Pantheon's New Lighting, Grit, Graphics and more.
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Here is the update for Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen season 2
I'll start with what I forgot to include in the video itself: the "grit" patch also included major upgrades for performance for the MMO.
But the big highlight for many is going to be the improved visual fidelity from the lighting update as well as the added depth and detail on rocks and some wood structures.
We're right around the corner from Season 3 which will bring in the acclimation system, angry orcs, and lots of snow.
But even far beyond that we got confirmation that two of the last 3 announced classes will be coming in shortly. Summoner and Ranger.
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I like the darker nights i wish there was a middleground, dark nights make the world feel real.
Bright nights make the world feel like wow
It's still significantly dark at times and using a torch is helpful
What is your discord info?
It's linked over on twitch: www.twitch.tv/redbeardflynn
That Karma!! Beautiful! But as far as the changes, I didn't realize just how much of a change it was. When you play, you get used to things so tend to forget what it was like before. Thank you so much for the reminders! Also, Mad Run is still waiting for you to stop dying and join the death squads!
Haha I'm glad you liked that part of the video! and I agree, sometimes you just get used to it (good and bad) so it helps seeing it side by side. You can really see it in old screenshots and new and makes me excited for the future.
I really need to hop in and get some levels. I'll probably be in mad run during season 3. I'm eager to play with people trying the game for the first time starting Saturday, though! See some of Cohh's community get in and play.
way better lighting than before.
I think with the latest patch I'm seeing more improvement in daytime than night, especially when there are atmospheric effects like haze or rain. I do hope they shrink the rain streaks a little, though. Shrink them and make them more numerous.
@@Redbeardflynn the night lighting is perfect. Before it was way too dark.
This is definitely starting to gain my attention. Looking very much like a spiritual successor to original EQ.
It's a bit like a mix of eq and vanguard when playing to me. Which makes sense given its origins from Brad McQuaid.
Oh thank the gods. I felt that every time I logged in it was night and I just couldn’t see a thing. This looks much better.
afraid to buy into this and it dies like EQ Landmark.. I want to try it so bad
As a fellow landmark founders pack purchaser I hear ya.
There is a free weekend this weekend through cohhcarnage, check the description
@@Redbeardflynn sounds good thank you.
they need to make an EQ Landmark private server. I would be so into playing that.
Never lost faith in the team. Theyre making great progress. And its only going to get better.
This is the actual result of constructive feedback and criticism.
Agreed. Every passing season they hit their marks brings back some confidence.
you really need to work on your leveling bro.
You go level up nerd
The death penalty isn't even in yet and it s a struggle!! I blame the fire beetles
Lightening looks good. Still hoping it makes it.
I finally bit the bullet and decided to pledge on Friday with VIP. This year it has finally felt as though they are really on their way (even if there's still a long way to go), and it feels less like the wheels aren't spinning in the mud. I have really really enjoyed it so far. There's not much content yet, we haven't gotten to play with perception, all the classes, or more than one race yet, but they have the feel right. It feels like EQ with fresh paint and more engaging combat. I'm excited to see where they go.
you spent 700 dollars?!?!?!?
@@Section.9 so they shit on all those people who paid insane amounts of money? yikes.
ew so you admit that you overpaid. yikes.
@@goblinphreak2132 well 3 installments of 250 lol
I really hope they get Perception in (the pulse system) as they call it sooner rather than later. It might have been my favorite feature of the game. It is at least a very high priority system to get back in as rhey rework the backend to handle rhe thousands of flags/checks
@@goblinphreak2132 I don't think your take is going to end up being reasonable at any point.
As someone who plays Embers Adrift I am not really into Pantheon Rise of the Fallen, however I am glad the Indie Game developers can talk to each other and share their ideas to improve their game for their players 😍👏
Right? Indie game dev is tough so I love seeing them support each other. Reminds me of the story of how larian would quietly go and put 10k on indie projects to support them
very nice... this looks like a updated version of eq1 and that's a big W... I am now excited for this game to come out.
Same here!
For a game who has totally lost my attention, the before/after shots at least is going to make me log in next time my beta access allows and look at it again.
idk how you guys can stay so cheery after the graphics overhaul they had. I had dropped 1k and then 9 months later they ruined the graphical look. It killed my passion after following the project since it started.
I think for me it's because I played it in the old art style. Outside of character models at this point the environment looks better than it did than imo. Compared to my first look video I got to do on this channel. Character models though imo still need work so I'll be eager to see chapter 2.
I am sorry to hear that you invested in the game and were so quickly disappointed with a sudden change. That just straight up sucks and is hard to swallow for sure. Regardless of the reasoning for the change it was still abrupt
It seems as they get more and more practice using unity engine, the better and better they are getting with the graphics. The changes are definitely notable. I am excited for this, i just cant drop the $ for the alpha access. Which also sucks, cuz i had a chance to get one in a raffle, but missed out because i had to go afk to use the restroom, and didnt claim in time. oh well, just the way life goes.
You can try it for free this weekend at least through the cohhcarnage promo! I'll continue to try to give away Pledges when I can afford it. I know a lot of streamers have been too.
I am sold.. but definitely hoping this game comes out in the next decade.
Same
Looking a lot better!
Great vid mate, I'm enjoying picking up Pantheon info from the channel, you're doing a great job as a content creator!
That's such a nice thing to say, thank you!
Thank you for pointing out that the char models look weird.
It becomes more apparent the more the environment improves. Makes me anxious to see what happens with them in 7ish weeks. Hoping we get a preview of the humans or ogres soon.
Wish we saw this kind of progress a year ago. I'm still really upset by the design change..., so, (a once huge supporter of this game) am I'm still on the fence.
I think many of us do bud. I'm hoping seeing the next pass on humans and getting the ogres in will solidify the art for me but it won't be everyone's cup or tea.
If nothing else I'll do my best to keep you updated not just on this game but on all mmos I think this channel would like.
wont lie, i was very skeptical of the graphic choice from the start. maybe the extraction-gate caused it to sour more than it should, but with each pass to the looks, art, lighting, animations, spell effects, the game is shaping up very nicely. also updates are coming out much faster. promises made last year are so far being kept. we're finally on the road to seeing a finished game.
Definitely chicken or egg here, right? Did public outcry increase the "grit" going forward or was this the plan all along? I'm really really curious to see what happens with character models in chapter 2 because that will solidify the art direction in my mind and I can make my judgement on it there but I agree with you, they're keeping their promises, the NDA drop has increased transparency, they're hitting their marks and making popular changes (like the lighting change and the rocks and grass)
I'm definitely personally a lot more optimistic than I was at the end of 2023.
Yeah sorry the advanced wow cartoon look doesn't impress me not a single slopping bit. I sit and watch thousands of videos as I do my dev work. People have mountains of hate and down right evil output towards people and then the fan boys make videos about a game way worse then those the people flamed. Like the man says do you see a difference and as a developer I know the truth. NO I dont its the same face with a new granule added. Everything in the world give me the impression I have to blow the baby powder off it to touch it. Combat animations stiff and ridged. Some spell animations are ok but the casting animation like your tossing bread to pigeons. The fight animations omg might as well be UO. Yet ever ones ecstatic and other titles so much BETTER are ignored and some indys with a simply amazing idea are openly ignored. To boot thost that feel differently dont even speak because the hatred they will receive. What sweet baby in and the rest are doing to the industry we deserve....
@@Edgrot you don't like the game, good for you. There are those that do, good for them. Better titles are ignored? Sure about that? Also, is it a requirement to like all games in development equally? Who is sweet baby and what are they doing exactly?
@@TheKrinkled1 Yes you simply made statements that posed as questions where never answered. You restate what I said was true. So explain to me how your dribble says anything other then fan boys it all? I never once said I didnt like it but I in no way agree that its better then any other title around. I am a developer are you? I know the 80/20 approach and many others. Tell me how pantheon advances the graphics of the industry or the new ground braking mechanics that take mmo out of the death funk and into the future. Now you and those like you can build a mounment to the title. Go out in the yard and pray to it. I am ok with that but the vitriol with zero supporting ideas isnt making me want to buy or play and maybe just maybe you might think about that. You attack me instead of attempting to bring more revenue to your church. I mean what was the point of the response.... oh i know children tossing rocks causes others to do the same. If I am wrong point out the exact verbiage and the evidence you think points to it and I am more then happy to be educated. Yet that's not what you did at all
@@Edgrot "Yes you simply made statements that posed as questions where never answered."
the questions were inquires for clarification. why would i answer my own questions?
"You restate what I said was true."
I didn't restate anything you said up to this point.
"So explain to me how your dribble says anything other then fan boys it all?"
My "dribble" is my opinion. It doesn't have to match yours in order to be valid. pretentious much?
"I never once said I didnt like it"
yes you did, by stating "sorry the advanced wow cartoon look doesn't impress me not a single slopping bit"
"but I in no way agree that its better then any other title around."
no one is asking you to.
"I am a developer are you?"
No i'm not, but that doesn't really have any bearing to me or my opinion. what do you develop?
"I know the 80/20 approach and many others."
that sounds important to you, so cool.
"Tell me how pantheon advances the graphics of the industry or the new ground braking mechanics that take mmo out of the death funk and into the future."
Is this suppose to be their function? I was under the impression they, along with other developers, were using the tools available to them in order to create a unique experience for the players, not to recreate a better, more advanced toolset. They're making a game in Unity, they're not remaking Unity.
"Now you and those like you can build a mounment to the title."
Can we put it near the well?
"Go out in the yard and pray to it."
will it give us a buff?
"I am ok with that but the vitriol with zero supporting ideas isnt making me want to buy or play and maybe just maybe you might think about that."
maybe less vitriol with zero supporting ideas from you in the future then.
"You attack me instead of attempting to bring more revenue to your church."
I attacked you? it's not my job to raise money for VR. they're not paying me at all, in fact.
"I mean what was the point of the response...."
i was asking clarifying questions to your poorly worded reply to my post.
"oh i know children tossing rocks causes others to do the same."
do you have a fear of critical engagement? no one "tossed rocks" at you, bro.
"If I am wrong point out the exact verbiage and the evidence you think points to it and I am more then happy to be educated. Yet that's not what you did at all"
if I didn't do it, why are you so upset as if I had?
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Nice lighting, the roads look great. Btw what do they mean by thicker humans, do they mean like the thick ones from Kul'tiras in WoW, haha
Haha I don't know exactly. I think just a little bit because they were too lithe. Well know one way or another in probably about 7 weeks. They've kept them under wraps. We've only seen the ogres in progress
HYPE!!!
I really want to pledge, and ideally VIP but I'm still really on the fence with the long term success of this project. I always get way too excited when the old hats of the mmo genre that worked on stuff like EQ or DAoC promise to give us some modern nostalgia and it never makes it to the finish line.
If you're on the fence I'd say wait. It's a big expense. But you can jump in this weekend if you redeem the cohhcarnage promo in the description.
At least that lets you see if the game is going in the direction you like, you know?
Also some big stuff coming in Chapter 2 which is at least 7 weeks away.
@@Redbeardflynn Thank you for the response! I might very well jump in and check it out then. I'm definitely a "put your money where your mouth is" person, so if it feels like this is a project I'd like to see happen, I might very well purchase a pledge on a hope and a dream. I've purchased games in the past simply because I agreed with their art style alone and put maybe 1-10hrs in.
I may just wait until chapter 2 too, especially with having jumped into quarm and getting my live eq account back up and running thanks to your videos.
lighting is WAY better. couldn't see Anything at night before. the entire game looks WAY better.
Agree but I hope they bring back dark nights SOMETIMES. Like 1 out of 30 night cycles
@@AdamOutOfPocket I'd agree with that - all the time was not enjoyable literally staring at a black screen straining your eyes and night time seemed to last so much longer!
I've definitely noticed even now that its still really kind of necessary to use your torch sometimes. Night still feels really dark in some places but when the moon is up and shining over an area with no tree shadow its pretty bright. I dunno if moon phases are in the cards but that'd be really immersive.
Another great video Red. I'm so excited for season 3.
Thank you Tollmart! Me too!
i'm an old school mmorpg player, startet with asherons call back in the days, and i predict: this will fail hard!
Why would you want an indie mmo project to fail? I'm hoping all these indie mmo projects out there succeed because they're born out of passion for mmos
@@Redbeardflynn i don't want to, it's just my prediction
Yeah, Pantheon have built up some momentum, for sure ..Wish i had the $ for an Alpha pledge (too many kids/grand-kids eating my money) - Hell yeah, the Ogres will be a big thing!! ..Great video as always Red.
Haha I feel that. Whenever I have the cash I'll try to do more giveaways. Doing them for Pantheon and for Embers were highlights for me even if they were only watcher Pledges.
There is a free weekend this weekend if you want to hop in. Check the description link.
@@Redbeardflynn It should read upgrade to an alpha pledge, at least i am in Beta :) ..But all these giveaways from you and the rest of the community is golden, very generous.
I’ve enjoyed playing and I must say, the graphics and content are better than expected. Exceeded expectations and restored hope indeed. Much Obliged VR for listening to your player base. Congrats on a strong showing so far.
Your shirt... I need one. Where'd you get it?
www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/151875343 The shirt in question is the Premium t-shirt (its a longer fit and softer fabric)
It looks better for sure. Let’s keep the progress rolling. Great video Red
I'm sorry it took me so long to get it on patreon you had to watch it here with ads 😅 the upload bugged out.
Hopefully the art team can come up with better character models and animation because currently its like they belong in 2 different games. EQ Next style models would fit into this world.
my biggest problem with this game is the combat system i just cant get past that its absolutely terrible other then that the game is pretty amazing
I gotta say. I personally don't like the lighting changes. I know that a lot of people don't like the pitch black night system that was originally there, but that was something that was a staple of a Brad McQuaid game. EQ had it, Vanguard had it, and this had it. It gave the night time a dangerous feel, unless you had night vision, and it made having light source necessary. Which in turn made utility spells, crafts, and itemization more unique. My very first experience in Everquest when it first came out was making my barbarian warrior and wandering around Halas. Accidentally attacking a guard while trying to figure out the controls and getting killed. Respawning in Everfrost and blindly wandering into gnolls near BB because it was night and I was literally blind. I was freaking out and died a billion times, but this memory stuck with me for the rest of my life. The reason it stuck with me is because the night system was so insane that I felt like I was actually in Norrath at night. I could hear death coming for me and couldn't do a damn thing about it.
Now Pantheon is taking the usual course of modern mmo's and making the world a generic experience that has been made a hundred times before. Love it or hate it, but Brad took risks with his few mmo's he was part of. Vanguard's crafting system was so insane that you could literally kill yourself if you made an error, which I did repeatedly. I'm sure this change will probably be a welcomed change by people who just want an easier laid back game, but it sadly makes me just be uninterested.
Agree completely, I thoroughly enjoy that real fear of travelling at night when it's super dark. Hoping they tune it again to find a happier median
Am I the only one that noticed that Humans vision adjusts at night... just like real life? Your night vision as a human actually improves when there's an ambient light source at night... like the moon or glowing eyes or glowing fire beetle... super cool affect.
Vanguard DNA, baby.
its on a unity engine once i found that out was a disappointment not expecting a lot
Great vid
Thank you so much!
Dark rainy seen we focus on Zero fidelity and it masks everything. it's paused and you simply cant see anything. Its a blend of shadows with almost zero textures. Sorry my daughter and I simply don't agree. Dying to see the necro, its all I care about. If its good we are golden. Just feel in love with Monsters and Memories and I am sorry I cant shake it. Pantheon is fading into their shadow for us. It's our opinion but it is what it is
No need to apologize! Monsters and memories is looking great too. Can't wait to jump back in as soon as they open up another test. All the best to you and your daughter
RED! Ouch on the arm!
Just a wild guess but did you get caught on a BJJ arm bar?
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Haha as far as I know it's just getting old. Got the report back today no structural damage! So just rehab healing.
@@Redbeardflynn I'm glad you're on the mend, RED! Yep, getting up in age here too. I can't recovery as quickly as I used to after a tough run. I know the feeling! Stay young ... in spirit! :p
I hate the change to the lighting, with no moon and night time, it SHOULD be dark. Do they ever go out at night in the country ?
Currently there is a moon, and eventually there will be 2! Will be curious to see how they handle that.
Ok it looks better for sure but im still not onboard till combat gets tightened up and I see more class specific spells and abilities
When you say class specific spells and abilities are you talking about fx?
Looks like it was made bad in 2008
That took maybe 3 days to do those "updates."
It just doesn't seem like the game Brad wanted to make anymore.
I'd disagree given he has childhood friends and hand picked devs on the team and it feels like a good mic of vanguard and eq
they also need to recalibrate their calibration screen...
I followed the directions but couldn't see stuff. then increased the brightness a bit and it was perfect in night and day.
I really do think a major cause of the excess darkness is that the calibration screen isn't calibrated hehe
Every single Kickstart should legally have to show progress to their patrons like this. Too many of them take your money and fail go even show screen shots even once a year. This is cool!
Seasons of what?! Not getting released?
Development seasons. Accountability from the team themselves for their development cadence. Not seasons like battlepasses
Games looking dank 100% how i imagined it should look the style of eqoa is crazy
Everytime eqoa gets mentioned I die a little inside because I gave up on my ps2 trying to get the internet to work 😭
@@Redbeardflynn Don't worry i only got to play it on weekends at my friends house. While his whole family played it everyday i suffered at home during the week with no internet access.
@@WayneTwitch reminds me of the struggle to play Ultima online. Ooh! And then having my brother delete my uo characters as a joke 😱
Just wanna know when they are going to b
Go open beta so people on the 50£ pledges can play more often, they should do what starcitizen does and have a test realm with newer content the higher pledges get in too and a stable release for the lower pledges.
I haven't heard anything about that. Maybe something they'll visit once the game had more zones? Hard to say. They also don't have the cash shop that star citizen has (or the 600 million...) But I know if it was feasible I'd love to be able to play with anyone who wants to.
Who knows maybe keep an eye out for once they have the entire loop through 50 in. They're about halfway there after season 3 with level content. (That's just me speculating randomly)
@Redbeardflynn how long do you think this will take 2-4 more years?
2 -4 is also my SC guess id be annoyed of they both release at the same time haha
@@Xzoviac ooo I've gotten out of the prediction business outside of my I'll advised beginning of the year videos...hmm
Some people have crunched the numbers on a rough estimate if they keep their current content schedule and it'd be something like 3 years? Lots of variables there like an early access launch or being able to bring on more people like artists.
I think once the new animations come in ppl will really see how this new art style will be beneficial in the long run.
took them this long just to have lighting when they could have used the superior game engine, unreal, which has lumen which allows for perfect lighting with little effort. I swear the amount of developers that use unity and have to do every little thing "by hand" instead of using unreal which helps you make games, is beyond me.
Lumen is very intensive computationally, better off just baking the lighting for optimization
Hey goblin, you're more than welcome to your opinion. Please don't attack other commenters and call them liars yeah?
@@Redbeardflynn liars gonna lie
@@Erribell I don't think he understands how development works.
@goblinphreak2132 what am i lying about?
Lumen is computationally taxing.
Is this vapourware?
Nope
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Ive playes as well. Game is still dark as hell at night. To my old eyes, still looks similiar. Ehh
I think it gets dark when its both night and there's shadow (so like beneath a big tree in AVP) but the torch feels more helpful now than the lantern belts before.
The ironic thing is I've seen people saying it's too bright now too!
@3:29 ten years of development.......embarrassing.....seriously.......
And yet, if the game releases, why does that matter? I find life is so much more enjoying when you adjust to reality, and not expectations. You'll always be let down otherwise, and won't enjoy anything.
@@Demane69 it matters. People paid these clowns good money, and this embarrassment is a basic game design feature that shouldn’t happen at all, let alone 10 years into development.
Demo 1.2 . The amount of shill for Patheon as blown up lately. Hype is too much for what it is. Abilon online is more complete. !remindme1year
I think people are just excited to see progress in a game they want. Helps that they dropped the NDA.
This game looks like a mobile trash game.
looks just like everquest...
sorry red, these updates are ugly still!
Haha that's fair! I like the look now of the environment but it's not gonna be everyone's taste. I'm a huge fan of immersive elements so even the mist makes me happy
@@Redbeardflynn Indeed, to each its own. But everyone knows if u make a good game graphics dont matter to most
@@googleifyouseekayu yup! dwarf fortress ( I say thar having never played it but always hearing great things)