Time for everyone else to hear the truth about what really happened in the bunker. Blodreina took all of the blame for everything that happened, while she was taking advice from people like Gaia, Indra, Jaha, Kane, and Abby. She's not a monster. She's a leader.
Eva Fleury she’s not a monster. She’s not a leader. She’s a power hungry dictator. Advisors are just that, ADVISORS. The person who executes decisions is the person in power, Octavia. Let’s not forget, her “one-crew” idiocy. Her “advisors” told her that the bunker couldn’t withstand a population that large. She didn’t listen then, now when there’s a crisis she listens to her “advisors”. Not to mention she threw out educated technicians and engineers for savages ( as you can see later in season 5, when anarchy broke out, it wasn’t sky crew who was causing a ruckus it was the grounders, surprise surprise.) the tipping point was when she brunt down Monty’s food supply. This girl is wack. She’s not a leader, she’s a moron. Anyone of them could’ve done what she’d done. She was just hungry for power.
@@xxdavexx23 I don't agree. Her '"one-crew"idiocy' was necessary to unite the clans in the bunker. Otherwise they would have slaughtered each other, as they almost did. And she followed Clarke her list when picking people to stay in the bunker. Clarke made a rational list, including necessary people, like technicians etc. Besides, if I remember correct, she didn't allow to much people in the bunker, the dark year happened because of problems with the farm. In the flashback (about the dark year) you see that Octavia is still okay. But that year, and the things she had to do to make sure the human race survived, broke her. Being somewhat forced to be a leader broke her. Made her power hungry, as Diyoza said in the last episode of season 5. So burning down Monty's food supply was wrong, but she sees her mistakes now. And I understand what she did and why.
aHungryPig Did you not watch the show? There was NO need to unite the clans because she won the conclave. Anyways, it’s poor writing, she fought representing “sky-crew” in reality someone like Kane would’ve been making the calls. Clarke made a list including 100 people doesn’t mean it included ALL essential personal. Not to mention that the arc was much smaller and did not need the maintenance the bunker needed. You remembered wrong, because she filled the bunker to its maximum capacity making it sustainable for only 5 years which is why they were running out of food. Not to mention, she threw out engineers and technicians for blood thirsty warriors because that’s what you need, blood thirsty warriors in a crammed isolated space. You even see it in the season when the bunker broke out into anarchy, it looked like the zombie apocalypse inside the bunker while an actual apocalypse is happening. No wonder they had problems with the farm, when you throw out your educated for warriors you’re gonna get the fighting pits. On top of that, she only understood her mistakes because she lost. There was no logical reason for her to burn down the Monty’s farm so I don’t understand what you “understand” about her motives. She could’ve had two options, stay there, use the farm avoid war or feed her people, rest up before she leads them into the field for battle. Shocker, she burns down the farm, leaving her people starving, then leads them into a direct frontal assault to get slaughter. It’s almost laughable how bad of a leader she is. Then she has episodes because she’s “traumatized”.
@@xxdavexx23 There was a rivalry between the clans, especially against Skaikru. When a part of Skaikru locked themselves with the farm, all of the Skaikru were targeted. Thus Octavia attacking the grounders outside the farm and starting with Wonkru. I still believe that there were technicians and such left, they just look like the rest (look at Miller for example), but I guess we will never know. Five years should have been enough, the earth would be survivable by then. Make sense to save as many people as you can. But I have to agree on certain points with you. I'm a bit biased, as Octavia is one of my favorite characters. It's more like I understand where she is coming from (but I was screaming at her to make other choices though). She was broken when Lincoln was killed and never healed. Putting (and keeping, thanks to her ‘advisors’) her in charge, in combination with all the shit that happened, was never a good idea. She is obviously not mentally okay. The ‘advisors’ (adults!) around her let her have the power, even when they knew she didn’t want it (she said so to Jaha) and couldn’t handle it. What Eva Fleury said, she is not the only one to blame.
I was actually rooting for Octavia when she won the conclave. I thought she'd make a better leader than Clarke. But in season 5 I think she lost it. Literally went crazy. She risked all of their lives because she didn't want to "lose". That isn't good leadership. Good leadership is knowing when to surrender and when to fight. She tried to fight an impossible war, and risked her people's lives. But it still didn't make her a monster. She became a monster because she wasn't sorry for what she had done. She literally took no blame of what happened in the bunker, she blamed Kane and Abby for what happened, not herself. She isn't sorry.
No he didn't he floated their mother and they both brought that up in the past that they don't like or trust him because of that they worked with him cuz they had to
@Brandon Goodman the partnership was arranged just cuz Octavia was the best fighter and was closest to the grounders and bellamy was playing soldier for pike it wasnt for marcus and they both brought up how him and jaha floated their mom but octavia in jail 4 being born and b4 that she had to hid under the floor in fear her whole life
Thank god Octavia knows she isn't all to blame as she was stuck in that bunker at 17-23 years of age with adults pressuring her to make all these bad decisions and then blaming her about the consequences
Offloading all the blame? Hardly. Abby's drug addiction arc last season was BECAUSE she blamed herself for what happened in the bunker. There was a scene where Abby overdosed and woke up saying, "It was me," (referring to her suggestion of cannibalism) Octavia just can't admit it to herself that she was wrong and lost.
@@aethei8560 because she wasn't wrong. She wouldn't have anything to be remorseful for if every single person she cared about hadn't betrayed her. She had a good plan. Clarke ratted them out to protect herself. Abby cured the enemy, and Kane told them everything. He's a traitor and Abby is a psychotic addict. Clarke is always only looking out for herself, no matter who it hurts. It's BS that everyone hates Octavia. She saved the human race ffs.
@@aethei8560 but she never officially took any blame. She never told wonkru that it was also her fault and let them all hate Octavia only. She also wasn't the one shooting those people in the bunker, was she? No. She let Octavia burden it all alone and that made her the big fat wolf. If she had truly bettered herself, she would have admitted that it was her fault
Atleast octavia had an arc to where she acknowledges her bad choices and behavior but Clarke still even in the end doesn’t understand what she did was wrong and she’s not above consequences
That’s one thing I hated about Clarke. She always said she did it for her people and that she knows what she did but I saw that she didn’t understand the consequences that happened to other people. She cares for no other lives outside her people. As long as they are safe.
@@nol1891 wasn't Octavia basically doing more or less the same thing as Clarke when she said everything she did was for her people.....why this intense bias for one character
@@mikejake3136 Well A.) Octavia gets a redemption arc and comes to realize everything she did was wrong. Clarke’s philosophy mirrored grounder ethics heavily, especially in the last seasons which she had claimed to adamantly oppose. It’s so disappointing to me as a Clexa fan, as I feel it’s a slap in the face to Lexa, whom she told “blood must not have blood”, essentially that justice is not vengeance, that life should be about MORE than just survival… but that all went out the window when it came to HER people and HER child. She even said she’d do it all again. Smh..
@@on.periattt So Clarke didn't come to terms with her wrongdoings in season 6 nor admit she was no hero or a good guy in season 5 and that everyone had reasons for doing whatever they were doing because; we were both watching different shows somehow? Ok I get the Clarke slander and I get that Clarke isn't always righteous but saying that she doesn't come to terms with her flaws is a little too ridiculous.
Kane shouldn't have taken the side of Diyoza then McCreary. It's his fault that Wonkru was nearly wiped out in the gorge, and that the Earth was uninhabitable for the 3rd time. He got what he deserved.
Abby and Kane let cost is take the blame for everything. And when she said “you think your better than me Kane” the second time my heart broke a little. They acted so innocent.
I've always liked Kane but Octavia was a 100% right in what she said.And since the beginning of season 5 I could not stand Abby. She proved to be selfish and spineless,letting Octavia take all the blame when she pushed her to do what she did.
@@desislavapalikova4383 she did push her to do it... and that’s not the problem anyway, the problem is that afterwards she never took any responsibility for it and fully blamed octavia, and let her boyfriend do the same
After re-watching this again particularly season 5 I sympathise with Octavia. All the former Chancellors are responsible for the demon that rose in that bunker Jaha inspired enemy of wonkru situation , Abbey cannibalism & key being Kane to force it. Then Kane became a traitor. Season was full of betrayals I must say
Sorry but I agree with octavia Abby says she is sorry for what she did and octavia isn’t that’s bull crap Abby is weak and blames others for her mistakes and that Abby felt remorse that is bull cause she keeps making the same shitty mistakes again and again
You are very much correct. Abby is weak and in the last two seasons she became very hateful because she refused to admit her mistakes or try to be better.
bc abby had just as big of a role (maybe even bigger)than octavia when they all had to become cannibals but octavia took most of the heat & accountability for it. she did and would do anything so that wonkru could survive in that bunker, sadly she ended up losing her sanity.
The most hated ones are kane and Clark, why everybody blamed Octavia for the war while all the blame is on kane and Clark who betrayed them and told the enemy about the plan
Truth is that it was Abby's fault cause she was taking drugs and didn’t think well. Octavia was listened her cause she was afraid to be a leader but Abby broke her. Kane was good but I think after they came out from the bunker Octavia was doing what she wanted and burning farm was only her idea. Abby made Blodreina.
SHE WAS NOT A MONSTER NOT A DEVİL. SHE İS A LEADER, A WARRİOR, A SURVİVOR AND THE BEST CHARACHTER EVER. ABBY AND KANE LOOK AT YOUR OWN BLOODY HANDS AND REMEMBER YOUR BETRAYES BEFORE JUDGİNG OCTAVİA.
@@joshthaller4754Kane did. More than ANYONE in the show, Marcus Kane had an arc of constant self reflection. He was aware of his own mistakes far more than Octavia, Clarke, or anyone else, and also progressed as a character more than most.
belltavia i been saying that all along like octavia died when Lincoln died and to me that’s when bloodreina starting to come out a lil when she killed pike and idc how many people hated her in season 5 i didn’t i loved every minute of her
Kane is right here, yes he made mistakes, but he had best of intentions, he was right about trusting Diyoza, his mistake was trusting McCreary, Octavia did what had to be done at first, but she became lustful for power, burning down the farm was completely wrong.
She's right for some things but it became a slaughter because SHE BURNED THE FARM!! If she stayed peacefully in Polis everything would be okay and the planet wouldn't be destroyed AGAIN!
I think what Octavia did was a necessary thing to do in regards of Wonkru. It was harsh and brutal but it was the only way they all would of survived. Otherwise they were going to suffer even worse than they were going through. People are saying that she didn't feel anything or wasn't remorseful but she was indeed suffering. And leader can't think with their heart but rationally with their mind. She had to endure the merciless killing each time having to turn her heart to stone in order to get thing done even if it means her being a villian in people's eyes. The farm wasn't guaranteed to last for the long run and resources will be limited if it failed which will resort for them to return to the dark times although there more reliable resources out there. This was their chance to live bunker free and it could've been possible if there plan wasn't exposed. They had demonized Octavia making it look like it was a her fault, meanwhile, they were the same people putting those ideas in her head. I believe there was a scene where Indra admitted it was also their fault and they weren't really there for Octavia when she was making those calls and dealing with it on her own. Also, I think if it were Clarke making these decisions everyone would've been like it had to be done. I'm just saying....
,, I wonder what your friend Jaha would have said" I wonder what Lincoln would have said about Octavia killing people for nothing and letting her brother die...
Yes Abby might have pushed Octavia towards cannibalism, Octavia chose to wage war, to burn the farm, and to continue with cannibalism after the farm was back on track
@@ashtonmae9705 there was a chemical thing farm that could grow food, and she chose to destroy the farm and continue to make her people commit cannibalism. That seems like choosing cannabilism to me
if kane didn't betray wonkru, they wouldn't have all been killed?? if octavia didn't burn the farm and they all stayed there they likely would've died.
@@hdhdhedhdh986 no they wouldn't have died because they had the bunker which means a place to sleep and enough healthy food thanks to the farm. They would have survived
@@desislavapalikova4383 monty literally said it wud take years for the ground soil to be arable so once again they would have to rely on the farm for years which had failed them before and is what resulted in cannibalism in the first place. that's not really a stable safe situation to be in. also if they didn't march, mcreary would've come and killed them like he said he would do.
@@desislavapalikova4383 last time diyoza made a deal with them, she stole their doctor and they were attacked. just because we saw what diyoza is really like doesn't mean octavia knows too. octavia's only experience with her is what happened there + the missiles. And also let's just say octavia accepted the deal, mcreary would've still tried to gain control at some point and try to kill them.
I miss season 1-3 Octavia before she went dark and cold. I know they’ve all screwed up but at least the others have been more remorseful. I hope this season we will see more of the old Octavia from early seasons I miss because season 4 onwards Octavia I actually really dislike.
Sam J she did it for her fucking people. She saved 1200 of different clans to make it even. Pike killed her true love with help of Bellamy. The people she cared about hated her for shit those weak ass bitches advised her to do and she took all the blame. Octavia’s the best character alone with Lincoln
she DEFINITELY showed recourse. it just wasn’t until season 6 when you look closer into each scene she was in. she tried to cover it up with physical pain; when she let everyone hit her. it wasn’t until she was in the anomaly that we saw how truly broken she was from the whole thing
@@mariaserrano2953 she chose to follow advisors. Which you don't always have to follow. Above all, she could have said that the person who wants to survive and eat could and that it is allowed that the others who didn't want it, don't have to eat. Instead, she pressured everyone to do so. And a theory is different than practice. Cannibalism was a theory but of course many wouldn't if your kid, best friend, husband or wife is dead and you are eating them.
@@laklomp abby LITERALLY pressured her to make everyone a cannibal !! theres a scene about it and later on she admits it. abby sat down and let a kid kill people because if they all didnt eat then later on everyone would have died pretty quickly and the human race wouldn't survive. and then theres kane who was all the time saying that it was a sin and that they shouldn't do it (even though the human race would have died if they didn't). none of them really had a choice, it was to eat or to let everyone die
Kayn and abie and clarke are the reason octivia lost the war a 470 person died I was so happy for kayn death in this sceen Everything octivia/blodreina did had a reason Kayn is the worst
octavia is not good but kane is worse at least octavia owns up to what she did kane made a stupid choice that got his people killed he actually thought mcreary was better option then octavia his stupidity is the reason the valley got destroyed
But appropriate because of the pattern that for most of the show I identified with Octavia’s pattern. Can’t help that what has happened in the past has already happened. But it makes up part of my identity- the fact that me being a middle class, white, girl who never wanted a traditional female lifestyle was kind of treated inappropriately by those of the same background… also I have been helped more by those who are ‘dumpster fire 🔥 ‘ meaning ‘delinquents’… who the fuck gets to decide what is and isn’t appropriate? Oh and just because I am the type of women who doesn’t want to be a mother- that doesn’t make me bad- and whoever wants me to feel guilty about it- well you can stop your lording over those who are ‘inappropriate’ for being who they are because of their past! And yeah - sex isn’t always about procreation (propagation of the species! Although biologically it is the reason… still natural and still good to enjoy sex as long as it isn’t harmful to the person or people you have sex with! Seriously! And from now on the great ‘god’ laws are you aren’t supposed to put 2 people with incompatible sexual patterns or orientations together to prove how unfair the pre-decided courses of lives are! Seriously! Causing a bunch of unnecessary trauma is stupid ! *fiction reflects the past not the future! . Or it should !
Gosh ... I really couldn't stand Abby from the beginning. But till S5 i really HATED her, like I never hated a fictional charakter before! She should have died long before she did. I really got hate-kicks whenever I see Abby 😂😡😂 Marie ist just ... I haven't any words. She is just a queen!
Bis jetzt gefällt mit die neue Staffel nicht. Es geht genau so weider sie in der 5. Staffel. Steiten und diskutieren und nach 15min stirbt der Erste , der zweite folgt nach 25min. Und der beste Satz den ich vermisst habe kam auvh nach 20min. Ein typischer Ami Satz - Es tut mir leid- Ich kann es nicht mehr hören. Mal sehen was die ander Fogen so bringen. So far, I don't like the new season. It goes exactly the same way in season 5. Stepping and discussing and after 15 minutes the first dies, the second follows after 25 minutes. And the best sentence I missed came after 20 minutes. A typical Ami sentence - I'm sorry - I can no longer hear it. Let's see what the other fogen bring.
@@livm9306 Yes, but Octavia didn't take responsibility for hers. Everyone on the show have questionable morals, but at least they knew what they've done was bad. Octavia blames others for her choices and her actions. Hopefully she can redeem herself though.
@@jordyyybuff How so? She killed mercilessly in the bunker and literally condemned everyone when things didn't go her way. She's reckless, I mean, she threw her own brother into the pits. That's not taking responsibility. She only cares for those who are loyal to her, I'll give you that, but the second they do something that she doesn't agree with? She calls them traitors. (Kane and Abby for example) Yea.. that's still not taking responsibility for her actions, nor for her people. That's just Blodreina who is power hungry. Worse part? She isn't even sorry for what she had done.
Serdar Aksu your right instead she had to face the earth after praimfaya by herself for 6 years with her 12 year old daughter fighting for their lives just the same thing octavia was doing but at least octavia had the bunker, clarke and madi had a destroyed planet with nothing to eat for drink octavia had everything in the bunker she had indra who plays like a mother figure to her they both suffered from a lot of things trying to survive for 6 years so don’t go saying that what octavia went through is worse than what clarke went through bc it’s not
april lopez april lopez You first say they went through a lot but I cant say that Octavia has been through more... Why? Because you think Clarke has been through more. Ill admit, in season 6, Clarke suffered more. But in my opinion, in those 6 years, Octavia did. Opinions may differ, but I truly think that Octavia did. She didnt even want to lead in the first place, and she was not even that strict if you watched properly. Clarke may have been with a child only, with little food and water, but apparently they did have enough to survive, not to mention thrive. Because after those 6 years they looked pretty happy to me 🤷🏻♂️ until Diyoza and her crew landed on earth. Now let’s talk about Octavia, we saw that she had to kill people because of a rule she didn’t even want to apply, but they had no other choice cause humanity has to live on. Killing people is something easy to say, but you gotta realize how dramatic it is to shoot someone who is begging for mercy. And she did this over and over again, and you could see her struggle doing it. Im not even going to talk about the human flesh, cause I know that Clarke and Madi had better food no matter what. The problems and decisions Octavia had to face are much more mentally breaking than Clarke’s.
Tania Marcelli Clarke sacrifices hundreds of people for her friends. The bad guy here is Clarke and not Octavia. Lincoln and Octavia were better for eachother than the others, I love lexa but it’s the truth.
kool kid jocelyn Well I do understand what you mean but I wouldnt call Clarke ‘the bad guy’. Other than that I totally agree. Linctavia was the best of the best :(
Bis jetzt gefällt mit die neue Staffel nicht. Es geht genau so weider sie in der 5. Staffel. Steiten und diskutieren und nach 15min stirbt der Erste , der zweite folgt nach 25min. Und der beste Satz den ich vermisst habe kam auvh nach 20min. Ein typischer Ami Satz - Es tut mir leid- Ich kann es nicht mehr hören. Mal sehen was die ander Fogen so bringen. So far, I don't like the new season. It goes exactly the same way in season 5. Stepping and discussing and after 15 minutes the first dies, the second follows after 25 minutes. And the best sentence I missed came after 20 minutes. A typical Ami sentence - I'm sorry - I can no longer hear it. Let's see what the other fogen bring.
Bis jetzt gefällt mit die neue Staffel nicht. Es geht genau so weider sie in der 5. Staffel. Steiten und diskutieren und nach 15min stirbt der Erste , der zweite folgt nach 25min. Und der beste Satz den ich vermisst habe kam auvh nach 20min. Ein typischer Ami Satz - Es tut mir leid- Ich kann es nicht mehr hören. Mal sehen was die ander Fogen so bringen. So far, I don't like the new season. It goes exactly the same way in season 5. Stepping and discussing and after 15 minutes the first dies, the second follows after 25 minutes. And the best sentence I missed came after 20 minutes. A typical Ami sentence - I'm sorry - I can no longer hear it. Let's see what the other fogen bring.
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Time for everyone else to hear the truth about what really happened in the bunker. Blodreina took all of the blame for everything that happened, while she was taking advice from people like Gaia, Indra, Jaha, Kane, and Abby. She's not a monster. She's a leader.
Eva Fleury she’s not a monster. She’s not a leader. She’s a power hungry dictator. Advisors are just that, ADVISORS. The person who executes decisions is the person in power, Octavia. Let’s not forget, her “one-crew” idiocy. Her “advisors” told her that the bunker couldn’t withstand a population that large. She didn’t listen then, now when there’s a crisis she listens to her “advisors”. Not to mention she threw out educated technicians and engineers for savages ( as you can see later in season 5, when anarchy broke out, it wasn’t sky crew who was causing a ruckus it was the grounders, surprise surprise.) the tipping point was when she brunt down Monty’s food supply. This girl is wack. She’s not a leader, she’s a moron. Anyone of them could’ve done what she’d done. She was just hungry for power.
@@xxdavexx23 I don't agree. Her '"one-crew"idiocy' was necessary to unite the clans in the bunker. Otherwise they would have slaughtered each other, as they almost did. And she followed Clarke her list when picking people to stay in the bunker. Clarke made a rational list, including necessary people, like technicians etc. Besides, if I remember correct, she didn't allow to much people in the bunker, the dark year happened because of problems with the farm.
In the flashback (about the dark year) you see that Octavia is still okay. But that year, and the things she had to do to make sure the human race survived, broke her. Being somewhat forced to be a leader broke her. Made her power hungry, as Diyoza said in the last episode of season 5. So burning down Monty's food supply was wrong, but she sees her mistakes now. And I understand what she did and why.
aHungryPig Did you not watch the show? There was NO need to unite the clans because she won the conclave. Anyways, it’s poor writing, she fought representing “sky-crew” in reality someone like Kane would’ve been making the calls. Clarke made a list including 100 people doesn’t mean it included ALL essential personal. Not to mention that the arc was much smaller and did not need the maintenance the bunker needed. You remembered wrong, because she filled the bunker to its maximum capacity making it sustainable for only 5 years which is why they were running out of food. Not to mention, she threw out engineers and technicians for blood thirsty warriors because that’s what you need, blood thirsty warriors in a crammed isolated space. You even see it in the season when the bunker broke out into anarchy, it looked like the zombie apocalypse inside the bunker while an actual apocalypse is happening. No wonder they had problems with the farm, when you throw out your educated for warriors you’re gonna get the fighting pits. On top of that, she only understood her mistakes because she lost. There was no logical reason for her to burn down the Monty’s farm so I don’t understand what you “understand” about her motives. She could’ve had two options, stay there, use the farm avoid war or feed her people, rest up before she leads them into the field for battle. Shocker, she burns down the farm, leaving her people starving, then leads them into a direct frontal assault to get slaughter. It’s almost laughable how bad of a leader she is. Then she has episodes because she’s “traumatized”.
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There was a rivalry between the clans, especially against Skaikru. When a part of Skaikru locked themselves with the farm, all of the Skaikru were targeted. Thus Octavia attacking the grounders outside the farm and starting with Wonkru. I still believe that there were technicians and such left, they just look like the rest (look at Miller for example), but I guess we will never know.
Five years should have been enough, the earth would be survivable by then. Make sense to save as many people as you can.
But I have to agree on certain points with you. I'm a bit biased, as Octavia is one of my favorite characters. It's more like I understand where she is coming from (but I was screaming at her to make other choices though). She was broken when Lincoln was killed and never healed. Putting (and keeping, thanks to her ‘advisors’) her in charge, in combination with all the shit that happened, was never a good idea. She is obviously not mentally okay. The ‘advisors’ (adults!) around her let her have the power, even when they knew she didn’t want it (she said so to Jaha) and couldn’t handle it. What Eva Fleury said, she is not the only one to blame.
I was actually rooting for Octavia when she won the conclave. I thought she'd make a better leader than Clarke. But in season 5 I think she lost it. Literally went crazy. She risked all of their lives because she didn't want to "lose". That isn't good leadership. Good leadership is knowing when to surrender and when to fight. She tried to fight an impossible war, and risked her people's lives. But it still didn't make her a monster. She became a monster because she wasn't sorry for what she had done. She literally took no blame of what happened in the bunker, she blamed Kane and Abby for what happened, not herself. She isn't sorry.
This is so sad. Kane used to have such a good bond with the blakes
No he didn't he floated their mother and they both brought that up in the past that they don't like or trust him because of that they worked with him cuz they had to
@Brandon Goodman the partnership was arranged just cuz Octavia was the best fighter and was closest to the grounders and bellamy was playing soldier for pike it wasnt for marcus and they both brought up how him and jaha floated their mom but octavia in jail 4 being born and b4 that she had to hid under the floor in fear her whole life
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@@efilymkcuf1429 bruhh All of that was in the past. Have u forgot about s3 and s4. Kane was like father figure to both of them in those seasons.
Its not his fault. And he kinda is a Blake, Marcus is Octavia's father.
The pain in her voice "and then you ran, became a traitor"
She WAS lost, but instead of helping her realize it they betrayed her.
She was so beyond help at that point.
@@samuelhaile148 nop
@@tat._7384 they tried many times. Like Kane said she burned the farm and wasn't listening to reason. Two snakes, eden never stood a chance
Thank god Octavia knows she isn't all to blame as she was stuck in that bunker at 17-23 years of age with adults pressuring her to make all these bad decisions and then blaming her about the consequences
I think it's more about the after the six years
The power of Octavia in this scene ugh beautiful. Chills every time
Octavia is 100% right. Kane and Abby offloading all the blame
Offloading all the blame? Hardly. Abby's drug addiction arc last season was BECAUSE she blamed herself for what happened in the bunker. There was a scene where Abby overdosed and woke up saying, "It was me," (referring to her suggestion of cannibalism) Octavia just can't admit it to herself that she was wrong and lost.
@@aethei8560 because she wasn't wrong. She wouldn't have anything to be remorseful for if every single person she cared about hadn't betrayed her. She had a good plan. Clarke ratted them out to protect herself. Abby cured the enemy, and Kane told them everything. He's a traitor and Abby is a psychotic addict. Clarke is always only looking out for herself, no matter who it hurts. It's BS that everyone hates Octavia. She saved the human race ffs.
floraocynxx EXACTLY
@@aethei8560 but she never officially took any blame. She never told wonkru that it was also her fault and let them all hate Octavia only. She also wasn't the one shooting those people in the bunker, was she? No. She let Octavia burden it all alone and that made her the big fat wolf. If she had truly bettered herself, she would have admitted that it was her fault
You are correct
Marie’s acting here is so spot. She carried the shit out of this show
Atleast octavia had an arc to where she acknowledges her bad choices and behavior but Clarke still even in the end doesn’t understand what she did was wrong and she’s not above consequences
That’s one thing I hated about Clarke. She always said she did it for her people and that she knows what she did but I saw that she didn’t understand the consequences that happened to other people. She cares for no other lives outside her people. As long as they are safe.
So basically season 6 clarke doesn't exist to you people?
@@nol1891 wasn't Octavia basically doing more or less the same thing as Clarke when she said everything she did was for her people.....why this intense bias for one character
@@mikejake3136 Well A.) Octavia gets a redemption arc and comes to realize everything she did was wrong. Clarke’s philosophy mirrored grounder ethics heavily, especially in the last seasons which she had claimed to adamantly oppose. It’s so disappointing to me as a Clexa fan, as I feel it’s a slap in the face to Lexa, whom she told “blood must not have blood”, essentially that justice is not vengeance, that life should be about MORE than just survival… but that all went out the window when it came to HER people and HER child. She even said she’d do it all again. Smh..
@@on.periattt So Clarke didn't come to terms with her wrongdoings in season 6 nor admit she was no hero or a good guy in season 5 and that everyone had reasons for doing whatever they were doing because; we were both watching different shows somehow? Ok I get the Clarke slander and I get that Clarke isn't always righteous but saying that she doesn't come to terms with her flaws is a little too ridiculous.
but let's all not forget what made her this way
Akira Mason Mason yep
It’s sad that this was their last words to each other
very sad
I KNOW RIGHT😭
Kane shouldn't have taken the side of Diyoza then McCreary. It's his fault that Wonkru was nearly wiped out in the gorge, and that the Earth was uninhabitable for the 3rd time. He got what he deserved.
Omg- I never realized that😖
Abby and Kane let cost is take the blame for everything. And when she said “you think your better than me Kane” the second time my heart broke a little. They acted so innocent.
I find it weird how no one in the show even knows that kane is dead except indra and raven like everyone just forgets that he existed
Yoooo Fr. No one even acknowledge it
They had a lot of troubles, and they dont have to show this little details in the serie
Little details along with talking to people who were alive when the world first ended to be I sure would have lots of questions and be in aww
Well Kane and Diyoza betrayed Spacekru by siding with McCreary. Turns out McCreary didnt kept his end of the deal
OMG im rewatching the 100 rn and kane said the exact thing to jaha that octavia said to kane “ you’re too weak to do what has to be done” HAHAHA wow
Octavia literally saved his life in the previous episode and now what...
I've always liked Kane but Octavia was a 100% right in what she said.And since the beginning of season 5 I could not stand Abby. She proved to be selfish and spineless,letting Octavia take all the blame when she pushed her to do what she did.
She didn't push Octavia to do it besides, THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE
@@desislavapalikova4383 she did push her to do it... and that’s not the problem anyway, the problem is that afterwards she never took any responsibility for it and fully blamed octavia, and let her boyfriend do the same
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Sure, so why does everything fall on Octavia? How are they able to blame her and not take responsibility themselves?
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Khan was a fool to trust the prisoners over Octavia, he wanted payback and Abby was indeed a selfish B word
After re-watching this again particularly season 5 I sympathise with Octavia. All the former Chancellors are responsible for the demon that rose in that bunker Jaha inspired enemy of wonkru situation , Abbey cannibalism & key being Kane to force it. Then Kane became a traitor. Season was full of betrayals I must say
Sorry but I agree with octavia Abby says she is sorry for what she did and octavia isn’t that’s bull crap Abby is weak and blames others for her mistakes and that Abby felt remorse that is bull cause she keeps making the same shitty mistakes again and again
i agree
You are very much correct. Abby is weak and in the last two seasons she became very hateful because she refused to admit her mistakes or try to be better.
Mistakes like???
When Abby screams Nilyah the second time, its like you can hear the pain in her voice 😭
WesternNorwayGuy fuck them dude Octavia’s the only one
she sounded like catelyn stark in the red wedding
@@anddyxs So accurate
"ThE CanNiBaL DoCtOr" she wasn't the only cannibal....
she said that cus it was her idea
bc abby had just as big of a role (maybe even bigger)than octavia when they all had to become cannibals but octavia took most of the heat & accountability for it. she did and would do anything so that wonkru could survive in that bunker, sadly she ended up losing her sanity.
Am I a monster?
Yes I am
i loved that scene
(also if you want to learn trig, dm me on instagram! we have a memrise course to learn it and i give one on one lessons!) ❤️
“lit rally killed him with her words luv”
it´s the best line
She roasted them.
The most hated ones are kane and Clark, why everybody blamed Octavia for the war while all the blame is on kane and Clark who betrayed them and told the enemy about the plan
Octavia could do anything...
I'd still love her.
Truth is that it was Abby's fault cause she was taking drugs and didn’t think well. Octavia was listened her cause she was afraid to be a leader but Abby broke her. Kane was good but I think after they came out from the bunker Octavia was doing what she wanted and burning farm was only her idea. Abby made Blodreina.
The only scene that would make this better is if Raven was her to witness the tea and Stan Octavia💯💯💯
SHE WAS NOT A MONSTER NOT A DEVİL. SHE İS A LEADER, A WARRİOR, A SURVİVOR AND THE BEST CHARACHTER EVER. ABBY AND KANE LOOK AT YOUR OWN BLOODY HANDS AND REMEMBER YOUR BETRAYES BEFORE JUDGİNG OCTAVİA.
You are correct on all accounts
At least Clarke was the only one who admitted she wasn't a hero and didn't guilt trip anyone for her mistakes unlike Kane and Abby
They should look at their own mistakes
@@joshthaller4754Kane did. More than ANYONE in the show, Marcus Kane had an arc of constant self reflection. He was aware of his own mistakes far more than Octavia, Clarke, or anyone else, and also progressed as a character more than most.
octavia is not octavia anymore.. since lincoln died :(
i know :( i miss them so much! them and their trigedasleng convos
belltavia i been saying that all along like octavia died when Lincoln died and to me that’s when bloodreina starting to come out a lil when she killed pike and idc how many people hated her in season 5 i didn’t i loved every minute of her
But her priorities stayed the same. She just realized the inevitable that not everything can be done through compassion.
no this is real Octavia
Nop, she's better 💅🏼💅🏼💅🏼
As much as octavia is right she was very power hungry in season 5
I don't think that she is denying that she just saying that she had help she wasn't the only one
O's hair still manages to look flawless ❤
That's the shocker
I love octavia
They were still mad at each other after 235 years 😑
Technically what in actuality is 200 years for them, has been nothing but mere moments.
Kane is right here, yes he made mistakes, but he had best of intentions, he was right about trusting Diyoza, his mistake was trusting McCreary, Octavia did what had to be done at first, but she became lustful for power, burning down the farm was completely wrong.
I love the blood spitting outta his mouth. All of these actors gave this shoe their all.
6x01 was the most brilliant episode.
she stepped on set mad as hell
Octavia is so pretty
warrior goddess
She's right
she deserves better! (also if you want to learn trig, dm me on instagram! we have a memrise course to learn it and i give one on one lessons!) ❤️
@Brandon Goodman bruh
She's right for some things but it became a slaughter because SHE BURNED THE FARM!! If she stayed peacefully in Polis everything would be okay and the planet wouldn't be destroyed AGAIN!
Both are right.
I think what Octavia did was a necessary thing to do in regards of Wonkru. It was harsh and brutal but it was the only way they all would of survived. Otherwise they were going to suffer even worse than they were going through. People are saying that she didn't feel anything or wasn't remorseful but she was indeed suffering. And leader can't think with their heart but rationally with their mind. She had to endure the merciless killing each time having to turn her heart to stone in order to get thing done even if it means her being a villian in people's eyes. The farm wasn't guaranteed to last for the long run and resources will be limited if it failed which will resort for them to return to the dark times although there more reliable resources out there. This was their chance to live bunker free and it could've been possible if there plan wasn't exposed. They had demonized Octavia making it look like it was a her fault, meanwhile, they were the same people putting those ideas in her head. I believe there was a scene where Indra admitted it was also their fault and they weren't really there for Octavia when she was making those calls and dealing with it on her own. Also, I think if it were Clarke making these decisions everyone would've been like it had to be done. I'm just saying....
my fav scene
Octavia is full of herself, she should have never burned down the farm, Power went to her head
,, I wonder what your friend Jaha would have said"
I wonder what Lincoln would have said about Octavia killing people for nothing and letting her brother die...
I'm sure she knows. That's pretty much why she went down that dark path to begin with. Lincoln wasn't there to help her back on track.
Yes Abby might have pushed Octavia towards cannibalism, Octavia chose to wage war, to burn the farm, and to continue with cannibalism after the farm was back on track
she didn't continue with cannibalism after it was back on track where did u get that from?😭
@@hdhdhedhdh986 well she kinda did chose cannibalism over the farm
@@rasberrywitch that doesn't make any sense....when did she chose cannibalism again🤨
@@ashtonmae9705 there was a chemical thing farm that could grow food, and she chose to destroy the farm and continue to make her people commit cannibalism. That seems like choosing cannabilism to me
@@rasberrywitch what ?🤨....that doesn't make any sense.
If Octavia didn't burn the farm it would be better!!!!
if kane didn't betray wonkru, they wouldn't have all been killed?? if octavia didn't burn the farm and they all stayed there they likely would've died.
@@hdhdhedhdh986 no they wouldn't have died because they had the bunker which means a place to sleep and enough healthy food thanks to the farm. They would have survived
@@desislavapalikova4383 monty literally said it wud take years for the ground soil to be arable so once again they would have to rely on the farm for years which had failed them before and is what resulted in cannibalism in the first place. that's not really a stable safe situation to be in. also if they didn't march, mcreary would've come and killed them like he said he would do.
@@hdhdhedhdh986 diyoza was in charge at that time and said clearly she just wanted peace
@@desislavapalikova4383 last time diyoza made a deal with them, she stole their doctor and they were attacked. just because we saw what diyoza is really like doesn't mean octavia knows too. octavia's only experience with her is what happened there + the missiles. And also let's just say octavia accepted the deal, mcreary would've still tried to gain control at some point and try to kill them.
now look at who's dead and who saved the human race again 😘
I don't quite understand Octavia, did she save the lives of Marco and Abby to cause their death now? She used Marcus to take Abby and save Gaia.
Why in netflix have only 5 seasons? Please answer me?
Its cool i know every word lol
I miss season 1-3 Octavia before she went dark and cold. I know they’ve all screwed up but at least the others have been more remorseful. I hope this season we will see more of the old Octavia from early seasons I miss because season 4 onwards Octavia I actually really dislike.
Sam J she did it for her fucking people. She saved 1200 of different clans to make it even. Pike killed her true love with help of Bellamy. The people she cared about hated her for shit those weak ass bitches advised her to do and she took all the blame. Octavia’s the best character alone with Lincoln
she DEFINITELY showed recourse. it just wasn’t until season 6 when you look closer into each scene she was in. she tried to cover it up with physical pain; when she let everyone hit her. it wasn’t until she was in the anomaly that we saw how truly broken she was from the whole thing
@@mariaserrano2953 she chose to follow advisors. Which you don't always have to follow. Above all, she could have said that the person who wants to survive and eat could and that it is allowed that the others who didn't want it, don't have to eat. Instead, she pressured everyone to do so. And a theory is different than practice. Cannibalism was a theory but of course many wouldn't if your kid, best friend, husband or wife is dead and you are eating them.
@@laklomp abby LITERALLY pressured her to make everyone a cannibal !! theres a scene about it and later on she admits it. abby sat down and let a kid kill people because if they all didnt eat then later on everyone would have died pretty quickly and the human race wouldn't survive. and then theres kane who was all the time saying that it was a sin and that they shouldn't do it (even though the human race would have died if they didn't). none of them really had a choice, it was to eat or to let everyone die
I hate how they’re arguing about the war when it was 125 FUCKING YEARS AGO.
Well they were in cryosleep
Ok wrong that I liked the romance between this doctor and the leader of the space ship… ‘good’
‘ ‘ sarcasm
Pattern
Love this scene
Where can i watch season 6&7? Its not available in netflix 😔
The cw
Kayn and abie and clarke are the reason octivia lost the war a 470 person died
I was so happy for kayn death in this sceen
Everything octivia/blodreina did had a reason
Kayn is the worst
I am so happy that I found a comment described excatly what I wanted to say
octavia is not good but kane is worse at least octavia owns up to what she did kane made a stupid choice that got his people killed he actually thought mcreary was better option then octavia his stupidity is the reason the valley got destroyed
Octavia has got worse so sad
But appropriate because of the pattern that for most of the show I identified with Octavia’s pattern. Can’t help that what has happened in the past has already happened. But it makes up part of my identity- the fact that me being a middle class, white, girl who never wanted a traditional female lifestyle was kind of treated inappropriately by those of the same background… also I have been helped more by those who are ‘dumpster fire 🔥 ‘ meaning ‘delinquents’… who the fuck gets to decide what is and isn’t appropriate? Oh and just because I am the type of women who doesn’t want to be a mother- that doesn’t make me bad- and whoever wants me to feel guilty about it- well you can stop your lording over those who are ‘inappropriate’ for being who they are because of their past! And yeah - sex isn’t always about procreation (propagation of the species! Although biologically it is the reason… still natural and still good to enjoy sex as long as it isn’t harmful to the person or people you have sex with! Seriously! And from now on the great ‘god’ laws are you aren’t supposed to put 2 people with incompatible sexual patterns or orientations together to prove how unfair the pre-decided courses of lives are! Seriously! Causing a bunch of unnecessary trauma is stupid !
*fiction reflects the past not the future! . Or it should !
Gosh ... I really couldn't stand Abby from the beginning. But till S5 i really HATED her, like I never hated a fictional charakter before! She should have died long before she did. I really got hate-kicks whenever I see Abby 😂😡😂 Marie ist just ... I haven't any words. She is just a queen!
Bis jetzt gefällt mit die neue Staffel nicht. Es geht genau so weider
sie in der 5. Staffel. Steiten und diskutieren und nach 15min stirbt der
Erste , der zweite folgt nach 25min. Und der beste Satz den ich
vermisst habe kam auvh nach 20min. Ein typischer Ami Satz - Es tut mir
leid- Ich kann es nicht mehr hören. Mal sehen was die ander Fogen so
bringen.
So far, I don't like the new season. It goes exactly the same way in
season 5. Stepping and discussing and after 15 minutes the first dies,
the second follows after 25 minutes. And the best sentence I missed came
after 20 minutes. A typical Ami sentence - I'm sorry - I can no longer
hear it. Let's see what the other fogen bring.
I can't stand her, she doomed hundreds of people to death by burning the hydrofarm and she thinks she can criticize others on their bad decisions?
Kane killed hundreds on the ark
Clarke and bellamy killed hundreds
Raven and jasper killed hundreds
Maybe they’re all monsters
@@livm9306 Yes, but Octavia didn't take responsibility for hers. Everyone on the show have questionable morals, but at least they knew what they've done was bad. Octavia blames others for her choices and her actions. Hopefully she can redeem herself though.
That farm wasn't guaranteed survival if it had another fungus out break like the first time they still would have had to resorted to cannibalism
floraocynxx octavia is the only one on this show who does take responsibility, what are you on about...
@@jordyyybuff How so? She killed mercilessly in the bunker and literally condemned everyone when things didn't go her way. She's reckless, I mean, she threw her own brother into the pits. That's not taking responsibility. She only cares for those who are loyal to her, I'll give you that, but the second they do something that she doesn't agree with? She calls them traitors. (Kane and Abby for example) Yea.. that's still not taking responsibility for her actions, nor for her people. That's just Blodreina who is power hungry. Worse part? She isn't even sorry for what she had done.
I Know she suffered for Lincoln, but Lexa died and Clarke didn't become this way
Tania Marcelli Clarke didn’t have to lead 1200 all of a sudden while she didn’t even want it and then had to be a cannibal on top
Serdar Aksu your right instead she had to face the earth after praimfaya by herself for 6 years with her 12 year old daughter fighting for their lives just the same thing octavia was doing but at least octavia had the bunker, clarke and madi had a destroyed planet with nothing to eat for drink octavia had everything in the bunker she had indra who plays like a mother figure to her they both suffered from a lot of things trying to survive for 6 years so don’t go saying that what octavia went through is worse than what clarke went through bc it’s not
april lopez april lopez You first say they went through a lot but I cant say that Octavia has been through more... Why? Because you think Clarke has been through more. Ill admit, in season 6, Clarke suffered more. But in my opinion, in those 6 years, Octavia did. Opinions may differ, but I truly think that Octavia did. She didnt even want to lead in the first place, and she was not even that strict if you watched properly. Clarke may have been with a child only, with little food and water, but apparently they did have enough to survive, not to mention thrive. Because after those 6 years they looked pretty happy to me 🤷🏻♂️ until Diyoza and her crew landed on earth. Now let’s talk about Octavia, we saw that she had to kill people because of a rule she didn’t even want to apply, but they had no other choice cause humanity has to live on. Killing people is something easy to say, but you gotta realize how dramatic it is to shoot someone who is begging for mercy. And she did this over and over again, and you could see her struggle doing it. Im not even going to talk about the human flesh, cause I know that Clarke and Madi had better food no matter what. The problems and decisions Octavia had to face are much more mentally breaking than Clarke’s.
Tania Marcelli Clarke sacrifices hundreds of people for her friends. The bad guy here is Clarke and not Octavia. Lincoln and Octavia were better for eachother than the others, I love lexa but it’s the truth.
kool kid jocelyn Well I do understand what you mean but I wouldnt call Clarke ‘the bad guy’. Other than that I totally agree. Linctavia was the best of the best :(
Bis jetzt gefällt mit die neue Staffel nicht. Es geht genau so weider
sie in der 5. Staffel. Steiten und diskutieren und nach 15min stirbt der
Erste , der zweite folgt nach 25min. Und der beste Satz den ich
vermisst habe kam auvh nach 20min. Ein typischer Ami Satz - Es tut mir
leid- Ich kann es nicht mehr hören. Mal sehen was die ander Fogen so
bringen.
So far, I don't like the new season. It goes exactly the same way in
season 5. Stepping and discussing and after 15 minutes the first dies,
the second follows after 25 minutes. And the best sentence I missed came
after 20 minutes. A typical Ami sentence - I'm sorry - I can no longer
hear it. Let's see what the other fogen bring.
Bis jetzt gefällt mit die neue Staffel nicht. Es geht genau so weider
sie in der 5. Staffel. Steiten und diskutieren und nach 15min stirbt der
Erste , der zweite folgt nach 25min. Und der beste Satz den ich
vermisst habe kam auvh nach 20min. Ein typischer Ami Satz - Es tut mir
leid- Ich kann es nicht mehr hören. Mal sehen was die ander Fogen so
bringen.
So far, I don't like the new season. It goes exactly the same way in
season 5. Stepping and discussing and after 15 minutes the first dies,
the second follows after 25 minutes. And the best sentence I missed came
after 20 minutes. A typical Ami sentence - I'm sorry - I can no longer
hear it. Let's see what the other fogen bring.