Germany 30 years reunified
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30 years ago, Germany was finally reunified. But this happened more quickly than originally planned, and hasn't exactly been 100% good for everybody.
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Here is an east german joke from the early 1990s that illustrates the feelings of many people at this time:
In Dresden, an elegant man with an expensive coat walks along the bank of the river Elbe. He takes a mug out of his pocket, takes some water out of the river and is about to drink it, when a local person rushes to him:
Local [in Saxon Dialect]: "Are you crazy? You can't do that! This is pure poison!"
Man [in perfect Standard German]: "Excuse me, I didn't understand you. I'm a real estate broker from Hannover."
Local: "..." "Drink slowly, it's cold."
West Berlin was the only city in which every direction was east.
If Germany was like this imagine the Koreas ..
Quit the opposite: The (South) Koreans see the messy fallout in the German process and are not willing to pay the costs... The generation with knowledge of a single Korea is fading away. I remember a cartoon in my 90s- or even 80s history school book with the process of alienation between the two states:
At first over the wall "my brother", then over the wall "my cousin" and later a letter "dear distant relative" - and if I remember my thoughts as a kid of these days, the DDR was only an other country and it was scary.
Don't want to imagine, if that has been going on the other 30 years, I could imagine, even we West Germans wouldn't care anymore.
@@toraxmalu wut?
@@toraxmalu That's another point for the fast reunification. There was a lot of fear, that if the GDR was continuing to exist, the new democratic system would lead to two Germanys existing along each other indefinately. There were still enough people around knowing a unified state and there was still the sentiment that both parts belong to each other. If this had faded away and we would try to unify let's say today, it might not happen at all, especially with the the EU and Schengen Accords, which further reduce the need for a unified country.
@@tobio.5968 Thing is that the GDR on its own wasn't viable. Reunification was painful, but in a way it is better than constantly having a failed state at your doorstep which constantly turns up with a begging bowl.
@Marcus Thorsen Nobody expected reunification of the two Germanies as late as late autumn 1989. Then things developed quickly.
Never has someone expressed my thoughts about our reunification more poinient that you. Good job! Nevertheless I love our country anyway.
More poignantly than*
@@Jamesgrantmichael Many thanks.😁
Peter Kröger also there should be a ‘have’ After you
I also often heard my parents and grandparents talk about how hard it was for many former DDR citizens after the unification. A whole lot of people lost their job, companies where bought by bigger west companies or couldn't compete with them, land and property was pretty cheap in the DDR so many people from the west would buy them and so on.... For a long time (and maybe even now?) many former DDR citizens seem to feel treated as if they were worth less then the west citizens... It is/was also pretty hard for them, if possible at all, to get a high ranking possision in a company or the same salary as people from the west...
Well, I was born years after the unification, so I haven't experienced such things myself and can't say if such problems really still exist, but as said in the video the unification wasn't just good news to the former DDR citizens and it may have been better to take a little more time to integrate the east slowly....
One important point that is often not mentioned is the global political situation at that time, espacially in the Soviet Union. In 1990 the Soviet Union was in a huge economical crisis and Gorbachev needed any financial help he could get. In exchange he was willing to agree to the German reunification.
Only one year later the situation had changed, Gorbachev had been overthrown and the new leader of Russia wouldn't have agreed to the reunification anymore, eventually for the next decades. So, the German Chancellor took the opportunity when it came ("now or never!"), even it was a bit hasty.
I didn't like Chancellor Helmut Kohl, but I have to praise this achievement.
@@paulsj9245 Which was completely selfless of course... He just had the opportunity to fix his absolutely hopeless election polls and to go down in history as the "Chancellor of Unity"...
@@untruelie2640 Do you know any politician who doesn't do things for his / her own good, at least to some degree? I have still to meet someone like that.
@@untruelie2640 I wouldn't see it that satirically. I believe that he was enough of an Adenauer heir to put major hope into that reunification. And he found an ally in Gorbatchov, which calls for bilateral thoughts.
@@paulsj9245 It was indeed Kohl´s greatest moment. And probably this point was the most important one why the reunification happened in such a hurry-up-style (which was largely critized at that time, too, I can remember the speaches of Oskar Lafontaine - than chancellor-candidate of the Social Democrats): The political situation in the Soviet Union became very weak and unstable in 1990 - and it was Kohl´s merit that he had understood that it was a "now-or-never"-situation (I´m saying this as a live-long left-winger :-) ). So to my remembering as a young girl the point with the Federal Elections in December 1990 and with the economical development in the GDR were second-range-motivations, partially publicly stated to hide the real main reason so good as possible.
Thanks, for explaining how big the task was and how much has already been done. This is often forgotten.
I like your lovingly created picture with the logos of the two states glued together
There was a documentary in the 90s about huge land grabs of farmland in East Germany. I visited East Berlin as a soldier in the mid 80s, it was a different world, but fascinating.
Long story short:
It wasn't a reunification, it was an extension.
Reunification means that both countrys were about to form a new state but instead the GDR became an addition to the FRG.
No laws or ideas of the GDR were implemented, just 10 or so and all citizens would've recognized the new era. The citizens of the former GDR felt miserable, alone and helpless, they were told that their state was shitty, unfair and a dictatorship. Doesn't mind if it's true, but all citizens got a job, an apartment, enough food and money, all this was gone within a year.
They should have made a transformation into a modern new state taking it's time for the reunification.
Considering the fact that you had to condense a lot of information into one video, you hit the nail on the head. I wonder what the professor at that time based his prediction on? Did he refer to comparable incidents? It would be interesting to know.
Three points I need to challenge here...
1. Yeah, initially a lot of young people left....and now a lot of young people move back again. Nowadays it is actually not as clear cut as it used to be. Cities like Leibzig, Dresden, Erfurt aso have actually been growing quite nicely in the last years. And sure, other cities haven, but the city which has actually lost the highes number of inhabitants recently, isn't even in the east...it's Gelsenkirchen. Nowadays there isn't a clear East/West divide in this regard anymore.
2. "Less wealthy" compared to what? Less wealthy compared to former West Germany? Yeah, maybe, though the poorest state in the BRD is again not in the former GDR, its still little Bremen. Compared to the GDR? For sure NOT. People are on average more wealthy than they used to be.
3. We always new that this would take time, a lot of time. Kohl said it in his speeches back then. It's just that the people in the GDR either didn't listen, or they didn't want to hear it, or they forgot, because they prefer to kling to the notion that they somehow got screwed over. Well, to be fair, they were, but they are blaming the wrong party for it. They got screwed over by Russia and the GDR leadership and are now blaming those who helped them back on their feet for not helping them up the ladder, too. Ostalgia is the most toxic thing which currents exists in Germany, imho, a lot of the far right movement grew out if it, similiar to how in the US, the nostalgia for the "lost South" lead to racist movements over there. We CAN'T allow it to fester. Especially since all the things the people living there rightly can be proud of - their language, their specialities, their historic buildings, their nature preseverse (btw, something we copied from them), had the f... to do with the GDR. It's time for them to understand that our regional cultures have little relation to our government, but are connected to our regional history.
Are you from former GDR?
@@newu3563 Not originally, but I am old enough to have experienced this time and the Wende, and the years after.
@@amm287 It's not a death weight. There is a lot to love about the East and I am sure that all the investments will pay off eventually for all of them. I am just really, really tired of this narrative which is constantly pushed of the somehow unfairly treated east when everything which is wrong about is, is still the fall-out from the GDR time, of the self-esteem issues so many Ossis have, constantly thinking that they aren't appreciated when in reality, a lot of people in the west have a lot of respect for them surviving the GDR, and especially those constant accusiation, as if we have taken something away from them when it reality, we didn't.
Also, I really would love to get rid of the word "ossies" and use Saxons, Thuringer aso instead....But exactly because of this narrative, it makes it very difficult to do so. And I also think that a little bit of ribbing between the differnt parts of Germany is kind of normal.
@@amm287 ...in english it's GDR - German democratic republic.We er conversing in english, and I don't want to confuse english speakers.
Kohl may have known that unification would need years, but that was definitely not the message that was sent to the East. Fun fact: the people of the East actually needed convincing on reunification. There are still documents of the time that show they wanted a better, more democratic East German state. So the marketing machine was in full swing promising blooming lands and with the following lack of jobs resentment was only logical.
If you're somewhat fluent in German and have a Netflix account, I can recommend "Rohwedder". It's a 4 part documentary talking about the assassination of a key figure that worked on the reunification process. (Disclaimer: I'm not a German, not old enough to have "seen" DDR so that is my interpretation of the "plot".)
well what u say is true.
Rohwedder was head of the "Treuhand" a state agency tasked to mange all state proberty of the GDr and to bring it back in the economy. Problem was many "companies" of the GDR were sold by the Treuhand to speculators or big western companies so the get broke or where used to get the most profit onthe backs of the employees.
The Treuhand is in the east a difficult topic and many say it did a lot of mistakes.
The same was true for private housing. In the GDR everyone who fled lost all his proberty he left behind. After the reunification it could happen that the kid of a former owner tells you that u have to move out of the house that you bought 20 years ago.
@@bleed2blue1 Sure, but everything which is "wrong" with the former GDR wasn't caused by the BRD, it is the fall-out of what the GDR leadership did. If they hadn't taken away people's homes, nobody would have had to move out.
@@swanpride i didnt say that GDR was good. I just think the whole unification was done too fast and a lot of the problem with it looking back was this rushed work of the Treuhand
@@bleed2blue1 That's pretty much like complaining that the guy who gave you a heart message broke one of your rips. And that is exactly how it HAS to be framed, because otherwise, Ostalgia will become even more toxic.
@@swanpride i dont have ostalgia because im just to young. But i have a job where i have to work with the chaotic consequences of this mess.
Still today people claim old property. Or the break up of the big agriculture companies (LPG) together with a catastrophic bad documentation is a total mess
The five new states were inofficially called "Neufünfland" - a pun on Neufundland ;)
It sounds like Newfoundland in Canada
@@appleslover It is Newfoundland in Canada, that's the German name for it.
@@appleslover
Yep. It is Newfoundland in German.
Some east Germans like to mock call the "Alten Bundesländer" (old states) as the "Gebrauchten Bundesländer" (used states). (so not 'new vs. old' but 'new vs. used')
@@Canleaf08 I know but just wanted to point out that the name is already taken 🤣
Hmm. While the East German economy had some serious problems, I always thought what really broke its back was going 1:1 (more realistically might have been 1:10) to the D-Mark. Suddenly, pretty much everyone buying East German exports (which was a lot) could no longer afford those exports. From one day to the next, large parts of their economy were no longer viable.
Yes, currency parity should be considered as one factor in the downfall of the economy. This argument does not do much to address the need for a weak GDR Mark though, since the underlying cause for this was precisely either uncompetitive pricing or lack of quality, it both. Even this is only one part of a larger picture, though.
There also have been companies which were doing fine and may have survived the turmoil but which were bought up by their competitors, stripped for assets and shuttered. These sales, where not helped by the Treuhand, were done voluntarily however. On the other hand, though, much of the GDR's economy simply could not have competed in the long run. Keeping a 1:10 ratio would have meant to things. Firstly, economic integration and thus unity would not have been acheivable, potentially for decades to come, which just wouldn't have done in the climate of the time. Secondly, keeping the exchange rates at anything other than parity would have meant that millions of east Germans would have rioted, and understandably so. It was a classic damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. The then-popular option was chosen with foreseeable consequences.
It's quite enlightening to read some of the Politbureau transcripts from late 1989 when the GDR was breaking down. Apparently, half of the political leadership had no idea how bad the situation was.
So - no, the GDR economy was on the verge of collapse even without the unrealistic exchange rate. It had been shielded, for some time, by its integration into the Eastern bloc, but that had fallen away at hat time. The loans brokered by Strauß in the mid-80s had extended the GDR's credit rating for a while, but that was already living on borrowed time. The GDR, even without the collapse of the Eastern bloc, was in serious trouble in 1989: industrial facilities were ancient and had horrible consequences for the environment, productivity was low, large-scale investment into microelectronics had absolutely no tangible effect except drawing funds away from other parts of the economy, and the big social spending and subsidies drove debt ever higher.
It's not clear how close the bankruptcy the GDR was in 1989, partly due to its secretive and convoluted way of trading with West Germany, but it's quite undisputed that the GDR economy was incapable of continuing on its own in the long (or even mid-)term.
Wasn't the exchange rate 2:1? Anyway, most of the companies which went down were NOT the ones which exported. It were the one who sold within the GDR. After all, which should you continue to buy ugly and not particular comfortable shoes if you have suddenly the pick from producers from all over the world? Why put your name on the waiting list for a trabby if you can buy a VW immediately? Aso. A lot of companies which exportet like the Chemical companies in Bittereld, they still exist (with the difference that the workers there no longer risk their lifes every day). Some companies which had been forced to flee to the West, like Zeiss, even came back. And the workers in the porcellain manufacturers in Saxony now can actually afford to buy what they produce. But the GRD had a hidden unemploymentrate which was through the roof. People working in made-up jobs to keep them busy. Removing those jobs, THAT's what hurt so much.
@@swanpride Generally speaking it was an exchange rate of 2:1, but people over 60 years of age were able to exchange up to 6000 Mark GDR 1:1, other adults up to 4000 and children up to 14 years of age up to 2000 Mark GDR. Every amount above those limits had to be exchanged 2:1 again. So for an adult 7000 Mark GDR were 5500 D-Mark. For someone above 60 years of age it was 6500 D-Mark and for someone up to 14 years of age it was 4500 D-Mark.
My girlfriend lives deep in west germany, my clients are 90 percent from west germany, ore from other europe countrys, but i only feel at home here in the former GDR. I was born in East Germany, I like living here and I will die here. The West has always somehow remained a different country. I don't know, a Scot or an Irishman doesn't feel like an Englishman either.
As someone who lived in the old Easter Germany, for a few years, I could certainly see signs that some of the infrastructure hadn't been fully unified yet.
Quiz: German reunification happened on Oct 3 1990. The Berlin television tower was opened on Oct 3 1969; on the same day, the 2nd channel of East German television was launched and colour television was introduced. The fact that these events happened on the same date is not a coincidence, but has a common cause. Which is it?
The Day of Unification could not have come much sooner for legal reasons, as the 2+4 talks had taken their time... - the whole process had a diplomatic side / exterior politics side as well.
Ich bin mal dreist und schreibe auf deutsch.
Mir gefallen deine Videos und ich arbeite mich Stück für Stück durch die Folgen, denn ich entdecke immer wieder Dinge, die ich noch nicht wusste oder als Gegeben hinnahm. Um meine Bewunderung zu verdeutlichen versuche ich mich mal in Ironie:
Da muss ein gebürtiger Engländer kommen und mir mein Land, meine Sprache und meine Geschichte erklären!😯
Gerne mehr 😂😂👍👍
As a somewhat young german who grew up with germany being one unified state, it rarely crosses my mind that the east german states were part of a different country for half a century and are somehow different from the "western states". I of course know about the GDR, but that's just never even close to being the first thing I think of when I think about the "eastern states", I'm way more likely to think about the north-south cultural split in germany, or the different political situation in these states (like sachsen famously being more conservative). But I do know some older people to whom whether you are an "Ossi" or a "Wessi" is of great importance.
0:45 DPRK=Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea)😂
Good friend of the GDR
Congrats to them
This is entirely unrelated, because, while I do love learning about Germany, that is one of my favorite sweaters of yours.
This probably explains why so many of the Gen-X generation Germans from the old DDR have a fondness for Socialism/Communism and a distain and ignorance of Capitalism. (And no, Modern Germany, like all of the West are not Capitalist economies. Rather they are it's corrupt stepbrother, Corporatism)
@@frankmueller2781 ?????
Apologies, my comment was meant for the next post down. It's what I get for staying up too long.
@@frankmueller2781 Orange brown sweater causes communism, change my mind.
@@ShouldOfStudiedForTheTest I was thinking the orange-brown sweater caused mild case insanity. It's the Red-yellow sweaters that cause Communism. And the Black on Black fashion statement usually results in The severe insanity, Antifa behavioral disorder.
everytime the reunification is mentioned there should be a disclaimer that this is the second one germany had post-war. Inexplicably forgotten that Saarland also was its own german nation for some years (national gov. and constitution, national anthem, national football team competing in the olympics and so on) and that they had their own reunification much earlier.
Many east german companies would have been viable, but they were either sold way under value to west german companies or they were simply closed. A lot of shady deals happened back then with the involvement of the government. That's why many east germans felt betrayed. German satire show "Die Anstalt" did a show about the reunification. It gives you a nice overview of what happened and why.
"Die Anstalt" is always an interesting watch BUT you have to take everything what they say with a grain of salt, since they always pick the most negative interpretation on pretty much everything. If they ever pick a topic you are knowledgable about you will notice this immediately. And they are often influenced by a lot of myths. The issue with ALL the companies was that they were technologically at least 20 years behind, since there were next to no investments happening under the GDR leadership. In certain industries, the workers were basically walking into a f.. death trap every single day. They were "worth" something only to someone who had the money to invest into the company the same way someone invests into the ruin of a house and then puts 10 to 20 years worth of money and hard work into it in order to get a return on the investment.
Btw, if you want to know what would have happened if the GDR had tried to deal with it without reunification...take a look at Venezuela. That would have been their future.
@@swanpride Over the years I have seen several objective documentaries about this subject and they basically said the same about the privatization process of east german companies as Die Anstalt.
Were there companies that were not viable because their tech was outdated? Yes, but there also were a lot of companies that could have made it, but the Treuhand undervalued their assets, so they couldn't get a loan. Companies were sold for one Mark to west german investors who then got loans and government subsidies, then sold all assets and closed the company. There were too many examples to state them here. Not ALL of them were 10-20 years behind. Their equipment maybe, but the expertise was there and new machines can be bought.
I also don't think we would have gone the same way as Venezuela, because the DDR was much more developed and wasn't limited by embargos. Germany (old states) could have given financial aid to keep the DDR alive under a new democratically elected government and allow a political and economical transition without wrecking the east german economy. But then Chancellor Kohl wanted to win the elction and a quick unification was the best way to do that.
The societies were also largely different, and in many areas they still are even today.
how so? would you mind to elaborate?
So were the hundreds(or thousands) of German states that later unified to create Germany
@@reginatang9310 There are many small differences, some of them more subtle than others. For example gender roles were much more rigidly observed in the west than in the east, since there, women were working normally like men, so everybody learned to take care of the household, while in the west "Hausfrau" was an actual "job description" for a married woman that took care of the house and the kids, cooked meals and so on (with the effect that male kids often weren't really taught these skills, because it was assumed that they'd have a wife to take care of these things later in life). But this is only one small example, as I said, there are many more differences, which of course you only recognize if you know both societies first hand.
@@appleslover You do know these "unified" by being losing a war, right? Bismarck?
@@KaiHenningsen you knew that the German states did win the war against France before they were unified?
As a Irish person who lives in the Republic of Ireland aka Ireland I'm kinda against Irish reification because I'm worried about if it is rushed and not done correctly it lead to the rise of fair right parties in Northern Ireland Since both Unionists and Nationalists still don't trust eachother and because of Brexit it has speed up the process of Irish Reification in recent years so I'm not sure what's going to happen to be honest.
East German economy was functioning, but seriously undermined by the dual currency
Listening to outtakes
did you invite Edmund Stoiber to do a voice over?
the essential part --- the Saxons ... or funny talking people who managed to travel in too small plastic cars
"like most counties with the word democratic in their official name..." Once may be OK. The more often the word people shows up in a name, the less likely it is for the people.
See "Democratic (greek: by the people's rule) People's Republic (latin: the people's thing)"
A "republic" is a state whose head is not a hereditary monarch. Of course, the DPRK has been led by successive members of one family, so it can be said to be a monarchy in all but name, but AFAIK it's not been constitutionally set up that way.
Was West Berlin considered as part of West Germany or as a single-city state?
Instead of the usual "Gehts schleichts eng!" the people of the Bundesrepublik responded with "Deutschland einig Vaterland!" (probably a relict of old times) .... and suddenly immigration wasn't an issue in 1989 and the early nineties ... a little red-white-red and the feelings get quite different when it comes to immigration ---- freezing cold and avoiding any unnecessary smile and not even as a little opening joke something like "Heim ins Reich" ... although it occurs quite often that an Austrian applies for the citizenship of the BRD, comedy has not even dared to make jokes about it
I think that the reunification should have been moved further backwards so the east could have adapted more gradually to the west. Then Article 146 of the Basic Law should actually have been followed and then (if it wouldn't have been an election year) there should have been new elections. But the politicians wanted to rush it and now we have huge inequality even after 30 years and a rising xenophobia in the East because people feel like they are left behind.
The East Germans were never asked really if they wanted to become part of the Bundesrepublik. most of them could see themselves staying a separate country like Austria, but still being socialist but not under Soviet rules and under such restrictions.
I lived in West Berlin during those times. It was a marvelous city back then. I enjoyed it so much and I am sad to see what the city has turned into these days. I know some people like it now, but it was really amazing back in the 70s and '80s.
May I ask why you find Berlin horrifying nowadays compared to its "marvelous" self in the 70s and 80s? What changes related to the reunification happened? I have visited Berlin many times and love it every time I'm there. It's a bustling city, despite not being awfully wealthy and classy like Hamburg or Munich, but it does have its charm, and its fascinating history does make it stand out compared to other large German cities.
Germany-10 and Germany-6.
I wonder if the next reunification will be Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Or North and South Korea?
The question is if they a chance to do it again, would they?
Just wondering if anyone is able to give me a pointer here, I'm British and looking to move permanently to Germany, can I get job offers before going or do I need a German equivalent of a National Insurance Number before arriving? I know about registering for Health Insurance in advance but not of this one, Google doesn't offer clear answers
Great Tumbnail.
Germany is not reunified, at least not completely. The reunification does only comprise west Germany and middle Germany and they are now constituted as the Federal Republic of Germany. The FRG ist only constituted on the level of trade law alike the USA Inc - its a similar construct. The eastern part of Germany is still occupied territory governed by mainly Poland and Russia. In international law the Deutsches Reich still exists, but it is an empty entity.
Yeah I wouldn't have wanted to be told that I'm 'not ready' to live in a democracy.
Introducing democracy is the easy part, and in fact the country held its first and only free multi-party election in May 1990.
@@rewboss In March 1990, not May. On the 18th of March the Volkskammer, the parliament of the GDR, was elected. In May there were elections to the communal representative assemblies.
@@rewboss Oddly enough, the Volkskammer always had more parties than just the SED. Just that the SED was in power and controlled the Stasi.
It was more than just that. All candidates were chosen by the National Front, and were only allowed to stand if they could be trusted to be bound to the SED's policies. Voters could either accept the list as it was, or strike individual names from the list. If they made a single mistake, it was taken as a vote for the entire list. People could choose to vote in secret, but if they did that they were considered potential political enemies of the state; voters were "encouraged" to vote publicly. None of this mattered, because the government manipulated the results anyhow.
@@rewboss Weird thing is that they gave all the parties exactly the same number of votes election after election to the Volkskammer, and the SED had a minority, which is weird.
No one:
Economists: 4:38
You where a lot more watchable when you spoke a bit more slowly.
Yes, in some way, it wouldn't have been fair, if the East-Germans hadn't be eligle to vote ... But it should be made clear: if the elections had been in the West only, then we wouldn't have encountered further 8 years of mismanagement (Kohl wouldn't have won, and the only things you would have heard from him ever after, would have been statements at the court (remember all his gang's deeds since 1983)) ... History would have been completely different to all of us ...
Still missing half of germany
What missing half of germany?
One of the first
Peter Fitzek ist immer und überall der Erste!
Imagine 30 years later, Germany became the de facto leader of the free world after America abdicated the role in 2016.
Of course the DDR was Democratic, You voted, but if you didn’t vote SEC the Stasi knocked on your door and you were interrogated for 48 hours straight.
The elections were a sham. You had a list of names, and if you were brave enough you could strike through the ones you don't like, but you had to do it in full public view. There was never any possibility of changing the outcome of the election, therefore no democracy in actual fact.
@@rewboss I should have inserted „(sarcasm)" in my comment
@@rewboss kind of like the elections of Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela, there was never any chance of changing the outcome
It was called "Falten gehen" (to go fold a piece of paper) for a good reason.
@@berlindude75 Zettel falten, Schnauze halten
How well did Germany reunify?
Ende of August 2020: Right wing protesters storming the Reichstag.
Not so well.
"Ende.."
Stop spilling your Germanness, my phone started spilling beer😁😂
@ö: Äpfel, Birnen!
Since they were from all over Germany that had not much to do with the reunification.
There are always some idiots and that has not much to do with the events 30 years ago. These were not only people from the east or only from the west, they were a reunified group of idiots. So i a sense they are a sign for a successful reunification.
@@yukinohki LOL!
That's why I vote for Die Partei: They want to rebuild the wall.
That the nazis stay in the west?
First ;)
Such a commendable accomplishment, indeed, and such a profound statement (throwing the irony placard into the next corner).
🥇
Good job