Anti-Tank Chats #7 | Panzerschreck | The Tank Museum
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- Join Historian Stuart Wheeler as he details another anti-tank weapon, the Panzerschreck.
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00:00 | Intro
00:34 | Real Life Accounts
02:13 | Development
05:48 | Operation
12:12 | German Use
#tankmuseum #antitankchats #StuartWheeler #panzerschreck
Hey Tank Nuts! We hope you enjoyed Stuart's latest video. Let us know your thoughts below.
It's tank balls thank you very much!
Thanks for the correction of Schreck!
Why not ask Finland for (Maybe parola museum) for a 88mm rocket for the Panzerschreck.
I'm sorry, but if you are gonna say Raketenpanzerbüchse this often in a video, you could at least take 5 minutes to figure out how its spelled. Because this ain't it chief.
Next week…Panzerfiona.
xD
Torsion powered, multi- warhead launcher - the Onogre.
Panzerdonkey
😂
Quoting the actual source material is one of the things that distinguish quality productions like this from all those clicky baity hacks out there. I can't point it out enough. Also great archival footage and images that really contribute to the substance of the matter and are not often seen elsewhere, let alone in a relevant context.
(The word is still RakeTENwerfer and RakeTENpanzerbüchse though. The German language will never just use half a mouthful when it can get in two of them.)
That's because the channel isn't one guy in a bedroom with a microphone and wikipedia.
@@Skorpychan Don´t know, some videos here seem like it.
@@Skorpychan Nor do they use text to speech software.
That Bazooka shot at 3:58 is an eye-opener! The projectile is tumbling, hits the ground, bounces up and then detonates on the target! Its pot luck where the penetrating jet is going. Last thing you need with an angry and murderous tank 35 yards away.
That bounce was intentional, though. Bazooka crews were instructed to aim slightly in front of their target and make the grenade skip. I don't remember why, though. Maybe it makes aiming easier, because flatter trajectory? There is an old training video about that somewhere on youtube.
@@dipshitdoodah I think I would ignore that instruction as it would make it way too likely that the warhead would detonate prematurely.
The US weapon was 2.36 in/60mm because it adopted as a warhead a failed shaped charge antitank grenade that just happened to be that diameter That proved too heavy to throw far, so you blew yourself up (maybe we should have traded it to the Japanese Army for some sake) when you tried, wrecked M1903's when tried as a rifle grenade, and the idea of a giant rifle grenade launcher on a M2HB heavy machinegun was just too big, heavy and cumbersome. The Bazooka's developers, COL Skinner and LT Uhl, had developed the rocket, but needed a warhead when they discovered that near therir location was stored aupply of the unusable grenades. They borrowed one, unscrewed its tail fins, cut threads on the rocket and screwed the two together. Two problems solved!
Adapt, improvise, overcome!
They did mention that in the previous Bazooka episode, though not in as much detail. 👍
Somebody once told me the war was gonna roll me. I ain't the sharpest tank in the shed. He was looking down his sights with a HEAT round in the pipe with our name written on the warhead. Well, the rounds start comin' and they don't stop comin'. Popped out my hatch and I hit the ground runnin'.
This deserved way more likes. Thank you sir😂🤣
Very informative, I especially like that parts being discussed are highlighted (Red) during the discussion. Thanks for the great video. :)
This series is awesome. Well done and very informative.
i love this series of videos, it got bit a slow start and i was afraid it just might die off, but lately theres been many videos released, which is great.
Don't forget the Raketenwerfer 43 'Puppchen
I know you are on launchers now but a video on the ptrs-41
These are fascinating devices. Great detail and associated video. Many thanks!
Excellent information thank you for sharing
Outstanding learned a lot from this one , and keep it going very informative info.
Thank you.
Another great video
Cheers
Very interesting and well presented, thank you
Compare the vocabulary of this 19 year old sprog to today's crew. Now it would be 'Uh, yeah mate, we go' shot at, and we fired back. We go' em though mate.'
"Bing, Bang , Boom. Nuff said geez"
Dear me. Never miss an opportunity to denigrate young people of the present day. The man quoted was an officer. The average ordinary private would be a different matter, and would probably less well educated and less well spoken than an equivalent contemporary young person.
A good one again! Thanks!
Great stuff, I’ll go watch the rest of the series 😄
Great video as always. It makes you wonder if the UK could/should have done much the same combination, with a PIAT type warhead, but using the Bazooka propulsion method.
No reason they couldn't. But the question is what the advantage would be and if it would be worth the cost and logistical effort.
The best allied anti-tank system was strategic bombing, though. But that was more of a tank-prevention method.
Don't need a bazooka if the enemy can't make tanks!
I actually think the PIAT was the better of the Bazooka and Panzerschrek. It made very little noise and produced almost no smoke plus it had a good range so the team firing it stood a good chance of staying hidden. The weight was about the same as Panzerschrek. It had a nasty recoil but you can't have everything. The penetration of the latter Panzerschreks was impressive though. The Panzerfaust was unique though. It was small and light and didn't need a 2 man team and the latter longer range ones likely more effective.
-In my view the Panzerschrek could have been improved with 1 Bazooka type optical sights and 2 Replacing the black powder rocket with diglycol to reduce the smoke signature. The Germans were short of diglycol.
@@williamzk9083 While the PIAT absolutely had significant advantages over the bazooka in some areas (as you noted) it also had disadvantages. It was substantially heavier than the 2.36 inch bazookas as appears to have a noticeably shorter effective range (which traded off for the greater firepower). If the recocking mechanism failed that is also problematic.
When the M20 came around it was about the same weight with a comparable warhead and significantly greater effective range. And the British adopting of it says a lot to me.
If I am in charge of procurement for the British Army in 1944, I am certainly not replacing the PIAT with a rocket launcher. But if I am setting up a new army in liberated Europe in 1945 and am offered a supply of either Bazookas or PIATs, I am taking the bazooka over the PIAT without question.
The Nazis were not making mass tank attacks on UK forces as after Normandy, so its a moot point.
Qurious to if you will be doing an episode on the Soviet PTRD-41. You won't see a Russian war drama without it, but it's effectiveness seems to be of a similar sort as its similar rifle-types in German and western use. And of course war films are hardly source for historical accuracy, especially not russian ones about their "great patriotic war", so how about it? Btw, only last week I happened upon a photo on another UA-cam channel with them being used after the war for whale hunting (!), which actually surprised even me... These are great episodes so far, so thanks for every one you're producing!
Great to see more anti tank chats. Looking forward to anti tank mines another subject that needs covering, especially the wooden box mines that Germany used towards the end of the war etc.
Outstanding video and presentation
Really enjoyed it, especially the source material. Have you considered doing a video on the 88mm flak gun? I'd be interested in hearing about its real effectiveness against tanks (Arras etc) let alone aircraft. My father trained on tanks in the early 40s and told me about the fear of German guns and I was wondering whether he meant the 88 or another one.
Ill always remember this weapon from Medal of Honor: Frontline
Not a user friendly piece of kit. Great video, I learned a lot.
great stuff well done
An excellent Anti tank chat. Have you done about the German 128mm pak?
quite funny I have just been reading this book refrenced! :)
I have to think the Panzerschreck was a direct influence on the US developing the M20 super Bazooka.
It was indeed
Telling from 12:24, I take it your video editor is a Quake III Arena fan 😂
I'm sure it's just a stock audio sound, but that is the exact same sound the rocket launcher in Quake III: Arena makes.
As to the 1st account by a British tanker , nice to have a bow-machine gunner on a tank in such combat* . LOL
The CarlGustave and AT4 are the children of the Panzer-wreck. They eventually rifled it.
*-I was a tanker
The rifling on the Carl Gustav would have been minimal as spin degrades the penetration of HEAT significantly.
Why does the director of these insist on using camera angles that make it look as though he's talking to someone else? Stop it! It's very distracting.
interesting tid bit about the different ammunition types. Curious if anyone else had this problem
Do we know what was usual battlefield range of usage for Shreck/Faust ?
The panzer Faust's were rated by range.
Panzer Faust 30 (meters ) 50 and 100.
There was also a late war panzer Faust 150 but this indicates that a fragmentation sleve was fitted to the warhead to give it some anti personnel capacity.
The panzer Shrek like the US bazooka and even the more modern RPG 7 would be hard to hit moving target with past 50 or 60 meters I'm guessing.
The Russians claim 100 meters for moving targets and 250 for stationary with the RPG 7. I'm guessing like any weapon the ability and familiarity of the user makes a big difference.
The German manual D 1864/1 on the Panzerschreck from 1944 gives aiming points on tanks out to 150 m, and for 15 and 30 km/h horizontal movement. In Merkblatt M 506/5 on close range anti-tank fighting, they mention the Panzerschreck can hit stationary targets out to 150 m and moving targets out to 100 m. Merkblatt M 503/4 on the Panzerfaust lists the maximum ranges of the Panzerfaust 30 at 30 m, Panzerfaust 60 at 80 m, and Panzerfaust 100 at 150 m. However, all the manuals also mentions, that you should be as close as possible to the tank to increase the chance of a hit. The Panzerfaust variants in particular have very curved trajectory, so I imagine the listed maximum distances might be optimistic. The Panzerfaust was also issued out like grenades, so its users did not have specialised training on them, unlike the Panzerschreck which was generally issued to two man anti-tank teams that probably had more training on the weapon.
@@fridrekr7510 nice. thx
"although the chances of surviving long enough to fire that many rounds would appear to be remote" 😀
Is it called Panzerschrek in English or is there a C missing?
the C was* missing :) good observation
Schreck and Schrek are pronounced the same in many dialects of English, including mine (General Australian)
The Panzerschreck left the Tank traumatized.
Yep, it had to go to depot for three months of counselling. Fortunately it was covered by insurance.
@@thekinginyellow1744 allways take (insurance) cover
12:22 Is this the Quake 3 Arena rocket launcher sound?`
Awesome. Just home from a gig.
I hope it went well
-Possibly the only correct history of the Panzerschrek which includes is origins in the Racketenwerfer 43 (breeched rocket thrower) as a replacement for the 37mm AT gun and 28mm squeeze bore infantry gun. Many histories only say it was a copy of the Bazooka. (it was indirectly so).
-The Panzerschrek had a much higher muzzle velocity than the US Bazooka but the Bazooka had much better optical sighs and could be set to a much higher range (600 yards instead of just 200m).
-The panzerschrek used black powder propellant which produced more smoke than the diglycol of the US Bazooka. The Germans did have digylcol rockets but the supply of the glycerine for the diglycol was very limited so black powder was used.
-The final version of the Pazerschrek had a shorter tube and got rid of the shield because the rocket now burned out in the tube. Very few were produced. This version also increased range to 180m. By this time Panzerfausts were able to be used to 100m and a 150m version was entering production (but did not enter service) so its likely the Panzerschrek may have been phased out.
-I think the Panzerschrek would have been more effective if it were given a copy of the US Bazooka optical sights and an anti personel round. Digycol propellants would have reduced launched signature as well helping the crew to stay hidden from the tank. (Id prefer a PIAT to stay hidden)
-The Panzeefaust was 3 times more effective than the Panzerschrek because the Panzerfaust was fired at 100m and the Panzerschrek at 30m.
-I suspect it was very hard to keep sights lined up and accurate for targets on this weapon. A drop or bad handling could put everything out of alignment and then there would be difficulty lining it up again. The Raketenwerfer seems to have been a quite accurate and well ranged weapon and the silver and gold awards were not issued for a kill with it.
The Bazooka didn't get an "optical" sight until the M9 which entered production in september 1944 (of which almost none made it to the ETO), and it was just a simple reflector sight, and hence it didn't somehow magically make the weapon more accurate. Also muzzle velocity was the same 265 ft/s as the M1, so effective range was still a lot shorther than with the Panzerschrek which had a MV almost twice that. US soldiers had enough issues hitting anything past 50 yards with the Bazooka, hence hitting anything at 600 yards with it is a fairytale. Unsurprisingly comparisons with the Panzerschrek found the German weapon to be more accurate and with a longer effective range, something the 2nd AD made a big deal out of in their report to Eisenhower in 1945.
Isn't 88 closer to half of 165 than a third? Or am I missing something obvious?
Keep having dreams that ill get to london and check out the museum 😕
You would fail to get in because it isn't in London
I ve taken few shots with modern "shreck", APILAS 112mm rocket.
APILAS is single-use so it's more related to Panzerfaust.
@@vksasdgaming9472 Well jeah , thats true.
Can anyone identify the tracked vehicle in the background (on the right) at 14:50 ?
Marder 3?
@1:59 Benedict Cumberbatch confirmed time traveller or immortal?
The Panzerschreck was like a bazooka on streroids
turned on subtitles just to see how YT's algorithm deals with the panzerschreck :D it's hilarious to see all the "panda strike"-s and "panther rex"-es and of course the Hitler approved name: Panthers Rec
The Shrek jokes right themselves on this one
I don’t think the yellow paint job is really effective at all
My Great Grandpa destroyed three Shermans with a Panzerschreck in the Battle of France 1944.
Good for him. Germany should have won, for human kind. Peace be unto you. And, I mean it!
@@martinwarner1178 wtf…
Why did your grandpa fight? Just wondering.
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How many T-34s did it destroy.
When do we get Panzerdonkey?
Shouldn't this be in the anti-tank Museum not the tank Museum?
how could they miss twice at less than 30 yards away? not even sure if the 3rd. shot was a hit?
They were scared shitless.
Not well trained
Maybe the sight was bent
Shaking hands from being terrified?
It´s not a computer game, there is ar eason why it took like 1000 rounds for one kill, in a computer game, it would be like 2-3
Y'all should have one of these talks hosted by Guy Martin, that way the people who are picking on Stuart for his pronunciation and enunciation will STFU.
Schrecklich toll, dieses Video. I do have a shield, trigger assembly, Raketen box, big fuses box #12, and the glasses in NOS and some Raketen parts. No tube yet.
6:20 Soldier in the background has ants in his pants?
In Normandy, if a Fallshirmjaeger or SS soldier did blow up an "Allied" tank with his anti tank weapon and surrender, "Ike" ordered him to be shot dead!
@@contentsdiffer5958 In another world Ike would get hung by the cruel short drop method much as the US hangman did to German Officers, and for his thine death camps, orders such as these and his abrogation of the protection of POW status by relabeling POW surrendered enemy combatant.
Why such order does not exist?
5:06 How old might that round-faced lad have been when sent in to blow up people and get machine-gunned for his trouble like in the incident recounted at the start of the video?
Germans were conscripting 16 year olds (and accepting younger kids who said they were 16) in 1945. The average age of SS Panzer Division 12 "Hitler Jugund" in Normandy in the Summer of 1944 was 17.
Blow up the tank you mean? It’s an odd story that, missing a tank three times. They weren’t Fallshirmjäger. Young raw recruits at most.
Yeah not a lot of hardened veterans in Europe at that time. They were all in the East or Italy.
@@colbeausabre8842 Not unusual, youngest Marine KIA in Vietnam was a 15 year old afroamerican , when i was 16 ( mid 70s) i found a BAOR (army aviation/ army air corps ) Gazelle Helo unit during a hike in a Forrest clearing , talked with the Quartermaster in his Tent his assistant was 17 years old they called him "Baby Q".
They literally say 'a 19 yo 2nd lieutenant'
Wow missing at 30 yards with a Panzerschreck twice is really impressively bad, they must have been terribly inexperienced or completely caught off-guard.
"Buck Fever" - Adrenaline pours into your blood, your pulse and breathing skyrocket, your body can tremble, you get tunnel vision - none of which is conducive to marksmanship
........and or Combat fatique and exhaustion.
US troops were advised to fire at 20 yards if possible with the Bazooka despite its much greater potential range. I suggest manufacturing tolerances of the Panzerschrek and its ammunition are not that great. How would you bore sight this weapon if you suspected you had been handed a poorly made copy.
@@williamzk9083 Tolerances were fine for the intended range of usage, same case as with the US Bazooka. By comparison US troops found the Panzershrek more accurate, but also a lot easier to detect once fired due to the large amounts of smoke produced during firing (bigger propellant charge that burned for longer, hence the higher velocity). IMO the story in the video was likely abit embellished, not uncommon when recollecting stressfull events - not to mention the guy was inside an armoured vehicle with little visibility, so any loud noise he heard he could've considered a shot by the Panzershrek team, when it might well have been something entirely different. Hence always take recollections such as these with a pinch of salt.
As awesome as this weapon is I think the panzer Faust is a better design as far a effectiveness
Panzerfausts could be fitted with warheads of different size , but had the disadvantage of limited range.The germans looked for an infantry at-weapon with a longer range.They investigated captured Bazookas and found the range superior but the warhead as to small against russian heavy armor.So Panzerschreck came as an XL-Copy of the Bazooka.
Look at the postwar soviet RPG 7, its a kind of marriage between a Panzerfaust and a Bazooka.😆
@@hansulrichboning8551 The Panzerschrek had a significantly higher muzzle velocity than the US M9 Bazooka. The Bazooka had a greater range simply because its sights could be set to 600 yards whereas the Panzerschrek was limited to 200m. The M9 Bazooka had better optical sights. By rights the Panzerschrek should have had significantly greater range and accuracy but I suspect poor manufacturing tolerances, the crude sights meant it was not possible to exploit the superior ballistics. If you were handed a Panzerschrek how would you boresight it?
Using any kind of panzerfaust you hav e to be very close to your target btw your target sureley doesn`t like it!!
just think now tank carry rockets
5*****
Every time I hear the name of this weapon I think of an oversized green Ogre riding on the top of a late model German tank.
Hans, get die Panzerschreck
It's "Panzerschreck" ... Mike Myers' ogre has got nothing to do with this weapon AFAIK... :P
Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9…….
14:53, Stuart Taylor talks too fast and slurs his pronunciation so that you have have to read the transcript!
With the greatest respect, and without being at all offensive, could the presenter please speak with clarity, annunciation and projection of his voice. For me, personally, it all sounds like an on-screen mumble. Again, no offence intended - but - information, facts and indeed history itself needs to be 'presented' ; knowledge is meaningless unless it can be understood. Thank you.
The German is a bit iffy, I hear "Racken" or "Rakeen" instead of Raketen. And it's PanzerschreCk, not Panzerschrek.
lol, "rackentekk werfer"
well he has improved massively since the last german equipment. look up the Panzerbüchse video....
Why are you being a grammar Nazi? Get it? Joke
It didnt actually fire rockets it actually used high strength mushrooms to launch ogres at the targets
Not the best in that type
Thank you
Stuart sounds a bit bored and angry at the same time.
Not the greatest watch.
My Grandfather died in Auschwitz . He fell out of the guard tower..
MUCH BETTER THAN OUR DRAIN PIPE SHOULD AND COULD HAVE DONE MORE FOR THE POOR INFANTRY .
Guess where the Germans got the idea? As for being a poor weapon, when it was adopted in 1942, it could kill any German tank and Italian and Japanese ones were meat on the table. Done more? Yes, it should have been replaced by a "Super Bazooka" like the Korean War M20 3.5 inch (90mm) weapon by 1944. The M20 was ready to go into production by 1945, but the war in Europe was clearly winding down, the M9 was doing a fine job as a bunker buster/AT weapon against the Japanese and there seemed no reason to increase the infantryman's load for the invasion of Japan, so there was no production and design was filed away, to be revived for use in Korea.
Ah stop with those sideshots .. pure cringe ..
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Shrek
Very sorry but that has to be one of the most miserable faces on UA-cam 😂