3 Stages of Dunning Kruger Effect Every Student MUST Master

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  • @JustinSung
    @JustinSung  3 дні тому +5

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  • @godricmudblood
    @godricmudblood 3 дні тому +117

    I keep telling my juniors that when you study and And you feel pain then that's when you have learned something.

  • @rhondacromer1474
    @rhondacromer1474 3 дні тому +52

    This gives me hope. Senior citizen, taking piano lessons, living in the valley of despair. Looking forward to climbing up the slope.

  • @kenwitness5844
    @kenwitness5844 3 дні тому +21

    This reminds me of Neuro Linguistic Programming's (NLP) 4 stages of learning:
    1) Unconscious incompetence - you don't know that you don't know.
    2) Conscious incompetence - you become aware that you don't know that you don't know.
    3) Conscious competence - you become capable so long as you pay attention to each step of the task (the actual learning stage)
    4) Unconscious competence - you're able to perform the task without thinking about it.

    • @Dara-Favour
      @Dara-Favour 2 дні тому +3

      Where did you learn this?

    • @wariosqueegee9504
      @wariosqueegee9504 2 дні тому +2

      I believe this was mentioned in one of Vinh Giang's videos (Vinh Giang is also the reason I have started watching Justin Sung)

    • @kenwitness5844
      @kenwitness5844 2 дні тому

      @@Dara-Favour I did a deep dive into the NLP works of Richard Bandler and John Grinder.

    • @GPxNABrothers
      @GPxNABrothers 8 годин тому +1

      i think they borrow it from Kolb's cycle

  • @SaberMartinez
    @SaberMartinez 3 дні тому +25

    How to Become an Expert: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
    1️⃣ Stage 1: Mount Stupid - You feel overconfident with little knowledge. Danger: You don't realize how much more there is to learn. ⚠️
    2️⃣ Stage 2: Valley of Despair - Realizing how much you don’t know causes doubt. Push through this tough stage for real growth! 💥
    3️⃣ Stage 3: Slope of Enlightenment - Skills and confidence align. You’re now an expert! 🚀
    Don’t give up during the tough stages - they lead to true expertise. 💡

  • @arpitpurbey
    @arpitpurbey 3 дні тому +16

    I was Just thinking about why Justin has not uploaded any video😅
    And
    Boom💥 💥
    I used to get excited about music videos earlier😂 Now Justin's weekly newsletter or UA-cam videos gives me that feel good hormones❤
    His videos are really helpful for me,my learning style has changed drastically.
    Thank you Justin ❤

  • @PruthvirajKakade-l1k
    @PruthvirajKakade-l1k 3 дні тому +4

    I had wasted my months of preparation and I am in valley of despair
    Fortunately I found u , and now I have started to lessen content consumption and actual methods to study ,
    Thanks.

  • @CaptainWumbo
    @CaptainWumbo 2 дні тому +1

    This is an extremely typical misunderstanding of the effect. It's not that people early on believe they are experts it's just that they think they will perform slightly better on a test than they will, where experts tend to think they will score a little more poorly. It is as much to do with the perception of the range of questions you can be asked on a test as it is to do with confidence.
    But the idea that everyone is arrogant is an extremely appealing one, for some reason, even though qualitatively we never experience comparing ourselves favourably to experts when we approach new skills. The effect also is not very dramatic, tbh.

  • @shalaq
    @shalaq 2 дні тому +1

    Hello! With complex skills the way to think about learning is try to visualise this graph as one side of a polyhedron, or as a piece of a fractal structure or a piece of Rubik's cube. What I mean is most complex skills are made out of many smaller skills, each one having some impact on your overall performance. Once you get better at a subskill, you get better either in this one subskill, or multiple overlapping subskills or the grand skill (if there is 100% overlap). It's just another way of thinking about learning, I am an English philologist, run a bakery business as head baker, play the drums and a little bit of guitar and many times over I see overlaps in one skill over the other. All the best

    • @cryptomancer2927
      @cryptomancer2927 День тому

      That is very insightful! I think you're right. Experts are those people who can identify all the subskills and know why they are important.
      Becoming an expert requires understanding the system as a whole and then working on those fine tuning skills.
      Thank you for sharing that!

  • @gunjan_prajapat
    @gunjan_prajapat 3 дні тому +1

    i am stuck in valley of despair, and it is time for some change ..thankyou i needed to Hear this i have job interviews by the end of December so thnkyou for posting this at he right time.

  • @TakeaSipBabes
    @TakeaSipBabes 3 дні тому +1

    Just found your video and as a programmer in the valley of despair I can totally agree. Luckily for me I realized i was in the first stage pretty fast, but the second one took me years, I have only recently started climbing back as being an average programmer is not where I want to be. Great video!

    • @clubdesalud1488
      @clubdesalud1488 4 години тому

      @@TakeaSipBabes just go to a technical interview and get kicked back down into that valley lol

  • @SylviaNamale-w2n
    @SylviaNamale-w2n 3 дні тому +2

    Thank you so much Dr Justin, was doing some revision then this popped up and I had to come. Thank you so much for your weekly newsletters.
    I am having exams this week and I feel that I will do better😊

  • @ishrakmujibift4269
    @ishrakmujibift4269 3 дні тому

    I would also like to add that emotional detachment may help immensely in this regard, because the pride of overconfidence and misery of low self-esteem makes us forget about the fact that this progression is truly natural. That is possibly why I am now able to get past the emotional turbulence of the first two stages easier than before.
    (Note: Meditation is a fantastic way to achieve that emotional stability, albeit it will take time to develop.)

  • @thelearningmindset4853
    @thelearningmindset4853 2 дні тому

    I cited this research in my PhD; thank you for bringing this topic to light.

  • @MIIIM-7
    @MIIIM-7 2 дні тому

    Phase II starts at mount of idiocy maximum and ends at valley of despair minimum

  • @Author_SoftwareDesigner
    @Author_SoftwareDesigner 3 дні тому +2

    Another legendary video by Dr. Sung. When are you gonna write a book Justin?

  • @BestWisdom-e9z
    @BestWisdom-e9z 2 дні тому

    It's really thrilling to know how to be competent and knowing what to do in every facets of life as it were.

  • @theaccidentalentreprenuer
    @theaccidentalentreprenuer День тому

    Great content. Thank you for such great insights. I often have a habit of getting stuck at Mount Stupid and not moving forward.😊

  • @floresamor4146
    @floresamor4146 3 дні тому

    This came at the right time. I started a new job with a steeeeeeeep learning curve. Thank you Justin!

  • @jeanettekeegan471
    @jeanettekeegan471 3 дні тому +1

    It all makes sense. Your graph is more understandable. Thank you for all the time you put in to this free advice.😂

  • @livinmotion1
    @livinmotion1 3 дні тому +2

    Thank you for insightful advice! I will try to apply it in my learning. I also recently started my own youtube channel creating animated videos on self develoment and minfullness, so your advice was very helpful for learning and upgrading my content as well!💚👍🙏

  • @jishajain7341
    @jishajain7341 3 дні тому +5

    Justin, honestly, at this point i am going crazy. You make it sound like it's so easy to follow these methods, but it's so super tough. Initially, they feel super easy but as the information increases, i just don't know what was the point of doing all this because i am dealing with the details in the same manner as i used to. So it just cost me more time.
    Anyway, I'm not giving up, because even before this ^, i made ample amount of mistakes and have thrown multiple pages + i know that normal reading (other methods) anyway doesn't work for me; so I'll keep going at it.
    Evern though, every time i feel like ,'this is it' i finally get it and i am still wrong, similarly, even now i feel the same. And what better way to know than trying? ( But it's costing me so much time)
    Anyway, till now, i have realised, that it's more about "thinking" than any method of note taking, reading etc.
    Secondly, it's not about how i am going to completely remember the info word by word, it's about finding how the existing system (small topics) works for the big topic.
    Thirdly, Each system or topic has parts/groups, and one has to see how a big topic can connect to a sub topic & how can a sub topic be divided in various parts and how each part makes the other part work in order to run that particular system. The relationship has to be defined between each parts and then how it connects to sub topic & the topic.
    Fourth, there is a creative edge you can give, where you can actually see what if this part doesn't work, then what will happen? , why does this part work? Find the logic , what if there's any other way to see the relationship between parts? , categorize the parts you need to master and one can go in depth to answer this.
    Fifth, this differs from subject to subject , - if i do a theoretical subject:- then it's about - "what is the theory about", how does it connect to the previous theory, how does it connect to new theory, what are the features of this theory, what others have said about this theory and then i can go about making parts of this and mastering this.
    Maybe i still have to give it a shot and see 😅
    Sixth, how to go about it? By looking at keywords (subheads & some words under it) , then creating a guessing map - as to how is it related, then guessing the 'parts' in a subtopic and then going about it ^ ... and also, making chatgpt to give me questions after all this to see if i did it okay or not.
    Now, idk if it'll work or not, i am going crazy so i might aswell try this on a new subject because that's the conclusion I've reached to and i have to finish the syllabus as well and am at the initial stages of this system.
    And a little reassurance from you for this system would be helpful. Anyway, Thank you! 💪let's keep going.

    • @jishajain7341
      @jishajain7341 3 дні тому +1

      Wtf 🤣 you're speaking about what i just wrote here. I had to stop and write this comment😂...I'll go and continue watching the video 🤣

    • @SimGunther
      @SimGunther 3 дні тому

      ​@@jishajain7341 Sometimes, I have that same feeling of "I pre watched via experience. How am I getting these main points without having seen the video?" Quite a humbling, but interesting experience to have achieved oneness in that moment. The best part is that if I genuinely am surprised by the content, I'm learning something new and it's more likely to stick in my mind. 🤗

    • @User-jr7vf
      @User-jr7vf 2 дні тому

      too long; didn't read

    • @jishajain7341
      @jishajain7341 2 дні тому

      @@User-jr7vf no issues, i didn't address it to you :)

  • @Alone_oo89
    @Alone_oo89 3 дні тому +1

    Hey, this video of which you prepared has allow me to study effectively and it was useful for everybody,thank you bro ,you do not give up to prepared a huge benefit of video🎉🎉

  • @hiandbye6311
    @hiandbye6311 3 дні тому +4

    Please make a video about learning languages academically, specifically grammar and mathematics. I am in high school and I suffer from languages and I cannot apply your advice except in chemistry and biology. Yes, I forgot physics. How do we study physics, mathematics, languages and grammar?

    • @TheCactuar124
      @TheCactuar124 3 дні тому

      Here's some advice: stop asking for videos on specific subjects. The advice in his previous videos is general enough to apply to anything.

  • @doomed5206
    @doomed5206 3 дні тому

    damn this really hit me in many places and I can confidently say that i was in the "Mt. Stupid for like 10 years" and now I am at valley of despair for sure, I just need to push and I can totally relate to every single thing in this video.

  • @mrpawan969
    @mrpawan969 2 дні тому +1

    😢 wow this blew my mind I was stuck in valley of despair for a year 😮 6:56

  • @caleel1234
    @caleel1234 3 дні тому +2

    This seems like the conscious competency idea, but it’s measuring it’s stages based on confidence. Also yes for the details of the research, could you go into it more in depth. It’s pretty interesting

  • @ahmadnasrul7550
    @ahmadnasrul7550 3 дні тому +1

    Rule no. 1: Don't skip Justin's videos🔥

  • @WayneDowning3382
    @WayneDowning3382 3 дні тому +4

    Good evening Justin. My apologies for using this forum. I am unable to receive the newsletter via email. It is not in SPAM, PROMOTIONS, or Inbox, using Gmail. I have attempted to sign up for this newsletter with multiple email addresses over the past 5-6 weeks. I have sought assistance from support, but basically zero results over the past 5 days. Perhaps a nudge from the boss will yield a result.

  • @smritimutalik8759
    @smritimutalik8759 3 дні тому +1

    This video was incredibly inspiring! Thank you for sharing such valuable insights💜🙏.Your explanations are so clear and helpful.
    This really made my day. Your videos never fail to impress.🌟

  • @BlakeLeasure
    @BlakeLeasure 2 дні тому +1

    You don’t need research to know that humility will help you learn and evolve. Sure the research is helpful to quantify expertise. But in the field, you get hired based on your degree or a noticeable achievement that you accomplished, not whether you used math or charts to prove you’re an expert.
    Anyone who’s been through struggles knows, just be humble.

  • @ShyamkrishnanNair
    @ShyamkrishnanNair 3 дні тому

    Fascinating insight into the learning process! Understanding the Dunning-Kruger Effect has helped me approach my goals with Habit10x more strategically 💡

  • @Shreyash9
    @Shreyash9 2 дні тому +1

    It's true and I have experienced it

  • @horseforce1044
    @horseforce1044 3 дні тому

    I was just reading about this earlier today! Fascinating topic!

  • @ПетърАлександров-л8с

    Do you plan on doing a video on critical thinking and its applicability in the sciences, humanities and trades?

  • @RM-jv1pt
    @RM-jv1pt День тому +1

    Can you do a video on how apply game theory in competitive exams 😢😢 plzzz

  • @tedtorres3919
    @tedtorres3919 3 дні тому

    I'm rolling down mountain stupidity. For me, it's been helpful to narrow my field down to an area of interest . I'm about to finish a bachelor degree in Art History and decided I want to specialize in the modern era. Therefore, all my skills and resources are oriented in that direction, I already decided on my masters degree.

  • @sambito9597
    @sambito9597 3 дні тому

    Thank you Sir this video is really helpful. Please make a video on how to approach tricky questions during exam and what is the most practical meaning of critical thinking, how to enable it during problem solving period? please sir it is a kind request.

  • @katr2771
    @katr2771 2 дні тому +1

    I'm stuck in Stage 2. There's no way out and no way forward.

    • @AcumenArchitect
      @AcumenArchitect 2 дні тому

      But technically your belief that you are in the valley of despair is in itself a Dunning Kruger effect, meaning you are overconfident that there is no way to begin to enter stage 3. So by pushing yourself when all hope seems lost, and learning more you will enter the valley of despair in the Dunning Kruger effect about your ability to navigate the initial Dunning Kruger effect, and then both Dunning Kruger effects will enter the 3rd stage simultaneously, making you successful. Good luck my Dunnling. (kruger)

  • @msgreybird
    @msgreybird 2 дні тому

    The graph is just a model of the theory. It visualises the theory in the most simplest form.

  • @pabasaramarasinghe3394
    @pabasaramarasinghe3394 2 дні тому

    Comment is not related to video, Is it ok to use ChatGPT for priming? I mean before reading a lecture note we let ChatGPT to breakdown the note .

  • @edwardhunt2348
    @edwardhunt2348 2 дні тому

    Does this Kruger affect have a systemic pattern ie empirical research and bias in professionals (kahneman, thinking fast and slow) stated statistically about asset management

  • @emanuel197u
    @emanuel197u 3 дні тому

    I might be on mount stupid regarding this effect, but I feel like it doesn't occur for all people in all cases. Someone could avoid climbing mt. stupid and falling in the valley of despair if they approach learning with the correct mindset and use the right techniques.

  • @MG-SM
    @MG-SM 3 дні тому

    babe wake up, justin just dropped a new one

  • @NotMePlease1
    @NotMePlease1 День тому

    I wish to encourage you to try to become a doctor still. You could go to Canada. I love your lectures on study.

  • @jamalalafgani1137
    @jamalalafgani1137 3 дні тому

    The most importan thing is stage 2, I like to use that in my learning habit.

  • @DeathToTickled
    @DeathToTickled 3 дні тому

    Thanks justin, your videos are very helpful.Please make a video about Binaural Beats, what do you think about them?

  • @markgarao6898
    @markgarao6898 3 дні тому

    I'm a simple man. I see Justin Sung, I click and like the video.

  • @a.p2427
    @a.p2427 День тому

    Can you explain about tough Mcq answering

  • @neon75105
    @neon75105 День тому

    That's a strong assumption to make: that people who deny the effect are in "mount stupid." Because if your recommendation is to keep trying until you become convinced of its veracity, what tells us that isn't just deluding themselves.
    The religious zealots make a similar argument: "Only if you pray enough and with strong faith, only then you will see that [INSERT ANY RELIGIOUS BOOK] is true."

  • @OvenBakedCookie
    @OvenBakedCookie 3 дні тому +5

    0:15 That is NOT the Dunning Kruger Effect. It's a popularised chart someone came up with after reading the research paper. The actual graph plotting the expected & actual test scores of participants can be found in that very journal you referenced, and it looks VERY different.
    Seems like you've fallen into the Dunning Kruger Effect about Dunning Kruger Effect. (this in itself is incorrect use)

    • @creatrotera
      @creatrotera 3 дні тому +9

      @@OvenBakedCookie you didn't watch the full video... Perhaps you have fallen into the Dunning Kruger effect yourself XD

    • @AcumenArchitect
      @AcumenArchitect 2 дні тому

      @@creatrotera You're assuming he didn't realize his own error and regret this comment before you ever wrote a reply, perhaps YOU have fallen victim to the Dunning Kruger effect, about the Dunning Kruger effect, which was also originally about the Dunning Kruger effect....

    • @creatrotera
      @creatrotera 2 дні тому +1

      @@AcumenArchitect ah but good sir, how sure are you that you havent fallen into the dunning kruger effect yourself? about me assuming before writing the comment? perhaps you have fallen into the dunning kruger about the dunning kruger effect of the dunning kruger effect of the dunning kruger effect of the dunning kruger effect?

    • @AcumenArchitect
      @AcumenArchitect День тому +1

      ​@@creatrotera Good gentleman, it would appear that you are once more mistaken. You see, amidst the folly of determining who is truly victim to the Dunning Kruger effect, you failed to even consider the possibility that my legal name is in fact "Dunning G. Kruger"! I am rendered completely immune to the effect, and am in fact its worthy arbiter!

    • @creatrotera
      @creatrotera День тому

      @@AcumenArchitect touche sire, very well played indeed

  • @PersieJunior
    @PersieJunior 12 годин тому

    please make us a video of how to read novels ihave four of the and i dont know where to start

  • @Looking_at_the_viewer
    @Looking_at_the_viewer 3 дні тому +1

    Great video ❤

  • @lucasm4056
    @lucasm4056 3 дні тому

    That's my favorite subject : mastery

  • @Unstoppable023
    @Unstoppable023 3 дні тому +1

    Justin please add hindi audio translation in ur video, it will become easy to understand & remember ur techniques as indian citizen.

    • @mehran528
      @mehran528 3 дні тому +2

      So you can write english but can't understand

    • @Unstoppable023
      @Unstoppable023 2 дні тому

      @@mehran528 Yes. We want hindi audio translation, Which makes it easier for us to know the deep essence of video...

    • @Unstoppable023
      @Unstoppable023 2 дні тому

      @@mehran528 i used translation tools

    • @User-jr7vf
      @User-jr7vf 2 дні тому

      wosh the audio is completely fine; no need to translate it

  • @cgspartan87
    @cgspartan87 3 дні тому +1

    sooo many internet experts out there need to see this graph,
    ppl over here thinking they know more than the experts cuz they "researched" for a cpl hrs smh

  • @Einaressence
    @Einaressence 2 дні тому

    i disagree with first part, I'm completely opposite of it.
    I do have skills and yet I feel like I'm not good enough and don't have enough confidence cuz I have this "perfectionism" in me which makes me not go all in even I know i have same or better skills than people who are getting jobs and applying.
    ( I'm preparing for data analytics)

  • @josa720
    @josa720 3 дні тому

    I see this is a process of stages, but I'm not getting the "How to" part, as said in the title.

  • @scientificbhaiya9336
    @scientificbhaiya9336 3 дні тому

    I am in the Valley of Despair.
    So underconfident thasat I get zoned out in exams thinking im not capable of doing it.

  • @Animebro345
    @Animebro345 3 дні тому

    A smash of reality 'I am at mt.stupid'😅😮

  • @JustinSung
    @JustinSung  3 дні тому

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  • @aza6513
    @aza6513 2 дні тому

    Have you ever know that duning krugger never make that lineplot like that? T

  • @caleel1234
    @caleel1234 3 дні тому

    Krunning Dugger effect

  • @str0680
    @str0680 3 дні тому

    Can you point me to any research which uses this graphic to describe the Dunning Kruger effect?

  • @fatimamuhammad6731
    @fatimamuhammad6731 3 дні тому +1

    2nd

    • @AcumenArchitect
      @AcumenArchitect 2 дні тому

      Dunning Kruger effect, refresh the page and you will discover you are the fourth.

  • @harrypearle9781
    @harrypearle9781 3 дні тому +1

    TRUMP AI ? (Trump has AI, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE !)
    Heaven help US, now ! Let us hope the country can function and survive OK.
    ================================================================= TNX

  • @OfficeEivillomedhi
    @OfficeEivillomedhi 2 дні тому

    👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @khubz9190
    @khubz9190 3 дні тому

    14:09 bro i spat my drink 😂😂

  • @Med33712
    @Med33712 3 дні тому +1

    First comment

  • @SSYlist
    @SSYlist День тому

    It's obviously real 😂

  • @jeremydas723
    @jeremydas723 3 дні тому +2

    This isn't the Dunning Kruger effect...

    • @Author_SoftwareDesigner
      @Author_SoftwareDesigner 3 дні тому

      It’s the stages of competence, which is the foundation of the Dunning Kruger Effect

  • @explore4403
    @explore4403 2 дні тому +1

    Hey, Doc! Are you single? 🫣

    • @AcumenArchitect
      @AcumenArchitect 2 дні тому

      is that a dunning kruger reference

    • @explore4403
      @explore4403 День тому

      @AcumenArchitect I hope not. Only Dr. Justin can tell 😉.