Just wanted to day THANK YOU, Marcus! Aeration was the one thing I could not get right with my aquaponic system. I have a gravity fed growbed with a raised fish tank, so I only needed one 4 Watt pump in a sump to raise the water back up to the fish tank. I hated the idea of a separate air pump to aerate the fish tank. Spray bars on the return hose just weren't cutting it. I built a hydrocyclone out of a 5 gal bucket today and could not stop smiling as I watched the tiny bubbles rising!
This looks very interesting, but I wonder how long you have been running it and if you see its performance change over time. One thing I see in my system is that flow rates change as screens become clogged on pumps or pipes become bio fouled in the system. It seems that a flow rate reduction or change would be catastrophic to this system as the system either overflowed from a reduced outflow rate or stopped cycloning from a reduced inflow rate. How long have you been running this system? Have you encountered any changes in efficiency or problems due to changes in flow rate? Are you finding this setup requires much maintenance to run optimally?
+David Robinson just as a thought.. one could have two buckets.. the primary bucket could have a hole in the top with a lead pipe at a downward sloping angle feeding the second smaller bucket. so you could over feed the fist bucket which would hold the venturi and as the water level rises too high the overflow could be diverted to the second bucket also creating a venturi.. as the system clogs the pressure would drop and would nolonger overflow to the second bucket. of course if you had a realy good pump you could just keep adding buckets rather than restricting the flow to the first bucket,, which would take pressure off your pump and allow for optimum use of the energy the pump is consuming.
Thanks for the vid! I was wondering how does the width and/or height of the container affect aeration and water flow? Do you think modifications to the insides of the container and/or the exit can help increase the rotational speed or aeration? As for power generation, I highly recommend Victor Schauberger's work for reference. I believe he was onto really on to something with vortexes.
I'm planning on building an aquaponics system in August at my home here in California, and will incorporate your hydrocyclone as my source for dissolved oxygen. I'm starting with a 275 gallon IBC tote. What do you recommend for a barrel size for the hydrocyclone? Also, we'll be visiting Kauai in late August. Do you have any contacts there that are doing aquaponics that we could visit with? Thanks again, look forward to hearing from you soon. Bob
I love that you have a video about this. I just started looking into the water wizard himself, Viktor Schauberger, and I'm very curious about how much dissolved oxygen you get out of this system. Do you have any comparative numbers or tests where you measure this? How long does the oxygen stay in the system and how far will it travel? For example, if I didn't have this vortex falling directly into my fish tank, but rather into my sump which was then pumped into the fish tank, would it retain the dissolved oxygen?
I have been experimenting with this in my small system and have not seen much air get pulled yet. I am using a regular 5 gal Home Depot bucket with a 1" hole at the bottom. My next experiment is to reduce the size of the hole to see if the vortex makes it to the bottom. Question is.... is my 5 gallon size a dealbreaker from the outset? If size does not matter, I may consider smaller vortex aerators placed strategically among my rafts. Thanks for any help you all can offer.
This is amazing, and the stream side demo even more so. I'm new designing my first set up, if I get it right I'm telling my cousin in Hilo to start her own system on her farm [ette]. I am fascinated by the power harnessed in the drum and wht shape rotor would ride the wacky tsunami wave in there.
Can this concept be used to separate particulate matter from water? It's already used for air filtration but I'm having difficulty finding proof of its efficacy with water
This is unreal. Hard to believe that that much oxygen is entering the water through such as simple setup. Wonder what I would need for a 25,000 gallon setup?
wouldn't you get more surface area by showering it over a larger area like a 2 metre surface area shower head with thousands of holes over the top of the tank defusing more oxygen into the water ?
yeah it shouldn't, if the outflow matches the inflow the vortex can't reach that size. if the out flow is less and the vortex can build size it just overflows.
Just wanted to day THANK YOU, Marcus! Aeration was the one thing I could not get right with my aquaponic system. I have a gravity fed growbed with a raised fish tank, so I only needed one 4 Watt pump in a sump to raise the water back up to the fish tank. I hated the idea of a separate air pump to aerate the fish tank. Spray bars on the return hose just weren't cutting it. I built a hydrocyclone out of a 5 gal bucket today and could not stop smiling as I watched the tiny bubbles rising!
This not only looks good for mini-hydro, but also as a way to get air into a Trompe.
This looks very interesting, but I wonder how long you have been running it and if you see its performance change over time. One thing I see in my system is that flow rates change as screens become clogged on pumps or pipes become bio fouled in the system. It seems that a flow rate reduction or change would be catastrophic to this system as the system either overflowed from a reduced outflow rate or stopped cycloning from a reduced inflow rate. How long have you been running this system? Have you encountered any changes in efficiency or problems due to changes in flow rate? Are you finding this setup requires much maintenance to run optimally?
+David Robinson just as a thought.. one could have two buckets.. the primary bucket could have a hole in the top with a lead pipe at a downward sloping angle feeding the second smaller bucket. so you could over feed the fist bucket which would hold the venturi and as the water level rises too high the overflow could be diverted to the second bucket also creating a venturi.. as the system clogs the pressure would drop and would nolonger overflow to the second bucket. of course if you had a realy good pump you could just keep adding buckets rather than restricting the flow to the first bucket,, which would take pressure off your pump and allow for optimum use of the energy the pump is consuming.
LOL... had to laugh when you said "There's a bucket - with a hole in it. It's that simple."
Thanks for the vid! I was wondering how does the width and/or height of the container affect aeration and water flow? Do you think modifications to the insides of the container and/or the exit can help increase the rotational speed or aeration? As for power generation, I highly recommend Victor Schauberger's work for reference. I believe he was onto really on to something with vortexes.
I'm planning on building an aquaponics system in August at my home here in California, and will incorporate your hydrocyclone as my source for dissolved oxygen. I'm starting with a 275 gallon IBC tote. What do you recommend for a barrel size for the hydrocyclone? Also, we'll be visiting Kauai in late August. Do you have any contacts there that are doing aquaponics that we could visit with? Thanks again, look forward to hearing from you soon. Bob
I love that you have a video about this. I just started looking into the water wizard himself, Viktor Schauberger, and I'm very curious about how much dissolved oxygen you get out of this system. Do you have any comparative numbers or tests where you measure this?
How long does the oxygen stay in the system and how far will it travel? For example, if I didn't have this vortex falling directly into my fish tank, but rather into my sump which was then pumped into the fish tank, would it retain the dissolved oxygen?
Sorry, you answered my question about the dissolved oxygen in the video. The second question still stands though :)
I have been experimenting with this in my small system and have not seen much air get pulled yet. I am using a regular 5 gal Home Depot bucket with a 1" hole at the bottom. My next experiment is to reduce the size of the hole to see if the vortex makes it to the bottom. Question is.... is my 5 gallon size a dealbreaker from the outset? If size does not matter, I may consider smaller vortex aerators placed strategically among my rafts.
Thanks for any help you all can offer.
What became the outcome of this. Wanted to try also with a 5gal bucket.
Also, if you punched holes partially perpendicular to the flow of water, does it suck more air in?
i have a 1000ltr fish tank for my aquaponics.
does the bucket size matter or does it just need good constant flow to create enough oxygenation?
This is amazing, and the stream side demo even more so. I'm new designing my first set up, if I get it right I'm telling my cousin in Hilo to start her own system on her farm [ette]. I am fascinated by the power harnessed in the drum and wht shape rotor would ride the wacky tsunami wave in there.
Does it do anything for removing suspended particulates, or is the water too fast?
Can this concept be used to separate particulate matter from water? It's already used for air filtration but I'm having difficulty finding proof of its efficacy with water
just wrote that thinking of you videos, and thought these might help U!
how important is it that the barrel is conic?
nice demonstration
This is unreal. Hard to believe that that much oxygen is entering the water through such as simple setup. Wonder what I would need for a 25,000 gallon setup?
wouldn't you get more surface area by showering it over a larger area like a 2 metre surface area shower head with thousands of holes over the top of the tank defusing more oxygen into the water ?
Yes
never worked on small bucket for me.
yeah it shouldn't, if the outflow matches the inflow the vortex can't reach that size. if the out flow is less and the vortex can build size it just overflows.
You should throw some dirt in there and show how it works