DEF CON 26 - Si, Agent X - Wagging the Tail:Covert Passive Surveillance
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- In this modern digital age of technically competent adversaries we forget that there may still be a need to conduct old school physical surveillance against a target. Many organisations utilise surveillance teams and these may be in-house in the case of government agencies or third-party teams contracted for a specific task and their targets range from suspected terrorists to people accused of bogus insurance claims.
Whilst most people think that they may never be placed under surveillance some professions increase this probability. For example, if you are a member of the press with sources that you only meet face to face you could be a target especially if the source is a whistleblower or has information that their employer would rather they didn't give to you. Would it seem far-fetched to think that a hacker, security researcher or a member of the EFF could be placed under surveillance? Maybe even some current and former DEF CON speakers and attendees?
These teams are not the lone Private Investigator sat in their car at the bottom of your street but are highly trained individuals whose job is to remain undetected. Their mission is to observe and identify interactions and document everything they see. They aim to be "The Grey Man", that person, when asked to describe, you are unable to. Their techniques have changed very little over decades because they work.
This talk will focus on mobile and foot surveillance techniques used by surveillance teams. It will also include tips on identifying if you are under surveillance and how to make their life difficult.
"What was your confidence in being able to spot a surveillance team before this talk?"
5/10
"What's your confidence in being able to spot a surveillance team now?"
1/10
Optimist detected.
How to make someone with paranoia go insane: send them this video.
I'm almost tempted, I know just the guy..
Well shit.
I showed it to him and apparently he's mellowed out.
Bwahahahahah... TRUE!!!
that`s me/ I was followed for over a damned year during a court case . I have a certified letter from my lawyer saying "hey , they hired a ton of p.i`s be careful" they parked out front . followed me . had old trucks with cabs they slept in it was comical at times but that much time being followed fucks with your head for good. I still have the letter as proof if I tell my friends .
@@William.Shakespeare What kind of case was it? And why did you have to "be careful"?
Got it. I'll just keep going to work by a sequence of bus, train and taxi rides on varying routes, at each stop buying newspapers, coffee and cigarettes, which I'll dispose of in public seating areas, where I generally engage in conversation with everyone I meet. Guess they'll never figure out I'm a spy!
This video is way too short, I was really enjoying this. Thank you.
*'How to become a suspicious person to a patient in a mental hospital.'*
Want to mess with the team surveilling you and don't care if they know you think you're being watched? Whenever you go out somewhere take half a dozen small pieces of paper, write random letters and numbers on them, then hide them in random places along your route.
but that also communicates that you know you're being watched... not what the talk was about
@@JulianSlomanhmmm did you read the first sentence in its entirety?
@@LitCactus no idea how I missed that! Haha
Start geocaching! Hide your dead drop near enough one to provide a reasonable excuse of looking for a geocache!
Dodginess rating of theatrical geocache: toasty
Isn't the entire purpose of a dead drop plausible deniability? The one leaving it walks away, and the one grabbing it has the ability to survey the area to see if they can get in inconspicuously before they actually do. If anything, I would think putting it near a geocache would make it more likely for it to end up in the wrong hands, which could be just as bad as being caught getting it.
and what if a geocacher accidentally finds your dead drop? :o
@@iWhacko kiss your drop goodbye. Still better than the authorities coming across it
That's kind of my point though in last post. Dead drop already has plausible deniability built in right up until the receiver retrieves it. Doing it near geocache sights just makes it more likely to be found by someone else unintended
Hmm I guess that explains why I found $50k in cash in a geocache. I thought someone was just feeling really generous... :P
I wouldn't be suprised if they just start using things like airpods connected to a phone rather than the hidden earpieces and microphones set up, its common enough to not be out of place
*I like pretending to be a suspect for something I would never do.*
*Getting the theft prevention personal to follow you, or having them call the police on you.*
*i kid, i kid*
I do that all the time, when I see staff paying extra attention to me I'll stick something in my pocket then quietly slip it onto a shelf just before I leave. They want to suspect me then I'll waste their time.
so I like how they mention the fact that if you see obvious surveillance, that means they're wanting you to notice them, but when they show FBI footage of OBVIOUS shady stuff by so-called "professionals", they don't even question whether all that was for show, diverting surveillance attention from "real" agents?
I mean, it turned out they were real. And they weren't being overt in the same way described.
Congratulations, paranoia level 3 reached. we'll contact you.
They had been there for decades, they got sloppy
""No one ever wears black tee-shirts and jeans all the time."
*peering into my closet*
Well fuck me, right?
just because im paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me...
again.
The guy trying to be funny killed this for me
TheAdminFromHell if I were surveilling him, I would have had to break cover to tell him how not funny he was. Very good anti surveillance technique - annoy the hell out of the team following you.
Yeah, the sidekick added nothing to this talk whatsoever.
I liked it
Look at me being all supportive.
Forgot to mention the ultimate urban evasion device: mountain bike / bmx. Not easy to follow on full evasive tactics.
What if I unicycle to the hottest gay night club?
If Danny Mac and Fabio have taught me that this does work
Your entirely missing the fact they use aircraft
41:00 How to cover a dead Letterbox?
Go for a Geocache at Weekends and sneak the Letterbox into Your Hike
Everyone is a target with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth now even if you just sit at home and do nothing... They're still going to log probes Mac addresses and everything along with coordinates, dates.
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Going under bridges and taking stuff.....that is called Geocaching!
I feel like if I ever met the guy on the right I would want to punch him in the face.
@22:30 love the fact they used a screenshot from my favorite show strike back!
SOO...I just thought of a 'LVL 99' brush pass location/style based on what you've been showing in the video;
[mind you, I'm not in this industry, just creative thinking OTF]
- Sex Shop; Many have gloryhole stalls. Nobody except those that want to get something in one, will readily go in the store. If the person goes in one unplanned, they're going to act SUPER weird about it, because when was the last time most people went in one.
--> So, then you use the gloryhole as a contact point between two people. You could be intercepted by a fast-thinking surveillance who goes in the stall opposite yours. So you can't just hand something through the hole; You'd want to have a certain item or (preferrably) a set of possible acceptable items. It could be a hollow adult toy, it could be a cucumber with the item in it, basically anything that'll fit through the hole.
--> From there the person picking up the package could do something as an indicator (basically a handshake [authent]), bite the tip of the cucumber, put a green condom on it if all is safe for the exchange to go forth, red if not. etc. Auth is just a +1 easy and smart overall.
--> The exchange takes place [or does it ;), they don't know]. There you go, bob's your uncle, you can get more creative from there.
Moscow Rules as they apply to Surveillance Operations.
1. Assume nothing.
2. Never go against your gut.
3. Everyone is potentially under opposition Control.
4. Do not look back; you are never completely alone.
5. Go with the flow; blend in.
6. Vary your pattern and stay within your cover.
7. Lull them into a sense of complacency.
8. Do not harass the opposition.
9. Pick the time and place for action.
10. Keep your options open.
Well yes, actually all of the Moscow Rules Apply to you if you believe yourself to be under Surveillance.
Ehh not bad. Would be better with more tradecraft talk. Speakers spent more time talking up surveillance than anti/counter. Would love to see a second or longer talk.
24:37 or you know if they want to take the easy way they just have earphones in and are looking thru the i phone...
After seeing this I want to watch "The Tall Man with One Black Shoe" It was remade with Tom Hanks, but I prefer the original. Great amounts of toast in that one.
They took most of those outside pay phones down years ago. I noticed they put one back up at the local park and ride. But that's the exception.
Maybe in Britain they still have the Dr. Who phone booths. For touristy purposes.
Now that we have camera phones you can take their picture easily. Or a picture of their shoes, jewelry, watches, ... You don't necessarily have to commit to memory.
They square up, feet shoulder width apart. And in a low voice tell the cashier|clerk|store manager. "Let me know if he meets anyone."
Why sit in the boot (trunk) for a boot fit when you could park the car with your equipment and monitor remotely? I suppose there may be cases where you need feet on the ground to react to a situation, but it seems often that surveillance doesn't need feet on the ground. The feet on the ground will be the rest of the team.
If I saw Scott and Stonebridge on the street I’d get the hell out of there because someone is going to shout “MOVE MOVE MOVE” and a ton of bullets are about to be expended.
35:30 Advice straight out of Burn Notice. Michael said literally the same thing this guy does. That show was legit.
A lot of it was, yeah. They did some research.
I was surprised to see Jacob Appelbaum on the first slide, not that his appearance was irrelevant to the subject.
Our top men report the surveillance capabilities of the KFC are finger lickin' good
5:27 but above all watch out for those bbc tele licensing van.... they will find you... i know... i seen their ad from the 60s...
9:07 - Why are you surveilling my mother's house?
Informative talk, but the speaker on the right really shouldn't try so hard to make a joke/comment about everything. I found it rather annoying.
Both of them are never-ending cringe and the content is hopelessly outdated. Is DEFCON desperate for presentations?
VanderChicken can you provide more up to date content?
VanderChicken what is so outdated?
Outdated is only that they could just talk to their fricken smartphones all the time like everyone else and dont need any fanceeee com tech at all to communicate with eachother.
Which is really useful as a way to transfer physical goods. The iPhone is so amazebalz
a micro sd card should make a brush pass into an open shopping bag real easy.
I mean that footage was pretty old.
Portaferry/Strangford.... good input for the video. Old G Div.
lessons in how not to be a supporting speaker
Calm down. Have a sense of humor.
*MAKIN' TOAST!*
*BUTTERN' TOAST!*
Not all agencies are that resourceful: Went to the Czech republic years back on vacation and for some reason I was a person of interest? These two poor guys following me in their old car didn't change clothes for the entire week. It was kind of thrilling, especially when I tried to mess with them: I suddenly sped up and came to a hard stop just after a corner. They came whizzing by, then realising I was parked, so they started breaking, but then realised how suspicious it looked, so they decided to drive off. Eventually they picked me up again, as I didn't use an alias at my hotel. To this day I have no idea why they were following me in the first place, I detest drugs, and have never had a sinister plan in my life, except maybe in primary school.
Problem is that , people report false information
Glow in the dark in more than one way
2:06 LMAO, the KFC joke... Dang. That would sound like "켄터키 프라이드 치킨"
"maybe not KFC" Nestle - hold my water bottle.
I am John Bernays, The Picture of Bernay the Fone Hacker is a friend of mine.
Does anyone know the sample to that old surveillance video they showed, it was actually really good and could be made to a decent beat
Can we use this to get ride of friends who do not respect social distancing?!
Also, stop at a random house, leave something at the porch, drive away.
Yo sick that's where I am haha. That's my location there lol wasn't expecting that. Hold tight browntown. Ironically one of the most bent cops going for 30plus years from there and more drugs go through next village than I've ever know lol also in the Doomsday book 1066
Nintendo obviously took notes.
Enjoyed this, quite funny too :)
I drop off packages in the restroom all the time.
Great video.
37:27 can anyone explain what he meant? I haven't watched The Big Lebowski yet...
It's a dick joke. You're not missing anything.
@@frankzeppelin ...damn, I'm still curious though...
25:30 - That guy on the left is totally not a comunist spy.
I can see a NSL (National Surveillance League).
#GreatConference
This don’t work when they follow with aircraft 24/7
Looks like fun 😉
I get excited seeing this kind of stuff and not sure why.
They're doing the youtube thing where the cameraman interjects with "funny" responses, to make the whole thing seem spontaneous and unscripted. Except it's extremely scripted. They even have a joke with a torturous 2 minute video punchline in the slides.
'Agent X' is classified as 'NBP, DNTB' which means Never Been Punched , Desperately Needs To Be. Maybe interrupting people and spewing out unfunny pop culture references and repeating "change the tempo" over and over is an anti-surveillance tactic. He may just be so annoying that he is unsurveillable. . ? British guy was brilliant, though.
i legit had a msft van out front one day in the old days - hella funny
the big black triangle wasnt funny
surveillance at Defcon wow now theirs got to be some good war stories here. "target has entered a hotel, roger bravo 1, turned left entering the hall'" - "ladies and gentlemen the winner of the 27th defcon spot the Fed challenge is bob, he wins for spotting active FBI agent Zack Baird, give them both a round of applause please" 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Everybody at defcon is a surveillance target sure.
Man... clearly having Aphantasia is going to be an issue if I ever want to perform any of these anti-surveillance methods.
Interesting talk! But how is it possible they may even share this information with us? 😅
Because it's dated, they use your phone now and they use drones overhead.
reminds me of the lady who used to chain smoke cigs in her car that lined up with my window. One day she got out of the car with thus telescopic camera and I was like 🤔. Also had this truck parked out front one day with hbi bros logo on the side while another group of "hbi bros" did something on a power line behind the house. Might have been nothing but it caught my eye for sure
When walking, just turn around, walk in the opposite direction, start recording video of oncoming faces with your cell phone...
That'll piss them off.
The wire they turned the street signs
This is exactly what I would expect a fed to feed us
Why use special earpieces ? ..you say its all about blending in.. just use a phone or bt earpiece...
This lecture seems obsolete.. there is a cam in every smartphone, and a mic... why so covert with the cameras, which have crappy rez.
If you have the dexterity and skill to do so inconspicuously, so be it. But if you're pretending to use your phone and just happen to keep pointing it in someone's general direction in a somewhat level matter, it's going to look shady.
The earpeaces were not cheap ^^ The money was spent so why not use them ^^
@39:35 Do any of these people NOT look Russian? Any of them look Irish?
What happens when someone is wearing a uniformly colored dress when you're using brevity code?
Old quote to find western spies in Russia: "Heels on the ground comrade found, Heels to the sky western spy".
This is in reference to the slav squat, westerners trying to fit in will without realising it often squat on the balls of their feet with the heels off of the ground, slavs almost always squat flat footed.
Bit archaic and basic stuff but still a fun talk if for entertainment purposes alone.
Wonder how many feds were sweating in this talk xD
That's not surveillance that's harassment. I'd be like "bitches leave. bitches leave!" all the way home
Screw y'all, I'm always reverse-parking everywhere every time. Not gonna reverse into ??? when I start my journey when I can reverse into a space I've just driven past and examined at the end of my journey.
That guy is so annoyed by the other guy who thinks he is funny.
Ah yees the Michelle Madigan story.
The recipe is not a secret.
If surveillance team has lost anonymity and the target was able to document illegal activity ( street gang members with access to tech. , physical contact threats and not behavioral mod. ) Surveillance turned violent. How to respond?? I'm from Los Angeles
Decent info. Terrible presentation. Lose the super irritating and distracting non-Brit guy when presenting.
And if you do spot them?
Say hi.
33:25 : Do not assume other people are men. But we assume that you are.
Purpose why they surveil us ?
If you're selling drugs, arms or anti government or any number of reasons.
@@ogvicodinmuncher that is why they consistently report im selling drugs since I moved to that bottom ghetto.
btw i'm sure there's fake streamer agent out there
Yeoo Portaferry and Strangford
Anyone else spot the two lambos parked in the wrong direction?
Surest thing is that Kanye can't spell DEFCON properly.
6:26 hey i remember that :)
Agent x great speech
32:45 obviously you are!
Stop driving,, use a skateboard, or bicycle, but you'll have to be good at both.
FED!
Who me?
Those agents that were captured were so bad it makes me want to think they were purposely trained poorly and placed as distractions for the real agents working in the area. I mean really. I am not trained in surveillance but if I saw any of that shit I would know something was up and they likely would still not even notice me standing there staring at them trying to figure out what the hell they were doing.
Handpicked clips.
They have done that shit for YEARS, maybe sharp as idk what. If you have done something for quite a while you will see yourself dropping this safety regulation here sometimes, a bit of inaccuracy there.... Its still humans and humans are not (if u want) built for this shit.
Also there was a system change involved, imagine how you would feel.
They where trained in a system that ceased to exist maybe not this big fans of "not ussr" russia.
fair enough, but that network was supposedly pretty widespread... so there had to be some control from above, otherwise it's just pointless operative work.
Exactly.
4:28 an on occasion Elmer fudd walk by say be wary wary quiet i'm hunting fsb hehehehe
and then on Twitter I'd explain what I meant when I Was screaming about bitches on later because I had to become a public figure to throw off reddit stasi.
This talk is incredibly dated. I take it they got most of their resources from the early to mid 1990s. This is not how surveillance is done in a majority of cases. The Phone booth tips and utter lack of mention of things like cellphone apps, Rideshares like Uber, drones, or even spy satellites that can zero in on your block- but why use those when you can meet your handler online on Hello Kitty Island and communicate there worry free. Now here's a free tip: The Law Enforcement Agencies like FBI, CIA, NSA, and even your local Sheriff's office will have authorized drivers they can have dispatched to you while under surveillance. This is in cooperation with UBER and LYFT - In other words, why follow the mark? - When you can give the mark a ride.
Anyone who's got the attention of any of these departments isn't going to be using an app to order a cab, at least they wouldn't if they were smart enough. Regarding your statements involving tracking online, cellphone apps etc. There are criminals who do not conduct their business online or use smart phones. It is very difficult to pick up a target in an apartment block who has a dozen throw away phones, physical surveillance is the only way in most cases as is covered in the talk. You need to catch them in the act.
Anyone has the titel of the song at 7:30?
32:56 lol
Anyone else getting the organized stalking shite?
FBI:( 0 ___0).
(0____0 ).
WTF?