Imagine how amazing coming back to Earth would be after spending time on Mars, just seeing that Blue dot get bigger and bigger would be one of the most incredible sights in the Universe!
And imagine the HORROR of that Blue Dot as it gets bigger as you approach and the entire planet is filled with CORPSES, rotting and fetid, with SLIME and bacteria. As you skim over the surface, you realize that there isn't a place to land, on a solid surface. It's all a SLIME, green, blue, yellow, green SLIME. How amazing, you'll have barely enough fuel to lift off and get back into orbit. As you contemplate your 2 to 3 weeks of oxygen aboard your space craft, you look upon your children and realize what you have done to them. You will kill yourself and take your offspring with you to spare their slow and horrible suffering. Nature and physics will overwhelm you and you will go insane as you realize your folly. A million years later, it will all settle down into a balance and no one will know what horrors YOU have brought to individuals, over the centuries.
@@pittmanfh Actually, mu little piece is the first lines in a novel I'm starting. It's about Mars outposts, travel to Mars and back and the consequences. Sort of a pandemic theme. When Europeans flooded the America's they had no idea as to what was being brought to them With Earthlings camping out on Mars, who knows what we bring back from there. See a movie called, Appolo 18. Kind of Blair Witch on the Moon.
Within a few generations humans living on Mars will be unable to survive long term on Earth because it only has about 1/3 of Earths gravity. Their bodies will adapt to Mars' gravity and they'll likely have bones too brittle and cardiovascular system too weak to overcome Earths gravity. It may be an interesting situation if it ever comes to it because without exosuits helping with blood circulation, their body would have a systemic failure. Our genome will be the same but the bodies will differ greatly. I guess they'll be true aliens by then.
Read “Two Years Before the Mast” to get an idea of the extreme hardships of a sea voyage from New England to California in the early 1800s: same food every day, cramped living quarters, grueling hours, unbearable climates, extreme hazards, major health risks, etc. We are far more safety conscious and risk adverse than past generations of explorers.
They had air and whatever you call "unbearable climates" is pretty much bearable compared to outer space or even the slightly less horrible Martian surface envirnoment. Also those sailors were not settlers: California was settled (other than Natives) from Mexico first and from the Eastern USA later on. The travels were somewhat risky but nothing compared with traveling to Mars, also California is Paradise not just compared to Mars but to many other places on Earth. Attempting to colonize Mars with current or foreseeable technology is much harder than if those Antarctica explores of the past had to settle the South Pole with a bunch of dogs and ad-hoc igloos: certain death awaited to them for sure and the same happens to any astronaut crew that risks "settling" Mars with some barrels of water and oxygen and whatever else they may carry in their feeble space vessel. Before people could sail around the World, there were many millennia of trial and error, people first sailed to the nearest islands (that's the Moon for you space-freaks) and found there something that was livable and interesting, something (maybe just fish, whatever) what brought them back, what demonstrated that their risk was not utterly futile. There's no fish in outer space: nearly nothing of value for us (minerals maybe but most of them are also available down here on Earth and much easier to acces over here).
This book has been on my read list for a while for a few reasons! I agree with the sentiment of us being more safety conscious (definitely true, even comparing the first manned space program with today), but of course the pilgrim/sailor comparison can only be so applicable to another planet.
@@LuisAldamiz i think you overvalue the avaiability of minerals, especially rare earths, on earth, also a lot of the deposits are concentrated in certain specific places, so either we go to war over them, or find more without giving money to adversaries
I don't think that that's necessarily true, we just don't have the same *NEED* to get to Mars nor the capability to do it right away. In the past if you had the funding you could grab a ship and crew and go your merry way but space travel requires infrastructure and industry. Many of our riskiest operations were driven by profit and seizing new land but there's no similar drive to get to Mars due to the fact that Mars is not immediately exploitable with an immediate return on investment. Trust me as soon as we need something from Mars we will be there in force.
I am too old to go now but we should already be there and I would have given it a shot when young. It is the biggest failure of my generation to have disregarded space after the Apollo missions.
@@SwordsmanRyan Nobody no matter how rich they are, could enjoy living in a completely different environment, I think Apollo was just out of mans curiosity, to see whats on the moon.
@@SwordsmanRyan SINCE I WAS A YOUNG BOY I WANTED TO GO TO SPACE AND I HAVE FELT CHEATED ALL MY LIFE THAT WE AS A NATION DID NOT CONTINUE GOING FARTHER AND FARTHER INTO SPACE. THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM THAT I SEE WAS WHEN SOMEONE DIED EVERYTHING STOPED AND IT TOOK FOREVER TO GET GOING AGAIN. SPACE IS A VERY UNFORGIVING PLACE TO MAKE A MISTAKE IN. IF YOU DO YOU ARE DEAD. LOTS OF GOOD PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GOING BACK INTO SPACE. WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE SERVITUDE TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE THEY DIED. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT IF OUR ANCESTORS HAD GONE WEST WITH THE SAME ATTITUDE AS WE HAVE GOING TO SPACE, WE WOULD STILL BE ON THE EASTERN SHORE OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ACROSS WITHOUT SOMEONE GETTING KILLED. PEOPLE WILL DIE BUT WE WILL GO BOLDLY FORWARD AND MEET OUR DESTINY. I HOPE.
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams.
I like those regolith constructions much more than the ugly, futurist habitat bubbles that you always see in concepts. The regolith seems much more natural and a lot less sterile and modernist. Interested to see what architecture can come from this.
exactly!! living in something like this seems much more natural.. Almost like a self constructed cave.. I would love to see these regolith structures filled to the brim with plants baked in UV light & kept a little wild on purpose!
@Peter Breis It's not as radioactive as reactor waste, not even close. The heavy water coolant used to cool reactors becomes irradiated because radioactive material, like uranium, is in contact with the water, and small uranium molecules get into the water. On mars, the regolith is not getting contaminated by tiny bits of radioactive material, it's being hit by what radioactive materials cause, radiation, which is not the same thing. Radiation comes in several forms, only one of them can cause radioactivity, and even then, it's very very minor (see the end). Radiation is either in the form of high energy particles (alpha, beta or neutron), which are essentially like super tiny but fast bullets, or high energy light (gamma, x-ray or uv) coming from the sun and other stars. Being hit by high energy particles or high energy light, doesn't cause the hit material to become radioactive, it causes it to become ionized. An ionized molecule is a molecule with an uneven charge, in this case because it lost an electron. That happens because the high energy radiation transfers enough energy to the electron to kick it out of its orbital shell. Once the molecule is ionized, it attracts other molecules and will chemically combine with one, typically oxygen. When something chemically combines with oxygen, its combustion or burning. So being hit by radiation causes things to become ionized, which generally causes them to burn, which is a different effect from being contaminated by radioactive material. Mars is red because it has a lot of iron oxides (rust) in its soil. That makes sense, because over the ages, martian soil has been getting battered by radiation, ionizing it, and then soaking up all the oxygen. TLDR is martian regolith isn't irradiated, it's burnt. The only type of radiation that cause any kind of radioactivity in what it hits is neutron radiation. A neutron can occasionally directly hit a nucleus and fuse with it, which for some molecules forms an unstable isotope. That unstable isotope wants to eject that neutron again, which is a form of radiation. However, the half lives of these isotopes are typically super short so the radioactivity never gets far above 0.
I don’t think future mars buildings will be built with aesthetic considerations in mind. The priority will be ease of construction and utility. I don’t think they will look futuristic at all; the shapes seen in concept art are very complex and difficult to build. Most likely the first buildings will be simple tubes or cylinders, even square structures are more likely than what we see in silly media illustrations. The current habitats in Antartica will be the model emulated on Mars.
@@APerson-dq4hl Good thinking. Thats the simplest idea I've heard. I'd imagine the process of making the building airtight would be simple to. Maybe spraying some sought of polymer resin on the exposed regolith walls? I assume insulating the internals from the very cold regolith would just require some foam and foil. I don't think you'd want heat from the base leaching into the frozen ground, melting and sublimating ices frozen in the soil.
If I were 30 years younger I'd go to Mars in a heartbeat! Don't believe there will be much above ground habitation on Mars. I believe subterranean habitats will eventually be the norm.
You’d turn around in a heartbeat and want to leave soon after arrival and realized how DEAD and BARREN and COLD!!! Mars is! MINIS 81 degrees Fahrenheit on average! You’’l be bombarded with harmful solar radiation which is damaging your DNA! First go to Death Valley in California and see how long you want to stay there. You’ll soon want to leave! And Death Valley is like a lush tropical Paradise compared to Mars!
Is it possible in the (fairly near) future? Absolutely! For me, unfortunately, at 63 years old, no. I remember my science fiction books as a youngster, and reading about these "impossible" things. Things like space stations orbiting the Earth, rockets that could go into space and then land back safely on Earth, and even the ridiculous notion of having robotic explorers on Mars! Now look at us...
If stem cell research improves as much as it can in the next 20 years we might see more options for older folks to help with colonies. Fewer psychological issues and better emergency coping with an age mixed group is a significant benefit.
@@shadowgolem9158 True. Right now, the demands are better suited for the young, but even as recently as a century ago, I would have already exceeded my life expectancy by a decade! I'll just be happy to see the first boot prints on Mars!
yeah, we all know how it goes down when humans conquer new territories. maybe, just maybe, we should put as much effort into improving our mental and psychological makeups as we do technology
@@adventureswithdogs2251 I may be a star eyed optimist but my hope is stem cell therapy can one day make us younger again, at least as far as body durability.
Adventures with Dogs if you are 63 you were a youngster in the sixties/seventies. In that era space exploration was not “impossible”. It had already started and going strong. Science fiction books were simply anticipating the results technology was already developing. And let’s be honest: most of that science fiction is still science fiction. I remember various movies and tv series about moon bases. We don’t have a moon base yet after 50 years of men getting there. The costs of realizing those fantasies are simply too ginormous. A part from sending off a bunch of probes into the solar system we have just stuck to our backyard. What most space enthusiasts fail to grasp is that technical capability is a minor factor, the economical aspect is the real major factor that holds us back. And it will always do.
I used to be at nasa as a tool technician and trainer. I would love to go. My dad Harold E. Team what is a senior astronaut trainer at nasa and Ellington air Force Base. And I picked up the torch in the 80s. I would love to be on a Mars mission. I still have many skills that would be useful there. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing this.
My man, you maybe an excellent technician but you are not superman. The medical scientist should have taught you that you can not survive outside of Earth's magnetosphere. All this talk about going to Mars is just for the sake of funding, they know that it cant be done.
@@faybrianhernandez2416 Why? If your saying it's because of radiation protection - inverse square law - distance of mars - and artificial protection all provide enough reduction to make it seemingly possible. Robert Zubrin debunked that already.
During a NASA-sponsored architectural research studio I partook a few years ago in college, we proposed storing the water within the outer skin of the spacecraft to provide radiation shielding. However, our project brief was calling for the architectural design (less focus on the practical engineering) of a post-initial-settlement spacecraft-habitat hybrid to ferry larger numbers of ‘regular’ folks to the planet, after an initial base had been set up. As such, we proposed using water mined from icy asteroids/ comets and/ or the moon as the ideal source to fill our large, rotating habitat’s hull. Because of it’s weight, water is not feasible as shielding for anything that has to be built and launched in one piece from earth. With space construction and mining, it becomes more viable. P.S. Two of the professors at my college were part of the team that designed the Mars Ice House that you showed; one of whom co-taught that studio. P.S.S. We also proposed an aquaponics system for semi-self sufficient food production during the journey to and from Mars and across the solar system. This was the focus of my research. Other team members worked on integrating flora and miniature ‘parks’ as part of a larger biophilic design ethos to alleviate the psychological problems of being in a space torus. All these systems can be applied to the Martian surface much more effectively than in space.
Walrus Bellhop Architectural designer- I’ve only graduated a little more than a year ago, and haven’t been in the field long enough to get a license. The studio was quite the experience, however I was in the last semester it was offered at my old college unfortunately. It definitely got crazy because of the intense schedule, but the knowledge I gained and the experience itself was invaluable. However, given that this was an architecture school and not an engineering program, we did not delve into the engineering and technical aspects of space travel as much as other schools that ran the course as part of their engineering programs did. We took a broader look at some of the structural and life support systems (ECLSS), etc. to focus on alternative methodologies for constructing the structure and shell of the craft in space using collapsible/ deployable pre-fab structural frames and flexible skin systems, origami, etc. Different teams in the overall class specialized on different aspects of the project, and I focused my research into adapting hydroponics technology and methodology into producing food (plants and fish) inside our space born habitat. This included determining spatial requirement ranges to produce food for X number of people, and the types of food to produce. Such a hydroponics system could also supplement life support systems by recycling much of the human and food waste into new, fresh food products and help recycle the air. This was built upon by another team to support miniaturized parks in the habitat and into a general biophilic design across the interior to help combat the sterility of present day spacecraft design (think Spacelab and Mir, to the shuttle, Soyuz, and the ISS. The semester culminated with constructing a scaled architectural mockup of one of the primary habitat modules. Of course, given this was a college project over the span of a few months, the work was largely theoretical and paper based, with limited real world testing. It’s also based on a combination of present day and near future technology, and how they could evolve and be applied later this century onwards. Government and private space agencies would have a lot of work to do to flesh out and troubleshoot the ideas we explored, and test it scientifically; but, our semi-paper proof of concept was about showing what could be done- within our lifetimes- using real world technology, and scientific principles. Of course, this all depends first and foremost on political will and funding, which is sorely lacking for the type of stuff we proposed. All in all, it was a tremendous learning experience, and NASA does pick and explore ideas they get from schools through the program. So, maybe we’ll see in the decades to come if anything is picked up from what we did. Lol :)
It's sad our government isn't willing to invest that kind of knowledge and finances here...instead of a military budget that's over HALF of our national budget.
@@sharongillesp ikr i live in europe but america should really not focus on military atm there isn't much threats + covid 19 is being focused on by everyone and the sooner we can learn more about mars we might as well someday make cleaning earth easier
Sterling The projected time period for this hypothetical project is late 21st to early 22nd century, based on existing technology and predicted developments. We’re nowhere near building full scale O’Neil cylinders yet. Long term, yes they’re the likely the best solution. But we’re a ways off still from that. Smaller torus stations will be the stepping stone to O’Neill cylinders and may very well eventually be tileable, modular constructions that grow as needed into larger, O’Neill cylinder sizes.
Exaclty why we shouldnt be thinking of leaving to a place thats already the future of earth. We may as well stay here and evolve with the earth, instead of starting over. Mars is an epic waste of resources, resources we could be using to survive here
@@supercomputer0448 Mars gets very cold. Without standing water, mosquitoes could not sustain life or reproduce. Lack of Oxygen would also cut their life very short.
@@michaelkb8-245 Your comment is the only one logical. Is not too many problems to consider, is toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many even wasn't considered about.
Just puts in perspective what a precious thing we have on Earth and why we should do our best not to ruin it. Polution, environmental destruction, mindless resource consumption - these things need to be on our minds more and more and we need to do more to reduce them. Without breakthroughs in energy production and faster, more efficient, less wasteful transportation, Mars colonization is just a dream. We could send humans to Mars for short mission probably in the near future, but colonization is a whole different matter.
We wont ruin the earth. We will just make it impossible for human civilization to continue. When the planet is disrupted enough by us, we will be wiped out by nature, and then the pre-human ecology will be restored automatically after a few hundred thousand or million years . Just like how all the wildlife came back inti the streets during this covid thing
@@phoenixsamus That's a very true thought...Earth isn't in danger...we are. No matter how badly we fuck it, the Earth will just orbit the sun for a million years and voila - fixed. It's just that we won't be there to see it. The ultimate karma.
Such an interesting topic! I just can't stop thinking about how sad it is that in our lifetimes we are probably not going to find out how the colonies turn out. Let's just wish humanity good luck 🤞
There is all of time ahead of us that we will miss out on once we die, but we have the great privilege and responsibility of deciding whether or not life will get a foothold in the universe after we are gone; let's not waste that opportunity! Life may not get another chance like this to permanently avoid extinction, and for all we know the window of opportunity may be small for our species.
It's very sad.... but against the odds of the universe we must continue to push to the new extremes and adapt to new things, otherwise humanity won't have a chance to continue it's existence elsewhere in the universe, once doomsday comes to us in approximately 1 billion years from now(or sooner due to some massive collision) .. Hypothetically, humanity could outlive the fate of planet Earth, but it would require huge advancement in physics, biology and chemistry,... something we just started to come to grasps with over the last few centuries.
Well, fortunately in the grand scheme of things we can just be happy to experience this crazy ride :D We are basically the universe experiencing itself, analyzing and learning about itself. We should always appreciate that while we can :)
Actually there is a condition that a lot of people have (whether they know it or not) that applies to the weightless condition. Before sending anyone up into space, they observe them very carefully to see if this condition is present. In effect, experiencing zero gravity is like feeling the sensation of falling continuously without end. This feeling of constant falling, but never hitting bottom, can cause a psychotic break over time. As I, myself, do not handle the sensation of falling well (I never ride any roller coaster that has any kind of drop over 1 or 2 seconds in length), I would never be able to go to any other planet or space craft, even if I ever had the opportunity. So, y'all have fun out there! If you want me, I'll be here on Earth!!
Similarities between Earth and Mars: Both basically have the same day cycle Both are rocky bodies Differences between Earth and Mars: *Literally everything else*
@@franchufranchu119 The atmospheric pressure on Mars is equal to what it is at around 45km of altitude on Earth, less than 1% of what it is at sea level. To a human being that is practically a vacuum.
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mars has a lot of stuff in common with the earth in the same way that an anatomy skeleton in health class has a lot in common with living human beings. except we have tissue, organs, blood, plasma, brains and otherwise functional with living bodies, whereas the skeleton is just a skeleton. mars is missing a few very important things. things like food, water, air, atmosphere, and a magnetic field. so it's a lot like comparing an anatomy skeleton to a living human. it has some similarities, but one is alive and the other is returning dust.
This brings me back to being a young person reading sci-fi and getting excited about future's possibilities. I would love to see humankind land on Mars before 💀
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Concern, but also a great resource. You can use enzymes to break the perchlorates apart and you get oxygen for free. You need some bioreactors to make the enzymes, but that has already been tested on Earth. ("Perchlorate on Mars: A chemical hazard and a resource for humans", International Journal of Astrobiology 12/4 2013)
I don’t think it’ll go well at first. There’s always unknowns and things that can go wrong in with the best laid out plans but I think will eventually get there but not in the qualities they think. Man is very adaptable and I think we will
I think the first crew we send won't even make it to mars. Like you say there just so much that can go wrong and the trip is long. Even when we do manage to get settled, life for Martians will absolutely suck for a long, long time. You have to have a lot of fortitude to make this trip. Your basically signing up for a lifetime of super tough, spartan living with little joy to be had.
Sir Flanksalot Good morning yes I think the moon base is good idea and personally I think every time we’re going to space we were a little bit more people don’t realize you can’t just load up a rocket and shoot it at a planet and get there. It takes time and experience or trial and error, I’m not sure what all the benefits are in getting to Mars but a lot of that we won’t know till we get there
In the house where you live you breathe atmospheric oxygen. In a Mars settlement you will breathe bottled oxygen either transported from earth or expensively produced from frozen water. What will happen to you if your oxygen supply is cut off?
@@johnmaxwell1750 you do understand someone could just cut our oxygen on Earth by cutting down all of the plants. They can kill all the algae in a we will slowly suffocate. The Earth is just a giant
We are going to Mars for sure, its not the question of how but when. It’s the human curiosity that has gotten us here and we will continue to be curious, even if it has risks, otherwise we wouldn’t have gone to moon, ever. Mars is the next frontier and our curiosity will guide us at every opportunity to take us there.
Our curiosity about Mars can be safely satisfied by robots at a cost that is a hundred times less (maybe a thousand times less) than it will cost to send humans there for a much shorter visit and to bring them back to earth.
@@johnmaxwell1750 We already did the curiosity bit with the rovers. imo regardless of the propaganda the manned mission is about capturing the best resource areas for future settlements which will be the foundation of colonies.
A trip to Mars would be a suicide mission, a one way trip. Once outside the Earth's magnetosphere living beings will lose the ability to digest food and are subject to the same deadly radiation. It may take 3 months to get to Mars but will take a longer time to get back. It just isn't survivable.
Not so much, given how much SpaceX has improved! We just had 57th successful mission and it’s now turning out more like Airline “successability”, meaning it’s becoming a constant thing, which is a good thing. I am very much optimistic about Mars exploration, given we now have the technology to go there. About living there or dying there, actually not many people care as it’s just about going there first. And SpaceX is adamant and much more prepared for going there (it’s a race against other companies and amongst themselves to go there), with obvious preparations of course. Within next 10 years, i am pretty sure humans will land on Mars. Risks are involved, lives are involved, but if these things don’t get involved then we all must cease our curiosity and every opportunity to land on Mars. Dragon Demo 2 wouldn’t have happened, if we go by that notion. Remember how much SpaceX has achieved in just 10 years
"Who's going to feast on Earth's sky and drink their rivers dry?" "MMC!" "Who's going to stomp their mountains into fine Martian dust?" MMC!" "Till the rains fall hard on Olympus Mons, who are we?" "MMC!"
@@HobbyOrganist the carbon wont kill you, the vaccum will You'd literally have all your exposed body liquids boil and your air will literally fart itself out of you and if you hold your breath, your lungs would literally fucking rupture. Mars is a cold hell
If we could live on earth with same amount of care and recycling it would be great. A bird in hand is worth two in bush. Edit: am not against Mars exploration. In fact I love it. It’s good to have two planets than sharing fate with T-Rex 🦖
way more difficult than on mars. earth has an environment already - and 7 billion people that all somehow want to live, and not only same fish salad every day. mars has nothing and everything needs to be build from ground up - by a small amount of carefully selected people that know the restrictions they will face and are educated how to deal with them. thats a complete different situation with complete different challenges.
You already have a very complicated biosphere on Earth. Large scale development of such systems on Earth is financially unfeasible, and you'd need to account for the distruption of local environment.
Perhaps start building large scale colonies on the seafloor, on North/South poles, or even high earth orbit or even on the moon first. The experiences gained from these constructions would be invaluable for future mars projects.
I saw a presentation at the Hayden Planetarium, in NYC, in the late 1960's (!!) called '12 Minutes to Mars'. The (1960's) estimated time for a radio signal to be transmitted to the red planet, and returned with just the word "Roger". The Cold War was in full swing back then, and everything was looked at from a military advantage stand point. I got to watch Apollo astronauts walk on the Moon, and hope to at least see a manned ship orbit Mars, similar to our orbiting the Moon before an actual landing. *And meanwhile, hey earthlings: get your act together* !
I highly doubt a manned mission will be sent to Mars without landing there! Everything involved would dictate that once there, we will land. Due to the trajectories of the planets, and rate of orbit around the sun, once a crew arrives there, they will have to wait approx a year and a half to embark on their return trip... so yeah, if we go, we land...
When the two planets are at their closest to each other, that is the round trip time for messages via photons. It’s not an old estimate that has been corrected.
What a great challenge it is! But if we dare to dream of something as incredible as inhabiting the Mars, we should be ready for roadblocks like these. With great dreams comes great challenges. Such dreams also give birth to unprecedented, fascinating inventions , ideas and concepts. Successful or not, such challenges push us forward towards advancement and prove helpful in realising many more such dreams. We gain, in any case.
@@internetdinosaur8810 Hard times make strong men, so yes, it just might help. The good times have lasted dangerously long now in the industrialised world.
hmmm, yeah, a couple of months of cloistered living and people are going stark raving mad. Now imagine people cloistered in tin cans on Mars, no internet, no return voyage, live and die with a handful of others. I'll believe all those eager Mars volunteers when someone opens a commercially successful year-round resort on Antarctica, a comparative garden spot to the most habitable spot on Mars.
@@CarFreeSegnitz "a couple of months of cloistered living and people are going stark raving mad" Many people are losing their mind, indeed. But is the majority getting unhinged? Some people even *like* it. Besides, a Mars colony will not be a mainstream destination for a long time yet. So your Antarctic resort analogy fails; Mars trips won't be holidays, they will be long-term contract gigs. Oh, and there will be something resembling Internet, with less content. Mostly mirrored from the original one.
I remember Stephen Hawkings' series "Into the Universe" on Channel 4 when he hypothesised that humans will have to modify ourselves to survive and explore space. He said that that is how we will evolve.
He was probably good physicist but not biologist. No living cell can survive such low density of atmosphere and no DNA chain can sustain itself in such level of radiation
As recently as the 1980s I was working in Africa where instant communication was not always possible. We would send a driver to a public telex station with a message and send him back two days later to see if there was a reply. Making a telephone was a luxury. A round trip for a message of under an hour sounds quite good.
Martian soil is toxic, due to relatively high concentrations of perchlorate compounds containing chlorine. The atmosphere on Mars consists less than 0.2% oxygen (Earth has about 21% oxygen) and atmosphere is so thin, it is nearly a vacuum compared to Earth.
Yea, Some people think it would be somewhat easy and habitable .. Mars Is not a fitting match for humans, We should look somewhere else , But Mars is great for robot research as they are doing it now .
The perchlorates can be washed out of the soil for crops and certain biomes of life on earth can even thrive in these conditions. It’s not that difficult to maintain a building with 1 atm pressure difference. This is about the same level needed to make a bubble of air 10 feet below water.
Where some see a problem others might see an opportunity. Percholrates are toxic but they also are a good oxidizer that can be potentially used to generate energy , as a part of a propellant system or even decomposed to give off the very same oxygen that the Mars atmosphere lacks. Not saying that it is going to be easy but those reasons are not a complete showstopper and can even be reasons to go there.
Even though the air is very thing it does give some warmth, some radiation protection, and protection from micro-meteors. Which is a huge improvement over the moon. The length of day is better, the regolith isnt anywhere near as abrasive as lunar soil, swings in tempertures are less extreme, and its a much closer visit than most of the solar system is, considering its our neighbour. Saying all that if Venus had an atmosphere equal, or even 90% of Earths we would have already colonised it. But compared to the moon, Mars is a paradise.
Three months isn't a long time until I started wondering if I would be able to NOT LEAVE my home for three months. Time takes on an entirely new meaning. Staying inside my home for 90 to 100 days; consistent days would drive me nuts. I think my sanity would begin eroding after just 2 wks! Don't think I'll be going to Mars; I'll start unpacking now. Btw, excellent video 👍🏻😊.
Some of us are already looking after it, mate. But we need more people To consider veganism, to vote considering the environmental issues, to don't throw waste everywhere, to try to help the poor ones, to accept more other religions and cultures.
@Ahmad Virk you know that animal agriculture requires 70% of all grains produced? Cattle alone (removing wild animals, fish etc) require the calorie intake of 8.7 Billion people. Being vegan, just mean that humans require less resources. In reality we should produce less children, eat less meat, and consume responsibly (or change our global economical system). that's the only way we can make earth a better place.
Have a great trip guys! I'll stay behind with the women, beaches, good food, fishing, trees, grocery stores, cozy magnetosphere, and breathable atmosphere. 🌎
Mountain, trees, animal, river .. all the God have given to human on earth.. ya am staying. and yes , earth still lot of beautiful women... Yes am staying.
Pipe dream. Not a chance at all. Waste of money while we dump garbage into the water here. Plastic polluting the whole echosystem of the ocean, how long before it starts killing us. Microscopic plastic in your kidneys? What's that going to cause. Grow plants on Mars... 🤦 Or the moon..... 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦.
@@lyriccmaster5681 it's everybody's responsibility the us has done as much as every other country. Nobody even mentioned the us. Also we can do both colonize mars and fix the earth idk if you know but things we research for colonisation could also be helpfull on earth like this reactor there talking about could also be used here as green energy.
@Tommy Hammernots What a shame all them wily scientists you talk about just won't seem to listen to internet sages like you. Must me some conspiracy =.O
From what I understand the biggest hurdle of space travel is the constant bombardment of cosmic rays and radiation. Even the space station is basically swiss cheese when it comes to protecting its inhabitants. The effects of space on the human body are severe.
Start a company and do it. Musk is going to Mars because he thinks it's a good idea. It's his company and he, just like everyone else can do what they want. There are always going to be drawbacks and compromises for anything, but if we wait for the perfect solution before doing anything then nothing would ever happen.
@Mickey Finn Not everything is purely for survival (like whatever you're using to leave comments). There are already volunteers. Starship and future craft is how Musk is planning to transport people. And I didn't say "just a good idea." Surely, someone so clearly learned can parse the difference between "a good idea" and "just a good idea." My original point was it's more practical if you take the approach to things with the mindset of not allowing perfection to be the enemy of good. I have no idea what that last bit is about...maybe you weren't held enough as a child or something?
@@nigel900 Hi Nigel, Thank you for your thoughtful and interesting comment. But don't put yourself down. It is not pie in the sky to consider reading a book! Many, many people have done it before! If it seems too intimidating, try reading one chapter at a time. This breaks the effort down into smaller steps, and makes it easier than reading an entire book in one sitting. ;-D I personally recommend it. I have learned many things from reading books over the years. Warm regards, Rick.
@@nigel900 Hi Nigel, If you read the book I was suggesting, Mars Exploration does not seem so Pie in the Sky. Other books I recommend: -- "The Geology of Mars: Evidence from Earth Based Analogs", Edited by Mary Chapman. -- "Moons and Planets", by William K. Hartmann. (Dislikes nuclear power but otherwise good.) -- "On to Mars: Colonizing a New World". -- "The Case for Space", by Robert Zubrin. The first is a bit technical, the middle two - middling, and the last one is a fairly easy read. Warm regards, Rick.
@igeto12 Hi Igeto12, Robert Zubrin is an engineer, and runs Pioneer Astronautics, which does engineering on space technology. (His company has been awarded dozens of NASA contracts.) I recommend his books, he gives a very hard headed look at the problems of exploration and colonization, in "The Case for Mars". Warm regards, Rick.
Yes, but it would take ~20mins to load a webpage 😅 it would be better if Mars had it's own internet and just downloaded chunks of useful websites from ours from time to time
@@therealist3495 It wouldn't solve the problem of delay, but starlink could serve as the backbone of a Mars Starlink network, and as per Astrum Earth and Mars internet could sync servers on a regular basis. With multiple high bandwidth lasers, key communications like news and messages could be synced every 30 min to every ~3 min. Live communications are just not possible, but messaging, email, social media and uploading videos to youtube should be alright (albeit with delay on going live). Same goes for watching Earth videos on Mars.
I been thinking the same too... I think the problem could be easily solved. With just one big payload of 500 starlink Sat's in the starship rocket... Then get them into orbit and get them to orbit inbtween mars and earth. That would massively help. So instead of weak signal going to Earth to Mars.... Info would go. Through the relay sat in a circlur orbit and hit Mars much faster 😀😀
True, but on the other hand, scientist know darn well that an extended trip to the moon or mars is not survivable. Mars is a suicide mission, a one way trip.
@@masonpl4704 I don't think the Artemis mission is going to get to the moon. If Trump loses this fall, which is likely, I think all projects attached to his administration will be cancelled. More likely is that the next people on the moon will be Chinese, IMO.
Faybrian Hernandez How the fuck is it not survivable. Put a bunch of rock and soil between you and the sun and you dont have to worry about radiation. Coming back from mars will be a technical challenge but it might just come down to multiple resupply trips from starship.
"Confined to a small space. Stuck with the same people. Often eating the same thing and with constant tasks and stress." You have just described a call-centre agents life. Most of who would be glad to up and leave Earth after dealing with customers and the general public.
I'm good staying on Earth, but it's pretty awesome that I'll get to see us colonize Mars, and perhaps the Moon (Venus and Titan, perhaps not in my lifetime).
@@deiniolbythynnwr926 thats entirely possible if properly decontaminated and then fertalized with biological waste from the humans. That being said aquaponics is probably the best way to go in order to get varied diets for the mars people.
Yeah. Makes it somewhat ironic that the only reason he was stranded there in the first place was a complete piece on non-scientific hokum. I refer of course to the fact that due to the extremely thin atmosphere, even the highest of winds on Mars would stand no chance of toppling the spaceship.
Ever to consider settling there? I'll bite. We have moved beyond simple consideration into planning / designing / building and constructing all manner of tools to arrive and survive. We are, on a trajectory to do this in the not too distant future. The coolest part of that from my pov is watching all the amazing mindshare going in to solving these challenges. We are an interesting species with bucket loads of shortcomings thats for certain. However, our ability to adapt to our surroundings, create things to overcome the difficulties therein, have been proven time and time again. It's entertaining to watch the two sides debate the effort. The "why would you do thats" throw out a million reasons not to while the "why not's" smile and say, "Why Not?"...
@@fitmotheyap Why would you claim that a thorium reactor would be small? And when you say small, I assume you mean smaller than a regular fission reactor.
@@Tjalve70 LFTR reactors might be possible to be miniaturized as it doesn't require pressurized containers. Even new designs in light water reactors are being offered in a much smaller size than traditional candu designs stuck in the 60s. Nuclear research in this area has been frozen without any real incentives by governments and without real economic incentives for commercial purposes. This is slowly, very slowly to change.
@@kahvaimuri2824 then we have Titan, and if we advance enough in technology to have space curvature ships we could go to the infinite planets with similar conditions to that ones on earth such as Kepler86-f and so on.
I'm willing to take full responsibility for the horrible events of the last 24 hours, but you must understand - our interest in their world was purely for the betterment of mankind. Everything has clearly gotten out of hand, yes, but it was worth the risk. I assure you.
First problem might be finding a firm level spot to land. Landing on a slope, or partially on rock could cause the craft to fall over, injuring or killing those inside.
We'll have a major WWlll long before then that will pretty much eliminate any massively costly space program and colony on mars. WWlll is likely to be nuclear, we'll have a crapload of more imortant things to worry about than sending rockets into space
@@HobbyOrganist why not weaponize space and literally have godly advantage against any one country, being able to bring it to its knees. Even without including space, improving hyper sonic technology can mean that MAD will no longer feasible and a first strike will win.
@@theyellowbrad8168 I'm 27 and I just quit my job to get involved in Mars Colonization any way I can! I'm converting my living room into a studio to create a UA-cam channel promoting Mars Colonization :)
Mars cannot be terraformed. That idea is pure fiction. Mars has a lot of carbon dioxide ice but not nearly enough to make an atmosphere with the density we have on Earth. The whole planet doesn't contain nearly enough gasses in total to produce significant atmosphere. Mars is, and will remain, an airless frozen desert.
@@antonystringfellow5152 While I agree with you that Mars will never have a breathable atmosphere, with para-terraforming being the better option, but if Mars has enough minerals for fluorine/chlorine on it, it may be possible to use halogen/CFC gasses to increase the pressure and temperature. As some of these are very heavy gasses the quantities needed would not need to be as much and they could contribute to the greenhouse effect hundreds or thousands of time more than CO2. They would also be very difficult to be blown off planet by solar winds.
If there is ever a successful manned mission to mars, this is how I predict it will go: Assuming the crew survives the journey, the landing, they will just walk around plant a flag, do a few scientific studies, call it a day and head back home. It will basically be like the moon landing all over again, just on another planetary body. And just like the moon landing, everyone will lose interest 2 seconds later.
Man is very adaptable indeed, but he still needs to breathe oxygen, drink water, eat. I personally like a bit of diverse landscape, with green and blue, and sometimes water. Take Mars for yourselves all you want, just let me stay here. Thanks
Mars is like a game we really wanted as a kid We save all our money and work really hard to get it but once we finally get the game we realize it’s not what we wanted and we did all that hard work for nothing
The main problem with Mars is there’s no atmosphere. I suggest, subtle and yet tasteful decor, quality mood lighting and perhaps some jazz.
I love smooth Jazz
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@@maryartistmime654 do you believe in aliens?
Imagine how amazing coming back to Earth would be after spending time on Mars, just seeing that Blue dot get bigger and bigger would be one of the most incredible sights in the Universe!
And imagine the HORROR of that Blue Dot as it gets bigger as you approach and the entire planet is filled with CORPSES, rotting and fetid, with SLIME and bacteria. As you skim over the surface, you realize that there isn't a place to land, on a solid surface. It's all a SLIME, green, blue, yellow, green SLIME. How amazing, you'll have barely enough fuel to lift off and get back into orbit. As you contemplate your 2 to 3 weeks of oxygen aboard your space craft, you look upon your children and realize what you have done to them.
You will kill yourself and take your offspring with you to spare their slow and horrible suffering.
Nature and physics will overwhelm you and you will go insane as you realize your folly.
A million years later, it will all settle down into a balance and no one will know what horrors YOU have brought to individuals, over the centuries.
@@jamesbonde4470 What
@@jamesbonde4470 bro chill
@@jamesbonde4470 You should seek some help IMO.
@@pittmanfh Actually, mu little piece is the first lines in a novel I'm starting. It's about Mars outposts, travel to Mars and back and the consequences.
Sort of a pandemic theme.
When Europeans flooded the America's they had no idea as to what was being brought to them
With Earthlings camping out on Mars, who knows what we bring back from there.
See a movie called, Appolo 18. Kind of Blair Witch on the Moon.
Imagine being born on Mars and coming to visit earth for the first time!!
Within a few generations humans living on Mars will be unable to survive long term on Earth because it only has about 1/3 of Earths gravity. Their bodies will adapt to Mars' gravity and they'll likely have bones too brittle and cardiovascular system too weak to overcome Earths gravity. It may be an interesting situation if it ever comes to it because without exosuits helping with blood circulation, their body would have a systemic failure. Our genome will be the same but the bodies will differ greatly. I guess they'll be true aliens by then.
foxpon105 THIS is why we should Colonize Space with O’Neill Cylinders instead of Colonizing other planets that are far too different from Earth.
LoneStarWolf Entertainment what’s that
Hash Li a giant rotating habitat that can simulate the environment of earth (more importantly it can simulate earth’s gravity).
You wouldn't like to come back to Mars again haha. There is NOTHING in there.
Read “Two Years Before the Mast” to get an idea of the extreme hardships of a sea voyage from New England to California in the early 1800s: same food every day, cramped living quarters, grueling hours, unbearable climates, extreme hazards, major health risks, etc. We are far more safety conscious and risk adverse than past generations of explorers.
They had air and whatever you call "unbearable climates" is pretty much bearable compared to outer space or even the slightly less horrible Martian surface envirnoment. Also those sailors were not settlers: California was settled (other than Natives) from Mexico first and from the Eastern USA later on. The travels were somewhat risky but nothing compared with traveling to Mars, also California is Paradise not just compared to Mars but to many other places on Earth.
Attempting to colonize Mars with current or foreseeable technology is much harder than if those Antarctica explores of the past had to settle the South Pole with a bunch of dogs and ad-hoc igloos: certain death awaited to them for sure and the same happens to any astronaut crew that risks "settling" Mars with some barrels of water and oxygen and whatever else they may carry in their feeble space vessel.
Before people could sail around the World, there were many millennia of trial and error, people first sailed to the nearest islands (that's the Moon for you space-freaks) and found there something that was livable and interesting, something (maybe just fish, whatever) what brought them back, what demonstrated that their risk was not utterly futile. There's no fish in outer space: nearly nothing of value for us (minerals maybe but most of them are also available down here on Earth and much easier to acces over here).
This book has been on my read list for a while for a few reasons! I agree with the sentiment of us being more safety conscious (definitely true, even comparing the first manned space program with today), but of course the pilgrim/sailor comparison can only be so applicable to another planet.
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@@LuisAldamiz i think you overvalue the avaiability of minerals, especially rare earths, on earth, also a lot of the deposits are concentrated in certain specific places, so either we go to war over them, or find more without giving money to adversaries
I don't think that that's necessarily true, we just don't have the same *NEED* to get to Mars nor the capability to do it right away. In the past if you had the funding you could grab a ship and crew and go your merry way but space travel requires infrastructure and industry. Many of our riskiest operations were driven by profit and seizing new land but there's no similar drive to get to Mars due to the fact that Mars is not immediately exploitable with an immediate return on investment. Trust me as soon as we need something from Mars we will be there in force.
I am too old to go now but we should already be there and I would have given it a shot when young. It is the biggest failure of my generation to have disregarded space after the Apollo missions.
I think the biggest failure was not looking after earth & climate change
Apollo was a political stunt to embarrass the Soviets. Nobody has serious desires to live off of Earth.
@@SwordsmanRyan Nobody no matter how rich they are, could enjoy living in a completely different environment, I think Apollo was just out of mans curiosity, to see whats on the moon.
@@SwordsmanRyan SINCE I WAS A YOUNG BOY I WANTED TO GO TO SPACE AND I HAVE FELT CHEATED ALL MY LIFE THAT WE AS A NATION DID NOT CONTINUE GOING FARTHER AND FARTHER INTO SPACE. THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM THAT I SEE WAS WHEN SOMEONE DIED EVERYTHING STOPED AND IT TOOK FOREVER TO GET GOING AGAIN. SPACE IS A VERY UNFORGIVING PLACE TO MAKE A MISTAKE IN. IF YOU DO YOU ARE DEAD. LOTS OF GOOD PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GOING BACK INTO SPACE. WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE SERVITUDE TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE THEY DIED.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT IF OUR ANCESTORS HAD GONE WEST WITH THE SAME ATTITUDE AS WE HAVE GOING TO SPACE, WE WOULD STILL BE ON THE EASTERN SHORE OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ACROSS WITHOUT SOMEONE GETTING KILLED. PEOPLE WILL DIE BUT WE WILL GO BOLDLY FORWARD AND MEET OUR DESTINY. I HOPE.
@@wellingtonaviationchannel634 China pollutes 4X what the US does.... Do you think they would wreck their economy to hug trees as you suggest?
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Has it ever struck to you that you're an unoriginal, unimaginative moron ?
Great video! I love your take on the subject. And thanks a lot Alex for the shoutout ❤️
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I like those regolith constructions much more than the ugly, futurist habitat bubbles that you always see in concepts. The regolith seems much more natural and a lot less sterile and modernist. Interested to see what architecture can come from this.
As long as they don't create traffic jams, I'm good lol
exactly!! living in something like this seems much more natural.. Almost like a self constructed cave.. I would love to see these regolith structures filled to the brim with plants baked in UV light & kept a little wild on purpose!
@Peter Breis It's not as radioactive as reactor waste, not even close. The heavy water coolant used to cool reactors becomes irradiated because radioactive material, like uranium, is in contact with the water, and small uranium molecules get into the water.
On mars, the regolith is not getting contaminated by tiny bits of radioactive material, it's being hit by what radioactive materials cause, radiation, which is not the same thing. Radiation comes in several forms, only one of them can cause radioactivity, and even then, it's very very minor (see the end). Radiation is either in the form of high energy particles (alpha, beta or neutron), which are essentially like super tiny but fast bullets, or high energy light (gamma, x-ray or uv) coming from the sun and other stars. Being hit by high energy particles or high energy light, doesn't cause the hit material to become radioactive, it causes it to become ionized. An ionized molecule is a molecule with an uneven charge, in this case because it lost an electron. That happens because the high energy radiation transfers enough energy to the electron to kick it out of its orbital shell. Once the molecule is ionized, it attracts other molecules and will chemically combine with one, typically oxygen. When something chemically combines with oxygen, its combustion or burning. So being hit by radiation causes things to become ionized, which generally causes them to burn, which is a different effect from being contaminated by radioactive material. Mars is red because it has a lot of iron oxides (rust) in its soil. That makes sense, because over the ages, martian soil has been getting battered by radiation, ionizing it, and then soaking up all the oxygen.
TLDR is martian regolith isn't irradiated, it's burnt.
The only type of radiation that cause any kind of radioactivity in what it hits is neutron radiation. A neutron can occasionally directly hit a nucleus and fuse with it, which for some molecules forms an unstable isotope. That unstable isotope wants to eject that neutron again, which is a form of radiation. However, the half lives of these isotopes are typically super short so the radioactivity never gets far above 0.
I don’t think future mars buildings will be built with aesthetic considerations in mind. The priority will be ease of construction and utility.
I don’t think they will look futuristic at all; the shapes seen in concept art are very complex and difficult to build. Most likely the first buildings will be simple tubes or cylinders, even square structures are more likely than what we see in silly media illustrations.
The current habitats in Antartica will be the model emulated on Mars.
@@APerson-dq4hl Good thinking. Thats the simplest idea I've heard. I'd imagine the process of making the building airtight would be simple to. Maybe spraying some sought of polymer resin on the exposed regolith walls?
I assume insulating the internals from the very cold regolith would just require some foam and foil.
I don't think you'd want heat from the base leaching into the frozen ground, melting and sublimating ices frozen in the soil.
If I were 30 years younger I'd go to Mars in a heartbeat! Don't believe there will be much above ground habitation on Mars. I believe subterranean habitats will eventually be the norm.
You’d turn around in a heartbeat and want to leave soon after arrival and realized how DEAD and BARREN and COLD!!! Mars is! MINIS 81 degrees Fahrenheit on average! You’’l be bombarded with harmful solar radiation which is damaging your DNA! First go to Death Valley in California and see how long you want to stay there. You’ll soon want to leave! And Death Valley is like a lush tropical Paradise compared to Mars!
Is it possible in the (fairly near) future? Absolutely! For me, unfortunately, at 63 years old, no.
I remember my science fiction books as a youngster, and reading about these "impossible" things. Things like space stations orbiting the Earth, rockets that could go into space and then land back safely on Earth, and even the ridiculous notion of having robotic explorers on Mars!
Now look at us...
If stem cell research improves as much as it can in the next 20 years we might see more options for older folks to help with colonies. Fewer psychological issues and better emergency coping with an age mixed group is a significant benefit.
@@shadowgolem9158 True. Right now, the demands are better suited for the young, but even as recently as a century ago, I would have already exceeded my life expectancy by a decade!
I'll just be happy to see the first boot prints on Mars!
yeah, we all know how it goes down when humans conquer new territories. maybe, just maybe, we should put as much effort into improving our mental and psychological makeups as we do technology
@@adventureswithdogs2251 I may be a star eyed optimist but my hope is stem cell therapy can one day make us younger again, at least as far as body durability.
Adventures with Dogs if you are 63 you were a youngster in the sixties/seventies. In that era space exploration was not “impossible”. It had already started and going strong. Science fiction books were simply anticipating the results technology was already developing.
And let’s be honest: most of that science fiction is still science fiction. I remember various movies and tv series about moon bases. We don’t have a moon base yet after 50 years of men getting there. The costs of realizing those fantasies are simply too ginormous.
A part from sending off a bunch of probes into the solar system we have just stuck to our backyard. What most space enthusiasts fail to grasp is that technical capability is a minor factor, the economical aspect is the real major factor that holds us back. And it will always do.
If somebody brings Mosquitoes to the Mars colony, I'm nuking the planet. No arguments
pandora's box
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I really enjoy your videos. Great information easy to understand and told with passion. Keep up the great work. Thank you!
I used to be at nasa as a tool technician and trainer. I would love to go. My dad Harold E. Team what is a senior astronaut trainer at nasa and Ellington air Force Base. And I picked up the torch in the 80s. I would love to be on a Mars mission. I still have many skills that would be useful there. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing this.
My man, you maybe an excellent technician but you are not superman. The medical scientist should have taught you that you can not survive outside of Earth's magnetosphere. All this talk about going to Mars is just for the sake of funding, they know that it cant be done.
@@faybrianhernandez2416 Why? If your saying it's because of radiation protection - inverse square law - distance of mars - and artificial protection all provide enough reduction to make it seemingly possible. Robert Zubrin debunked that already.
Do you mean you'd like to visit Mars then come back, or would you want to go and live the rest of your life on Mars in a colony?
@@faybrianhernandez2416 says faybrian Hernandez.
During a NASA-sponsored architectural research studio I partook a few years ago in college, we proposed storing the water within the outer skin of the spacecraft to provide radiation shielding. However, our project brief was calling for the architectural design (less focus on the practical engineering) of a post-initial-settlement spacecraft-habitat hybrid to ferry larger numbers of ‘regular’ folks to the planet, after an initial base had been set up. As such, we proposed using water mined from icy asteroids/ comets and/ or the moon as the ideal source to fill our large, rotating habitat’s hull. Because of it’s weight, water is not feasible as shielding for anything that has to be built and launched in one piece from earth. With space construction and mining, it becomes more viable.
P.S. Two of the professors at my college were part of the team that designed the Mars Ice House that you showed; one of whom co-taught that studio.
P.S.S. We also proposed an aquaponics system for semi-self sufficient food production during the journey to and from Mars and across the solar system. This was the focus of my research. Other team members worked on integrating flora and miniature ‘parks’ as part of a larger biophilic design ethos to alleviate the psychological problems of being in a space torus. All these systems can be applied to the Martian surface much more effectively than in space.
Walrus Bellhop Architectural designer- I’ve only graduated a little more than a year ago, and haven’t been in the field long enough to get a license. The studio was quite the experience, however I was in the last semester it was offered at my old college unfortunately. It definitely got crazy because of the intense schedule, but the knowledge I gained and the experience itself was invaluable. However, given that this was an architecture school and not an engineering program, we did not delve into the engineering and technical aspects of space travel as much as other schools that ran the course as part of their engineering programs did. We took a broader look at some of the structural and life support systems (ECLSS), etc. to focus on alternative methodologies for constructing the structure and shell of the craft in space using collapsible/ deployable pre-fab structural frames and flexible skin systems, origami, etc. Different teams in the overall class specialized on different aspects of the project, and I focused my research into adapting hydroponics technology and methodology into producing food (plants and fish) inside our space born habitat. This included determining spatial requirement ranges to produce food for X number of people, and the types of food to produce. Such a hydroponics system could also supplement life support systems by recycling much of the human and food waste into new, fresh food products and help recycle the air. This was built upon by another team to support miniaturized parks in the habitat and into a general biophilic design across the interior to help combat the sterility of present day spacecraft design (think Spacelab and Mir, to the shuttle, Soyuz, and the ISS. The semester culminated with constructing a scaled architectural mockup of one of the primary habitat modules. Of course, given this was a college project over the span of a few months, the work was largely theoretical and paper based, with limited real world testing. It’s also based on a combination of present day and near future technology, and how they could evolve and be applied later this century onwards. Government and private space agencies would have a lot of work to do to flesh out and troubleshoot the ideas we explored, and test it scientifically; but, our semi-paper proof of concept was about showing what could be done- within our lifetimes- using real world technology, and scientific principles. Of course, this all depends first and foremost on political will and funding, which is sorely lacking for the type of stuff we proposed. All in all, it was a tremendous learning experience, and NASA does pick and explore ideas they get from schools through the program. So, maybe we’ll see in the decades to come if anything is picked up from what we did. Lol :)
Amazing! Thank you for sharing❤️
It's sad our government isn't willing to invest that kind of knowledge and finances here...instead of a military budget that's over HALF of our national budget.
@@sharongillesp ikr i live in europe but
america should really not focus on military atm there isn't much threats + covid 19 is being focused on by everyone
and the sooner we can learn more about mars we might as well someday make cleaning earth easier
Sterling The projected time period for this hypothetical project is late 21st to early 22nd century, based on existing technology and predicted developments. We’re nowhere near building full scale O’Neil cylinders yet. Long term, yes they’re the likely the best solution. But we’re a ways off still from that. Smaller torus stations will be the stepping stone to O’Neill cylinders and may very well eventually be tileable, modular constructions that grow as needed into larger, O’Neill cylinder sizes.
All of this is making me think 😔 how granted we are taking our very own beloved planet 🌏EARTH.
True....
Man all the hardships of just getting there intact makes me think what a wonderful planet we live in.
It’s ok if they don’t land in 1 part. It’s just a “rapid unscheduled disassembly” - Elon
It's amazing how calm and peaceful it is for hundreds and millions of years. It takes a giant asteroid to really cause any problems for life.
Not for much longer ... enjoy it while it lasts ...
I live on this one.
Exaclty why we shouldnt be thinking of leaving to a place thats already the future of earth. We may as well stay here and evolve with the earth, instead of starting over.
Mars is an epic waste of resources, resources we could be using to survive here
Imagine living without insects :o
No spiders, mosquitos, nothing..
We would be bringing out microorganisms on our body to Mars. So there would kinda be bugs.
That's on Mar's surface. I think maybe we will bring all sorts of things (critters) with us...wherever we go.
S. Gillespie We would have to bring a large amount of plants there to make them survive. I dont know if they would survive at that environment
I want to be the person to take mosquitoes to Mars. And release them into the habitat.
@@supercomputer0448 Mars gets very cold. Without standing water, mosquitoes could not sustain life or reproduce. Lack of Oxygen would also cut their life very short.
Being 60 my wish and hope is to watch the man Mars landing . With the speed that things are going . I have a chance fingers crossed
Its supposed to happen in 2026 . I personally think early 2030s.
Probably closer to the 2030's, is my guess.
Deluded, it's gonna be catastrophic. We can't live anywhere other than earth Way too many problems to consider
2036 is my guess or 2038
@@michaelkb8-245 Your comment is the only one logical. Is not too many problems to consider, is toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many even wasn't considered about.
Just puts in perspective what a precious thing we have on Earth and why we should do our best not to ruin it.
Polution, environmental destruction, mindless resource consumption - these things need to be on our minds more and more and we need to do more to reduce them.
Without breakthroughs in energy production and faster, more efficient, less wasteful transportation, Mars colonization is just a dream.
We could send humans to Mars for short mission probably in the near future, but colonization is a whole different matter.
Ruin it? Sure in the short term yes but Mother Nature is king, if we fucked this planet, a few hundred thousand years it’ll be normal again
@@phoenixsamus Mars will not be so forgiving though.
Spend less time on social media. First step to
Reduce carbon footprint 😎
We wont ruin the earth. We will just make it impossible for human civilization to continue. When the planet is disrupted enough by us, we will be wiped out by nature, and then the pre-human ecology will be restored automatically after a few hundred thousand or million years . Just like how all the wildlife came back inti the streets during this covid thing
@@phoenixsamus That's a very true thought...Earth isn't in danger...we are. No matter how badly we fuck it, the Earth will just orbit the sun for a million years and voila - fixed. It's just that we won't be there to see it. The ultimate karma.
Such an interesting topic! I just can't stop thinking about how sad it is that in our lifetimes we are probably not going to find out how the colonies turn out. Let's just wish humanity good luck 🤞
There is all of time ahead of us that we will miss out on once we die, but we have the great privilege and responsibility of deciding whether or not life will get a foothold in the universe after we are gone; let's not waste that opportunity! Life may not get another chance like this to permanently avoid extinction, and for all we know the window of opportunity may be small for our species.
It's very sad.... but against the odds of the universe we must continue to push to the new extremes and adapt to new things, otherwise humanity won't have a chance to continue it's existence elsewhere in the universe, once doomsday comes to us in approximately 1 billion years from now(or sooner due to some massive collision) .. Hypothetically, humanity could outlive the fate of planet Earth, but it would require huge advancement in physics, biology and chemistry,... something we just started to come to grasps with over the last few centuries.
We should get to see a human land on mars
Well, fortunately in the grand scheme of things we can just be happy to experience this crazy ride :D
We are basically the universe experiencing itself, analyzing and learning about itself. We should always appreciate that while we can :)
Actually there is a condition that a lot of people have (whether they know it or not) that applies to the weightless condition. Before sending anyone up into space, they observe them very carefully to see if this condition is present. In effect, experiencing zero gravity is like feeling the sensation of falling continuously without end. This feeling of constant falling, but never hitting bottom, can cause a psychotic break over time. As I, myself, do not handle the sensation of falling well (I never ride any roller coaster that has any kind of drop over 1 or 2 seconds in length), I would never be able to go to any other planet or space craft, even if I ever had the opportunity.
So, y'all have fun out there! If you want me, I'll be here on Earth!!
Similarities between Earth and Mars:
Both basically have the same day cycle
Both are rocky bodies
Differences between Earth and Mars:
*Literally everything else*
Similar angle of tilt so has seasons
Atmospheric pressure that makes it easy to build things
Similar temperature to some places in Earth
You forgot something!
It's the breathing gas
@@franchufranchu119 The atmospheric pressure on Mars is equal to what it is at around 45km of altitude on Earth, less than 1% of what it is at sea level. To a human being that is practically a vacuum.
Famous words when landing on another planetary body:
The Moon: 'That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind."
Mars: "First!"
Mars- "There are only two genders"
Mars Rovers: "Hold my whatever."
😆😫
In Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy the first words are: "Well, here we are"
"Yeet"
This is without doubt the best space channel I have seen.......by many space miles. I found your channel at 3 am, right when I was going to bed - I cant stop watching. Thankyou.
mars has a lot of stuff in common with the earth in the same way that an anatomy skeleton in health class has a lot in common with living human beings.
except we have tissue, organs, blood, plasma, brains and otherwise functional with living bodies, whereas the skeleton is just a skeleton.
mars is missing a few very important things. things like food, water, air, atmosphere, and a magnetic field.
so it's a lot like comparing an anatomy skeleton to a living human. it has some similarities, but one is alive and the other is returning dust.
Here lives the Life. There it is not.
I love that analogy!
And the gravity, it’ll lead to people evolving differently after a few hundred years of living there and several generations
This is a great analogy
This brings me back to being a young person reading sci-fi and getting excited about future's possibilities. I would love to see humankind land on Mars before 💀
i come here because i saw Astrum in spanish at first and Rafa is very very nice :) he also had a yt channel about geopolitical history, very interst too.
Amazing video Alex. We are dreaming of the moment when we can actually colonize the Red Planet. 🇧🇷😍☄
Why do dream of that? Sounds like nightmare to me .
Wow, I didn't know we had a Brazilian channel. Now I can share it with some non English speakers friends!
@@Djr67 Oh, I dream of putting my feet on Mars since I was little. But maybe I played Mass Effect a lot 😁👍
@@cartolla Thank you Eduardo. It's a new channel, but lots of videos on the way. 🇧🇷👍
@Andrei Igorev Sim Andrei. Já temos vários vídeos postados e muitos a caminho. Dá uma conferida depois e deixa um feedback 🇧🇷👍
The perchlorates on Mars are my biggest concern. That planet does not want us there, but we're sure as hell going to go!
Good point. Does this then mean that we can expect to have to have perchlorate waste dumps on Mars?
Concern, but also a great resource. You can use enzymes to break the perchlorates apart and you get oxygen for free. You need some bioreactors to make the enzymes, but that has already been tested on Earth. ("Perchlorate on Mars: A chemical hazard and a resource for humans", International Journal of Astrobiology 12/4 2013)
It's definitely outside of our comfort zone.....
@@bzqp2 that's a great point.
Perchlorates shmerclorates, just wash em out with some water. Problem solved
With your video program I found some spotlight on colonizing Mars , I hope it will happen soon, I wanted to witness this while I'm still here.
I don’t think it’ll go well at first. There’s always unknowns and things that can go wrong in with the best laid out plans but I think will eventually get there but not in the qualities they think. Man is very adaptable and I think we will
hopefully we'll learn from the moonbase what sort of issues could arise and how to effectively deal with them
Think of it as one big adventure
I think the first crew we send won't even make it to mars. Like you say there just so much that can go wrong and the trip is long. Even when we do manage to get settled, life for Martians will absolutely suck for a long, long time. You have to have a lot of fortitude to make this trip. Your basically signing up for a lifetime of super tough, spartan living with little joy to be had.
Life cant adapt to the kind of radiation outside of Earth's magnetosphere, a trip to mars is a suicide mission.
Sir Flanksalot Good morning yes I think the moon base is good idea and personally I think every time we’re going to space we were a little bit more people don’t realize you can’t just load up a rocket and shoot it
at a planet and get there. It takes time and experience or trial and error, I’m not sure what all the benefits are in getting to Mars but a lot of that we won’t know till we get there
Settlement on Mars looks way better than the house I live in.
Sign me in.
Really? I wouldn't think so
In the house where you live you breathe atmospheric oxygen. In a Mars settlement you will breathe bottled oxygen either transported from earth or expensively produced from frozen water. What will happen to you if your oxygen supply is cut off?
@@johnmaxwell1750 you could recycle oxygen
Sorry about that SmashEX. Good luck in either place!
@@johnmaxwell1750 you do understand someone could just cut our oxygen on Earth by cutting down all of the plants. They can kill all the algae in a we will slowly suffocate. The Earth is just a giant
Colonizing Mars would be the most ridiculous, absurd and illogical endeavor since the beginning of mankind.
Amazing! Thank you 🌻🌿
We are going to Mars for sure, its not the question of how but when. It’s the human curiosity that has gotten us here and we will continue to be curious, even if it has risks, otherwise we wouldn’t have gone to moon, ever. Mars is the next frontier and our curiosity will guide us at every opportunity to take us there.
Our curiosity about Mars can be safely satisfied by robots at a cost that is a hundred times less (maybe a thousand times less) than it will cost to send humans there for a much shorter visit and to bring them back to earth.
@@johnmaxwell1750 We already did the curiosity bit with the rovers. imo regardless of the propaganda the manned mission is about capturing the best resource areas for future settlements which will be the foundation of colonies.
A trip to Mars would be a suicide mission, a one way trip. Once outside the Earth's magnetosphere living beings will lose the ability to digest food and are subject to the same deadly radiation. It may take 3 months to get to Mars but will take a longer time to get back. It just isn't survivable.
Not so much, given how much SpaceX has improved! We just had 57th successful mission and it’s now turning out more like Airline “successability”, meaning it’s becoming a constant thing, which is a good thing. I am very much optimistic about Mars exploration, given we now have the technology to go there. About living there or dying there, actually not many people care as it’s just about going there first. And SpaceX is adamant and much more prepared for going there (it’s a race against other companies and amongst themselves to go there), with obvious preparations of course. Within next 10 years, i am pretty sure humans will land on Mars. Risks are involved, lives are involved, but if these things don’t get involved then we all must cease our curiosity and every opportunity to land on Mars. Dragon Demo 2 wouldn’t have happened, if we go by that notion. Remember how much SpaceX has achieved in just 10 years
If we ever find out a way to go to Mars, Matt Damon should be our first go to guy.
He knows how to survive there.
YES! Poop Potatoes!!
Matt Damon vs Bear Grylls on Mars
"Who's going to feast on Earth's sky and drink their rivers dry?"
"MMC!"
"Who's going to stomp their mountains into fine Martian dust?"
MMC!"
"Till the rains fall hard on Olympus Mons, who are we?"
"MMC!"
The rains did fall on olympus mons so you're no longer mmc brah
What's MMC?
@@matiastoledo4201 Martian Marine Corps, the quote is from The Expanse.
capitalist intrigue and corporate warfare, cant wait
@@matiastoledo4201 Martian Marine Corp. - from the sci-fi book series " The Expanse" now playing on Amazon Prime. 4 seasons...5th season coming!
Imagine the horrors hidden in there, the many new ways to die exclusive to mars.
Yep, you get a hole in your suit and that -100 degree carbon dioxide kills you, for all we know the "water" there is toxic
Very true
True, the trip itself will probably kill you after 3 months.
@@HobbyOrganist the carbon wont kill you, the vaccum will
You'd literally have all your exposed body liquids boil and your air will literally fart itself out of you and if you hold your breath, your lungs would literally fucking rupture.
Mars is a cold hell
@@faybrianhernandez2416 lol yeah true. People could barely handle this covid lockdown lmfao
Can't think of many things I would rather do LESS. Good luck to you volunteers. Have fun.
If we could live on earth with same amount of care and recycling it would be great. A bird in hand is worth two in bush.
Edit: am not against Mars exploration. In fact I love it. It’s good to have two planets than sharing fate with T-Rex 🦖
Stfu
Yes u are right but exploring should also be done ...to see the mysteries unfold
way more difficult than on mars. earth has an environment already - and 7 billion people that all somehow want to live, and not only same fish salad every day. mars has nothing and everything needs to be build from ground up - by a small amount of carefully selected people that know the restrictions they will face and are educated how to deal with them. thats a complete different situation with complete different challenges.
You already have a very complicated biosphere on Earth. Large scale development of such systems on Earth is financially unfeasible, and you'd need to account for the distruption of local environment.
Yes but the quicker we colonize other planets, the quicker we will have enough resources and more better capabilities for earth and other planets.
"You don't know the first thing about terraforming a planet!" - Master Shake
Perhaps start building large scale colonies on the seafloor, on North/South poles, or even high earth orbit or even on the moon first. The experiences gained from these constructions would be invaluable for future mars projects.
I hope that i live long enough to see it.
Caitgems1. You wont!
@@wilhelmushoffmann8054 sadly true.
@@caitgems1 no you will SpaceX sed it up to 2025
Don't worry, Once you die you'll see some weird stuff that's much more fascinating than Mars.
@@maiarghanayim4566 so you had a taste of death ?
I saw a presentation at the Hayden Planetarium, in NYC, in the late 1960's (!!) called '12 Minutes to Mars'. The (1960's) estimated time for a radio signal to be transmitted to the red planet, and returned with just the word "Roger". The Cold War was in full swing back then, and everything was looked at from a military advantage stand point.
I got to watch Apollo astronauts walk on the Moon, and hope to at least see a manned ship orbit Mars, similar to our orbiting the Moon before an actual landing.
*And meanwhile, hey earthlings: get your act together* !
I would be satisfied to see manned missions back to the moon.
I highly doubt a manned mission will be sent to Mars without landing there! Everything involved would dictate that once there, we will land. Due to the trajectories of the planets, and rate of orbit around the sun, once a crew arrives there, they will have to wait approx a year and a half to embark on their return trip... so yeah, if we go, we land...
When the two planets are at their closest to each other, that is the round trip time for messages via photons. It’s not an old estimate that has been corrected.
I’m loving this channel!
What a great challenge it is! But if we dare to dream of something as incredible as inhabiting the Mars, we should be ready for roadblocks like these. With great dreams comes great challenges.
Such dreams also give birth to unprecedented, fascinating inventions , ideas and concepts. Successful or not, such challenges push us forward towards advancement and prove helpful in realising many more such dreams. We gain, in any case.
Very true!
Such inspiring words.
Beutifully written मयंक
How about a great Earth with democracy and freedom for all! Wait until that happens first.
@@silentwhisper8633 we will land on mars before that happens lol
I feel like Covid was actually a secret training course to psychologically prep a Mars colony. lol
Exactly what I was thinking!
Ah, yes. People starving in third world countries due to economies crashing would be perfect for emergency situations. Just like the Martian 👁👄👁
@@internetdinosaur8810 Hard times make strong men, so yes, it just might help.
The good times have lasted dangerously long now in the industrialised world.
hmmm, yeah, a couple of months of cloistered living and people are going stark raving mad. Now imagine people cloistered in tin cans on Mars, no internet, no return voyage, live and die with a handful of others.
I'll believe all those eager Mars volunteers when someone opens a commercially successful year-round resort on Antarctica, a comparative garden spot to the most habitable spot on Mars.
@@CarFreeSegnitz "a couple of months of cloistered living and people are going stark raving mad" Many people are losing their mind, indeed.
But is the majority getting unhinged? Some people even *like* it.
Besides, a Mars colony will not be a mainstream destination for a long time yet. So your Antarctic resort analogy fails; Mars trips won't be holidays, they will be long-term contract gigs.
Oh, and there will be something resembling Internet, with less content. Mostly mirrored from the original one.
Ty for this channel!
5 seconds ago and youtube already recommended me your video.. wow, just wow..
maybe someone will watch this video 100 years from now on mars🤔
Thanks for hard work.
We aren’t colonizing mars ever.
Ye of little faith.
I remember Stephen Hawkings' series "Into the Universe" on Channel 4 when he hypothesised that humans will have to modify ourselves to survive and explore space. He said that that is how we will evolve.
Neuralink combine AI with human intel. can be that first step to hybrid humans ;-)
So once we leave Earth,no coming back!
He was probably good physicist but not biologist. No living cell can survive such low density of atmosphere and no DNA chain can sustain itself in such level of radiation
As recently as the 1980s I was working in Africa where instant communication was not always possible. We would send a driver to a public telex station with a message and send him back two days later to see if there was a reply. Making a telephone was a luxury. A round trip for a message of under an hour sounds quite good.
Martian soil is toxic, due to relatively high concentrations of perchlorate compounds containing chlorine. The atmosphere on Mars consists less than 0.2% oxygen (Earth has about 21% oxygen) and atmosphere is so thin, it is nearly a vacuum compared to Earth.
Yea, Some people think it would be somewhat easy and habitable .. Mars Is not a fitting match for humans, We should look somewhere else , But Mars is great for robot research as they are doing it now .
The perchlorates can be washed out of the soil for crops and certain biomes of life on earth can even thrive in these conditions.
It’s not that difficult to maintain a building with 1 atm pressure difference. This is about the same level needed to make a bubble of air 10 feet below water.
Where some see a problem others might see an opportunity. Percholrates are toxic but they also are a good oxidizer that can be potentially used to generate energy , as a part of a propellant system or even decomposed to give off the very same oxygen that the Mars atmosphere lacks. Not saying that it is going to be easy but those reasons are not a complete showstopper and can even be reasons to go there.
Even though the air is very thing it does give some warmth, some radiation protection, and protection from micro-meteors. Which is a huge improvement over the moon. The length of day is better, the regolith isnt anywhere near as abrasive as lunar soil, swings in tempertures are less extreme, and its a much closer visit than most of the solar system is, considering its our neighbour.
Saying all that if Venus had an atmosphere equal, or even 90% of Earths we would have already colonised it. But compared to the moon, Mars is a paradise.
we should become cyborgs before going to mars
13:42 sounds like a regular day to me :D
Really love the background music in this video.
Thank you for your presentation. Yes, I would have went to Mars. But I will be 70 this year.
Maybe the moon is a better option for me now.
Thanks, Don
For the love of God, Just don't use cockroaches.
For the love of science*. 😉
Nice reference
Terra Formars
Nice anime
@@smithologist5272 Terrible anime. Good manga.
@@kovi567 NERD!
Three months isn't a long time until I started wondering if I would be able to NOT LEAVE my home for three months. Time takes on an entirely new meaning. Staying inside my home for 90 to 100 days; consistent days would drive me nuts. I think my sanity would begin eroding after just 2 wks! Don't think I'll be going to Mars; I'll start unpacking now.
Btw, excellent video 👍🏻😊.
We have a beautiful planet here if we chose to look after it!
Some of us are already looking after it, mate. But we need more people To consider veganism, to vote considering the environmental issues, to don't throw waste everywhere, to try to help the poor ones, to accept more other religions and cultures.
@@DIYyourlife365 - No, what we need is LESS people - period.
@Ahmad Virk you know that animal agriculture requires 70% of all grains produced? Cattle alone (removing wild animals, fish etc) require the calorie intake of 8.7 Billion people. Being vegan, just mean that humans require less resources. In reality we should produce less children, eat less meat, and consume responsibly (or change our global economical system). that's the only way we can make earth a better place.
Have a great trip guys! I'll stay behind with the women, beaches, good food, fishing, trees, grocery stores, cozy magnetosphere, and breathable atmosphere. 🌎
with global warming, yup💅🏽
True that. Women are going to mars though. Mostly women actually
Mountain, trees, animal, river .. all the God have given to human on earth.. ya am staying.
and yes , earth still lot of beautiful women... Yes am staying.
@@Nando-wz8hc A warming of 1.5°, maybe 3° is the end of the world, but living at -50°C on Mars is - somehow - no problem?
Thanks
Very interesting but I would never consider moving to Mars. With all the hustle you just described, I rather live and die on my beloved Earth:)
Agree. Nobody will volunteere to go there.
@@juri2001 people have volunteered to go there already. A lot more than you think.
juri2001 autocorrect: no one with a sane mind will volunteer to go there.
And no one will force you to go, Joseph. We only want people to go who want to go.
@@juri2001 there's a lot of people who,
Mankind: Dreams of terraforming distant Mars
Also Mankind: Completely inept at responding to rampant climate change on nearby Earth.
Yeah just like the dinosaurs couldn't stop rampant GLOBAL COOLING 65M years ago. The warmth earth once had never did recover....
Earth? Don’t think I’ve heard of that one yet..
Pipe dream. Not a chance at all. Waste of money while we dump garbage into the water here. Plastic polluting the whole echosystem of the ocean, how long before it starts killing us. Microscopic plastic in your kidneys? What's that going to cause. Grow plants on Mars... 🤦 Or the moon..... 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦.
@@lyriccmaster5681 it's everybody's responsibility the us has done as much as every other country. Nobody even mentioned the us. Also we can do both colonize mars and fix the earth idk if you know but things we research for colonisation could also be helpfull on earth like this reactor there talking about could also be used here as green energy.
@Tommy Hammernots What a shame all them wily scientists you talk about just won't seem to listen to internet sages like you. Must me some conspiracy =.O
From what I understand the biggest hurdle of space travel is the constant bombardment of cosmic rays and radiation. Even the space station is basically swiss cheese when it comes to protecting its inhabitants. The effects of space on the human body are severe.
Why are we not first trying a colony on the moon is what I would like to know!
Because we know that it’s possible on mars knowing there was water and life there.
Start a company and do it. Musk is going to Mars because he thinks it's a good idea. It's his company and he, just like everyone else can do what they want. There are always going to be drawbacks and compromises for anything, but if we wait for the perfect solution before doing anything then nothing would ever happen.
@@codymacintyre8935 We don't know if there was life and we know most of the water isn't available anymore.
@Mickey Finn Not everything is purely for survival (like whatever you're using to leave comments).
There are already volunteers. Starship and future craft is how Musk is planning to transport people.
And I didn't say "just a good idea." Surely, someone so clearly learned can parse the difference between "a good idea" and "just a good idea."
My original point was it's more practical if you take the approach to things with the mindset of not allowing perfection to be the enemy of good.
I have no idea what that last bit is about...maybe you weren't held enough as a child or something?
Dont you know that the Artemis Program exists? we will first have colonys on moon for sure, its planned for 2023-27
The writer should read "The Case for Mars", by Robert Zubrin. Most of the problems he brings up are solved or of little concern.
Rick
Pie in the sky.
@@nigel900
Hi Nigel,
Thank you for your thoughtful and interesting comment. But don't put yourself down. It is not pie in the sky to consider reading a book! Many, many people have done it before! If it seems too intimidating, try reading one chapter at a time. This breaks the effort down into smaller steps, and makes it easier than reading an entire book in one sitting.
;-D
I personally recommend it. I have learned many things from reading books over the years.
Warm regards, Rick.
(@Rick Smith) You know precisely what I was referring too.
@@nigel900
Hi Nigel,
If you read the book I was suggesting, Mars Exploration does not seem so Pie in the Sky.
Other books I recommend:
-- "The Geology of Mars: Evidence from Earth Based Analogs", Edited by Mary Chapman.
-- "Moons and Planets", by William K. Hartmann. (Dislikes nuclear power but otherwise good.)
-- "On to Mars: Colonizing a New World".
-- "The Case for Space", by Robert Zubrin.
The first is a bit technical, the middle two - middling, and the last one is a fairly easy read.
Warm regards, Rick.
@igeto12
Hi Igeto12,
Robert Zubrin is an engineer, and runs Pioneer Astronautics, which does engineering on space technology. (His company has been awarded dozens of NASA contracts.)
I recommend his books, he gives a very hard headed look at the problems of exploration and colonization, in "The Case for Mars".
Warm regards, Rick.
Quite true Nitin.
“Mars is colder than we think”x. just know that
Mickey Finn 🤷
At can get as hot as a summer in Norway an colder then Antarctica
Is it possible to set up a internet like they are doing with starlink In space ?
Like relay stations ?
Great video .
💙
Yes, but it would take ~20mins to load a webpage 😅 it would be better if Mars had it's own internet and just downloaded chunks of useful websites from ours from time to time
@@therealist3495 It wouldn't solve the problem of delay, but starlink could serve as the backbone of a Mars Starlink network, and as per Astrum Earth and Mars internet could sync servers on a regular basis. With multiple high bandwidth lasers, key communications like news and messages could be synced every 30 min to every ~3 min. Live communications are just not possible, but messaging, email, social media and uploading videos to youtube should be alright (albeit with delay on going live). Same goes for watching Earth videos on Mars.
Talk about latency!!!
I been thinking the same too... I think the problem could be easily solved. With just one big payload of 500 starlink Sat's in the starship rocket... Then get them into orbit and get them to orbit inbtween mars and earth. That would massively help. So instead of weak signal going to Earth to Mars.... Info would go. Through the relay sat in a circlur orbit and hit Mars much faster 😀😀
@@khuramnasar549 And what would that change? The signal still has to travel the distance, regardless of how many stops is has in between
Grateful
We could send Matt Damon there
But then we'd have to rescue him... again.
Agreed
I heard he was up on charges of space piracy.
With all the money we've spent on rescuing matt Damon, we coulda has a base on Mars by now. Lol
“Perceverance launching this summer” me rn- I’m 4 parallel universes ahead of you right now.
Water recycling will have to reach new levels there!
I think the people trying to leave Earth to go on to build and live on Mars are doing the rest of us a favour (thumbs up!)
Moon first. We need to prove we can sustain human life on a foreign object right in our back yard before we go 3 months away.
True, but on the other hand, scientist know darn well that an extended trip to the moon or mars is not survivable. Mars is a suicide mission, a one way trip.
I agree. I’m really excited to see how the Artemis mission will go.
@@masonpl4704 I don't think the Artemis mission is going to get to the moon. If Trump loses this fall, which is likely, I think all projects attached to his administration will be cancelled. More likely is that the next people on the moon will be Chinese, IMO.
@@faybrianhernandez2416 who said that? I don't see any major reasons why either aren't survivable
Faybrian Hernandez How the fuck is it not survivable. Put a bunch of rock and soil between you and the sun and you dont have to worry about radiation. Coming back from mars will be a technical challenge but it might just come down to multiple resupply trips from starship.
Very good review...just will say that by having insects as well as fresh soil would help with the mixing of the soil Marshas in it...
"Confined to a small space. Stuck with the same people. Often eating the same thing and with constant tasks and stress."
You have just described a call-centre agents life. Most of who would be glad to up and leave Earth after dealing with customers and the general public.
One foot infront of another..
I'm good staying on Earth, but it's pretty awesome that I'll get to see us colonize Mars, and perhaps the Moon (Venus and Titan, perhaps not in my lifetime).
how was this just posted and is already in my recommended
Matt Damon makes living on Mars so easy. He "Scienced the s*** out of this.."
If and only if you are a geologist. Otherwise, he won't make it.
He should be first person we should be sending to Mars.
He knows how to survive there.
Mason Lee I believe he was a botanist not a geologist.
@@deiniolbythynnwr926 thats entirely possible if properly decontaminated and then fertalized with biological waste from the humans.
That being said aquaponics is probably the best way to go in order to get varied diets for the mars people.
Yeah. Makes it somewhat ironic that the only reason he was stranded there in the first place was a complete piece on non-scientific hokum. I refer of course to the fact that due to the extremely thin atmosphere, even the highest of winds on Mars would stand no chance of toppling the spaceship.
Ever to consider settling there? I'll bite. We have moved beyond simple consideration into planning / designing / building and constructing all manner of tools to arrive and survive. We are, on a trajectory to do this in the not too distant future. The coolest part of that from my pov is watching all the amazing mindshare going in to solving these challenges. We are an interesting species with bucket loads of shortcomings thats for certain. However, our ability to adapt to our surroundings, create things to overcome the difficulties therein, have been proven time and time again. It's entertaining to watch the two sides debate the effort. The "why would you do thats" throw out a million reasons not to while the "why not's" smile and say, "Why Not?"...
Frankly, I think we should develop small thorium reactors before even thinking of settling Mars.
Thorium reactors can't be small. At least not if you want them shielded so they won't kill everyone once you turn them on.
@@Tjalve70 idk but i laughed at this so hard
but yeah um sure a thorium reactor will be small.
@@fitmotheyap Why would you claim that a thorium reactor would be small?
And when you say small, I assume you mean smaller than a regular fission reactor.
@@Tjalve70 i was jokin i should have probably added /s at the end
@@Tjalve70 LFTR reactors might be possible to be miniaturized as it doesn't require pressurized containers. Even new designs in light water reactors are being offered in a much smaller size than traditional candu designs stuck in the 60s. Nuclear research in this area has been frozen without any real incentives by governments and without real economic incentives for commercial purposes. This is slowly, very slowly to change.
Oh well, once we learn how to live on Mars, we could then apply that knowledge to our fix our own planet!
Or relief the overpopulation in a more moral way than just having a day of purge every once in a year. This would also relief the production of CO2.
@@catur_a.C Until Mars becomes overpopulated too.
@@kahvaimuri2824 then we have Titan, and if we advance enough in technology to have space curvature ships we could go to the infinite planets with similar conditions to that ones on earth such as Kepler86-f and so on.
@@catur_a.C sure
There are huge challenges in going to, and colonizing Mars, I Definitely don't want to go thanks !!!
How easy life we have got for granted 😢here on Earth
0:23 that looks like teletubbies house lmao
Star Trek in it's infancy...............I LOVE IT!
imagine building all that stuff and when humans get there we realize aliens moved in before us 😬
shoot em
@@channelname4331 Please god, don't send this guy to Mars XD
I'm willing to take full responsibility for the horrible events of the last 24 hours, but you must understand - our interest in their world was purely for the betterment of mankind. Everything has clearly gotten out of hand, yes, but it was worth the risk. I assure you.
The colonists will also need a healthy dose of heavy metal every day to survive on mars
I think the space junkies should go they been building the technology for it.
@@alessandroverganti9992 some AC/DC would make for a pretty sweet Martian National Anthem
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...
First problem might be finding a firm level spot to land. Landing on a slope, or partially on rock could cause the craft to fall over, injuring or killing those inside.
Dont think it’ll happen during our lifetime because there is so much to consider
We'll have a major WWlll long before then that will pretty much eliminate any massively costly space program and colony on mars. WWlll is likely to be nuclear, we'll have a crapload of more imortant things to worry about than sending rockets into space
@@HobbyOrganist ok doomer
@@HobbyOrganist why not weaponize space and literally have godly advantage against any one country, being able to bring it to its knees. Even without including space, improving hyper sonic technology can mean that MAD will no longer feasible and a first strike will win.
We are gonna colonize Mars because always do bad ideas
Source: 200,000 years of human history
@@Reeceeboy there are no natives in mars to genocide so it would not be that bad.
One warren at a time.
We shall drive the Martians out, and take their women for our own.
good one haha
@Gary Allen The tobacco is used on Venus, to pay the Venerian natives for their harvest of Swamproot.
lol
@Gary Allen it really was an ideal future
No joke, I would love to spend my retirement on mars (26 now so that's plausible I guess)
I am 19
@@theyellowbrad8168 I'm 27 and I just quit my job to get involved in Mars Colonization any way I can! I'm converting my living room into a studio to create a UA-cam channel promoting Mars Colonization :)
That will be short ...
I’m 18 now. I can only imagine what the world will be like when I’m 80 years old. Let’s hope a city on Mars is a part of it.
Yes sir
Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper at this stage of the game to send robots there to terraform, instead of people?
Mars cannot be terraformed. That idea is pure fiction.
Mars has a lot of carbon dioxide ice but not nearly enough to make an atmosphere with the density we have on Earth. The whole planet doesn't contain nearly enough gasses in total to produce significant atmosphere. Mars is, and will remain, an airless frozen desert.
Terraform is too big of a plan, we should build dozens of domes make the water flow through the walls, then cover with dirt
@@antonystringfellow5152 We could create a artifical magnetic field which will allow for a bigger atmosphere .
I always had a wierd thought if yiu could send like people that poop alot. Fertilise the martain land and plant seeds..... To get the eco going??
@@antonystringfellow5152 While I agree with you that Mars will never have a breathable atmosphere, with para-terraforming being the better option, but if Mars has enough minerals for fluorine/chlorine on it, it may be possible to use halogen/CFC gasses to increase the pressure and temperature. As some of these are very heavy gasses the quantities needed would not need to be as much and they could contribute to the greenhouse effect hundreds or thousands of time more than CO2. They would also be very difficult to be blown off planet by solar winds.
If there is ever a successful manned mission to mars, this is how I predict it will go: Assuming the crew survives the journey, the landing, they will just walk around plant a flag, do a few scientific studies, call it a day and head back home. It will basically be like the moon landing all over again, just on another planetary body. And just like the moon landing, everyone will lose interest 2 seconds later.
Man is very adaptable indeed, but he still needs to breathe oxygen, drink water, eat. I personally like a bit of diverse landscape, with green and blue, and sometimes water. Take Mars for yourselves all you want, just let me stay here. Thanks
Ditto.
It has to be done. If we don't become a multi planetary species, we are doomed. Too many things can make us go extinct if we stay on one planet.
Drakey Fenix who are “we”?
Mars is like a game we really wanted as a kid We save all our money and work really hard to get it but once we finally get the game we realize it’s not what we wanted and we did all that hard work for nothing