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What's My Line? - The panelists' spouses; Tony Randall [panel] (Dec 25, 1960)
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2014
- MYSTERY GUEST: Richerd Kollmar, Florence Randall, Martin Gabel, & Phyllis Cerf
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Tony Randall, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
"Oh, HO!!! Oh, ho!!! There comes a time when a man talks too much!!!" One of the most CLASSIC lines of the ages! Arlene was really hilarious there!!! She had the best sense of humour.
I know he should’ve kept his mouth shut. He talked too much in the group!
@@joyceadair3003absolutely. Some folks can’t help but spoil the fun
lol Martin didn't kiss Arlene on the way out
Arlene's reaction when she realizes it is her Husband is PRICELESS, gotta love her, her voice at that moment was so different than at anytime before
Arlene's reaction when she realized was hilarious.
Sidney D - Arlene and Martin seemed to have such an amazing and happy relationship. I've read her book, and she really looked up to him and respected him so much.
I have occasion to travel All over the country by car throughout the year for work... and last spring took a little break, to stop by the cemetery just outside of Philly where they are interred, to place a rose. I thought it would be a nice way to honor their memory and all the happiness they brought over the years.
Well, it was Christmas - maybe the Green Room had a well-stocked bar!
morganfisherart that’s what I thought!
I think it was more they realized that time was running short, so why not make a funny out of it. Plus, the mystery guest always got an appearance fee, so the prize didn't mean much of anything.
@@princeharming8963 How absolutely lovely. Thank you for telling us.
A lovely reminder of an era when charm, courtesy and style were traits that were valued, not derided. These shows are a joy to watch.
Absolutely!
I couldn't agree more!
The exception being their repeated rudeness towards guests who were overweight, and the jeers, cat calls and whistles by the audience over attractive women, including suggestive comments by the males. Makes me cringe at times.
@@annheatherton The men were showing their appreciation of the beauty of the opposite sex, which the ladies handled in stride. I daresay the women in the audience showed their appreciation for both sexes by clapping quite loudly, too. It's a good thing you're living now, so you can hear all the degradation of human kind, on a scale like never before.
OH my love , Arlene Francis, so ahead of your time. I love you forever. You're the epitome of class and beauty.
roselle Roselle and brains!
Absolutely, she had it all, would still be relevant today.
She was a very beautiful women her smile is breathtaking
Yes! Ive watched so many of these but hadn't seen this one until tonight. If it's not an Arlene episode I get slighty disappointed!
@z ...Why not? I love my parents and they have been dead for decades.
Arlene's declaration will stay with me forever. She has me in stitches!
How sweet to see Bennett hold his wife's face and kiss her. Also Tony Randall with his wife. What fun! Dear WML person, thank you for all the great pleasure you provide me. I watched this show as a child (I'm 75), and love going back in time to the house and the rug I lay on, and being with my parents to watch this lovely show again. Love from Ginny in San Diego, CA.
Thanks for sharing ;)
Ginny Lorenz - I had a misspent childhood watching such wonders as this with my parents. Like you, these postings take me back to what was of huge influence on me then plus in a sense more time with my folks. The most interesting thing to me now, at age 70, is to see Thomas Eagleton, Seiji Ozawa, Frank Lloyd Wright, Margaret Chase Smith and others who soon hereafter came to fame or infamy plus those who held great weight in the public mind back then.
+Ginny Lorenz
This episode aired on the first Christmas in my family's new home, the one my parents would own until they moved to a senior citizen complex. The one disadvantage of the new home was the layout. In our previous home, while my parents were in the living room, I could sneak out of my bedroom, walk down the hall and crawl under the dining room table. Lying on my stomach while I should have been in bed, it gave me a perfect view of the TV set. I was a night owl even back then. Invariably my mom caught me, but for a little while at least, I got another taste of the adult world I so much wanted to be a part of.
Now that I'm 65+, I am starting to wonder what was my rush!!!
What a hoot and a treat to come back here, a year later, to watch this episode again and find these charming replies to my comments. My best wishes to you all. Thank you!!!
Ginny Lorenz I love this show too, if it had still been running before I retired I think I could have been a contestant.
My face gets tired from smiling so much while I'm watching these.
These are the best of What’s My Line. It’s sad when I think these people are no longer with us. They brought joy, such a needed thing today. Louise J
Dorothy has such a intricate system of logical deduction that Aristotle would be proud.
It's those journalist chops, she is trained to get to the heart of the matter!
yes, and sadly it killed her in the end.
Dov BarLeib yes, she was quite brilliant!
*an intricate (because "intricate" starts with a vowel sound)
She's amazing!!! The way she organizes her questions to get most likely a yes answer, yet have useful information!!! Amazing!
So lovely and refreshing to see and remember when civilized people behaved in a civil manner.
Yep, the good old days when segregation was still around. MAGA right? *end sarcasm*
David Smock yeah , because things are sooo much better now. ( sarcasm)
And made casual sexist comments. Fun!
This show had guests from every walk of life, creed, race, and gender. The never discriminated and treated all with respect and dignity.
Meanwhile I’d wager you complain about the vile practices of the same political party you currently vote. You have no right to cast aspersions upon others.
@@davidsmock8235 Segregation is alive and well today. The Left is purposely separating the white kids from the black kids with the CRT theory crap. The unvaccinated are being segregated from the vaccinated by the blind sheep 🐑 who are following the flat out lies from the CCP controlled CDC and WHO.
Arlene Francis' reaction has got to be one of the best ever. It is hysterical. Miss these times when shows were funny and didn't need foul language to get a laugh.
SO TRUE !!
I like it too, that doesn't mean everyone should act like the Walton's. It's the same humour you find on abc, cbs, nbc, Today show it whatever news program today as well as modern game shows
The whole panel is very intelligent and eloquent. That is not a current requirement in modern media.
@@georgemartin1436 it certainly isn't. Unfortunately.
Well said and so true.
Tomy Randall here is adorable as always. I had a wonderful conversation with him once and found him to be just exactly like the type of character he so frequently played; innocent, nieve smart, happy and brim full of enthusiasm for life itself.
I adored him.
I loved the Odd Couple with him and Jack Klugman. I get the sense he was always engaged with whatever he was doing. I saw him one time on Letterman when the show had their catch phrases like "I do and do and do and do for you and this is the thanks I get?" When Dave was interviewing him, Tony mentioned a catch phrase he came up with. He was probably a lot of fun at social events, whether it's parties, theater, or whatever.
Arlene busting Martin on this episode is one of my favorite moments of the entire run. Such a brilliant reaction. Also love how Dorothy's hair is a lil messed up when she takes off her mask.
One of the best panel shows on TV thats why it lasted 17 years!
They don’t have shows like this anymore. I remember watching What’s my line in the 60s when I was a kid . I’m 74 now. Richard in Dallas
Arlene's Gown was fantastic. She was so gracious and a smart cookie!
Must've been her favorite gown. I've been watching this show in chronological order from 1950, & it's the dress she's worn the most. I like her better in lighter colors since she went blonde, but she loves this dress.
The fringe at the bust line gives her bigger curves. That might be part of why she liked it. And like many of her gowns, it accentuated her shoulders, which might be her best feature, although so many parts of her are attractive.
@@lucindasommer720 I was just wondering if they ever wore the same gown.
Always made to sure to watch opening so I could see what she was wearing! She and Kitty Carlisle were fashion icons.
On some shows, a designer is credited with furnishing the ladies' gowns, in which case they are not worn twice, and are property of the designer that are later returned. Since this show didn't have such a credit (unlike IGaS with Betsy Palmer), I'd say it was hers, and therefore wore it several times.
I never tire of these marvelous episodes; yes, a bygone era … where class, decorum, intelligence & humor blended together so beautifully.. love these treasures!
This would have been my first Christmas on Earth. Wow, was society ever wonderful when I was first born. This is just incredible to watch. And I thank you so very much again.
Cynthia Lyman Very neat. I think back, too, when watching this wonderful show. I would have been 7 y.o. for 5 days.
Ellen Murray Very cool, Ellen. The world looked much simpler and kinder then, even if much of it was only an illusion.
'Twas my first Christmas, too! Oh my, what a wonderful time back in the early days of our lives!
I was 10 years old when this aired.
You should remember the 1950s alot more than I ever did.
I miss this kind of television when there was good humor, kindness, intelligent wit and decency. Also, not one swear word. Thank you.
At least there's less misogyny nowadays.
Off camera these people swore drank and fucked like sailors. Fake decorum is fascist. You gotta walk yer talk. These big city sophisticates did not
@@spencercurry9370 think what you want. If you have proof then bring it otherwise shut your piehole.
@@TheJrbdog you think there is less misogyny nowdays? LOL. Every freak show has been let out of the bag and if you challenge it or them you get called a racist or something else that has no relevance to reality.
@@TheJrbdog That's not true.
This episode aired on Christmas night when I was in the first grade, although I was probably in bed by that time of night. I am now 64 years old, and it's great to be able to take a look back in time and be reminded of how things were so long ago.
I started the 1st grade on Sept. 11, 1961.
@@bobbyfrancis8957 I think I started 1st grade on 9/7/65...
There was once a time when most entertainers had class and dignity
If I had something to hide,I wouldn't want to be sitting across from Dorothy Kilgallen asking me about it.
She is very smart.
What a great episode to end the year on! It's also nice to see how much Tony Randall had relaxed in comparison to some of his earlier guest-panel appearances in the '50's. He's always erudite and witty but now he seems to be having fun too!
i love tony randall's laugh, makes me think of felix's sinuses on the odd couple
I wish I had marked the time signature, but there was one point where he clears his throat and he sounds like Felix's honking, the type that drove Oscar nuts.
It's nice to see what Phyllis Cerf looked like, since she has been mentioned often on WML episodes.
This was her third of four appearances on WML. The first was as a guest panelist (6/27/54). The other three times was as a mystery guest (previously on 12/8/57, once again on 2/14/65).
Here's a picture of Phyllis Fraser (the future Mrs. Bennett Cerf) in 1936 when she co-starred with John Wayne in "Winds of the Wasteland".
www.imdb.com/title/tt0028510/mediaviewer/rm566026496
She's been on there before (so was Dorothy's husband)
I think everyone here have been having a few holiday drink celebrations because wow i have never seen the panel and host so contentious with each other :) this was a fantastic episode!
I love how Dorothy kissed all the spouses. 🥰
Phyllis appeared on WML 4 times as did Richard Kollmar. Martin appeared as a mystery guest on WML 3 times -- this was Flo Randall's only WML appearance. And this is really one of the most funniest mystery guest sequences ever. When Arlene gets hit by revelation -- it is a classic moment.
soulierinvestments I thought it was 2 times for Martin....At least there are two on UA-cam.
Well, my count included his one time as a mystery guest on syndicated WML. You are correct that Martin appeared twice as a mystery guest on Sunday WML. This one in 1960 and in February 1965 for the Fifteenth Anniversary broadcast. drs
soulierinvestments
Martin was a mystery guest? when?
@@soulierinvestments Martin was also a panelist several times.
Thank you for posting the shows in chronological order. It has been a pleasure enjoying your hard work. Pygiana put into words what most of us are thinking. Thanks to you both.
Glad you've been enjoying the shows-- thanks for the comment! :)
I love when the question is answered by each panelists’ spouse.
I've always loved Arlene Francis. She's damn right! The sexes are equal. But this episode was back in 1960! RIP, Arlene.
On the average, men are bigger and stronger.
When I started watching WML on UA-cam Arlene was the only one (besides Tony) who I recognized. I think she was on a tv show I watched when I was little. What a great lady!
Dale Fry there he is! World’s strongest man to make it very clear what he believes in. 🙄 just enjoy the show.
Dale Fry. Being big and physically strong doesn’t make a person superior.
@@brontewcat no one claimed superiority. The only thing claimed was stature of a physical size.
Arlene had brains, class and good looks.
even 60 years later it's sad when an episode ends 💫
All ladies and gentlemen all. What a wonderful group of people , bring this kind of Hollywood back.
I loved Dorothy Killgallen
Peoples KarmaSquad me too but she was a drunk. she seems out of it in this episode
In all fairness, she seemed impaired to me, also. No way to tell if impairment may have been due to drugs, alcohol, or even exhaustion.
@Hawaii Adventurer 4Life Someone's in denial. She was drunk in this episode. It's pretty obvious.
Considering most of this show was filmed live, and this episode premiered on Christmas, I can understand anyone having a drink or two.
I use to like to have a couple of drinks some times, especially during the Winter holidays, but that didn't make me a drunk, and I'm sure the same applies to her. we have got to stop always assuming, because things aren't always the way they seem.
"Guided missile-toe".
Oh, Cold War humour, you never cease to amuse me.
Give me Cold War humour any day over this dearth of covid-19 comedy. FWIW, can somebody please put an end to the compulsory lockdown of 2020, already?!?
@@QuadMochaMatti never forget what they stole from us
I smiled so much when the panel found out their spouses were there!
15:10 John Daly - "Well we'd have to say those who seek to engage their services directly certainly would not voluntarily do it except in the sense that they would seek the service out themselves, and sometimes they would hear about their services elsewhere performed with excellence and dispatch, and go seek them out. On the other end, services to whom they're purveying the services might consider that the action was not entirely voluntary when it was purveyed."
Bennet - "Have you completed your essay?"
lol!!! 😁
Lol. Yeah, Bennett Cerf was funny when he said that. 😅
I doubt if I could ever have a proper conversation and comprehend what John Daly says 😂 Nevertheless he makes the show so much fun & interesting
Lol that was my favorite part of this episode! What a whopper of a sentence!
Thumbs up, for the lovely, smart Miss Kilgallen getting the bill collectors' occupations. Miss Francis's revelation, regarding the mystery guests was so priceless, I kept replaying it!(don't understand, though, why Miss K. seemed to become frustrated-"well, what are they doing, here?", during the mystery guest segment.)
Don Crabbe Check out when she figures out Dorothy's father. Another wonderful Arlene moment.
Don Crabbe She was brilliant
@@arm_613: Indeed, definitely, another of my top WML moments!
@arm613 I think Dorothy figures it out, as she asks, “Are you my father?”.
Dorothy did pride herself on guessing the occupations. They were getting no where lol
These shows are such a joy to watch... over and over. Just a marvelous TV show!
What a wholesome, relaxing, entertaining show! Arlene was hilarious!
Omg! Loucile Holloway was my landlady in Tampa. She and her sister Louise shared a big property and I lived in her Mother in Law cottage. I found out she was on this show from her daughter. Amazing. How fun is this? 😃
Wow!
Yes! Louise passed away in 2017. Loucile as far as I know is still alive. She would be 92 this November. I rented from Loucile for 10 years (2010-2020) Very sweet lady. Very artistic, loved birds and some cocktails. Lol. She's in assisted living now. They have the same personalities as on this show. Goes to show you never really change no matter how old you get. It was crazy to see them so young!
Tony Randall has a distinctive laugh & it makes me laugh every time!
Never could understand why they didn’t provide enough chairs for guests!
Tony's laugh is hilarious. You can hear him over everyone. :)
He seems kind of 'wired' this evening.
HO HOOOOOO!!!! THERE COMES A TIME WHEN A MAN TALKS TOO MUCH!
her son stumped her 3 times
"There comes a time when a man tawks too mawch!"
YA THINK? 😁
FlagDUDE08 thank you, I wasn’t sure what she said.
Absurdist1968 always!!!
All those people are dead now and that makes me sad.
Peoples KarmaSquad don't think those two barber girls are dead. I think they're about the same, or slightly older as my father who was born in 1949
I know. They had so much class back then.
Maybe they’re all up in heaven right now and they have a what’s my line up in heaven
@@timowthie The same age as your dad who was born in 1949? That would make them 11 when this show aired!
@@Melissa-YupMelissa ok maybe 1939
"There comes a time when a man says too much" beautifull quote from a lady who obviously still loves her husband during this clip.
Thanks so much for posting all these, it's just so interesting to see them all. :) They seem to have had rather a lot of female men's barbers on the show. ;)
Now that we know what Dorothy passed away from, some of these episodes hit differently, this one included. Heartbreaking.
Such polite and classy and well dressed people.
Can't believe they had a show on Christmas Day !! That's dedication
I loved Tony Randall's laugh!!
"It is an equal sex." Holy shit I love her.
I love this show. My parents watched it as young kids and my dad especially would talk about it. Seem like the good old days.
This is Christmas 1960. John Charles Daly had recently been married. He had gone through a divorce the previous year after 22 years of marriage.
And got 3 more children, he already had 3...omg
Right
I had just turned two years old when these moments were captured on film. It makes me feel close, "related"?, to these marvelous human beings in some magical way.
I am also enjoying these shows! This may be my favorite game show of all time! And I think the Christmas shows are my favorite! I was born in 60 so I only saw the daytime version later! This version is a gem!
I did the same. Born in 1960 also.
Mr. Randall has the most distinctive laugh! I'd like to hear him really cut loose, it would be hilarious!
So nice to see the spouses and that they acknowledge Christmas and New Year.
Arlene Francis, was a class act, she always preformed well on the shows, even with her famous eye patch....lol
Agreed. She was such a class act. And I loved how she gave Tony crap about the 'superior sex' remark.
***** -- She even appeared with a broken collarbone for multiple episodes after her automobile accident, once she was out of the hospital.
Bill Brittendall --- Yes, me, too! It must have been galling to hear men refer to women as "the weaker sex" and themselves as "the superior sex", and good for Arlene for not having any of that nonsense.
+ToddSF 94109
I will admit that I don't have a problem with being referred to as a member of the "fairer sex". :-)
Arlene Francis was classy and beautiful!
I liked Tony Randall's double take when he finally realizes his wife is there too.
Hysterical, thanks for posting.
I think the panel celebrated the holidays with liquid refreshments
@classicnickrules I like a good root beer, but that's as far as it goes. And my eggnog is as pure as the driven snow.
I've always liked Tony Randall but even more because he was always nice to Dorothy.
How come they couldn't afford 2 chairs?
For the mystery guests, too much of a giveaway. And since duos (or more) weren't frequent, no need for the set to have it regularly.
They had a double chair specially built for two people.
Couldn't they just leave a wider seat at all times
Or MORE......SILLY ISNT IT?
Love this one. Tony Randall's laugh is infectious and Dorothy kilgallen's giggle is delightful 😊
On his previous visit 2 or 3 weeks back, Tony and Dorothy broke into the most riotous, uncontrolled laughter that I've ever heard on WML. Never knew what that was about, but yeah, they're definitely having fun.
Dorothy with her brilliant mind. Such a shame to have had it snuffed out at 52 years old. I wonder if the dastardly gits that killed her are still alive, and ever felt any remorse for the reprehensible act they performed against Dorothy, her family, and indeed society, considering Dorothy's contributions and potential contributions. Heartbreaking...
What are you talking about? She overdosed
@@Keatonsrules No, she was killed. Assassinated. Do a Google search on it.
@@BigLob2 Indeed, she was.🥀
@@BigLob2 I did a Google search too and she was not assassinated. She died from Acute ethanol and barbiturate intoxication. All the other sites that discuss the theory surrounding her death is not reputable sources.
@@BigLob2 Baloney.
The panel seems just a wee bit extra jolly. Which makes them even more fun to watch. Could they have been imbibing in a little celebratory 'cheer' before they came onstage?? Maybe just a small cup of Christmas Punch??? Oh how I love this charming, elegant, gentle, sweet, innocent, fun show!!!!!
Tony Randall was very nice to Dorothy who always felt a little left out of the others. When she clued him about 'bill collectors' he gives her a kiss. Very sweet. Notice Dorothy's hair in this episode. Kind of a semi-messy 'Anna Magnani' look that is SO much more appealing than her usual elaborate hairdos.
I loved Dorothy's hair too and she got lots more kisses than the others here.
poetcomic1 Tony Randall's laugh is funny.
She had a hairdresser come to her home and fix her hair before events. He must not have come that day.
Dorothy looked a little disheveled. So sad reading about her early demise.
I've heard... from interviews with Bennett Cerf... that, although they all got along, Dorothy was not as much a part of their socializing as the others for two main reasons. Bennett stated that her politics differed from the others (not sure what that means) and she has a different perspective on issues of the day than the other panelists. But more importantly, according to Bennett, they all very quickly realized that Dorothy was a reporter first and game show player second. That became an issue when Dorothy would write about conversations the WML panel members would have in her newspaper writings, which were often meant to be in confidence. The others didn't like that and soon would be very careful when speaking with Dorothy around. John Daly, in particular, had problems with Dorothy revealing the content of what he felt were private conversations in her article. They didn't dislike Dorothy, but this matter certainly left her excluded from the frequent socializing the others enjoyed.
Dorothy Kilgallens death was so sad and way before her time. Even though I have only just discovered the US version of What's My Line, Dorothy and also to an extent Arlene make the show. sadly I think Dorothy's death spelt the end for the show, certainly the women who were brought in to replace her where no where near as good.
I agree completely.
She was murdered by LBJ’s henchmen.
Classic. Bring this show back.
You can bring the show back, but not the people who made it great.
It wont be the same who you going to put on the panel stupid ass simon cowell
You just can't replicate this show! I can't think of any living people that could recreate the panel, nor anyone who could moderate the way John Daly did. It is timeless and wonderful, a perfect blend of personalities.
Today’s public figures and celebrities are mostly vulgarians. You couldn’t put a panel together.
It's Sunday night, and what a better time to watch this on Xmas Day. 😊
‘There comes a time when a man talks too much’ lolol that was brilliant 🤣
The show couldn't spring for another chair.
It was a chair built for two, but twins were husky, I guess.
My favorite is Arlene. She is smart, witty, funny, pretty and with a great sense of humor.
I love Tony's laugh.
Oho, there comes a time when a man talks too much! - Arlene Francis when Martin Gabel answers a question as one of the mystery guests. Priceless!
The mystery guest part was hilarious.
This aired when I was a mere 14 hours old!!! December 25, 1960!!!
I think the whole PANEL have had a few drinks beforehand this week, never mind just Dorothy!! :)
11:15 John daly says I hope 1961 will be better, and now 2019 many of us wish it was 1961
You wish it was 1961 again, when gas was 33\34 cents a gallon, and postage stamps were 8 cents for 1st class mail? But also in the early 1960s, at the 5 and dime store on a table there was a BIG pile of rabbits feet, in two sizes many different colors - I didn't know they were the REAL thing then, when I was 6, 7 years old, shopping malls weren't around yet, so big crowds of people went to the Newberrys store...
So true! A totally different world.
socali raised352 I was born in the 70s , and even I wish it was 1961.
Greetings from May 2020, where any year would be preferable to this current one, and what it has devolved into.
@@QuadMochaMatti Well as bad as it is, it is better than 1348
Man if this aired on TV today people would be freaking out about how they were talking about "the superior sex." There would be an uproar in political correctness.
Indeed! And I would not have expected this kind of thing from Tony Randall. I can't really say why, but it just feels very surprising to me.
If you read it and did not see it, then yes maybe, but is there any doubt that he was asking it in a joking manner. If people took the time to understand context then there would be a lot less outrage in the world.
Pygiana He obviously meant sexual acts
WOW ,Real entertainment that all the family could enjoy.
Possibly the BEST reaction to a MG segment in the entire 17 year CBS run! 😍
WML did it again 4 years later with the MG.
Dorothy Kilgellan getting bill collectors was epic. I’m hooked on this show even tho it’s like 70 years old!
John was a fantastic host and very articulate
The giggling of our beloved panel makes me think they have been hitting the Christmas punch a bit!!!! Love them!!
Dorothy and Tony were easily amused tonight. Tony seemed to find it difficult to stop laughing at Arlene's introduction of Bennett, the same for Dorothy when Bennett introduced John Daly, and then Dorothy and Tony can be heard laughing at the first contestant (no doubt because it was a pair of twins) I'd suggest that it's a positive thing to be easily amused...in much the same way as being a "cheap drunk" can be a positive thing.
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I loved it !
What a great idea to bring the spouses in. Nice episode.
I love all these shows. Thank you.
I love this show, and I barely remember it as a kid but my parents watched it. I was born in 1955. I love this show! They had such class back then.
Tony Randall had such a glorious laugh.
Oh I love John Daly he has an elegant way of confusing people lol
A drunken good time! Mystery guest section was a hoot!!!
thank you so much first, fir posting this terrific show which i really like, and second, that you took out the darn commercials!!!! :) 🌷
In an ironic twist, the two gentlemen who ran the Lone Star Collection Agency lost their business in 1977 for failure to pay their taxes.
Maybe it's my age, but I don't get this show's fixation on female barbers.
LOL Amd they also had a fixation on female garbage truck drivers
It's your age. In 1960 it was very rare to see a female barber in most, if not all, of the country. Between the barber unions anEven in the 70's there were prostitution rings and the separation of jobs by sex, men cut hair and women styled hair, female barbers were somewhat a rarity not to mention the jealousy/sexual angle of going to a female barber. Even i the 70's there were prostitution rings run out of "barber shops" much like the "massage parlors" of today.
Dorothy was just so, so, smart. Her passing was a tragedy