@@strangevol5264fusion sub is always treated as being named poly for deck building purposes meaning you can only run a max of 3 between the two, therefore should be banned as well
@@potatoexe5410nah, that's bs tho, it doesn't function the same at all. They are vastly different and should be considered different, fusion sub only uses the field, and can also recycle fusions for a draw
your comment randomly gave me an idea. If all events in life could be either all lucky or all unlucky at a solid 50/50 chance for either case or your luck continues as is, what would you pick?
@@nonsonoenrico Except that's VERY 'lucky" so what does that mean for everything else? Define luck otherwise you could have a 50% chance of just getting hit by a meteor at any moment. The statistical probability being turned into extremes doesn't mean unlucky is not winning the lottery. It means unlucky is an equally undesirable outcome to something like winning the lottery. Whenever "luck" is applied you risk something absolutely awful happening if possible. So you win a bunch of lottery tickets but also get hit by cars and end up on dates with people whose body count means something else.
Banning poly is understandable, I would've banned it too in Joseph's position, but it hinders so many possible packs that it makes the whole format worse.
Master Saga seasons are only 20 episodes, I'm sure they'll find plenty of non-Fusion packs to work with for the following 10. Even then, if there's a low rarity in-archetype fusion spell (Pandemonium for Prank-Kids, for example), it might still be playable. That said, Lunalights are my archetype of choice, and this does kinda kill them outside of Tiger as a Link/Xyz engine - Black Sheep is literally a Poly searcher - so I do get the disappointment. In an ideal world somebody will go into that pack for Lyriluscs and pull 2+ copies of the SR Lunalight Fusion and play the deck anyways.
Agreed, they can probably make due and whatever but completely taking out so many archetypes is rough. Especially since it's a card provided at base in the format simple for that reason.
Tbh it might've had to happen since otherwise Fluffals domination would've happened, not to mention the alternative was using all 3 bans and limits on main deck and extra deck fluffals
ngl the fact that Fluffals got Poly banned is pretty funny. I remember watching this live. It was such a swing of emotions... First MBT misunderstanding the lifeline, which made him go from "seeing the light of finally having a banger deck" all the way to "there is no hope, only pain". IIRC he considered redoing the secret pack pulls for like half an hour. But every other option was even worse than these kind of mid Utopia-less Onomat pulls. But then our lil baby boy somehow scraped his baby toys together to find a playable deck. He stood before a big, dangerous opponent: Mr. Zeef - Spheal of Dark World. Doug honestly had no right to lose this match with a deck this cracked...until his dangers betrayed him and he bricked with a nice playset of big unplayable dudes.
@@NitsuaBZ outed yourself as someone who didnt watch the video. doug said he switched his limit from floodgate to blue tang after discovering mbt had 3.
@WolfKnight-it1hc well I'm only halfway through and he's already running 2x of the freshly limited Floodgate Traphole (that he mocked) Edit: MBT got lim1'd instead, ig
@@trippersigs2248I was like I would ban poly but he will never do that because other decks and when I see that I went nuts. The most based hit of all time lmao
@@rebound1340 Absolutely, but also he is making some verxy smart decisions about which secret packs he is opening, almost to the point where you cant even ban all the cool interactions he collected, my favourite season from him, every episode I laugh uncontrolably to how based he is getting if he took Shiranuis this episode I would literally psill my food watching it
I may not be the biggest fan of Crush Cards editing style, but the fact they managed to turn MBTs pulls in to something at last half watchable proves they are some at the best at their job
I’m not normally one to comment or pay attention but I comments much, but I saw a video of Joseph talking about comments bashing Doug from a few months ago and how it was getting to him mentally. So I wanna leave a positive comment saying how much I appreciate and enjoy your content Doug. I look forward to Wednesdays and Saturdays so much just to watch roulette and saga. I wouldn’t be nearly as invested as I am in yu gi oh as a whole without great content creators and editors like you guys, farfa, and crush cards. Keep up the great work!
Love how so many people do not realize that the two of them discussed the Poly ban. They clearly realized what it was going to do. Decks have their own archtype fusion cards, or ways to get around needing Poly. It's not a series ending ban.
Yea but less consistent now, instead of 6/40(15% chance) its now a 7.5% chance, huge difference in sealed. As well as the searchers for the poly makes this number even more consistent. Def a good hit
I know that banning poly is way better than just hitting the frightfur engine but man it means that any pack with high rarity archetype fusion is basically a pass at this point 😢
I fucking cried when EVERYTHING changed, inspirational. Ok, actually everything changed. What the fuck is that poly ban? Easily the most destructive ban ever, it's like banning all tuners because of halq.
Mayakashi just as an engine in other decks is really good, and that pack also has some of the better Shiranui cards (albeit not all of them), shoulda went for it tbh
Nah the pack is unplayable bad in the saga format. Unless you have an insanely stacked zombie pool or you get an insane mayakashi high roll. The mayakashi lock is just too severe for most decks, it's whole turn not rest of turn. The Mayakashi also really need the full synchro ladder the deck literally does nothing if you're missing a N/R synchro or the 9/11 or just missing dakki/hajun. With no link 3 in the pack they probably can't fall back to that either. Frankly the only solid cards are probably the Shiranui pieces the 7/10 synchros especially, honestly the generic 7 banish itself pop 1&1 is probably the best card in the pack for this format, squire and shade are decently solid in a zombie synchro deck but they both zombie lock with has basically only mezuki and gozuki in pack to support that deck. I love this pack but I have no id a how you would make it work with at least one of either the zombie or Shiranui Structure decks. The other Shiranui cards are mostly in the legacy pack too so you can't even luck into them in saga.
8:04 Crush Cards really needs to place a warning on their videos stating you shouldn’t eat while watching this cause I nearly choked on my sandwich when this popped up
You're now both legally required to craft 3 copies of Fusion Substitute usable until the end of the season. Honestly I guess banning Poly for 1 season is fine? but I just don't want it to happen again in Master Saga season 5, like if you keep doing it every season to defend from powerful fusion archetypes, it will become annoying. I don't know what it is, but I believe there's something else that could be banned to cripple Fluffals.
to be fair there plenty of good (least in sealed) fusion arctypes that never use default poly so that hit does nothing for those decks it for sure hits alot hard but it does not end fusions as a option and wile i see your point i dont see a better option for what dzeff pulled
@@DaShikuXI ty i dont understand wth dzeffs chat and some of these comments talking about when they say "banning the basic poly kills all fusion decks" its like they never seen a proper fusion deck even old school fusion decks cheated out fusion monsters some way or another and besides all that its just funny to me of all decks Fluffals was what got poly banned
most of the dedicated fusion cards are high rarity, unless it’s one of the newer archetypes so yeah, probably should have banned edge imp chain instead or something
i always have good memories seeing resonators since was the deck (alongside deskbots) that started my yugioh jorney like 6ish years ago (just when MR4 was anounced so i had a smooth transition)
The boys keep saying their opponents' deck is really strong but this is definitely the phase of saga where everything is just odd jank piles with 3 different engines and I love it.
Doug you never put that Darkworl monster in your deck. It is nice to have as a discard at times but you need to replace it with the resonators monster you had.
for mirances, I would ban the field spell. That is what equiped and powers them AND what can make a tower. Without it: it;s just another Link play deck
Rewatching this episode, with the context of future seasons, it feels like poly should be legacy limited/semi-limited, since it always seems to get hit as soon as someone gets a critical mass of viable fusion strategy. Not sure if a limit is too much or a semi is too little, but it’s become pretty clear that a full three is kind of unhealthy.
Great episode! I do think that Red Rising into Coral was probably a stronger play, but I have the knowledge of both player's hands which means I'm unfairly biased.
I've heard/read the lifeline like 4 times now and still don't fully understand it. Is the "from a pack you didn't pull" restriction like for every pack they have pulled this season or just the episode?
Good idea, makes the structure decks relevant in the series. I’d say put it as a lifeline limiting it to just one structure deck purchase towards each player for the duration of the series.
6:20 yah I mean fluffal still has scythe and fluffal fusion bro it can still cook plus fluffal owl is at 3 pay 500 to fusion summon that’s chump change
MBT knows us too well, good god that Poly ban is both a well-thought of but psychopathic move damn
Does it ban Fusion Substitute by association?
@@strangevol5264fusion sub is always treated as being named poly for deck building purposes meaning you can only run a max of 3 between the two, therefore should be banned as well
@@potatoexe5410 its also only solo mode/legacy packs right? so basicly impossible to get in this series
@@silviechangamesis it not in master packs
@@potatoexe5410nah, that's bs tho, it doesn't function the same at all. They are vastly different and should be considered different, fusion sub only uses the field, and can also recycle fusions for a draw
The duality of MBT, lucky in Roulette, unlucky in Saga
your comment randomly gave me an idea. If all events in life could be either all lucky or all unlucky at a solid 50/50 chance for either case or your luck continues as is, what would you pick?
@@jajordan2106 obviously the 50/50 you literally win 1 out of 2 lottery tickets
@@nonsonoenricoYou get hit by a car every other car you pass
@@nonsonoenrico Except that's VERY 'lucky" so what does that mean for everything else? Define luck otherwise you could have a 50% chance of just getting hit by a meteor at any moment. The statistical probability being turned into extremes doesn't mean unlucky is not winning the lottery. It means unlucky is an equally undesirable outcome to something like winning the lottery.
Whenever "luck" is applied you risk something absolutely awful happening if possible. So you win a bunch of lottery tickets but also get hit by cars and end up on dates with people whose body count means something else.
Farfa also has been having bad luck
I am become MBT, destroyer of Fusions.
Someone has to stop him! We can not let him cook anymore!
Destroyer of rules
Happy birthday Joseph!
That Limit makes way more Sense.
It's ok, you're just a little baby boy anyway
Banning poly is understandable, I would've banned it too in Joseph's position, but it hinders so many possible packs that it makes the whole format worse.
Master Saga seasons are only 20 episodes, I'm sure they'll find plenty of non-Fusion packs to work with for the following 10. Even then, if there's a low rarity in-archetype fusion spell (Pandemonium for Prank-Kids, for example), it might still be playable.
That said, Lunalights are my archetype of choice, and this does kinda kill them outside of Tiger as a Link/Xyz engine - Black Sheep is literally a Poly searcher - so I do get the disappointment. In an ideal world somebody will go into that pack for Lyriluscs and pull 2+ copies of the SR Lunalight Fusion and play the deck anyways.
yeah, the poly ban pretty much kills almost all fusion archetypes that came out before Arc-V era
Agreed, they can probably make due and whatever but completely taking out so many archetypes is rough.
Especially since it's a card provided at base in the format simple for that reason.
Tbh it might've had to happen since otherwise Fluffals domination would've happened, not to mention the alternative was using all 3 bans and limits on main deck and extra deck fluffals
ngl the fact that Fluffals got Poly banned is pretty funny.
I remember watching this live. It was such a swing of emotions...
First MBT misunderstanding the lifeline, which made him go from "seeing the light of finally having a banger deck" all the way to "there is no hope, only pain". IIRC he considered redoing the secret pack pulls for like half an hour. But every other option was even worse than these kind of mid Utopia-less Onomat pulls.
But then our lil baby boy somehow scraped his baby toys together to find a playable deck. He stood before a big, dangerous opponent: Mr. Zeef - Spheal of Dark World. Doug honestly had no right to lose this match with a deck this cracked...until his dangers betrayed him and he bricked with a nice playset of big unplayable dudes.
Well said! Fun read this tiny recap was 😌
whoa dangers not hitting and darkworld bricks!!!??? imagine my shock
The fact Joseph got both amano iwato and shinobaroness, and then didn't try shinobird despite it being the easiest amano lock
Shoutout to Crush Cards for making it look like MBT cheated a lot less than he did
Floodgate Trap Hole being an example.
@@NitsuaBZ outed yourself as someone who didnt watch the video. doug said he switched his limit from floodgate to blue tang after discovering mbt had 3.
How'd he cheat.
@WolfKnight-it1hc well I'm only halfway through and he's already running 2x of the freshly limited Floodgate Traphole (that he mocked)
Edit: MBT got lim1'd instead, ig
@@Terrantular doug went back and limited one of the marincess cards instead i thought
Utopia without Utopia is a lot like Garfield without Garfield: hilarious, yet also terrifying at times.
Banning Poly is the most wildly based thing ive seen Joseph do
They have a custom rule that gives them 3 poly to make more archetypes playable... Could've just hit edge imp sabres
@@animalchin5082that’s why it’s based
@@animalchin5082Doug has frightfur and albaz MBT only benefits by making fusion as generically unplayable as possible
@@trippersigs2248I was like I would ban poly but he will never do that because other decks and when I see that I went nuts. The most based hit of all time lmao
@@zaleww5824 yeah I can understand why people are upset, but it is the smartest move he could have made
i think mbt is really feeling the flow and was high fiving the sky.
He was eating his duel fuel
indeed he was kattobingu-ing
I love how switching MBT and Farfa allowed Doug to win most games
Also please play the dogmatika rituals, it's too much fun ripping apart extra decks
I mean je has also been playing out of tjis world since that happened, making both good and baswd plays along tje way so its been a great swap
@@nbassasin8092it helps that doug was a huge fluffals fan a few years ago
@@rebound1340 Absolutely, but also he is making some verxy smart decisions about which secret packs he is opening, almost to the point where you cant even ban all the cool interactions he collected, my favourite season from him, every episode I laugh uncontrolably to how based he is getting
if he took Shiranuis this episode I would literally psill my food watching it
@@nbassasin8092bro what's with the amount of typos you made lol
I may not be the biggest fan of Crush Cards editing style, but the fact they managed to turn MBTs pulls in to something at last half watchable proves they are some at the best at their job
Doug saying "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power" absolutely killed me 🤣
Their decks look more and more like something you would build in elementary school from opening random packs and a 2011 structure deck
I’m not normally one to comment or pay attention but I comments much, but I saw a video of Joseph talking about comments bashing Doug from a few months ago and how it was getting to him mentally. So I wanna leave a positive comment saying how much I appreciate and enjoy your content Doug. I look forward to Wednesdays and Saturdays so much just to watch roulette and saga. I wouldn’t be nearly as invested as I am in yu gi oh as a whole without great content creators and editors like you guys, farfa, and crush cards. Keep up the great work!
Love how so many people do not realize that the two of them discussed the Poly ban. They clearly realized what it was going to do. Decks have their own archtype fusion cards, or ways to get around needing Poly. It's not a series ending ban.
Yea but less consistent now, instead of 6/40(15% chance) its now a 7.5% chance, huge difference in sealed. As well as the searchers for the poly makes this number even more consistent. Def a good hit
as a utopia andy, i really hope mbt pulls the rest of the utopia extra deck at some point cause that would be epic
"Did you hear? Poly was banned!"
"Super poly? Makes sense, that card is busted"
"No. Poly."
Doug Listen crimson + level 4 = rising > effect bring crimson > 2 red > red dragon + 2 tuners = red nove dragon
I know that banning poly is way better than just hitting the frightfur engine but man it means that any pack with high rarity archetype fusion is basically a pass at this point 😢
I mean any good fusion archetype usually have their own ways to begin with
If they pull Verte and an archetypal fusion spell it’s basically better than hard drawing polymerization.
@@TheGuyWhoIsSitting that's true as well
I fucking cried when EVERYTHING changed, inspirational.
Ok, actually everything changed. What the fuck is that poly ban? Easily the most destructive ban ever, it's like banning all tuners because of halq.
i absolutely lost my shit laughing when mbt said im just a little baby boy
@crushcards I would just like to thank you for all of your amazing work. This series is amazing and you make it perfect.
💖 this is so kind, thank you!
Mayakashi just as an engine in other decks is really good, and that pack also has some of the better Shiranui cards (albeit not all of them), shoulda went for it tbh
He wouldve had to pull quite well for the mayakashi and both archetypes are just much worse without the zombie support cards.
@@animalchin5082that pack has mezuki and gozuki though
Nah the pack is unplayable bad in the saga format. Unless you have an insanely stacked zombie pool or you get an insane mayakashi high roll.
The mayakashi lock is just too severe for most decks, it's whole turn not rest of turn.
The Mayakashi also really need the full synchro ladder the deck literally does nothing if you're missing a N/R synchro or the 9/11 or just missing dakki/hajun. With no link 3 in the pack they probably can't fall back to that either.
Frankly the only solid cards are probably the Shiranui pieces the 7/10 synchros especially, honestly the generic 7 banish itself pop 1&1 is probably the best card in the pack for this format, squire and shade are decently solid in a zombie synchro deck but they both zombie lock with has basically only mezuki and gozuki in pack to support that deck.
I love this pack but I have no id a how you would make it work with at least one of either the zombie or Shiranui Structure decks. The other Shiranui cards are mostly in the legacy pack too so you can't even luck into them in saga.
I hope MBT just keeps pulling fusion archetypes from now on. It would be so fucking funny.
I swear Crush Card is just on crack 24/7 and our lives are so much better for it.
MBT really just Said Fuck Fusions get that Polymerization out of here.
THEY DO CHANGE EVERYTHING!
8:04 Crush Cards really needs to place a warning on their videos stating you shouldn’t eat while watching this cause I nearly choked on my sandwich when this popped up
You're now both legally required to craft 3 copies of Fusion Substitute usable until the end of the season.
Honestly I guess banning Poly for 1 season is fine? but I just don't want it to happen again in Master Saga season 5, like if you keep doing it every season to defend from powerful fusion archetypes, it will become annoying. I don't know what it is, but I believe there's something else that could be banned to cripple Fluffals.
to be fair there plenty of good (least in sealed) fusion arctypes that never use default poly so that hit does nothing for those decks it for sure hits alot hard but it does not end fusions as a option and wile i see your point i dont see a better option for what dzeff pulled
There really is no other ban to stop fluffals, and most good fusion decks have their own dedicated fusion cards now anyway.
@@DaShikuXI ty i dont understand wth dzeffs chat and some of these comments talking about when they say "banning the basic poly kills all fusion decks" its like they never seen a proper fusion deck even old school fusion decks cheated out fusion monsters some way or another
and besides all that its just funny to me of all decks Fluffals was what got poly banned
most of the dedicated fusion cards are high rarity, unless it’s one of the newer archetypes
so yeah, probably should have banned edge imp chain instead or something
I believe Fluffal is the only archetype that actively uses and searches for Poly, so it is a good ban.
MBT keeps saying he didn’t get utopia, but Travis just dropped it🤓
If Doug went into more of the resonator line, I think it might’ve been better
I would love that playmat. I personally prefer ones with the zones laid out in the design however. Happy for ya dude.
Can we play fusion substitute if you pull it?
Banning poly is the most big-brained, based move. Good shit MBT
Banning poly is crazy kill a lot future decks
Damn, banning Salamangrate Rage? Is that a Rotation reference!?
can we talk about how these life lines are written in actual psct formatting? lmao
Only MBT would bring utopialess utopia twice
Favorite line from 5Ds, "Yusei is not destined for anything but minimum wage!"
HI. Love the series. Lets see what shenanigans you guys got up to this week.
i always have good memories seeing resonators since was the deck (alongside deskbots) that started my yugioh jorney like 6ish years ago (just when MR4 was anounced so i had a smooth transition)
The boys keep saying their opponents' deck is really strong but this is definitely the phase of saga where everything is just odd jank piles with 3 different engines and I love it.
RDA has been my pet deck for since High School and I can’t tell you how happy it made me seeing Doug pick that pack
Crush cards really just got the series on their back idk what y’all paying but it can’t be enough for this 👏
It's fine we'll just open fluffals again and get a playset of frightfur fusion
Wait how did MBT get both the utopic onomatopoeia and the 3 gagagacoats ? Did he use 2 lifelines ?
Love The Series Dzeef! Please Keep making banger video after Banger Video
It would be so funny if mbt pulled only fusion archetypes and doesn't pull archetype fusion spells going forward
Damn, those bans...Doug confirmed to hate women 😞
I see Red Rising Dragon, I click. Please Doug, don’t disrespect the Sultan of Speed, the Master of Faster, the King of Games JACK ATLAS.
So what I'm hearing is MBT used two lifelines this episode?
Cheating? More like getting more dust to use for crafting!… Yeah!
I think he refunded the pulls he got from the first lifeline
When the Hero player said fuvk with fusion
Joseph has been estranged from his relatives after he had them rig too many packs, now he is cursed forever
Doug you never put that Darkworl monster in your deck. It is nice to have as a discard at times but you need to replace it with the resonators monster you had.
Here I expected the angle shoot of "I opened the utopia pack with the time machine lifeline"
These bans will never change everything
Cereal
The UR swap was my idea. Thank you Dzeef. I appreciate it
They won't change the fact, that this series is goated.
I’ve been rewatching The Office for the n-th time and these edits had me dying
for mirances, I would ban the field spell. That is what equiped and powers them AND what can make a tower. Without it: it;s just another Link play deck
"Hey, its me Jack Atlas, I'm WALKING here."
18:16
How did he know? Jack Atlas's most famous line
Funny, how MBT mocks Dzeef for limting Floodgate Trap Hole and then ends up putting two of them in the deck anyway...
ANCIENT WA- wow he shut that down fast. ITS A GREAT SEALED DECK
OMFG he literally banned regular ass poly
I'm here for the crush card edits
Rewatching this episode, with the context of future seasons, it feels like poly should be legacy limited/semi-limited, since it always seems to get hit as soon as someone gets a critical mass of viable fusion strategy. Not sure if a limit is too much or a semi is too little, but it’s become pretty clear that a full three is kind of unhealthy.
Doug's deck names are a treat
idk why people are complaining fusion is dead
doug will simply open the fossil pack again next episode and UR swap for the 2nd fossil fussion
Poly was the best hit because it also nerfs king of the swamp. Big brain MBT deserves a sub for that one
MBT says "I don't know how you lost today" as if Doug didn't give him a free turn game 1
Thank u crush cards for the office jokes 😆😆
Just realize MBT shirt is Eldlich artwork
Polly ban is bit much in my opinion
I know this is months old but banning Poly is such a wild move. I look forward to seeing how many decks are just Dead on Arrival due to this lol
did mbt get 2 lifelines or did he disenchant?
Love this episode edit
ironic that the guy who is a huge tearlament simp seems to hate literally every other fusion deck imaginable
Wow... nice shirt in this episode Joseph. Didnt know that about you!
*JACK ATLAS:* _the master of faster_
I can't believe it THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!!
I'm really hoping that poly ban doesn't neuter too many packs.
37:35 That hurts
3:40 dzeef was playing fluffal no way
34:37 this is going to be me when purrely eventually gets added to master duel
SAM HYDE JUMPSCARE
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
the RNG did doug dirty on this episode, damn
Great episode! I do think that Red Rising into Coral was probably a stronger play, but I have the knowledge of both player's hands which means I'm unfairly biased.
Bro was really feeling the flow in this episode
I like your shows Doug.
I don't get it. Did MBT use 2 lifelines? The 5 extra packs AND the UR swap?
I've heard/read the lifeline like 4 times now and still don't fully understand it. Is the "from a pack you didn't pull" restriction like for every pack they have pulled this season or just the episode?
You swap an UR pulled from a pack from today's episode for an UR that you didn't pull that's inside that pack (meaning, the pack from today's episode)
What the above comment said, you can't swap it for a different ur you pulled in that pack, but you can swap it for any other card in that pack
Once again, gonna ask that next season, they're allowed to buy a structure deck from the shop by skipping EVERY pull that week, and only once
Good idea, makes the structure decks relevant in the series. I’d say put it as a lifeline limiting it to just one structure deck purchase towards each player for the duration of the series.
Joseph really out here maldin over every SR and UR in Dougs deck while winning
And here I thought Dzeeff was gonna ban Gagaga Cowboy
there is some innate comedy in the fact that the card that is written in a way where dark world effects can trigger makes red resonator miss timing
Fusion substitute lookin pretty neat in this format
"Always treated as polymerization" should technically ban it tbh
@@toondude78it’s not called polymerization so nope
@@toondude78fuses using the field only, that alone makes it different enough
6:20 yah I mean fluffal still has scythe and fluffal fusion bro it can still cook plus fluffal owl is at 3 pay 500 to fusion summon that’s chump change
Doug really pulling out all the anime decks