ATARI Flashback with NO DISPLAY - Can I REPAIR it?

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  • @frankrigby7937
    @frankrigby7937 Рік тому +6

    Have no clue what your talking about. But absolutely fascinating watching how you get a dead piece of electronics back to life. Love it.

  • @jddeluxe2242
    @jddeluxe2242 Рік тому +15

    I personally love that you're getting back to your roots with fixing game consoles... Keep em' coming 👍

  • @zeb3144
    @zeb3144 Рік тому +2

    Despite not having any knowledge of electronics, i really enjoy watching your fix it videos.

  • @MRMichaelDeaver
    @MRMichaelDeaver Рік тому +9

    I love how Vince gets excited when things go to plan :)

  • @tinman7551
    @tinman7551 Рік тому +1

    The very first console I ever touched. My cousin owned one and I could play for 20 minutes at a time in my local electronics store. It led to a life long obsession with computers that turned into a career. Love the channel sir 🥰😁🤩

  • @JamesPotts
    @JamesPotts Рік тому

    I lucked into a Centipede arcade cabinet a few years back. Still brings a smile to my face when I turn it on.

  • @lifooz2955
    @lifooz2955 Рік тому +3

    "I hate not having a positive outcome on a video if possible"
    What a legend we are watching folks!😍🥰
    /L

  • @brendonelton
    @brendonelton Рік тому +13

    Keep smashing out the repair video's Vince! I thoroughly enjoy them! keep up the good work! 👍🏻

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 Рік тому +1

    @29:54 - That blob chip you soldered on to the good machines is labeled 3.3V on the right side of that board in this shot.

  • @gkimble90
    @gkimble90 Рік тому +3

    You could also use soldering paste Vince 😊

  • @amnril
    @amnril Рік тому +1

    I admire your dogged determination, well done Vince. 👌

  • @marcellipovsky8222
    @marcellipovsky8222 Рік тому +2

    Hi Vince, just my 5 cents here - I suggest you get a proper 9V adapter there. The 7805 can handle the 35V input but it also needs a proper heatsink for that and here is none.

  • @CLC-1000
    @CLC-1000 Рік тому +1

    I’m so happy to see more fix videos Vince. Interesting item, but those black blob chips look so tricky to work with.

  • @kiphakes
    @kiphakes Рік тому +4

    Haha. Nice to see the old mug! Collectors item now! Really interesting little console

    • @Mymatevince
      @Mymatevince  Рік тому +3

      Yes, a very rare mug, like the MMV Rolls Royce mugs. Only a few sold worldwide, never to be sold again 😥 One day I will look back at this era and gasp at the way I was nonchalantly drinking from it. I'm holding onto it Kip to fund my retirement. I have your toothbrush as well!!!! 😂👍

    • @kiphakes
      @kiphakes Рік тому +3

      @@Mymatevince haha.. that last sentence makes you sound like a mental fan of mine.. 😂😂

    • @Mymatevince
      @Mymatevince  Рік тому +2

      @@kiphakes 😂😂😂

  • @rfmerrill
    @rfmerrill Рік тому +19

    Hey Vince, fun fact: The original Atari Flashback is actually a Famiclone :) Companies in China and Taiwan have been making clone NES chips for so long that it was actually cheaper for them to reprogram all of the games to run on NES than it would have been to use a modern chip or try and clone the Atari hardware.
    I am assuming the hardware you have is the Famiclone version and not the later ones that do actually emulate/clone the Atari hardware, but that might be hasty. If I'm correct, the blobtop you have on that little carrier board is the ROM chip that stores all the built-in games.
    I actually have a cheap bootleg cart that uses the same mapper and ROM chip as well. Unfortunately there is no modern equivalent of the ROM that can be purchased that will drop right in :/ The closest one would have been a 27C320 but there are none available anywhere in the correct package. You would have to bodge in a pair of 27C160s with the right logic to switch between them. 27C322 wouldn't work as it doesn't support byte access.

    • @AmbroseClarke
      @AmbroseClarke Рік тому

      Wonder if those bridged jumper pads on that chip board is for selecting different games/roms. Maybe the Famiclone is still in there - Ive taken apart stuff before where you get different languages or sound effects by making or breaking those solder links.

    • @summerlaverdure
      @summerlaverdure Рік тому

      yeah, was hoping this was the Flashback 2, actual 2600 on a chip but sadly no its the lame first one :(

  • @charlesdeens8927
    @charlesdeens8927 Рік тому +1

    Nothing like a good fix to actually make 40 year old games fun again.

  • @TachiUk
    @TachiUk Рік тому +10

    Another excellent video, and always love seeing the games from my childhood. Would love to see some work on a C64 one day ;)

    • @Mymatevince
      @Mymatevince  Рік тому +9

      I'd love to do a C64 also, I've looked a few times on eBay and I don't see any faulty ones. I do have a Spectrum 48k to look at though 👍👍👍

    • @brendonelton
      @brendonelton Рік тому +6

      @@Mymatevince Get on it Vince! I love a good Spectrum being brought back to life!

  • @wholemilkotter9377
    @wholemilkotter9377 Рік тому

    Back to back uploads? You’re spoiling us Vince!

  • @djGreenALERT
    @djGreenALERT Рік тому

    Congratulations on the repair.. Proof that persistence really does pay off..Well that and buying another one to use for parts helps. Just something I remembered when playing Centipede.. the Spider will never double back on itself, so if you miss it, don't chase after it. It's best to let it go off the screen!

  • @BuyitFixit
    @BuyitFixit Рік тому +6

    Great Video Vince, That blob chip you ground away looks like some kind of eprom or flash memory from the layout of the die. I wonder if it's possible to use one a smd one of the footprint. I also noticed on the one you were soldering in had a mark of WE which could be Write Enable and 8b and 16b which looked like a jumper for 8 or 16bit access. Keep up the great work 👍 Also it's called a trackball 😂😂

    • @Mymatevince
      @Mymatevince  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Mick. Trackball...Yes that's the one 😂👍👍👍

  • @wisher21uk
    @wisher21uk Рік тому +1

    Vince the king of consoles, nice fix Vince, well spotted and thanks for the upload 😊

  • @GarthBeagle
    @GarthBeagle Рік тому +3

    What a battle! Nicely done Vince 👍

  • @Dasa188
    @Dasa188 Рік тому

    Good job Vince. Glad to see your experience and skills get better and better

  • @Zackprojects
    @Zackprojects Рік тому +1

    Very cool! 🎉 great job Vince. Also cool to see inside a blob, many times I been tempted to crack one open.

  • @GadgetUK164
    @GadgetUK164 Рік тому +2

    Those darned chips!!! Nice work though Vince!

  • @pvc988
    @pvc988 Рік тому +4

    If you want to see actual bond wires take a classic UV EPROM chip and look closely through its windows. Bond wires are clearly visible there.

  • @sp523
    @sp523 Рік тому

    Great video Vince! Thank you for showing the inside of a blob chip!

  • @TheDefpom
    @TheDefpom Рік тому +2

    @22:00 I’m 90% sure the fault would have been the soldered bridges between the main to sub board, those are prone to cracking, especially as it got worse when you tried soldering them, I think if you had persevered with those connections you would have got it working.

    • @8bitbubsy
      @8bitbubsy Рік тому +1

      I agree with this. It's quite unlikely that the connections to the die would go bad in a simple device like this that is stationary.

    • @Mymatevince
      @Mymatevince  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Scott. Maybe, looking through the microscope they all looked ok, but it is easy to miss a crack especially with all the reflections from the lights 👍👍

  • @raysmancave1
    @raysmancave1 Рік тому

    Vince , these are simply called COB Chips, (Chip On Board)
    Because it is physical wires from the chip to the board, a potting compound is blobbed over the chip to support the wires from vibration or strain.
    The resin is blobbed on the chip, then placed in an oven for 4 hours to harden.
    Unlike the chips nowadays, COBs were time consuming to make back in the day

    • @VVerVVurm
      @VVerVVurm Рік тому +2

      I wonder how many cents they are saving by skipping the chip packaging .. must be a whole tenth of a cent or so 🙄

  • @ErrorMessageNotFound
    @ErrorMessageNotFound Рік тому +4

    I'd still replace that lead with a proper 9V one. That 7805 is going to get really hot at 18V.

  • @mikethedigitaldoctorjarvis
    @mikethedigitaldoctorjarvis Рік тому

    Well done Vince ! a lot of work went into that and it paid off ! good job 😊

  • @Chriva
    @Chriva Рік тому

    Been following you for ages and this is the first time I recall seeing your face. What a reveal :D

  • @logothaironsides2942
    @logothaironsides2942 9 місяців тому

    Yeah! Haha. Fantastic mend. To think how exciting it used to be to watch blocky graphics popping around on the TV. I remember typing in values to get characters to come up on the TV with our old spectrum. I think poking numbers into memory. The clever crowd could do it in machine code and ruled the programming scene and were often only teenagers.

  • @mrjsv4935
    @mrjsv4935 Рік тому

    Nice fix :) Never got Atari consoles myself but have some old Atari games downloaded in my PS3 in the Atari Anniversary Edition Redux (PS1), which includes Centipede, Pong and for example Asteroids.
    The Mini C-64 is my only "modern retro" device, bought it in 2018, so far has been working fine. My original Commodore 64 C in the 80's blew it's power supply right after warranty expired :D

  • @MrBrainFear
    @MrBrainFear Рік тому +1

    Don’t plug it in, first thing done. Let’s plug it in. 😂 good ol’ Vince. Triggers me so bad… 😅

  • @MoTheBlackCat
    @MoTheBlackCat Рік тому

    What. A. ROLLERCOASTER! Good job there.

  • @Bjornar_Gjostol
    @Bjornar_Gjostol Рік тому

    Love these videos, trained as an electronics engineer but don't use it, became a Technical Specialist in IT instead

  • @MrJDNJ
    @MrJDNJ Рік тому +1

    The atari flashback 9 (and above) are great because they have an SD card slot and hdmi out. I've had success and failures in trying to fix a few of them, but I never investigated the blob chip.....

  • @andrewmoore150
    @andrewmoore150 Рік тому

    Any more car videos? I love the car restoration vids.

  • @155andRising
    @155andRising Рік тому

    I had an 800 XL as a kid . Great memories

  • @Scyllinice
    @Scyllinice Рік тому

    There was another Atari console between the 2600 and 7800: the 5200.
    It only lasted 2 years and sold way less than the 2600. They don't look to be too expensive as parts, at least states side.

  • @andrewcollins867
    @andrewcollins867 Рік тому

    Takes me back Vince !!!

  • @M1LAD81
    @M1LAD81 Рік тому

    I was on tenterhooks when you went to test and then the second time too. Good job it was only that you forgot to plug in the power adaptor! 😂

  • @boblowes
    @boblowes 4 місяці тому

    The weird thing about this original Atari Flashback, is that it isn't actually an Atari in any way, shape or form. the company that was licensed by Atari to make it was led by Curt Vendel (who was an original Atari employee), and they were given a very short amount of time to produce the machine for the xmas market. so the simplest solution was to make a Nes-on-a_chip solution, port the games to it quickly, and bung it in a replica 7800 case. If you tried plugging the Flashback's controllers into a real Atari 7800 (cos they're quite a nice size and comfortable to hold), they won't work, as they're basically NES controllers with an Atari plug.
    However, the Flashback was quite a big seller for Atari, so they went ahead with the Flashback 2. This time, Curt Vendel made sure he was able to spend more time on it, and produced a replica 2600 that was actually an Atari 2600-on-a-chip. He also included instructions for adding a cartridge slot to add the ability to load real Atari 2600 cartridge games. You can also plug in paddle controllers, and unlock some paddle games. They followed this up with the Flashback 2+, which has some minor differences, but every Flashback since then has been produced by AT Games, and is some sort of Arm-based emulator.
    Atari have now produced the Atari 2600+, which is basically, a 7800 in a 2600 case, with HDMI output, and compatibility with both the 2600 and 7800.

  • @jamesdye4603
    @jamesdye4603 Рік тому

    A word about the controller, the originals were horrible right out of the box, so I'm not surprised that you find the Flashback ones annoying as well.

  • @dungeonseeker3087
    @dungeonseeker3087 Рік тому +2

    It says a lot about the QC and quality of a product when the DC output is labelled as 9v and yet its outputting 18v. Sure its fine for most modern stuff since they have regulation built in but if someone grabbed that to use on an old device thinking it was a 9v output it would almost certainly kill it.

    • @MizuhoChan
      @MizuhoChan Рік тому +1

      I would imagine it's not actually supposed to be 18v, I had a 9v that was doing 12v, it's likely just a failing cap or something. If this was from 2004, that would put it in the age of bad caps, like you get on the original xbox and such too.

  • @andymouse
    @andymouse Рік тому

    Love Centipede and I'm old and it's a " Blob chip " !!.....cheers RIP Calculon

  • @legendsflashback
    @legendsflashback Рік тому

    Great videos this is rare flashback indeed

  • @123simion1989
    @123simion1989 Рік тому

    Nice fix Vince, how is the car coming along? Ready for the MOT?

  • @KAPTKipper
    @KAPTKipper Рік тому

    The Atari 7800 was 2600 compatible too. The Atari 5200 was not. They had weird multi-function joysticks. IMO 7805 with 18V is too much - the extra power is converted to heat. 8 or 9 V is more norm.

  • @paulbinns1524
    @paulbinns1524 Рік тому

    What's the music during timelapse? Really nice song. Cheers for the great content. Always entertaining.

  • @pherman8852
    @pherman8852 Рік тому

    That was fun Vince. Thanks

  • @Graytail
    @Graytail Рік тому

    18:30 Yeah, thought it'd turn out to be the ROM because of the spotty output. I'm not sure what the pinout is, or if its even possible on this model, but some of those flashback consoles could be modded so you could wire in an original atari cartridge slot, replacing the onboard games

  • @TheSkaldenmettrunk
    @TheSkaldenmettrunk Рік тому

    Great fix. Thank you for the good entertainment.

  • @DennisHeinzen
    @DennisHeinzen Рік тому

    I haven't watched it until the end yet, but at 20:25 at the first resolder you solded 2 pins together...

  • @dodgydruid
    @dodgydruid Рік тому

    My ol' mum working at the Times had to review the Pong machine and then a weirdly branded Ingersoll Rand VCS in a plain brown cardboard package but inside was the original VCS sans any Atari logo'ing and the awesome Space Invader's cart and the excited Smartie joystick of course. Brother and I became gods with the VCS, suddenly we were uber popular until me dad threw his dummy out the pram and banned all our new mates leading to some proper bashings in the playground :( Only one shop in London sold the games in Holborn and the prices were absurdly high til me mum cultivated a couple of US contacts over at the embassy who managed to get us a couple more games.

  • @Styler3x
    @Styler3x Рік тому

    I'd try to apply some heat to the chip, using hot air station before completely destructing semi-working asic. Checking traces continuity around the problematic area also is not bad idea.

  • @xzytqweo3538
    @xzytqweo3538 Рік тому

    Great job, Vince.

  • @JTAG123Slamma
    @JTAG123Slamma Рік тому

    You’ve got one of those nice buttery voices. That’s why I like you.

  • @Ascania
    @Ascania Рік тому +2

    You looked up the maximum input voltage of the 7805 voltage regulator and concluded from that that the power supply providing double the stated input voltage would be safe to use. This is not a safe assumption to make. To drop the voltage a linear regulator like the 7805 disperses the excess power as heat and can get quite hot. Hot enough it can cook and destroy itself if the circuit draws sufficient current. In this example here the regulator was used without a heat sink, which strongly limits the amount of current the circuit can draw and by going from 9V to 18V input you effectively tripled the amount of power the regulator has to disperse as heat.

    • @rfmerrill
      @rfmerrill Рік тому

      A true 7805 has built-in thermal protection, so it shouldn't completely fry itself from heat--the output will just drop and eventually shut off completely. However, the thermal protection does kick in at a pretty high temperature so you're not doing any favors to the system by letting it reach that.

    • @Ascania
      @Ascania Рік тому

      @@rfmerrill True. Though I wouldn't rely on this thermal protection working all too well with modern Chinese-sourced 7805s.

  • @RDJ134
    @RDJ134 Рік тому

    So... you wacked the bal around. Not what i expected on a repair video, but here we are ;)

  • @chezsnailez
    @chezsnailez Рік тому

    We have the 2600 version Flashback Atari. We used to have a 7800 with games but we gave it to an upstairs neighbour girl since we weren't using it. Have a 2600 but no cartridges and a 5200 with a cartridge but we haven't been able to get it playing. Oh, well...
    Watching some of that gameplay and it looks-a lichen you got hosed with 2600 games in a 7800 form factor

  • @chrisstyles4630
    @chrisstyles4630 9 місяців тому

    Good old atari the nostalgia even though its on a classic & not the full fat atari

  • @TurboTimsWorld
    @TurboTimsWorld Рік тому

    Vince the "scary bear curtain pattern" did anyone else see it? lol 7;39

  • @eugene5008
    @eugene5008 Рік тому

    Винс крутой) так ковырять эту атари) молодец 👍

  • @JLsoft
    @JLsoft Рік тому

    This is the first version of the Atari 'Flashback', and there were some odd choices that happened. First of all, it's not emulating games or anything...the guts are basically a NES-on-a-chip/Famiclone (just like most of the other XXXX-in-1 cheapo systems where there are like 10 NES games with repeating 100 times throughout the menu), and the 'Atari' games are just re-creations made for the NES/Famicom hardware, and so the accuracy is all over the place vs. the original games. Second, they designed the shell after the Atari 7800, a system that wayyy less people would recognize at a glance, so that was cutting out even more potential based-on-nostalgia buyers. (Also, *ugh* at the flared-legs Atari logo from this era :P...but that's just me)
    Luckily it sold enough that the Flashback 2 happened, which _was_ styled after an Atari VCS/2600, and the guts were basically a modern 'Atari-2600-on-a-chip' that's runs the original game ROMs. The designer of both put _so_ much thoughtful work into making the 2's hardware faithful that the circuit board lists what you need to hook up in order to add an actual cartridge port to play physical games carts on it.
    RIP Curt Vendel

  • @TorqueEffect
    @TorqueEffect Рік тому

    I just saw one of these today at a Half-Price Books.

  • @Tig3rj
    @Tig3rj Рік тому

    Atari 2600, Atari 5200 and Atari 7800 were the main gaming systems..then of course the Atari Jaguar later on and the current Atari VCS system.

    • @meetoo594
      @meetoo594 Рік тому

      Dont forget the lynx, best handheld by quite a margin on launch. Developed by some of the original Amiga team as well.

  • @markusfritze
    @markusfritze Рік тому

    Looks like the Flash memory which you replaced and the jumper might be a selector for the software. Maybe that thing becomes a different device with a different jumper?

  • @jreding132
    @jreding132 Рік тому

    great job Vince!

  • @MrFujack103
    @MrFujack103 Рік тому

    22:17 why didn’t you re address the soldering you did before grinding the blob? Something changed and could be a stubborn solder joint between the 2 boards still?

  • @meetoo594
    @meetoo594 Рік тому

    I have one of these but the menu is different, its just got blue `buttons` for each game rather than the stacked game and console graphics on this one so maybe I have an earlier version. Its absolutely identical in all other aspects. It uses a nes on a chip and the games arnt emulated but recreated iirc.

  • @fishandreptileinfo
    @fishandreptileinfo Рік тому

    Have you sold the Rolls Vince ????? Really missing the videos.

  • @bones1225
    @bones1225 Рік тому

    Hi Vince , have been an avid follower since the Bronze Age. A little known channel that I also have been following since inception, is Hasseb Electronics. This guy is the epitome of “the internet of everyday use cases… and I will fix it”. Would love for you to give him a plug? Like you, this guy is awesome.

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Рік тому

    If the reg. is a 7805 be sure to jam in a TSR-1 2450.

  • @vresi
    @vresi Рік тому

    What little grinding tool is it you have at 21:57 ?

  • @TomMannCenturia
    @TomMannCenturia Рік тому

    I agree that some people do expect too much from this type of cheap retro mini console, but this version of Flashback (there's loads of them) is a particularly poor one. The joysticks also snap incredibly easily.

  • @dodgydruid
    @dodgydruid Рік тому

    The machine to get is the Ryzen powered Atari, hybrid games player plus fairly decent PC all in a box.

  • @leenewby2563
    @leenewby2563 Рік тому +1

    Sorry Vince, I don't make it easy! ... Well done

    • @Mymatevince
      @Mymatevince  Рік тому

      You certainly don't Lee 😂👍😎

  • @leoglena2812
    @leoglena2812 Рік тому

    Enjoyed "ATTACK OF THE BLOB!!"

  • @screen-protector
    @screen-protector Рік тому

    These L7805 voltage regulators are least efficient, nowadays you'll see less and less of them. Instead there are MOSFETs which are more efficient but you need a coil and a cap, and or you can use what's called a dc to dc buck converter which has all of it and is super cheap ;) if you'd buy up to 3A. I'm building now 400W one :D, but still not too dear ;). Will be videos about it for sure. Have my transformer already made.

  • @rangercv4263
    @rangercv4263 Рік тому

    Purely the leads.. Result!

  • @shaunewing8973
    @shaunewing8973 Рік тому

    you have great taste in music :) . I cant find this song though :(

  • @rfr653
    @rfr653 Рік тому

    Good job mate 👍

  • @Musha-Fyre
    @Musha-Fyre Рік тому

    In centipede why the speed is a bit slow? Is it because it's pal version, 50hz?

  • @brutlern
    @brutlern Рік тому +1

    For a moment there I thought you were going to flash... back... an Atari.

  • @davidayres7973
    @davidayres7973 Рік тому

    Nice repair vid. 👍

  • @atomic4l
    @atomic4l Рік тому

    I grimaced when you started to grind the resin away on the "Blob" chip... Knew it was going to end that way.. :( Heatgun and lift :(

  • @martinsherman2205
    @martinsherman2205 Рік тому

    perseverance unsurpassed

  • @dexdex1635
    @dexdex1635 Рік тому

    where you buying low melt solder? Thx

  • @Adam_81
    @Adam_81 Рік тому +2

    I LOVE ATARI

  • @FelinoAnticomunista
    @FelinoAnticomunista Рік тому

    Maybe that BlobChip is an EEPROM that you can copy to a standard DIP EEPROM... Maybe some one in the web has a dump from that chip

  • @ferndog1461
    @ferndog1461 Рік тому

    Atari board work . . .i subscribed.

  • @nalleholm
    @nalleholm Рік тому +1

    a product when the DC output is labelled as 9v and yet its outputting 18v I would fix it or throw it away

  • @jonjonblazezany808
    @jonjonblazezany808 Рік тому

    Hey Vince, what’s the name of the song and artist in the video, thanks.

  • @eadweard.
    @eadweard. Рік тому

    Early Atari games were so simple that they were named after very broad concepts like "Car" or "War".

  • @danieldobrzynski738
    @danieldobrzynski738 Рік тому

    River Ride was the coolest game on Atari ,but ROBBO was the best of the best, and it was Polish game. LK AVALON , Janusz Pelc .

  • @WeFixTvs
    @WeFixTvs Рік тому

    great video, thanks

  • @skeelo69
    @skeelo69 Рік тому

    Mr Blobby wants a go at fixing it 😂😂😂

  • @309electronics5
    @309electronics5 Рік тому

    Am a bit late but that blob on pcb is probably a rom chip holding the software and games and you moving it caused it to work and without pressure the dots appeared probably because the cpu/ppu had nothing to execute than random garbage in ram i wonder what those rom chips hold and if they have been dumped so maybe you can replsce it with a regular rom chip would be fun to see but you can also call it a day. Also the blob chips popping is a common issue i have probably because then air gets introduced or some pressure difference pops the epoxy, killed a few roms but replaced with regulsr roms