TNG is an example of TV show that was at its peak when it was ended.....like Seinfeld. The uniqueness about TNG was that movies ensued soon after. Some good.....some bad. Generations was a mixed bag too. To this day I still don't understand why Picard's family on earth had to die......we got a very good post Best Of Both Worlds episode where we get to know his family only to have that memory trashed.
Honestly, I don't feel like any of the TNG movies are any good. Even First Contact, which completely ruins Picard by changing him into a person he never was. For me, TNG ends with it's perfect finale, all good things.
I love Generations. It's my favorite Trek film. Of course, a lot of that is due to nostalgia and for the fact that it was the only Trek movie I had on VHS as a teenager, so I used to watch it fairly regularly. The lessons of not taking life for granted and making the most of each day is something that resonated a lot with me back then, and even moreso as an adult.
Pat Tallman (Lyta in Bablyon5) has confirmed she was the stuntwomen for quite a few of the female cast in both TNG and DS9, including Crusher;s falling off the boat stunt and one of the Klingon Duras sisters here (can't remember which one). According to an interview, Malcolm McDowell was supposed to show how the Elorians were stronger than Klingons by backhanding her and causing her to fly backwards over a console, but she was pregnant at the time of filming and they couldn't risk it, so they edited the scene down rather than find a different stuntwomen.
This film had the potential to be something more. In an alternate timeline, Leonard Nimoy got his rewrite and ended up directing the film with noteworthy appearances by all original cast. The film would also have ended with an epilogue scene featuring Spock standing over Kirk’s grave, similar to William Shatner’s novel “Star Trek- The Return”. Sadly, this film is just a slab of Spam on a piece of dry toast.
I think another major issue with this movie is that it's written too much "for the fans." One reason the TOS movies did so well in the 80s is that they weren't lore-heavy, and remained accessible to casual audiences. And Generations could, theoretically, have worked as a bridge to introduce more Star Trek casuals to the TNG era. I think that's what they hoped to do. But instead, the movie is so deeply tied to the show's continuity that you basically need to have watched the show to understand all the plot elements in the film. Things like Data's emotion chip or the Duras Sisters go totally unexplained. It also doesn't do a particularly good job re-introducing the characters. The Holodeck scene would be baffling to someone who hadn't seen the show. The whole thing was written as though it were simply Season 8 of TNG, with no regard for trying to connect with a larger audience.
GOOD! The problem with the original series films, apart from the first, is that they were massively dumbed down to try and gain profit from a general audience at the expense of the audience who had supported the series for a decade or more. If you have millions of viewers built in why alienate them to attract a few more? This is especially true of the Jar Jar Abrams Kelvin atrocity!
Star Trek Generation is based an idea so simple it's not even worth thinking about. It's bit of a problem for a movie and it'd even be a problem for the TV show. You want Kirk then put Kirk in from the start and explain it later. It doesn't have to be time travel, it doesn't have to be Q, it doesn't have to be a "transport malfunction"... for a tested process, that sure goes wrong often. It does however have to be interesting enough for involving Captain Kirk and the Nexus just doesn't cut it. Also... I think Kirk should be the villain while remaining Kirk. I mean, he was right in his time but now he's the villain, his thinking and attitudes make him the villain. You know, Generations.
Nice one. Cheers. Yup, this one felt like another instalment of the TV show. The ending was reminiscent of the Vasquez Rocks episode, as though a short drive from the studio would be adequate for the job of portraying an alien world. Special Guest Star of the week, along with a few cameos thrown-in for good measure. And that damn Data story which got old fast. Was it terrible? No, not really. Was it Cinematic, sweeping and special? Not at all. Did we enjoy it? Well, it had its moments I suppose. Frankly, I had forgotten that Kirk died at the end. Ho-hum.
A movie that very much doesn't know what it wants to be or wants to do. But I just can't hate it. The people who say it disrespects Captain Kirk, well, I think the opposite. Kirk is the one thing that consistently works in the movie. Shatner lights up the screen when he's on it and lifts some pretty mediocre material, and his death in my view is pretty good: he gets to throw a very punches, jump across some rocks one more time, and selflessly gives his life to stop a madman from destroying an entire pre-Warp civilization. That's heroism. It's completely something Captain Kirk would do. Is the movie perfect? Of course not. Far from it. But a lot of the criticisms leveled at it are a bit overstated.
Having watched, from the second row, Sir Patrick Stewart and Sir Ian McKellen perform 'Waiting for Godot' at the Theatre Royal Haymarket I can reassure you that neither are hams. Both are superb actors.
Generations is not a "middling" movie. It's an awful movie. It's the Star Trek version of Rise of Skywalker, only even worse. An 'everything but the kitchen sink' plot that falls apart if you think about for half a second because the opening scene establishes that Sauron could just fly into the nexus no problem and he knows that. The way time travel is used is just as nonsensical and unexplained as "somehow Palpatine returned." And the ways it killed off both Kirk and the Enterprise D were so mind-bogglingly stupid and poorly written it's astounding Paramount could let them happen that way. The scene where the Enterprise crashes is pretty cool, but that's the only redeeming quality in the entire movie. Star Trek 5 at least has the 1 good scene with McCoy's father and Nemesis has a decent though not as good as it should have been final battle. Generations has nothing but crap from start to finish besides for a few seconds of the Enterprise crashing.
The only trek film that doubles as a christmas film.
TNG is an example of TV show that was at its peak when it was ended.....like Seinfeld. The uniqueness about TNG was that movies ensued soon after. Some good.....some bad. Generations was a mixed bag too. To this day I still don't understand why Picard's family on earth had to die......we got a very good post Best Of Both Worlds episode where we get to know his family only to have that memory trashed.
None of the TNG films are canon, and you cannot argue me away from this idea - for my logic is perfect and cannot be denied.
Honestly, I don't feel like any of the TNG movies are any good. Even First Contact, which completely ruins Picard by changing him into a person he never was. For me, TNG ends with it's perfect finale, all good things.
I remember the Enterprise-E: Looks like a fish. Moves like a fish. Steers like a cow.
Outstanding reference
I love Generations. It's my favorite Trek film. Of course, a lot of that is due to nostalgia and for the fact that it was the only Trek movie I had on VHS as a teenager, so I used to watch it fairly regularly. The lessons of not taking life for granted and making the most of each day is something that resonated a lot with me back then, and even moreso as an adult.
I laughed out loud at many points in this video, well done
When the biggest legacy of your feature film is the story-telling expression/trope "To drop a bridge on them".
Pat Tallman (Lyta in Bablyon5) has confirmed she was the stuntwomen for quite a few of the female cast in both TNG and DS9, including Crusher;s falling off the boat stunt and one of the Klingon Duras sisters here (can't remember which one).
According to an interview, Malcolm McDowell was supposed to show how the Elorians were stronger than Klingons by backhanding her and causing her to fly backwards over a console, but she was pregnant at the time of filming and they couldn't risk it, so they edited the scene down rather than find a different stuntwomen.
Sad that The Two Captains cooking show never took off.
This film had the potential to be something more. In an alternate timeline, Leonard Nimoy got his rewrite and ended up directing the film with noteworthy appearances by all original cast. The film would also have ended with an epilogue scene featuring Spock standing over Kirk’s grave, similar to William Shatner’s novel “Star Trek- The Return”. Sadly, this film is just a slab of Spam on a piece of dry toast.
Two great Star Trek Captains meet in an epic quest to punch Malcolm McDowell in the face on a rusty bridge. Pure, effin', GENIUS.
I think another major issue with this movie is that it's written too much "for the fans." One reason the TOS movies did so well in the 80s is that they weren't lore-heavy, and remained accessible to casual audiences. And Generations could, theoretically, have worked as a bridge to introduce more Star Trek casuals to the TNG era. I think that's what they hoped to do.
But instead, the movie is so deeply tied to the show's continuity that you basically need to have watched the show to understand all the plot elements in the film. Things like Data's emotion chip or the Duras Sisters go totally unexplained. It also doesn't do a particularly good job re-introducing the characters. The Holodeck scene would be baffling to someone who hadn't seen the show. The whole thing was written as though it were simply Season 8 of TNG, with no regard for trying to connect with a larger audience.
GOOD! The problem with the original series films, apart from the first, is that they were massively dumbed down to try and gain profit from a general audience at the expense of the audience who had supported the series for a decade or more. If you have millions of viewers built in why alienate them to attract a few more? This is especially true of the Jar Jar Abrams Kelvin atrocity!
I thought Data pushing Crusher overboard was hilarious.
The most action Doctor Bev got all film.
The clown can stay. But the Ferengi in the gorilla suit has got to go. 😂
Of all the Star Trek films… Generations is certainly one of them lol
Star Trek Generation is based an idea so simple it's not even worth thinking about. It's bit of a problem for a movie and it'd even be a problem for the TV show.
You want Kirk then put Kirk in from the start and explain it later. It doesn't have to be time travel, it doesn't have to be Q, it doesn't have to be a "transport malfunction"... for a tested process, that sure goes wrong often. It does however have to be interesting enough for involving Captain Kirk and the Nexus just doesn't cut it.
Also... I think Kirk should be the villain while remaining Kirk. I mean, he was right in his time but now he's the villain, his thinking and attitudes make him the villain. You know, Generations.
I wonder if the crash of the Enterprise -D was inspired by the Scorpio crash in the final episode of Blakes 7.
Nice one. Cheers. Yup, this one felt like another instalment of the TV show. The ending was reminiscent of the Vasquez Rocks episode, as though a short drive from the studio would be adequate for the job of portraying an alien world. Special Guest Star of the week, along with a few cameos thrown-in for good measure. And that damn Data story which got old fast. Was it terrible? No, not really. Was it Cinematic, sweeping and special? Not at all. Did we enjoy it? Well, it had its moments I suppose. Frankly, I had forgotten that Kirk died at the end. Ho-hum.
So harsh, this is my favourite Star Trek film after the Wrath of Khan/Search for Spock. Lots of flaws but so much more to love.
Thank God!!!! Need some fun!
The most unsettling thing with this film is that technology still has not advanced enough to restore Pickard's baldness.
Any part of this film with Shatner is a joy. The rest is depressing bunk.
Muchly goodlierizated!
I have the exact same opinion about "Unification". Interesting, but why? A lot of it didn't make sense, but the effects are really improving.
I laughed every time I saw Beverly Crusher.
A movie that very much doesn't know what it wants to be or wants to do. But I just can't hate it. The people who say it disrespects Captain Kirk, well, I think the opposite. Kirk is the one thing that consistently works in the movie. Shatner lights up the screen when he's on it and lifts some pretty mediocre material, and his death in my view is pretty good: he gets to throw a very punches, jump across some rocks one more time, and selflessly gives his life to stop a madman from destroying an entire pre-Warp civilization. That's heroism. It's completely something Captain Kirk would do. Is the movie perfect? Of course not. Far from it. But a lot of the criticisms leveled at it are a bit overstated.
I can imagine the shape of the enterprise E
Tom Paris is a duck.
Thanks for this video.
1:35 🤯😅🤣😅🤣😅 ❤
I’m sure I’ve seen this film. But probably seen more UA-cam videos talking about it more times than I have the film. Can’t remember which came first
I know Stewart is a Shakespearian level actor, but I think he's a ham, and watching him and Shatner trying serious acting in ST is utterly hilarious.
Having watched, from the second row, Sir Patrick Stewart and Sir Ian McKellen perform 'Waiting for Godot' at the Theatre Royal Haymarket I can reassure you that neither are hams. Both are superb actors.
I actually liked this movie - Data's emotional crisis is by far the worst part, imho
Damn, 5 minutes out, and still not first
Generations is not a "middling" movie. It's an awful movie. It's the Star Trek version of Rise of Skywalker, only even worse. An 'everything but the kitchen sink' plot that falls apart if you think about for half a second because the opening scene establishes that Sauron could just fly into the nexus no problem and he knows that. The way time travel is used is just as nonsensical and unexplained as "somehow Palpatine returned." And the ways it killed off both Kirk and the Enterprise D were so mind-bogglingly stupid and poorly written it's astounding Paramount could let them happen that way. The scene where the Enterprise crashes is pretty cool, but that's the only redeeming quality in the entire movie.
Star Trek 5 at least has the 1 good scene with McCoy's father and Nemesis has a decent though not as good as it should have been final battle. Generations has nothing but crap from start to finish besides for a few seconds of the Enterprise crashing.
6:03 Now how would Stam Fine know that?
One of the worst.
Star Trek - Project Plothole
Why do the fan film with Kirk and Spock's death? You just spent 20 minutes explaining why.
I like Unification as it is. A fanfilm indulgence. A one time thing.
If pee plus tried to do something like that, they'd screw it up.
Terrible film.
I have notes....
Only good thing good about it was the score. Anything by rdmoore is trash.