Consistent and proper terminology is the key to safe operations. Good to have everybody 'on the same page' so mistakes are minimized. You clarified a few terms and their descriptions in this and I appreciate it. We should call you "Professor Dave of Railroading"!
Yes you are right in that trainman. Everyone on the same page certainly increases safety among all the workers. Professor.... LOL Just sharing some of what all my job entails. Really glad you could stop by and take in the presentation.
@@ccrx6700 Dave, I have learned more from you that you can ever imagine - both about railroading and personal standards. The 'Professor' suggestion was meant as a sincere compliment to you, I hope you took it that way.
Your welcome Trena, very nice of you to check it out. And pleased to hear you found out some more new things. Always appreciate your dropping by and writing in my friend.
Funny this particular video came up in my "suggested video", behind my house there's an old track that hasn't been used in years but lately they've been working on portions of it , about two days ago I was walking the tracks and found an area where they had removed the "turn out" .I was looking at the various parts which are marked with a white paint marker and they had written "1st to Frog" and things like that , so after seeing this I guess it's back to the tracks to apply what you pointed out here and see if I can make sense of it all 😂, Thanks for sharing this!!
lol Love the thought ... *The ALL Seeing EYE Knows.* RR Track just past neighbor's House. No 'Frogs' here yet, but One never knows what they'll miss learning it they Fail to Look.
We get the universal stock rail from Progress Rail, the universal stock rail can be used on either straight or turnout side, and left or right turnouts, sometimes we order them in 50' lengths but most common are 40', we are replacing some of our old #11 frogs with lift frogs.
I have a manual from the PRR the gives all specific info on switches from board feet, to the distances and spacing just an amazing amount of information in this book. has pull out drawings and diagrams for all types of rail set ups. love your vids keep up the great job.
Oh wow, that's pretty cool, I love old PRR stuff, the standard RR of the world. Can you write it in your will that when you go the the big RR in the sky you will pass on that book to me..... :-) Great to hear you are enjoying the videos
Great way explaining the turnout number. I like the target on the stand. About the RE stamp on the rail and track components. It is a track standard, not relay. RE (AREA), ASCE & ARA are three examples of track standards. Those heel filler block bolts are too loose. FRA always jumped my butt for that. We used those clamps too when storing equipment on a siding. I also removed the switch lock and placed a different lock on the stand that nobody but me and the roadmaster had keys to. Great video and information.
Wow, your certainly welcome and comment is very flattering! Good luck and if I may be of any assistance, please feel free to write in. One section foreman from CN wrote in saying he uses these videos as training films for his new hires, that was pretty awesome for me to hear. Gonna have a video out sometime in mid summer where I interview an inspector from Canadian Pacific, so that should be a really good show for you to watch, stay tuned my friend.
Appreciate the kind words Buckeye Freight Railin, so glad to hear you enjoyed. Thank you so much for taking the time to pay us a visit and check out the turnout parts video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Gary, that's interesting, never heard that before, our neighbors across the pond often have some varying terminology bout RR. Thanks for watching and hope you enjoyed
Very good explanation of a #10 t/o. You however forgot to mention the bolted type guardrails @ the 🐸 frog! Personally I like the hook flange type. You don’t have to drill 6 or 8 holes in the rail.
Tinker, you are right sir, I did forget to mention that, thank you for bringing that to our attention. I have never seen a hook flange guard rail, another good point you bring up. Appreciate your comments sir.
Work in a frog & switch shop for a year pretty amazing equipment to see the multiple drills etc. Was a helper on 650 ton hydraulic press used to level and straighten the frog to specs. The frogs were explosive harden on top .They had a digout pit stack them in there lined with explosives on top , bury them all with fill and set off then dig them back out.
Awesome comment! Thank you. I knew a guy that used to work for a frog manufacturing company in the 1950's in Ohio. He told me they set off dynamite strips on top of the rail heads to harden them. However, they were next to a dairy farm and after time the cows quit milking cause of the loud noise. So they moved the frogs under ground to a mushroom farm and set them off. Great guy, now deceased, railroader all his life, Mike Davis. Can't say enough great things about him, he once worked on the Panama railroad,
@@OneWayWillie Rail weighs different amounts depending on the size. In the case of the markings shown on the heel block, it was 132-136. That is the weight of the rail per yard. 141lb rail is about the biggest used and it weighs 141 lbs to the yard. So whatever weight you see on the side of the rail, divide by 3 to get the weight per foot. 132 is 44 lbs per foot. 136 is 45.33 lbs to the foot. 141 is 47 lbs to the foot. About the smallest used on railroads today is 90lb rail that is 30 lbs to the foot but you might find on a siding some as small as 75 lb rail which would be 25 lbs to the foot.
That is correct, we call them guard rails, some do call them check rails, either term is correct. Actually I did not know what a check rail was and had to ask one of my buddies, someone many videos ago had said that term, it was then a new one on me
At the frog there are side rails, one laying near the main line rail on the left and one on the divergent rail on the right. I'm pretty sure they guide the wheels to stay one which ever track the path takes. Could you confirm with a better explanation.
Hi Dave...your a "feel good" type of person I enjoy on your info on railroads....just wandering why they call it a frog...dies it make a frog chirp when the train clacks over it....just curious....thanks and your got me hooked....
Thank you Robert for the very nice comment and happy to hear you are enjoying the home movies my friend. Excellent question and here is a link to the best knowledge I have on why it's called a frog: cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/1754.aspx
Kenn, freight rr turnouts are numbered from 5 to 20, however there is no 13, 17, or 19. The less the degree of frog angle, the flatter the degree of curved lead (diverging track). Thus the higher speed through the turnout side (diverging). A number 20 has the least degree of curved lead, thus a #5 would have the sharpest degree of curved lead. Union Pacific has built their own frog with an even less degree of curved lead than a #20, but that is special made just by them. AREMA only recognizes 5 thru 20 in their spec sheets for turnouts for freight. Transit is a whole new ball game, they have a lot of even lesser degree turnouts for very high speed, especially on their northeast corridor. I am not familiar with those enough to give you any details other than what I just said. Thanks for watching!
Thank you, we keep clamped to align with main at all times, however when we need to go in siding, then clamp has to be taken in order to throw switch. Thank you for watching
I recently seen a turn out and at the frog. The track or point location was closed. It was like it was aligned to the direction of travel. Both points and frog. If a train was going into a siding both the points at the beginning of the turnout and the frog moved. What kind of turnout is this type??
That is something I cannot answer, have never seen that before! that is wild. Hopefully someone reading this will be able to give a good answer. Thank you for watching
You said the point of the frog was lined for the turnout?. You could have been looking at a movable point frog or spring frog and the points for the switch are either lined for a straight move or a diverging move which would lead you into the siding. Movable point frogs have to be traversed at no more than 1 mph for a track car .
Thank you Bob. Every turnout has a number designated to it. The number of the turnout is determined by the number of the frog. In this video the turnout is a number 10, the one at Belen is a number 20. The difference is in the frog angle, which basically means the turnout side of the track is less of an angle the higher the number and also that means the track speed can be higher on the turnout side. Belen is no more complicated than any other turnout, it just has a higher speed allowed and less of an angle than this one does. Hope that helps clarify a bit and hope you are doing well my friend
Enjoy all your videos. Do you think you could do one about the countless ruins and debris along tracks everywhere? Unisightly blights on every landscape and definitely RR property. Why don't they clean that junk up. Just look at this video for example. That concrete ruin is just evidence of poor management to me. How about you?
I don't very often get out to other RR's so really don't know what all goes on those. We try to keep our track ROW pretty clean of track materials and garbage. Thanks for watching the video we do appreciate that
Yes they are Dave. The higher the number of turnout, the higher the speed on the diverging track can be. The higher the number of turnout the less the angle is from the frog into the diverging track, thus you can go faster. Main line speed is whatever track speed would be despite the turnout number. Speed is only restricted on diverging.
How cool is that vaxghost, that is a huge RR fueling station now for BNSF. Was very nice of you to stop by and take the time to check out the video my friend.
AREMA is the "advanced" version of AREA. AREA was the original association that named the switch before the name was changed to AREMA. Please don't think I am splitting hairs, either term would have been appropriate, being old school I guess AREA is stuck in my brain. Thanks so much for writing in and for watching the video my good man.
Consistent and proper terminology is the key to safe operations. Good to have everybody 'on the same page' so mistakes are minimized. You clarified a few terms and their descriptions in this and I appreciate it.
We should call you "Professor Dave of Railroading"!
Yes you are right in that trainman. Everyone on the same page
certainly increases safety among all the workers. Professor.... LOL
Just sharing some of what all my job entails. Really glad you
could stop by and take in the presentation.
@@ccrx6700 Dave, I have learned more from you that you can ever imagine - both about railroading and personal standards. The 'Professor' suggestion was meant as a sincere compliment to you, I hope you took it that way.
@@trainman2k yes I did 👍❤️ thank you
This is one of your older videos, yet the information gleaned is still sweet. More little questions answered! Thank you!!
Your welcome Trena, very nice of you to check it out. And pleased
to hear you found out some more new things. Always appreciate
your dropping by and writing in my friend.
Funny this particular video came up in my "suggested video", behind my house there's an old track that hasn't been used in years but lately they've been working on portions of it , about two days ago I was walking the tracks and found an area where they had removed the "turn out" .I was looking at the various parts which are marked with a white paint marker and they had written "1st to Frog" and things like that , so after seeing this I guess it's back to the tracks to apply what you pointed out here and see if I can make sense of it all 😂, Thanks for sharing this!!
Your welcome, glad you found some value in it. I do appreciate your watching 👍
lol Love the thought ... *The ALL Seeing EYE Knows.* RR Track just past neighbor's House. No 'Frogs' here yet, but One never knows what they'll miss learning it they Fail to Look.
We get the universal stock rail from Progress Rail, the universal stock rail can be used on either straight or turnout side, and left or right turnouts, sometimes we order them in 50' lengths but most common are 40', we are replacing some of our old #11 frogs with lift frogs.
Thanks Jason, we have some 40 footers laying in storage, no 50 tho. Who rolls the rail from Progress? Steelton?
@@ccrx6700 I believe Steelton and I've seen Nippon
@@jasonbabila6006 Nippon would that be Japan? Steelton is bout 4 hours west of us here, always wanted to see if could tour them
@@ccrx6700 Yes Japan.
I have a manual from
the PRR the gives all
specific info on switches
from board feet, to the
distances and spacing
just an amazing amount
of information in this book. has pull out drawings and diagrams
for all types of rail
set ups.
love your vids keep
up the great job.
Oh wow, that's pretty cool, I love old PRR stuff, the standard RR of
the world. Can you write it in your will that when you go the the big RR in the sky you will pass on that book to me..... :-) Great to hear
you are enjoying the videos
Great way explaining the turnout number. I like the target on the stand. About the RE stamp on the rail and track components. It is a track standard, not relay. RE (AREA), ASCE & ARA are three examples of track standards. Those heel filler block bolts are too loose. FRA always jumped my butt for that. We used those clamps too when storing equipment on a siding. I also removed the switch lock and placed a different lock on the stand that nobody but me and the roadmaster had keys to. Great video and information.
Thank you for these videos they help me immensely as a new inspector
Wow, your certainly welcome and comment is very flattering!
Good luck and if I may be of any assistance, please feel free
to write in. One section foreman from CN wrote in saying he
uses these videos as training films for his new hires, that was
pretty awesome for me to hear. Gonna have a video out
sometime in mid summer where I interview an inspector from Canadian Pacific, so that should be a really good show for
you to watch, stay tuned my friend.
Check out Jason Asselin vids on the lake superior and escanaba rr track. These guys never heard of track maintenance.
Nice job explaining that Dave. Very interesting
Appreciate the kind words Buckeye Freight Railin, so glad to
hear you enjoyed. Thank you so much for taking the time
to pay us a visit and check out the turnout parts video.
May you have a most blessed day my friend.
I have been watching some Russian backyard narrow gauge or dacha bahn (dachaban), they seem to call switches "arrows" there.
Gary, that's interesting, never heard that before, our neighbors across the pond often have some varying terminology bout RR. Thanks for watching and hope you enjoyed
What an interesting video, as are all your videos!
Your intimate knowledge of this rail system is fascinating.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you Steve, really glad you enjoyed watching sir.
Great informative video. I really enjoyed watching it. Have a great day.
Thank Lewis, really great to hear you liked watching, may you have a
great day also my friend
Very good explanation of a #10 t/o. You however forgot to mention the bolted type guardrails @ the 🐸 frog!
Personally I like the hook flange type. You don’t have to drill 6 or 8 holes in the rail.
Tinker, you are right sir, I did forget to mention that, thank you for bringing that
to our attention. I have never seen a hook flange guard rail, another good point you
bring up. Appreciate your comments sir.
Wonderful information! I appreciate the time you spend to make the videos. Thank you!
Arlyn, Thank you very much for the nice comment, really glad you are enjoying
watching the show
Work in a frog & switch shop for a year pretty amazing equipment to see the multiple drills etc. Was a helper on 650 ton hydraulic press used to level and straighten the frog to specs. The frogs were explosive harden on top .They had a digout pit stack them in there lined with explosives on top , bury them all with fill and set off then dig them back out.
Awesome comment! Thank you. I knew a guy that used to work for a frog manufacturing company in the 1950's in Ohio. He told me they set off dynamite strips on top of the
rail heads to harden them. However, they were next to a dairy farm and after time the
cows quit milking cause of the loud noise. So they moved the frogs under ground to
a mushroom farm and set them off. Great guy, now deceased, railroader all his life,
Mike Davis. Can't say enough great things about him, he once worked on the Panama railroad,
@@OneWayWillie Rail weighs different amounts depending on the size. In the case of the markings shown on the heel block, it was 132-136. That is the weight of the rail per yard. 141lb rail is about the biggest used and it weighs 141 lbs to the yard. So whatever weight you see on the side of the rail, divide by 3 to get the weight per foot. 132 is 44 lbs per foot. 136 is 45.33 lbs to the foot. 141 is 47 lbs to the foot. About the smallest used on railroads today is 90lb rail that is 30 lbs to the foot but you might find on a siding some as small as 75 lb rail which would be 25 lbs to the foot.
Very interesting pretty scenery
Glad you enjoyed the show Daniel. We do appreciate your
writing in and watching my friend.
Excellent interesting video great job
Sir, with your knowledge, you are worth your weight in gold. I hope you are duly compensated.
Thank you for your kind words, glad that you liked watching the show 😊
@@ccrx6700 I'm still waiting for a vid of the coal transfer at the dock.
@@MrKfq269 I know, please be patient with me on that, will get you one sometime 😉
Also turnouts have check rails usually
That is correct, we call them guard rails, some do call them check rails, either term is correct. Actually I did not know what a check
rail was and had to ask one of my buddies, someone many videos
ago had said that term, it was then a new one on me
Wow. Frog number=1/2*cot(1/2*frog angle). Railroading is a lot more complicated than I thought.
Thanks for watching Michael, lot of engineering skills goes into
building a RR, it's amazing!
Very educational video Dave
😊
Thank you for another great video!
Walter, thank you, really glad you enjoyed the show
Isn't the 12 inch rail spread is measured from the gauge side of both rails back to the point of the frog?
At the frog there are side rails, one laying near the main line rail on the left and one on the divergent rail on the right. I'm pretty sure they guide the wheels to stay one which ever track the path takes. Could you confirm with a better explanation.
Yep you are correct Mike, they are called frog guards
Another great informative video, thank you.
Thank you for nice comment
Thanks for the info, a lot of things to know. Cheers
Your welcome Hector, glad you like the home movie
Hi Dave...your a "feel good" type of person I enjoy on your info on railroads....just wandering why they call it a frog...dies it make a frog chirp when the train clacks over it....just curious....thanks and your got me hooked....
Thank you Robert for the very nice comment and happy to hear
you are enjoying the home movies my friend. Excellent question and
here is a link to the best knowledge I have on why it's called a frog:
cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/1754.aspx
Enjoy informative your videos.
Do you have any heated switches or dual-control switches on the Cumberland Mine?
Jim, no we don't. Only heated switches we got is me thawing them out with a propane rose bud ...lol Appreciate your watching
Holy cow, alot of parts for just a Switch for us non railroad types. Is the #10 the sharpest turnout
Kenn, freight rr turnouts are numbered from 5 to 20, however there is no 13, 17, or 19. The
less the degree of frog angle, the flatter the degree of curved lead (diverging track). Thus the
higher speed through the turnout side (diverging). A number 20 has the least degree of
curved lead, thus a #5 would have the sharpest degree of curved lead. Union Pacific has
built their own frog with an even less degree of curved lead than a #20, but that is special
made just by them. AREMA only recognizes 5 thru 20 in their spec sheets for turnouts for freight.
Transit is a whole new ball game, they have a lot of even lesser degree turnouts for very
high speed, especially on their northeast corridor. I am not familiar with those enough to
give you any details other than what I just said. Thanks for watching!
Great video! The clamps you have at the switch, do they have to be removed when hitting the switch?
Thank you, we keep clamped to align with main at all times, however when we need to go in siding, then clamp has to be taken in order to throw switch. Thank you for watching
How do yall like the switch cube targets?
Much easier to see than the old small targets for the loco operators. Very expensive to purchase! They come from Alden
I recently seen a turn out and at the frog. The track or point location was closed. It was like it was aligned to the direction of travel. Both points and frog. If a train was going into a siding both the points at the beginning of the turnout and the frog moved. What kind of turnout is this type??
That is something I cannot answer, have never seen that before! that is wild. Hopefully
someone reading this will be able to give a good answer. Thank you for watching
You said the point of the frog was lined for the turnout?. You could have been looking at a movable point frog or spring frog and the points for the switch are either lined for a straight move or a diverging move which would lead you into the siding. Movable point frogs have to be traversed at no more than 1 mph for a track car .
Wonderful! Very informative.
Thank you Ray, glad you enjoyed the show
You talk about Belen nicely, out of the fuel pads 8 and 7 track has a complicated setup??
Thank you Bob. Every turnout has a number designated to it.
The number of the turnout is determined by the number of the frog. In this video the turnout is a number 10, the one at Belen is a number 20. The difference is in the frog angle, which basically means the
turnout side of the track is less of an angle the higher the number and also that means the track speed can be higher on the turnout
side. Belen is no more complicated than any other turnout, it just
has a higher speed allowed and less of an angle than this one does.
Hope that helps clarify a bit and hope you are doing well my friend
Great knowledge, I never knew that
Glad you liked the video, thank you for viewing 😊
Enjoy all your videos. Do you think you could do one about the countless ruins and debris along tracks everywhere? Unisightly blights on every landscape and definitely RR property. Why don't they clean that junk up. Just look at this video for example. That concrete ruin is just evidence of poor management to me. How about you?
I don't very often get out to other RR's so really don't know
what all goes on those. We try to keep our track ROW pretty clean of
track materials and garbage. Thanks for watching the video we
do appreciate that
We used to check them for eggs when we were kids.....
What do you use for weed control ?
We rent a Kershaw KBR 925 that has brush cutters on both sides of it. Reaches out bout 20 feet
Agent Orange.
Number ten turn out, 1/16/2022. Good morning to you. It is 354 Sunday morning.
Glad you enjoyed the video my friend, we do appreciate your writing
in and for watching this early in the morning!
are turn outs rated for speed?
Yes they are Dave. The higher the number of turnout, the higher
the speed on the diverging track can be. The higher the number
of turnout the less the angle is from the frog into the diverging
track, thus you can go faster. Main line speed is whatever track
speed would be despite the turnout number. Speed is only
restricted on diverging.
Great video thanks
Thank you David
Picture not showing what you are doing
I'm sorry Robert, am not understanding what you are saying.
But thank you for visiting with us and watching the video my good man.
Omg what hater would thumb down this great & informative video must be an employee from a competitor lol
Glad yoy enjoyed watching sir, appreciate your viewing
Belen == "buh LEN" or "beh LEN". My dad started his railroad career in 1941 in Belen, NM.
How cool is that vaxghost, that is a huge RR fueling station now for BNSF. Was very nice of you to stop by and take the time to check out the video my friend.
I like it
Thank you Wayne glad you did 😊
I think you mean arema not area
AREMA is the "advanced" version of AREA. AREA was the original
association that named the switch before the name was changed
to AREMA. Please don't think I am splitting hairs, either term
would have been appropriate, being old school I guess AREA
is stuck in my brain. Thanks so much for writing in and for
watching the video my good man.
I have 41 yrs of Railroad track experience and your parts of a switch turnout are so wrong...
Well Mike that an interesting comment, would you care to elaborate
sir?