This plan is even better than the Death Star itself! It was totally genius! If Palpatine simply staged false flag attacks at the level similar to the Battle of Coruscant on some other important planets among the Core Worlds 10 years later and claimed that the rebels are the ones who did it, I guess those from the new generation might be willing to support the Empire.
I hope I’m not retreading old ground here but as I recall, if Palatine played the long game and didn’t try to coup de gras with the second Death Star, and just let Vader dog them, they would have eventually won. Even if Luke survived, without a rebel alliance to back him and his friends up, they would be on the run / hiding pretty much all the time. The empire was totally banking on moving into the the outer rim to develop and bring it under control too to eliminate places for crime lords and the rebel alliance to hide/ operate. By then for the most part, false flags wouldn’t really work because the inner worlds were already in compliance and the Rebs too small and scattered for subterfuge like that to convince the outer worlds to think the empire was any kind of hero.
@@watch50er Is evidence for this between what we see in Rebels and Rogue One, that the rebellion even with Rebels making a big deal about the cells finally coming together was still tenuous at best, small, and plagued by inaction. My personal theory is that Leia wasn't actually tasked with leading the Death Star back to Yavin but did it on her own initiative to force the issue, otherwise, the rebellion would have continued to wring its hands over what to do about the superweapon...her bringing it right to their door silenced those who were still on the fence, granted it was a gamble if true on her part...but then look at her father.
@@SalinaMoonfall lol, the Anakin connection But seriously, the sad part for the empire was that Sidious could still have had his second Death Star that does not have one hit kill weaknesses (after it’s fully built) if he had let Vader dog the rebs, let the station be completed, and add the finished and not vulnerable station to the running down of the rebels/ pacification of the outer rim. But no he had to play at the “invulnerable wizard” and try turning or destroying Luke … which could have been done any other way later but it just had to be on the second Death Star when it could still be virtually one hit killed. I theorize if the second Death Star had been completed, internal sabotage much like Rouge one’s climax would have been the only option to force self destruction/ blow open the hull for fighters to enter the massive exhaust shafts to reach and blow out the main reactor.
Think of it as well to the eyes of the everyman they got to see heroic clone troopers dying to protect them and rescue them. A PR goldmine I am sure Palpatine will be using for his push to make people accept a full time Army of troops clad in White armour. Meanwhile the Clone troopers are protecting the people the cowardly Jedi are no where to be seen to busy looking after their own oversized Temple to bother try to defend the public.
I'm pretty much convinced that the entire Clone Wars and the Fall of the Republic was really just an afterthought for the average joe living in Coruscant. Getting your front lawn invaded doesn't phase these people.
When I watched the battle of Corusant in ROTS for the first time, I saw vulture droids destroying these clone starfighters, I was so dissapointed because the vulture droids were cheaper than the clone starfighters! And the main flaw with the ARC-170 is that it's fairly big, a vulture droid could somewhat easily hit them because it's a big target.
Greetsly did a whole video on how the Republic had the disadvantage in starfighters through the whole war. Apparently, according to the lore, those triangular drill-bit-looking droid fighters were pretty much the deadliest starfighter the galaxy had ever seen.
Like I said Friday, we need a movie focused on a family trying to survive the Battle of Coruscant, treating the war more like a disaster flick, similar to Steven Spielberg's 2005 War of the Worlds remake.
Glad Disney didn't allow Jar Jar Abrams to destroy Coruscant in the Force Awakens, forcing him to create a cheap copy of the planet instead. Anyway, it's a crime they basically forgot the existence of the most important planet in the Galaxy in the new movies, all in order to avoid any reference to the prequels
Agreed I mean the Only good thing that the sequels did was give So Many examples how NOT to make a movie let alone a sequel let alone a sequel to STAR WARS
Coruscant was going to be in Episode 9, in the original version Duel of the Fates. Finn was going to lead a stormtrooper uprising against the First Order there, and it was awesome! You can find the script if you want to know what might have been.
@@bo9591 It has some issues regarding the Force, but overall it's an awesome script! They had to scrap it when Carrie Fisher passed away, and then the original director left the project. It's really good! It's called Duel of the Fates, you can find both the script and concept art online. One fan even made a webcomic out of it.
A shock to the arrogant Core Worlders. As Darth Malgus showed, these out of touch elites cared not for the suffering of othets in the galaxy and werr, "Nestled, in their cradle of power." While he had been referring to the Jedi Order, it is easily applicable to the inhabitants of Corouscant.
I'd assume Grievous was demonized by the Galactic Republic and Palpatine (rightfully so) after his invasion of Coruscant, but I'd also assume the galaxy would have cheered after he was slain by Obi Wan. The galaxy would have likely hailed Obi Wan as a hero, much like they did after Anakin killed Dooku. I'm not sure how the Galaxy so easily turned on Obi Wan after Order 66 though (in terms of public opinion).
I think there wasn't a widespread news about obi Wan killing grievous, "i take It that general grievous has been defeated then", his death was not made public before order 66
To my knowledge,no one knew of that,especially considering that right after obi wan killed grievous order 66 happend. Palpatine made sure propaganda wouldn't really support jedi anyway,the only one that they did support was anakin,who was being groomed as Palpatine future apprentice.
A proper propagandist would likely have spun that as Kenobi's clone troopers killed Grievous after they killed Kenobi for being a Jedi traitor to the Republic. Commander Cody might be the only person aware that Grievous was killed by Kenobi when order 66 was executed and there weren't any clone witnesses to it. It would have been easy for the media to be manipulated into the narrative that Palpatine wanted, that branded Kenobi as part of the Jedi that had attempted a coup and few would have questioned it. The Jedi were reviled by much of the populace at this point in the war and had tried to assassinate the chancellor. Even those that new the truth would not publicly challenge it as they knew they would disappear at that point and they would later be branded Separatist sympathizers.
There's one factor you didn't consider that drives the nail of this battle being important even further: Palpatine probably planned this on purpose in order to hype up a good number of recruits for the coming imperial army and stormtrooper corps. Similar to how the American military got flooded with new blood right after 9/11.
1:42 One of which was Humbarine, a very densely populated city-planet (ecumenopolis) like Coruscant whose population was reduced to 0 after an hour-long orbital bombardment. I’d consider that one of the worst atrocities during the Clone Wars, which was perhaps worse than what happened to Alderaan (in terms of people killed).
Imagine living in a galaxy where such a bombardment can occur. If I was in a civilization that emerged to space where that was possible, I would have to find out methods that wouldn't wipe my people out like that.
"It's not the same as watching your home dying. Not the same as if they'd descended on Corellia. But seeing orbital platforms drop onto the city, knowing that millions were dying with every impact, and that the few who were streaming into space on private vessels and leaving their homes behind were the lucky ones…Coruscant is dying, Wedge. I don't know if I can describe the misery of it."
I remember reading an excerpt from the now legends, Labyrinth Of Evil novel, it was the part where the battle of Coruscant was just starting and the droid fighters were laying waste to Coruscant, and Bail Organa had to pick up Padme in his speeder to get her to safety. She was holding her stomach because she had gotten hurt, and was saying to herself "Anakin, I need you".
When Cham Syndulla and Mace Windu holo called Ryloth Senator Orn Free Taa from the war torn planet Syndulla’s first words to Taa were “So glad you could join us from Comfortable Couruscant.” Taa was not only free from the war but his life was so luxurious up topside that he was never even exposed to the classic big city crime happening below him in the Couruscant underworld. It wasn’t until years after the battle of Ryloth that his life was shattered when Separatist demolition droids bombed Coruscant’s central power grid. As the lights went out in the senate triggering the emergency backup lights it’s a bittersweet moment when Taa cries out “We’re under attack!” He is terrified realizing his life is in danger but it’s a wake up call for him saying this is what’s happening elsewhere in the galaxy all the time while he lives the good life. If that was all it took to scare him then one can only imagine what the battle of Coruscant was like for him.
The Clone Wars scarred the Galaxy for years to come, and in part that was because the Galaxy knew a thousand years of peace and were not prepared for a war of that scale. The Star Wars Galaxy had several periods of intense wars, and relevant shorts periods of peace, but after the New Sith Wars and the Republic’s Dark Age there was no major faction that could threaten the Galaxy like the Sith. In truth the Galaxy was used to the peace that was hard fought against the Sith, and once the Galaxy was faced with the Clone Wars they were not mentally prepared for it.
that was a really interesting analogy comparing it to 9/11. i absolutely remember how terrified i was when i saw that that morning. i live right in the heart of america but not close to new york, but i was a freshman in high school and i was in physical education class first thing that day, and the teacher/mycoach came and grabbed me and 3 of my other athlete friends and took us to a locker room with a big screen tv and told us this could change our lives and that it could lead to a draft. i had never een so scared of something like that in my life to that point. i think it maybe was a little messed up for him to scare a few 15 year old kids, but he was just as scared as we were if not more. no one had any real class for the rest of that day. we just kept watching the horror on the TV. in the early hours of it, at least where i live, a lot of us thought this was going to change our lives and we were gonna get shipped off to war in the next couple years. its theonly event in my lifetime that made me feell that way and i think the thing that makes it so much like the battle of coruscant is that here in america, our only land borders are canada and mexico so we have no land connection to any of the places that we might be scared of. so we felt like no one could touch us here cause we were too far away, until we werent. great video. ive never thought about it like that and i think that was really insightful
Grievous: I kidnap the chancellors. Quick question. Sidious: Speak. Grievous: Master are you present on my ship? My scanners tracing your signal on this ship. Sidious: *Hangs up*
They should have retcon Owen being a veteran of the Clone wars, that is how he know Anakin and not just some BS about meting him once. It would also be why he eventually settled on Tatooine, he though it would be far enough away from everything that nothing would ever come bothering him their again.
While I knew a lot about the actual Battle, I knew very little about how it affected the people. I remember a Generation Tech video explaining why it was impossible to take control of Coruscant because of how big it was, so I always just assumed most of the people got into shelters and hide in the lower levels while all the fighting took place on the top level, since the top is where all the important parts of Coruscant are, the Senate building, the Chancellor's office, the Jedi Temple and so on. So I figured they were just attacking that area, because why waste resources on less important parts like the lower levels when you're not even trying to concur the planet and it's all just an elaborate distraction. Also, Chapters 23 to 25 of the Clone Wars micro-series and Episode 3 itself, just focused on the actual battle with very little showing the civilians, except for that one bit where Padme told her captain to get people to shelters while C-3PO was yelling at the Droids outside through the hole in the wall created by a Hailfire Droids missle. Plus, after the Battle in the movie, everything looks okay and since the "good guys" won, I assumed that meant everything was alright, and that the Jedi and Clones did such a good job that very few civilians died. Kind of like how in Super Hero cartoons where the Heroes are so good at their job that nothing goes wrong and nobody dies, or at the very least very few things go wrong and only like two or three innocent civilians die. But I forgot to factor in Sidious desire to instill fear in everyone during the Clone Wars, and even if he didn't order Grievous to do all that at the Battle, given Grevious history and his love of committing war crimes throughout the Clone Wars, as this great channel has explained before, I'm pretty sure he still would have done at least half that stuff to citizen's even if Sidious didn't order it just for shits and giggles.
Separatist fleet appearing on the capital world of the Republic and invading it with lots of death and destruction would worry everyone who lived on Coruscant.
I like the 9/11 comment, exactly the right parallel to what happened that day. Sometimes the only thing scarier than a big bad enemy are those we think are on our side that aren't.
I always thought it was a resounding victory for the Republic, and finally signaled the end of the war, I had no idea it was that bad with this battle.
Every sentient species has an innate fear of death. Even those who no longer fear death, like myself, prefer living. Palpatine exploited this instinctual fear of death so brilliantly.
It's not an innate fear of death, it's an innate fear of not knowing what happens when you die, you only prefer living because you do not know if it is better or worse than what comes after death, if you were to find out it was better than life, you would no longer prefer living.
I do understand your comparisson with 911. My father told me that, when he was driving home, he was afraid that a plane might fly into a nuclear reactor. We live in the Netherlands, it's very far away from the US, and everyone was afraid.
The 9/11 comment struck home and made me fully understand how the Empire came to be. I was 8 about to turn 9 and saw the second plane strike the South Tower. I saw those people jump to their deaths from the towers. I watched the plumes of dust sweep through the city. I heard onlookers scream and cry. The never ending wails of sirens. The sky was so blue and clear that day. The end of my innocence was the sound of those towers collapsing.
Indeed not to mention the era of immense patriotism and a promises that something like 9/11 would never happen again. The war on terror had begun and the vast majority were in support of it.
Gotta love seeing Coruscant being punished and thrown off from its immortal complacency, ignorance, and bliss... serves that increasingly inane planet right. Just like real life these days, to be honest.
They can try Star Wars Story film from civilian’s perspective especially when they are struggling during the Droid invasion including they witnessed General Grievous’ rampage and capture of Palaptine.
You know, I feel Star Wars should be more sympathetic to Imperial citizens. After all, the Clone Wars was a really devastating conflict and yet there are still many fans who always just call the citizens stupid for blindly trusting the Empire without taking into account of what the Clone Wars were like for them.
4:41 I just took a hit from that. I was young and in elementary when it happened. I knew something was wrong when my dad picked me up from school. I saw the news and everything going on that day, had no idea what was happening, but I knew it was bad. Still remember it.
Id love a game set in the clone wars where you play as a Jedi or a clone that shows the level of threat the CIS actually was like they did in clone wars it would be amazing to see a game or series that wasn't limited by it's age range to show the horror of the clone wars
I can't remember if it this channel or another Star Wars channel regarding the battle of courscant where after General Grievous has slain the Jedi protecting him and captures Palpatine, he smiles and says "you'll be a loss to those you serve" and Grievous is taken aback. I would've like to have seen that interaction onscreen as how often do you see Grievous surprised or shocked. Probably part of legends material but still I think it'd be awesome 🙂
The scale of that battle made me realize that the stories that are chosen are one of millions. It's hard for me to even wrap my mind around the scale of that battle I mean there must have been 1000s of Rex like stories. All thar ordinance must have been heard a system away. When I was in Iraq when the towers came down and freshly promoted to ABE/MMA2 as a master at arms and tasked to a billet in Juba after surface warfare training . It was madness. I will not say more. Save this, civilian casualties were taxing and traumatic to gen pop. People were as ghosts or rabbits looking for safety.
I like post-Clone Wars era the war is not even mentioned in further Galactic Civil War Era media, as if everything about this conflict was just forgotten.
Great video! I’ve never even thought about the effects of this battle on the galactic population. I’ve also got a video idea/request. I recently just learned a little bit about Darth Phobos. One part of her story that fascinated me was that the Jedi and Sith orders temporarily allied with each other to take down Phobos and her cult of followers. Is there any chance you would consider doing a video on Darth Phobos or the times the Jedi and Sith teamed up?
Speech, speech, speech at 6:37-7:33. Also, those four words still stick well in my mind. Funnily enough, said reign only lasts 23 years, and even with the Imperial Remnant/Fel Empire, that's still only 159 years.
"Close affair"... ??? Didn't the last episode say it was a HUGE trap that Grevious foolishly blundered right into as the Sith of all Sith in true fashion stabbed him in the back. Having multiple armies and Fleets waiting to execute orders to launch a ridiculous counter attack and utterly CRUSH AND DESTROY the CIS Armada?? Wouldn't anyone watching or closely monitoring the whole thing start to finish be given all sorts of hope when they realized just HOW bad Grevious was ACTUALLY in for it when all those forces began their counterassaults?
Great video. Please do the next one about Qui Gon Jinn had a secret love to another Jedi named Tahl(I believe that her name) and how their short yet beautiful romance without fear could serve a lesson to Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker.
And yet, even after Galactic Civil War, the New Republic polititians thought that Yuuzhan Vong attacking Coruscant was unthinkible, leading to the exact same thing happening all over again...I guess they didn't learn the lesson.
It's not that we forget it's that you forget that the only scenes that we saw in the battle of the city was the 2003 clone wars animated series that George Lucas kind of retconned in episode 3 there is no evidence that the battle took to the ground there are no comes or references to the battle going to the ground there is no evidence of palpatines Chancellor office being rated by grievous which just leaves a plot hole in the planet of where the separatists attack if it wasn't near the Senate building the separatists are more idiotic than I thought
Ten thousand years? Try less than 20. The Empire was a failed state which took the sith a millennium to establish. They'd have been better off ignoring Bane's stupid rule and fighting the Republic as they always had.
Seeing how the Empire/Sith lost solely because the Force itself created a Christ-figure to kill-fuck them, and they STILL corrupted him and only lost THEN due to said Christ-figures children inheriting his power, I would hardly call it a 'failed state'.
*sees description quote* "With thunderous applause/With cheering, and applause." For once, I think the movie has the better Padme line (the former, to be precise).
Preferably in a different channel, lets expand upon THIS psychology & every single event, from about September 11th, 2001 up to about what happened on January 6th, 2021 (anything before & after & relevant is fine & okay)…
This was probably the best possible thing for palpy, this was there 9/11. Allowing the empire to grow before people realize that the empire is there to last
To quote Chancellor Adam Sutler: "I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want every man, woman and child to understand how close we are to chaos. I want everyone to remember why they need us!"
I remember 9/11 when me and my coworkers were commenting about the government might reinstated the draft. But they're were bombings before that at military bases and a couple of embassies with our government doing nothing at the time and telling the country that they were on the other side of the planet and couldn't attack our country. In fact after 9/11 people were afraid to leave their house just like now where people won't leave their home unless everyone else is wearing a mask because they're afraid of catching covid.
But the younglings knew it would be ok , the heroes of the republic would come obi wan kenobi and anakin Skywalker would come and save them . ( revenge of the Sith novilisation)
Is there a contradiction in canon? Or legends? Because I read in more than one novel that the last months of the clone wars were a victory after another for the Republic. I remember some clone saying something like "It seems like we suddenly are winning this war in a week". And despite all of that, the Revenge of the sith novelization says that the war was going badly for the Republic? I don't understand.
Interestingly enough, George Lucas based these movies on real life. A lot of the basic ideas are based on reality. Safe and secure is something we hear a lot in modern times.
8:36 Is that a P90 on the right? Well Star Wars does tend to use real life firearms as basis for many blasters, and the P90 is about as sci-fi as you can get.
Many people say that the warhammer 40k universe is far more traumatic then the star wars universe.....but SIMETIMES you really starts to hesitate about that statement.
Revenge of the sith literally made it seem like it was only a space battle. No damage or chaos in any of the scenes after they rescue the chancellor. Casual fans who didn’t dig into lore would not even know the extent of it all.
Politicians: Who cares? As long as the war doesn’t come to our front door.
Palpatine: We’ll see about that…
lol
Yup all politicians lol
Sounds familiar
Hahahaha
Politicians, wealthy citizens, why let a galactic war get in the way of going to the Opera?
This plan is even better than the Death Star itself! It was totally genius! If Palpatine simply staged false flag attacks at the level similar to the Battle of Coruscant on some other important planets among the Core Worlds 10 years later and claimed that the rebels are the ones who did it, I guess those from the new generation might be willing to support the Empire.
I hope I’m not retreading old ground here but as I recall, if Palatine played the long game and didn’t try to coup de gras with the second Death Star, and just let Vader dog them, they would have eventually won. Even if Luke survived, without a rebel alliance to back him and his friends up, they would be on the run / hiding pretty much all the time. The empire was totally banking on moving into the the outer rim to develop and bring it under control too to eliminate places for crime lords and the rebel alliance to hide/ operate. By then for the most part, false flags wouldn’t really work because the inner worlds were already in compliance and the Rebs too small and scattered for subterfuge like that to convince the outer worlds to think the empire was any kind of hero.
Hmmmmm familiar
@@watch50er Is evidence for this between what we see in Rebels and Rogue One, that the rebellion even with Rebels making a big deal about the cells finally coming together was still tenuous at best, small, and plagued by inaction. My personal theory is that Leia wasn't actually tasked with leading the Death Star back to Yavin but did it on her own initiative to force the issue, otherwise, the rebellion would have continued to wring its hands over what to do about the superweapon...her bringing it right to their door silenced those who were still on the fence, granted it was a gamble if true on her part...but then look at her father.
@@SalinaMoonfall lol, the Anakin connection
But seriously, the sad part for the empire was that Sidious could still have had his second Death Star that does not have one hit kill weaknesses (after it’s fully built) if he had let Vader dog the rebs, let the station be completed, and add the finished and not vulnerable station to the running down of the rebels/ pacification of the outer rim. But no he had to play at the “invulnerable wizard” and try turning or destroying Luke … which could have been done any other way later but it just had to be on the second Death Star when it could still be virtually one hit killed.
I theorize if the second Death Star had been completed, internal sabotage much like Rouge one’s climax would have been the only option to force self destruction/ blow open the hull for fighters to enter the massive exhaust shafts to reach and blow out the main reactor.
Think of it as well to the eyes of the everyman they got to see heroic clone troopers dying to protect them and rescue them. A PR goldmine I am sure Palpatine will be using for his push to make people accept a full time Army of troops clad in White armour. Meanwhile the Clone troopers are protecting the people the cowardly Jedi are no where to be seen to busy looking after their own oversized Temple to bother try to defend the public.
Because we weren't shown the traumatized citizens in ROTS giving us the false sense that everything is okay.
We literally saw a massive battle in space where all the ships fall down onto the planet
Yes, then a couple of scenes later Anakin and Obi-Wan go about there jedi lives as if nothing happened...
@@jacktheflash8478 And we literally never saw any reaction shots from civilians during it.
I'm pretty much convinced that the entire Clone Wars and the Fall of the Republic was really just an afterthought for the average joe living in Coruscant. Getting your front lawn invaded doesn't phase these people.
@@geetslys what are they supposed to do?
When I watched the battle of Corusant in ROTS for the first time, I saw vulture droids destroying these clone starfighters, I was so dissapointed because the vulture droids were cheaper than the clone starfighters! And the main flaw with the ARC-170 is that it's fairly big, a vulture droid could somewhat easily hit them because it's a big target.
And also, the vulture droids are much more maneuverable than other fighters.
R.I.P those clones
Greetsly did a whole video on how the Republic had the disadvantage in starfighters through the whole war. Apparently, according to the lore, those triangular drill-bit-looking droid fighters were pretty much the deadliest starfighter the galaxy had ever seen.
Like I said Friday, we need a movie focused on a family trying to survive the Battle of Coruscant, treating the war more like a disaster flick, similar to Steven Spielberg's 2005 War of the Worlds remake.
A scene where it shows how much of a monster grievous is
@@brysonrivers2373 Oh, definitely. We need Chad Grievous back.
Yep, it would be great
would be great, but not with current Hollyweird.
Back to back Battle of Coruscant videos? Don't mind if I do!
Yeah, I saw when it was uploaded and then wondered if I was having Deja Vu.
@@kevinpotts123 I know, right?!
A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
Honestly Coruscant has always been my favorite star wars planet so any video on the planet is great.
Glad Disney didn't allow Jar Jar Abrams to destroy Coruscant in the Force Awakens, forcing him to create a cheap copy of the planet instead. Anyway, it's a crime they basically forgot the existence of the most important planet in the Galaxy in the new movies, all in order to avoid any reference to the prequels
Agreed
I mean the Only good thing that the sequels did was give So Many examples how NOT to make a movie let alone a sequel let alone a sequel to STAR WARS
Coruscant was going to be in Episode 9, in the original version Duel of the Fates. Finn was going to lead a stormtrooper uprising against the First Order there, and it was awesome! You can find the script if you want to know what might have been.
@@inventorking9124 damn, sounds like a much better plot
@@bo9591 It has some issues regarding the Force, but overall it's an awesome script! They had to scrap it when Carrie Fisher passed away, and then the original director left the project. It's really good!
It's called Duel of the Fates, you can find both the script and concept art online. One fan even made a webcomic out of it.
@@inventorking9124 damn that sounds good
Sidious: Go kidnap the Chancellor.
Grievous: Fine.
Palpatine: Why are you kidnapping me??
There's part of clone wars, that wasn't shown in the clone wars series, it would be cool if they make another season or a whole new series.
Please Disney 🙏
That would be awesome!
A shock to the arrogant Core Worlders. As Darth Malgus showed, these out of touch elites cared not for the suffering of othets in the galaxy and werr, "Nestled, in their cradle of power." While he had been referring to the Jedi Order, it is easily applicable to the inhabitants of Corouscant.
As long as the Coruscant elite suffer, I'm happy about what happens.
@@theevildrummingsithlord1492 But what about the commoners? If anything, more of them will suffer than the elite.
I'd assume Grievous was demonized by the Galactic Republic and Palpatine (rightfully so) after his invasion of Coruscant, but I'd also assume the galaxy would have cheered after he was slain by Obi Wan. The galaxy would have likely hailed Obi Wan as a hero, much like they did after Anakin killed Dooku. I'm not sure how the Galaxy so easily turned on Obi Wan after Order 66 though (in terms of public opinion).
I think there wasn't a widespread news about obi Wan killing grievous, "i take It that general grievous has been defeated then", his death was not made public before order 66
To my knowledge,no one knew of that,especially considering that right after obi wan killed grievous order 66 happend. Palpatine made sure propaganda wouldn't really support jedi anyway,the only one that they did support was anakin,who was being groomed as Palpatine future apprentice.
Demonized by the Republic/Empire sounds right, but worshipped as a god by his people.
Official news were probably that he was killed in the battle, not how
A proper propagandist would likely have spun that as Kenobi's clone troopers killed Grievous after they killed Kenobi for being a Jedi traitor to the Republic. Commander Cody might be the only person aware that Grievous was killed by Kenobi when order 66 was executed and there weren't any clone witnesses to it. It would have been easy for the media to be manipulated into the narrative that Palpatine wanted, that branded Kenobi as part of the Jedi that had attempted a coup and few would have questioned it. The Jedi were reviled by much of the populace at this point in the war and had tried to assassinate the chancellor. Even those that new the truth would not publicly challenge it as they knew they would disappear at that point and they would later be branded Separatist sympathizers.
There's one factor you didn't consider that drives the nail of this battle being important even further: Palpatine probably planned this on purpose in order to hype up a good number of recruits for the coming imperial army and stormtrooper corps. Similar to how the American military got flooded with new blood right after 9/11.
This gives Palpatine's Darth name a whole new meaning and an even darker shade of his character
1:42 One of which was Humbarine, a very densely populated city-planet (ecumenopolis) like Coruscant whose population was reduced to 0 after an hour-long orbital bombardment. I’d consider that one of the worst atrocities during the Clone Wars, which was perhaps worse than what happened to Alderaan (in terms of people killed).
Imagine living in a galaxy where such a bombardment can occur. If I was in a civilization that emerged to space where that was possible, I would have to find out methods that wouldn't wipe my people out like that.
@@marrqi7wini54 Yeah, crazy. More people killed in that hour than probably all wars in human history...
Coruscant citiziens:we gonna be safe now right?
Galactic civil war:....
Coruscant citiziens:...right?
Youzhan vong in legends:....
After years of not being attacked the clone wars restarted that cycle of the planet getting attacked
Yuzzhan Vong: Appears
Entire Galaxy: "Why do I hear boss music?"
@@daedalus4748 to be fair,they could have been dealt with decently....had the new republic leadership been even minimally competent
And 45 years after this battle, another, equally destructive battle ensued on and around the planet.
And this time, the good guys lost.
"It's not the same as watching your home dying. Not the same as if they'd descended on Corellia. But seeing orbital platforms drop onto the city, knowing that millions were dying with every impact, and that the few who were streaming into space on private vessels and leaving their homes behind were the lucky ones…Coruscant is dying, Wedge. I don't know if I can describe the misery of it."
I remember reading an excerpt from the now legends, Labyrinth Of Evil novel, it was the part where the battle of Coruscant was just starting and the droid fighters were laying waste to Coruscant, and Bail Organa had to pick up Padme in his speeder to get her to safety. She was holding her stomach because she had gotten hurt, and was saying to herself "Anakin, I need you".
When Cham Syndulla and Mace Windu holo called Ryloth Senator Orn Free Taa from the war torn planet Syndulla’s first words to Taa were “So glad you could join us from Comfortable Couruscant.” Taa was not only free from the war but his life was so luxurious up topside that he was never even exposed to the classic big city crime happening below him in the Couruscant underworld. It wasn’t until years after the battle of Ryloth that his life was shattered when Separatist demolition droids bombed Coruscant’s central power grid. As the lights went out in the senate triggering the emergency backup lights it’s a bittersweet moment when Taa cries out “We’re under attack!” He is terrified realizing his life is in danger but it’s a wake up call for him saying this is what’s happening elsewhere in the galaxy all the time while he lives the good life. If that was all it took to scare him then one can only imagine what the battle of Coruscant was like for him.
The Clone Wars scarred the Galaxy for years to come, and in part that was because the Galaxy knew a thousand years of peace and were not prepared for a war of that scale. The Star Wars Galaxy had several periods of intense wars, and relevant shorts periods of peace, but after the New Sith Wars and the Republic’s Dark Age there was no major faction that could threaten the Galaxy like the Sith. In truth the Galaxy was used to the peace that was hard fought against the Sith, and once the Galaxy was faced with the Clone Wars they were not mentally prepared for it.
that was a really interesting analogy comparing it to 9/11. i absolutely remember how terrified i was when i saw that that morning. i live right in the heart of america but not close to new york, but i was a freshman in high school and i was in physical education class first thing that day, and the teacher/mycoach came and grabbed me and 3 of my other athlete friends and took us to a locker room with a big screen tv and told us this could change our lives and that it could lead to a draft. i had never een so scared of something like that in my life to that point. i think it maybe was a little messed up for him to scare a few 15 year old kids, but he was just as scared as we were if not more. no one had any real class for the rest of that day. we just kept watching the horror on the TV. in the early hours of it, at least where i live, a lot of us thought this was going to change our lives and we were gonna get shipped off to war in the next couple years. its theonly event in my lifetime that made me feell that way and i think the thing that makes it so much like the battle of coruscant is that here in america, our only land borders are canada and mexico so we have no land connection to any of the places that we might be scared of. so we felt like no one could touch us here cause we were too far away, until we werent. great video. ive never thought about it like that and i think that was really insightful
Grievous: I kidnap the chancellors. Quick question.
Sidious: Speak.
Grievous: Master are you present on my ship? My scanners tracing your signal on this ship.
Sidious: *Hangs up*
R/Holup
I think a similar gag showed up in a LEGO Star Wars cartoon.
They should have retcon Owen being a veteran of the Clone wars, that is how he know Anakin and not just some BS about meting him once. It would also be why he eventually settled on Tatooine, he though it would be far enough away from everything that nothing would ever come bothering him their again.
While I knew a lot about the actual Battle, I knew very little about how it affected the people. I remember a Generation Tech video explaining why it was impossible to take control of Coruscant because of how big it was, so I always just assumed most of the people got into shelters and hide in the lower levels while all the fighting took place on the top level, since the top is where all the important parts of Coruscant are, the Senate building, the Chancellor's office, the Jedi Temple and so on. So I figured they were just attacking that area, because why waste resources on less important parts like the lower levels when you're not even trying to concur the planet and it's all just an elaborate distraction. Also, Chapters 23 to 25 of the Clone Wars micro-series and Episode 3 itself, just focused on the actual battle with very little showing the civilians, except for that one bit where Padme told her captain to get people to shelters while C-3PO was yelling at the Droids outside through the hole in the wall created by a Hailfire Droids missle. Plus, after the Battle in the movie, everything looks okay and since the "good guys" won, I assumed that meant everything was alright, and that the Jedi and Clones did such a good job that very few civilians died. Kind of like how in Super Hero cartoons where the Heroes are so good at their job that nothing goes wrong and nobody dies, or at the very least very few things go wrong and only like two or three innocent civilians die.
But I forgot to factor in Sidious desire to instill fear in everyone during the Clone Wars, and even if he didn't order Grievous to do all that at the Battle, given Grevious history and his love of committing war crimes throughout the Clone Wars, as this great channel has explained before, I'm pretty sure he still would have done at least half that stuff to citizen's even if Sidious didn't order it just for shits and giggles.
Separatist fleet appearing on the capital world of the Republic and invading it with lots of death and destruction would worry everyone who lived on Coruscant.
I like the 9/11 comment, exactly the right parallel to what happened that day. Sometimes the only thing scarier than a big bad enemy are those we think are on our side that aren't.
I always thought it was a resounding victory for the Republic, and finally signaled the end of the war, I had no idea it was that bad with this battle.
I wish TCW Season 7 depicted The Ground Battle Of Coruscant like how it was depicted in the 2003 Micro-series.
Every sentient species has an innate fear of death. Even those who no longer fear death, like myself, prefer living. Palpatine exploited this instinctual fear of death so brilliantly.
It's not an innate fear of death, it's an innate fear of not knowing what happens when you die, you only prefer living because you do not know if it is better or worse than what comes after death, if you were to find out it was better than life, you would no longer prefer living.
@@user-ep8ns6hg4q Is there really a difference between what you said and I said? All you did was make it more detailed.
One could say that Chancellor Palpatine offered the galaxy "Peace Through Power!"
And he could not provide peace.
Peace throught Tyranny
I do understand your comparisson with 911. My father told me that, when he was driving home, he was afraid that a plane might fly into a nuclear reactor. We live in the Netherlands, it's very far away from the US, and everyone was afraid.
The 9/11 comment struck home and made me fully understand how the Empire came to be.
I was 8 about to turn 9 and saw the second plane strike the South Tower. I saw those people jump to their deaths from the towers. I watched the plumes of dust sweep through the city. I heard onlookers scream and cry. The never ending wails of sirens. The sky was so blue and clear that day. The end of my innocence was the sound of those towers collapsing.
Indeed not to mention the era of immense patriotism and a promises that something like 9/11 would never happen again. The war on terror had begun and the vast majority were in support of it.
Gotta love seeing Coruscant being punished and thrown off from its immortal complacency, ignorance, and bliss... serves that increasingly inane planet right.
Just like real life these days, to be honest.
We definitely needed to see the Battle of Coruscant in the Clone Wars
We did see it in the original Clone Wars series.
They can try Star Wars Story film from civilian’s perspective especially when they are struggling during the Droid invasion including they witnessed General Grievous’ rampage and capture of Palaptine.
You know, I feel Star Wars should be more sympathetic to Imperial citizens. After all, the Clone Wars was a really devastating conflict and yet there are still many fans who always just call the citizens stupid for blindly trusting the Empire without taking into account of what the Clone Wars were like for them.
"it will last 10,000 years" the empire falls within 20 years.
It's an easter egg to the real life, when Nazis said their Reich will stand for 1000 years and they fallen in 12. SW was heavily inspired by WW2
Over 200 in legends
4:41 I just took a hit from that. I was young and in elementary when it happened. I knew something was wrong when my dad picked me up from school. I saw the news and everything going on that day, had no idea what was happening, but I knew it was bad. Still remember it.
Id love a game set in the clone wars where you play as a Jedi or a clone that shows the level of threat the CIS actually was like they did in clone wars it would be amazing to see a game or series that wasn't limited by it's age range to show the horror of the clone wars
I can't remember if it this channel or another Star Wars channel regarding the battle of courscant where after General Grievous has slain the Jedi protecting him and captures Palpatine, he smiles and says "you'll be a loss to those you serve" and Grievous is taken aback.
I would've like to have seen that interaction onscreen as how often do you see Grievous surprised or shocked.
Probably part of legends material but still I think it'd be awesome 🙂
palpatine story arc is just perfect
perfect writing
This is something that books seem to do so much better at. It helps that books aren’t limited to a short span of time. Great video sir.
The scale of that battle made me realize that the stories that are chosen are one of millions. It's hard for me to even wrap my mind around the scale of that battle I mean there must have been 1000s of Rex like stories.
All thar ordinance must have been heard a system away.
When I was in Iraq when the towers came down and freshly promoted to ABE/MMA2 as a master at arms and tasked to a billet in Juba after surface warfare training . It was madness. I will not say more. Save this, civilian casualties were taxing and traumatic to gen pop. People were as ghosts or rabbits looking for safety.
Palpatine: Mom, can we have a 10,000 year Empire?
Mom: No, we have a 10,000 year Empire at home
The 10,000 year Empire at home: Galactic Empire
My 5th grade English teacher actually had the novelization on her bookshelf, the opening was great, and I read a bit of it, but not in full.
Operation Durges lance.
We all know the reference.
Right.
Right?
I like post-Clone Wars era the war is not even mentioned in further Galactic Civil War Era media, as if everything about this conflict was just forgotten.
The coolest thing was when sassee tin and the clone marines boarded that one CIS ship
Great video! I’ve never even thought about the effects of this battle on the galactic population.
I’ve also got a video idea/request. I recently just learned a little bit about Darth Phobos. One part of her story that fascinated me was that the Jedi and Sith orders temporarily allied with each other to take down Phobos and her cult of followers. Is there any chance you would consider doing a video on Darth Phobos or the times the Jedi and Sith teamed up?
Speech, speech, speech at 6:37-7:33. Also, those four words still stick well in my mind.
Funnily enough, said reign only lasts 23 years, and even with the Imperial Remnant/Fel Empire, that's still only 159 years.
We need to remember when the movie/book came out--it was eerily similar to what happened after 9/11 as well
Yeah dude I remember and ramping up that day to the Battle of Coruscant level would be catastrophic.
"Close affair"... ??? Didn't the last episode say it was a HUGE trap that Grevious foolishly blundered right into as the Sith of all Sith in true fashion stabbed him in the back. Having multiple armies and Fleets waiting to execute orders to launch a ridiculous counter attack and utterly CRUSH AND DESTROY the CIS Armada?? Wouldn't anyone watching or closely monitoring the whole thing start to finish be given all sorts of hope when they realized just HOW bad Grevious was ACTUALLY in for it when all those forces began their counterassaults?
Bush Sr and Jr remind me of Chancellor Palpatine....
Great video. Please do the next one about Qui Gon Jinn had a secret love to another Jedi named Tahl(I believe that her name) and how their short yet beautiful romance without fear could serve a lesson to Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker.
I want to see more of this battle 😫
A good reason for the empire's being to maintain a safe and secure society.
And yet, even after Galactic Civil War, the New Republic polititians thought that Yuuzhan Vong attacking Coruscant was unthinkible, leading to the exact same thing happening all over again...I guess they didn't learn the lesson.
"Have you read the Revenge of the Sith novelisation? Or, are you cringe?"
🤣🤣🤣
Politicians start and end wars, troopers fight the battles and come home with the scars, or not at all.
I'm very surprised palpatine didn't use a droid army in a way similar to the Earth Federation using Zeon in the UC of Gundam.
It's not that we forget it's that you forget that the only scenes that we saw in the battle of the city was the 2003 clone wars animated series that George Lucas kind of retconned in episode 3 there is no evidence that the battle took to the ground there are no comes or references to the battle going to the ground there is no evidence of palpatines Chancellor office being rated by grievous which just leaves a plot hole in the planet of where the separatists attack if it wasn't near the Senate building the separatists are more idiotic than I thought
Ten thousand years? Try less than 20.
The Empire was a failed state which took the sith a millennium to establish. They'd have been better off ignoring Bane's stupid rule and fighting the Republic as they always had.
Seeing how the Empire/Sith lost solely because the Force itself created a Christ-figure to kill-fuck them, and they STILL corrupted him and only lost THEN due to said Christ-figures children inheriting his power, I would hardly call it a 'failed state'.
What is with evil and ten thousand years.
The Sith were gonna lose no matter what. The ideology is bullshit to the core. It may temporally succeed but will ultimately fail every time.
I was in history class in high school, watching it happen on the screen on 9-11.
Love it. May it be cannon or legends. Love the stories. But most important, I Love the adjustement of your voice over the years. Best improvement!
we need a tv show about the Empire.
Ya know, with all these dead... imagine the amount of corpse starch that could be made.
‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.’
Benjamin Franklin
I know its not your usual Star Wars topic, but I'd love some content about the Legacy era.
*sees description quote* "With thunderous applause/With cheering, and applause."
For once, I think the movie has the better Padme line (the former, to be precise).
Palps didn’t just turn ani to the dark side he turned the galaxy
8:40 is that a god damn P-90 shaped weapon in the hand of the human???
Preferably in a different channel, lets expand upon THIS psychology & every single event, from about September 11th, 2001 up to about what happened on January 6th, 2021 (anything before & after & relevant is fine & okay)…
Amazing. Exactly the kind of stuff I like to think about. Good job.
This was probably the best possible thing for palpy, this was there 9/11. Allowing the empire to grow before people realize that the empire is there to last
This was amazing 🤩 video I did not know some of this information ℹ!!!!!!!!
Grievous: we should take Chancellor Palpatine hostage…
Sidious: Do it.
You could make a whole strategy game just on the Battle Of Coruscant
To quote Chancellor Adam Sutler: "I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want every man, woman and child to understand how close we are to chaos. I want everyone to remember why they need us!"
I have covid rn these videos are very welcoming
I remember 9/11 when me and my coworkers were commenting about the government might reinstated the draft. But they're were bombings before that at military bases and a couple of embassies with our government doing nothing at the time and telling the country that they were on the other side of the planet and couldn't attack our country. In fact after 9/11 people were afraid to leave their house just like now where people won't leave their home unless everyone else is wearing a mask because they're afraid of catching covid.
But the younglings knew it would be ok , the heroes of the republic would come obi wan kenobi and anakin Skywalker would come and save them . ( revenge of the Sith novilisation)
Is there a contradiction in canon? Or legends? Because I read in more than one novel that the last months of the clone wars were a victory after another for the Republic. I remember some clone saying something like "It seems like we suddenly are winning this war in a week".
And despite all of that, the Revenge of the sith novelization says that the war was going badly for the Republic? I don't understand.
Still no mention of fordo but he's in the thumbnail....
How are years calculated in Star Wars? On earth it is the time it takes for the earth to travel around the sun. How long is a year in Star Wars?
The Senate disturbs his enemies on a scale of which makes the Battle of Coruscant look like a playground fight.
Image what Star Wars history lesions must be like
Interestingly enough, George Lucas based these movies on real life. A lot of the basic ideas are based on reality. Safe and secure is something we hear a lot in modern times.
It's like how traumatic the sack of Rome in 410 AD was for the Romans. Or how the sack of Constantinople in 1204 AD was for the Byzantines.
not forgotten never shown
I remember being angry at them at the idea of what they did
I wonder how many civilians died during the battle. Since the population was well above 3 trillion I think.
Is there a number in legends or canon?
8:36
Is that a P90 on the right? Well Star Wars does tend to use real life firearms as basis for many blasters, and the P90 is about as sci-fi as you can get.
5:40 Did general grievous always have 6 fingers?
"We are one nation, indivisible" ...no, that line wasn't on the nose at all. I can't possibly fathom what that might be referring to. [/s]
Many people say that the warhammer 40k universe is far more traumatic then the star wars universe.....but SIMETIMES you really starts to hesitate about that statement.
Art mimicking life or life mimicking art?
Revenge of the sith literally made it seem like it was only a space battle. No damage or chaos in any of the scenes after they rescue the chancellor. Casual fans who didn’t dig into lore would not even know the extent of it all.
Good times
4:28 Red Clones?
Terror for more terror.
That comparison to 9/11 hits different..