Let’s finally solve this…WHO REALLY PAVED THE WAY? (PSY, BTS, BLACKPINK?)
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2023
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I was not into kpop at all until BTS. I only knew Kdrama. And I'm sure there are many more like me. There is something about them that sets them apart. And I'm pretty much a fan for life.
2020 when the song ‘Butter’ blew up. Started things for a lot of people.
me too
sameeee!!!
Most people did. But somehow they don't wanna admit it after they start liking other groups
@@blueroses4373Then wouldn't that mean the Kdrama, and Kdrama osts, paved the way to kpop?
I don't know what's hard understanding this. It's not like we are saying "BTS invented kpop. BTS invented violin. BTS invented how to rap" or something like that 😭We just want to say that bts put kpop in map and they should get appreciated for it. That's it
imo people forget what 'paving the way' means. Someone paves the way for those who come AFTER them. If it wasn't for k-pop, bts would have never been formed. But it was thanks for their twitter and youtube presence that they were first invited to american award shows. After they won best social artist a lot of other popular groups opened their twitter pages. It was after bts that all those award shows and charts created special categories just for k-pop. Bts had an impact and they weren't considered a 'one hit wonder' just like PSY was and still is. And even in Korea, before BTS only artists from big3 were given all major awards like album/artist of the year.
@majag5117 100 percent agree with you. Bts obviously didn't invented kpop. But bts did put kpop into map of music industry. That's the only point we want to prove. I think many of the people doesn't agree with this argument because of jealousy or they are just plain ignorant.
@@koolvein_klein exactly, i'm with you. if anyone wants to give credit to those who came before and really invented something, it'll definitely be japanese idol system that inspired kpop style idol training, seo taiji and the boys as the first idol group and most importantly american pop, but especially black music and genres like hip-hop and r&b.
@majag5117 seo taji were heavily influenced by American pop culture and rather to say that Korean Rap and R and B were basically influenced by black culture. And by that mindset we should give credit to person who invented music which is basically no one 🤦♀️
They don't
the only thing it created are more stereotypes, basically for the west, every Asian group is bts and if you think they put kpop on the map when there were groups like TVXQ, Wonder girl, snsd, exo, etc, how sad
Not only that, but ignoring the ENTIRE EAST to place the West as superior is simply pathetic
The people who came before BTS, came before BTS. They didn’t “break through” anything.
Let me say this. The sentence "BTS paved the way" is a FACT. I don't care who you stan you can't deny the facts. I don't stan BTS but I have no problem admitting the fact that they are the only reason I even know my favs. Literally if I haven't heard about BTS and looked into kpop because of them I wouldn't even know my favs (Dreamcatcher) exist. I don't stan BTS and their music is not my cup of tea but I am grateful to BTS because they are the reason I found out about Dreamcatcher. I am grateful to BTS because they are the reason west accepted kpop including Dreamcatcher. All Insomnias know that without western audience Dreamcatcher would have disbanded long ago because unfortunately Korea didn't want to accept them. This is not me saying that all the kpop groups have it easy now because of BTS. All our idols work VERY VERY VERYYY hard but the fact is they would have had to work harder if BTS didn't pave the way. And to all of the delusional blinks: if you the title "paved the way" is needed for you to enjoy your fav group then I don't think you love your group at all. If you really loved BLACKPINK you would love them even without the "paved the way" title. I love my favs even thought they are nowhere near as popular as BTS or BLACKPINK. Numbers and titles don't change my love for Dreamcatcher AT ALL and that is why I have no problem with the fact that BTS PAVED THE WAY.
It's so cool you are confident about who stan.
@@yashminjamal9794 Thank you! I mean only confident people have no problem addmiting that somebody is more popular or even more talented than their favs 🤷♀️
Donald Trump thought it was North Korea.
@@jameshenrysmith7385 really? Hahahha
But if you had K-pop meaning South Korean pop music, then you'd have to deal with North Korea.
ngl, I just know that the k-pop industry/kpoppies are shaking in fear after hearing that BTS renewed their contract with BH/HYBE for 2025. It shows that BTS has a huge impact or influence in the k-pop world and the fact that BTS came from a small company that isn’t part of the Big Three. They work hard just to get where they are today and despite all of the hates/hardships, they never give up. Just like yoongi said, “There’s no going to be next BTS” That’s true, no other group will ever meet the same standards as BTS. They should also follow in their own footsteps/goals meet their own achievement, and create music in an honest way.
“BTS paved the way, that’s funny, but true, facts are facts”- Namjoon
"“There’s no going to be next BTS” That’s true, no other group will ever meet the same standards as BTS." I doubt that highly.
But if you had K-pop meaning South Korean pop music, then you'd have to deal with North Korea.
U atte
lmfaoo i loved the "who invented music" part of the video like if ppl think that we should "thank" 2nd gen for somehow paving the way for bts then we should in turn thank the creators of music itself with that type of mindset 💀
Donald Trump thought it was North Korea.
But if you had K-pop meaning South Korean pop music, then you'd have to deal with North Korea.
@@jameshenrysmith7385Bitxh stfu u engagement obsessed whxre waiting for daddy zionist to pay for ur drugs this week.
BP just keep doing outraging things to get engagement and that just says enough about them and thier confidence.
😂
That's delusion not confidence 😂
have you listened to their songs??!
@@fairiesarefairwell blackpink can sing and doesn't manipulate billboard like the other 7 girls
@@fairiesarefair have you listened to solo,gone,on the ground,hard to love,the happiest girl,tally,typa girl,hope not,you never know,love to hate me,lovesick girls,preety savage and shut down.etc..does these songs not tell you about blackpink ,their confidence and their personality??..
100% agree with everything you said.
Being the first doesn't mean crap if you don't stick around..that's the BIG difference:
You can be the first to do something and then do nothing else worth while....Bts got on the BBhot100 and didn't go away they stuck around despite the hate from Kpop companies(i AM looking at you SM)and western companies who tried to hold them down.
BTS paved a path for all Kpop groups to walk on without having to endure the hatred BTS had to endure,the weird comments about their style,questions in interviews and so on,and the outright Xenophobia aimed at them.
BTS did what no other kpop group did sustained the popularity and in fact grew the popularity 100 times over...not just flash in the plan memes.
They also went to number 1 with a Korean song Life Goes On(first time an Asian act since 1962 Sukiaki(sp?))others just followed the path BTS laid to debut in lower numbers(still fantastic..but not paving anything)
BTS became the first Korean artist to win a mainstream American Award-yes the "Paper Award 2017" Funny How 90% of Groups joined Twitter the days after that award...hmmmm
There is No New BTS...no Next Bts...There is NO Paved Their Own Way
I truly believe the only Kpop group capable of being on top Is SVT-Because they are like BTS to some degree-endured scorn and ridicule from big companies, for being from a small company, self produce and write All their own music....and are genuinely Talented and good men...plus they Don't call themselves the Next BTS and claim anything and respect their elders.
"BTS paved a path for all Kpop groups to walk on without having to endure the hatred BTS had to endure,the weird comments about their style,questions in interviews and so on,and the outright Xenophobia aimed at them." Did that even happen at all?
",the weird comments about their style,questions in interviews and so on,and the outright Xenophobia aimed at them." Wouldn't it be about Martin Luther King Jr. then?
But if you had K-pop meaning South Korean pop music, then you'd have to deal with North Korea.
You can not say being first to do something means nothing. But then continue to tell us what BTS did first. That’s being a hypocrite. You don’t need to be the most known or the most popular group or have the most fans to paved the way. Because that’s not what that means. You can be a nobody and still paved the way for something to become successful. Because if that’s the logic. Think as BTS as Drake. And then thick as 2nd gen as Eminem, NAS, lil Wanye, 2Pac, Biggie and Jay Z. Drake has more fans. He is more known. He has more records. Drake has more awards. All of these, he has more than those OG rappers. But do we say Drake paved the way of Rap? Lol no. That goes the same with BTS and 2nd gen. Paved the way means to make it easier for someone. Not winning awards and records. BTS only paved the way for the groups from Hybe and the groups they interact let’s be honest. For 2nd gen, they literally helped everyone. Bigbang broke the barrier to have kpop collaborate with westerns. Bigbang created the lightsticks, started fan meetings and the colorful hair trend where every kpop group got inspired from that, and use those same ideas to help their own group to success. Bigbang made Rap popular in kpop, and other groups got inspired from it. And decided to put more rappers in their own groups. And kpop wasn’t a huge fan of rap back then. Bigbang inspired many groups and paved the way for other groups to have their own solos, and still be together as a group. I bet you that every kpop group. Non popular kpop groups, have atleast one of the ideas that bigbang has created right now. The ideas that BTS has, only Hybe and the groups they interact only has it. And that’s why 2nd gen paved the way.
@@peterthao17 Big Bang paved nothing but Scandals and being known as problematic...No one outside Korea knows Big bang if you ask anyone you know big bang they will say-The show with Sheldon?
sure BB had the first lightstick they also had the first big scandal....
name 1 2nd gen group to dominate on BB hot 100?
name one 2nd generation group invited to perform on USA awards shows?
2nd gen didnt do shit for Kpop.
BB also didn't make rap popular,khiphop has always been popular...no 1 group did that,
honestly BB is known for the sex scandal and being mega problematic...how many grammy nominations they got?
I am late but totally agree!!! Saying BTS paved the way isn't meaning that 1st or 2nd gen didn't as well
people are not realising how k-pop hype is dying without BTS, Nothing is charting like Boy With Luv, Dynamite, Butter & Permission to dance. (accept Cupid)
Blackpink paved the way for kpop globally
@@ghst4487😂😂lol even I also know BP didn't paved the way for kpop.
Bts already made kpop famous in western market before BP debut...
@@ghst4487 no.
BTS is the reason I got into k-pop, k-pop is the reason why I chose to be Army only. Simple and precise
You but not others.
@@jameshenrysmith7385 so we care about other 😂
Apparently it's BTS.
Thank you so much for this video! I fully agree with you - for those ARMYs who keep saying that 'only BTS has paved the way' is ignorant and dismissive of everyone who has come before them, giving them the chance to break into the Western market at the right time. And for Blinks who go out of their way to say BP paved the way is just.... beyond my comprehension at times. But no hate at all to any of the groups - they are all creating art and that's the only important thing we should focus on here -- and ENJOYING their art.
But if you had K-pop meaning South Korean pop music, then you'd have to deal with North Korea.
It's BTS. 😊
8:57 no but this was the reason why i didn’t stan bts early even though I've known them since the beginning i only talked about me liking kdrama since 2009. It was already hard talking about liking one direction and Justin Bieber... as a teenager let alone kpop???? They used to call us crazy and delulu little girls. And yes its kinda psy's fault because everyone thought that psy songs = stereotypes kpop = memes so ppl didn't even put the effort to search and understand what is the meaning of those songs until BTS came...
Idk if it’s psy’s fault, it’s people being prejudiced and thinking an entire industry makes the same type of music
@@Sonyeonstan naah I know it's not psy's fault of course it's not psy fault I love him
@@Sonyeonstan I used to think kpop songs are childish like songs but after I heard BWL, it changed my view of kpop
Even tho Im not an army anymore but I can't deny the fact that bts paved the way!
But I can though.
@@jameshenrysmith7385use your brain u thought u atte didn't u
@@jameshenrysmith7385do we care ...BTS paved the way
@@Kmeel11no they didn't paved the way
@@ghst4487 yes they did
Bts paved the way
Now cry somewhere else
BTS have entered the charts on a global scale and have maintained that presence consistently since 2017 to now 2023 their influence has been wide-ranging and undeniable
So have a lot of other music artists.
But if you had K-pop meaning South Korean pop music, then you'd have to deal with North Korea.
Idk why its so hard to accept 😭😭. Like skz,txt etf winning vma or going to other shows was clearly because of their own achievements in the year(even tho bts made kpop relevant that way) but they didnt win because of bts. Thats true. However kpoppies be discrediting BTS 's grammy nominations and then celebrating their favs being nominated for other american shows. Lile the hypocrisy is almost laughable. If they make english songs, its seeking validation. Then what about others trying to follow their footsteps?? Them making english songs?!? Them going to american shows??
Ppl think that because one made it into the American mainstream that they've accomplished it all because it's the biggest entertainment industry but u need to be able to also break into other continents if not several countries u shouldn't just be popular in your home country and one or two others but also be seen as competition GLOBALLY like BTS even chart higher and make more noise in south Africa than actual south African artists and gave room for our radio stations to actually talk about kpop and how it's come about because BTS were able to open several doors for the kpop industry internationally not just in the American mainstream
"gave room for our radio stations to actually talk about kpop and how it's come about" They could before. I did.
I'm a fan since 2014 I'm not much active for past 2 years so idk what happened now but honestly its tiring how Bts seems to never be appreciated for their efforts. Nobody seems to care that bts stick with their goal to share their music with the world. They succeed because they had that will to be something(despite the hardships, i would like people to acknowledge few of their hardships that they had around 2018-2019 many groups would have left the path in the middle).
Why did wonder girl, bigbang or others didn't tried after failing? Because they gave up instantly.
No shade but those group went all out and then gave up. Sm did it even in 2020 for superM. Again going all out and then giving up all together.
Because that was the strategy before.
Bts tried to catch whatever opportunity they could get. Also people easily seems to look past the treatment bts got from kpop industry back in the days. Maybe they don't know what big3 was treated before and how the industry swing on their tails back then
You don't see that much now a days because the industry shifted alot quickly.
Truth speaks itself, people can play blind but there are many thing that bts should get acknowledge for but if i speak, jealousy can only bring up previous gen. and dynamite being a luck as a counter argument.
If you look at bts success they went slowly but steadily. But they never had down array in their career. Every year they grew in popularly. That's not what you call a luck. Haters like to pretend that only dynamite made bts.
Sometimes being in a kpop community is very hard and can be very depressing. Because there is a lot of negativity here that comes from either simple hurting others feeling or pure jealously. But the world does not care about any of that.
Bts is seems by alot of people, people knows their impact despite not knowing them. If someone don't wants to acknowledge let them be, down the road bts will always be the group who broke barriers and made kpop a global sensations. Not someone before, after or with them.
"Also people easily seems to look past the treatment bts got from kpop industry back in the days. Maybe they don't know what big3 was treated before and how the industry swing on their tails back then" Then why would we not think there are things we don't know about the past of music either?
@@jameshenrysmith7385 ??
Only BTS PAVED THE WAY💜
Totally agree! And this is coming from someone who wouldn't have known that K-pop existed if it wasn't for Psy and Blackpink.
Kpop can exist without bp.. When bp was on rest for 2 Yr .kpop was running very well..
And fact is that bts paved the way for kpop.. Iam not army but I know the fact..
@@RoseannequeenSTAN I don't think you understood what I meant. I said that I agree with the fact that BTS paved the way even though I learned about Kpop through BLACKPINK.
EVEN THOUGH I was a blink first I can still see that BTS paved the way :)
what/how exactly bts benefited from 1st or 2nd gen ? yes bts could happen bc of kpop idol system but dats NOT a benefit.
Curt straight forward facts without any sugarcoating sabotaging or discrediting any other group or solo...I like u for this sis 🤝🏻🌸💜
Good video and very mature explanation…..I just want to add that groups before bts like exo/gg/bb may have entered western markets but K-pop has become world wide reaching every single country only bc of bts.I think the major reason for their undefeated success and making them a threat to other nation artists is the touching message,heartfelt lyrics,incredible stage performances and the way they respect their fans.A little serious one-as far as Ik groups before bts might have inspired bts to become musicians but no one really supported or respected them,they wrote that in their book how so many senior artists and junior artists from big companies used to look down upon them!
"Good video and very mature explanation…..I just want to add that groups before bts like exo/gg/bb may have entered western markets" Many musicians were in music markets before.
this was so well said!! great video!!
Bts are just bts, yes you have great groups that were listen to internationally before but you just can't compare, bts not only paved the way for kpop but they also brought so much attention to korean culture in general, I believe seo taiji, SNSD, Bigbang, 2ne1 and PSY all had their roles and made history in their own way, but bts was bigger in every way and most korean artist can agree with it, that does not mean that nowadays groups don't need to work to be successful but what it does mean is that before they didnt have such big audience to reach, it's like imagining a waiting line (to see a magic show) ,before bts there weren't many curious people but now there are thousands and they are there to see one specific magic (kpop) that wasn't known before (only by some individuals).
That being said the reason why I believe many people dont like admitting to it is bc:
* Let's be honesty bts we're hated and disliked for not being a proper kpop group since the beginning and now they literally surpassed any other group in the world, and that doesn't sit right with many kpopies.
* The fear that it would take away their faves achievements, I understand that one but paving the wah doesn't mean creating it or building it from scratch, it doesn't mean it's easy to be successful bc it isn't, it's still a long way to go through.
* Many armies use it to attack other artist or just use it in the wrong manner.
I am an army, the only thing I want is for kpopies to be able to recognize the unreal achievements bts made even with all the hate they received from this community, I always say kpop is not my community but army/bangtan is, bts had everything going wrong for them: Brooke company, different music style, little resources like vocal training, didn't fit in kpop standards and that's why many wanted them out.
Now this may sound arrogant but for me the stans that don't admit bts paved the way or the stans that have no respect for bts remind me of bratty children who aren't grateful for there parents, how can you attack bts and make rude comments about them in the VMAs when it's only bc of them that they have a kpop category in the first place? I'm not saying that others have not worked for their success, I'm talking about bangtan not your favs, but how come you don't see the impact bts made? They spreaded kpop all around the world, changing people's views on what a boyband is, the president named them "leaders of korean culture" for a reason, they are alongside Hyundai/samsung on helping koreas economy.
This is not a "YOUR FAVS DIDNT DO TAHT" this isn't about them, this is "BTS did that and they changed the industry bc of it"
So be humble and grateful, I know in kpop the last thing people are is grateful and humble but I'm also grateful for psy and for seo taiji, i can recognize their impact, but if you can recognize theirs but not BTSs then there is something wrong with you not them.
"but they also brought so much attention to korean culture in general," That doesn't even work!
@@jameshenrysmith7385 It does tho, if you don't believe me then believe their literal government and koreans themselves, the south korean president has made several claims in which he explicitly talks about how bts are the leaders of korean culture, bts has been spreading korean culture all over the world, not just because they sing in korean but because their music is full of traditional korean and elements and word play (baepsae,idol,hageum,
paldogansan,daechwita,ddaeng), as someone who is studying korean, if you go to ANY comment section under a korean lesson it is FILLED with people wanting to learn korean because of bts.
And I'm not just saying directly because of them but indirecly too like others aspects of the korea's entertainment industry like acting, were kdramas that acknowledged before the rise of kpop?? No they weren't, and by that I'm not saying that it's not the actors hard work or the production team but korean culture as in dramas, music and food were not half as known before the rise of bts, since before many couldn't even tell if bibimbap was korean or japanese, all I'm saying is even those who fell in love with kdrama or other aspects of korean culture that are not related to bts were introduced to them in the first place because they became relevant since they went on to have a bigger audience of people interested in other aspects of korean entertainment industry and that didn't happen with psy, it did with BTS.
BTS have contributed 5.56 trillion won per year, BTS is also attracting around 800,000 foreign tourists to Korea each year.
South Koreas economy is not only dependent on Samsung and Hyundai but also on hallyu (the korean wave) that has skyrocketed ever since bts became bts leaving some critics to call it a "bts economy" when only in 2019 performing 3 concerts bts had a total direct and indirect impact of around 923 billion South Korean won.
So don't come here acting like bts aren't the biggest reason korean culture is spread when even koreans (you can research) that don't even listen to their music have expressed gratitude.
@@yashminjamal9794 Donald Trump talked about North Korea and Kim Jong Un a lot.
@@jameshenrysmith7385 😂
Bts paved the way PERIOD some people gonna have to be honest to themselves and ACCEPT IT
Till the date no matter how many proofs will be shown kpoppies still gonna deny it bts paved the way even tho they know what the truth is lol
Anyway bts paved the way for kpop 🛐
Perfectly put! 👏👏
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As usual, you DELIVERED with this video. I love the way you present facts. Humour on point too. This needs so much more views!!
Girl thank sm for this like your my most favourite fucking army channal ever 😭🙏
Bp and their team knows what they’re doing with that pave the way line. They’re using noise and outrage marketing for engagement, which says a lot about their own confidence in their own music
Jisoo said I’m a recent article that the path they walked on was already paved, so they gave credit where it is due but they hope/know that Blackpink too is making that path smoother for those to come. Plus the girls are fed up with YG and are leaving most likely.
@@nataliemunoz3079. I think it’s media play and they r staying but idk
If they really cared about their fans’s worries and blinks being concerned of their disbandment and if they really wanted to be a group under a better label don’t you think they would have said no long ago and left? Why is yg saying negotiations are still happening for MONTHS?! The girls literally can get amazing opportunities but they decide to be stupid and talk with yg for months😐
Unless this is all forced on them, and that’s when we call the police😊
@@nataliemunoz3079. Rose and jennie wrote that song not jisoo….
And also Jisoo said it’s half and half so she means it was paved while they are paving, so yes she believes that line by jennie trust me.
Idc if she believes it though i mean they are a great group ❤but the part in the lyrics where they say: “if we left there’s nothing left, but the rest what a mess” meaning kpop is nothing but a mess without them and the rest are nothing but in reality bp leaves for two years everytime and kpop is still thriving more than ever✨
So yeah no hate to the girls, but their lyrics are a bit off
@@BTS_JUNGKOOK_97I never said Jisoo wrote the song, I just stated what Jisoo said in an interview when she was asked that question.
When idols are as delusional as their fans 💀
BTS paved the way 🛐🛐🛐
To be honest, I don't care if BTS paved the way or not, I just don't want the kpop hype to die, if BTS are the ones upholding it, I want them to make it even more popular & to never let kpop die
Maybe other artists hype already died and BTS are just the new ones.
FACTS FACTS AND ONLY FACTS
Road construction oppars paved the way. 👷⚒️
No matter how many times kpoppes deny the reality , no one can say kpop was global and widely recognised before BTS. I go as far as to bts put South korea on the global map. With BTS's blowup worldwide, the whole world came to know about south korea which was previously only known to few people and folks interested in geopolitics. BTS's impact is very very apparent with their economic boost, tourism boost. If their impact is not that big , tell me why every single kpop group is doing everything in their power to get a billboard entry even before atleast four South Koreans recognise them or their songs. They're the biggest history makers from South korea in history. Yes HISTORY! gi argue with the presidents before spewing bs about 2nd gen paving the way
"gi argue with the presidents before spewing bs about 2nd gen paving the way" Donald Trump says it was North Korea.
"gi argue with the presidents before spewing bs about 2nd gen paving the way" Donald Trump says it was rocketman Kim Jong Un.
@@jameshenrysmith7385 learn how to spell first
Tbh as an multi Stan since 2011 Ik bts paved the way for kpop😊 but I really don't think they paved the way for blackpink bcz bts won their first award at 2015 and their first hit was released in 2016 after blackpink's debut on the other hand blackpink debuted with hit songs like boombayah and whistle and they become first kpop group to won pak on their debut song and after they released one more hit song pfw which become popular in sk,japan,china and other countries tbh they grow an large fandom until 2018 and after that their biggest hit d4 was released which open doors for many western fans and I think they become popular bcz they're under yge not bcz of bts😅 and since their debut yg focused on western market more then Korean and they started to promoted brands I really don't think bts make it easy for those groups who debuted on 2013,2014,2015,2016,2017. And the main thing is both of group open doors for western fans and we can't forgot how much hate blackpink got in their debut era and bts too and stop hating blackpink bcz of the lyrics we don't even know if they really wrote it or not bcz we'll know yg and he didn't even credit blackpink that they wrote that song's lyrics and the biggest thing is that is an ost for game it's not even consider in song and bro the most important thing is without any comeback since 2 years both groups still charting and maintain their places at first at any platform (as gg and bg) the important thing is both groups didn't lose their hype after being 3rd gen groups bcz I see many 3rd gen groups who are popular in their era but now they didn't release any hit songs or people wasn't enjoying their songs on the other hand bts and blackpink still maintain their hype and ruling kpop industry that what's actually matter both groups are unique in their own way and I see them from nothing to everything(from their debut)so we should stop fighting❤ and let's support rm's new album. Even president mention bts and blackpink in his speech multiple times and bro they've 3,4 years gap on their debut so why comparing huh?
Thanks for that video, and good luck for anyone who hopes that kpop stans would forget about their hate boner against BTS.. Sadly I don't see that coming soon.
I would just like to add two little things :
1) About Psy : genuine question, do people actually even knew it was kpop at that time ? because where I live (France), most people didn't seem to know back in 2012. Sadly, most people were talking about "that chinese guy/song" and had no idea about something called "kpop" (and I still heard that about him even recently by the way u.u can we freaking stop with the "all asians are chinese ? T_T)
2) About BTS being "the blueprint" and other groups following their formula, I would say it's not just about going where they went (tv shows, awards...) BTS redefined kpop, so much of the content kpop stans enjoy today is actually thanks to BTS. You like watching the variety show your group has within their company and staff ? Thank you "RUN BTS". You love to interact so much with your kpop idols, seeing their logs/livestreams... ? Thank you BTS. You like watching all the behind the scenes content ? Thank you BTS. You love all these very impressive big performances with big sets and many dancers ? Thank you BTS. Even silly little stuff, like do you enjoy your annual halloween dance practices ? Thank you BTS... And I can go on...
So yeah, when people come with "Big Bang came with lighstick" so they paved the way or "Shinee came with dance practices so they paved the way".. Like said in this video, lot of people had influence on this industry (obviously) from the start to now, and others will have in the future.. But even on that point of view and not just about opening the door for the global market, BTS still had a huge impact so yeah, I don't get why it's so hard to accept that freacking sentence for so many kpop stans, when it isn't an insult to anyone, it doesn't mean that BTS are the best, it doesn't mean that no other group is successful etc...
"About Psy : genuine question, do people actually even knew it was kpop at that time ? because where I live (France), most people didn't seem to know back in 2012. Sadly, most people were talking about "that chinese guy/song" and had no idea about something called "kpop" (and I still heard that about him even recently by the way u.u can we freaking stop with the "all asians are chinese ? T_T)" Then doesn't that mean China paved the way for South Korea?
"About Psy : genuine question, do people actually even knew it was kpop at that time ? because where I live (France), most people didn't seem to know back in 2012. Sadly, most people were talking about "that chinese guy/song" and had no idea about something called "kpop" (and I still heard that about him even recently by the way u.u can we freaking stop with the "all asians are chinese ? T_T)" If South Korea was first wouldn't they assume he's South Korean not Chinese?
@@jameshenrysmith7385why are you commenting everywhere? are you okay…
Well said 🇧🇸💜
Really interesting question because music is inherently subjective, creative and multifaceted. Incoming rant, I have studied music all my life basically and all I can say is music is such a broad thing.
Like if you break it down into its base parts like melody, that's something that's been used not only in nature (like bird songs) but in ancient humans for verbal storytelling and communication. Even rhythm is the same, think about how many old cultural dances and traditions revolve around rhythm as a primary driver, rhythm is again something that occurs in nature and can even be likened to the idea of symmetry and patterns which are again, not human creations.
Basically I'm trying to say its so hard to define what music even is and in all honestly it didn't come from anywhere, no one invented it unless you count nature (or believe in a God I guess). It's something fundamentally ingrained into the world and our behaviours. Music is honestly incredibly primal. Its cool to think of how basically every culture, even though they were separated by oceans and land, each came up with some sort of musical tradition and identity.
It's hard to imagine looking at a tree and thinking to carve out a harp unless you believe music is something genuinely beyond words and logic (that was me trying to use a metaphor...). Humans grew to be so emotionally aware and intelligent that we needed a more expressive, universal and profound language, and that was music. In my admittedly biased opinion lol.
Basically, music is so beautiful why bother fighting over who gets credit for advancing a certain genre? You can admit BTS did a lot for Kpop in the western market but also realise they don't in any way define or take up the whole genre. Sorry for the exposition, I'm like 18 what do I know😅
Correction: Nobody said they define or ARE the whole genre. All we say is that BTS made it easier for k-pop to globalize, because of simply, their impact.
In fact, K-pop isn't a musical genre. It's an industry. You can't define this industry the way you define a genre. Take it from your own words, it's multifaceted. Combines multiple genres.
And this debate in itself has got nothing to do with music, but everything to do with impact of an act in popularizing this industry. The impact, the success. That's what everybody is discussing.
Not how multifaceted the music of k-pop is.
First!!
Why everyone keeps saying blackpink benefited off BTS. Blackpink and BTS both had chart debuts around the same time.. Blackpink never changed their musical formula for western validation if that’s what you wanna call it. Saying blackpink relied on BTS for their success is an insult when that’s definitely not the case. And saying blackpink paved their way they did. Every artist can pave their own path and not follow the same path as certain artists….
Tbh as an multi Stan since 2011 Ik bts paved the way for kpop😊 but I really don't think they paved the way for blackpink bcz bts won their first award at 2015 and their first hit was released in 2016 after blackpink's debut on the other hand blackpink debuted with hit songs like boombayah and whistle and they become first kpop group to won pak on their debut song and after they released one more hit song pfw which become popular in sk,japan,china and other countries tbh they grow an large fandom until 2018 and after that their biggest hit d4 was released which open doors for many western fans and I think they become popular bcz they're under yge not bcz of bts😅 and since their debut yg focused on western market more then Korean and they started to promoted brands I really don't think bts make it easy for those groups who debuted on 2013,2014,2015,2016,2017. And the main thing is both of group open doors for western fans and we can't forgot how much hate blackpink got in their debut era and bts too and stop hating blackpink bcz of the lyrics we don't even know if they really wrote it or not bcz we'll know yg and he didn't even credit blackpink that they wrote that song's lyrics and the biggest thing is that is an ost for game it's not even consider in song and bro the most important thing is without any comeback since 2 years both groups still charting and maintain their places at first at any platform (as gg and bg) the important thing is both groups didn't lose their hype after being 3rd gen groups bcz I see many 3rd gen groups who are popular in their era but now they didn't release any hit songs or people wasn't enjoying their songs on the other hand bts and blackpink still maintain their hype and ruling kpop industry that what's actually matter both groups are unique in their own way and I see them from nothing to everything(from their debut)so we should stop fighting❤ and let's support rm's new album. Even president mention bts and blackpink in his speech multiple times and bro they've 3,4 years gap on their debut so why comparing huh.
If blackpink members weren't as good looking as they are, they'd have flopped by now. People only watch their content for visuals lmao. That explains why they're the only group with such a contrasting difference between their youtube views and their spotify streams.
"they'd flop by now" but let's all be realistic, BLACKPINK is nowhere near flopping, that's why they were one of the most impactful and successful groups in 2023
As much as i dont like bp i dont think people watch them for visuals. Lets be honest even bts have some visuals stans who only enetered the fandom for Taehyung. I think the main reason why blackpink is so big and how bts affected it is probably thay, after bts got huge, western audience immediatly searched for "Biggest Girl group" after "Biggest boy band" which was obviously blackpink. They were insanely famous already because of the company they debuted. They already gained 2M followers on instagram when they debuted in just two years with around only 4 songs..so rather than visuals i will give credit to there company
all thanks to papa YG for using payola media pla... you are right tho but if they weren't from yg they would've been a mediocre hyped grp :) it's actually all about the company
Tell that to the 2billion ppl who watch their videos and to their 96m subscribers in yut
@@Xinyuslover2 billion views? It's blinks streaming them.
FINALLY! I'm tierd of people getting pissed whenever someone uses the phrase 'paved the way.' 'paved the way' doesn't mean every 4th/5th gen group owes their success to bts, but you can't deny that bts did make it much easier for newer groups to have larger WESTERN fanbases.
"you can't deny" If you're mind is already made up, why would anyone believe you?
Which “way”. The answer is different depending on your answer to that question.
BTS definitely paved the way in many aspects but they are not the blueprint like you said at the start. If any group was the blueprint it would be a group like tvxq or super junior
Everyone follows bts, they are the blueprint
Wouldn't it be the osmonds or the spice girls or nsync or backstreet boys just as much or as well or even more so?
The Beatles and Rolling Stones are rock music.
tbh, bts didnt pave ALL the way as in like they were not the first ones to throw kpop into the world--i think we should give the credit to the kpop groups in the 1st and 2nd generation that paved part of the way. bts is continuing by pulling kpop more into the award shows internationally, them being the first group to perform in many international award shows such as grammys. in my opinion, the only two kpop acts i consider paved the way that i know of is psy and bts.
but...(completely irrelevant to this video and everything else) I SHOULD HAVE BEEN INTO KPOP LIKE EARLIER 🙂
💀 sweetheart which 2nd generation was popular in the west and internationally and made kpop known before bts? 😐
in my opinion: 1st and 2nd generation “paved the way” nationally for bts to pave the way for other groups internationally
@@ilove.chahat ikr, like known KNOWN not known by some peopl, known by many people, these people still undermine bts success
@@yashminjamal9794some people are so delusional, why is it so hard to accept bts paved the way? How's debuting paving the way?
" them being the first group to perform in many international award shows such as grammys." That's not true.
Yeah, but it get annoying when certain armies wanna put it in everyones face
It's funny, I used to be a supa toxic blink, but the ones who get me to know bp were BTS and I was an army before becoming a blink, I mean I am in kpop since SNSD and Suju, but who made me become a fan of BP were BTS, and now I don't take it that serious because I think I'm grateful with them by introducing me to my girls, I like both groups and of course I know who has more impact and I don't think it's that bad to accept that BTS busted kpop music all over the world, it's like don't wanting to accept the impact of artists like Michael Jackson or Freddy Mercury, it isn't that bad.
Don't compare Michael Jackson to that bts thingy
I heard BTS have the rights of color called purple and a number 7.
I can’t imagine that’s true
AS A BLINK .I agree that BTS PAVED THE WAY ,blackpink also have helped popularize kpop more ..but the thing is toxic armys and blinks try to discredit others and believe only their favs are superior
But if you had K-pop meaning South Korean pop music, then you'd have to deal with North Korea.
Bts paved the way, but you cant deny that Psy also popularized kpop internationally too. Also, I personally know and understand and appreciate that Bts paved the way. But sometimes, you guys dont always have to mention it. Like when Lisa got a Vma, she got hate and armys were saying "bts paved the way, she is successful bc of bts". Yes, i agree. But, Lisa worked hard for her solo songs. Giving all the credit to Bts, is just unfair to all the sacrifices it took for a group to have a comeback. ❤
Donald Trump thought it was North Korea.
to all the people saying " Blackpink thinks they paved the way ", yes Jennie and Rose contributed to the writing for their song ' The Girls ' doesn't necessarily mean the wrote the controversial rap verse. furthermore, when Jisoo was asked if Blackpink paved the way in an interview, she replied that she believes they followed the path set by others. as a multi-stan of many groups, i think it's vague to say only one group paved the way. i think multiple groups did but some groups just had more impact. i think BTS had the most impact but i'm tired of seeing all the videos and comments saying that Blackpink aren't humble and shit.
The thing is that no one knows who wrote that line. It could be Jen or Rose but it could also be someone else. But I feel like they couldve cancelled that line but they didnt and just went with it. Im sure they are mature enough to make their own decisions and probably had some control over the lines they are gonna sing. Idk if u know or not but in a James Corden interview with bp, he said that bp is the first korean artist to reach the US album chart when infact it was bts and there is no way in hell bp didnt know that so it just gave many armys the impression that they are cocky and not humble.
@@boraz_zilation bruh u can't expect them to know every single detail about BTS' career. even i didn't know they achieved that despite following them for years.
@@boraz_zilation literally why would they even know that? As an ARMY I didn't know that myself, you can't expect BP to know about that, It was Corden's fault for not making sure or whoever wrote his script, it's their fault
Can't we just say psy,bp and bts all together paved the way
I guess those armies wouldn't let anyone say these
we could if blonks and kpoppies in general didn't take every chance they got to discredit bts.
No bp didn't paved the way...bts made kpop popular in western countries before BP debut... ❤
@@Sonyeonstan yall discredit bp and psy instead
@@RoseannequeenSTAN BTS was popular in 2018 in the western countries not in 2016 , and 2018 the same year in which dududu was going popular all over the world
Finally like why does these stupid people think that who came first in kpop was the one who pavedbthe way like they don't even know what paving the way means. As much as i love psy and his songs i do know that gangnam style didn't benefit kpop one bit cause for the western industry it was just a one time thing and then after some years everything went back to normal so yah even people didn't knew psy was a korean so that's my thought on him and bp hmm🗿what did they even do for kpop like all they did was bring fashion or maybe make it popular cause fashion was still in the kpop industry before they came. And being fashion icons is nothing related to the music industry so it ends there. While BTS did it truly like they set their foot in the western industry with their korean roots till this day they still have korean eongs only while under 8 songs are in English. I am not gonna go in details so bye bye
Big Bang Paved The Way!
someone missed the whole point of the video. ur just proving our point, u kpoppies will continue to say others paved the way when u know deep down bts paved. im so tired of people being unable to acknowledge the achievements bts has actually achieved.
@@tx_7892 Achievement Ain't Paving The Way Kid, Is Something You Did For The Industry To Grow And Allow Others To Walk Easier
@@tx_7892 Achievement Ain't Paving The Way Kid, Is Something You Did For The Industry To Grow And Allow Others To Walk Easier
Blackpink paved their way ok ❤❤❤❤
Delusional, just like your favs.
@SevenSerenades someone missed the whole point of the vid. Bts doesn't approve of hate yet here u are...
Blackpink paved the way for me and my frnds to be in kpop
You’re a Kpop idol? Probs not..that’s not what paving means.
Basically this video is about her opinion on why she thinks BTS paved the way. She left tons of important information for other groups. Which is kinda weird if she was trying to make things fair. BTS made some huge impacts but personally I think 2nd gen paved the way. Yes, they aren’t as big as groups now. But let’s remember that back then was a really different time period. And yes they didn’t last long bc most of them stop making music. But they left a mark and created a path where other groups can walk on. Not to drive others there. 2nd gen already got kpop internationally. That’s why groups such as BTS and Blackpink was able to get to westerns. You explain why BTS paved the way, but the groups you mention are the groups from Hype. And you act like it was more important then 2nd gen doing the same to BTS and Blackpink. Two groups that became the best groups of kpop. And breaking barriers such as getting to westerns first is way more important then just breaking records and getting awards. Worth more then anything. 2nd gen may never reached the level of international success by BTS' standards, but they have opened the doors for SK ent industry to grow beyond their country. This is not to say BTS don't have their uniqueness that brought waves of people. But paving the way does mean, make things easier for others. And that’s what 2nd gen did by opening the doors. The best accomplishment in kpop history.🤷🏻♂️
But the thing is with that “paving the way” includes making it easier for others. Even though the 2nd groups did do some shows here n there in america but that doesn’t mean they necessarily paved the way. Kpop was barely known back then, it still had that stereotype. People weren’t taking kpop seriously until BTS came along. BTS made an kpop category there. For kpop to get into the american mainstream media, it is a long way to go and the 2nd gen wasn’t able to accomplish that whereas BTS did. Making it globally means a lot of countries acknowledged you and your music which BTS has actually accomplished, having fans from all over the world. Saying that 2nd gen idols paved the way is just silly imo, with all due respect BTS definitely paved the way.
@@tx_7892 paved the way doesn’t mean the most known or the biggest group or the most records. You can be a nobody and paved the way for someone to be the best at something. Paved the way such as breaking barriers. BigBang broke the barrier to collaborate with westerns. Breaking the Barrier to have kpop idols collaborating with western artiest. They inspired many kpop groups to use lightsticks and they started the colorful hair trend where all kpop idols are literally doing. Paving ideas for other groups to use the same idea to become successful as well. Bigbang also started fan meetings where now all kpop groups are starting to do. Also kpop weren’t really into using rap in their groups. Until Bigbang broke the barrier to have two rappers in one group. Yeah they might not be big. But you don’t need to big and known to paved the way. Because If that’s the logic. See BTS as Drake. And then see 2nd gen as Eminem, Biggie, Tau PAC and NAS. Drake is more popular and have broken more records than those OG rappers. But do we say Drake paved the way for Rap? Lol no. That goes the same with BTS and 2nd gen. BTS only paved the way for the groups in Hybe and the groups they interact. For example Blackpink didn’t go big because of BTS. But for Bigbang, they started things where the whole industry is literally using the same ideas they created. And those ideas help other groups to become successful for their own. If you search up a random kpop group that isn’t popular. All of them have something that Bigbang has created. You don’t see a lot of non popular kpop groups that has something that BTS created.
@@tx_7892 You don’t need to be the most known or the most popular group or have the most fans to paved the way. Because that’s not what that means. You can be a nobody and still paved the way for something to become successful. Because if that’s the logic. Think as BTS as Drake. And then thick as 2nd gen as Eminem, NAS, lil Wanye, 2Pac, Biggie and Jay Z. Drake has more fans. He is more known. He has more records. Drake has more awards. All of these, he has more than those OG rappers. But do we say Drake paved the way of Rap? Lol no. That goes the same with BTS and 2nd gen. And Like you said, Paved the way means to make it easier for someone. BTS only paved the way for the groups from Hybe and the groups they interact let’s be honest. For 2nd gen, they literally helped everyone. Bigbang broke the barrier to have kpop collaborate with westerns. Bigbang created the lightsticks, started fan meetings and the colorful hair trend where every kpop group got inspired from that, and use those same ideas to help their own group to success. Bigbang made Rap popular in kpop, and other groups got inspired from it and decided to put more rappers in their own groups. And kpop wasn’t a huge fan of rap back then. Bigbang inspired many groups and paved the way for other groups to have their own solos, and still be together as a group. I bet you that every kpop group have atleast one of the ideas that bigbang has created right now. The ideas that BTS has. Only Hybe and the groups they interact only has it.
@@peterthao17 that comparison is stupid cause western artists are way different. 2nd gen groups may have been some help towards it but the whole idea of paving the way is making it easier for others. kpop back then was still so different and it was still seen as niche. Plenty of 2nd idols struggled breaking that stereotype in other countries and they tried their hardest yet couldn’t succeed. But bts on the other hand, they actually broke that stereotype. Bts of course dealt with a lot during their first red carpet in america and they weren’t taken seriously but bts tried nonetheless and they knew how to actually do well in western countries which added to their major success globally. I’m not saying bts paved the way only due to their large success but to what they’ve actually accomplished as a whole. Even some 2nd idols agreed that it was so difficult back then in america but bts was the only group who made kpop seem less niche and more of an actual music industry filled with talent. you saying bb creating lightsticks and such made an impact but imo it didn’t. Of course thanks to them, plenty of groups now have light sticks but that doesn’t mean they paved the way. Imma say it again, 2nd gen idols didnt pave the way just cause they created some new things or they made it through to america.
@@tx_7892 it’s not a stupid comparison. Literally it applies to everything and every aspect. Many of you think it’s BTS because of Musically. And yes 2nd gen had it difficult because social media wasn’t a trend back then But that doesn’t mean they weren’t the ones breaking barriers. Now it might not seem much, but back then it was consider crazy. For example, Anime. Anime was global too back then. but back then nobody really knew about it. People made fun of other people for liking Anime. Until TikTok. And look, now everyone is watching Anime because of Demon Slayer, Attack of Titans, My Hero, Naruto, One Piece and other anime shows. But we don’t say it was them that paved the way of Anime. They say Dragon ball, Salor Moon and other OG anime that paved the way because it inspired many anime’s the most. Paved the way doesn’t mean who accomplish more in kpop. It’s more about Idols on who got them inspired from. And 2nd gen Bigbang literally inspired the whole industry. By the style of Music. Style of clothing. Being able to do solo projects and still being in a group. Collaboration with westerns. Colorful hair trend. Lightsticks. Every kpop group has that now. But for BTS. They did help get Kpop more known. But it was more towards for their own company and the people they interact with. There’s a lot of kpop groups in the industry and tons of people don’t really know other groups besides the groups who are in the big 4 entertainment. And the kpop groups who aren’t in the big 4 entertainment. They all have trends and done things that 2nd gen Bigbang created.
Nayeon is the oldest member of Twice but still acts childish, cringe as if she is maknae just to get attention from mans