Nikon Z8 Initial Review, The Future of RED?
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0:00 Intro
0:38 How I got into Nikon
1:42 The Review
3:32 My New Fav EDC
4:13 Weird Issue With NRaw
5:00 Image Quality
5:20 Build Quality, Features, and Gripes
6:48 My Main Issue
7:37 Why The ZMount is AMAZING
8:17 Nikon Bought RED?!
10:36 Future Wishlist - Фільми й анімація
“I’m a filmmaker not a camera salesman.” 👏🏻
@@art_means_artificialhe is a filmmaker and been commissioned lol. You’re just jealous.
Nikon Open Gate and cinema menus would melt my face.
I did hear somewhere that they wanted to add open gate in firmware ! And support for Anamorphic lenses .
So happy to see Nikon coming back on the scene. I was a 20 year user until the switch to mirrorless. Great video Cam!
Same. I shot nikon for more than a decade but when I needed video that Sony was offering, I switched. Nikon was late to the party but it looks like they brought party favors now. In other words they’re catching up and maybe even surpassing some.
The exact same story here. I had been shooting Nikon for 8 years until I needed a serious video camera. That was back in 2020. I’m eyeing up that z8…
fine, ill try a Z8 too.
The image quality’s is nuts
You can never get enough credit for how much passion and craftmanship you pack into your intense masterclasses. And many thanks for embracing this camera, that sort of has been flying under the radar. It makes more and more sense that Nikon and RED are reshaping the cinema landscape together.
Selling my Sony a7rV to buy a Nikon Z8 😊
Open gate would have me fully sending to Nikon 100%. Also, in the camera, de-squeeze in as many flavors as possible. Maybe anamorphic IBIS even if it just helps smooth out the handheld jitters. Would buy yesterday if they make that happen! Right now shooting Panasonic for anamorphic and Sony for other stuff, I really am not a huge fan of L mount, though, so being able to adapt to E mount would be such a game changer! Love the video Cam, keep it up!
Long time Nikon user here. Stoked to see people finally understand what they are capable of. Admittedly they lagged in video - but I am about 90% stills in my business. Almost 20 years on Nikon. Oh and the menu system is fairly easy once you understand - but the best part is setting up what you need in their "I" menu. Once that is done you don't ever have to go into the sub menus. Everything is a quick change from there.
Yeah the stills the menus are fine.. but fir video there are a lot more settings needed to be changed
Your channel is so cool. Beside the information also the approach to color and video/photo vibe. Love it. Learn so much from it. Thanks.
Thanks, Man! Always enjoy the content! Cheers!
Hope to see you post a video of your workflow using Z8.
Video content about Nikon NRAW N-LOG exposure method and post-production material restoration.
At present, the LUT provided by Nikon does not work very effectively. It cannot be used directly with DaVinci, nor can it be used as a reliable reference on an external monitor.
The Nikon N-log color space in Resolve is excellent. Just setup Resolve to color managed assign the Nikon files to N-log (ProRes). You may have to set the files data level to full vs video depending on your shooting setup (internal card vs ninjav) and hdmi settings. Looking forward to possibly having Red Raw in the future!
I have that killer combo!, the Z8 and the Zf!, love them both!.
regarding the menu - use the question mark!
Also I wish an EI mode and the ability to select different LUTs. But I love the camera!
Same!!!!! I forgot to talk about LUT support
@@cammackey a video on lut support and working with N-Log would be helpful for a lot of users. Took me a little bit to figure out the best method for me using a color managed workspace in Resolve. Resolve color manages N-log pretty well when setup correctly. Never had good luck with Nikons Lut.
@@JohnShyloski A whole lot of confusion out in the wild about use of Nikon's LUT with Resolve...as you say it is totally unnecessary with Resolve. Whether shooting NRaw in NLog or one of the other formats in NLog, Resolve can manage it automatically if you prefer, or using a CST if you want to manage manually. No need to even have the Nikon LUTs on your computer with Resolve.
@@gabmwrider this is the way.
Agree on the menu. Once you get things set the camera is a joy to use.
Another great honest video! BDE you are hilarious for that one! 😂
I feel the exact same way, I'm excited about the merger and the possibilities for new tech. Imagine if Nikon made something like an FX3 or FX6 but with a RED sensor and R3D? That would be so sick. Nikon was my first film camera back in 2005 and my first digital camera back in 2012. Their lenses have been used in cinema for decades (adapted) so it's about time they start getting serious about cinema cameras.
Yeah I think this will give nikon the way to make an fx3/fx6 type camera with their own sensor,, they can basically use REDs UI now
Love your videos. I rented the Z8 a few months back to film and photograph some powwows and I was blown away by the colors compared to my Z6. I am hoping to get improved colors and maybe different sensors from Red in the Nikons. I agree about the gear. I have Nikon, Fuji, Sony, and Hasselblad. They all have different scenarios that I use them for.
I just ordered one. Kinda banking on open gate and a new log profile coming in updates soon.
I’m super interested in the z8. I really want to test one out
Another great video. Was never looking at red or Nikon but now I am. 2 beast technologies combined is just an exciting future.
Thanks for sharing.
Finally!!!! the ultimate Z8 For Filmmakers review, thank you so much
I am sure high ISO is better and overall resolution but in terms of dynamic range do you think it comes close or is as good as the Komodo on a practical level?
I own the Z8 and use Sony glass on it using the Megadap adapter. I tested the video autofocus by dollying in to two objects with my Sony 14mm attached. The focus was smooth and continuous without noticeable shifting. It was pretty much like using a native Sony camera.
I bought the Z8 a few months ago, when I saw the waveforms in the menu I kinda lost my shit, Glad you talked about it, I haven't seen anyone else mention it.
Cheerd much for the breakdown I agree on all points and smaller would be nice 😊❤
Thank you for this review.
I'm not using the camera for Film-making, but this is by far the first and best review in therms of film-making.
I think nikon should bring out a Z9/Z8 camera in a Video-camera-form-factor with all the needed connectors at a price of the Z9.
Loooooooveeeeeeee your Zf looks!
Thanks for this. They defo seem to be making the right type of moves lately, so if they'll also start truly leveraging the feedback from folks like yourself, that'll just tie the whole thing together. We can only hope...
Finally. Nikon are back! I'm a Fuji user, getting a GH5 and S5ii, but now you can see the future is RED. What a crazy time in the camera world.
How is S5ii
The d850 and the XH2S had a baby and I'm here for it
yeah man, again totally spot on … 👍 no BS. Nikon definitely did amazing job. I taking more and more my z8 / z9 bodies making me more inspired
Very excited to see where Nikon goes in the next few years! Now that they bought RED we should see a solid fx3 style camera from Nikon in the future.
Very honest opinions expressed
Great Video!
Does anyone know if the Nikon Z8 has Timecode? Can't see if it works with the Deity TC system. Camera looks fantastic.
Go Nikon!
If you want people to stop asking if you're switching cameras maybe you shouldn't make videos with titles like, "I'm switching" or "I'm done with Canon" or... well you know. Come on bud, don't blame the viewers. Not busting balls but when you said that, I tilted my head with a puzzled look similar to the one my wife gives me when I say I'm quitting drinking.
Two be fair, there’s only two, one is from a year ago, the others 5 years old , from a title perspective at least
😂😂😂😂 fair point. Granted I haven’t used that verbiage in a while. And when I do it’s to tease the keyboard warriors lol. This was more for people who have serious inquiries
Very cool!
How you got the brass knobs like that? @cammachey did you get the camera like that or you took the paint off?
I sanded them
Finally asking the real questions!! Looks great btw!
Any chance of Luts for Nlog? Your natural film luts are still my favorite for Sony. Would love to have something similar for Nikon
Stay tuned!
Cam is there any fix for the N-Raw 24fps shadow clip issue? I've got some footage that I recorded that's basically unusable because of it. 4.1k 24fps seems like anything below 255 in the shadows gets clipped off
How do you find Z8 when compared to A7R5? Which one do you like more?
Oooo that’s tough. I wanna say the Z8 has better image quality outlets because of codecs. And the Z8 has waveforms… other than that, the A7RV still feels a little more put together and thought out. I think Sony just has a little mroe expierence in this game of hybrid form function. And the A7RV is great for photographers and videographers. But I find myself wanting to use my Z8 more and mroe for video. If they were to bring open gate.. it’d be a done deal I think
I actually hate flip out screens for video and vastly prefer the tilt screen haha
To each their own. The Sony A7RV has the best screen hands down.
100%!!
Same. Flip screens are good if you're filming yourself (which most people don't) and worse for everything else.
@@dhyanverco I highly disagree. I’ve used flip out screens a lot for $50k shoots. People make silly pointless rules and points. Everything is a tool.
@@cammackey I never said that you can't use flip screens. I just find it more inconvenient when I'm behind the camera. I had a studio shoot last week and you have to flip then rotate the screen. It's off axis etc. Obviously flip is better when you're vlogging, but I maintain the Z8 style is better if you're working behind the camera.
The Z8/Z9 are serious powerhouses. They were just slow to the market. The market will catch up. I would imagine R3D in the Z8/Z9 would be the first thing we would see from the RED acquisition. Looking forward to seeing what you did in the Z8 project! That card reader is fire!
DUDE YES. red raw and red like menus on this Z8 would be amazing.
Hey Cam! how you doing?
do you think the z8 is a better hybrid camera than the r5c? does it do good in video mode?
100%. The R5C has too many annoying issues
I have the Z9 and I'm finding I need an on camera monitor for some work and I'm struggling to find one that works on the Z9. Any advice would be treasured.
The Sony Z adapter is so cool
I traded my GFX 100s for the Zf and I friggin love it. It is the most versatile camera i have ever used.
I so agree with you on your view of Canon. It would be high time for them to open up the possibility for other lens manufacturers to play along on the RF mount. I think that Nikon's purchase of RED will kind of force them to do that, otherwise over time they will see other players really eating into their customer segment. It's a good thing for us who are often a one man band. Thanks for sharing, love your style and delivery.
If I wasn't with Lumix this would be the camera of choice for me .
Wonder what's going to happen to the RF mount on the RED Komodo?
I personally hope they change it. It’s the only thing I disliked about the Komodo. It’s great if you’re a canon shooter… but so many of us have jumped ship from canon since they’re so behind on so many things and other companies are offering way more for less. So either a z mount or l mount would be amazing
i saw Z9 has now 4 banks for movie setups and 4 for photography, i expect those to come to Z8 and maybe Zf soon but lets see.
Zf is not a pro camera (for Nikon) and only pro cameras are getting banks.
the mug joke, nice one! ;D
Did you get your ZF's dials customized in brass? Or did Nikon send it to you that way? It's gorgeous!
Zf dials are made of brass. I gathered that you can use sandpaper to get the black paint off to reveal the brass
I havent even blinked an eye at Nikon for years. I had no idea they put pro res and raw in this beast.
Ever since the Z9 was released 2 1/2 years ago.
Do you believe the z8 is still gonna be good for fashion films and filming for social media content with a cinema look for the next couple of years? Or you believe they can come up with a more dedicated cinema camera partnering with red and it is worth the wait. Currently i use a d850
I think for hybrid shooters definitely
Woah ive been sleeping on Nikon too long. Int prores raw, Emount to zmount??? This is crazy!
Do you have any recommendations for monitors?
Smallhd is my go to
What paint did you use to paint cage ? 👀
It’s a camo green I’ve been using for years!
Cam...I heard that Nikon doesn't have a memory recall (like Sony's dials for memory recall). Would you confirm if that's the case? I have the A7RV (& A7Cii). I've been thinking replacing my A7RV with the Z8. How's the Megadap adapter working out?
The adapter works almost like native
It has recall settings
What Cage are u using for the Z8
Tilta
Do a review on this voigtlanders
Hard pass on flippy screens. Got an A1 and A7IV and im scared ill break the A7IV all the time as an adventure filmmaker.
Very interested in your thoughts on Z8 vs Sony/Canon for video autofocus.
what did you shoot the main talking head shot with?
A7RV and Sony 24-70mm 2.8
Nice first impression !
I read that N-Raw have color space limitation to Rec.2020 and so being limited in that regard compared to other brand .
Can you confirm ?
Many thanks 🙏🏾
Yeah it’s rec2020. I’m not sure how wider of a color space other cameras color spaces are though. Very good question
@@cammackey
I think any other brand have their own color gamut color which is wider than Rec.2020.
Sony for exemple with S-Gamut or Gamut3.Cine.
But maybe I’m wrong
I looked into it and youre correct! Though a lot of them just cover different sections of the color space too so it's all confusing. Someone more advance needs to cover this for sure
Could be a good video for Gerald Undone to cover.
Rec2020 isn’t a limitation for almost every subject really. If you want to really do a stress test then try it on some strong neon blue signs. That’s where the color space and format issues were a problem in the past. I haven’t done this test with nRaw yet.
Well, in my city, anyone who owns a Sony camera thinks they're a film maker and I wonder: aren't those the ones who make movies?
I need to know what amazing hat that is!
You're spot on. My feeling is this Z8 is the closest a mirrorless camera comes to a cinema camera like a red. I might just get one soon. Ditching Canon for good.
I know my z6 really well, and the z8/9 menus are still confusing. Even after you learn the whole bank system (which is designed for photogs) There is still too many options. Would love to manage the menus and banks/presets with my IPad or Mac. 😊
That’s good feedback to hear!!! I wasn’t sure if it was jsut my inexperience with the system or if the menus are really just that bit of a mess
Bro I am film maker and so plz suggest me should I shoot in nraw or ProRes raw or ProRes 422hq in z8 I am new to it
Depends on the project brother. If you need quality for post color grading and for high deliverables.. like high end clients and such.. then raw or pro res hq. If it’s just for like social media tho.. H265 is jsut fine
@@cammackey ok I am making an visual story film and project like mini movie so it should be more cinematic what would suggest ProRes raw or nraw
Are you using vintage lenses or mist filters perhaps? your videos give me creamy retro vibes I really like it.
I’m always switching it up and every other video. I get bored and so I just like to try new things and different lenses for this. I just use my Sony A7RV with the 24-70 II 2.8 in a Hollywood black magic filter. And then in post, I added barrel distortion and blur to the edges. literally for no reason I was just experimenting and having fun lol
Just bought the Nikon Z8. Switched from Sony because it is the perfect photo+video camera (with a slight lean towards video). They didn't hold back any features and are releasing software updates, which is what pushed me over.
I am happy for them to charge a few hundred dollars for a software update with more video features (OpenGate, RedRAW, etc)
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK !
i bought this camera 2 and a half years ago when it was called a Z9....where have you all been ??!!
We’ve been sleeping in Nikon honestly
Great review.
Too bad Nikon won't allow loading custom LUTs to preview N-Log in camera, because the standard one is terrible.
The Nlog is amazing. It view assist lut is just wrong.
@@mainmain5303 yes, that's what I meant.
ahhh your hair is beautiful dude
Hahaha thank you 🤘🏽
I love at the end his most updated thoughts on the R5C after owning and using it 😂 Nikon is the new popular boy in class just because they bought RED, and that's why y’all seeing a review about it here. Tomorrow, he'll be bashing Nikon again and speaking highly of the next brand.
And you’ll still be watching baby girl 😘
Z8 is a Beast.. Nikon will fix it with next firmware and open gate is on the way.
I should become a filmmaker. Just get thrown free gear at you. 😂 thanks for sharing.
🔥🔥🔥
Z9 handles the temperature issue better apparently.
2:28 - NRAW isn't a true raw, it's an ALL-I with post controls, so I think this is why they can do a downsample.
Have any evidence of this? Cause the WB change in post looks like raw
If you're going to get bought out, at least it's a comfort to know that Nikon had BDE hahahahah
Nikon firmware has always been stills-first to the point where up till this morning the PASM mode settings were not tied to the stills/video switch. With 5.00 they’ve finally fixed this on the Z9 so at least the video memory banks are segregated from the stills memory and the PASM setting doesn’t carry back and forth any more. Progress. But the rest of the menu structure is one big crossover mess that will take more work to fix. Now we need shutter angles and fractional frame rates to make the Z line fit into pro video workflows. As for Red, hopefully Nikon can retain the talent and build from here. The cultures seem so different that I’m not even cautiously optimistic, but it will certainly be good for the market if Nikon makes the buy up work well. And if they can roll out a Z-mount Komodo fairly soon, then I might even add Red to my equipment list. Time will tell.
“Go get a laptop and put a lens on it” 😂😂😂 but that’s so crazy e-mount lenses work on the z-mount. The possibilities are endless!
With an adapter I’m sure.
Is only 4k 60/50/30/25/24 downsampled from 8k 60/50/30/25/24( Extended Oversampling must be on). 4k 120 / 100 is lined skipped. Regarding low DR in nraw, try and set the raw quality to high (video quality (nraw)).
I spent an hour trying to clarify if 120fps was Downsampled, everything I found said it was. Have any links?
And yes I ran a handful of test. With extended oversampling off.. on.. raw high quality on.. off.. same results.
I noticed you don’t see the shift until you hit record, but when just monitoring it’ll look fine. So I’m hoping it can maybe jsut be adjusted in firmware. Or even better, if it’s just a specific setting. Hopefully someone can figure it out!
@@cammackey don’t have any. Only the testes I did side by side : 4k 25fps vs 4k 100fps, plus what other z9/z8 user have found by them selfs. Plus the rolling shutter is much shorter in 4k 100fps vs 4k 25fps.
interesting, weird Nikon doesnt clarify that....
@@cammackeythat is nikon way of doing stuff.
@@cammackeygetting Nikon to clarify anything when it came to video was like pulling teeth. For a long time it felt like there must’ve been two engineers there who knew anything about video and they weren’t talking to anyone.
Another thing to note that I notice in NRAW is that strong blue colors get way out of gamut and destroy the blues like strong blue LED lights . It’s un fixable in post. I’m hoping a future firmware update fixes it. If anybody wants to reach out direct to see an example of what I’m talking about let me know
This has always been a problem with Nikon’s implementation of video. The funny thing is the data is often there (and the camera is capable of capturing all of it), it’s just in how the data is being converted.
Definitely look into your post processing chain and see if there’s anything that could be changed. For example, are you using the Nikon LUT? That will clip all of that info out.
@@hautehussey nope no LUT straight NRAW footage can be viewed with destroyed blues tones from LED lights . Properly exposing the scene as well. The proxy mp4 file that attaches with the NRAW file is perfectly fine
@@xiomarahope4235 yeah, the data is there, just needs to be converted in the right way. I ran into the same issue with ProResRaw.
Interesting I haven’t heard of that before. Feel free to DM examples on IG @cammacky
Sounds like the R5C would be better no?
1000% no. The R5C has horrible dynamic range. Horrible battery life. insanely slow. Stuck with the very limited RF mount. Very noisy. Doesnt touch the Z8.
@@cammackey I think that would be a good comparison video for you to do.
@@cammackeycurious… Do you have any experience with the S5II or S5IIX? If so would you take a Z8 over the S5II?
Dang, within two sentences you got to keep two cameras. Not a bad ratio going here! Lucky duck!
I’ve noticed a few Fuji haters saying that “the ZF is just a little more than the X100VI. Why would you buy it….” (Actually about $700 more with the 40mm) That Nikon is clearly much heavier. I do think it’s a great camera though. I still preordered the Fuji…. I never have considered Nikon but with their last 2 releases maybe one day. Just not yet.
I mean they’re just different cameras. I’m leaning more towards the ZF these days tho
I agree with you with Open gate. Hell Even black magic's newest camera does open gate. Black magic's entire stych is to be cheap as possible. So if they can do open gate. Why cant everyone else?
*in your case, literally just buy a $1 smartphone stand from the dollar store or use a book, to prop up your smartphone, problem solved regarding the LCD screen. Its even better than using a fully articulating screen because it's closer and you can control the camera. Just place it out of frame to your right.
Nikon expects you to use your smartphone if you need to see live view b/c a fully articulating screen also has its many issues. You can fully control all Z cameras wirelessly with your smartphone. It's been like that since DSLRs going back to the mid 2000s.
I used to just attach my smartphone to my wrist/forearm underhanded. I didn't use it much b/c I was 99% behind the camera.
It’s really not that simple. And the app doesn’t give you full control. And it also doesn’t work when you’re doing wireless setups cause the wifi can’t compete with the signal.
Did you just say that you can adapt E mount lenses on the Nikon!!??!?
Hmmmmm Nikon is suddenly an option.
Planning on leaving canon this year and all this news has me thinking alot
Nikon menu system is one of the best; I worked a lot with Sony , a nightmare , and phase one , too basic ; just spend a little time with it
I actually prefer the Sony menus, canon menus, and Panasonic menus over the Nikon. Just doesn’t really click with me for some reason
Next stop ! The ZR
Wow they let you keep a z8... lol
Thanks for being honest!
Versus r5c
I went from Fuji, to Blackmagic, to Canon….and now trying to move on. Guess why😂. I am currently zf curious.