Was enjoyable video. Interesting how many obvious similarities for common parts and training were used between the smallest and some of the largest ships the Navy manned. It's smart.
Great video!!! Thanks to you both for putting this together!! Innovative ideas like this will hopefully attract more interest and love for these ships, and help keep them figuratively and literally afloat for future generations... Bravo Zulu guys!!!
I can't wait to tour those ships again. It's been a while and watching the virtual tours of BBNJ has made me excited to see what kind of details might be found on the Little Rock or The Sullivans. :)
Please do a collaboration video with every other Iowa class battleship. The sailor art aspect would make for an especially interesting comparison. Surprised it wasn't mentioned in the video, but the Sullivans tragedy led to major reforms in the military... not only prohibiting siblings from serving in the same unit or ship, but affecting the policy of drafting sole surviving sons into the services. The idea that no family should pay such a heavy price ever again was the basis of the storyline in the movie Saving Private Ryan as well. Thanks for releasing videos such as these, and keeping the history alive and well.
I just started working at the USS Hornet CV-12 museum in Alameda recently, and the New Jersey's engine room is much closer to what we have on board. I think if you guys wanted to do a "compare and contrast" with us, too, that would be SO awesome!
Surprising that no one mentions what a technical achievement the double-helical double-reduction gear main engines were. The USN was nearly 20 years ahead of everyone else here, the Brits didn't go there until post war. This allowed American plants to be far more efficient in space and weight per shaft horsepower. One of the reasons American ships typically had 2-3 times the range of Brits. (My first ship, USS Koelsch FF-1049, I was M-Div, later MPA. Ended up the only EOOW qualified officer aboard her at the time.)
Wow, my first duty stations...I entered the Delayed Entry Program in July 1979. My first assignment was to help clean and paint the USS Little Rock for 2 weeks over the summer and once a month until I shipped to Boot Camp. Of course, I did tour USS The Sullivans during my lunch time. As a 17 year old from rural Western New York, this was the most exciting thing to me. Even chipping paint was fun! Later on, I learned I had "volunteered" to do this (yeah? ET1 Ball said it was an order!). I was recommended for promotion and was promoted out of Boot Camp to Seaman. Thank you Petty Officer Ball! Anyway, great to see these old ships again. I will have to visit in the future. I must say the Engine/fire room looks cleaner and safer than I recall. Great Job! Thank you for the Collaboration. QM1
The HP turbine is probably a Curtis Stage followed by a number of Rateau Stages. The HP turbine exhaust (usually running at a slight vacuum) is fed to the LP turbine which is a reaction turbine. This arrangement is more efficient than a single turbine feeding into a condenser. The astern turbine blades as mounted on the same shaft as the LP turbine blades and both share an exhaust to the condenser. On newer designs the tank is called a de-aerating feed tank.
Great! I am a shipsengineer who sailed forty years ago with steamturbines on container ships. And I have scratched build a Fletcher class destroyer. I have watched this video with great pleasure! Thank you and greetings from the Netherlands.
Absolutely fascinating guys! One of the two ships I served in was a gas turbine powered Spruance class destroyer. Even though I was a 'top sider' in Operations Department I spent a lot of time down in the engine rooms and there is frankly a world of difference between The Sullivans and my Caron. Our engines were comparable to the engines powering a 747 airliner, four of them cranking out 80,000 HP though our top speed was roughly the same as The Sullivans. Shane, I know this has probably been suggested many times by visitors to the ship and to your website, but perhaps a comparative look at both DD-537 and the modern Arleigh Burke class The Sullivans, DDG-68 could be arranged (or maybe has done already.) Your lady looks like she is being well taken care of and is a treasure.
Hi Robert. This is Shane. I am writing to you from my personal channel, and am not representing the Naval Park officially. Thank you for that suggestion, comparing the "first" lady to the "second" lady (DDG-68.) I think that is a fabulous idea! Since DDG-68 is still in service, though, I can understand that certain areas would still be classified. Your suggestion does open the door to maybe do a comparison of the galley, or the mess deck! Excellent suggestion! Staff and others at the Buffalo Naval Park have connections to DDG-68, so I may begin reaching out to them! Greatly appreciated - - glad you liked the video! Please visit our channel as well. We have no where near the amount of content that Ryan and Battleship New Jersey has, but we're working on it! Ryan was a great partner, and look forward to collaborating with them again - and other museum ships around the country and potentially in Canada too!
@@archbuff6289 Hi Shane. I didn't expect an answer especially so quickly. Hope all is well with you and yours. I don't know where DDG-68 is right now, she might be on deployment to the Mediterranean or Caribbean. According to NAVSOURCE she's homeported in Mayport Florida, a somewhat longer jog from your homeport so a road trip could easily become an expensive proposition. I think the ship's Public Affairs Officer or Executive Officer could be of assistance to you in acquiring photos for public use of the ship, both internally and externally. A comparison between crew berthing, mess decks and galley, maybe even engine rooms and so forth. Physical size wise she is probably about midway between your destroyer and your cruiser. She's just over 500' long, 66' beam and displaces about 8300 tons. Her four LM-5000 engines are uprated versions of what we had in Caron (DD 970) providing 100,000 HP total. At a guess I would think that the newer ship is probably very interested in establishing links with your lady. It can't hurt to ask ... true? All the best sir from one 'Tin Can' man to another.
Sure miss those Spruances.... My first "at sea" was aboard O'Brien during her final shakedown... (Dad was a sonar guru at Long Beach Naval Shipyard, and ended up rejecting her sonar suite, so we went back to LB rather than SD...) But always loved those ships, even years later as I was alongside them during UNREPS. Shame that they met such a sad and untimely end.....
@@wheels-n-tires1846 Yeah, it is a shame that there is only ONE left in the world, all the rest have been scrapped or sunk. I attended the decommissioning of Caron just one month after the 9/11/01 terror attacks. All of us were hoping she would get a reprieve. She was still in very good condition and had that 61 cell MK-41 VLS forward making her capable of reaching well up into Afghanistan. One year later I learned she had been 'expended' (sunk) in explosives testing, gathering data to be used to improve the designs of the Zumwalt class and the Flight IIA and Flight III Arleigh Burke class. Broke my heart.
The Grandfather served in engineering on the U.S.S Canberra CA-70 during WW2. He got transferred to be a signalman and three days after the transfer, the ship was hit by an Aerial torpedo off Formosa, killing 20 in the Engine room.
I was on a Navy Reserve DD for a while. I was standing 6 hr on and 6 hr off engineering watches in the Fire (boiler) room. Midwatch and Afternoon watches. After a couple of weeks this part of the crew were so sleep deprived we were were zombies. These became the toughest watches I ever stood. 12 hrs a day in a sauna and no chance to get enough sleep.
Thank You , that was interesting . Having served on the U.S,S. Ranger Cv 61 I was amazed at how small the reduction gears and sstgs were. Again Thank You
thanks a lot, I really enjoyed this comparison. when I served in Germany with no 1 Naval Air Squadron, a long long time ago, they still had a few Fletcher class DDs around.... and I had the great pleasure to visit USS Iowa when she came into port for a short visit, with her Ticonderoga class CG escort and an anti-sub Frigate. when she swung at anchor one could suddenly see how wide the BBs are. really a sight to behold... good to see that these BBs are being well cared for!
Byron, this is Shane from the Buffalo Naval Park responding from my personal channel, as I don't have access to our official Buffalo Naval Park UA-cam Channel. Ultimately, yes - USS The Sullivans, DD-537 and also one currently in service, DDG-68, are the only ships named after more than one person. It's named for all five brothers who perished on USS Juneau. The USS John S. McCain, DDG-56 is in honor of all three members of the family - the two Admirals, and then they "added" the recently deceased politician, the grandson, and son of the first two. I think Ryan would agree when we say we have the best job in the world! Thanks for checking out the video. Glad you enjoyed!
@@archbuff6289 Thank you for your reply and information. As an honorably discharged US Navy veteran I appreciate all you do to bring our US Navy history to light. As a Aviation Machinist Mate I didn't have working knowledge of my shipmate duties in the boiler rooms or foxhole. Thank you for all You do to preserve USN history.
Cool collaboration. My family came from Buffalo and my niece has now served about 20 yrs in the USN. Never knew the museum in Buffalo existed but then I live on the West Coast and that museum did not exist when I went to visit the family that remained there. Thanks for the compare and contrast of both ships. Would love to see more collaborations.
Awesome job gentlemen. It's so nice to see two competitors (going for the same charity dollars) working together for the betterment of both organizations. Bravo Zulu!
The third turbine is not just the astern turbine. The low pressure turbine is in the same case. After going through the HP and / or cruise turbine, steam goes through the low pressure (LP) turbine to the condenser when going forwards. The astern turbine also exhausts to the condenser opposite to the exhaust of the LP turbine. The NJ LP turbine is also different in that it is a "double flow" turbine. A double flow unit has two turbines facing the opposite direction - steam enters the middle and goes to both ends to go to the condenser. Note the crossover pipe enters at the middle of the turbine, not at the end like the destroyer does. Double flow turbines are used when the last row blades would grow too long (unable to withstand the centripetal force) . By having the steam split into two directions, each half can have shorter blades. The astern turbine is only on one the forward end and exhausts only out the front exhaust hood.
35 years ago I was an engineer for GE Marine Department and had turbine cases off quite a few times. Clearly you have had them apart, too. We did reduction gears, Ship Service Turbine Generators, Reactor feed pumps, Variable Frequency Drives, etc.
Finally someone that knows what they are talking about! The NJ curator may not be an engineer but he does not say things that are wrong. I can not say that about the Buffalo curator...
Correct. The third turbine is the same as aboard New Jersey - a combination LP/Astern turbine. You can see the medium sized main steam pipng feeding the astern stage with the "Astern Turbine" sign hanging from it. You also see a very large pipe with a shamrock. This is the exhaust from the HP turbine which feeds the LP stage on the opposite side. Also, the turbines do not clutch out of the reduction gear. So they are always turning, even if you are only feeding steam to the astern or cruising turbines. The cruising turbine is far more efficient in steam use at the low revs needed for low speed operation, the oil usage is insignificant See fig 38-1 here: (since I can't post the image) maritime.org/doc/dc/part10.htm
Something I'd be curious about is if New Jersey has cruise stages in the HP turbine. Some warships had cruise stages at the front of the HP turbine. Effectively there was a cruise turbine and a HP turbine in one case. A single throttle control would open all valves to the cruise turbine, and as the HP turbine valves started opening, the cruse turbine would vent to the crossover. (The cruise turbine normally goes through the HP, making the HP an intermediate turbine.) IIRC, the WWII fleet carriers were setup this way.
Oh hey, I've actually gotten the chance to see the cool ships down at Buffalo before Covid hit! Great place overall and really something to be experienced in person.
Very well done on both ends! An interesting one would be the weapons systems on Little Rock versus New Jersey. Also, if ever there chance you visit Iowa, Wisconsin, or even Missouri; do a video on differences between the ships of the same class, if there’s enough existing differences to do so. Or even what the other battleship museums have on display versus Nee Jersey.
I just put in my retirement papers as a Chief Engineer is the US Merchant Marine... but the very first engine room that I ever qualified in - was the 600 psi destroyer plant at Great Lakes Naval Station over 40 years ago. That throttle board looks like a very old friend to me.
My Grand Father was a Machinist Mate on CA-71 U.S.S. Quincy. Heavy Cruiser from the Baltimore Class. The New Orleans Class CA-39 U.S.S. Quincy One was sunk at the Battle Savo Islands.
I love your comparison of two ships. I am also amazed at how clean and tidy these old engine rooms are. Can you compare your engine room to older ships like the USS Olympia and USS Texas?
Really cool. I like the collaborative video. I've also done some fire room and engine room work on a Gearing class destroyer museum ship and it is very similar.
Very much enjoyed the video. However, I would have liked to see more views of the engineering spaces. Some possible collaboration ideas could be, 5" fire control systems, CIC, pilot house, mess decks and crews berthing. Thanks again for all you do.
Awesome learning experience. When they open the border again, I'll have to visit that Buffalo Naval park. I never knew there was something so interesting just across the border.
Thanks for saying. I'm Shane the Curator at the Buffalo Naval Park. Using my personal channel to respond and not the official Naval Park Channel. True about SSK246. We got her in 1988, spent a year working on her - changed out the decking, painting, etc...and opened her up for tourists in 1989. As with our three tour-able ships, she was converted from her original WWII configuration as a Gato Class to a Hunter/Killer in 1953, and was in service until 1971. Thanks so much - come on down and see her sometime! We will be released a 360 virtual tour with audio of her over the next month or so. Please check it out on the Buffalo Naval Park's Channel.
Agreed. It is important to remember and honor the Sullivan brothers' legacy and their sacrifice. We feel privileged to care for and maintain USS The Sullivans.
@@geofffikar3417 Thanks for watching and for your question! There was a family separation policy by the Navy already in place, but unfortunately, they broke that policy for the brothers. The story of the brothers had already made national news and their motto of "We Stick Together" was well known. The Navy succumbed to the public pressures to keep them together. Though, while the USS Juneau was in the Pacific, the Navy came to them several times asking them to reconsider. They didn't. But, the four Rogers brothers from Connecticut who were also on board did (two off-boarded, and two stayed). The two that left the ship survived the rest of the war. Thanks for your support!
Hello shipmates ! Sorry to say , The Navy is getting out of Museum Ship class. I belonged to the Adams Class Veterans Association . The Charles F Adams USS DDG 2 was in our hands about 7 years waiting to be designated Museum Ship status . After much hard work by dedicated volunteers from around thhe Country, The Navy said " No more Museum Ships " Just another way of the Big Executives wielding power over a great bunch of former Plank-owners , ships company through the years , and all the time and effort down the drain Every one of you , Thanks for your service .
Loved the collaboration. Would love to see you be able to do one with one of the SoDaks (Massachusetts or Alabama). The SoDaks and Iowas are so similar yet so different and that should make a good collab video.
Please, more videos like these. I guess if the USS New York had been preserved and displayed in Buffalo, they might get some support from the state as well. There are advantages to preserving a battleship in the same state it's named for.
That was a brilliant video! Thank you both. What were the relative crewing of the two ships for both ship's engine spaces? A collaborative video between the New Jersey and HMS Belfast, especially concerning their crews and doctrines afloat.
I enjoyed the video collaboration. It would have been nice to see more information about how a steam system works, and how the multiple fire rooms and engine rooms could be cross-connected. I currently serve on submarines, and cross-connected steam systems are of critical importance to our survivability. I heard that the steam and electric plant of the old Nautilus were heavily based on the survivability of WW2 destroyers, and it would be nice to get a better feel for how that worked back in the day. Edit: while I can recognize a turbo-generator, a reduction gear, or a reversible turbine engine (they haven't changed much in 60 years), I don't think many people can really picture what's going on inside the casing. Perhaps some cutaway diagrams?
This is so cool! Love the collaboration between y'all. Hope someday you could do a comparison between the New Jersey, and the Texas! I know that would be difficult given the status of the Texas right now. But someday I think it would be great too see! Thank you gentlemen!
Wonderful, enjoyed the explanation of the difference of the engineering plants. I have viewed the U.S.S. Kidd and observed her forward fireroom. I noticed that the U.S.S. Sullivan's has bulkhead entrances between compartments. Was this a change made after the war or made during construction? Thank you and continue when possible to show differences in ships operational designs. O.J.Hill
Sorry if it's been said already, but how about a New Jersey and battleship Texas collaboration? It would be cool to see the evolution in US battleship design.
Another great video! About demagnetizing a ship's hall. Never knew about this.! I Looked up what I could online, but the info was not answering my questions. I hope you'll consider doing a video on expanding this degaussing, it's purpose and how it worked, and how many times did it half to be performed, etc. And was this for the purpose of not attracting German mines to the hall of a ship? And how many coils does New Jersey have built in for this purpose?
Could you possibly make a video on differences between Iowa-class BBs? Since all are preserved, maybe the three other museums would be willing to cooperate in creating a video detailing some small and big differences in they way they were built and modernized?
We did a 3 part series on this: ua-cam.com/video/xsCyTInjNno/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/QADg9svj5Co/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/WpEzM6toklo/v-deo.html
Ron- seeing your degausing MG sets on the N.J. tickled a thought about using zinc or electric field for preventing galvanic corrosion. Since you've been under the whale, did you see new zincs when in dry dock?
Actually, normal configuration was HP turbine exhausting into LP turbine with the Astern Elements on each end of the LP being used for reverse. The Cruising Turbine was for long distance steaming to the Pacific areas of operation when there were no refueling ships around enroute, during WW2. We only used our Cruising configuration a very few times, and usually during trials and "economy runs" during the years I spent on the DD's. That DA Tank, or DFT is for deareating, or taking dissolved oxygen out of the condensed steam enroute to the feed system, it also serves as a preheat. I always wonder why these museum tincans always have just the aft plant open and not the forward (main control) plant. There is more interesting stuff up forward, cross-connect valves and such.
In the Sullivans, were the two forward turbines ever used together for more power, or were they always only run separately? Was the cruising turbine longer with more stages to get more energy out of the steam, but as a result, had to turn more slowly? But larger ships could have two turbines and a larger gearbox? Trying to figure out why this was done this way,
The topic of degausing the ship seems like it would make a good video. Why is it done and how important is it? How is it accomplished. Either way, great video.
We enjoyed working on this with you and look forward to having more opportunities for collaboration!
Thanks for being our first collaboration!
Perhaps comparisons between New Jersey and the modified Cleveland class Little Rock could be done at some point in the future.
Was enjoyable video. Interesting how many obvious similarities for common parts and training were used between the smallest and some of the largest ships the Navy manned. It's smart.
Great video!!! Thanks to you both for putting this together!! Innovative ideas like this will hopefully attract more interest and love for these ships, and help keep them figuratively and literally afloat for future generations... Bravo Zulu guys!!!
I can't wait to tour those ships again. It's been a while and watching the virtual tours of BBNJ has made me excited to see what kind of details might be found on the Little Rock or The Sullivans. :)
being a Buffalo native and walking by this ship almost everyday during lunch breaks....I love this video
Please do a collaboration video with every other Iowa class battleship. The sailor art aspect would make for an especially interesting comparison.
Surprised it wasn't mentioned in the video, but the Sullivans tragedy led to major reforms in the military... not only prohibiting siblings from serving in the same unit or ship, but affecting the policy of drafting sole surviving sons into the services. The idea that no family should pay such a heavy price ever again was the basis of the storyline in the movie Saving Private Ryan as well.
Thanks for releasing videos such as these, and keeping the history alive and well.
I just started working at the USS Hornet CV-12 museum in Alameda recently, and the New Jersey's engine room is much closer to what we have on board. I think if you guys wanted to do a "compare and contrast" with us, too, that would be SO awesome!
Surprising that no one mentions what a technical achievement the double-helical double-reduction gear main engines were. The USN was nearly 20 years ahead of everyone else here, the Brits didn't go there until post war. This allowed American plants to be far more efficient in space and weight per shaft horsepower. One of the reasons American ships typically had 2-3 times the range of Brits.
(My first ship, USS Koelsch FF-1049, I was M-Div, later MPA. Ended up the only EOOW qualified officer aboard her at the time.)
As a former electrician on a CG I appreciate what you do. You do an amazing job. The American Drachinifel. Thank you.
Wow, my first duty stations...I entered the Delayed Entry Program in July 1979. My first assignment was to help clean and paint the USS Little Rock for 2 weeks over the summer and once a month until I shipped to Boot Camp. Of course, I did tour USS The Sullivans during my lunch time. As a 17 year old from rural Western New York, this was the most exciting thing to me. Even chipping paint was fun! Later on, I learned I had "volunteered" to do this (yeah? ET1 Ball said it was an order!). I was recommended for promotion and was promoted out of Boot Camp to Seaman. Thank you Petty Officer Ball! Anyway, great to see these old ships again. I will have to visit in the future. I must say the Engine/fire room looks cleaner and safer than I recall. Great Job! Thank you for the Collaboration. QM1
The HP turbine is probably a Curtis Stage followed by a number of Rateau Stages. The HP turbine exhaust (usually running at a slight vacuum) is fed to the LP turbine which is a reaction turbine. This arrangement is more efficient than a single turbine feeding into a condenser. The astern turbine blades as mounted on the same shaft as the LP turbine blades and both share an exhaust to the condenser.
On newer designs the tank is called a de-aerating feed tank.
Very cool collaboration! Helping each other is the way to go!👍🇺🇸
Great! I am a shipsengineer who sailed forty years ago with steamturbines on container ships. And I have scratched build a Fletcher class destroyer. I have watched this video with great pleasure! Thank you and greetings from the Netherlands.
Thanks for joining us!
Absolutely fascinating guys! One of the two ships I served in was a gas turbine powered Spruance class destroyer. Even though I was a 'top sider' in Operations Department I spent a lot of time down in the engine rooms and there is frankly a world of difference between The Sullivans and my Caron. Our engines were comparable to the engines powering a 747 airliner, four of them cranking out 80,000 HP though our top speed was roughly the same as The Sullivans.
Shane, I know this has probably been suggested many times by visitors to the ship and to your website, but perhaps a comparative look at both DD-537 and the modern Arleigh Burke class The Sullivans, DDG-68 could be arranged (or maybe has done already.) Your lady looks like she is being well taken care of and is a treasure.
Hi Robert. This is Shane. I am writing to you from my personal channel, and am not representing the Naval Park officially. Thank you for that suggestion, comparing the "first" lady to the "second" lady (DDG-68.) I think that is a fabulous idea! Since DDG-68 is still in service, though, I can understand that certain areas would still be classified. Your suggestion does open the door to maybe do a comparison of the galley, or the mess deck! Excellent suggestion!
Staff and others at the Buffalo Naval Park have connections to DDG-68, so I may begin reaching out to them! Greatly appreciated - - glad you liked the video! Please visit our channel as well. We have no where near the amount of content that Ryan and Battleship New Jersey has, but we're working on it! Ryan was a great partner, and look forward to collaborating with them again - and other museum ships around the country and potentially in Canada too!
@@archbuff6289 Hi Shane. I didn't expect an answer especially so quickly. Hope all is well with you and yours.
I don't know where DDG-68 is right now, she might be on deployment to the Mediterranean or Caribbean. According to NAVSOURCE she's homeported in Mayport Florida, a somewhat longer jog from your homeport so a road trip could easily become an expensive proposition.
I think the ship's Public Affairs Officer or Executive Officer could be of assistance to you in acquiring photos for public use of the ship, both internally and externally. A comparison between crew berthing, mess decks and galley, maybe even engine rooms and so forth.
Physical size wise she is probably about midway between your destroyer and your cruiser. She's just over 500' long, 66' beam and displaces about 8300 tons. Her four LM-5000 engines are uprated versions of what we had in Caron (DD 970) providing 100,000 HP total.
At a guess I would think that the newer ship is probably very interested in establishing links with your lady. It can't hurt to ask ... true?
All the best sir from one 'Tin Can' man to another.
Sure miss those Spruances.... My first "at sea" was aboard O'Brien during her final shakedown... (Dad was a sonar guru at Long Beach Naval Shipyard, and ended up rejecting her sonar suite, so we went back to LB rather than SD...) But always loved those ships, even years later as I was alongside them during UNREPS. Shame that they met such a sad and untimely end.....
@@wheels-n-tires1846 Yeah, it is a shame that there is only ONE left in the world, all the rest have been scrapped or sunk. I attended the decommissioning of Caron just one month after the 9/11/01 terror attacks. All of us were hoping she would get a reprieve. She was still in very good condition and had that 61 cell MK-41 VLS forward making her capable of reaching well up into Afghanistan. One year later I learned she had been 'expended' (sunk) in explosives testing, gathering data to be used to improve the designs of the Zumwalt class and the Flight IIA and Flight III Arleigh Burke class.
Broke my heart.
I want to thank all of you who helped to put this together.
The Grandfather served in engineering on the U.S.S Canberra CA-70 during WW2. He got transferred to be a signalman and three days after the transfer, the ship was hit by an Aerial torpedo off Formosa, killing 20 in the Engine room.
😮 Wow!!!
Great to see this kind of collaboration. Please do more. Thumbs up for both museum ships!
I was on a Navy Reserve DD for a while. I was standing 6 hr on and 6 hr off engineering watches in the Fire (boiler) room. Midwatch and Afternoon watches. After a couple of weeks this part of the crew were so sleep deprived we were were zombies. These became the toughest watches I ever stood. 12 hrs a day in a sauna and no chance to get enough sleep.
awesome collaboration. would love to see more of these with other ships like Texas, Slater, etc...
We definitely plan to do more, have you seen our previous series we did on Slater?
Heres one: ua-cam.com/video/RQF3Gd_3tCM/v-deo.html
Thanks, guys. Definitely more collaborations!
Agreed. Great to see the comparisons, even if the size is so different,
Thank You , that was interesting . Having served on the U.S,S. Ranger Cv 61 I was amazed at how small the reduction gears and sstgs were. Again Thank You
The complexity and engineering required is incredible! Great video.
thanks a lot, I really enjoyed this comparison. when I served in Germany with no 1 Naval Air Squadron, a long long time ago, they still had a few Fletcher class DDs around.... and I had the great pleasure to visit USS Iowa when she came into port for a short visit, with her Ticonderoga class CG escort and an anti-sub Frigate. when she swung at anchor one could suddenly see how wide the BBs are. really a sight to behold... good to see that these BBs are being well cared for!
You gentlemen are soooo Kool. Thank you. USS The Sulivans'. The Only warship of the US Navy named for an entire Family.
Byron, this is Shane from the Buffalo Naval Park responding from my personal channel, as I don't have access to our official Buffalo Naval Park UA-cam Channel. Ultimately, yes - USS The Sullivans, DD-537 and also one currently in service, DDG-68, are the only ships named after more than one person. It's named for all five brothers who perished on USS Juneau. The USS John S. McCain, DDG-56 is in honor of all three members of the family - the two Admirals, and then they "added" the recently deceased politician, the grandson, and son of the first two. I think Ryan would agree when we say we have the best job in the world! Thanks for checking out the video. Glad you enjoyed!
@@archbuff6289 Thank you for your reply and information. As an honorably discharged US Navy veteran I appreciate all you do to bring our US Navy history to light. As a Aviation Machinist Mate I didn't have working knowledge of my shipmate duties in the boiler rooms or foxhole. Thank you for all You do to preserve USN history.
Cool collaboration. My family came from Buffalo and my niece has now served about 20 yrs in the USN. Never knew the museum in Buffalo existed but then I live on the West Coast and that museum did not exist when I went to visit the family that remained there. Thanks for the compare and contrast of both ships. Would love to see more collaborations.
Glad to see this. Something I did not have a clue about. Thanks Museum Ship leadership. And yes collaborations are really great.
Awesome job gentlemen. It's so nice to see two competitors (going for the same charity dollars) working together for the betterment of both organizations. Bravo Zulu!
I enjoyed the heck out of this, AND it was quite educational. I hope you do more of this in the future.
i think the collaboration idea is great thank you both!
I’d love to see a comparison on the fire control systems between the NJ and The Sulivans.
Yes wonderful collaboration. Thanks for making the effort so we can have the benefit to watch the videos.
As a Canadian lad from across the bridge in Fort Erie I loved the ships om display in Buffalo.
We look forward to welcoming you back to Buffalo in the future!
Great idea. More collab vids would be welcome. I'm sure this just scratches the surface of what's possible.
The third turbine is not just the astern turbine. The low pressure turbine is in the same case. After going through the HP and / or cruise turbine, steam goes through the low pressure (LP) turbine to the condenser when going forwards. The astern turbine also exhausts to the condenser opposite to the exhaust of the LP turbine.
The NJ LP turbine is also different in that it is a "double flow" turbine. A double flow unit has two turbines facing the opposite direction - steam enters the middle and goes to both ends to go to the condenser. Note the crossover pipe enters at the middle of the turbine, not at the end like the destroyer does. Double flow turbines are used when the last row blades would grow too long (unable to withstand the centripetal force) . By having the steam split into two directions, each half can have shorter blades. The astern turbine is only on one the forward end and exhausts only out the front exhaust hood.
35 years ago I was an engineer for GE Marine Department and had turbine cases off quite a few times. Clearly you have had them apart, too. We did reduction gears, Ship Service Turbine Generators, Reactor feed pumps, Variable Frequency Drives, etc.
Finally someone that knows what they are talking about!
The NJ curator may not be an engineer but he does not say things that are wrong.
I can not say that about the Buffalo curator...
Correct. The third turbine is the same as aboard New Jersey - a combination LP/Astern turbine. You can see the medium sized main steam pipng feeding the astern stage with the "Astern Turbine" sign hanging from it. You also see a very large pipe with a shamrock. This is the exhaust from the HP turbine which feeds the LP stage on the opposite side.
Also, the turbines do not clutch out of the reduction gear. So they are always turning, even if you are only feeding steam to the astern or cruising turbines. The cruising turbine is far more efficient in steam use at the low revs needed for low speed operation, the oil usage is insignificant
See fig 38-1 here: (since I can't post the image)
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@@josephpadula2283 Those of us who have served in navy steam powerplants are getting a wee tad long in the tooth.
Something I'd be curious about is if New Jersey has cruise stages in the HP turbine. Some warships had cruise stages at the front of the HP turbine. Effectively there was a cruise turbine and a HP turbine in one case. A single throttle control would open all valves to the cruise turbine, and as the HP turbine valves started opening, the cruse turbine would vent to the crossover. (The cruise turbine normally goes through the HP, making the HP an intermediate turbine.)
IIRC, the WWII fleet carriers were setup this way.
My Dad served on the New Jersey and destroyers during his 26 year career. This was fascinating and I'm looking for more. Good job!
Video quality is continuously improving, this is great guys! Great idea comparing the two ship, really enjoyed it.
Oh hey, I've actually gotten the chance to see the cool ships down at Buffalo before Covid hit! Great place overall and really something to be experienced in person.
Very well done on both ends! An interesting one would be the weapons systems on Little Rock versus New Jersey.
Also, if ever there chance you visit Iowa, Wisconsin, or even Missouri; do a video on differences between the ships of the same class, if there’s enough existing differences to do so. Or even what the other battleship museums have on display versus Nee Jersey.
I just put in my retirement papers as a Chief Engineer is the US Merchant Marine...
but the very first engine room that I ever qualified in -
was the 600 psi destroyer plant at Great Lakes Naval Station over 40 years ago.
That throttle board looks like a very old friend to me.
Highly informative. More, please.
My Grand Father was a Machinist Mate on CA-71 U.S.S. Quincy. Heavy Cruiser from the Baltimore Class. The New Orleans Class CA-39 U.S.S. Quincy One was sunk at the Battle Savo Islands.
I enjoyed watching this. Perhaps you can continue to compare other systems of the two ships.
I love your comparison of two ships. I am also amazed at how clean and tidy these old engine rooms are. Can you compare your engine room to older ships like the USS Olympia and USS Texas?
Really cool. I like the collaborative video.
I've also done some fire room and engine room work on a Gearing class destroyer museum ship and it is very similar.
Very much enjoyed the video. However, I would have liked to see more views of the engineering spaces. Some possible collaboration ideas could be, 5" fire control systems, CIC, pilot house, mess decks and crews berthing. Thanks again for all you do.
Another rich slice of naval history. Perfect
Awesome learning experience. When they open the border again, I'll have to visit that Buffalo Naval park. I never knew there was something so interesting just across the border.
Really enjoyed this collaboration thanks for the videos
Hay there I’m from Groton Croaker used to be a museum here before it went to Buffalo
Thanks for saying. I'm Shane the Curator at the Buffalo Naval Park. Using my personal channel to respond and not the official Naval Park Channel. True about SSK246. We got her in 1988, spent a year working on her - changed out the decking, painting, etc...and opened her up for tourists in 1989. As with our three tour-able ships, she was converted from her original WWII configuration as a Gato Class to a Hunter/Killer in 1953, and was in service until 1971. Thanks so much - come on down and see her sometime! We will be released a 360 virtual tour with audio of her over the next month or so. Please check it out on the Buffalo Naval Park's Channel.
The story behind that ship’s name is heartbreaking
Agreed. It is important to remember and honor the Sullivan brothers' legacy and their sacrifice. We feel privileged to care for and maintain USS The Sullivans.
@@BuffaloNavalPark I assume no entire
batch of family members could enlist on one ship ever again?
@@geofffikar3417 Thanks for watching and for your question! There was a family separation policy by the Navy already in place, but unfortunately, they broke that policy for the brothers. The story of the brothers had already made national news and their motto of "We Stick Together" was well known. The Navy succumbed to the public pressures to keep them together. Though, while the USS Juneau was in the Pacific, the Navy came to them several times asking them to reconsider. They didn't. But, the four Rogers brothers from Connecticut who were also on board did (two off-boarded, and two stayed). The two that left the ship survived the rest of the war. Thanks for your support!
That was a great presentation. I wish I could see it on other parts of the ships also, like the bridge, CIC, and magazine areas
Great comparisons. Keep up the good work and look forward to visiting when restrictions are lifted.
This was fun. Thanks for making it :)
The idea of a compratarive video between the two vessels is really amazing. Thanks a lot!
It's a fun comparison! I did't know there were so many interesting ships in Buffalo!
Great work. Was a BT on an Adams class. Very much the same
Hello shipmates ! Sorry to say , The Navy is getting out of Museum Ship class.
I belonged to the Adams Class Veterans Association . The Charles F Adams USS DDG 2 was in our hands about 7 years waiting to be designated Museum
Ship status . After much hard work by dedicated volunteers from around thhe
Country, The Navy said " No more Museum Ships " Just another way of the
Big Executives wielding power over a great bunch of former Plank-owners ,
ships company through the years , and all the time and effort down the drain
Every one of you , Thanks for your service .
It was sad to see the Adams go to Brownsville
This was awesome please do more of these videos
Really like the collaboration. And getting to see more technical parts of the ship. Could it be possible to do a collaboration with USS Yorktown?
We have it on our list for the future, also, we haven't seen you in a while, welcome back! Also, we love your username.
Lol, thanks! Got bogged down with work, and stuff for a while.
The Buffalo museum is very nice and is a must very sit for naval enthusiasts…
Loved the collaboration. Would love to see you be able to do one with one of the SoDaks (Massachusetts or Alabama). The SoDaks and Iowas are so similar yet so different and that should make a good collab video.
Psssst weve got Alabama coming up tomorrow
Please, more videos like these. I guess if the USS New York had been preserved and displayed in Buffalo, they might get some support from the state as well. There are advantages to preserving a battleship in the same state it's named for.
This is very interesting, Ryan and also much information in the comments as well... Thanks
Russ
Thanks for the great video.
These cooperations are lovely 😊
Thank you
Great video excellent collaboration.
Wow great collaboration video. I love it.
Intressting.
Thank you for sharing.
Best battleship class best destroyer class. Cool that the ship named after the brothers lives on today
That was a brilliant video! Thank you both. What were the relative crewing of the two ships for both ship's engine spaces? A collaborative video between the New Jersey and HMS Belfast, especially concerning their crews and doctrines afloat.
I enjoyed the video collaboration. It would have been nice to see more information about how a steam system works, and how the multiple fire rooms and engine rooms could be cross-connected. I currently serve on submarines, and cross-connected steam systems are of critical importance to our survivability. I heard that the steam and electric plant of the old Nautilus were heavily based on the survivability of WW2 destroyers, and it would be nice to get a better feel for how that worked back in the day.
Edit: while I can recognize a turbo-generator, a reduction gear, or a reversible turbine engine (they haven't changed much in 60 years), I don't think many people can really picture what's going on inside the casing. Perhaps some cutaway diagrams?
Clever idea to compare the two classes. Thanks.
Great video.
This is so cool! Love the collaboration between y'all. Hope someday you could do a comparison between the New Jersey, and the Texas! I know that would be difficult given the status of the Texas right now. But someday I think it would be great too see! Thank you gentlemen!
We're hopeful we will get to Texas this year.
i loved seeing these parts compared. i look forward to seeing more
Awesome collaboration you should do one amongst all the Iowa’s in June
This is really cool. Thank you for this.
Great concept video. Please do more.
I enjoyed this very much. As i have been a Steam Turbine Commissioning Engineer, on powerplants though.
Great video. Thanks 😊
Wonderful, enjoyed the explanation of the difference of the engineering plants. I have viewed the U.S.S. Kidd and observed her forward fireroom. I noticed that the U.S.S. Sullivan's has bulkhead entrances between compartments. Was this a change made after the war or made during construction? Thank you and continue when possible to show differences in ships operational designs. O.J.Hill
Love the episode, please do more!!!!
Great idea this collaboration video!
Really interesting thank you!!
Also funnily enough i'm pretty sure new jersey uses Babcock & Wilcox "M" Type Boilers, same as the fletcher forward fire room
yes. This type of video is very informative.
This was brilliant! Ryan, possible to do a future episode on degaussing? Because it sounds like magic, how does a motor do that?
Check this out ua-cam.com/video/KjFOY1uXDtI/v-deo.html
@@BattleshipNewJersey Thank you! Are the cables and equipment visible, or are they buried inside the steel of the hull?
They're not really visible
Sorry if it's been said already, but how about a New Jersey and battleship Texas collaboration? It would be cool to see the evolution in US battleship design.
This is so cool to watch
this was one of your best vids.
Love the format! How about a cruiser or a aircraft carrier as a comparison ship?
Now that was a cool idea. By all means do more!
More collaboration vids like this would be great.
Another great video! About demagnetizing a ship's hall. Never knew about this.! I Looked up what I could online, but the info was not answering my questions. I hope you'll consider doing a video on expanding this degaussing, it's purpose and how it worked, and how many times did it half to be performed, etc. And was this for the purpose of not attracting German mines to the hall of a ship? And how many coils does New Jersey have built in for this purpose?
_If a battleship can destroy destroyers, isn't it the destroyer?_
- Naval engineers in the 1910s, after their fifth glass of gin during lunch hour.
Could you possibly make a video on differences between Iowa-class BBs? Since all are preserved, maybe the three other museums would be willing to cooperate in creating a video detailing some small and big differences in they way they were built and modernized?
We did a 3 part series on this:
ua-cam.com/video/xsCyTInjNno/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/QADg9svj5Co/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/WpEzM6toklo/v-deo.html
Ron- seeing your degausing MG sets on the N.J. tickled a thought about using zinc or electric field for preventing galvanic corrosion. Since you've been under the whale, did you see new zincs when in dry dock?
Actually, normal configuration was HP turbine exhausting into LP turbine with the Astern Elements on each end of the LP being used for reverse. The Cruising Turbine was for long distance steaming to the Pacific areas of operation when there were no refueling ships around enroute, during WW2. We only used our Cruising configuration a very few times, and usually during trials and "economy runs" during the years I spent on the DD's. That DA Tank, or DFT is for deareating, or taking dissolved oxygen out of the condensed steam enroute to the feed system, it also serves as a preheat. I always wonder why these museum tincans always have just the aft plant open and not the forward (main control) plant. There is more interesting stuff up forward, cross-connect valves and such.
I love the comparison.
Might I suggest a comparison of the director systems? I.e. the brains of the ship?
Very interesting video!
In the Sullivans, were the two forward turbines ever used together for more power, or were they always only run separately? Was the cruising turbine longer with more stages to get more energy out of the steam, but as a result, had to turn more slowly? But larger ships could have two turbines and a larger gearbox? Trying to figure out why this was done this way,
The gear box. How is it working?
Tanks. Like this big ships.
Regards from a sofa in Sweden. 🙂
The topic of degausing the ship seems like it would make a good video. Why is it done and how important is it? How is it accomplished. Either way, great video.
Check this out ua-cam.com/video/KjFOY1uXDtI/v-deo.html