This subject has come up a lot during streams. Thought it was video worthy to talk about a bit. Enjoy! If you'd like to catch the streams and say hi: www.twitch.tv/madseasonshow
I've always contended that the raid mechanics themselves weren't necessarily that complex but they were pretty unforgiving and required near-perfect timing, combined with needing to have 40 players all on the same page, moving in unison. The first few raids meant you were geared in greens and blues that were best in slot because you couldn't get epics with daily quests, dungeons and activities. The servers back in the day weren't really equipped to handle that many people in a raid dungeon and often the framerate was a slideshow at best. I expect today it's not quite so bad with all the info and walkthroughs available online now and I would hope the servers and modern PC's are more than up to the challenge to bandwidth and resources.
I thought this was incredible well made and indepth, and a very wise and well educated result. I'd also agree of how well nicely casual Classic actually is. It simply is big and takes time, but more in the matter of: for the long haul, without stress or obligation! And such the video presented well of why classic was such a success, in the release as well as in the re-release. Simply not the rest of blizz
The whole "pressured to do content" part is the only reason I dont play retail anymore, but damn is it a big one. Its just not fun to constantly having to worry about being left behind, even if what Im missing out on is insignificant
@@jakob587 But with there being only one clear endgame objective (defeat the raid bosses), won't you eventually get to that point if you play long enough?
@@jakob587 That's the fucking point. Why would you catch up to someone who plays 20 hours a day if you play 2? You're SUPPOSED to be able to look at people and be like "Oh wow, he plays a lot and he must be good at the game, I couldn't achieve that" while still being content with your own achievements and time-investment.
@@HotCacahuete You're spot on with that last bit of your sentence, ive noticed in classic im proud of the level ive gotten to and the progress ive made while in retail it feels like any level besides cap means nothing
Sad Weeb more like wow I have a life and a family and that guy has nothing after 15 years that allows him to play all day where I barely have enough time to get a few resets of lbrs 3 boss
WoW Classic is absolutely casual friendly, even to this day. Also your explanations on retail about being obligated to do everything is exactly how I feel. Classic just feels more chill.
@@viermidebutura God, I bet. That must be dull as shit. I played from vanilla until wotlk, left, came back for a few months for cata, then came back again for MoP until I was max lvl and geared up, by which point I was totally done. I was logging into MoP and feeling bombarded with useless shit to do, then feeling like I was missing out if I DIDN'T do it. Didn't help when you wanted a thing and you'd see someone else with the thing, fomo at it's finest. Looks like it's even worse these days, which puts me off ever checking back into retail. I'll stick to classic like the old, casual dinosaur I am.
But you are not obligated to do everything at all on retail. Just pick up casual heroic raiding guild and have fun. Half of mine just logs for raid clears and does nothing else. It is just personal OCD that people have.
@@goran77ish Either you didn't watch all the video, or you just glossed over a big part of it. MadSeason exactly explains why that argument of "you don't have to do it all" doesn't really hold water. The entire game is designed around the current system of dailies and grinds, sure you can just not to it, but you're then putting yourself at a huge disadvantage. Watch from about 3:50 to 6:20 in this video for a better explanation.
@@Spamhard Only time you have to do all that stuff is if your character recently hit 120 and has crap gear or azerite level. Once you are past a certain level the emissaries, warfronts, islands etc become useless except for the azerite. I've been slacking hardcore for months and my neck will max out way before 8.3 hits, so currently the only thing I do is m+ and raid, with zero disadvantage.
It's not casual because you need to work every single day, and if you stop you won't be able to find any good group to play the actual "game": raids, dungeons and PvP. In classic you can do whatever and whenever you want, because leveling and having adventures with another people is the actual game.
Rodrigo Aragon try tanking in Classic if you’re up for a challenge, rotation isn’t difficult it’s the DD’s and healers not watching their threat meters.
I feel like a big part of what makes classic feel more casual is the fact that you can log in just to socialise with friends and guildies, retail feels like a long list of chores you NEED to do before you are allowed to take a breather and talk to ppl. I made a friend join me in classic, he started to play wow from pandaria and onwards, and after a week he was like "shit man this is good, idk why, it feels like coming home every time i sit down to play"
I also stay for the social aspect of it, i am very try-hard-ish in general but here i had no issue to stop at 50 and make a DPS alt that i can farm with for my healer main, getting that level 40 mount is pretty much the most "urgent" thing you feel you really need, afterward the game is very enjoyable to play at any pace. I even enjoy reading my quests while auctioneer scans the AH or gossiping with guildies about movies and such, it's amazing.
Truth. I like retail. But i hated the feeling I had to dailies or stuff I’m not into to get stuff I needed for things I liked. Example.. I like mythic plus dungeons. But to stay competitive, I had to do dailies for artifact power, island expeditions for essence, rep grind (dailies a bit every day) for more essences. That’s not fun. An hour or more of must do work every day... my bf doesn’t have time for that, and he likes to pvp. But he also would have to do tons of work to get what he’d feel he needs. He can’t just pvp and get all he needs. That’s sad.
Funny. Lot of my guildies from retail stared playing classic and we made a guild there to. Now just two of us log from time to time. Most of them stopped at around 20. And most of them have been playing since vanilla. We still kill Azshara every week on retail.
@@goran77ish Most of the people who cry about bfa prob haven't played in years. Classic made more people play retail in my guild than the other way around. A lot of people quit classic and reupped bfa and are enjoying it way more
@DerShrimp1 true, you know what i noticed in retail? they had no character stat window and all stats "unrelated" to your spec was grayed out... That's... That's why i like RPG mechanics in games. To learn and toy with different stats and what they do with some room to be creative... That's totally gone now. the only thing better in retail is the graphics. if ai could have the retail models and animations but the gamedesign of classic - expanded upon. We'd have a pretty cool game.
When WoW first released in 2004, I was very young, but my parents played it quite a bit and I spent all my watching them. I was eventually allowed to create my own character play a limited amount during the burning crusade while being supervised, and I loved it. I never got past the mid 30s, not because I didnt play much but because I spent all my time wandering around high level zones and swimming in the undercity sludge and exploring the city. For me, the old wow was a very casual game. I spent most of WotLK making death knights, levelling to around 62 then making another because I found the starter quests so cool and spent the majority of later expansion taking over my parents characters (as they no longer played due to personal reasons) which was super cool to experience being a max level and levelling them to the new max. I never raided, and only did LFG dungeons from Wrath onwards, but WoW has so many casual elements that I loved, even in the so called hardcore expansions like the burning crusade.
You pretty much just described my childhood and it was so lovely to read! I had no idea what I was doing at 8/9 years-old, but you make your own fun just running about, exploring, seeing how the pretty stuff in the AH looks on your character, etc.
I've been out of town more than I've been home since classic came out and I'm still level 50 and loving it. Totally casual friendly. All my friends are 60 but I don't care or feel rushed
It's pretty crazy that so many people think classic is only for the hardcore, i've been casually leveling maybe 1-2 ours every other day if not every day and don't feel any need to rush to level cap. Alot of that is to do with the fact that in classic leveling IS the game, while in retail it's a minor chore.
I remember I was a freshman in HS I made a Tauren warrior I played this game in a mindless casual way I remember not using talents (lv17 still in Mulgore)until my brother who was another tauren hunter told me about them lol anyways they came to a point where I had everything a dungeon had to offer me so my brother and I joined a raiding guild as a player playing it for fun quickly became another job the people in charge had specific rules for everything like talents/positions/specific spell & attack combos so that casual mindset went poof and I quickly became an elitist douche as more and more raids wear added I became worse this game was always about exploring, reading or even roleplaying it was never meant to be played with an elitist attitude even Blizzard said that they didn't think this game would blow up so quickly so it was always meant to be played in a casual way take it slow and steady the game is not going anywhere enjoy the music enjoy the world we built and relief that stress smoke a joint and set it on cruise.
Dude....there was not a single period to be seen in this abomination of a sentence. What the hell is wrong with punctuation? People risk losing precious brain cells by reading this mess. Other than that, yeah I am absolutely with you. Blaze.
I mean... you CAN still play the game chill. but at max level you won't find improvements for your gear unless you raid or hardcore PvP... if you're ok with that then be chill, maybe lvl an alt chill as well. maybe install a quest addon to show you where all quests are and tick off the ones you missed... just saying. just because there is a path of progression doesn't mean you need to take it to enjoy the game.
Cliffy took the words right outta my mouth. Please please, use some periods and linebreaks. Otherwise I totally agree with everything you said! Its *so* easy to walk that path that you describe. I have to constantly remind myself to slow down and enjoy the ride =)
5:00 I am glad someone finally brought this up. The response of "Well then, just don't do X." That's not how a game like WoW works. Features in a game are not in a vacuum, but they affect everything else. Battlegrounds and Arena affect Wpvp. LFG affects Pugs. LFR affects Raiding. Mission Tables take away rewards from something else in the game that could have been better. Stop throwing out the same tired answer and think about how these different facets of the game affect each other. This is the WORLD of Warcraft, not "I'm on my own island and everything I do is independent of everyone else."
Whenever you log on, whatever little time you may have, even while only leveling, it always feels good and rewarding. In my mind, as you said, if you can only login on weekends and play a few hours but still feel part of the whole world and not left behind, is casual. Always gonna be people at your level, always fun.
The real problem is Retail puts these feelings of FOMO and inadequacy front and center to the player, to keep them playing and keeping them paying (for boosters, gold, cosmetics and WoW tokens). Sure there are probably loads of raiding guild who are way ahead of me, with players way ahead of my character progression and use mods to monitor and track that only guild members who play uber hardcore will be accepted into their guild/raiding. But in Classic none of that effects me if I choose not to be interested, I might however be interested tomorrow and in Classic I have a path towards progressing my character in that way, the same path everyone must take, and there are always more people joining that path. Not laughed at and assigned a boring grind of a catchup mechanic by the game's playerbase and developers alike in retail whilst raids and content are designated old, outgeared and left to rot by everyone, only playing the newest raid. Eventually if you try to do everything in retail you drown in trying to keep up, spending all your free time doing the same unengaging activities on 1 character, burning out to the endless demand that YOU MUST DO THIS EVERYDAY. Games are meant to be fun, being forced to run through the same checklist every day and week is work.
I don't agree at all. I feel like I'm getting nowhere in classic. I feel like I waste so much time doing things that don't add to the experience, like waking. I hate that I can't just finish a zone, that I have to keep bouncing between several wasting yet more time. And I can already see the population crunch at level 60 happening as lower level areas are becoming dead and it's significantly harder to find groups to do elite quests. I've even had to resort to working with alliance (on a layered PVP server, I'm horde) to get them done. You go to searing gorge or feralas and it's swarming with people all lvl 60, 24/7. Go to barrens and it's damn near a ghost town now.
@@eeguy77 dont know what server your playing on.. But barrens is still very busy for me. Maybe your logging on at the wrong times? Or your server is low population?
@@Ashleyscott580 my server is one of the heaviest pop servers. It still routinely has layers. The only time you see a somewhat decent amount of people in barrens now is Friday or Saturday night. Even then it's still way down. Cross realm phasing is busier.
Totally agree, especially about that there is so much stuff you "have to" do in retail it's not fun anymore. Not going back to retail... classic then TBC please
But before Classic fans said that Retail is for "casuals' and vanilla was for "hardcore" and now all of you are magicaly changing your opinion after you noticed is the opposite and still are with you stupid "fuck Retail" actitude. That's why i don't play Classic, it have many good things and many bad things, but Classic fanboys are a buch of hypocrites
If you aren't exalted with all factions and reps and don't have Winterspring mount and all world quests, don't say Classic is for Casuals because you probably are at 30% completion of the game even if you cleared MC/Ony
Madseason in the last month you’ve easily become my favourite youtuber. Tossing your videos on while grinding retail or classic is so relaxing. Love your sense of humour and the content is mint! Keep’er coming bro!
Perfect explanation. As someone who wants to be able to play casually on my down time, retail got too complicated and demanding. I felt like a how to quit my job just to keep up, so I stopped playing. Even now, it just seems like there are too many little details I'd want to experience within the game, but won't have the time to even try if I wanna participate in the current events. Classic is allowing me to experience the MMORPG again without the feeling so lost and behind. I'd rather spend 1 year leveling up and enjoying all the relevant content then playing the endgame content with all the friends I make on the way, than spend 1 month getting to the endgame content and spending the next year trying to keep up with all the dailies to stay relevant.
Great video. I'd have to say I'm probably more on the casual side of the spectrum, but only due to time restraints. Can't no-life 10 hours a day anymore, and have to juggle game time between work and family. All that said, I just hit 55. Back then when I DID no-life 10-15 hours a day, I didn't get close to 55 by this point. It took me probably 4-5 months to cap. I just didn't know what to do. I think I'm levelling well ahead of twice as quickly compared to last time. Likely be 60 and start end-game shenanigans in another week or so. And yeah - there's challenge that doesn't exist in Retail, but the biggest thing is that everything feels important, and thus I'm happy and looking forward to logging in, even if just to finish 2-3 quests, among all the travel time. If a casual like me can still, more or less, be ahead of the pack, it's certainly casual-friendly. I think I saw MC for the first time almost a year after launch - this time around, I'm on pace to get there just around the 2-month mark. It's just so good!
I don't see enough comments about how terrific your videos are. So perfectly paced and tightly written, with a great balance of information and humor. You make it look easy!
even though leveling is longer and "harder" in classic than retail, i would still say classic is more casual. That perfect example of the dailies and all that. When I was playing Warlords of Draenor, i felt like I had to log in and do all the dailies. Now in classic, I can just play. If I take a few days off, so be it. Classic is so much more bring the class, while now, it is bring the player. They do not feel that much more different than each other now, classic, each class had it's own advantages and disadvantages.
Exactly. I love that druids may suck in pve dps, but dang they are fun to play and their utility is off the charts. I love doing a dungeon with a feral druid tank.
@Sightless_Seeker So what do you expect will happen with me once this so-called "nostalgia filter" wears off? I didn't play any other MMOs before because they're all shit currently.
I actually helped an Alliance character with my Tauren character on the server I play on. I was even thanked, it was a rewarding feeling. I'm lucky I found a server with low saltiness.
being casual isn't even a bad thing tbh. I guess there's people that don't consider it casual because the leveling seems hardcore compared to the speedy, brainless leveling that plague most modern MMO's lol I'm not saying leveling in classic is the hardest thing in the world but with the mobs being tedious to kill at times it makes those gear upgrades during the leveling process feel good.
Fully agree, sure I'd love to be killing things a little faster but now I need to think about how I can do a quest. In retail, I could round up 3-4 elites and just kill them, with no real thinking...and to me, that's just not fun
@@Archermit you can just aswell in classic lol, ive seen mages kill 20 elites of their own level at once pressing literally two buttons half afk, frost nova and blizzard
Love your vids man. Started with famous and infamous. Your voice is so soothing and your pronunciation of words is immaculate. Keep up the good work man!
You nailed what I have not been able to formulate. Retail makes you feel like you have to do stuff. Classic makes you find the stuff you want to do. You are not time crunched into doing things. This is one aspect that retail has lost me. I play games to relax. I don't want to stress about having to do a million things to keep up. I currently enjoy classic because I can take my time doing what I want.
I feel like it's hard to have a discussion here in this channel about retail or classic when you are such a hardcore classic streamer/youtuber. people here have such a strong "good" opinion about classic and a strong "bad" opinion about retail that I feel it's kinda meaningless to have a talk about it in the first place. I love retail and I love classic but I feel like people just like bashing retail now. (sorry for bad english)
no people don't like bashing for the sake of bashing.. what are you saying... but because people are simply not satisfied with it? What's so hard to understand about it. It sounds like you try to make the arguments invalid... I personally never played classic era, and agree with all said here, cause when I tried the game, it all makes sense that was summarized in this video. And the stuff I don't like in retail is reflected here well, too. People say stuff for certain reasons!, ALWAYS, mostly not just for fun... If you feel like it's hard having a discussion here, then simply because you don't like being disagreed with, which is perfectly normal and fine. But maybe then, indeed you are in the wrong place. Simply let the people enjoy classic?? That's why there was such a huge demand for that game, and you can enjoy your retail. I don't remember I go to a retail channel ever after since. It's rather normal to prefer one game, no one urges you to come here. BTW: Subjectivity is a huge part of games and which you love... perhaps you should also reflect about that. Like of course people here like classic? (at the time of this video) And if they don't like retail that's also their choice? Again, it sounds like you don't want people to have an opinion, because it's not your opinion (here some not liking retail) Who said this was ought to be a place to have a neutral discussion - preference is not neutral... So after all that you sound like a princess, TBH. Then, when you feel ppl bashing retail, then perhaps you are not aware of how others like bashing classic.... So of course some people react more strong about it then!?! Perhaps here. But again especially cause it's normal to have an opinion, you don't have to like both. But also you can like both and still bash one! (Like Fanboys bash their own games alll the time... all the time. So of course... they also happen to bash your game while pointing out stuff they like which happens to be the other game but it might aswell be the same game! Mind blown) And FYI also Madseason does bash classic where it needs to be bashed btw... So with all that in mind you should perhaps hear/read yourself speaking. All That being said this streamer did a hell of a good job to stay objective and stating where its his opinion rather than a definitive result for everyone! He always preaches to get your own result... But that's just for his credit. I'm not saying that's a noble deed. It's simply cause he is a video maker adressing several people.
Vanilla can be as hardcore as you like or as little as you like. My main is a mage, I hit lvl 60 within the first 10 days, got my epic mount, 300 tailoring/enchanting/cooking/fishing/first aid. I'm an officier and raid leader in my guild. I'm a hardcore player. BUT: most of my guild is not but noone is pressured to put more time in than they're willing to because we wanted to make it a point. I know a lot of guilds like ours. We are not and we aren't competing with anyone. If you don't want to be part of "pro" guilds, there are alternativs for everyone. We waited so long for this game, why rush everything within a week or two?
@@aetherbeast1023 As I said, I'm not a casual player, at least when I'm on vacation xD There are many more people who didn't play vanilla for as long as I did and those folks should be able to play at their own pace. As of now, I'm leveling a priest together with my gf and we're doing sight seeing, reading quest texts etc while not having to worry about our mounts etc, which is kind of refreshing tbh ^^
I think it was worth mentioning in the "gearing" section that gear in classic is very different down to it's design... In that you can't just see a purple drop and have it automatically be an upgrade to your blue. The stats vary wildly on gear and you have to pay much closer attention to the stats on then and how the affected your character (and spec) to determine if it is actually an upgrade.
To be a ret pally you have to be a very likable person that people like being around and friends with. And a full blown extrovert my firend Tony is a ret pally in a good guild that gave him of eye of sulfuras and their already 40% of the way done getting the mats to get him the hammer. Pallys as a class are useful, but people have like you enough to carry you with you bad damage if you going ret.
I enjoyed your comparison and you make some good points. I'm a casual that is enjoying BfA a lot but I don't feel that pressure to gear up my character or to do content. Granted, I am way casual and I don't have a guild or anyone to try to compete with. I've been playing that way since I raided last in WotLK. I do like the comparisons you made however and while I haven't started playing Classic, you may have changed my mind. Thanks for a great video!
I really enjoy your content. I've been playing consistently since Warlords of Draenor, so I'm not familiar with the game prior to that. Watching your vids gives me a good sense of the vibe for the game back in the day. Keep up the great work. Oh, and I love the Zelda, Final Fantasy, SNES, etc., soundtrack you have playing in the background.
Yesterday i pulled 2 mobs in the Barrens, i killed then but then they respawned 5 times instantly. Ivé survived and killed everyone but it was a very difficult fight with my shaman who was oom all the time :D
Yo. I've noticed that since Classic was released, you've begun to sound more relaxed or tired in your videos. Do you play so much that you don't get enough sleep? I hope you're okay. Best wishes! *Just finished the video, you made a good case. I feel that whether Classic is casual friendly isn't as much a matter of opinion as it is about looking at the facts you presented. To some extent anyway.
Going back to Vanilla and why it was considered casual... You're right about the softer penalties on death, but also just the ability to level to cap solo on any class was pretty out there. Coming from EQ where only a couple classes could do that (assuming good gear... or playing Necro), or even Final Fantasy 11 which came out shortly before Vanilla, the idea of leveling solo easily was just crazy casual sounding. In 11 (at the time) most classes couldn't go past level 15ish without needing to group. I don't mean for group quests, I mean to progress at all. The only real 'solo' class was beastmaster, and you needed level 30 on another class to unlock that. At the time I feel the leveling solo idea was a huge part of what made it a casual mmo, and reshaped the genre as every game since adopted that formula. Good vid, glad Classic is back and I've had a good time playing it again. And watching stuff like this just talking about it.
Casual is also a state of mind about the "game." I couldn't handle the end game hamster wheel so I quit entirely. The pressure I put on myself to not fall behind and "do it all" made logging on feel like the start of a long and not too enjoyable checklist. After a nine year hiatus I'm back playing classic with three different characters and when I want to play one I do. I still feel the old pull to "get one more thing done," but nothing compared to when it first trapped me in its web. One benefit is I've found quests and went to locations I never hit the first time around simply because I'm not in a rush. Great video
"casual friendly" to me means more about time rather than difficulties. Classic wow just takes too much time to do anything. Raids and dungeons take ages. Casuals are more restricted by time rather than difficulties.
Time is absolutely the primary restriction of casuals! That's why I prefer to enjoy what little time I have and not stress about completing things. Since I don't have to keep up with anyone in classic, as a casual, I much prefer that to feeling like I'm constantly falling behind the curve in retail when I only have 3-5hr/wk to play. And if those hours don't line up with the evenings when more people are around, forget dungeons, and raids are a pipe dream. I get to play after work during a window from 8am-10am CT on two, maybe three week-days a week (never weekends), and never for the full two hour block. Going my own pace and planning my own adventure in Classic is so relaxing and enjoyable compared to just rushing through content that I have to rush through on repeat every single day/week on retail, all with nothing to show for it because I'm still so far behind everyone else I might as well not be playing. It may take longer to do any given Thing in Classic, but I don't have to waste time doing all the upkeep chores (daily/weekly repetitive junk) before I can actually go do Things in Classic. I'm not locked behind rep grinds or resource grinds to progress my characters. Those things are optional. Classic is just a light and freeing breath of fresh air.
@@laner.845 I did scholo today. It took 30 mins to find a tank then it took another 15 mins for him to travel to the dungeon. He then decided to go afk for another 15 mins. So in total it took about 3 hours to do a scholo run for no decent loot to drop. It has happened a lot since I hit 60. There are just some time saving things classic really needs such as summoning stones outside, better flight path options and shorter corpse runs after death...
@@AshyView24 That's why you socialize and get a guild in MMOs. You are poisoned with the retail mentality to the last bit. If you have a list of friends and a guild, it won't take you more than 1 hour to run scholo in any case. And it is also another positive that dungeons take a bit of time in classic, since it creates at least some scarcity and scarcity makes things somewhat valuable.
@@serhangul7775 I agree with you in part. This was a guild run by the way I forgot to mention that. Even guild members can behave like this. I love classic over retail but just one or two time saving changes would make it perfect. No more changes. Just summoning stones outside would be great.
@@AshyView24 summoning stones wouldn't be game-breaking. The only concern I have about that is whether it would be the first step toward going right back to the modern LFG system but in Classic. "Well, you were fine with the summoning stones, so we figured you'd prefer the new system in the old game" and then worst case scenario we end up with Classic servers shut down because "sheesh, we implemented so many modern conveniences we figured you'd rather just play the retail version." It's obviously a HUGE step from stones to modern LFG, but let's not even give them a leg to stand on with excuses to implement that awful system. And besides, if we do anything different, it should be guild banks, haha!
4:54 I cant really agree with you here, with the whole "optimize your character" thing. This has just become a thing people THINK is correct, when thats far from the truth.... Well, we can't model ourselves after the Top 300 guilds in the world that take every tiny little 0.01% upgrade they can, can we... Your weekly islands are good until youre neck 60-ish, so like 6 islands total. Other than that, dungeoning and raiding will do just fine. It did for me, rerolling just over a month ago and now progressing Ashvane M on that character. Lets go on a ramble; Everything ties back into what you say at 7:35. Ever since WoD, maybe even Mists, leveling as been extremely quick, and you have been introduced to new spells/passives far quicker than you can actually deal with and learn as a new player. This inability to learn the game through leveling, like you would in classic, has created a wall at max level between casual players and even semi-hardcore players. Level boosts didnt help this situation. Hell, Blizzard has also fallen into a trap whilst doing this, creating unintentional interplay between certain abilities that there is no way to know is there unless someone tells you, or you do deep 3rd party studying. For example; lets take a Havoc Demon hunter in the new patch, a simple spec in most peoples eyes. With Memory of Lucid Dreams (minor) in play you suddenly have alot more fury to play with. This shot up the value of Demonic Appetite, since you can chaos strike more.... And DA allows you to chaos strike EVEN MORE, making more soul shards. Did I mention there is an Azerite trait that decreases the cooldown of Eye Beam by 0.7 sec pr shard? Oh and it doesnt end yet, there is also a talent that grants you Meta for 8 sec after you Eye Beam, and ANOTHER Azerite trait that gives haste when you Eye Beam.... Get 3 of those and suddenly you have 3000 extra haste for 12 sec. That means more soul shards! Which ups the value of the CD reduction trait.... Did I mention you still have a free trait spot which *changes* depending on the content you do? Oh and forget about the talent that reduces Meta cooldown when you eat soul shards, its not ACTUALLY useful at all despite all I just said. Take the one that adds minor damage to your AoE ability that you will now use on single target in stead. Did I mention this class only has 3(4 with EB) rotational buttons? See *how much bullshit* that is? Its far too much to keep track of for most people. This is why, in my opinion, classic is super casual friendly, even compared to BfA. You get *plenty of time to learn everything* , most abilities you get are situational, or do noticably less damage, so you can actually tell its worse than another ability. Any outside changes come from tier sets or is placed in clear simple green text on items. Your social skills should not be factored in to how "hard" it is to play classic, if you cant/wont join a guild, that has nothing to do with the game itself, same for retail. Sorry about this overly long comment, I feel like people arent focusing on the core of problems with retail. It boils down to the leveling gameplay, and while trying to fix it, they added fuel to the fire.
Been playing classic for about 1 month now and I am having a blast. I quit playing WoW about 8 years ago or so and came back when they announced this was dropping. This video pretty much sums up everything i thought about coming back to classic and being open to casuals.
No you didn't. Even if you played 10 hours every weekend, the game's been out for 8-9 weeks. Jokerd leveled from 1-60 in about 80 hours. You're telling me you're lvl 57 at around the same time (or less) than the fastest lvl 60? Unless you're a godlike player abusing most "fast-leveling" methods, aka not questing, you're not 57 in "a few hours every weekend". At least be honest.
Having played classic for a month I absolutely loved the hell out of leveling from 1-60, getting into dungeons that require attuning, going on insane quest chains etc. If TBC gets a re-release sign me the F up 👍🏻
it's casual friendly until you get to 60, when you need to join a guild... if you are a rogue, forget it, you ain't getting a raid spot with ANY guild unless you are setting one up with friends
they say gear doesnt matter but still reserve them somehow lol i really trying to enjoy the game but the community is toxic or stupid idk they tell u that u get item depending on performance and u do ur best and top the dps meter then they say no thats not how it works wtfffffff
Much better gearing process in classic than any other mmo. I love the fact that a full raid of 40 has to split up only a handful of drops per boss. It makes items like thunderfury actually impressive and rare. It is nice when only a dozen people in the server have a certain item due to its rareness, makes getting those items and full tiered sets much more rewarding.
When i sit down i can just play overwatch without needing to grind, it's entirely skill based. Classic wow would require hundreds even thousands of hours for a single character to be maxed out level and gear wise.
Casual playing - log in anytime I want for however long I want and still be able to do whatever I want. Classic - everything takes stupid amount of time and is usually incredibly tedious. From leveling to preparing for raids. => Not casual friendly. This video feels like it's comparing casual play in Classic to min/max play in BfA and that's just wrong. You don't need to do every WQ, every emissary... every everything at all. A lot of guilds don't even run normal raids or like only once or twice then just HC and after HC is cleared they run only mythic and HC only as optional and/or to gear alts. So the whole broken record argument "you have 4 raid difficulties" is a moot point. And LFR? Please... I am playing Classic for about 6 weeks and I am 39 lvl. I can play approximately 1.5h a day for 4 days in a week. I am already getting burnt out from how slow and boring the leveling is (not hard, it's not hard at all...). "But Classic is all about the journey" yeah F that. I've leveled multiple times so I don't care about exploring the world and whatnot. I know the world. I just want to reach the start of the game - getting 60 and begin preparing for raids. What I can do in 1.5h in Classic? Log in, conjure consumables, do 2-3 quests. This takes like an hour because of the nonsensical abyssmal drop rates on quest items and/or having to wait for mobs to respawn... the rest is just boring traveling in between. And that's on normal realm so I don't have to worry about alliance trying to embiggen their dicks by killing lower levels. It would be way worse on a pvp realm. And I am a mage so I have a little advantage in traveling, so...
I agree with the first part of classic being more hardcore than BfA. Also the video idd compares casual classic playstyle to hardcore BfA playstyle. Because you can have sense of urgency in classic too, even with 2 raids and only 1 difficulty mode. You still feel behind if you don't finish them each week. You have to get consumables in time ready for raid else you feel behind compared to those who has all consumables for raid days. You have to get your BiS ASAP else you feel behind etc. However, I don't get why you complaining about leveling in classic. It is clear that if you lack time for playing then this game shouldn't be a part of your life. My advice is to stop playing classic altogether if you only have 1.5h each day or you should manage time better. If you can, you should play 1 day per week. Sum up that 1.5h per day 4 days a week. If you play 1 day a week for 6h you should be able to level and later gearing up more consistently. I remember when I leveled back in 2004, I only could play on saturday evenings, so what I had was max rested char and I was pulling of 2 levels each session. That way you won't feel like you are doing nothing. Rested experience is crucial if you don't have all the time in the world to play, but if you log in daily and even play 1.5h I don't think you will ever get one and a half level worth of 200% xp.
Had a day holiday day today, and honestly, sitting playing WoW all day on a Monday had me thinking this exact same thing. What if I just quit and played WoW for a few months straight?
@@vivianmendespaioli7740 But if you pay your bills *then* quit, you'll have a solid month of WoW before you get start missing payments and lose everything. Might be worth it.
Really well said, and really well made conclusion. Credit were credit's due. I'm actually surprised there are still dailies in modern games, feels so oldschool and chore-ish. There is nothing worse to your fun than a ton of daily obligations - as explained, no must, but having that feel of falling behind drastically when not doing them, instead of playing it in your own time and simply play the content that you are interested NOW. Also... you can't say Dailies foster limitation, when they are so many and take up a lot of time... Even with few time,,, especially more then, I don't want to do dailies! Cause it would be the same thing all over... and having even less time for the stuff you actually want to do. Instead of , "hey today I feel like ramping up my gathering skills - let's just do that." I feel progressing were I want is much more fun. And it's a great point, maybe you need more overal time to level up in classic. But it's simply part of the game, play each weekend a little bit, for a great adventure - not even a must. (before raiding, but then the only weekly is the raid, nothing else!). That's casual! Through leveling and similar it simply offer's to be played for longer but very casually. I wouldn't even say seeking some help or searching a team during leveling isn't casual, it's actually a very natural thing that is fun and part of the game play. Every casual can do that, since it's an innate skill of you as a human! The leveling certainly isn't hard or unforgiving, you simply need to get used to it a little - perhaps after you got used to the more modern games that spoonfeed you everything. After you find that lookingi at the mob level and area helps, to not get too strong enemies, it will be much better. A little not-super-ez mode can reward looking into the actual features of the game such as crafting, or herbs for instance. Or a little trading here or there to buy some potions maybe. Adding depth. Exactly what blizz advertised the game for: An epic journey to look back on. PS: I'm not a classic guy, but when I played it, I felt really, wow this is all so greatly done. It's a really good game. It only takes time. But that's why it's an MMO with sub costs right? You play it for longer and hopefully without a feel of stress or chore! (which could only be coming through external means - if there is nothing ingame wanting you to, such as no dailies) I totally get why people sticked to wow (in release) so long. But today's people are different, especially through media (websites, yt, live-streams), the minmax pves lurking forums cause they are passionate about it so you meet those guys most, or the hardcore pvpers, cause that's the nature of pvp: hardcore and competition. I think when I tried this game, I simply went into a BG mid leveling, perhaps spend some res on a few enchants, and rocked, even though I was new, I just had fun and that's how I improved. - Contrary, today you would be shout at for not preparing properly, and so on. Not really casual friendly or gamer-ish. It's an MMO - and based on the people. And with that we can conlude: Today's communities are much less casual friendly, and back then it was casual friendly. THUS: THe game back then was rather casual friendly, but today's game less so! Especially when devs don't remove such chore-ish features such as dailies and other "obligations"...
I have to admit. I was worried, that it was really just a nostalgia, which attracts me to the game. I don't have that much time I had 10-15 years ago. So I play it just when I have a time and I fu**ing love it. Just few hours, do some quest, skill up my professions, travel, explore...I am right now lvl 40 but I love the journey - and that is the point. Classic is about journey. And btw keep up the great work Madseason!!
I am a pretty casual player, I started playing WoW for the first time in my life like a month ago. I am still only level 17 so far, because I get sidetracked by all the weird shit I can do and at level 4 I found myself at Orgrimmar looking for a guide to Tarren Mill so I could fish better fish(and was promptly told to go back to my beginner zone of UC to level up). I love it so far!
It sums down to the leveling experience. I have a lvl 81 rogue. I have this character since MoP, I mostly played with him for 2 months in 2015 and 2 months in 2016, he has almost 7k pvp kills - I got a good amount of pvp achievments with him - and the profession is almost on par with his level, it was, by far, the best experience I had with WoW even thought I did some end game content in Cataclysm and Wrath of the Lich King.
Decided to finally get into wow myself yesterday, I've wanted to now for several years always feeling I had missed the boat and such. Although classic seemed like a golden ticket to experience everything I missed out on so how could I resist? rolled a Orc shaman playing on Mankrik (NA) hope to see some of yall out there!
I play around 1 hour a day and started in the weekend, currently lvl 15 but dont feel rushed at all, really enjoying the game and just chilling/taking it in.
This is why Ilike Madseason. You clearly have a preference, and that's totally fine, but you're very respectful to retail and people who enjoy it where other people wouldn't be. Mad respect.
This subject has come up a lot during streams. Thought it was video worthy to talk about a bit. Enjoy! If you'd like to catch the streams and say hi: www.twitch.tv/madseasonshow
WoW was originally designed and built to be a casual version of EQ.
ty for this great video! u did drop big true in this vid imo! much love
I've always contended that the raid mechanics themselves weren't necessarily that complex but they were pretty unforgiving and required near-perfect timing, combined with needing to have 40 players all on the same page, moving in unison. The first few raids meant you were geared in greens and blues that were best in slot because you couldn't get epics with daily quests, dungeons and activities. The servers back in the day weren't really equipped to handle that many people in a raid dungeon and often the framerate was a slideshow at best.
I expect today it's not quite so bad with all the info and walkthroughs available online now and I would hope the servers and modern PC's are more than up to the challenge to bandwidth and resources.
i can't be the only one who thinks you're the voice actor for the fat kid in home movies. i forgot his name but i swear it's you.
I thought this was incredible well made and indepth, and a very wise and well educated result. I'd also agree of how well nicely casual Classic actually is. It simply is big and takes time, but more in the matter of: for the long haul, without stress or obligation! And such the video presented well of why classic was such a success, in the release as well as in the re-release. Simply not the rest of blizz
please never change intro. After a hard working day, getting this intro makes me insta calm.
The game might be casual-friendly, but the players...
xD
I guess you made the mistake of not picking an RP server. Any PvE or PvP tryhards can be pointed to their respective servers.
What about them? I am from Stonespine and everyone here is great.
Lmao true.
I just hope everyone has a good time
Sounding extra monotone today my dude. I was out cold in 2 minutes
Goodnight
I’m currently watching this in prep for bed 😂😂
LMAO
Madseason looking out for his insomniac fans. Thanks homie
Hahaha
The whole "pressured to do content" part is the only reason I dont play retail anymore, but damn is it a big one. Its just not fun to constantly having to worry about being left behind, even if what Im missing out on is insignificant
The thing is retail has catch up mechanics but classic does not. If you're behind, you're just behind and you'll basically never really catch up.
@@jakob587 But with there being only one clear endgame objective (defeat the raid bosses), won't you eventually get to that point if you play long enough?
@@jakob587 That's the fucking point. Why would you catch up to someone who plays 20 hours a day if you play 2? You're SUPPOSED to be able to look at people and be like "Oh wow, he plays a lot and he must be good at the game, I couldn't achieve that" while still being content with your own achievements and time-investment.
@@HotCacahuete You're spot on with that last bit of your sentence, ive noticed in classic im proud of the level ive gotten to and the progress ive made while in retail it feels like any level besides cap means nothing
Sad Weeb more like wow I have a life and a family and that guy has nothing after 15 years that allows him to play all day where I barely have enough time to get a few resets of lbrs 3 boss
WoW Classic is absolutely casual friendly, even to this day.
Also your explanations on retail about being obligated to do everything is exactly how I feel. Classic just feels more chill.
I had 3 110's in legion and god damn it was a chore to doo all the repetitive crap every day x 3
@@viermidebutura God, I bet. That must be dull as shit.
I played from vanilla until wotlk, left, came back for a few months for cata, then came back again for MoP until I was max lvl and geared up, by which point I was totally done. I was logging into MoP and feeling bombarded with useless shit to do, then feeling like I was missing out if I DIDN'T do it. Didn't help when you wanted a thing and you'd see someone else with the thing, fomo at it's finest. Looks like it's even worse these days, which puts me off ever checking back into retail. I'll stick to classic like the old, casual dinosaur I am.
But you are not obligated to do everything at all on retail. Just pick up casual heroic raiding guild and have fun. Half of mine just logs for raid clears and does nothing else. It is just personal OCD that people have.
@@goran77ish Either you didn't watch all the video, or you just glossed over a big part of it. MadSeason exactly explains why that argument of "you don't have to do it all" doesn't really hold water. The entire game is designed around the current system of dailies and grinds, sure you can just not to it, but you're then putting yourself at a huge disadvantage. Watch from about 3:50 to 6:20 in this video for a better explanation.
@@Spamhard Only time you have to do all that stuff is if your character recently hit 120 and has crap gear or azerite level. Once you are past a certain level the emissaries, warfronts, islands etc become useless except for the azerite. I've been slacking hardcore for months and my neck will max out way before 8.3 hits, so currently the only thing I do is m+ and raid, with zero disadvantage.
The problem with BFA isn't that it's casual, but that it's soulless.
A baby can play BFA.
It's not casual because you need to work every single day, and if you stop you won't be able to find any good group to play the actual "game": raids, dungeons and PvP. In classic you can do whatever and whenever you want, because leveling and having adventures with another people is the actual game.
@@timthorson52 a baby can do the rotation of every classic class
@@Rodrigox333 this is true but only about cloth casters in raids
Rodrigo Aragon try tanking in Classic if you’re up for a challenge, rotation isn’t difficult it’s the DD’s and healers not watching their threat meters.
I'm level 40 and one of the lowest level mains in my guild. Even if the game is pushed as a casual game the players sure dont treat it like that.
@Kel'Thuzad dam sounds like you're raiding with super ultra mega nerds, I'm only a mega nerd myself
!!! My first guild wanted everyone 60 the week it launched ?? Like uh we have jobs now 😂
don't join hardcore guilds, youre a casual. if they expect u to be 60 and ur not, you suck, go play with other casuals.
@@thatsawesomelol You have to force yourself to speedrun to not be bad at a game, now?
@@Orphan_of_Kos_or_some_say_Kosm Don't take the bait.
I feel like a big part of what makes classic feel more casual is the fact that you can log in just to socialise with friends and guildies, retail feels like a long list of chores you NEED to do before you are allowed to take a breather and talk to ppl.
I made a friend join me in classic, he started to play wow from pandaria and onwards, and after a week he was like "shit man this is good, idk why, it feels like coming home every time i sit down to play"
I also stay for the social aspect of it, i am very try-hard-ish in general but here i had no issue to stop at 50 and make a DPS alt that i can farm with for my healer main, getting that level 40 mount is pretty much the most "urgent" thing you feel you really need, afterward the game is very enjoyable to play at any pace. I even enjoy reading my quests while auctioneer scans the AH or gossiping with guildies about movies and such, it's amazing.
Truth. I like retail. But i hated the feeling I had to dailies or stuff I’m not into to get stuff I needed for things I liked.
Example.. I like mythic plus dungeons. But to stay competitive, I had to do dailies for artifact power, island expeditions for essence, rep grind (dailies a bit every day) for more essences. That’s not fun. An hour or more of must do work every day... my bf doesn’t have time for that, and he likes to pvp. But he also would have to do tons of work to get what he’d feel he needs. He can’t just pvp and get all he needs. That’s sad.
Funny. Lot of my guildies from retail stared playing classic and we made a guild there to. Now just two of us log from time to time. Most of them stopped at around 20. And most of them have been playing since vanilla.
We still kill Azshara every week on retail.
@@goran77ish Most of the people who cry about bfa prob haven't played in years. Classic made more people play retail in my guild than the other way around. A lot of people quit classic and reupped bfa and are enjoying it way more
@@karywho when he was talking about bfa i felt like he was just reading some random people opinions about it.
most casuals play MMO's for the leveling I'd imagine. Leveling is basically one of the big draws of Classic, so in that way it's more casual imo.
That's the main reason I won't play retail. I find it pointless to buy levels in a MMO, just ruins things
@@azfanatic44 then dont buy them?
@@radenkovic2856 it ruins the experience. Now when I see a max level I think "oh ok... moving on"
@@azfanatic44 in retail everyone is max level because is were most of the gameplay is, so what's your point?
@DerShrimp1 true, you know what i noticed in retail? they had no character stat window and all stats "unrelated" to your spec was grayed out... That's... That's why i like RPG mechanics in games. To learn and toy with different stats and what they do with some room to be creative... That's totally gone now. the only thing better in retail is the graphics. if ai could have the retail models and animations but the gamedesign of classic - expanded upon. We'd have a pretty cool game.
"there is beauty in simplicity" well said. well said
When WoW first released in 2004, I was very young, but my parents played it quite a bit and I spent all my watching them. I was eventually allowed to create my own character play a limited amount during the burning crusade while being supervised, and I loved it. I never got past the mid 30s, not because I didnt play much but because I spent all my time wandering around high level zones and swimming in the undercity sludge and exploring the city. For me, the old wow was a very casual game. I spent most of WotLK making death knights, levelling to around 62 then making another because I found the starter quests so cool and spent the majority of later expansion taking over my parents characters (as they no longer played due to personal reasons) which was super cool to experience being a max level and levelling them to the new max. I never raided, and only did LFG dungeons from Wrath onwards, but WoW has so many casual elements that I loved, even in the so called hardcore expansions like the burning crusade.
You pretty much just described my childhood and it was so lovely to read! I had no idea what I was doing at 8/9 years-old, but you make your own fun just running about, exploring, seeing how the pretty stuff in the AH looks on your character, etc.
I've been out of town more than I've been home since classic came out and I'm still level 50 and loving it. Totally casual friendly. All my friends are 60 but I don't care or feel rushed
It's pretty crazy that so many people think classic is only for the hardcore, i've been casually leveling maybe 1-2 ours every other day if not every day and don't feel any need to rush to level cap. Alot of that is to do with the fact that in classic leveling IS the game, while in retail it's a minor chore.
Right there with you, homie!
Same, I just hit level 53 today. 60 eventually.
I’m been playing nonstop and I’m level 51 LOL
@MrGloon there are guys in guild that have 2 lvl 60. If you got time for it go for it.
I remember I was a freshman in HS I made a Tauren warrior I played this game in a mindless casual way I remember not using talents (lv17 still in Mulgore)until my brother who was another tauren hunter told me about them lol anyways they came to a point where I had everything a dungeon had to offer me so my brother and I joined a raiding guild as a player playing it for fun quickly became another job the people in charge had specific rules for everything like talents/positions/specific spell & attack combos so that casual mindset went poof and I quickly became an elitist douche as more and more raids wear added I became worse this game was always about exploring, reading or even roleplaying it was never meant to be played with an elitist attitude even Blizzard said that they didn't think this game would blow up so quickly so it was always meant to be played in a casual way take it slow and steady the game is not going anywhere enjoy the music enjoy the world we built and relief that stress smoke a joint and set it on cruise.
Dude....there was not a single period to be seen in this abomination of a sentence. What the hell is wrong with punctuation? People risk losing precious brain cells by reading this mess.
Other than that, yeah I am absolutely with you. Blaze.
I mean... you CAN still play the game chill. but at max level you won't find improvements for your gear unless you raid or hardcore PvP... if you're ok with that then be chill, maybe lvl an alt chill as well. maybe install a quest addon to show you where all quests are and tick off the ones you missed... just saying. just because there is a path of progression doesn't mean you need to take it to enjoy the game.
Cliffy took the words right outta my mouth.
Please please, use some periods and linebreaks. Otherwise I totally agree with everything you said!
Its *so* easy to walk that path that you describe. I have to constantly remind myself to slow down and enjoy the ride =)
Breath man....Breath!!
5:00 I am glad someone finally brought this up. The response of "Well then, just don't do X." That's not how a game like WoW works. Features in a game are not in a vacuum, but they affect everything else. Battlegrounds and Arena affect Wpvp. LFG affects Pugs. LFR affects Raiding. Mission Tables take away rewards from something else in the game that could have been better. Stop throwing out the same tired answer and think about how these different facets of the game affect each other. This is the WORLD of Warcraft, not "I'm on my own island and everything I do is independent of everyone else."
Whenever you log on, whatever little time you may have, even while only leveling, it always feels good and rewarding. In my mind, as you said, if you can only login on weekends and play a few hours but still feel part of the whole world and not left behind, is casual. Always gonna be people at your level, always fun.
The real problem is Retail puts these feelings of FOMO and inadequacy front and center to the player, to keep them playing and keeping them paying (for boosters, gold, cosmetics and WoW tokens). Sure there are probably loads of raiding guild who are way ahead of me, with players way ahead of my character progression and use mods to monitor and track that only guild members who play uber hardcore will be accepted into their guild/raiding. But in Classic none of that effects me if I choose not to be interested, I might however be interested tomorrow and in Classic I have a path towards progressing my character in that way, the same path everyone must take, and there are always more people joining that path. Not laughed at and assigned a boring grind of a catchup mechanic by the game's playerbase and developers alike in retail whilst raids and content are designated old, outgeared and left to rot by everyone, only playing the newest raid. Eventually if you try to do everything in retail you drown in trying to keep up, spending all your free time doing the same unengaging activities on 1 character, burning out to the endless demand that YOU MUST DO THIS EVERYDAY. Games are meant to be fun, being forced to run through the same checklist every day and week is work.
Agree
I don't agree at all. I feel like I'm getting nowhere in classic. I feel like I waste so much time doing things that don't add to the experience, like waking. I hate that I can't just finish a zone, that I have to keep bouncing between several wasting yet more time.
And I can already see the population crunch at level 60 happening as lower level areas are becoming dead and it's significantly harder to find groups to do elite quests. I've even had to resort to working with alliance (on a layered PVP server, I'm horde) to get them done.
You go to searing gorge or feralas and it's swarming with people all lvl 60, 24/7. Go to barrens and it's damn near a ghost town now.
@@eeguy77 dont know what server your playing on.. But barrens is still very busy for me. Maybe your logging on at the wrong times? Or your server is low population?
@@Ashleyscott580 my server is one of the heaviest pop servers. It still routinely has layers. The only time you see a somewhat decent amount of people in barrens now is Friday or Saturday night. Even then it's still way down. Cross realm phasing is busier.
Totally agree, especially about that there is so much stuff you "have to" do in retail it's not fun anymore. Not going back to retail... classic then TBC please
This guy gets it
Arena's woo!!
But before Classic fans said that Retail is for "casuals' and vanilla was for "hardcore" and now all of you are magicaly changing your opinion after you noticed is the opposite and still are with you stupid "fuck Retail" actitude. That's why i don't play Classic, it have many good things and many bad things, but Classic fanboys are a buch of hypocrites
@@rodrigobogado8756 That seems like a "you" problem.
If you aren't exalted with all factions and reps and don't have Winterspring mount and all world quests, don't say Classic is for Casuals because you probably are at 30% completion of the game even if you cleared MC/Ony
Madseason in the last month you’ve easily become my favourite youtuber. Tossing your videos on while grinding retail or classic is so relaxing. Love your sense of humour and the content is mint! Keep’er coming bro!
Perfect explanation. As someone who wants to be able to play casually on my down time, retail got too complicated and demanding. I felt like a how to quit my job just to keep up, so I stopped playing. Even now, it just seems like there are too many little details I'd want to experience within the game, but won't have the time to even try if I wanna participate in the current events. Classic is allowing me to experience the MMORPG again without the feeling so lost and behind. I'd rather spend 1 year leveling up and enjoying all the relevant content then playing the endgame content with all the friends I make on the way, than spend 1 month getting to the endgame content and spending the next year trying to keep up with all the dailies to stay relevant.
Great video. I'd have to say I'm probably more on the casual side of the spectrum, but only due to time restraints. Can't no-life 10 hours a day anymore, and have to juggle game time between work and family. All that said, I just hit 55. Back then when I DID no-life 10-15 hours a day, I didn't get close to 55 by this point. It took me probably 4-5 months to cap. I just didn't know what to do. I think I'm levelling well ahead of twice as quickly compared to last time. Likely be 60 and start end-game shenanigans in another week or so. And yeah - there's challenge that doesn't exist in Retail, but the biggest thing is that everything feels important, and thus I'm happy and looking forward to logging in, even if just to finish 2-3 quests, among all the travel time. If a casual like me can still, more or less, be ahead of the pack, it's certainly casual-friendly. I think I saw MC for the first time almost a year after launch - this time around, I'm on pace to get there just around the 2-month mark. It's just so good!
Ah perfect. A Madseason video to watch while I corpse run after being spawncamped on my way to just quest in felwood.
I don't see enough comments about how terrific your videos are. So perfectly paced and tightly written, with a great balance of information and humor. You make it look easy!
even though leveling is longer and "harder" in classic than retail, i would still say classic is more casual. That perfect example of the dailies and all that. When I was playing Warlords of Draenor, i felt like I had to log in and do all the dailies. Now in classic, I can just play. If I take a few days off, so be it.
Classic is so much more bring the class, while now, it is bring the player. They do not feel that much more different than each other now, classic, each class had it's own advantages and disadvantages.
Exactly. I love that druids may suck in pve dps, but dang they are fun to play and their utility is off the charts. I love doing a dungeon with a feral druid tank.
Feels like I've been waiting months for a video from you. What's wrong with wanting 2 videos 3 times per day from the greatest WoW YT'er around??
This is exactly how I feel, and this is the reason I quit "modern" mmorpgs. I came back for Classic and am there to stay.
"stay"
@Sightless_Seeker So what do you expect will happen with me once this so-called "nostalgia filter" wears off?
I didn't play any other MMOs before because they're all shit currently.
@Sightless_Seeker Ah, yes, certainly. I will :)
I actually helped an Alliance character with my Tauren character on the server I play on. I was even thanked, it was a rewarding feeling. I'm lucky I found a server with low saltiness.
Yes, very. No patches that adds new Ilvl and azerite farm
Technically P2 will add tier 2 to the game, but it will be a hell of a lot more fun farming BWL and honor than farming azerite pieces
just a patch that adds content, gear and rep farm
Every video, you manage to take information I already know and present it in a way that makes me excited
being casual isn't even a bad thing tbh. I guess there's people that don't consider it casual because the leveling seems hardcore compared to the speedy, brainless leveling that plague most modern MMO's lol
I'm not saying leveling in classic is the hardest thing in the world but with the mobs being tedious to kill at times it makes those gear upgrades during the leveling process feel good.
Fully agree, sure I'd love to be killing things a little faster but now I need to think about how I can do a quest. In retail, I could round up 3-4 elites and just kill them, with no real thinking...and to me, that's just not fun
it is casual, classic endgame is braindead, literally no actual mechanics
@@Archermit you can just aswell in classic lol, ive seen mages kill 20 elites of their own level at once pressing literally two buttons half afk, frost nova and blizzard
I'm really grateful for you man. I have trouble sleeping, but when I see you have a new video out I know I'll be sleeping like a baby.
''just dont fly then''
well I still havent done the stuff to unlock flying in WoD and legion... and dont make me start on Bfa
I feel you bro :D
Xpac ends and there's never any reason to go back to those places, so why bother to get flying?
Love your vids man. Started with famous and infamous. Your voice is so soothing and your pronunciation of words is immaculate. Keep up the good work man!
As long as there is no PVP system added yet to classic, I dont feel like I need to rush asap to 60.
Love the way you did this video! I get all excited when I see a new post from you. Keep making the great content!
I see new MadSeason video I click it, I’m a simple man.
You nailed what I have not been able to formulate. Retail makes you feel like you have to do stuff. Classic makes you find the stuff you want to do. You are not time crunched into doing things. This is one aspect that retail has lost me. I play games to relax. I don't want to stress about having to do a million things to keep up. I currently enjoy classic because I can take my time doing what I want.
I feel like it's hard to have a discussion here in this channel about retail or classic when you are such a hardcore classic streamer/youtuber. people here have such a strong "good" opinion about classic and a strong "bad" opinion about retail that I feel it's kinda meaningless to have a talk about it in the first place. I love retail and I love classic but I feel like people just like bashing retail now. (sorry for bad english)
no people don't like bashing for the sake of bashing.. what are you saying... but because people are simply not satisfied with it? What's so hard to understand about it. It sounds like you try to make the arguments invalid...
I personally never played classic era, and agree with all said here, cause when I tried the game, it all makes sense that was summarized in this video. And the stuff I don't like in retail is reflected here well, too. People say stuff for certain reasons!, ALWAYS, mostly not just for fun... If you feel like it's hard having a discussion here, then simply because you don't like being disagreed with, which is perfectly normal and fine. But maybe then, indeed you are in the wrong place. Simply let the people enjoy classic?? That's why there was such a huge demand for that game, and you can enjoy your retail. I don't remember I go to a retail channel ever after since. It's rather normal to prefer one game, no one urges you to come here. BTW: Subjectivity is a huge part of games and which you love... perhaps you should also reflect about that.
Like of course people here like classic? (at the time of this video) And if they don't like retail that's also their choice?
Again, it sounds like you don't want people to have an opinion, because it's not your opinion (here some not liking retail)
Who said this was ought to be a place to have a neutral discussion - preference is not neutral... So after all that you sound like a princess, TBH.
Then, when you feel ppl bashing retail, then perhaps you are not aware of how others like bashing classic.... So of course some people react more strong about it then!?! Perhaps here. But again especially cause it's normal to have an opinion, you don't have to like both. But also you can like both and still bash one! (Like Fanboys bash their own games alll the time... all the time. So of course... they also happen to bash your game while pointing out stuff they like which happens to be the other game but it might aswell be the same game! Mind blown) And FYI also Madseason does bash classic where it needs to be bashed btw...
So with all that in mind you should perhaps hear/read yourself speaking.
All That being said this streamer did a hell of a good job to stay objective and stating where its his opinion rather than a definitive result for everyone! He always preaches to get your own result... But that's just for his credit. I'm not saying that's a noble deed. It's simply cause he is a video maker adressing several people.
Your videos are always super relaxing, currently watching in the morning while drinking my coffee. Perfect!
My brother put it well, you get on classic to go on an adventure, you get on retail to do your chores.
Really good video, enjoyed it and you summed up the game nicely! Thanks for the treats on the ears with those choice retro songs too.
Vanilla can be as hardcore as you like or as little as you like. My main is a mage, I hit lvl 60 within the first 10 days, got my epic mount, 300 tailoring/enchanting/cooking/fishing/first aid. I'm an officier and raid leader in my guild. I'm a hardcore player. BUT: most of my guild is not but noone is pressured to put more time in than they're willing to because we wanted to make it a point. I know a lot of guilds like ours. We are not and we aren't competing with anyone. If you don't want to be part of "pro" guilds, there are alternativs for everyone. We waited so long for this game, why rush everything within a week or two?
"I hit lvl 60 within the first 10 days......We waited so long for this game, why rush everything in a week or two." What?? XD
@@aetherbeast1023 As I said, I'm not a casual player, at least when I'm on vacation xD There are many more people who didn't play vanilla for as long as I did and those folks should be able to play at their own pace. As of now, I'm leveling a priest together with my gf and we're doing sight seeing, reading quest texts etc while not having to worry about our mounts etc, which is kind of refreshing tbh ^^
I always love the music you use in your videos. Love that you brought Hot head Bop back again. Keep on rockin!
Wow classic can be played both casually and hardcore. It doesn't matter which way you play it, what matters is that you are having fun :D.
Classic isn't fun tho. It's just a dopamine feedback loop for people who have nothing better to do. How is it in anyway "fun"
I think it was worth mentioning in the "gearing" section that gear in classic is very different down to it's design... In that you can't just see a purple drop and have it automatically be an upgrade to your blue. The stats vary wildly on gear and you have to pay much closer attention to the stats on then and how the affected your character (and spec) to determine if it is actually an upgrade.
Hey Dad.
Brother?
Hello my son
Bro i love your videos they really help me sleep at night
I had the great idea of making a Ret Pally :(
Frizzlefry ah so you’re holy then ? 😂
Me too for leveling but at 60 holy is where its at 😁
Britt Car once I get to 60, yeah 😣
To be a ret pally you have to be a very likable person that people like being around and friends with. And a full blown extrovert my firend Tony is a ret pally in a good guild that gave him of eye of sulfuras and their already 40% of the way done getting the mats to get him the hammer. Pallys as a class are useful, but people have like you enough to carry you with you bad damage if you going ret.
I enjoyed your comparison and you make some good points. I'm a casual that is enjoying BfA a lot but I don't feel that pressure to gear up my character or to do content. Granted, I am way casual and I don't have a guild or anyone to try to compete with. I've been playing that way since I raided last in WotLK. I do like the comparisons you made however and while I haven't started playing Classic, you may have changed my mind. Thanks for a great video!
It's inevitable that butts will be hurt xD
your editing and sound/music choices are class A my man
:57 byyyyye. Rip whitecat22
A great honest comparison. Love the videos Mad Season. Keep up the good work!
Yes. My little brother has been playing since launch and has a 37 hunter - having an absolute blast!
Hunters are fun. I plan on playing one soon!
how is he not higher level as hunter
GOD his Soccer season just ended and was in full swing during launch.
I really enjoy your content. I've been playing consistently since Warlords of Draenor, so I'm not familiar with the game prior to that. Watching your vids gives me a good sense of the vibe for the game back in the day. Keep up the great work. Oh, and I love the Zelda, Final Fantasy, SNES, etc., soundtrack you have playing in the background.
16:50 ERP listed as content for hardcore players. M’kay.
what it's not?
Gotta grind in Goldshire
dude, i dont usually comment on peoples vids, but i just had to say i love ur content and i always look foward to ur new vids
"Do I realy want to pull those 2 Murlocs?"
NO! You don't. You pull 2 and 2 more will come out from the back and you die.
Yesterday i pulled 2 mobs in the Barrens, i killed then but then they respawned 5 times instantly.
Ivé survived and killed everyone but it was a very difficult fight with my shaman who was oom all the time :D
Me, a player who can slay several enemies at once not because its easy but because I have that kind of skill: *pulls 4 murlocs and abuses my CC*
"There's beauty in simplicity"
Yo. I've noticed that since Classic was released, you've begun to sound more relaxed or tired in your videos. Do you play so much that you don't get enough sleep? I hope you're okay. Best wishes!
*Just finished the video, you made a good case. I feel that whether Classic is casual friendly isn't as much a matter of opinion as it is about looking at the facts you presented. To some extent anyway.
Going back to Vanilla and why it was considered casual... You're right about the softer penalties on death, but also just the ability to level to cap solo on any class was pretty out there. Coming from EQ where only a couple classes could do that (assuming good gear... or playing Necro), or even Final Fantasy 11 which came out shortly before Vanilla, the idea of leveling solo easily was just crazy casual sounding. In 11 (at the time) most classes couldn't go past level 15ish without needing to group. I don't mean for group quests, I mean to progress at all. The only real 'solo' class was beastmaster, and you needed level 30 on another class to unlock that. At the time I feel the leveling solo idea was a huge part of what made it a casual mmo, and reshaped the genre as every game since adopted that formula. Good vid, glad Classic is back and I've had a good time playing it again. And watching stuff like this just talking about it.
Sorry for the offtopic,
This time the Background music a little too loud and sometimes annoying.
Otherwise love your videos
Casual is also a state of mind about the "game." I couldn't handle the end game hamster wheel so I quit entirely. The pressure I put on myself to not fall behind and "do it all" made logging on feel like the start of a long and not too enjoyable checklist. After a nine year hiatus I'm back playing classic with three different characters and when I want to play one I do. I still feel the old pull to "get one more thing done," but nothing compared to when it first trapped me in its web. One benefit is I've found quests and went to locations I never hit the first time around simply because I'm not in a rush. Great video
I mean, the game was originally made to be casual compared to other MMO's
ive waited too long for a new madseason video. thank you for uploading.
Seeing retail makes me sick. Thank god we have Classic now.
I very much appretiate your content, MadSeason! Thanks for your work. It's amazing! Greets from Germany.
"casual friendly" to me means more about time rather than difficulties. Classic wow just takes too much time to do anything. Raids and dungeons take ages. Casuals are more restricted by time rather than difficulties.
Time is absolutely the primary restriction of casuals! That's why I prefer to enjoy what little time I have and not stress about completing things. Since I don't have to keep up with anyone in classic, as a casual, I much prefer that to feeling like I'm constantly falling behind the curve in retail when I only have 3-5hr/wk to play. And if those hours don't line up with the evenings when more people are around, forget dungeons, and raids are a pipe dream. I get to play after work during a window from 8am-10am CT on two, maybe three week-days a week (never weekends), and never for the full two hour block. Going my own pace and planning my own adventure in Classic is so relaxing and enjoyable compared to just rushing through content that I have to rush through on repeat every single day/week on retail, all with nothing to show for it because I'm still so far behind everyone else I might as well not be playing.
It may take longer to do any given Thing in Classic, but I don't have to waste time doing all the upkeep chores (daily/weekly repetitive junk) before I can actually go do Things in Classic. I'm not locked behind rep grinds or resource grinds to progress my characters. Those things are optional. Classic is just a light and freeing breath of fresh air.
@@laner.845 I did scholo today. It took 30 mins to find a tank then it took another 15 mins for him to travel to the dungeon. He then decided to go afk for another 15 mins. So in total it took about 3 hours to do a scholo run for no decent loot to drop. It has happened a lot since I hit 60. There are just some time saving things classic really needs such as summoning stones outside, better flight path options and shorter corpse runs after death...
@@AshyView24 That's why you socialize and get a guild in MMOs. You are poisoned with the retail mentality to the last bit. If you have a list of friends and a guild, it won't take you more than 1 hour to run scholo in any case. And it is also another positive that dungeons take a bit of time in classic, since it creates at least some scarcity and scarcity makes things somewhat valuable.
@@serhangul7775 I agree with you in part. This was a guild run by the way I forgot to mention that. Even guild members can behave like this. I love classic over retail but just one or two time saving changes would make it perfect. No more changes. Just summoning stones outside would be great.
@@AshyView24 summoning stones wouldn't be game-breaking. The only concern I have about that is whether it would be the first step toward going right back to the modern LFG system but in Classic. "Well, you were fine with the summoning stones, so we figured you'd prefer the new system in the old game" and then worst case scenario we end up with Classic servers shut down because "sheesh, we implemented so many modern conveniences we figured you'd rather just play the retail version." It's obviously a HUGE step from stones to modern LFG, but let's not even give them a leg to stand on with excuses to implement that awful system.
And besides, if we do anything different, it should be guild banks, haha!
love the music accompanied by your calm voice. long time fan first time commentator
4:54 I cant really agree with you here, with the whole "optimize your character" thing. This has just become a thing people THINK is correct, when thats far from the truth.... Well, we can't model ourselves after the Top 300 guilds in the world that take every tiny little 0.01% upgrade they can, can we... Your weekly islands are good until youre neck 60-ish, so like 6 islands total. Other than that, dungeoning and raiding will do just fine. It did for me, rerolling just over a month ago and now progressing Ashvane M on that character. Lets go on a ramble;
Everything ties back into what you say at 7:35. Ever since WoD, maybe even Mists, leveling as been extremely quick, and you have been introduced to new spells/passives far quicker than you can actually deal with and learn as a new player. This inability to learn the game through leveling, like you would in classic, has created a wall at max level between casual players and even semi-hardcore players. Level boosts didnt help this situation. Hell, Blizzard has also fallen into a trap whilst doing this, creating unintentional interplay between certain abilities that there is no way to know is there unless someone tells you, or you do deep 3rd party studying.
For example; lets take a Havoc Demon hunter in the new patch, a simple spec in most peoples eyes. With Memory of Lucid Dreams (minor) in play you suddenly have alot more fury to play with. This shot up the value of Demonic Appetite, since you can chaos strike more.... And DA allows you to chaos strike EVEN MORE, making more soul shards. Did I mention there is an Azerite trait that decreases the cooldown of Eye Beam by 0.7 sec pr shard? Oh and it doesnt end yet, there is also a talent that grants you Meta for 8 sec after you Eye Beam, and ANOTHER Azerite trait that gives haste when you Eye Beam.... Get 3 of those and suddenly you have 3000 extra haste for 12 sec. That means more soul shards! Which ups the value of the CD reduction trait.... Did I mention you still have a free trait spot which *changes* depending on the content you do? Oh and forget about the talent that reduces Meta cooldown when you eat soul shards, its not ACTUALLY useful at all despite all I just said. Take the one that adds minor damage to your AoE ability that you will now use on single target in stead. Did I mention this class only has 3(4 with EB) rotational buttons?
See *how much bullshit* that is? Its far too much to keep track of for most people. This is why, in my opinion, classic is super casual friendly, even compared to BfA. You get *plenty of time to learn everything* , most abilities you get are situational, or do noticably less damage, so you can actually tell its worse than another ability. Any outside changes come from tier sets or is placed in clear simple green text on items. Your social skills should not be factored in to how "hard" it is to play classic, if you cant/wont join a guild, that has nothing to do with the game itself, same for retail.
Sorry about this overly long comment, I feel like people arent focusing on the core of problems with retail. It boils down to the leveling gameplay, and while trying to fix it, they added fuel to the fire.
Been playing classic for about 1 month now and I am having a blast. I quit playing WoW about 8 years ago or so and came back when they announced this was dropping.
This video pretty much sums up everything i thought about coming back to classic and being open to casuals.
Face reveal! When?
Still waiting for that Wrath of the Lich king video as part of the expansion pack video series. It's been 4 years dude.
I think it’s casual friendly, I can only play a few hours every weekend and I’ve made it to level 57 so far!
Gratz i'm only 33, i work too much ahaha
No you didn't. Even if you played 10 hours every weekend, the game's been out for 8-9 weeks. Jokerd leveled from 1-60 in about 80 hours. You're telling me you're lvl 57 at around the same time (or less) than the fastest lvl 60? Unless you're a godlike player abusing most "fast-leveling" methods, aka not questing, you're not 57 in "a few hours every weekend". At least be honest.
Blank I am honest lmao I work 50 hours a week. And do in fact have a level 57 priest would you like a picture or? 💀
I also no don’t quest I play with my husband and spam dungeons
@@MikasaaOW You might but it's not "casual". Spamming dungeons is extremely boring, tryhard and quite hardcore to level.
Having played classic for a month I absolutely loved the hell out of leveling from 1-60, getting into dungeons that require attuning, going on insane quest chains etc. If TBC gets a re-release sign me the F up 👍🏻
It's embarrassing how easy games are now.
recent subscriber here, really enjoy your videos and style dude! keep up the good work!
it's casual friendly until you get to 60, when you need to join a guild... if you are a rogue, forget it, you ain't getting a raid spot with ANY guild unless you are setting one up with friends
same for me as a warrior dps i entered 4 differenet guilds and they give item to their friends although i always top the chart 🤣🤣
they say gear doesnt matter but still reserve them somehow lol i really trying to enjoy the game but the community is toxic or stupid idk they tell u that u get item depending on performance and u do ur best and top the dps meter then they say no thats not how it works wtfffffff
@@sulimanz7067 The guild is toxic for sharing loot and not giving it to just the top dps? You are the toxic one.
Much better gearing process in classic than any other mmo. I love the fact that a full raid of 40 has to split up only a handful of drops per boss. It makes items like thunderfury actually impressive and rare. It is nice when only a dozen people in the server have a certain item due to its rareness, makes getting those items and full tiered sets much more rewarding.
When i sit down i can just play overwatch without needing to grind, it's entirely skill based. Classic wow would require hundreds even thousands of hours for a single character to be maxed out level and gear wise.
It's like DND. The grind is the game. You start of failing to skin critters then down the road you're facing Ragnaros, Nefarion and C'thun
Yeah but Overwatch and WoW are completely different genres of games. This is more of a comparison between classic wow and battle of Azeroth.
@@MDDwarf that doesnt matter to the vast majority of gamers
Love the battletoads and double dragon music!
Casual playing - log in anytime I want for however long I want and still be able to do whatever I want.
Classic - everything takes stupid amount of time and is usually incredibly tedious. From leveling to preparing for raids.
=> Not casual friendly.
This video feels like it's comparing casual play in Classic to min/max play in BfA and that's just wrong. You don't need to do every WQ, every emissary... every everything at all. A lot of guilds don't even run normal raids or like only once or twice then just HC and after HC is cleared they run only mythic and HC only as optional and/or to gear alts. So the whole broken record argument "you have 4 raid difficulties" is a moot point. And LFR? Please...
I am playing Classic for about 6 weeks and I am 39 lvl. I can play approximately 1.5h a day for 4 days in a week. I am already getting burnt out from how slow and boring the leveling is (not hard, it's not hard at all...). "But Classic is all about the journey" yeah F that. I've leveled multiple times so I don't care about exploring the world and whatnot. I know the world. I just want to reach the start of the game - getting 60 and begin preparing for raids.
What I can do in 1.5h in Classic? Log in, conjure consumables, do 2-3 quests. This takes like an hour because of the nonsensical abyssmal drop rates on quest items and/or having to wait for mobs to respawn... the rest is just boring traveling in between. And that's on normal realm so I don't have to worry about alliance trying to embiggen their dicks by killing lower levels. It would be way worse on a pvp realm. And I am a mage so I have a little advantage in traveling, so...
I agree with the first part of classic being more hardcore than BfA. Also the video idd compares casual classic playstyle to hardcore BfA playstyle. Because you can have sense of urgency in classic too, even with 2 raids and only 1 difficulty mode. You still feel behind if you don't finish them each week. You have to get consumables in time ready for raid else you feel behind compared to those who has all consumables for raid days. You have to get your BiS ASAP else you feel behind etc.
However, I don't get why you complaining about leveling in classic. It is clear that if you lack time for playing then this game shouldn't be a part of your life. My advice is to stop playing classic altogether if you only have 1.5h each day or you should manage time better. If you can, you should play 1 day per week. Sum up that 1.5h per day 4 days a week. If you play 1 day a week for 6h you should be able to level and later gearing up more consistently. I remember when I leveled back in 2004, I only could play on saturday evenings, so what I had was max rested char and I was pulling of 2 levels each session. That way you won't feel like you are doing nothing. Rested experience is crucial if you don't have all the time in the world to play, but if you log in daily and even play 1.5h I don't think you will ever get one and a half level worth of 200% xp.
Dude your music is always on point. Battletoads Double Dragon!?
Those first 12 million players must of thought so... until they made it "too" casual after Cataclysm...
I playd wow from vanilla till cata without long breaks. Cata made me quit the game in 2 weeks.
Your music choices are always so fucking good.
I'm constantly thinking on quiting my job Just to be able to reach 60. That's How casual looks like.
u look 11
Had a day holiday day today, and honestly, sitting playing WoW all day on a Monday had me thinking this exact same thing. What if I just quit and played WoW for a few months straight?
@@Spamhard thing is: If l do that I'll won't have the means to pay the bills. Life isn't fair, right?
@@vivianmendespaioli7740 But if you pay your bills *then* quit, you'll have a solid month of WoW before you get start missing payments and lose everything. Might be worth it.
Thanks dude, after watching this video I joined the Classic community and I love it. So much more fun than retail. Thanks for your inspiration.
There is nothing casual about classic.I'm a casual and this game is tedious as all hell and boring.
Really well said, and really well made conclusion. Credit were credit's due.
I'm actually surprised there are still dailies in modern games, feels so oldschool and chore-ish.
There is nothing worse to your fun than a ton of daily obligations - as explained, no must, but having that feel of falling behind drastically when not doing them, instead of playing it in your own time and simply play the content that you are interested NOW. Also... you can't say Dailies foster limitation, when they are so many and take up a lot of time... Even with few time,,, especially more then, I don't want to do dailies! Cause it would be the same thing all over... and having even less time for the stuff you actually want to do. Instead of , "hey today I feel like ramping up my gathering skills - let's just do that." I feel progressing were I want is much more fun.
And it's a great point, maybe you need more overal time to level up in classic. But it's simply part of the game, play each weekend a little bit, for a great adventure - not even a must. (before raiding, but then the only weekly is the raid, nothing else!). That's casual!
Through leveling and similar it simply offer's to be played for longer but very casually. I wouldn't even say seeking some help or searching a team during leveling isn't casual, it's actually a very natural thing that is fun and part of the game play. Every casual can do that, since it's an innate skill of you as a human! The leveling certainly isn't hard or unforgiving, you simply need to get used to it a little - perhaps after you got used to the more modern games that spoonfeed you everything. After you find that lookingi at the mob level and area helps, to not get too strong enemies, it will be much better.
A little not-super-ez mode can reward looking into the actual features of the game such as crafting, or herbs for instance. Or a little trading here or there to buy some potions maybe. Adding depth. Exactly what blizz advertised the game for: An epic journey to look back on.
PS: I'm not a classic guy, but when I played it, I felt really, wow this is all so greatly done. It's a really good game. It only takes time. But that's why it's an MMO with sub costs right? You play it for longer and hopefully without a feel of stress or chore!
(which could only be coming through external means - if there is nothing ingame wanting you to, such as no dailies)
I totally get why people sticked to wow (in release) so long.
But today's people are different, especially through media (websites, yt, live-streams), the minmax pves lurking forums cause they are passionate about it so you meet those guys most, or the hardcore pvpers, cause that's the nature of pvp: hardcore and competition. I think when I tried this game, I simply went into a BG mid leveling, perhaps spend some res on a few enchants, and rocked, even though I was new, I just had fun and that's how I improved.
- Contrary, today you would be shout at for not preparing properly, and so on. Not really casual friendly or gamer-ish.
It's an MMO - and based on the people.
And with that we can conlude: Today's communities are much less casual friendly, and back then it was casual friendly. THUS: THe game back then was rather casual friendly, but today's game less so! Especially when devs don't remove such chore-ish features such as dailies and other "obligations"...
I have to admit. I was worried, that it was really just a nostalgia, which attracts me to the game. I don't have that much time I had 10-15 years ago. So I play it just when I have a time and I fu**ing love it. Just few hours, do some quest, skill up my professions, travel, explore...I am right now lvl 40 but I love the journey - and that is the point. Classic is about journey.
And btw keep up the great work Madseason!!
This video introduction is synonym of quality content
I am a pretty casual player, I started playing WoW for the first time in my life like a month ago. I am still only level 17 so far, because I get sidetracked by all the weird shit I can do and at level 4 I found myself at Orgrimmar looking for a guide to Tarren Mill so I could fish better fish(and was promptly told to go back to my beginner zone of UC to level up). I love it so far!
This is pretty much the perfect summary of how I feel. Thank you for putting this into words :)
loved the music on this one 💖
Always an instant like for my boy MadSeason before I even watch the video. It’s always great stuff!
It sums down to the leveling experience.
I have a lvl 81 rogue. I have this character since MoP, I mostly played with him for 2 months in 2015 and 2 months in 2016, he has almost 7k pvp kills - I got a good amount of pvp achievments with him - and the profession is almost on par with his level, it was, by far, the best experience I had with WoW even thought I did some end game content in Cataclysm and Wrath of the Lich King.
Decided to finally get into wow myself yesterday, I've wanted to now for several years always feeling I had missed the boat and such. Although classic seemed like a golden ticket to experience everything I missed out on so how could I resist? rolled a Orc shaman playing on Mankrik (NA) hope to see some of yall out there!
Yet another out of the world video
Can't describe the feeling everytime a new video is out
I play around 1 hour a day and started in the weekend, currently lvl 15 but dont feel rushed at all, really enjoying the game and just chilling/taking it in.
Totally agree with the point about negative impact on the guild / social side with the advent of LFR.
This is why Ilike Madseason. You clearly have a preference, and that's totally fine, but you're very respectful to retail and people who enjoy it where other people wouldn't be. Mad respect.