They had so much time to come up with something up to par with the competition, and this is what they come up with. I honestly don’t know where this brand will be in the next few years
iRobot - just adopt LiDAR already. Taking over an hour to create a map and smashing into walls and furniture because "that's how it navigates lols" is absolutely ridiculous in 2024. /Rant over
I am very confused, both systems work. Both have their problems, LiDar isn’t perfect. VSLAM (camera) has been implemented by iRobot and is also an important part of other robotic developments on their side. Just like Tesla sticks with cameras. As long as it works it’s fine.
I mean I know people are still angry at this robot but hey. They are going in the right direction but very slowly. Let’s just give them 1009 more years for them to add a lidar
Thank you so much for your excellent video. It is really exciting to see it work and the technology is pretty cool I would love to get one of these one of these days, and your video just verified that for me. I did not know what to expect. Thanks again for the thorough explanation and details.😊
One really wonders where the money is going, irobot has (or used to have up until last year) a ton of money invested on R&D and yet their tech is sooo behind. I get why people like the company, they have good support and warranty claims are typically handled with ease but those prices and features are ridiculous. They were able to get away with the iconic roomba name (and probably still do), but their stock and sales performance speaks volumes about the companies future.
In my personal opinion, iRobot is suffering with lots of corporate overhead. Spending money on desks and urinal cakes. In contrast, many of the new startup companies have little overhead and invest everything in technology.
A few things. Don’t heart every comment, I doubt you agree to everything everyone says. So don’t heart this. About LiDAR vs VSLAM or general visual navigation. Why do they keep VSLAM? Well, it’s already developed (a lot of money has gone into it and still is) and mainly because it’s being used in other places. Think about robotics in general (Dyson is also a good example). Or think about Tesla. The setup phase has not a lot to do with actually owning the vacuum for a long time. After I set the vacuum up, it’s done. It could take 5 hours, most don’t care, as long as it works afterwards it’s fine. And yeah, I agree and hope that the noise of the drying is just a production error. Maybe if they fix that it would be worth 1000$. Because again, as you said iRobot is great in the repairability departement, they have replacement parts all the way back to the 900 Series and even further back.
9:24 I feel like these were for bin full sensor, but they do cooperate with dirt detect, which I think this j series lineup uses camera more than sensing with those sensors. Fun fact: your Roomba is made in 15 June 2024 41:54 it's probably soaking the pad
@@JustADad can you maybe do a video on that? if you have time for it like testing the bots on each others docks and like doing a in-depth hands on comparison if that wasn’t clear i can explain more
This is a design nightmare compared to the line of qrevo roborock series Nice to know since running my i530 in 2012, they still scratch the shit out of themselves and run into everything just like 12 years ago. Who decided that horizontal loading of water/waste was a good idea? A tiny little pad for mopping-yuck. This doesn't seem like it will stand the test of time, and I'm a Roomba fan. I started with the i530 back in the day. No lidar. what a joke. 1400$ for this!?? My Master arrives tomorrow; Roomba is dead. I had a revo pro for a few days, and it never hit anything.
New robot- after mapping - all sacratch- looks like aleready few years.. home problably looks the same. Very bad water tanks design. Very poor mopping.. all robot ~2-3 yeras after competition
I agree with you why their camera system is really good. They really need to be implementing lidar with that. It would be a far superior robot vacuum but they are way behind with their app it is completely still outdated.
That dryer is a deal breaker. Was super excited for this, but I could not live with that for hours every day. Pretty sure even the neighbors would complain if I used that while I was at work.
@@Skull_CB_TV I thought about that. I would consider it, but I'm worried given the poorly ventilated position of the pad when it's in the dock, it might begin to develop mold if not properly dried.
Hard to get excited about that loud ass machine. Awful awful. They should just stop making stuff if they aren’t even going to try. Embarrassing. Good video though!
I don’t like this model it’s noisy and it bumps into things and it’s got jerky movements for the price iRobot charges it’s really bad I think I will rather use the j9+ combo instead And wait for next model maybe it will be better seriously for the price it’s unacceptable
for this price having such a flimsy mop pad is pretty sad. this cant really mop well. after watching this video, this price is a joke for this kinda garbage thing lol
As a robotic geek, I can say that lidar is an expensive and limited solution who has reached its technology limit. Vision is the future. Like the human eye, there is virtually no limit to what vision can do. (However, some, not all, cameras require light). Cameras and processing are cheap. This year, we will see vision surpass what lidar can do in automobiles. Lidar will be stuck in the past while vision continues into the future.
They did too much with this, too many things happening and too many chances for error and things to diagnose and fix. They should have just added lidar and corner sweeping brush on the left side and rollers for mopping.
This thing is comical, looks like it's straight out of 2021. For $1400 this is comically outdated, from it just smash head first into anything in front, to the tiny water tanks and dust bin, strange navigation quirks, and all the strange cheap-sounding noises the dock makes. This is such a half assed attempt at a premium vacuum, looks like iRobot hastily threw this together just to have *something* in this category. Feels like they're just banking on people buying a Roomba based off brand recognition, but I doubt that'll last long at all.
That bumper will soon put black streaks and damage all over your furniture legs, walls, etc...I am shock it's 2024 and Roomba still chose outdated tech.
Because it HAS to raise it's mopping pad - probably just to be different, the dock needs to blow so much more air, and in a concentrated place because it's a few milimiters.
You're definitely not the only one thinking the way you do. This is still behind the times. No Lidar, no spinning or vibrating mop pad, and that drier sound is quite annoying. It almost sounds like the fan has a bad baring.
yes, I am doing my own editing and trying to make it easier. Thanks for the feedback, I will try to do better. any thoughts on what I should do at the end? Thanks
@@JustADad Here's a few things. 1) add chapters to your video. 2) show notes will help organize the chapters. 3) add timestamps so people can skip to the parts of the video that are relevant to them 4) Order 1st: 3-5s summary of the video 2nd: who this video is for 3rd: who this video is not for 4th: testing / experiments 5th: results 6th: final thoughts / recommendation 7th: closest competitor in price range 8th: preview of next video 9th: when to expect the next video (this is why someone would subscribe)
@@modernwize Wow thanks for taking the time for some great information!!!!! I will be taking a picture of this and showing the team!!! Consider it done!!!! thank you very much!!!!!!
Thanks for the review, definitely won't buy this one. The pad drying on that machine is a big nope. It was taking forever and was so loud. Not really impressed with anything about this one.
Do you feel like the absence of lidar navigation of these Roombas puts these in a class lower than the one's that do? I feel that at this price range they are offering technology that was offered maybe two three years ago from roborock or dreame
Can you please make a video with a real mopping test? On a dirty floor? And after that it would be really interesting to see if after it washes the mop pad, the mop pad its clean or not. From what i seen, i am not convinced that this system really cleans the mop pad adequately. Thanks
Another reason why I stay with shark. I will admit they need to do some updating and catching up though. Still waiting on them to come out with one that will wash my pad and raise the mop pad up so it won’t get the carpeting wet. Let alone their app which needs work.
56:09 Everyone's obsessed with lidar navigation, but I have to strongly disagree; as an owner of one of the first Roombas to come with a camera, I hope iRobot never switches to lidar navigation. First, there seems to be an assumption that lidar is somehow more sophisticated or more advanced than camera navigation, but from a conceptual perspective, this is simply untrue. A camera captures complete 2D frames of visual data, whereas lidar can only see a 1D ring around itself. While that means more sophisticated algorithms (and more processing power) are required to interpret all that camera data and build a map from it, the potential for accuracy and precision are far higher. Second, something that almost everyone overlooks: component lifetime/failure. I can count on my Roomba and its stationary-mounted camera to chug along for at least the next decade, and all of the mechanical/moving parts (e.g. wheels, rollers) are mounted in replaceable modules. I have no such faith when it comes to mechanically rotating lidar, especially when mounted proud of the rest of the machine. Third, too many misinterpret Roombas bumping into things as a mere side-effect of navigation limitations, but, as the P.O.O.P. demonstrates, that's not true; it's a design decision. I'd rather my bot try all the walls and furniture legs, push aside curtains, move toys, etc. and clean everything it can reach, than have it mince around everything and miss spots (e.g. under the bed). A good showcase of the differences in navigation is with lost robovacs: if you move a lidar botvac, and then tell it to go home, most will just run a dedicated "find home" algorithm, exploring open spaces until the home base is encountered. Camera-based Roombas, on the other hand, do not wander; they start cleaning as if the Clean button were pressed, and either stop and go directly back to base upon recognizing their surroundings, or, failing that, go back to the start location and call for help. I will agree about the drying fan and the Essentials model; the former definitely needs to be quieter, and I do not understand the market segment for the latter; perhaps it's aimed at brand capture for those with limited real estate (e.g. apartment dwellers)? Below a certain area size, navigation really doesn't matter.
They had so much time to come up with something up to par with the competition, and this is what they come up with. I honestly don’t know where this brand will be in the next few years
wow i have to say this is an amazing video you got your video out so fast!! great job
Thank you so much!!
I can't believe irobot released this as a product. Why is that dryer so damn loud?
I can't stop laugh how loud it was, I agree 100%
iRobot - just adopt LiDAR already. Taking over an hour to create a map and smashing into walls and furniture because "that's how it navigates lols" is absolutely ridiculous in 2024. /Rant over
yep one work LIDAR!!!!!!
@JustADad yup I have the x10 omni and it's amazing
100%
I mean iRobot is very conservative bc they don’t want to adapt to lidar
I am very confused, both systems work. Both have their problems, LiDar isn’t perfect.
VSLAM (camera) has been implemented by iRobot and is also an important part of other robotic developments on their side. Just like Tesla sticks with cameras. As long as it works it’s fine.
Thanks for the testing. This robot should never have been made for sale. Pure trash. Even 100$ is all too much. Again, thanks.
I mean I know people are still angry at this robot but hey. They are going in the right direction but very slowly. Let’s just give them 1009 more years for them to add a lidar
now that is funny!
No dirt in the dirty water is something else 😂
Thank you for this video. It helped alot. For the cost of the unit. It shouldnt be this hard to setup.
Thank you so much for your excellent video. It is really exciting to see it work and the technology is pretty cool I would love to get one of these one of these days, and your video just verified that for me. I did not know what to expect. Thanks again for the thorough explanation and details.😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
One really wonders where the money is going, irobot has (or used to have up until last year) a ton of money invested on R&D and yet their tech is sooo behind. I get why people like the company, they have good support and warranty claims are typically handled with ease but those prices and features are ridiculous.
They were able to get away with the iconic roomba name (and probably still do), but their stock and sales performance speaks volumes about the companies future.
In my personal opinion, iRobot is suffering with lots of corporate overhead. Spending money on desks and urinal cakes. In contrast, many of the new startup companies have little overhead and invest everything in technology.
A few things. Don’t heart every comment, I doubt you agree to everything everyone says. So don’t heart this.
About LiDAR vs VSLAM or general visual navigation. Why do they keep VSLAM? Well, it’s already developed (a lot of money has gone into it and still is) and mainly because it’s being used in other places. Think about robotics in general (Dyson is also a good example). Or think about Tesla.
The setup phase has not a lot to do with actually owning the vacuum for a long time. After I set the vacuum up, it’s done. It could take 5 hours, most don’t care, as long as it works afterwards it’s fine.
And yeah, I agree and hope that the noise of the drying is just a production error. Maybe if they fix that it would be worth 1000$.
Because again, as you said iRobot is great in the repairability departement, they have replacement parts all the way back to the 900 Series and even further back.
Come on! Roomba you had years and you're still dragging a mop pad? We're into rollers now.
It pushes pressure down
@@stevenquach9442 it still is bad compared to a lot of other mops
They also have a feature called smart scrub and it’s the only way to 100% not get your carpets wet.
9:24 I feel like these were for bin full sensor, but they do cooperate with dirt detect, which I think this j series lineup uses camera more than sensing with those sensors.
Fun fact: your Roomba is made in 15 June 2024
41:54 it's probably soaking the pad
Good catches!! and I bet you are right
Does the iroomba dock autofill the vac with cleaning solution?
yes
Right on! Thanks for your prompt response! Liked and Subbed!
Thank you for this review and for the candor, Dad.
Clearly you didn’t watch the review 😂😂😂 but then again we all know iRobot never listens to its customers when they’re still using VSLAM in 2024
can you test the dock with the combo j9 like switch the dust bin and test it?
looks like lots of differences between the two
@@JustADad can you maybe do a video on that? if you have time for it like testing the bots on each others docks and like doing a in-depth hands on comparison if that wasn’t clear i can explain more
@@garyuppledycktyke9073 coming soon
@@JustADadone thing that I saw that the j7 combo will work with the j9plus base, you just need to swap dust bins.
How about calling it. (Dad’s Vacuum Room)
This is a design nightmare compared to the line of qrevo roborock series
Nice to know since running my i530 in 2012, they still scratch the shit out of themselves and run into everything just like 12 years ago.
Who decided that horizontal loading of water/waste was a good idea? A tiny little pad for mopping-yuck. This doesn't seem like it will stand the test of time, and I'm a Roomba fan. I started with the i530 back in the day.
No lidar. what a joke. 1400$ for this!?? My Master arrives tomorrow; Roomba is dead. I had a revo pro for a few days, and it never hit anything.
New robot- after mapping - all sacratch- looks like aleready few years.. home problably looks the same.
Very bad water tanks design. Very poor mopping.. all robot ~2-3 yeras after competition
That not a event on the app that just a map washing
I hate bootleg roombas like the one made by Eufy
I agree with you why their camera system is really good. They really need to be implementing lidar with that. It would be a far superior robot vacuum but they are way behind with their app it is completely still outdated.
That dryer is a deal breaker. Was super excited for this, but I could not live with that for hours every day. Pretty sure even the neighbors would complain if I used that while I was at work.
LOL right!
You can turn it off though
But I understand what you mean for $1,400
@@Skull_CB_TV I thought about that. I would consider it, but I'm worried given the poorly ventilated position of the pad when it's in the dock, it might begin to develop mold if not properly dried.
yes
Hard to get excited about that loud ass machine. Awful awful. They should just stop making stuff if they aren’t even going to try. Embarrassing. Good video though!
I don’t like this model it’s noisy and it bumps into things and it’s got jerky movements for the price iRobot charges it’s really bad I think I will rather use the j9+ combo instead
And wait for next model maybe it will be better seriously for the price it’s unacceptable
for this price having such a flimsy mop pad is pretty sad. this cant really mop well. after watching this video, this price is a joke for this kinda garbage thing lol
As a robotic geek, I can say that lidar is an expensive and limited solution who has reached its technology limit. Vision is the future. Like the human eye, there is virtually no limit to what vision can do. (However, some, not all, cameras require light). Cameras and processing are cheap. This year, we will see vision surpass what lidar can do in automobiles. Lidar will be stuck in the past while vision continues into the future.
Geez that so embarrassing… I mean at this point they are going slowly but surely to bankruptcy
"The dock and robot are engaged in pad washing behavior" that's so funny
The robot was just wetting the mop when started mopping! It wasn’t an event.
That makes sense, just never seen this before on a robot
They did too much with this, too many things happening and too many chances for error and things to diagnose and fix. They should have just added lidar and corner sweeping brush on the left side and rollers for mopping.
This thing is comical, looks like it's straight out of 2021. For $1400 this is comically outdated, from it just smash head first into anything in front, to the tiny water tanks and dust bin, strange navigation quirks, and all the strange cheap-sounding noises the dock makes. This is such a half assed attempt at a premium vacuum, looks like iRobot hastily threw this together just to have *something* in this category. Feels like they're just banking on people buying a Roomba based off brand recognition, but I doubt that'll last long at all.
I'm between this unit and the Roborock s8 Maxv Ultra. Which one would you prefer, money aside?
Are you for real ? That not even a contest specially if money isn’t a problem
42:30 was when the robot was trying to soak its mop pad so it can mop evenly instead of leaving streaks unlike the previous generations.
thanks
That bumper will soon put black streaks and damage all over your furniture legs, walls, etc...I am shock it's 2024 and Roomba still chose outdated tech.
Because it HAS to raise it's mopping pad - probably just to be different, the dock needs to blow so much more air, and in a concentrated place because it's a few milimiters.
Never been impressed with IRobot. My Eufy x10 makes IRobot look like a Dollar General robot vacuum.
I don't understand why roombas sometimes do 270 degree turns instead of a 90 degree turn in the direction they want to go. My j8+ does this as well..
3 years ago could be a good robot... you have to pay a premium price for something that is already obsolete.
You're definitely not the only one thinking the way you do. This is still behind the times. No Lidar, no spinning or vibrating mop pad, and that drier sound is quite annoying. It almost sounds like the fan has a bad baring.
At this point i am pretty sure that irobot will go bankrupt
at 41:45 The Roomba has wet its mop pad so that it doesn't leave streaks.
This robot is so out dated compared to other robots today.
I think it’s time for iRobot to retire. 😂😂😂
The dryer fan also sounds broken. I’d report to them.
A stationary dragging mop for a $1400 robot!?
57:37 I’d be asking for a refund.
are you pasting the same video at the end of every video? As a subscriber its very annoying to keep seeing the exact same clip on every video.
yes, I am doing my own editing and trying to make it easier. Thanks for the feedback, I will try to do better. any thoughts on what I should do at the end? Thanks
@@JustADad Here's a few things.
1) add chapters to your video.
2) show notes will help organize the chapters.
3) add timestamps so people can skip to the parts of the video that are relevant to them
4) Order
1st: 3-5s summary of the video
2nd: who this video is for
3rd: who this video is not for
4th: testing / experiments
5th: results
6th: final thoughts / recommendation
7th: closest competitor in price range
8th: preview of next video
9th: when to expect the next video (this is why someone would subscribe)
@@modernwize Wow thanks for taking the time for some great information!!!!! I will be taking a picture of this and showing the team!!! Consider it done!!!! thank you very much!!!!!!
It looks like the robot is the same as the J9 but the base station is different. Roombas clean the carpeted area first.
I thought that at first, but it does sound different and act different.
Thanks for the review, definitely won't buy this one. The pad drying on that machine is a big nope. It was taking forever and was so loud. Not really impressed with anything about this one.
Thanks for sharing
Do you feel like the absence of lidar navigation of these Roombas puts these in a class lower than the one's that do? I feel that at this price range they are offering technology that was offered maybe two three years ago from roborock or dreame
i only recommend lidar robots now
Can you please make a video with a real mopping test? On a dirty floor? And after that it would be really interesting to see if after it washes the mop pad, the mop pad its clean or not. From what i seen, i am not convinced that this system really cleans the mop pad adequately. Thanks
I will do that in the full review, thanks for watching!!!
Another reason why I stay with shark. I will admit they need to do some updating and catching up though. Still waiting on them to come out with one that will wash my pad and raise the mop pad up so it won’t get the carpeting wet. Let alone their app which needs work.
Yeah I agree
the vacuum motor on this one sounds so powerful, the one on my 4 yr old i7 barely makes any noise
Not that loud in real life. I had a J7+ and upgraded to this one.
Did you not remove the plastic, or is it already beat to hell?
I removed it
🤔🤔🤔🤔
Thank you for your review! 😊
My pleasure 😊
56:09 Everyone's obsessed with lidar navigation, but I have to strongly disagree; as an owner of one of the first Roombas to come with a camera, I hope iRobot never switches to lidar navigation.
First, there seems to be an assumption that lidar is somehow more sophisticated or more advanced than camera navigation, but from a conceptual perspective, this is simply untrue. A camera captures complete 2D frames of visual data, whereas lidar can only see a 1D ring around itself. While that means more sophisticated algorithms (and more processing power) are required to interpret all that camera data and build a map from it, the potential for accuracy and precision are far higher.
Second, something that almost everyone overlooks: component lifetime/failure. I can count on my Roomba and its stationary-mounted camera to chug along for at least the next decade, and all of the mechanical/moving parts (e.g. wheels, rollers) are mounted in replaceable modules. I have no such faith when it comes to mechanically rotating lidar, especially when mounted proud of the rest of the machine.
Third, too many misinterpret Roombas bumping into things as a mere side-effect of navigation limitations, but, as the P.O.O.P. demonstrates, that's not true; it's a design decision. I'd rather my bot try all the walls and furniture legs, push aside curtains, move toys, etc. and clean everything it can reach, than have it mince around everything and miss spots (e.g. under the bed).
A good showcase of the differences in navigation is with lost robovacs: if you move a lidar botvac, and then tell it to go home, most will just run a dedicated "find home" algorithm, exploring open spaces until the home base is encountered. Camera-based Roombas, on the other hand, do not wander; they start cleaning as if the Clean button were pressed, and either stop and go directly back to base upon recognizing their surroundings, or, failing that, go back to the start location and call for help.
I will agree about the drying fan and the Essentials model; the former definitely needs to be quieter, and I do not understand the market segment for the latter; perhaps it's aimed at brand capture for those with limited real estate (e.g. apartment dwellers)? Below a certain area size, navigation really doesn't matter.
Why so expensive
no idea,
42:10 I think it was trying to wet the mop and make it even before actually mopping.