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To be fair DnD Shorts did apologize for confirmed disinformation in his last video, he is just reporting to the best of his ability to give the DND community the most transparent look at the billion dollar company that tried to steal away creators rights. He is doing a great job and I really appreciate it.
He needs to make a video addressing it. Not just a pinned YT comment. He’s also been holding a big alleged expose video like a carrot on a stick for a week straight, to get views
@@Nemhyz He did apologize as a significant part of his last video, and his expose is being reviewed by multiple sources in order to ensure no further information gets spread. It seems to me he promptly followed up and reported on that, did his mea culpa, apologized in multiple arenas and is doing due diligence to ensure the expose is accurate.
I watched that video... He did sort of hand-wave away the fact he wasn't fact checking what he was told from an anonymous source.
But then he's not a journalist, just a bloke with a video camera and no razor. :)
@@Nemhyz You mean the expose that has had to go through his sources, contacts, and lawyers to make sure he gets it right (nevermind actual editing, which can take a LONG time) in the first place....that now, due to the recent occurrences, has to go back and double-check and be revetted and possibly reshot and edited? That video?
Tell me you don't know anything about production without saying you know nothing about production.
He did. I saw the same.
At this point, if WOTC told me grass was green I would have to go outside and check. They have zero credibility.
Well, grass really can be other colors! Yellow for example!
Well, I don't know about that. Based on what they have been doing lately, I think they would have "High" credibility as to the color of grass. Get it, "High" credibility. Bah dump Ching.
Exactly!
@@thomasrobinson7416 ngl u had me in the first half
Nah it's blue haven't you heard?
DND Shorts admitted he made a mistake and was not clear on what he was saying and made a misleading statement and that he was sorry to the staff at WOTC who make the product because he displayed them in a bad light and didn't mean too. Honestly I found it very nice to see someone take the blame and apologize because we all make mistakes.
That’s one of two such apologies we need from this situation, now we wait for the WotC execs.
And to be fair, he didn't even put the dev team itself in a bad light. In that video he said they were denied the surveys and community feedback even when they directly asked for it, so it always landed on the executive team anyway.
@@fernandobarbosa9727 I think it was more wording lead some to believe it was the dev team not interested in the surgery’s I got what he meant but I know I saw other yt videos repeating it like that and so I get him correcting it
If it was a mistakr why didnt he take the videodown?
@@mysticolored Because he had a lot of truthful info too and its for accountability. Not deleting it and running away shows he knows he made the mistake and is willing to face it.
Don’t forget D&D shorts has tried his best to bring this to light to help save the game from a company I trust less than than a frayed rope over a cliff. So thank him don’t throw him under a bus
DnD shorts has been fighting tooth and nail for the community, the only mistake that he’s ever made in all of this was a misunderstanding that is actually very minor when you look at it critically. When he realized the mistake he made he publicly apologized and admitted that he was wrong, going so far as to show the entire conversation that he had with the person and explaining what he got wrong. He has my complete support and respect for everything that he’s doing. Godspeed DND shorts
Dnd shorts is only human and made a slight mistake, he corrected it on multiple platforms. He drew the wrong conclusion from right information. I stand by him and thank him for all his work.
Hardly "Huge UA-camr Scandal" what a bullshit title.
👍👏
I especially stand by him given that he went forward with an open admission that HE had made a mistake and correcting it with more accurate information. That's how EVERYONE should act when they make a mistake, yet few people or organizations do. Most specifically, WotC recently.
I stand by Dnd shorts. I think He is working with what he has in good faith.
Ditto
What did DnD Shorts have to gain in lying about this? Compared to what WoTC have to gain claiming it's all bs and misinformation. If nothing was officially released WoTC can change anything behind the scenes.
Agreed. He worked with what he had, and as soon as he saw there was a mistake he addressed it.
"good faith". EXACTLY. Something that's missing from the the Lichs of the Loch.
@@bl00dywelld0neman if only a certain corporation could do that instead of weaseling their way out
My personal fury has diminished. Not because I forgive WotC but rather because I've already decided to throw all my support behind content produced under the ORC license and perhaps even produce some myself. DnD Beyond could charge 30$ or pay 30$ and it wouldn't make a difference to me.
Yeah, I feel ya. At a certain point, we should just move on- make our personal decisions about about this mess and start walking towards it.
So where WotC has already been trying to get their way quietly, quickly, without consulting the fanbase at large, then being quiet for so long, then lying and gaslighting about it... What's left? Why still give them another chance? How many more do we give them?
My group read up on the pathfinder rules and we've decided we like it more. In our eyes, WotC is now just as bad as Games Workshop and just aren't worth our time.
Already bought the pathfinder bestiary, monster codex, and the core rules are on the way.
Yeah, I’ve already given up on D&D. I’m waiting on ORC.
Even if WotC have changed their tune, they've revealed their character, and this is not easy to change at all. Now we're at the phase where the bad guy is pleading, and saying they regret it, that they've changed, so we turn our back before they stab us in the ass.
I'm not going to be so quick to demonize DnDshorts considering it was already a big risk to be a whistleblower in the first place. I stand by his actions and still believe that the higher ups are corporate ghouls.
WoTC have been telling bare faced lies about the OGL 1.0a and its intent, so this is rich coming from them.
And about the OGL 1.2 and the leak that released it. They're still calling it a 'draft' that they wanted 'feedback' from, with a contract to sign in secret with a date of effect that's already passed and no form or forum for feedback.
Why on earth would we believe anything WotC says?
👍👍👍 Indeed.
To anyone attacking DnD Shorts and other creators: What are you doing to help then? These guys are trying to help us, it's kind of a dick move to rake them through the coals and give WOTC a free pass.
I've seen people who now side with WOTC due to all this that's come out about DND Shorts. It won't be long until most people just accept what they want.
I see a hint of petty behavior coming from this content creator. This is a disrespectful video. Creator didn't hold back. But that's okay. This video will reach a lot of eyes and drag subs away with it. Bad move indeed.
I think we need to focus on the non-revocability of OGL 1.0a. They have no legal right to withdraw it & its licenced content from use. They can't kill it unless we let them.
Maybe not, but they can still drag people to court nonetheless. And in contrast to them most people (aka the small publishers) simply don't have the money to fight that kind of legal battle even if they'd win eventually.
Even worse - all the current discussions about what can and cannot be copyrighted is actually missing context:
They are all focused on US law and US law alone. That's a big problem when talking about releasing content on the internet that can end up in other countries because US copyright law doesn't mean anything in other countries. Copyright laws differ by country. Even if WotC cannot win a legal battle in the USA are you really sure that they cannot win it anywhere on the planet? Without knowing the exact copyright laws of all 200+ countries?
Not to mention that the same is also true for the OGL itself - even if it is non-revocable in the USA (which is likely but in the end still unclear according to several lawyers commenting on the topic) doesn't mean that this is also the case in every other jurisdiction.
All in all it might really be the better option to just walk away from D&D and publish stuff for other games that are supporting the new ORC once it is finalized.
@@HH-hd7nd It's actually a Contract issue not a copyright issue. I teach Contract & Copyright in England, but I think US Contract Law (really the Laws of the 50 States) is likely just about the most favourable to WoTC they could hope for. They definitely don't want to be sueing in a Civil Law jurisdiction where their bad faith conduct would count much more heavily against them.
@@HH-hd7nd 9(e) The license and all matters relating to its interpretation and enforcement will be governed by the laws of the State of Washington, and any disputes arising out of or relating to this license will be resolved solely and exclusively through individual litigation in the state or federal courts located in the country I which Wizards (or any successor) has its headquarters, and the parties expressly consent to the jurisdiction of such courts. Each party hereto irrevocably waives the right to participate in any class, collective pr other joint action with respect to such a dispute.
Sounds like they're trying to nip that in the bud by saying you HAVE to go by Washington State law. Also, giving themselves wiggle room to move to a more corporate friendly state if at any time the judges decide against them.
@@growingsage That's impossible. It might be referring to the laws of different state laws within the USA, however US laws have no relevance at all in other countries.
If for example a legal dispute happens between WotC and another party in Germany they have to go to court in Germany and it is German law that is applied, not US law.
As someone who playtested for 4e and "Next" I can confirm that back then WotC *did not* actually pay attention to any survey feedback. They only use it to measure a magnitude of engagement, not any test of quality.
As someone who actually has training in survey and test design I can also tell you that their entire survey design is Garbage In and Garbage Out. They do not ask the questions necessary to learn anything meaningful and instead just muddy the waters and interpret it however they want.
When did yhe playtest for the 4e happened?
@@Dracobyte It was an ongoing process, both internally and externally. I was involved with the playtesting of the Psionic Handbook. We discovered all of the problems with the power point system that Mike Mearls designed before the books were released but Wizards decided to print and ship the book without changing the system at all.
Basically, they only pay attention to internal playtest feedback, and sometimes, not even then! The surveys are just there to measure how engaged their customers are, the questions themselves are almost nonsense to them.
@@BenjaminReinhart oh, very interesting. In which year did all this process took place?
@@Dracobyte The content we tested ended up in the third Player's Handbook and the playtesting was happening at the end of 2009 and beginning of 2010. I remember feeling a little betrayed when we learned that the book was coming out in March and none of the problems we uncovered would be addressed in time.
@@BenjaminReinhart thanks for all the useful information!
it's so fascinating to me that people are so quick to blame/discredit dnd shorts and other youtubers even though they knowingly put their reputation on the line to be outlets for whistleblowers, and immediately used WotC's terminology.
methinks some tomfoolery is afoot amongst some people in the community who seized on this so quickly, and/or the whistleblower was purposely fed misinformation from another department OR wotc is just lying about their plans
the other factor her is that many, many people are really eager to seize on any excuse to say "see! it's not that bad! phew!"
Because PR Crisis Management firms when hired by companies like WOTC know what exactly they are doing.
My basic and very simple question is "WHY THE F*** SHOULD I BELIEVE WotC/HASBRO?!?!?!"
@@JacksonOwex exactly this lol. and all these, frankly, astroturfed statements from "real people" i.e. current and ex employees? how do people not see this? Discourse brings this up in video: they try to focus on specific stuff that might be a purposely seeded as misinfo, but they dont address THE CORE ISSUES
very, very telling
I was just about to say this. This really seems like a clever way for WotC to divert attention from the stuff that was accurately leaked about their BS with the OGL and look for any reason for people to turn against those that are trying their best to bring awareness to their misdeeds. Because we already know how some people think: if one thing was proven false, then it must all be false. Internet mobs lack nuance most of the time. Besides, at the rate things are going, I'm absolutely certain that if Wizards wanted to, they can and will raise subscription prices without any resistance. And I would put money on it that as soon as the OGL controversy "dies down" and is no longer the outrage of the month, they will do just that. All they're doing is evolving into better liars.
Yeah, it seems like it's not impossible that Hasbro is paying other people to sink their biggest critics, such as D&D Shorts.
Yeah, this is WAAAAY overblown, as you've said. I've seen plenty of conversations where Shorts is really dragged through the mud, even using strong arguments such as "He also gets D&D rules wrong". Brilliant.
I absolutely don't think he's a bad-faith actor. We shouldn't forget that we are all in the dark here. The only party that has full information is WotC/Hasbro
WotC has bungled this badly. I can no longer trust them. Neither Hasbro nor WotC will receive another dime from me going forward. I'm not going to see the film either.
At the point when the rpg community called out DnD Shorts, Nord Immersion and Ginny Di to be canceled for spreading misinformation, I asked if everyone can't make mistakes and think the information they're telling is true before it turns out to be misinformation. Especially when there is so much information in circulation that it is no longer easy to distinguish from the massive flood of information what is true and what is not. I don't think DnD Shots, Nerd Immersion and Ginny Di did anything wrong, they made just a normal common mistake which anyone could have done and they don't deserve to be cancelled.
"$30 was misinfo. It's $29.99 plus tax."
- WotC penciling that in over what they just erased.
$29.99 is not $30. If D&D Shorts acted in good faith (and everything says he did) then they did nothing wrong. In fact, they were the biggest victim of this false information.
Roll For Combat has handled the OGL nightmare quite well. They've done interviews with attorneys and an interview with one of the original OGL creators.
I highly recommend them.
I think you're right. How did they go from being tone-deaf to, as you said, cunning and careful in a New York minute? PR firm would explain that.
Wizards of the Hasbro deserves any extra hate they get. There has been no misinformation released by DnDshorts that is worse than what Wizards of the Hasbro has already done. He already apologized for the ONE mistake he made while REPORTING on their shenanigans. It's unfortunate that a tiny bit of hate splashed onto the devs, but seriously they're working for Hasbro. They have golden handcuffs and have to live with the fallout of that
"We would like to reassure the public that we do not take the prisoners out of their cells and race them... anymore."
-Chief Wiggum
Great video. Don't let WotC control the narrative. It's such a small thing to latch onto , it's obviously a distraction. I will never give WotC anymore of my money, they're dead to me. I stopped playing MtG after almost 20 years of playing because of their obvious lack of caring about the players, they just wanted to target the fools who will consume any content as long as it says Magic. I started DnD in 1991, left at 3.5e and came back just a little over a year ago. I was excited to rebuild my lost DnD collection, but I have the core books and PDFs of everything I intended to also buy, but will not now. So even when this is over WotC, and Hasbro by extension, can go the way of the American auto industry when it thought it had a captive consumer base as well. Fuck corporate greed-pigs, just the high percentage of sociopathy and psychopathy in the upper echelons of the corporate hierarchy should be enough for people to stop thinking that these companies care about out opinions. They will just try to distract, and then wait until the fervor dies down and try this all over again.
Totally Agree Jamie, I recently came back to DnD 5E after a long break since 3.5E, I heard about OneDnD and just by the sounds of it you could see trouble coming. I'm done with WotC. I'll support the 3rd Party Publishers but don't need DnD the computer game.
@@andreweast410 Yes, when DnD Beyond sold out, I knew we were screwed. I told people as soon as I heard, they will steal content and sell it. I got told I was being crazy. And look at where we are now. Sometimes being right sucks.
You left at the wrong time. 3.5 was the best and was evolved into Pathfinder 1e, the best version of 3.5, which I'm still on.
@@jrytacct 3.5 was ok. Coming from ADnD 1st/2nd Editions, it felt like a over simplification and took a lot of the challenge away from me. I like 5e, but you have to be negligent to not survive. They've all but removed the chance of death or general failure. Which is nice for new players, it keeps things smooth running. But I like challenge, I want there to be real chances of loss. Yes, we could homebrew it, but if I have to alter it to make it workable for me, then why use that system at all?
I also started in D&D 1e, but Pathfinder 1e is my definitive edition at this point. 2e was definitely feeling stale to me by the late 90s and 3e was mostly good when it came out. It just needed some polishing, which Paizo provided.
I watched Roll for Combat who have people who worked for WOTC and people lawyers who even helped draft the OGL, they said surveys are used to get us off of reddit and other platforms along with us not contacting them directly, however they said with this disaster they probably would and read and filled out the survey online. This is still WOTC grasping at straws they need a win at all costs.
The real problem with this new survey they might or might not take into account is actually not if they really read the stuff or not. The problem is that only people who are subscribed to D&D Beyond can participate.
@@HH-hd7nd not true it's a a 3rd party survey as I took it. My comment survey is invalid until theysay do not revoke and ORC.
We can at the very least surmise DND Shorts didn't report in bad faith. When it was made apparent he had reported some misinformation, he apologized as quickly as he could. Unlike a certain Hasbro/WoTC, and they quite frankly screwed up by orders of magnitude worse than DND Shorts, in every conceivable way. So it's kinda rich they'd try and say "Nuh-uh, that's not true." Meanwhile they're still trying to assert 1.1 was merely a draft. Cuz, ya know, it's standard procedure to issue a draft with a contract, and a deadline for compliance attached to it. /s
Glad you're well, missed your dulcet tones and sharp wit. This two week has been a nightmare for a lot of gamers, I think that newer folks to ttrpg don't get what the fuss is about or simply don't care, but a lot of us see "the bad old days" returning.
Considering that Will apologized for misrepresenting what he was told, and what he was told was repeated practically verbatim by current WotC designer MakenzieLaneDA (the leads, the people making the decisions, read summaries), I'm going to say every one of them that crawled out to discredit this and has had nothing else to say on the subject just decided they are best served by being on the *other* side of this fight.
Yeah.... Shorts corrected himself as quickly as possible. He's acting in good faith - unlike Wizards.
I hate that clickbait thumbnail trying to vilify DnD Shorts
I like Discourse but I agree that is a low blow. Most folks won’t take time for full understanding.
Yeah, thumbnail coulda been better...
So glad the algorithm served up your channel. Love it. Great content, solid points, love seeing you tap past professional xp, and at the risk of being a tad inappropriate, (as an American) I dig your accent…not to mention clown outfit. Thank you for your work here! I wish you all the success.
Much appreciated!
I turned my weekly gaming group on to your channels. You’re right up there amongst our other favorite channels!
Regardless of the accuracy of what was reported, this feels like a classic divide and conquer tactic. Turn the focus on someone in the community to take the heat off themselves.
Great video as always. DND shorts did make a mistake but actually owned up to it and apologized. We all screw up but owning up to it is the important part.
I don't hold this whole thing against DnDShorts at all. To me, he's put out some of the best DnD content over the past year or so and he has definitely been one of the best and important voices over the past month with everything going on. Did he put out information that might be incorrect to some degree? Seems like it and he apologized for it. But in the grand scheme, what he put out there was pretty harmless and is nothing compared to the blatant and egregious lies that WotC have put out recently. Until the new OGL is finalized and we see everything is writing, I do not and will not believe a single word that WotC says.
Absolutely. As a lawyer who's used to spotting the "gators in the swamp," I think his analyses of the OGL "drafts" and excuses from WotC have been spot-on and the best I've seen from anyone.
People reading all those quotes and retweets, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm only seeing WotC's staff mentioning specifically UA when saying they do read the surveys and feedback.
If that's indeed as far as it goes, then DnD Shorts was only around 1% wrong, since it excludes feedback regarding all their officially released content that didn't go through UA first.
Exactly correct. Divide and conquer is an ages old management technique. WOTC would love nothing more than to split the opposition, and won’t miss any opportunity to do so. People just need to ask themselves which is more likely; WOTC really cares about its players, or views them exclusively as wallets. Keep in mind they are owned by Hasbro, a major corporation. That should help keep minds focused, because the answer is obvious. Don’t fall for WOTCs “poor me” protestations.
Dude. He already put up a video explaining how the info wasn't properly explained to him. And if you're a multibillion dollar company and try to discredit a youtuber vs. Just ignoring him..... well thats enough information I need to know who's in the wrong
I just like how everyone has become lawyers with D&D now.
Months ago, I quit MTG Arena, because I felt it was rigged. After reading the terms and agreements, I read a clause that says “Cheating, bots , hacks, devices that give advantages over others players is strictly prohibited unless WotC gives authorization.” 🤔
So cheating is ok if WotC says its ok.
AI DM's are an obvious idea. While gaming with real people will always be best, the ability to say, "hmm... I have some unexpected free time." and fire up a quick game is amazing. Yes, it's a hybrid between real tabletop and a video game.
But I doubt WotC will be the only game in town.
My main hope for AI GMs is that they funnel all the problem players to those groups where they can languish together. The Creeps who hit on everything. The Main Character Syndrome people. The jerks who are "only playing their character". Let them keep one another company and leave us be!
As far , as am aware . WOTC hasn't released any kind of official video on the topic. If anyone, is aware of one. Please, let me know. Most UA-camrs are pretty good about this. So, I believe there not to be one.
So, my choices for information here. Is to stay in the dark with no information. Or get secondhand information from UA-cam that may or may not be true. WotC may not believe this. But, silence has a voice.
Given that Linda Codega only quoted WOTC in their coverage of ogl 1.2 lately, and is saying on Twitter we should give up on 1.0a and if we engage with WOTC bargain in good faith (even tho WOTC isn't), it is dangerous to only limit ourselves to only that info which has a name or an established news source attached to it. We have a situation when WOTC has numerous advantages over information, and people who are new to this sort of thing are only now starting to learn how to assess leaks and how to report information. The abuse and vilification of DnD Shorts i have seen online, when by all accounts he was transparent throughout, gives WOTC, which has no transparency, more ability to control the conversation and flow of information.
So that's why I have stood up against the vilification of DND shorts, in the interest of supporting unity among everyone fighting wotc right now, and for everyone to continue to be skeptical about what we hear, including statements from designers who to date have been silent on the ogl issue.
so we have a corporate entity that we know tried to screw us over in order to make money, and we have a youtube creator who made one small mistake in his information while trying to be as transparent as possible and who apologized for that mistake and didn't hide from it... yeah, i'm gonna stand with dnd shorts on this one
This is what I predicted about a week ago, when Critical Roll published their stance on the whole drama and it wasnt confrontational enough for the DND comm in general. The statement of CR was shred to peaces by a big chunk of the comm. And now a lot of players also jump on DND shorts... Wizards got exactly what they aimed for when they started to buy time first with radio silence and now by beating around the bush with halfassed apologies and twisted and torn new setups for a new ogl... They aimed for the comm to get somehow distracted or loos interest of the whole ogl drama so Wizards can implement what they initially wanted.
A very big part of the community seems to just not care for the actual ogl problem, but just for the shitshow and drama itself and if they smell an opportunity to prolonge the drama by aiming at channels/people like DND shorts, they absolutely will do that. A disgustingly big part of this community is just a big bunch of posers that ride the trend-train which DND became over the last 5 years due to a lot of ttrpg-channels getting really big on Yt and of course Critical Roll.
Problem for WoTC is that at some point DnD will cease to be fashionable and they'll lose these poseurs as they move on to the next fad, leaving them with, after alienating so many players, a much much smaller customer base.
@@jamesbloggs8937 Sure thing.
I've worked in companies with so called survey, ultimately if it supports executives perception it's accepted, if not rejected. In other words, corporations are about money only but they will play the long game where they win and you lose.
DNDShorts put out another video recently reviewing ALL the leaks he's gotten and that have been confirmed from multiple insiders. This time he actually put up the text and read it verbatim (even if it may be a curated selection, probably for brevity). He's being more careful now about how he presents the information, but he's not backing down. And I don't blame him.
Why would I even waste energy on being mad at dnd shorts? The mistake happened and was admitted.
WotC is trying to get rid of the ogl and they want the conversation to be focused on “how to improve it”
No change to the ogl at all! (Unless they want to specify that it’s irrevocable)
Kickstarter made a deal with WotC to reduce the compensation from 25% down to 20%. You do not sign a contract that is a draft, you do when it is fully completed document and with lawyers. On record WotC declared D&D as under monetized, and the new OGL spelled that out.
WotC tried a similar, though slimmed down version for 4th Edition. This got enough backlash that it pretty much created their own competition in Paizo’s Pathfinder. Technically, their new OGL in its original form would have had sweeping access to 5e material. One D&D (6th edition) was to have this new OGL baked in.
Whether they walk back on what they started, stand their ground, make some concessions or not, WotC past, current, and future plans are spelled out. Lets also point out that each of these drafts/real legal documents ALL contain language that allows them to make future changes.
I simply can’t, in good faith, support the company anymore. And I do feel sorry for the devs who mast likely had no say or control in the matter. This completely reeks of corporate, not truly understand understanding the product, lay down the new rules.
I agree 1000%. Much respect to you, DnD shorts & to the whole community. Like you said, lets keep our eyes on the prize & stay united. 1 Love.
#Opendnd #DndBegone #BoycottDnD
Orc & Black Flag all the way!
Can we boycott Hasbro and Wizards and not the game they hijacked?
@@sethchapman1425 I mean, you can dnd without giving Wizards money. But if you don't buy 1st party content that will effect the production and how much 1st party support the game has. By proxy you will allways boycott the product of the company if you boycott the company, there isn't much around that.
If you want to affect Wizards you can't do that without also affecting the things they make.
@@i.cs.zamodits I just meant everyone seems to be dumping on D&D. I am saying dump on the company. It's not the game's fault. That's all.
@@sethchapman1425 Of course. I respect anyone's decision to do whatever they choose. No one should try to force you. To each their own. The difficulty with continuing with DnD is that it is clear they will not allow anything further to be produced for 5e, by 3rd parties. I want to continue supporting them and not have them go out of business which is why I choose to move to a Product that they can make future products for. 3rd party creators Do phenomenal work. If they don't need to produce anything new a lot of people will lose their livelihoods. I played DnD for 30 years so I completely get it as I love the game as well.... I just can't forget that it's the 3rd parties that made me love it so as a result I'm switching. To each their own. Let's just be happy, United and fight for each other. The best thing about all this to me is all of you, the community.
@@jaykarimi7123 hear hear
Let’s see guy who made a mistake versus giant faceless megacorporation who will lie to our faces constantly, and with full knowledge of what they are doing, I’m gonna go with the guy who made an honest mistake.
The rules lawyer made an analysis, and the one that shocked me was the one talking about the SDR. It says the new ogl grants the use of what's on the current version of the sdr OR any newer version. So if they edit the sdr, like to take out spells, the old sdr would not count. Even if the couldn't change the license, they could change the contents of the SDR whenever they wanted.
Thanks for keeping our eyes on the ball. Inevitably misinformation will surface, people will get things wrong, but what matters is the wording of the OGL itself and forcing WotC and Hasbro to engage with us in good faith. This is something they have, even now, failed to do.
You mean the people loosing money says the people are lying..... Ya no I don't trust them. I know how corporations are
"Misinformation" is a Corporate term.
A term used to obfuscate.
Real people do not use the term "misinformation" in normal conversations.
Genuine people say things like "That's bulls@!t." or "Ok. Whatever."
In the end...
People may doubt what you say,
They will always believe what you do.
We can all see what Wizards Of The Coast is doing.
I can confirm is not $30. It's $29.99 or like my wife rounds number, $20
Shorts is a good guy. It was an honest mistake. I support him. #iloveshorts
YES THANK YOU! PREACH!! retain original OGL, OR WE LOSE. A win for us is "no changes"
WotC: That's misinformation
Also WotC: That was just a draft
I'm heavily debating on making an adventure book called Worloc on the Cliffs. During the final battle, the cartoonishly evil Worloc would say "You all think you've won, that's half true. You win and we win too."
Blame Wotc for not have being transparent from the begining. It's common that rumors spread, missinfotmations rise, etc.
Along a few hours here in europe, the latest d&d survey has had been imposible to complete for a lot of people, and when you finally can do the survey many hours later, on the very first question it suddenly close and send the message "thanks for complete that survey"... Whatttt!!!??... Wotc...
I'll be honest, at this point, when Hasbro/Wizards of the Coast deny something, I suspect it's probably true.
Anyway, OGL 1.2 is OGL 1.1 in make up.. Do Not Touch. It's STILL a trap, just a sneakier one.
Ultimately, it's still the same old, same old from Hasbro.
. Lies and smokescreen tactics are NOT how you regain trust after stabbing everyone in the back..
It's a large corporation trying to protect it's bottom line. So, when they went dark, they had realized that they made a huge misstep and needed to ask all levels to report on the validity of the statements coming out from the community. And to keep their jobs I would imagine that all of the Team Leads and up needed to state that they read and acted on all community responses. Yeah, corporate greed will always win out. The monopoly laws in the US have been severely eroded over the years by conservatives.
Document of Deflection: The carefully crafted words of this document distract consumers and provides a +1 PR score. Cost: Indeterminate number of gp
on reddit I've seen a LOT of hate for DnDShorts and it just makes me think "why the heck are you people even mad at this guy? he ACCIDENTALLY got some info wrong whilst just trying to help, and he even apologized for it and everything! then there's WotC, who have intentionally lied to us REPEATEDLY and yet people are directing their anger at DnDShorts instead!"
"UA-camrs are not journalists." Except Coffeezilla, that dude nails it.
So WOTC got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and they’re calling out the boy who saw them and just got a small detail wrong when he told mommy? Lol 😂
As WotC said they rolled a 1 on their OGL 1.1. At that point they had tried an Intimidation roll, now they are trying Deception.
At the end of the day, many are doing exactly what they should do regarding WotC. They're pulling up metaphorical stakes and walking away. We ourselves as players (and DMs) abandoned DnD around eight years ago and seeing what they've done since has only made it more clear that we left at the right time. I'm personally looking forward to seeing what new creations and ideas come from everyone whose cutting ties with the insanely draconian demands of Wizards. The 'morality clause' alone is grounds to give them the bird and leave.
100% they started feeding him fake stuff. lol, and he fell right into it. Business 101.
I can't tell you how happy I am I discovered your channel.
All of it is barely relevant at this point.
Their goal is what is written in the ogl 1.1, they are now taking babysteps to get there.
30$ for a premium subscription which gives access to everything?
It will be a lot more.
How much does it cost in microtransactions to get all the cards and gadgets on MTGA?
Yeah, same company.
AI DMs? Why not, AI is going to be *everywhere* in the near future.
Do they read the survey?
Yes, no, who cares.
That's the creative department, they decide jackshit on the economy of the company.
Anyway, fool me once...
What?! Them denying AI DMs is probably the most surprising thing of all to me. It makes a huge amount of sense connected to all of their other maneuvering. Why would they backpedal on that - was the response really that bad, or is this just moon bears/ sacrificial negotiation?
DnD Shorts dropped a new video that clarifies a lot of what he originally said, and how it actually applies. For example the $30/month for DnDBeyond that WotC denied was technically true on their part; it's apparently what they plan for the new WotC VTT they are working on, which is supposed to replace DnDBeyond. Whether or not they stick with that, I have no doubt that it's the number they want.
Whenever I hear "Misinformation" my instant instinct is that there might be some nuance difference but the gist is real
At least when it comes to the $30 subscriptions, and the they don't read anything things that's actually "fake news".
DND shorts admitted he was wrong about that. That was an honest mistake unlike 99% of Hasbro, so we should keep fighting.
Only a fool will sign onto OGL 1.2 or whatever. And WotC still does not have the power to revoke OGL 1.0a. I will personally do everything I can to see that it gets tested in court before a jury.
I hate when things try to become all things to all people because that usually means creativity has died and corporate is trying to get all the money from all the people. There are things in this world that are not geared towards me and that's just fine and dandy, I have my own things that make me happy. I would rather live in a world that has things I genuinely like and genuinely dislike as opposed to everything being a very 'meh' middle ground.
D&D Shorts even came out with an apology video about this and said the people leaking and those actively creating aren't to be blamed for what wotc / hasbro are trying to push through.
You know, that is the public relations tactic for combating a leak that gets out. It' literally PR 101, or well, PR 320 is intro to Public Relations but you get what I am saying.
Can you PLEASE do a video discussing the rising toxic atmosphere within the Open/Save the OGL movements? They are turning to openly attack anyone who is not fanatical on this topic. They are calling for boycotts of companies that even consider working with WOTC, companies that are the ultimate victims in this crisis. They are attacking anyone who even tries to be diplomatic or even potentially cautious.
Dias Ex Machina is literally making a community-driven rule set by designing it as a live stream.
Honestly, psychopathic corporations and random UA-camrs carry about the same weight with me. That said, even if dnd shorts had purposefully and maliciously lied about the 30 bucks, A.I GMs and whatever else I wouldn't care. I support all efforts to keep this space competitive and will never side with anyone other than consumers and the response he generated from dropping that info was and is incredibly helpful to that end.
I think there's a small backlash against DND Shorts because a bit of the reddit crowd finds him annoying. Sure, he puts out some interesting videos on possible exploits, puts them up in entertaining ways, but he's harmless. He's a pretty solid dude who figured out how to work the algorithm, but he also does love and understand the game we all love. Yes, he made a mistake with his sources - it happens. Journalist do it ALL THE FREAKING TIME. Even with cross-sourcing and confirmation, mistakes can be made. And because we live in an echo chamber society, its easy for a mistake to blow up bigger than it should. I do believe Wizards PR Crisis team kicked in, and I take what they say with a grain of salt. I really do not see them reading every survey, nor do I think they do actually consider feedback from surveys. Even with this survey for the OGL, I doubt we're going to see the changes the community wants.
"No one at Wizards is working on AI DMs" could mean:
1) WotC is not developing AI technology
2) WotC is not developing specifically AI DMs, but could be working on AI helpers etc
3) WotC is investigating but not yet developing AI DMs
4) WotC has outsourced AI development to some 3rd party
5) This comment was from D&D Beyond who might be working on AI but WotC isn't.
'Hate speech' clauses in things like this are uncontrollable monsters that often eat their own.
"Divide and conquer" - it had worked for hundreds of years, nobles quickly picked up that its super easy to thwart rebelions actually - you just need to convince torch people that the pitchfork people want to steal their torches.... As said in the video - stay laser focused on the OGL - thats the real prize here, even some open software developers noticed that this could introduce a dangerous precedent for them - there is more on the line than you might think, the OGL has to be made truly irrevocable as there are already parties and companies thinking if there even CAN be anything that is irrevocable, and what other "problematic" ( for them ) licences and laws they could tackle.
For one you can't believe anything Wizards of the Coast says now. 2nd who's to say wizards isn't inserting misinformation to discredit Influencers.
Don’t shill for WotC
There's always galaxy brained folk who think corporations are their friends.
Trust me, she ain't!
Wizards issue is the stuff they've officially said is just as bad or worse than what most the rumors say about them. Like if you go around telling people you're a serial killer, then people are gonna believe it when someone says you killed another person, even if you didn't.
Also all the terms they give to us later says they can change it at any time.
Also also, you waive your constitutional right to trial by jury
I like d&d shorts.
They're comfy and easy to wear!
1.2 is actually worse than 1.1
Wizards of the Coast included material from Magic the Gathering into 5e, so it can't technically extend to any part of the D&D-verse.
This is basically bad faith 101, since it appears to be a well thought out gesture that legally can't be applied to the problem.
The definition they give for "Irrevocable" in 1.2 is not the legal definition of the term, its honestly a really underhanded tactic. They say the license is irrevocable, then define how they mean that, and then give half a dozen examples of how and when they at their discretion can revoke the license. It is meaningless language included almost entirely for PR reasons because they know the community has latched onto that specific legal terminology.
Just had to point this out: the twitter post about the person reading "almost half a million UA comments in their first year" borderline unbelievable. Short of *averaging* a comment read every few seconds, you quickly get into thousands of man-hours spent doing nothing but reading comments.
So in this case, I think Wizards is jumping on an overstated case and overstating it in the other direction to try and discredit other leaked rumors. We already knew Wizards looked at the surveys to determine satisfaction levels, they almost certainly have a system for screening comments, and it's entirely possible that any comments not directly related to the material/questions being posed is ignored. It's actually not hard to imagine scenarios where everybody is telling the truth from a certain point of view.
It's possible that the leaks about subscription prices, AI DMs, removal of homebrew, etc are more of an executive wishlist than a to-do list or a cohesive plan. Or it could all be a lie for any number of reasons, but none of it changes the fact that Wizards already tipped their hand and have clear nefarious intent. They are trying to lure and fool people into voluntarily giving up their ability to use OGL 1.0a because Wizards can't get rid of it otherwise.
I definitely feel like you're one of the people the community needs most now. Your ability to look at things objectively when dotting "i"s and crossing "t"s is super refreshing. I click on your videos because I feel like I'm less likely to stumble on misinformation. Love love love your content.
The DnD Shorts thing was, odd. Reddit especially went on a bit of crusade against him in the comments sections of several posts, bad enough that the guy should rename his channel DnD Robespierre for a bit.
That joke aside, there's an oddity in the "irrevocable" part of OGL 1.2. One of the clauses states that if any part of the License is found to be unenforceable, WOTC can strip that provision, or null the entire license outright. Sooooo not so irrevocable is it?
The VTT stuff is just wrong. Not just from a control perspective, but they completely misunderstand their purpose while aligning them with Video Games - which VTTs are clearly not.
Also, the license-back language is gone, but the spirit and intent is 100% still there. You own your content, but if WOTC happens to "borrow it" the burden of proof falls to you to pursue only monetary damages, not retraction, yet you also wave your right to jury trial, class-action lawsuits, and may only pursue them in the state of WA. So yea, you own it, but WOTC can come out with something similar, and their defense is "crabs and typewriters ya know?"
1.2 has better language, and a softer tone. It's better written and shows fairly standard contract clauses - it just happens to be as bad as 1.1 and no one should consider signing it. They haven't backpeddled, only changed the language.
well *I* feel attacked. :D But all kidding aside I have gathered information as I can, stuff from twitter, emails, etc. And apparently people have appreciated it. I don't mean just the uptick in subs on my channel which is still pretty microscopic compared to oh, say, a really popular channel where there is a discourse about wargaming miniatures, but, also folks thanking me for keeping them informed.
One thing: I absolutely agree with you is D&D is best when it's one person's vision (or a small group) Gary & Dave on OD&D, Gary with AD&D...
"HE DIDN'T LIKE ME! ...he never liked me."
- WotC-Raff, speaking of the playing community
I’ve always been a fan of giving my opinion and then sit back to see what happens. Wild speculation is pointless. Now is the time to sit back and watch and see what Wizards does. I don’t think they will rise up and more likely dig themselves into a grave. Till they do what they do, I am just planning on moving forward elsewhere that has nothing to do with them.
This is the company that censored their game for people who don't even play their game. Let them burn. Censorship belongs in the bin
I think the reason you saw the dev team come our about surveys is because they are involved with that. The ogl is comming from the execs so the actual dev team probably has very little to no access to that process where as they do for the surveys.