Frank Rosolino Vs. Carl Fontana Which One Is The Best Trombone Player

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  • @billbryan3556
    @billbryan3556 3 дні тому +2

    Frank Rosolino's chops like no others. What a master of the horn! Today I'm amazed at John Allred's fire and creativity!

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  3 дні тому

      Serious chops! 10 solo choruses on All The Things You Are is but one example. He is an inspiration and influence on many of today's bone players. Yes, John Allred who I have met. Conrad Herwig who is mainly influenced by Frank and the youngster trombone virtuoso Marshal Gilkes!

  • @rexallen9970
    @rexallen9970 5 днів тому +2

    With Respect to Frank and Carl, both of whom I met many years ago.,Jack Teagarden, by any measure was the greatest and most influential Jazz trombonist who ever lived. Technique, warmth, lyricism, and fire power were the reasons he consistently topped most Jazz polls for literally decades . Any honest listening to his solo work from 1947 to 1960 will confirm this. His 1950 version of “lover” and 1954 version of “body and soul” are two of the most astonishing jazz trombone solos ever.
    (Never knew that Frank Rosolino shared August 20 birthday with JT!)

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  5 днів тому

      Yes, Jack was the father of modern jazz trombone and influenced all future trombonists.

  • @SirWickMusic
    @SirWickMusic Місяць тому +3

    GREAT video!!!!! Being from Detroit, I am biased towards Rosolino. Still, I love and respect them both!

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  Місяць тому

      Thanks. This video has been very successful even with some technical difficulties so I will post more trombone player analyses shortly.

    • @billbryan3556
      @billbryan3556 3 дні тому

      Detroit's Minor Key provided many good hours of jazz during the 60s. Rosolino's work with the Terry Gibbs west coast band was one of my first exposures to Frank's explosive solo work!

  • @srconrad
    @srconrad Місяць тому +3

    They happen to be my two all-time favorite. Each unique with their own styles. Rosolino’s triplet infused, high energy playing and Fontana’s super swinging, legato brilliance. Both with incredible technique and ideas. Rosolino’s high F remains unique in its sound quality being just as solid as the lower range. Most trombonists including myself, thin out in that range of the horn while Rosolino’s sounds just as fat.

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  Місяць тому +1

      Same here. They both have influenced my playing. I am also trying to get better tone on my high F and upper register in general. It is hard work!

  • @bobcosmic
    @bobcosmic Місяць тому +3

    Frankly speaking no one did it better than Frank Rosolino who was also born on the same day as Jack Teagarden but a different year of course. Subscribed

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  Місяць тому +2

      Yes, Frank broke the mold. That is why trombonists today study and emulate his recordings. Some more than others like Conrad Herwig who states that Frank is his main influence.

  • @barrymosleyjazz2677
    @barrymosleyjazz2677 Місяць тому +8

    There is no BETTER , they have different styles . Should put Bill Watrous in the mix to.

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  Місяць тому +1

      You read my mind. My next video will be on Bill Watrous. He was a major influence on my playing and I have a personal connection to him. Please subscribe if you want to be notified when I release this video.

    • @247hdjazz
      @247hdjazz 5 днів тому

      too

  • @JazzR31
    @JazzR31 24 дні тому +1

    Love the King 3B sound.

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  24 дні тому

      Me too! I got my 3B Silversonic 100th anniversary in 1994 and have been playing it since then!

  • @philgipson394
    @philgipson394 18 днів тому +3

    I’ll be the first to mention Urbi.

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  18 днів тому

      Yes, Urbi Green is one of the trombone masters!

    • @247hdjazz
      @247hdjazz 5 днів тому

      Urbie!! And you're far from the first!

    • @247hdjazz
      @247hdjazz 5 днів тому

      @@PeterWetherill Urbie!!

  • @caseybavera5846
    @caseybavera5846 25 днів тому +2

    1 Frank 2 Bill 3 Carl 4 JJ

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  25 днів тому

      Yes! Four of my biggest influences! Albert is the fifth for me. All are equal and master trombonists.

  • @garysmietan8537
    @garysmietan8537 Місяць тому +1

    Frank also played on a Studio Olds but mostly a Conn 6H

  • @johnmcilroy6874
    @johnmcilroy6874 28 днів тому +1

    Great as these 2 jazz trombonists were, for all around mastery of the trombone, no one could touch Bill Watrous for all round playing, in my opinion, Watrous was the greatist trombonist who ever lived when he was at his prime.

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  28 днів тому

      Bill is a major influence on my playing. I am starting a video series on what makes this trombonist great and, of course, Bill is on deck for this series. Subscribe if you haven't already, and you will be notified when I post these videos.

  • @chrisbauer7855
    @chrisbauer7855 9 днів тому

    A little-known treasure is Carl Fontana's solo on Ode To Billy Joe on one of the World's Greatest Jazz Band albums.

  • @tjfarms3232
    @tjfarms3232 Місяць тому +1

    You cannot pick a “Best”, between Frank and Carl…… Carl in his prime was so perfect in every aspect, but nobody was as inventive and free-spirited as Frank…. Knew and loved them both and miss them every time I hear someone destroying the horn!!

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  Місяць тому

      I agree and the reason I posted it this way is to see how bone players would respond.

  • @1320_ikimasho
    @1320_ikimasho Місяць тому +1

    I think it just comes down to which playing style do you prefer?
    Carl Fontana was simply unmatched in technique, innovation and ideas. I think he was the most ground-breaking player ever, because of his doodle tongue technique. if you listen to the Jazz For A Sunday Afternoon Vol 3. album with Carl and Frank, Carl plays some of the best solos I've ever heard. And he seemingly did that since his early days in Woody Herman's 3rd Herd. I'm partial to Carl, although....
    One can't really go wrong with Frank!
    I really like Frank's playing during the 50's~ so expressive. He could take a short solo and play some of the most complex emotions and ideas, in a matter of seconds.
    His playing on the Jazz Scene USA video might be the greatest performance ever by a jazz trombone player.

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  Місяць тому +1

      I am a trombonist who has performed every music style and enjoys playing all of them, but my favorite is jazz. Frank and Carl are two of my inspirations, but I listen to every trombonist I can find. That is the joy of jazz: You are encouraged to find your own style, sound, and voice to express your musical ideas. Carl and Frank excelled in their musical expression. Both are joyous, funny, and emotional in their playing. Their solos lift you up and put a smile on your face. They showed that they totally enjoyed every time they blew their horns!

    • @1320_ikimasho
      @1320_ikimasho Місяць тому +1

      ​@PeterWetherill, really, they were two sides of the same coin.

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  Місяць тому +1

      @@1320_ikimasho Yes, well put. I will never stop listening to both of them!

    • @1320_ikimasho
      @1320_ikimasho Місяць тому +1

      @@PeterWetherill @17:10_ Both Frank and Carl used doodle tonguing. Frank's sound I like to describe as a "snap, crackle, pop" that really only he could do.
      Carl developed his doodle tonguing ability (discovered) while he was in college/grad school.
      @17:55_ Frank played a Conn 6H and a custom Olds. In the Jazz Scene USA 1962 video he's playing the Olds (his ex-GF actually still has the horn). Later on in life I think he was playing a Holton for awhile, but I'm not sure which particular model.
      Carl played a bunch of different horns, some of which were: Conn 44H, Conn 6H, Williams 6, Bach 12, Bach 12/8 slide, and an Edwards. He reportedly had a bunch of different horns at his house and would play other models.
      Anyways, I will never get tired of listening to these two play!

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  Місяць тому +1

      @@1320_ikimasho Thanks for the info. Frank's tonguing approach is different than Carl's. Most modern jazz trombonists use doodle tonguing and the sound of the articulation is different for most players. Bill Watrous is extremely fluid as well as Carl's but Frank is more detached and articulated. Bob Mcchesney wrote a good book about doodle tonguing which I have studied. His sound is more detached like Frank's. As I write this, I am watching the WDR Big Band with Marshall Gilks. He uses a variety of multiple-tonguing. Regarding different model horns, I think how you play is more important than what you play on! The trombone is just a metal tube that extends! If you have bad technique and weak chops, then what model you play will make no difference in your playing!

  • @PBAdventures146
    @PBAdventures146 2 дні тому

    Well.. considering Frank was my great uncle, I pick him 😃

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  2 дні тому +1

      Wow, I am honored that a Rosolino family member has seen my video. What side of his family are you related? Are you from the Detroit family?

    • @PBAdventures146
      @PBAdventures146 2 дні тому

      @PeterWetherill my mom's mom was Uncle Frank's sister. Unfortunately, he died the year I was born, but my older brother remembers hearing him play a couple of times. That whole side of the family was extremely musical. A couple of his brothers played in the DSO. I saw his brother Gasper play his trumpet in Gross Pointe many years ago, and he was in his 80s and still had it. 😆

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  2 дні тому

      @@PBAdventures146 Thanks, it is nice to meet you. I am a trombone player but I also write. One of my dream projects would be a biography or screenplay about the life of Frank Rosolino. Most accounts of his life are from interviews but they do not get into his personal life like being married three times and the suicide of his third wife and mother of his sons. His life story is an intense and emotional one, and many of his friends and colleagues are not willing to talk about it.

    • @PBAdventures146
      @PBAdventures146 2 дні тому

      @PeterWetherill my grandma wouldn't tell me much when I would ask her. She definitely didn't want to talk about it herself. It was her brother and of course what appears to have gone down is tragic and definitely not a family memory to be proud of. She actually used to tell me she thought he had ties with the mafia and they took him out for some reason. Of course, as a kid you believe whatever they say. I'm now just wondering if she was in denial of what really happened and in some way assuming the best of her brother.
      The music genes have definitely been passed down through the generations. My mom and all my brothers were very musically gifted. Exceptional musical ears. Sadly, we were not pushed the way we should have been to reach our full potential and as a result, our abilities only went so far. My oldest brother was in a jazz band for a little bit and was right on the brink of making it on the much bigger stage. But the commitment was to much for the group based on where they all were at at that point in their lives, so it disbanded... no pun intended. But I often wonder, what could we have been had we been pushed and made it our career. I guess we will never know. But its nice to look back and see and watch what our uncles where able to do with an instrument. My brother played the trombone as well and was quite good at it, at least in our circles.

    • @PeterWetherill
      @PeterWetherill  2 дні тому

      @@PBAdventures146 Thanks for telling me about your family. Mental illness, which Frank obviously suffered from, also affected my artistic family. My grandfather, Jean Loyson, on my father's side, died suddenly after a messy divorce and loss of custody of my father when he was an infant. He was from a famous family, was a published poet, and was in line to be the next French national poet. The newspapers quoted his mother as saying that he passed from a Tropical disease that he had gotten while serving in the French Army in Morroco. I am almost certain that he ended his life. Along with the divorce, his best friend Lauro de Bossis had just died in a plane crash while distributing anti-fascist leaflets over Rome and Mousolini! My grandmother would never talk about her first husband. I have many musical roots also. My mom was a pianist, her mom was a pianist, and my mother's father played viola in a string quartet his whole life but was a German language professor. His relatives were also musicians; his grandfather played trombone and was the director of the town band. My great-grandmother, on my father's side, was a soprano soloist with the Denver Symphony Orchestra. Her sister-in-law was a concert violinist and had a music school in Chicago. I also have two Wetherill cousins, David Wetherill was the principal French Hornist with the Philadelphia Orchestra and his brother was a professional bassoonist. In other words, I believe that the arts do run in families!

  • @chrisbauer7855
    @chrisbauer7855 9 днів тому

    You can easily access (on UA-cam) that little-known Carl gem I mentioned by putting World's Greatest Jazz Band Ode To Billy Joe in the search field. Enjoy!