Why was Salvador Dalí Against Music?
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2021
- In the 1930s and 40s, Salvador Dalí painted a number of works that featured musical instruments, presenting a perspective on music unlike any other 20th Century artist. In this essay, I consider why he painted musical instruments in the way he did and consider what this tells us about Dalí's approach to music.
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Stravinsky - Symphony in Three Movements
Reich - Electric Counterpoint (movement 1)
John Luther Adams - Become Ocean
John Adams - Phrygian Gates
Wagner - Tristan und Isolde: Liebestod
What are you against? Dali: What have ya got?
I once, in 1969, got to see Dali in person. It was at the Filmore East in NYC, at a "10 Years After" concert. He was in a balcony and was introduced, stood with a long flowing purple cape, twirled his mustache and waved. Go figure.
Really?
THATS SO COOL
Dalí was just being provocative and a showman (an autobiography at 38!). He probably had a good laugh at the musos tut-tutting.
He just gave absolutely 0 fucks
Music is an art that relies on time.
No time no music
so?
And static art forms are not organic. No organism. No life. Listen to Mozart sometime and tell me what timeless art sounds like to you.
Thats deep man... Do you mean 'time' as in tempo, rhythm and length of note to depict emotion? If so, then I'd have to agree. But it doesn't rely on time as in historical record. It is just made when it is made and we relate to it by categorising it by era, period or "TIME".
No time, no building; no architecture. Everything takes time. An instant is just an infinitesimally small amount of time. Everything. Takes. Time.
@@angelarballo4478 It refers to the fact that the appreciation of an art like music depends on time, time as a physical quantity, not as a unit.
Perhaps, like Sigmund Freud, Dali didn't like the emotions music brought out in him. He seems like a man with burried emotions easily remembered and triggered by the power of Music.
My interpretation is that Dalí's "fight" against music is more against tradition or the system rather than the art form itself.
good point
And trauma
Dali was also 'against sex' ... It's a mistake to normalize Dali. Here's a mania to normalize everyone in this current age. Sometimes it seems that Dali was kind of punk rock about some things, but that's to put his behaviour into some normal category as well.
@@MicahMicahel That opinion was not uncommon before the 1960s. Almost all religious leaders were against it in some manner.
@@jakegearhart his full statement was - against music for architecture
Sadly enough, everyone of my friends who had to learn an instrument in their younger years, dropped it. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
@Yongo Bazuk hate music? Wow that's an opinion
@Yongo Bazuk you must be dead inside. And I'm sure women absolutely love you. Hahaha.
@Yongo Bazuk hate music? Science needs to dissect your brain
Keyword: HAD to learn an instrument. If they aren't doing it by choice, this shouldn't be a surprise.
it took me 6 years to get good on the guitar
from 2011 to 2017 i never stopped but everyone around me was better than me, i still play the guitar to this day and i love it, i'll still get there, i'm good but i'm not great, i also dont sing much
but in comparison it only took 1 year of drums on school for me to become a good drummer, in the school's band, here in brazil we have some african fusion percussive genres like axé and mixtures with european and native influence to result in maracatu and frevo
then normal modern drums, one single year and i mastered it
i now play midi drums with a midi controller and you can see in my channel i make breakcore music lmao
the keyboard same thing, months of practice and its so freaking easy
it made me go into composition and music production, just because i liked to make noises with the synth
i still dream one day using my guitar to make music, i try but its generic stuff with the basic generic chords, i think i can play amy mgmt song from the album congratulations
never dropped it...
... ok once i lost my grip cuz my hands were sweaty
Loved this. Fabulous topic, beautifully edited and brought to life. Off I got to the playlist for some more!
Thank you! Enjoy the rest of the playlist!
Imagine wasting two functional grand pianos like that. I wish I had one...
Those pianos had the honour of working with a master. Their music was seen on screen.
If Grand pianos weren't meant to carry rotting donkeys they wouldn't have wheels.
@@VikCain lmao
Imagine wasting two donkeys
Thats a sing of misery, pal
This is a great, insightful video. Kandinsky, whom you mentioned in the video, was influenced by Schopenhauer's theory of aesthetics, which held that music was the highest art form -- in painting abstract paintings, he sought to create a pictorial equivalent of music's aesthetic power. Obviously, Dali and other surrealists chose another path. This was a very enlightening video, thanks again.
Thank you! Do take a look at my video on Kandinsky, if you’d like. He was always my first choice for a video on music and art.
Though I like both art-forms, music is the more 'intense' one to me: one is just weed, the other heroin. Well, in a good sense :) What I mean is: a painting, an image might disturb you, something might stick with you, but music kicks in at a very emotional level, much more prompt and focused. Something resounds to it within you. If it doesn't - it isn't your kind of music. I guess it's this close tie between music and listener that makes it so much more intense. While other artforms don't 'move' - music always does. It can play with your expectation and anticipation, in a way, no other art-form can. As a painter, I would be afraid of music.
Exactly.
I like your last line in that comment - it is a poignant statement.
There are people who are simply not moved by art; who wouldn't change their perspective or their life, because of some painting or some song - no matter the medium.
Then there's advertising & marketing, which they [PR industry] would like to paint as an art; the creators behind ads, whom are simply looking to design an "image" that would "move" those exact people.
You obviously haven't found the right art yet. I still believe they are both equal: beauty of sight and sound.
@@ZaxorVonSkyler Absolutely legit response - but I'd say I found my "right" artform (I wouldn't want to use the word "right" here, maybe more something like "the artform I can relate to the most"?). Music must have felt like a "ghost" to Dali - something without material substance, devoid of the qualities one might encounter with sculptures or paintings, yet it catches you within the moment it is present - or it does not. There are a great many books about Dali, the person, where you can clearly see the thin line between his genius and - IMHO - insanity. Having something as powerfull as music outside his reach, was almost disgusting to him. That's my whole point - I am not saying painting was no art or cannot be beautifull.
I always thought that there is NO person on the planet that completely dislikes music. But i was wrong. I once met a woman during travel, we were invited to a step Dancing Show and she refused. I asked If she wanted to go to bed early and she said: nah, i just don't like music.
Turned out she didnt like music and singing, not because of a phobia etc but because during her youth whenever she wanted to do homework or needed to stay in the kitchen with her mother, she was distracted by a loud radio. It wasnt too loud but very distracting and she couldnt concentrate on her work. And her mother punished her with slaps on the head.
There is a not widely known connection between Dali and music. When Dali heard the album "666" (released in 1972) by the Greek rock band Aphrodite's Child he said that ""the music was "a music of stone" ("C’ est oune mouzique de pierre" he said with his peculiar French accent) and reminded him of the church of Sagrada Famiglia of Gaudi in Barcelona. As for the lyrics, he said, they expressed perfectly the yippie movement, and reminded him of Durer (the painter of the Apocalypse). He then said that we must introduce this work to the public, by a big international event, a great "happening", suitable for the greatness of "666". He said, finally, that if he was a musician and a lyrics writer, this could be one of his great works"". And this is the happening he proposed:
1. Martial Law shall be ordered on a Sunday, in Barcelona. No one shall be allowed to walk in the streets, or watch the event. No cameras, no TV. Only a young couple of shepherds will have the privilege to witness the event. So, they can later describe it to the people, by oral speech.
2. Giant loudspeakers shall be put in the streets, playing all day the work 666, by Vangelis, Ferris and the Aphrodite’s Child. No live performance.
3. Soldiers dressed in Nazi uniforms, will walk in military march in the streets of Barcelona, arresting who-ever wants to break the law.
4. Hundreds of swans will be left to move in front of the Sagrada Famiglia, with pieces of dynamite in their bellies, which will explode in slow motion by special effects. (real living swans, that should be operated for putting the dynamite inside their belly).
5. Giant Navy planes, will fly all day in the sky of Barcelona, provoking big noise.
6. At 12:00 sharp, in the mid-day, those planes will start the bombardment of the great church, throwing all of their munitions.
7. Instead of bombs, they shall throw Elephants, Hippopotami, Whales and Archbishops carrying umbrellas.
The happening never actually happened, but it proves that Dali's relationship with music was complicated and perhaps has nothing to do with being against music per se, but only against its function as a flaccid bourgeois pastime of "culture".
Or he lived in his childhood and the Spanish Civil War.
This is one of the most batshit insane pieces of writing I’ve ever read
I would love to see his reaction to heavy metal.
Such an interesting idea. You clearly are impelled by creativity to make these videos.
Definitely. There’s been next to no research about Dalí and music, but I’ve loved his paintings for such a long time. It was just a (not so simple) matter of finding a thread and tying everything together.
Music speaks about us and all existence. And melodies are more likely the structure of feelings and thoughts, whether you live with it, or die with it. Time will kill us anyway so add sounds to your words and turn it to music if you want to leave your body beautiful and inspired.
Sometimes I have to remember that I was alive while Dali was too. He's one of those people that are so famous, that I just assume that they were ancient by today's standards.
As an artist music is my biggest inspiration.
Like peanutbutter and jam
I would love to hear Dali's opinion on Black Metal. Specially avant-garde bm.
He would probably just be so confused
I think Tzara or Marinetti would like black metal, but not Dali...
No one likes black metal
Oh bowel movement?
He would say it represents aardvarks really well and then start throwing eggs at you.
What a wonderful episode. All the narratives and animations by you are perfectly blended with the story and music. Just like a poem, or test the 16 year old single malt Scotch. I am much more fascinated by your story and music than Dali himself. Thank you so much. Have a good one and have a lovely weekend!
I think the right title of this very well edited and animated video should be "Why Salvador Dalì's art apparently implies he was against music?" By a wider knowledge of the theoretical roots of Dali's approach to surrealism, it's clear that his aesthetic obsession for musical instruments derives both from his personal (often made-up) childhood mythology and their "freudian" association with Eros and Thanatos (as in Hieronymus Bosch's paintings where bagpipes and hurdy gurdies were likely sexual symbols) . Actually Dalì was never against music itself, even when he wrote that he smashed a violin over the head of a kid in his (mostly surreal) autobiography released in 1942. He used to invite local musicians to play sardana at his Port Lligat home in Spain and during the '60 he hosted the early concerts of Edgar Froese, inspiring him to experiment with electronic music and found the famous "Tangerine Dream" band. Moreover, in 1972 he proposed to stage a surrealist presentation of the legendary "666" album by the "Aphrodite's child" founded by Vangelis and Demis Roussos (this idea was later recycled for the opera "Etre Dieu" composed by Igor Wakhevitch for which Dalì wrote the libretto and recorded the vocals). Beside Wagner's "Tristan und Isolde", in his last years it seems Dalì played also more recent music, such as Jean-Michel Jarre's "Zoolook" as stated by the French composer himself in his "autobiography", so much that the painter asked him to compose a special theme for his funeral.
Before watching this video, I'd always seen Dali as unapproachable. I still do, but this humanised him a bit for me. Incredible work as usual mate.
your content is the reason why we have and need a notification button on UA-cam, amazing as usual, thank you very much!
great video, it's hard to come by video essayists with a real skill for editing nowadays. i particularly enjoyed you cutting out pieces from the painting as you spoke about them, it really held my focus. you've earned my subscription.
This was honestly chilling. Chapeau to you. I got goosebumps by the end.
Thank you for this, Barney. I really enjoyed this and I've also always loved Dali's work but never knew any of this. So, it's really great to hear about this. Beautiful Editing too!
It's my pleasure Louie!
Exquisitely done. One of my favourite artists. I visited the Dali museum in Figueres in Northern Spain - incredible. I love your intelligent narration and wonderful graphics. Thank you.🙏🥚🇬🇧☀️🥚🙏
I can't stop coming back to this video. You really made a great piece.
What an informative, well edited and constructed video! Well done:)
Man, your channel is just pure quality. Amazing video as always!
Music is an artwork in time. It's a movement
Music and painting or any seriously visual but static art have the same high stature, the same capacity for complex beauty. No other physical sense has so much revered art. Only the culinary arts even exists at all, from our sense of taste. Smell and fragrance is a matter of industrialized seduction. Music appears to be geometry across time the same way vision or a painting is geometry across space. Musical colors (timbre) even embody musical objects in a similar way visual color embodies physical objects. Maybe all senses, given enough technological development and resources, could reach a status on par with Vision and Hearing. Meaning maybe they're all this deep, we just can't press Fragrance Albums or download Touch Sensation albums to our brains. But for whatever reason, it's obvious that the two senses/artforms relating to vision and hearing are kindred
@@sunkintree IMO unlike visual art as in a painting, music exists both in time and space. Thus the musician can simulate relativety, like speed up Time or slow it down, halt it so to say, for the engrossed listener.
A painting can be an overwhelming assault to the senses at first glance, but then you take your own time to appreciate it. Music, on the other hand, is a constant assault and can be very annoying if one is not in the mood!
So nice documentation of a great artistic question! Thank you, you have a wonderful channel!
Wow, this is an amazing video. thank you so much! I never understood a lot of these things about the meaning of his work.
Exceptionally well put together video essay, particularly the visual breakdown of the paintings. That movie with the dead donkeys and the pianos though... he truly did dance the fine line between genius and madness.
Thank you so much! You’re not wrong... those donkeys.
Extraordinary. This certainly helps to explain why I have never warmed to Dali, despite his talent.
He is the ultimate contrarian. If he was alive today, he would be part of the cancel culture twitter crowd
@@scorpioninpink He was a child. Everybody has. Remember that.
And watch the last bit of the video.
This is brilliant. I was a bit scared after 9:12 though....damn
Ha! Sorry - Dalí is a bit scary...
Excellent video. You should continue this series.
Everything you created is genuinely incredible. Amazing content
Thank you so much Tommy!
wow... amazing! What an eye opener to read Dali through your explanation! Thank you so much for sharing... although I expected more on your exploration in music.
I rarely commment but now I gotta say this is a great video. My admiration for the Master only got stronger
Wow, Dali was a shallow devil. I guess it's true that in the end for someone to truly respect something... is in the end.
Masterfully done video! Thank you for further deepening my knowledge about art's relation to music!
My pleasure Robert!
Anyone who dislikes music is NOT TO BE TRUSTED.
I'm all on goosebumps right now, great video
I think he was just trolling guys. He did a bunch of shit to be edgy and make people mad so he could get famous.
i was listening to electirc counterpoint right before watching this video...what a trip
That is strange... what a nice coincidence.
Spellbinding essay. Completely fascinating analysis of Dali's work
Thank you so much Lindsay!
Dali’s professed aversion to music was just a surrealist dogma, learned from Andre Breton. And he wasn’t being entirely ingenuous anyway; he wrote an opera!
this was so engaging, very well done
What an incredibly made video, I aspire to publish this quality of work.
Fantastic job as usual
Very well done presentation
This was truly beautiful, man.
The soundtrack for this video fits perfectly.
Thank You for this video. Well done. I learn stuff on Dali I didn't see.
"Among the arts, it (architecture) is the thing that makes all other arts possible." - Philip Johnson
"The modern architect is, generally speaking, art's greatest enemy." - Pierre-Auguste Renoir
I heard that Walt Disney wanted Salvador Dali to animate a segment of Fantasia. They were friends and in fact there is a photo of Dali riding on a miniature train that Walt Disney had installed in the back yard of his home. Now I know a reason as to why that collaboration never occurred. Too bad that never happened. It would have been amazing.
I don’t think we can truly look for any meaning in Dali’s works like this because as the man said himself: “Nobody can understand Dali because I myself, never understand my work. Dali never understands his paintings because Dali only creates enigmas.”
Thank you very much for this wonderful video 🙏
Really cool video, thank you very much for all the information. Luigi
I mean.. content? Great. Editing. Great too what did u expected? How can I not subscribe to this man????
This was like a short movie to me. Engaging and valuable content!
Simply an excelent video. Congrats.
I allways asumed he did this to be as big of a contrarian as he can to shock people
Amazing content, please keep going!!!
Art decorates space.
Music decorates time.
Masterful, dude!
Wow, just WOW! I guess I'll have to revisit the Dali Museum soon.
I'd love to visit it one day...
Maybe ,it was just that He rejected the forced Music ,put on Him by His parents. The recitals also ,He probably rejected them as a youth and saw them as negative and against His will .He most likely enjoyed and understood Music ,from His own perspective ,and later on used themes more so. He ,was a Taurus which rules, Art ,Music , Voice and Singing...Artist supreme He is....
Incredible, thank you for this.
I misread the title as "Why was Salvador Dali's mustache?" and I was like "Alright, I'm on board."
Your takes on painting vs music are genuinely amazing. I would love to know your thoughts on Matti Klarwein's art, not so well known as your other subjects, but a very intriguing artist.
Thank you so much! I don't know Klarwein's art very well - I'll take a look. Thank you for the suggestion.
Astonishing video, congrats!
Thank you so much Steve!
I'm from St. Pete and I was introduced to dalı at age 8 or 9 (12 years ago). I've always found his work to be profound. I'll see if I can read his autobio.
Dali actually is pictorially not that far removed from the art of far example Disney. A kind of soft rubbery textual nature to very much of what he paints.
Dalí actually worked together with Walt Disney in 1945 on a musical short following in the footsteps of Fantasia, called Destino. At the time it never went beyond concept art and a musical piece written for it, but in 1999 during the production of Fantasia 2000, production started on completing Destino based on the concept art, music, and notes from the original pre-production. The resulting work premiered in 2003.
6:42 Could you provide a source for this? It’s surprisingly difficult to find. (I only managed to find a single blog that references it.)
salvador dali was 38 when he published his autobiography, innit
Great use of Stravinsky's Symphony in C
Eye-opening and captivating!
Thank you Max!
Its wonderfullll, thanks a lot !
Incredible essay
Thank you Matthew!
@@ListeningIn No thank you
Interesting. René Thom's work deals with the mathematics of morpholgy, how shapes change, but with a key issue being singular points or caustics and discontinuities - it's related to catastrophe theory and in fact the curve in his last picture is really from this subject. In retrospect, it makes sense that the mathematical pictures in Thom's book would have resonated with Dalí, but we can only speculate as to what interpretation he attached to them.
Where did you find that image of Dali at the beginning of the video? I love it👍
Art analysis tells you far more about the analyst than it does about the artist.
I would have loved to talk with Dali about the mathematics of general relativity. He was always fascinated with mathematics, it was like the one truth that he was attached to.
This is an incredible video
Wow a Topic i knew absolutly nothing about
Thanks
Such an incredible painter.
This quite interesting becuase music was said to be a gift from the heavens.
Very interesting!
This video is amazing, you should do more painting artist analysis, maybe van gogh
Thoroughly enjoyable. I was always fond of Dali's work the way one either is or isn't, but then I visited the Dali museum in St Petersburg, Florida and had my mind blown. In the gift shop I bought his book 50 Secrets of Magical Craftsmanship as airplane reading and though it's largely about painting technique and I don't paint, I loved it too. Aside from the creativity and craftsmanship of his work, just the sheer volume of his work is amazing to me--the size of some of the canvases and the intricacy of the work...optical illusions that have to be carefully designed and such...and that's just painting. When I was at the museum, the special exhibit was the work he did in fashion, which was whimsical and fun, and plentiful...and he did so much other work along the way. The books for example with his lush prose and flashy erudition. He didn't just flounce around in the media the way people think of him, he was, like most great artists I think, constantly working on something--and completing it. Good to see someone focus on his work and thought rather than his persona. The algorithm sent me, but I'm going to check out your other stuff, this was great.
Such an underrated channel...
Dali was very strange
Thank you for this video, it was really good. He seemed like an interesting person. I put the book you mentioned in the beginning on my list of things to read. Did you read it yourself?
My pleasure! I did read it. It’s a strange experience. Definitely worth it, though.
This is a very interesting video. I had no idea about any of this. I heard that Dali knew John Lennon in some way and he was a musician and artist. Dali became very famous was a celebrity and mixed in high society. Dali was a surrealist. Some didn't like his views on politics. It sounds like Dali was quite controversial in some ways.
Excellent video.
Dalí is an interesting fellow.
Fantastic.
10:10 The sound holes are the symbol as the integral symbol in mathematics
Yep. Had this in the script originally. They're acting as both here...
Why did you omit this?
Beautiful
I dunno, dali allways seemed to me like an massive troll, beeing very provocative in order to get publicity. He played a persona and that's just part of it imo.