My great grandmother had boarded the Titanic with her sister and she had forgotten her watch at the hotel so went back to get thinking she had enough time to get back in the ship but the ship sailed 5 min before she was able to get back, her sister, mother, and brother in law and brother in law and mother died that night in the Titanic. If she has not went back for her watch I wouldn't be here today. I got to meet her she was an incredible person.
A lot of these items seem very suspicious. They look more like pre-made decoy items that look like they resemble as the items from the sinking ship.. 😕 And how is the purse not have holes nor kind of tearing on it and why does it look so brand new? Also, the documents look very sketchy too. The paper was supposed to break down into absolutely nothing after being it was trapped down there for decades. Hmmmmm idk about this titanic myth
Bones dissolve in water, because bones are made of calcium. When water is calcium poor such as water near the sea floor it will pull calcium from anything consisting of it. Bones, shells, you name it. The bones of the victims dissolved long ago. Don’t pretend like you’re an expert if you have no idea what you’re talking about
@@RowdyJr I read a story about some luggage that was brought up and the curators said that the way the bags were tanned helped preserve the item perfectly. Because the bag leather was protected, so were the items inside. I've seen some of these things when they were on tour. Simply amazing to see what can be salvaged.
@@Drakelx55 He was obviously reflecting on the fact that its amazing how things outlast the owner and none of us is here forever, but you chose to act like a nerdy bully.
Fashionable bag for 1912. Still in good condition in-spite of being under saltwater for 73 years. Superior quality leather and craftsmanship helped it to endure the rough conditions at bottom of the sea.
@@paulanstett9066 Yes, the ship sank 112 years ago, and unless the bag was purchased new in 1912, it likely predates that year, making it older. The OP was referencing that the bag sat under water for 73 years (1912 - 1985) before being recovered from the shipwreck/sea floor. In actuality, the bag sat under water for 88 years as it was recovered in 2000.
Who knows when the bag was retrieved, those kinds of things weren’t brought up in 1985 because Dr. Ballard wasn’t into disturbing gravesites. He apparently did not bring anything up from the wreck except video.
It’s absolutely incredible that despite everything that happened that night and the amount of time these objects spent underwater that even pieces of paper managed to survive and still be readable.
@@julierogers1155 its because the organisms that would eat the paper are repelled by leather - anything that was in a leather folder, purse or wallet would absolutely survive for hundreds of years down there! :)
It said what her job was so she did tedious work on hats and such. i bet she had a very good quality bag that kept water out. She probably had those papers in another pouch inside that bag that sealed with whatever material they had then. because those papers were very important for when she would have arrived arrived. Back then people really took care of things because paperwork wasn't replaceable and you couldn't just call.
Thats incredible. Really eerie seeing the 3rd class passengers ticket being changed from the Majestic to the Titanic. Amazing its survived so long down there. 1:23
@@antonioacevedo5200 Exactly right. Doubt todays kinds would do it. Must be more things down there being protected. Amazing under such pressure it still exists
It's so fascinating + unsettling how well preserved some parts of the ship were. Creepiest image for me is in one of the passenger cabins there was a glass standing upright on the side. Every day the ship's staff would leave fresh glasses upside down, so the implication is that whoever stayed in that cabin drank from the glass and set it down the day of the sinking, where it's stayed perfectly preserved in that same spot on the bottom of the ocean for more than a century.
There is a Titanic museum with a large collection of artifacts, including deck chairs in Halifax, Nova Scotia. There are 2 cemetaries, also in Halifax, where some from the Titanic are buried. Halifax is where the rescue ships made port after the disaster.
going there next month. Have been to belfast Titanic museum twice which relies on digital mainly and the graving dock was very moving. also Southampton and various exhibitions., even worked near where the london enquiry took place, she left from Roche's point near Queenstown i feel a connection as we all do for so many reasons.
@@TheThatoneguy12121That's every so called "american" that you will come across on a day-to-day basis 😂😂 I'm from north america and I don't know why I have to be part of this stupid country full of contradictive brain rots while eating and drinking red 40 and other contaminated food on a daily basis lmao.
Since this video completely negates the importance of the bag's owner, Marion (Marian) Ogden Meanwell (December 7, 1849 to April 15, 1912 aged 62 years) was a milliner and dressmaker born in Ramsbottom Lancashire in 1849, she lived in Yorkshire and moved to London for many years until deciding to move to the United States in late 1911 to support her recently widowed daughter. Originally intending to sail on The Majestic she was transferred to The Titanic due to an ongoing coal strike at the time causing delays in sea travel. She did not survive the sinking of the RMS Titanic, her bag shown here was recovered/looted from the debris field in 2000.
I'm impressed that a news agency showed the only actual known video footage of Titanic rather than the typical Olympic footage they try to use in her place.
They should photograph every single artifact and create a digital archive people can look through. Why keep all these objects hidden in a secret location where we can’t see them. A digital archive would allow people to virtually see them without revealing their location
@robertstallard7836 Sounds like you're a stakeholder in the project. If so, you could take his comment as an indication of potential profits unrealized if the concept of furthering the public access to all the artifacts for its own sake isn't inspiring to you. Either way, I think his contribution to the conversation is valuable. I found it thought-provoking, because I hadn't stopped to think how much people really feel that the story of the Titanic is important enough that they would ask questions like that about public access to the artifacts -- not because the public owns them, but because to some degree, there is a shared sense of responsibility related to the subject of access to all the information about it. We still don't know what truly happened, and it's not an unimportant question. A distant relative of mine who worked in the kitchen was lost on Titanic, and the feeling of not knowing the truth of why he died and needing to know/see/learn everything possible about it feels very important, so imagining what people's CLOSE relatives feel, times thousands, I'd say his point is important to me, and much, much more important to countless others. The private company can do whatever it likes. But, seemingly, the degree to which it responds to the public with anger rather than assistance may be the degree to which the company misses the mark of true greatness, a real legacy worth its effort.
If I had family on the Titanic who died, I'd be ok with remembering them and the Titanic, so these pieces I'm glad they brought up instead of just turning into nothing.
@@ravenel2 Depends. Some people wanted them to try and retrieve bodies because of religious beliefs even back then. Even just being able to bury something their loved one owned was rather significant. Many of these people were deeply religious either Russian Orthodox, Irish Catholics, or Jews. All having their own sort of rules about handling deaths and stuff. I think some people would have had something to bury at least. But as not everyone can visit the graves in Hallifax or somewhere, having the relics even in a museum can feel like paying respects to the dead.
I was a professional acquaintance of the late Arnie Geller of RMS Titanic, Inc. His expertise in the entertainment business made these exhibitions possible. He was a wonderful character and a kind man. I hope the artefacts continue to be exhibited the world over, for many years to come.
This maybe a grave but none of them wanted to die this way or chose their fate. If we can remember them by the smallest of the details, then it is the right thing to do. Bring back items that are still intact and throw light around the people that owned or made them. It's an honorable thing that the team is doing down there.
@@GregB419 How is this stealing from the dead? There are no human remains at the wreck site. What good was Marion's bag doing disintegrating on the sea bed? Recovering the artefacts is preserving the memory of the tragic incident and those that perished.
2:04 the rivet theory has proven time and again to be a bunch of baloney. The steel/rivets were not sub-standard for the time. Titanic and her sister Olympic were build side by side. Olympic was made of the exact same steel as Titanic. She had a long and prosperous career of 24 years earning her the nickname ''old reliable''. Olympic even rammed and sunk a U-boat in WW1.
@@BranBMPBelfast already has the Titanic museum dedicated to her creation and story. Not to mention it’s right outside her birth place and the city has countless sites related to her construction and history. It makes more sense for them to go there rather than having the English build a brand new multi million dollar institution from scratch.
Most of this footage is R.M.S. Olympic. A clear example is at 3:55 when the tugs names are scratched out in the film. This is because their port of registry on the stern showed New York, and of course, Titanic never made it to New York. The Second Class Promenade also had a last-minute change to put in a screened in section, however on Olympic, these were all open, as seen in the video shown.
We all now know that there are no contemporary accounts of anyone stating that the Titanic was unsinkable, over and above other large liners, and that this idea came much later, but she still trotted the "thought to be unsinkable" line yet again!
Umm no haha news papers before Titanic had even set sail had used the unsinkable ship as headlines and the White Star line company used it in advertising. Of course those who owned and built it knew it to not be true, but did consider it be unlikely.
"Contrary to popular mythology, Titanic was never described as "unsinkable" without qualification until after she sank. Three trade publications (one of which was probably never published) described Titanic as "practically" unsinkable prior to her sinking. Many survivors recalled in video interviews as well as in testimony that they had considered the ship "unsinkable". Shipbuilder Harland and Wolff did not claim she was unsinkable, but a promotional item from the White Star Line stressed the safety of Olympic and Titanic, claiming that "as far as it is possible to do so, these two wonderful vessels are designed to be unsinkable"." - Wikipedia
There were 2,224 people on the Titanic, but there was only enough space on the 20 lifeboats for 1,178 (or about 53%) of them, & yet only 710 (or about 32%) people survived the sinking of the ship. Also, if you haven't already, look up the 1958 film A Night To Remember since it's essentially the Titanic movie that inspired James Cameron to make his movie.
Well that why it wouldn't of mattered if there was enough lifeboats, they didn't have enough time to use all the ones that were already on there. There was at least 3 lifeboats still on the Titanic unused.
Maritime rules of the day didn't require lifeboats for everyone. In reality, White Star Line put more than was necessary (yeah I know, how magnanimous of them). This continues to be a cautionary tale on all levels against those that say that industry doesn't require regulations. After the disaster: 1) Lifeboats for everyone - regardless of the age or class or gender. 2) Creation of an arctic patrol to monitor iceberg traffic (I think they just shut down operations this year). 3) Radio operators must be on duty 24/7; 4) All standard transatlantic shipping/sailing routes to be shifted further south and restricted from going that far north.
A correction to the story. The idea that the Titanic was "unsinkable" came from a newspaper story only after the Titanic sank. No one at White Star Line, or Harland and Wolff ever said it was unsinkable.
people have no problem digging up ancient graves with mummified remains and looting the site for museums to display in the name of science, this is really no different
FYI. The historian mentioned brittle rivets which has since been debunked. The impact was so great rivets made little difference. That's like saying if you had a Kevlar vest on instead of a sweater the cannon ball would not have cut you in half. Nope. The cannon ball is still going to cut you in half vest or not. The force of Titanic's impact against the ice was immense.
Wow. The less than quality rivets, something so small could have possibly caused something so big to happen. Sort of like the Orings in the Challenger that exploded just after take-off on a cold January day. What is so fascinating is the bag, its beautiful and the info inside it, still intact. Basically, the bag told the story of its owner, who she was, why she was on the Tanitic. So sad she was visiting her daughter who had become recently widowed and this woman, never arrived to see her daughter.
Because somehow some American private company claimed the wreck and the US court handed the ship to them. Even though the ship was registered in the UK.
I was going to say this too but then I found out that even though the titanic was Irish built British registered, unfortunately it was American owned so they can claim it
What brand is that bag? The craftsmanship is incredible to last underwater for such a long period of time. I would have expected the leather to have swollen and fallen apart.
I’m glad they are retrieving items from the titanic as the ship its self will not be around much longer. Rust is claiming her and I read somewhere that a wave of sand is slowly making its way that direction and it will cover the wreckage.
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2:16 “substandard materials” is incorrect. The ship builders took pride in their work and built every ship to a high standard. The reason the metals were composed that way was because that was the peak of metallurgy in the early 1900. I hate seeing this rumor propagated.
Molly Brown, a devoted Catholic who insisted under threats of violence to row their lifeboat back to pick up survivors in the water. The English crewman in the boat was particularly rude to her for suggesting they do the Christian thing
Rest in peace, Hamish Harding and the Titan crew. While many may have forgotten your names, your tragic end reminds us of the risks taken in the pursuit of adventure. You deserved to be remembered not just as a statistic, but as individuals who sought to uncover the mysteries of the deep due to the love of Titanic.
Robert Ballard the man that discovered the titanic always said his biggest regret was not putting in a salvage claim for the titanic. He never wanted to disturb anything and thought it was a very sacred site, he just thought that no one else would go down there so he thought everything was safe but then someone did and now they have the rights to it all. Taking up artifacts and peoples personal belongings for profit, he says is disgusting and should never been done.
@ If it was a museum that you could go for free then I would agree with you, but it's a company that makes millions of dollars a year showing off all the artifacts they have taken from sea floor. It's a very lucrative company and has made the owners very rich.
Not the rivet thing again... The rivets were as good as the steelmaking technology of the day allowed, perhaps only "substandard" compared to the modern steelmaking process.
Titanic movable museum was great concept .. I was fortunate enough to experience it in Singapore … my boarding pass name was someone from Scottish women singer travelling to USA to be a Star … ..unfortunately she could not make it .. ……… also she managed to get on to second class …. From lower class … I still remember those China white dish ……… Very spiritual and interesting museum journey for me
I know right? All the interesting artifacts and they show us actual garbage. The bag was fascinating, I'd love to see more personal items like that and get more of a glimpse into the lives of the actual passengers.
Did you watch on mute? The purse contained a health card which is incredibly relevant in our post-covid world, the dinnerware is a stark reminder of the difference in social class aboard the Titanic, which crudely could have made the difference between life and death for someone, and most fascinating of all are the rivets. It's about construction and engineering, and the impact that cutting corners can have on the wellbeing of thousands of people. Just because something isn't 'pretty' doesn't mean it's not interesting.
@@ViolentRainbow And zero detail on the purse. Who made it? Is the black due to decay or did she really have a solid black handbag? For 3rd class steerage, that would be a fair fancy thing to have. The whole, "Each piece tells a story" but then give us no story. Blah.
World War 2 stats: An estimated total of 70-85 million people perished, or about 3% of the estimated global population of 2.3 billion in 1940. Civilian deaths totaled 50-55 million.
Am avut ocazia să văd in 2017,ianuarie ,o expozitie cu obiecte de pe Titanic,chiar in oraşul in care locuiesc,expozitia a fost deschisă cam 2-3 săptămâni,o adevărată incursiune in timp!
Funny they always bring up grave site respect. But no one ever does this ever when digging out mummies in Egypt or when Anthropologists did up bones or fossilized humans or Peruvian mummies of young girls in the Andes. Funny is that. Pick and chose and relativize it away based on whatever the need and then fall back on that it benefits science or cultural study. Laughable really.
Yes the color of the kislux is beautiful and it is a great decision, maybe one day they will add feet and straps. It would be nice to have a bigger bag during the colder months when we have to store gloves, beanies, scarves, etc…
Not that tired old trope about the ship having sunk because of impurities in the steel of the rivets. Give me a break. Why don't you tell me next about how her rudder was 'undersized'.
I remember when they first found the Titanic they said they would leave it untouched for respect of the dead and would not go grave robbing what happened there, MONEY i suppose some items ending up in a auction selling for millions trinkets for the rich. Total disrespect for the dead
i remember that as well, turns out they didnt find any of the dead so their stuff is up for grabs......as long as they make an attempt to find a relative to return it to but i doubt they ever will
This stuff is worth millions even items as small as keys have sold for over 100k! There were also multiple firearms small revolvers recovered from the wreck each worth 500k plus.
The rivets had nothing to do with the sinking, and the total area of the ship opened up by the iceberg was minuscule, it was just catastrophically long. It was only 1.2m square, smaller than your average door.
Except for the substandard rivets. Had they used top-quality rivets, maybe the Titanic would have only suffered minor damage from the iceberg collision. People were cutting corners back then as well...
Actually going to the Titanic museum in Southampton today where the ship set sail from, then going to Belfast later in the week to see where the ship was built and yet another museum.
grave recollecting? idk but I'm betting we're doing it because we won a bid for it,because who can dump out more cash than capitalists? obviously multiple parties would want it,but biggest bid usually wins,and who's got more money than the USA?
anything that identifies where a person came to rest,ie leather belts,shoes,etc. Those spots should be left alone,anything else,sure,bring it to the surface.
Why is this stuff in a secret location but famous paintings etc are public? Makes me think what we see in public are just dupes if they are hiding debris from the titanic this badly.
My great grandmother had boarded the Titanic with her sister and she had forgotten her watch at the hotel so went back to get thinking she had enough time to get back in the ship but the ship sailed 5 min before she was able to get back, her sister, mother, and brother in law and brother in law and mother died that night in the Titanic. If she has not went back for her watch I wouldn't be here today. I got to meet her she was an incredible person.
Wow..
Wow. What a story
@@barkamber554 Gosh, I never heard that before, amazing. Thank you for sharing.
My goodness.very interesting experience.
Thanks for sharing.
A bag survived, while not even the bones of its owner remained. We truly are all passengers here
Well said.
A lot of these items seem very suspicious. They look more like pre-made decoy items that look like they resemble as the items from the sinking ship.. 😕 And how is the purse not have holes nor kind of tearing on it and why does it look so brand new? Also, the documents look very sketchy too. The paper was supposed to break down into absolutely nothing after being it was trapped down there for decades. Hmmmmm idk about this titanic myth
Bones dissolve in water, because bones are made of calcium. When water is calcium poor such as water near the sea floor it will pull calcium from anything consisting of it. Bones, shells, you name it. The bones of the victims dissolved long ago. Don’t pretend like you’re an expert if you have no idea what you’re talking about
@@RowdyJr I read a story about some luggage that was brought up and the curators said that the way the bags were tanned helped preserve the item perfectly. Because the bag leather was protected, so were the items inside. I've seen some of these things when they were on tour. Simply amazing to see what can be salvaged.
@@Drakelx55 He was obviously reflecting on the fact that its amazing how things outlast the owner and none of us is here forever, but you chose to act like a nerdy bully.
My grandmother was late getting on the titanic she later took the sister ship which is why I’m here today!
And lovely ☺️ it is that you are 😊
Don't you regret being born? 😊
wowww this sick
And your grandfather survived the great war which is why you are here today
@@ilynpayne7491such an insensitive thing to say!
Fashionable bag for 1912. Still in good condition in-spite of being under saltwater for 73 years. Superior quality leather and craftsmanship helped it to endure the rough conditions at bottom of the sea.
73 years? I think it’s over 100 years ago?
@@paulanstett9066 Yes, the ship sank 112 years ago, and unless the bag was purchased new in 1912, it likely predates that year, making it older. The OP was referencing that the bag sat under water for 73 years (1912 - 1985) before being recovered from the shipwreck/sea floor. In actuality, the bag sat under water for 88 years as it was recovered in 2000.
@@paulanstett9066 it was discovered in 1985
Who knows when the bag was retrieved, those kinds of things weren’t brought up in 1985 because Dr. Ballard wasn’t into disturbing gravesites. He apparently did not bring anything up from the wreck except video.
@@LeoNaRdOBarRuGA The ship, not all the artifacts.
It’s absolutely incredible that despite everything that happened that night and the amount of time these objects spent underwater that even pieces of paper managed to survive and still be readable.
I thought the same thing about the paper! HOW IS THAT?!
@@julierogers1155 its because the organisms that would eat the paper are repelled by leather - anything that was in a leather folder, purse or wallet would absolutely survive for hundreds of years down there! :)
It said what her job was so she did tedious work on hats and such. i bet she had a very good quality bag that kept water out. She probably had those papers in another pouch inside that bag that sealed with whatever material they had then. because those papers were very important for when she would have arrived arrived. Back then people really took care of things because paperwork wasn't replaceable and you couldn't just call.
@@trishbaum6364 lmao, can imagine you saying the same thing about ancient egypt
its so deep and cold and under pressure some items are preserved perfectly, there are loads of shoes as well but no bones in them
Her: i cant reveal my location
Also her: ATLANTA 🗣️
Top secret location! No one knows where Atlanta is apparently
Also, naming the company and employees. 🤣
somones going to figure out when she was in Atlanta and find her cell phone ping location.
Yeah first thing I thought of 😂
Atlanta is massive
Thats incredible. Really eerie seeing the 3rd class passengers ticket being changed from the Majestic to the Titanic. Amazing its survived so long down there. 1:23
It was clearly insulated by the high quality of materials that made up the purse.
@@antonioacevedo5200 Exactly right. Doubt todays kinds would do it. Must be more things down there being protected. Amazing under such pressure it still exists
@@Greenpoloboy3 I think that what made such an impression on me were what appeared to be water stains on the documents.
@@antonioacevedo5200 That is true. Its eerie seeing marks like that. Something you can look at for so long thinking about the story this could tell
It's so fascinating + unsettling how well preserved some parts of the ship were. Creepiest image for me is in one of the passenger cabins there was a glass standing upright on the side. Every day the ship's staff would leave fresh glasses upside down, so the implication is that whoever stayed in that cabin drank from the glass and set it down the day of the sinking, where it's stayed perfectly preserved in that same spot on the bottom of the ocean for more than a century.
@@Steph-zo5zk In Belfast you can visit a Titanic "room" with beds, sink etc.
There is a Titanic museum with a large collection of artifacts, including deck chairs in Halifax, Nova Scotia. There are 2 cemetaries, also in Halifax, where some from the Titanic are buried. Halifax is where the rescue ships made port after the disaster.
I used to walk through that cemetery as a short cut going to school
going there next month. Have been to belfast Titanic museum twice which relies on digital mainly and the graving dock was very moving. also Southampton and various exhibitions., even worked near where the london enquiry took place, she left from Roche's point near Queenstown i feel a connection as we all do for so many reasons.
@@fanroche8573there's also an exhibit in Liverpool about the Titanics link there. It's very good
I went to that maritime museum in Halifax, it’s super interesting but sadly the titanic portion is a bit small. Still worth the visit.
The rescue ships went to New York. Halifax was the port for the recovery ships. They recovered bodies primarily.
She couldn’t tell us where she is, but “this warehouse is somewhere in Atlanta.” 😂
I read your comment right after she said that! Like come on! How stupid. I know it's not an exact location but really?
She would be no good at keeping a secret
@@TheThatoneguy12121That's every so called "american" that you will come across on a day-to-day basis 😂😂 I'm from north america and I don't know why I have to be part of this stupid country full of contradictive brain rots while eating and drinking red 40 and other contaminated food on a daily basis lmao.
You know Atlanta is a big, sprawling city, right?
So if I tell you that I'm in Atlanta, you'll know exactly where to find me?
Since this video completely negates the importance of the bag's owner, Marion (Marian) Ogden Meanwell (December 7, 1849 to April 15, 1912 aged 62 years) was a milliner and dressmaker born in Ramsbottom Lancashire in 1849, she lived in Yorkshire and moved to London for many years until deciding to move to the United States in late 1911 to support her recently widowed daughter. Originally intending to sail on The Majestic she was transferred to The Titanic due to an ongoing coal strike at the time causing delays in sea travel. She did not survive the sinking of the RMS Titanic, her bag shown here was recovered/looted from the debris field in 2000.
Thank you for telling us about her in detail
Wow she was born exactly 140 years before me 😮
Rest in peace Marion, it’s thanks your your bag that we know who you are and are able to remember you
Wow her poor daughter.
@@b5896keetalk about bad luck! Such a shame
I love everything about the titantic. Im always learning new things
How about that it was the Olympic…
Everything? Including the fact that 1,517 people died?
Me too. Did you know the ship identified as non-binary, not female like most ships, and its pronouns were bull and shit?
You love all the death?
@@Comment2023-kr2luit says 2k in the bio
Rest in peace, Miss NemoL.
Her poor daughter… Losing her husband and then losing her mother so soon after
And now, somewhere down there, lies little pieces of the oceangate sub
freaky
@@mantronixtube I know
Not somewhere, its right next to titanic
And echoes of Stockton Rush's, '*%#@!', ringing throughout eternity.
It's fascinating and eerie at the same time.
Learn something new everyday! The substandard bolts that “burst” the seam of the ship, when “exposed to the cold” makes perfect sense of sinking
I'm impressed that a news agency showed the only actual known video footage of Titanic rather than the typical Olympic footage they try to use in her place.
Yeah, I've noticed that too
Maybe the BBC is trying to up their game..
I don't get it?
There is nearly no fotage of the Titanic so most documentaries use the sister ship olympic@@PotatoPirate123
Or IS the Olympic the Titanic? I recall a very convincing argument that the two ships may have been switched.
They should photograph every single artifact and create a digital archive people can look through. Why keep all these objects hidden in a secret location where we can’t see them. A digital archive would allow people to virtually see them without revealing their location
@robertstallard7836 Sounds like you're a stakeholder in the project. If so, you could take his comment as an indication of potential profits unrealized if the concept of furthering the public access to all the artifacts for its own sake isn't inspiring to you. Either way, I think his contribution to the conversation is valuable. I found it thought-provoking, because I hadn't stopped to think how much people really feel that the story of the Titanic is important enough that they would ask questions like that about public access to the artifacts -- not because the public owns them, but because to some degree, there is a shared sense of responsibility related to the subject of access to all the information about it. We still don't know what truly happened, and it's not an unimportant question. A distant relative of mine who worked in the kitchen was lost on Titanic, and the feeling of not knowing the truth of why he died and needing to know/see/learn everything possible about it feels very important, so imagining what people's CLOSE relatives feel, times thousands, I'd say his point is important to me, and much, much more important to countless others. The private company can do whatever it likes. But, seemingly, the degree to which it responds to the public with anger rather than assistance may be the degree to which the company misses the mark of true greatness, a real legacy worth its effort.
This is genuinely the coolest idea!!!!
Great idea!
Selling tickets helps fund the costs involved in storage and archiving. That's why.
@@peecee1384 They could sell online archival access and make much more, though, with an audience of 8 billion. They're welcome.
Crazy to think some dude survived hours in the water just because he got incredibly intoxicated as the Titanic sank.
Chief Baker Charles Joughin
@@mrrandom1265 That's the one.
Drinking saved a life that day 😅
Baker
Drinking lowers your body temperature, doesn't raise it.
If I had family on the Titanic who died, I'd be ok with remembering them and the Titanic, so these pieces I'm glad they brought up instead of just turning into nothing.
Everyone’s okay with it now because time has passed. You’d feel differently if it was your spouse or dad that everyone was digging up.
@@ravenel2 Depends. Some people wanted them to try and retrieve bodies because of religious beliefs even back then. Even just being able to bury something their loved one owned was rather significant. Many of these people were deeply religious either Russian Orthodox, Irish Catholics, or Jews. All having their own sort of rules about handling deaths and stuff. I think some people would have had something to bury at least.
But as not everyone can visit the graves in Hallifax or somewhere, having the relics even in a museum can feel like paying respects to the dead.
I was a professional acquaintance of the late Arnie Geller of RMS Titanic, Inc. His expertise in the entertainment business made these exhibitions possible. He was a wonderful character and a kind man. I hope the artefacts continue to be exhibited the world over, for many years to come.
This maybe a grave but none of them wanted to die this way or chose their fate. If we can remember them by the smallest of the details, then it is the right thing to do. Bring back items that are still intact and throw light around the people that owned or made them. It's an honorable thing that the team is doing down there.
It is truly disgusting. Stealing from the dead. Grave robbing above ground is illegal. It should be under as well. This is truly vile
@@GregB419 It is not a grave site, it is an accident scene.
@@GregB419 To be honest, everything we see in museums is taken from the departed. :/
@@GregB419 How is this stealing from the dead? There are no human remains at the wreck site. What good was Marion's bag doing disintegrating on the sea bed? Recovering the artefacts is preserving the memory of the tragic incident and those that perished.
Yes!!!!
2:04 the rivet theory has proven time and again to be a bunch of baloney. The steel/rivets were not sub-standard for the time. Titanic and her sister Olympic were build side by side. Olympic was made of the exact same steel as Titanic. She had a long and prosperous career of 24 years earning her the nickname ''old reliable''. Olympic even rammed and sunk a U-boat in WW1.
These should be in the Titanic Museum in Belfast, Northern Ireland (Where the ship was conceived and constructed).
The ship is actually British 😂🎉 should be in England
Like Indy said: 'It belongs in a museum!' 🤣
@@BranBMP I know but it was still built in Belfast and it makes more sense for the items to be there.
@@BranBMPBelfast already has the Titanic museum dedicated to her creation and story. Not to mention it’s right outside her birth place and the city has countless sites related to her construction and history. It makes more sense for them to go there rather than having the English build a brand new multi million dollar institution from scratch.
@@BranBMPbelfast🎉is in the😢United Kingdom 😮😮😮you tard❤
Most of this footage is R.M.S. Olympic. A clear example is at 3:55 when the tugs names are scratched out in the film. This is because their port of registry on the stern showed New York, and of course, Titanic never made it to New York. The Second Class Promenade also had a last-minute change to put in a screened in section, however on Olympic, these were all open, as seen in the video shown.
We all now know that there are no contemporary accounts of anyone stating that the Titanic was unsinkable, over and above other large liners, and that this idea came much later, but she still trotted the "thought to be unsinkable" line yet again!
Umm no haha news papers before Titanic had even set sail had used the unsinkable ship as headlines and the White Star line company used it in advertising. Of course those who owned and built it knew it to not be true, but did consider it be unlikely.
"Contrary to popular mythology, Titanic was never described as "unsinkable" without qualification until after she sank. Three trade publications (one of which was probably never published) described Titanic as "practically" unsinkable prior to her sinking. Many survivors recalled in video interviews as well as in testimony that they had considered the ship "unsinkable". Shipbuilder Harland and Wolff did not claim she was unsinkable, but a promotional item from the White Star Line stressed the safety of Olympic and Titanic, claiming that "as far as it is possible to do so, these two wonderful vessels are designed to be unsinkable"." - Wikipedia
The "Titan" submersible was unsinkable… until it did.
Loved the bag, a real quality piece that would be still super fashionable today!
I STILL LOVE LEARNING ABOUT THE TITANIC!!!
Me too
@@johnbehneman1546 Here in Belfast we are told the story as children. Our home overlooked the shipyard which is actually quite small.
There were 2,224 people on the Titanic, but there was only enough space on the 20 lifeboats for 1,178 (or about 53%) of them, & yet only 710 (or about 32%) people survived the sinking of the ship. Also, if you haven't already, look up the 1958 film A Night To Remember since it's essentially the Titanic movie that inspired James Cameron to make his movie.
Should the Titanic wreckage be left alone?
Yes✅
No
These letters and that warehouse belongs to the Rothschild's. Type into Google Rothschild's archives see what you get
Well that why it wouldn't of mattered if there was enough lifeboats, they didn't have enough time to use all the ones that were already on there. There was at least 3 lifeboats still on the Titanic unused.
Maritime rules of the day didn't require lifeboats for everyone. In reality, White Star Line put more than was necessary (yeah I know, how magnanimous of them). This continues to be a cautionary tale on all levels against those that say that industry doesn't require regulations.
After the disaster:
1) Lifeboats for everyone - regardless of the age or class or gender.
2) Creation of an arctic patrol to monitor iceberg traffic (I think they just shut down operations this year).
3) Radio operators must be on duty 24/7;
4) All standard transatlantic shipping/sailing routes to be shifted further south and restricted from going that far north.
@@gardien00001 did you know there was two Titanic's built after they both sank my grandma was born on the day the Titanic sunk
A correction to the story. The idea that the Titanic was "unsinkable" came from a newspaper story only after the Titanic sank. No one at White Star Line, or Harland and Wolff ever said it was unsinkable.
Inanimate objects can be retrieved and displayed. It’s not necessary to leave them buried in the sea to show respect.
Agreed. Eventually it will just degrade and be destroyed overtime.
people have no problem digging up ancient graves with mummified remains and looting the site for museums to display in the name of science, this is really no different
I agree and besides what if serving descendants want to claim them?
These should be placed in a standing exhibit that people can visit.
FYI. The historian mentioned brittle rivets which has since been debunked. The impact was so great rivets made little difference. That's like saying if you had a Kevlar vest on instead of a sweater the cannon ball would not have cut you in half. Nope. The cannon ball is still going to cut you in half vest or not. The force of Titanic's impact against the ice was immense.
I don't think removing items to save, respect, n showcase for educational purposes is disrespectful. Forgetting would be.
Wow. The less than quality rivets, something so small could have possibly caused something so big to happen. Sort of like the Orings in the Challenger that exploded just after take-off on a cold January day. What is so fascinating is the bag, its beautiful and the info inside it, still intact. Basically, the bag told the story of its owner, who she was, why she was on the Tanitic. So sad she was visiting her daughter who had become recently widowed and this woman, never arrived to see her daughter.
Why aren't these items back in the UK? Seems like that's where it should be. Speaking as an American.
Because somehow some American private company claimed the wreck and the US court handed the ship to them. Even though the ship was registered in the UK.
oh easy explanation, one word.
money.
I'm guessing we bought it out and won a bid,because if us americans do something well, it's capitalism.
Because the ship was heading to USA anyways 🇺🇸 so the items eventually made it 🇺🇸 also we own the world 🇺🇸
Because the ship was heading to USA anyways 🇺🇸 so the items eventually made it 🇺🇸 also we own the world 🇺🇸
@@EIonMusk1lol😂
Why is America keeping them all, it’s also part of UK history too, she did set sail from England and never reached America.
I was going to say this too but then I found out that even though the titanic was Irish built British registered, unfortunately it was American owned so they can claim it
@@hugh4u824 ah, that’s fair enough
They're in museums all over the world.
What brand is that bag? The craftsmanship is incredible to last underwater for such a long period of time. I would have expected the leather to have swollen and fallen apart.
I’m glad they are retrieving items from the titanic as the ship its self will not be around much longer. Rust is claiming her and I read somewhere that a wave of sand is slowly making its way that direction and it will cover the wreckage.
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2:16 “substandard materials” is incorrect. The ship builders took pride in their work and built every ship to a high standard. The reason the metals were composed that way was because that was the peak of metallurgy in the early 1900. I hate seeing this rumor propagated.
I saw a small Titanic exhibition, many years ago, and one of the exhibits was the dress worn by ‘the unsinkable Bessie Brown’.
Molly Brown, a devoted Catholic who insisted under threats of violence to row their lifeboat back to pick up survivors in the water. The English crewman in the boat was particularly rude to her for suggesting they do the Christian thing
“The unsinkable James Brown”
“The Unsinkable Mel S. Spice Brown”
@@keySkullghost Yes, the same woman from the film.
Rest in peace, Hamish Harding and the Titan crew. While many may have forgotten your names, your tragic end reminds us of the risks taken in the pursuit of adventure. You deserved to be remembered not just as a statistic, but as individuals who sought to uncover the mysteries of the deep due to the love of Titanic.
It's a gravesite if there are remains. The sea life took care of those remains, therefore it is no longer a gravesite.
Exactly now it’s an archeological site
Robert Ballard the man that discovered the titanic always said his biggest regret was not putting in a salvage claim for the titanic. He never wanted to disturb anything and thought it was a very sacred site, he just thought that no one else would go down there so he thought everything was safe but then someone did and now they have the rights to it all.
Taking up artifacts and peoples personal belongings for profit, he says is disgusting and should never been done.
Agreed to some degree
Museums are actually non-profits.
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If it was a museum that you could go for free then I would agree with you, but it's a company that makes millions of dollars a year showing off all the artifacts they have taken from
sea floor. It's a very lucrative company and has made the owners very rich.
Why does this one company have the sole rights to Titanic objects on the sea floor ?
lets be real who else is gonna be able to get down there.
They don't. There are several museums with artifacts.
I wish this video was 1 hour on all these items.
your tragedy facinates bbc like digging out treasure from old ship
I loves seeing these recoveries from the wreck
Not the rivet thing again... The rivets were as good as the steelmaking technology of the day allowed, perhaps only "substandard" compared to the modern steelmaking process.
Then explain why some rivets contained slag. For money-saving reasons, or, is slag a regular part of the steel making process?
None of the reports on Titanic acknowledge Robert Ballard as the discoverer of the wreck in 1985.
Why was this clip only 3 minutes ? I wanted to see artifacts
Titanic movable museum was great concept .. I was fortunate enough to experience it in Singapore … my boarding pass name was someone from Scottish women singer travelling to USA to be a Star … ..unfortunately she could not make it .. ……… also she managed to get on to second class …. From lower class … I still remember those China white dish ………
Very spiritual and interesting museum journey for me
It sank on the 15th April, not 19th April.
High slag content is the rivets has been disproven if my memory serves.
Keep them away from the Kardashians 😂
Every day I drive past the Belfast dock where the Titanic was built.
You are northern Irish
@@cherylstevens9370 Yes, amazing how a Country with only 1 million people then, built ships and was the world's largest linen producer.
1:19 How sad for her daughter; she lost her husband and then her mother right after 😟
If they know who the bag belongs to, it should go to the family.
I agree
They probably would be unable to preserve it and care for it properly.
You possibly may be right from a moral standpoint, although I'm not sure what the legal situation is with that.
@@Liz-sn1mm once it's stabilised it should be ok.
That one passenger was rerouted to Titanic instead of Majestic. Then later on, the ship sank 🚢. 🥲💔
All those shelves full of items and they show like 10, while showing people talking.
And details of the sinking everyone has heard before.
Bob Ballard dismissed the idea of gaining salvage rights, believing no one would consider grave robbing the sight.
Later on, they're going to find a $20 Logitech remote control around the titanic IYKYK 💀
Too soon 🫥😭⛴️
@@chrysalisamidst Please reconnect your controller
"Slight problem, I think we forgot to bring spare batteries"
And a video screen, smartphones etc.
Wow that bag is gorgeous! Not gonna lie if someone recreated it , I would consider buying one!
3° class back then was way more luxurious than any airline nowadays
And nicer than the homes from which those passengers came, in many cases.
*Out of **_5,000_** RARELY-SEEN items you highlight: a purse, a rivet, a plate. (This clip was its own disaster.)*
i wanted tp see the perfumes too
I know right? All the interesting artifacts and they show us actual garbage. The bag was fascinating, I'd love to see more personal items like that and get more of a glimpse into the lives of the actual passengers.
Did you watch on mute? The purse contained a health card which is incredibly relevant in our post-covid world, the dinnerware is a stark reminder of the difference in social class aboard the Titanic, which crudely could have made the difference between life and death for someone, and most fascinating of all are the rivets. It's about construction and engineering, and the impact that cutting corners can have on the wellbeing of thousands of people. Just because something isn't 'pretty' doesn't mean it's not interesting.
That's the BBC for you.
@@ViolentRainbow And zero detail on the purse. Who made it? Is the black due to decay or did she really have a solid black handbag? For 3rd class steerage, that would be a fair fancy thing to have. The whole, "Each piece tells a story" but then give us no story. Blah.
Haunting memories from a disaster that took place so many years ago. So sad.
So much tragedy in world history. 😥
I agree it almost makes me wonder 🫣
@@ladyredd6857 It's just too much and it continues. 🤔
World War 2 stats: An estimated total of 70-85 million people perished, or about 3% of the estimated global population of 2.3 billion in 1940. Civilian deaths totaled 50-55 million.
I saw an expert say in 20 years there will be nothing left
I believe the famous bow railing, is now gone.
nonsense, titanic will outlive us and our grandchildren
Am avut ocazia să văd in 2017,ianuarie ,o expozitie cu obiecte de pe Titanic,chiar in oraşul in care locuiesc,expozitia a fost deschisă cam 2-3 săptămâni,o adevărată incursiune in timp!
What a good way for RMS to get recompensated for all of the law suits against them after Titanic sank.
1:20
'She was originally supposed to sail on 'Majestic' she actually got rerouted onto TITANIC
so Unlucky'
😢
Should the reporter wear gloves. The way she kept touching the table and so close to the artifacts.
Every time the titanic discovery is mentioned Robert Ballards name should be along side it whatever the reason it’s being mentioned
Leave the stuff there… why do people always want to feast on a tragedy. Leave it to rest.
To understand how people lived in 1912. You've never been to a museum?
Funny they always bring up grave site respect. But no one ever does this ever when digging out mummies in Egypt or when Anthropologists did up bones or fossilized humans or Peruvian mummies of young girls in the Andes. Funny is that. Pick and chose and relativize it away based on whatever the need and then fall back on that it benefits science or cultural study. Laughable really.
Especially when there's literally no bodies left down there.
Bob Ballard is the king of moving goalpost when it comes to this.
Yes the color of the kislux is beautiful and it is a great decision, maybe one day they will add feet and straps. It would be nice to have a bigger bag during the colder months when we have to store gloves, beanies, scarves, etc…
How can you restore paper work from bottom of ocean
Some of those could've been recovered floating, probably from the bodies, intact paper from the bottom of the ocean is unrealistic
@@eliel_360 Actually it's more realistic. Paper has a high content of carbon and there's no oxygen 3,000 feet down.
No stuff has been found and brought back to life so to speak @@eliel_360
Why Atlanta, GA of all places? Lol Seems kind of a random place for a Titanic Museum.
Not that tired old trope about the ship having sunk because of impurities in the steel of the rivets. Give me a break. Why don't you tell me next about how her rudder was 'undersized'.
The least expert 'expert' they could of dragged up.
Just letting all that stuff rot away would be stupid.
Thank u , people calling this grave robbery is so dumb there is not a single corpse down there , it’s archeology
I remember when they first found the Titanic they said they would leave it untouched for respect of the dead and would not go grave robbing what happened there, MONEY i suppose some items ending up in a auction selling for millions trinkets for the rich. Total disrespect for the dead
It's been 84... I mean 112 years. Taking some items is also a way of paying respect to people who built the ship.
i remember that as well, turns out they didnt find any of the dead so their stuff is up for grabs......as long as they make an attempt to find a relative to return it to but i doubt they ever will
Ballard wanted that but others did not
There are no longer any dead in the ship. it's no longer a grave. Do you want details?
@@zyxw2000 its more symbolic, the whole ship is a marker. if it didnt matter then why are there so many plaques there?
"I can't reveal the location of where i am, all i can say is that this wharehouse is somewhere in Atlanta."
Rainbolt: Aight, bet.
Maybe on their next voyage to the Titanic wreckage they can find the remains of the last people who went down there.
Last year ?😅
@@freeagent8225 Exactly! And if it goes badly, they can leave some new remnants on the Titanic also! The adventures never stop ✨️
You do know there's no longer any corpses, don't you. Do you want details? Did you watch videos of the Titan submersible?
Not sure when next trip to titanic will be but sure they will do more and even when ship collapses remnants will still be there to bring up
@@pogue972that was just one accident by one badky designed submersible, there's been many successful trips to titanic and there will be more
Absolutely incredible. An absolute marvel of history.
In the early 2000s I delivered components to a foundary. I later found out that many years ago this foundary built Titanic's anchors.
My sincere thanks for sharing it.
WHY CANT WE LEAVE THE PLACE ALONE?
I agree
I agree too
This stuff is worth millions even items as small as keys have sold for over 100k!
There were also multiple firearms small revolvers recovered from the wreck each worth 500k plus.
@@jamesflaherty59😮
Why? it gives us insight into how people lived in 1912. I guess you've never been to a museum.
The sadness of the poor daughter losing her husband then her mother. So sad.
The rivets had nothing to do with the sinking, and the total area of the ship opened up by the iceberg was minuscule, it was just catastrophically long. It was only 1.2m square, smaller than your average door.
Bob Ballard regrets not applying for salvage rights to stop this..
Everything was so lasting and durable back then.
Except for the substandard rivets. Had they used top-quality rivets, maybe the Titanic would have only suffered minor damage from the iceberg collision. People were cutting corners back then as well...
A hyphen is not needed after an adverb ("rarely"). This is not a compound adjective, where a hyphen is often needed.
For God's sake it's possession not possesion
Oh boo hoo 😂❄️🤦🏻♂️🧌🤡
This isn't a Bible, quit thumping.
Thanks. Possessions
Lol know now 🤣
possesion
Actually going to the Titanic museum in Southampton today where the ship set sail from, then going to Belfast later in the week to see where the ship was built and yet another museum.
Well this takes grave robbing to a whole new level
I bet all money, jewels, metals of value were stolen
@@jaynec7499indeed, they are looking for wine
grave recollecting?
idk but I'm betting we're doing it because we won a bid for it,because who can dump out more cash than capitalists? obviously multiple parties would want it,but biggest bid usually wins,and who's got more money than the USA?
british behaviour
@@pumba5715 British behaviour by an American company.?
anything that identifies where a person came to rest,ie leather belts,shoes,etc. Those spots should be left alone,anything else,sure,bring it to the surface.
Why is this stuff in a secret location but famous paintings etc are public? Makes me think what we see in public are just dupes if they are hiding debris from the titanic this badly.
everything we`ve been told is a big lie , there is more story and details to what really happened to the titanic .....??????
I was on titanic and survived went on the Titan sub too but escaped through an air bubble and floated seamlessly to the surface.
Wonder if they have found the heart of the ocean yet
It’s in your butthole
Why don’t they make a museum for this
I think that’s the plan
The artifacts are regularly loaned to the various Titanic museums across the world.
Give the stuff back to the families
There is no DNA to do a trace back to their family trees
The families filed insurance claims and were paid.