The Unnecessary Secondary: Why I Don't Use Secondary Fermenters

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  • A common question I get is whether I perform secondary fermentation in secondary fermenters or not. There are several very good reasons why I do what I do. Here is my answer.
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    00:01 Secondary fermentation is not necessary for home brewing beer.
    00:58 Secondary fermentation is not required for most beer styles
    01:28 Contrarian opinions on using secondary fermenters
    01:59 Using a secondary fermenter is unnecessary
    02:31 Not using secondary fermenters saves time and reduces the risk of contamination.
    03:08 Using secondary fermenters is unnecessary for brewing beer
    03:45 Simplicity and brewing more often by eliminating the need for a secondary fermenter.
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  • @feefifofum6383
    @feefifofum6383 3 роки тому +85

    I’ve actually found the primary to be pointless. I’ve started going direct the the secondary.

  • @larslind8364
    @larslind8364 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you for clarifying what Ive been feeling all these years. I have never transferred my beer to a secondary, but always thought I dis wrong. all the time my beers went out great.
    secondary is not necessary. Thank you Larry.

  • @fav13andacdc
    @fav13andacdc 6 років тому +3

    Thank you for posting this. I dry hop, add fruit, etc. all in primary. Never had a problem.

  • @robr3872
    @robr3872 6 років тому +2

    Great video Lar'!!! I only go to secondary when the recipe calls for dry hopping an IPA (other than high krausen dry hop) or special ingredients added like cocoa nibs, vanilla bean, and toasted coconut for a coconut stout for example. I love your, keep it real "REAL FUN" simple attitude!! Thanks again.

  • @aStrandedTexan
    @aStrandedTexan 6 років тому +2

    Hey Larry, Your videos got me into brewing!
    Thanks for all the great content and reviews!

  • @2TEN90
    @2TEN90 6 років тому +1

    Agreed! We have moved to only using one fermenter and cold crashed to get great results. Especially with things like the depth charge on the the Big Mouth Bubbler which helps with dry hopping or adding things post fermentation. Cheers!

  • @Davewick10
    @Davewick10 6 років тому +7

    Agreed 100% Larry. I stopped using a "secondary fermenter" 15-20 years ago and have had zero issues. That said I started using conical fermenters a few years ago but that was mainly to switch to stainless steel and for ease of yeast harvesting for washing and re-pitching. Cheers

  • @JeremiahT
    @JeremiahT 7 років тому +24

    I've never used a secondary. By the time I started brewing, a few years ago, most veteran homebrewers had already debunked that step so I never messed with it.

  • @ShortCircuitedBrewers
    @ShortCircuitedBrewers 7 років тому +20

    For the most part I agree with you. I do use a secondary sometimes. Mainly for dry hopping or for a stout onto vanilla beans etc. It is absolutely not necessary to transfer though. I do find the beer will clarify faster in secondary but that's about the only other benefit I see. Cheers Larry! 🍻

    • @crm75c
      @crm75c 6 років тому

      I use a secondary most times because darn it I bought the auto-siphon and extra carboys when I started 15 years ago! lol.... There are pros and cons to each.

    • @crm75c
      @crm75c 6 років тому +3

      Just had a heated debate about this very topic in a homebrew facebook group. I agree with you though anything that simplifies the brew day and makes it more enjoyable and of course shorter is better!

  • @levesque2006
    @levesque2006 6 років тому +14

    Completely agree. I only use a secondary for lagers, beers that I'm adding something to towards the end (fruit, dry hop, etc), or something that will be aging.

  • @curthenry348
    @curthenry348 5 років тому +2

    I wish you were my neighbor!! I have brewed off and on for many years ..yup I have done my process by the book..
    Thank you you for sharing your experience !

  • @TheEviltwin44
    @TheEviltwin44 5 років тому

    I'm so glad i finally have someone else agreeing with me. I've been brewing for 3 years and I only use secondary if i'm adding fruit or something like that after a week or so, and i'm sure even that isn't necessary, i just find it easier to make sure certain flavorings or oak chips are spread out more evenly if i rack on top of them. Love your channel and happy brewing!

    • @TheEviltwin44
      @TheEviltwin44 5 років тому

      @@BEERNBBQBYLARRY It's not too aggressive, but the main argument is "oh if you let it sit on the trub for that long it's going to impart off flavors in your brew." But for the relatively short time it's on there (2-3 weeks) , I completely disagree. I even had one friend argue that a tertiary was necessary to clarify the beer even farther before kegging/bottling. But if i want super clear, i just add some gelatin at kegging and get the same results. I feel like putting extra unnecessary steps in there just makes the whole process seem too difficult to people who otherwise might want to take up this awesome hobby.

  • @HStevenO65
    @HStevenO65 6 років тому

    I agree totally. My practice is just as you described and my beers are great. The only time I have done a secondary was when I did a fruit beer. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy the videos!

  • @rogermenshew1246
    @rogermenshew1246 6 років тому

    now tat what I need to hear all of the of the , that goes on. I'am glade that you say you know not once you have done this over and. thank you again

  • @dougshamblin60
    @dougshamblin60 5 років тому

    As regards beer, my experience matches your own.
    For the last 5 years, I have only made wines, predominantly meads. My primary reason to rack into another container is to let the fermented wine sit on fruit. In general I find it easier to rack the wine onto the fruit. If the wine deserves additional bulk aging I rack it once more, just because some of the more delicate fruit seems to have a limited time before it begins to have a negative effect on taste.
    While I have never experienced this directly, there is a persistent notion in some reviews that claim that Lalvin 71B-1122 can impart some less desirable tastes if left too long. Personally, I like to use this yeast for fruit wines, but because of the process I describe above I have probably never been in a position to see this happen.
    I would be interested to hear if anyone has experience that contradicts the supposed issue with this strain.
    Thanks for the great video.

  • @worldboatskiff8709
    @worldboatskiff8709 5 років тому +1

    Hearing this information just cleared up my schedule for this evening

  • @buggyridge
    @buggyridge 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks again Larry! I am quitting the practice this week. My best beers have been my own SMaSH's brewed and bottled after just 2 weeks to make it 30 days to drinking. I use carboys and 22 ounce bottles yet but contemplating going to kegs. About 50 batches now since Feb. 2019. I need to quit giving so much away!

  • @tturner7175
    @tturner7175 6 років тому +3

    I have always leaned to the K.I.S.S. method. Started brewing ales in the late 90s with a glass carboy and never did use a second fermenter and I have been brewing great tasting beer ever since. So, from my own experience I agree a 100% when brewing ales.

  • @Heisenbrick
    @Heisenbrick 4 роки тому +1

    When I made my first 3gallon batch of mead I let it go for six months in the primary fermenter, far too long because I got lazy and didn’t have confidence in my ability to brew alcohol... it tasted OK but had a bit of a dead yeast taste, so I siphoned it into some old liquor bottles and added a stick of cinnamon and a medium handful of raisins to each bottle and let it sit for two weeks, after that it was delicious! You can really smell the raisins but they don’t overpower the drink! Now I’m alot more confident with home brewing thanks to all the great UA-cam videos.

  • @tripl3x3
    @tripl3x3 7 років тому +2

    I never used a secondary when I first started brewing but recently I have started to move my beer off the trub for bottling. I have to say it has made my bottling process much easier and a clearer beer before carbonation which probably doesn't make a lot of difference as it will clear either way. I did use a secondary for dry hopping but I bottled straight from that as I had used a nylon bag for my dry hops. The other advantage for me is that I don't have as much of a clean up on bottling day because the bottling bucket is relatively clean after bottling is done. But Yes, I agree, it's not necessary to secondary. It's more down to the space and equipment I have I think.

  • @patriciamcbride2121
    @patriciamcbride2121 5 років тому +2

    Thank you I have been racking my brain as to why I have to do a secondary. Great video and much thanks

    • @patriciamcbride2121
      @patriciamcbride2121 5 років тому

      @@BEERNBBQBYLARRY indeed and I am kegging so I didn't see the point I sure appreciate it 😎

  • @boatbuilder1954
    @boatbuilder1954 6 років тому +9

    Larry, I only Brew Ales and have tried secondary a few times but do not do it anymore as I also think it is a waste of time . I do not bottle anymore either because it is a pita but I do use 6 1/2 gallon plastic buckets and love them! I leave my brew in them 2 weeks and cold crash for 24 hours and also have a clean empty and sanitized keg in kegerator ready to accept the beer from the fermenter. Once in the keg I put 20# co2 on it for 2 days and its ready to drink.
    Cheers!
    Dale

  • @dennisstahl7621
    @dennisstahl7621 6 років тому +1

    Yep I agree. I've been brewing for 24 years. Never noticed the difference with racking unless it is a super heavy porter. I guess it makes me happy to rack off the 3 inches of slooge to let it age a little longer.

  • @wraywraith
    @wraywraith 6 років тому

    Thanks for the info vids! First batch of beer ever in fermentor.

  • @michaelwright8627
    @michaelwright8627 4 роки тому

    This is some great news! Thanks, Larry.

  • @jrenmo
    @jrenmo 3 роки тому +1

    Great vid as always. Cheers, I’ve been making mead for over 10 years and recently started home brewing. 4 batches of extract under my belt so far. I’ve never secondary fermented my meads or home brews. I agree with those that say it allows for possibility of oxidation. In my eyes it’s too precious to risk. Also I don’t take gravity readings to determine when fermentation has leveled off. Again it’s too precious to waste. I want every ounce of goodness.
    Currently fermenting 5 gal of Lock Down Brown Ale extract/partial mash. I hit the target OG at 1.052 and I’ll give another week, a total of 3 weeks before racking. Waiting for my case of 2L Palla growlers to arrive so I can rack in those.

  • @supyrow
    @supyrow 6 років тому

    Great info, ill put that in my back pocket! thanks again Larry!

  • @mattmadison09
    @mattmadison09 3 роки тому

    good information Larry. New to the hobby and have been researching on whether this step is really necessary. thanks for the vid

  • @FutureBassTherapyNZ
    @FutureBassTherapyNZ 6 років тому +5

    Thanks Larry, I am rather new to this whole home brewing stuff and your videos are very helpful. Keep up the good work!

  • @jeffodabear
    @jeffodabear 3 роки тому +19

    Personally I like the secondary for the effect it has one clearing up the beer. I work as a canner in craft beer industry, and view a secondary fermenter as similar to a bright tank. Transfering it into the carboy from the brew bucket leaves less Trub to deal with when you're tranfering to your bottling bucket or a keg, even if you cold crash it. Although I do respect what you're saying and ill give it a try on a hazy ipa I have planned in the near future

    • @ME-rv1pw
      @ME-rv1pw 2 роки тому +3

      I agree, I just call it conditioning instead of secondary to clear up confusion

    • @wilkanomics
      @wilkanomics Рік тому

      I use a secondary solely for the reason of getting rid of the trub

  • @drone4kdelestrie
    @drone4kdelestrie 5 років тому

    My first batches of my double IPA were awesome...i didn't do a secondary ferment. I have 2 batches now going with 2nd ferment after roughly 5-6 days of primary and 7 for 2nd. The beer seems much clearer, but not convinced it will taste that much better. We'll see! Cheers! And great video buddy!

  • @davevjordon
    @davevjordon 7 років тому +5

    Larry, I've been following your advice for quite a while, and I think this was one of the topics I asked you about a while ago. So I've only been using a single fermenter, then it goes into the keg. And while yesterday's "Labor Day IPA" may only be my 9th? batch, I still haven't made a beer I didn't like. Thanks for all your help!

    • @TimmyTommyTippy
      @TimmyTommyTippy 6 років тому

      Hi David, I'm at the end of my 2 week first stage fermentation and am a new kegger. Do you find any noticeable yeast still settling in the keg bottom? Thanks.

  • @progers5019
    @progers5019 6 років тому

    Hey Larry, hadn't made any beer yet, but just picked a bushel of grapes and have crushed them & added sugar, pectin, nutrient, mbsulphite and have the must sitting overnite to pitch the yeast tomorrow. Thinking hard about ordering a couple fast fermenters. Watched a ton of vids last season on them. Really like the idea of no racking, just drop the sed ball. So cool. Anyway, my daughter has loads of grapes, so I had to do it. I agree with your thoughts on this. See ya

  • @junior103190
    @junior103190 4 роки тому

    Defenitely helping me out with this thanks larry

  • @aspjake123
    @aspjake123 4 роки тому

    An old school brewer 20+ years and going to try this on my next batch. I will need to rack my lambic into a secondary, i need the room to add a few pounds of raspberries. Thank you for the advice, I will also like not having too prep/clean more items than needed!

  • @clivebrooker1
    @clivebrooker1 6 років тому

    Thanks for the videos Larry, very much appreciate your pragmatic advice. Just about to start your Zombie dust clone - waiting for my homebrew shop to restock on Melanoidin grain. Cheers!

  • @hmsdefiant
    @hmsdefiant 3 роки тому

    I'm about to start brewing for the 1st time. I've always thought this seemed unnecessary, and I certainly know now. Thanks bro!

  • @patbarrenger6892
    @patbarrenger6892 4 роки тому

    Love your work Larry. Exactly what I do. 👍

  • @joachimmurphy2024
    @joachimmurphy2024 3 роки тому

    Always followed the received wisdom of the time and racked the beer off the sediment before it was finished fermenting so it continued in the secondary fermenter. Added finings and fitted an air lock at this point too. Never had any issues with infection or oxidation and it produced very clear and clean beers. Now I only use a secondary vessel for lagering, as the conventional wisdom now seems to suggest its a bit of a wasted effort. However, whilst there is not difference in flavour, I find that my ales are more hazy now at kegging / bottling stage and take longer to drop clear than previously and never quite get as crystal clear as before. I should be grateful for your advice on when and how to use finings with only one fermentation. The finings I use advise me to add after fermentation and leave for two days to clear before kegging - but I'm reluctant to do this as it will let oxygen to come into contact for a few days. Alternatively should I add finings earlier or at kegging / bottling? Thanks in advance for your kind advice, your videos are excellent. You saved me a fair wad of cash by convincing me that I don't need a conical fermenter, and you know what - I really don't. Cheers buddy!

  • @noelwright1165
    @noelwright1165 6 років тому

    I have never transferred to secondary besides once to see what all the fuss was about and went back to single stage fermentation, the beer does it's own conditioning in the bottle or keg anyway I reckon! Cheers Larry mate great vid as always!

  • @drdouglaswilde4514
    @drdouglaswilde4514 4 роки тому +3

    Agree 100%. I brew partial mash recipes. My rule-of-thumb is, you leave your Ales in the fermenter for 1 week past completion of fermentation & your Largers for 2 (up to 3 weeks, depending on type/style) weeks. Does it take more time? -yes, does it take more effort? -no, does it improve the end quality of your beer? -hell yes!

  • @xryanox
    @xryanox 6 років тому

    So many good tips. Cheers mate from Australia.

  • @steelcitysc
    @steelcitysc 7 років тому +6

    I agree with you I also dry hop in the primary

    • @madsandreassrensen3692
      @madsandreassrensen3692 6 років тому

      How do you do that? How do you get the hop covered by wort without sinking into the yeast rub at the bottom?

  • @dennisrooney8646
    @dennisrooney8646 3 роки тому +1

    I agree with you 100%. I've been brewing for 4 years and I've never done a secondary fermentation in another vessel. Northern Brewer explains what secondary fermentation is. The primary fermentation occurs relatively quick until a slowing occurs. The secondary fermentation actually has very little fermentation occurring. Secondary fermentation is simply letting your beer settle out. Typically towards the end of the second week most fermentation has halted. Just let it go the full two weeks and keg. Perfect Ale everytime. We've never had a bad batch in 4 years. This is probably the best video I have seen on this subject. I also like to remind people that a thousand years ago people were making really good beer. They didn't have conical s,refractometers or brewers yeadt for that matter. The air fermented their beer. Dont force it. Let your All Grain recipe speak for itself. You got this! CHEERS!

  • @Tsiri09
    @Tsiri09 6 років тому +6

    Thank you . I don't brew yet- I'm learning.

  • @jammingmartin2661
    @jammingmartin2661 6 років тому

    Agree, Two weeks in Blichmann and transfer. Only if i do dry hopping i just add it to the fermentor.

  • @xyber81
    @xyber81 6 років тому

    Ferment for how ever long it takes, normally chuck the drop hop in when 6 points from target gravity
    I don’t even cold crash and keg it the following weekend after it’s hit the mark.
    Every thing I use and how I go about it is standardised and I use the most efficient/least labour intensive products. The most time consuming part is taking the fittings off of the fermenter to clean it.
    It’s got to the point now that it’s actually less work to keep the fermenter constantly in action. I just passivate it once a year.
    Kit I use if your interested :-
    SS Brewtech brewmaster bucket & FTss backed up with a heat belt on an inkbird if the temperature/weather is a bit unpredictable
    Tilt hydrometer
    PBW for cleaning (100% labour free)
    Starsan in a spray bottle
    Cyklone paint mixer in a drill to aerate the wort
    Supermarket mineral water
    In- keg dry hopper if I feel it needs a little more of a kick, which is just left in till it’s drank
    I tend to use extract kits for quickness and just sub out the brewing sugar for mangrove jacks pure malt extract. I few times a year I can get a drum of fresh wort from a brewery but to be honest I can’t really say I can notice much difference. It’s all way better than shop bought.
    Just kegged a fresh wort batch with a massive amount of hops and mango extract that I’m really looking forward to

  • @fitzwise779
    @fitzwise779 6 років тому +3

    I agree with you on most styles especially ales that a secondary is totally unnecessary,

  • @tedschuurmans
    @tedschuurmans 5 років тому

    Thank you, that's what I wanted to hear !

  • @benzedrex
    @benzedrex 6 років тому +3

    I agree after first fermentation is done what you need is just patience

  • @danielsalach1234
    @danielsalach1234 5 років тому

    When I got started in making homebrew was in the early 90s and the first kit was a single stage fermenter a 6.8 gal bucket just got started that way.

  • @zulu5oscar765
    @zulu5oscar765 3 роки тому

    Good video. I make meads and ciders, and I’ll definitely try and eliminate a needless step if I can.

  • @troyw.holmfsamaaa3800
    @troyw.holmfsamaaa3800 5 років тому +1

    Just did my first primary-to-corny. Thanks for making me feel like it was a good choice! Mark Butera, owner of O'so Brewing Company in Wi, has also told me that secondary is a waste of time.
    Question for you BnBBQL, what is the fastest pale ale from cook to serve? The Cream Ale I cooked on Oct 31 I am trying to serve on November 15th. I kegged on the 10th, it is in a fridge now, then I am going to carb it tonight (Nov 13th). I'll let you all know what happens.

  • @chrisschultzconz
    @chrisschultzconz 7 років тому +1

    I dry hop, cold crash and add gelatine all to my primary. I rack off crystal clear (commercial quality) beer every time, usually in 7-10 days from brew day. I have SS Brew Buckets so have an adjustable racking cane so it makes avoiding the trub during bottling/kegging easy.

  • @MadMax00215
    @MadMax00215 4 роки тому

    Sorry to necro-post on a 2 year old video, but from what I've heard, just like you mentioned, there ARE certain times you need to get your beer or your wine off the dregs. Lagers are one, however, my personal opinion is that you have to allow enough time for your yeast to "clean up after themselves" so to speak. So if you are going to use secondaries, which is totally up to the individual brewer or vintner, don't be in too much of a rush. I have 12 gallons of wine that up until recently, had be sitting on the secondary dregs (yeah yeah I racked it out of primary after a month or so lol) for about 9 months. I just degassed it and oaked half of it. It may sit several more months until I'm ready to bottle. Patience is always rewarded. Happy brewing! Love the videos btw!

  • @3rwparks3
    @3rwparks3 7 років тому

    Who am I to argue. You have been doing this longer than me. CHEERS!!

  • @fatangmo5680
    @fatangmo5680 5 років тому

    100% can attest to this being true. I used to do primary and secondary when brewing 15 years ago; then had a break, moved country and started brewing again recently - same recipes, different rig, but stopped secondary and the beer is terrific, clear, no off flavour and much easier.

  • @baghiballsakh82
    @baghiballsakh82 3 роки тому +4

    Good to hear this. I've been trawling the web the past couple of days trying to get this settled in my head after preparing to get a brew on after a looong time off. You've just confirmed my suspicions. It makes sense, the best beers I ever made were the ones when I first started off simple. Complications came when I overcomplicated the process after 'researching' and convincing myself I should be doing things that are really unnecessary. Cheers 🍻 subbed 👍

  • @johno7617
    @johno7617 4 роки тому

    Totally agree. I brew all belgian style ales and the bottle is the only secondary you need in homebrew

  • @jali898
    @jali898 3 роки тому

    thank you for the information...i am going to follow your advice and leave the 80 pints i have brewing for another week or two ...thanks again

  • @alanbrown1848
    @alanbrown1848 6 років тому

    You are 100% right, not only is the green beer susceptible to airborne bugs, secondary fermentation is a complete waste of time. Without blowing my own trumpet, I have been homebrewing since 1982 and decided to grainbrew in 1990 and such experience has taught me that secondary fermentation increases the chances of a ruined five gallon (23 litre) batch. For convenience I use the Grainfather that is highly recommended. Happy brewing!!

  • @grumblyone3334
    @grumblyone3334 6 років тому

    I just started my very 1st batch 2 days ago. I already have it in my plan to do a 2nd-ary, but I'm plenty interested in doing a single fermented batch for my 2nd! For that matter... I've always liked a little cloudy beer anyhow. Usually has a little more character I've believed.

  • @ricafe
    @ricafe 6 років тому

    I had a feeling that a secondary fermenter is a waste of time and money. And you Sir nailed it. Thanks!

  • @mattmarcovitch4617
    @mattmarcovitch4617 4 роки тому +3

    I feel like secondary speeds up how fast it clears up and finishes, you can leave it in primary, but will get the same beer faster with a secondary ferment. I have been doing beer and wine both ways for a few years and prefer the two stage ferment. That's the beauty of brewing your own, you do it your own way.

    • @mattmarcovitch4617
      @mattmarcovitch4617 4 роки тому +1

      I dont mind doing a little to get a lot, I have a batch of wine in 3 weeks and is clearer and cleaner both in flavour and appearance. Less time, better quality, we brew our own to have the best, why cut corners?

  • @BrewsBanner
    @BrewsBanner 6 років тому +3

    It depends on the type of ale your brewing. I make NE style IPAs and West Coast Pales so secondary and even third dry hopping do incorporate new bright oily flavors. Hops sitting in your beer longer than 4-6 days can start putting off a vegetabley grassy flavor. I like to keep em fresh and plentiful to get that juicy hop nectar

    • @dvdrwsor
      @dvdrwsor 5 років тому

      Goggle
      Twist-Lock Spice Ball Tea Infuser
      and please answer back. Will this help avoid transfer ?
      There are lots of sizes, and you can even use 2 or more at a time.

  • @_stars_at_nite_7184
    @_stars_at_nite_7184 3 роки тому

    Started brewing since Covid and have not used a secondary yet, and all have come out looking great. Now tasting is another things...but that’s my fault being a beginner brewer! 😆 Great video. 🍻

  • @haifamarkets8
    @haifamarkets8 3 роки тому +2

    As a beginner I started with one fermenter. All was good for me. Now I started doing a secondary and did not see much difference. The only reason I can think of is that you get a supposed clearer wine when using secondary. However, that can still be achieved by siphoning it correctly into bottles without touching the bottom of fermenter or agitating the mix. For sure, much less work and less risk of contamination. It is always nice to hear different opinions from experience guys. Thanks Larry.

    • @BEERNBBQBYLARRY
      @BEERNBBQBYLARRY  3 роки тому

      Thanks. With wine, racking every few months during the bulk aging process is another matter. Racking during fermentation makes no sense for either wine or beer IMO.

    • @Afterone
      @Afterone Рік тому

      Larry has his process down pat. As a home brewer and wine maker I can agree with much. A lot has to do with equipment, temperature and of course ingredients. Secondary fermentation is beneficial for certain styles, just like wine. And yes, if you are using basic ingredients it does help with clarity.

  • @lw973w
    @lw973w 6 років тому

    great video Larry!

  • @Edumacationification
    @Edumacationification 6 років тому +5

    Generally speaking: the only thing "necessary" to making alcohol is sugar, water and yeast. Anything beyond those three things literally come down to what you "prefer".
    Beer and wine both develop flavors as they age. Adding brown sugar vs white sugar to wine will taste nearly identical two weeks in the bottle but wait three months and the difference is significant. If you plan on drinking a batch within a month or two then it probably doesn't make a difference. If you let it sit in a bottle for 3 or more months then it likely makes more of a difference.

  • @jdmlong
    @jdmlong 7 років тому +67

    Haha, nice. Watching as my beer drains into the secondary. Cheers!

    • @jdmlong
      @jdmlong 7 років тому +8

      You make a lot of good points though. I thought my beer started coming out better after doing secondaries, but chances are that the extra two weeks of conditioning would have been achieved in bottles just as well.

    • @jdmlong
      @jdmlong 7 років тому +6

      BEER-N-BBQ by Larry I will certainly give it a shot on my next batch and compare.

    • @rodlopez8051
      @rodlopez8051 4 роки тому

      Let for 2 weeks
      Thats all you need

    • @raspingalmond3059
      @raspingalmond3059 3 роки тому

      Hey Larry! What about adding fruit or other flavors, oak chips or dry hopping? Thanks!

    • @awesomepumashoes
      @awesomepumashoes 3 роки тому

      @@jdmlong did it end up the same without a secondary?

  • @teecarter4900
    @teecarter4900 4 роки тому

    Thank you for the insight.

  • @christopherosborne7270
    @christopherosborne7270 6 років тому

    Thanks for the video been brewing for a year and ready to step up my game. What’s your go to fermentation vessel?

  • @danielrowe2174
    @danielrowe2174 6 років тому

    I see your point about not liking secondary fermentor. I'm still young in Home Brewing and use the glass carboys for secondary for simply clearing my beer. That's really what it was intended to do unless you filter your beer when transferring it. There is always risk of infection when transferring beer, but the best way to avoid bit is to PRATICE RELIGIOUS SANITATION HABITS, you can never over sanitize.

  • @Tomerus_NL
    @Tomerus_NL 5 років тому

    Would love to know.. when making hard apple cider.. can I skip the secondary as well? Thank you

  • @davidmoore5401
    @davidmoore5401 5 років тому

    Hi Larry, love your videos, man. They're only getting better. I tried home brewing back around 1995 and got infected gross beer and I blame most of it on racking to a secondary and bottling. I'm a B&BBQ by Larry disciple now, though. I have a brewer's best west coast IPA extract kit bubbling away in my glass carboy right now and have my corny keg ready to roll.
    Recipe calls for 1 ounce of dry hop pellets. I'll wait until fermentation seems to have stopped. Sanitize the outside of the pellet pack. Remove the bung and airlock. Open the packet and pour in the hops.
    Question: do you sanitize the airlock bung and airlock before putting it back on? If so, do you cover the carboy opening while doing this?
    Sorta dumb newb question maybe...but who wants to waste a month for dirty beer?

  • @goldgulfcoastdesignericsho8628
    @goldgulfcoastdesignericsho8628 7 років тому

    I never move to secondary fermenter and have never had issues with off flavors from the yeast trub, that's about one month from brew to racking into keg. If it's going to be longer I usually rack to secondary. How long have you left a Ale in fermenter? Thanks Larry love your videos.
    Eric

  • @josuetorres9386
    @josuetorres9386 6 років тому

    nice info thanks Larry!

  • @TheOlah
    @TheOlah 7 років тому

    I agree with not using a secondary fermenter. I started home-brewing about a year and a half ago. When starting off I was always following the time guidelines on how long to let it sit In primary and then secondary.
    Now a few months ago I've just been leaving my beer in primary and just going strait to keg and have had no issues. Even for the beer that I have not had room in kegs for that sat in the primary for close to a month. Defiantly not racking to secondary cuts down on time.
    I defiantly would say it may help to a point for clearing your beer but from experience if you going to keg most of everything will settle out in the keg and it will pour out within your first pours especially when using gelatin.

  • @seanbassler3604
    @seanbassler3604 5 років тому +6

    I rarely do a secondary mostly a waste of time for a
    Pale Ales, IPAs and some other ales that are best fermented for less than a month.

  • @hippiedaze3046
    @hippiedaze3046 5 років тому +2

    You are doing it right! When I make mead I use a secondary only to add my fruit.

  • @vtail736
    @vtail736 7 років тому +1

    I have done it both ways with excellent results, but prefer to use the secondary fermenter. There's something about having several secondary's lined up with different brews watching them through the glass jug.
    As I wrote that I was looking at 2 glass carboys filled with deliciousness and joy, (Cream Ale & Pumpkin Beer) soon to be kegged. Does it get any better? I think not.

  • @kevgotti5385
    @kevgotti5385 3 роки тому

    I’m actually in the middle of my first home brew but I can totally see the point you’re making here, it just leaves me with 2 questions.
    What do I do with my glass carboy? Can I ferment a different batch in there?
    And how do I know my beer is done fermenting and ready to be bottled in the “primary”?

  • @lucaso777
    @lucaso777 6 років тому

    I agree with the primary discussion. However, I've heard that too much headroom can make your beer turn out poorly. I mis-measured my last batch and ended up with 3.5 gallons instead of 5 gallons. I set it up in my 6.5gal primary and I still have a dry hop to add after teh first week. Should I transfer to a 5 gallon to reduce the headroom and risk the oxygenation or just throw the dry hops in and cross my fingers?

  • @ladyfermenter-ThanksAPint
    @ladyfermenter-ThanksAPint Рік тому

    I think you are 100% correct! When the is done, it's done! Cheers

  • @mattmichaels3980
    @mattmichaels3980 5 років тому

    Thanks Larry... one of my glass carboys just busted and I thought it would hurt my flow...

  • @deathgolbez
    @deathgolbez 5 років тому +1

    Question: How do you keep the trub from being transferring into the keg using this method?

  • @RedSkeletone
    @RedSkeletone 6 років тому

    What do you think about a cider made with wine yeast? How long do you think it should sit sur lees? (on the yeast cake) Do you think it should be racked into a secondary fermenter? And do you think it should be cold crashed?

  • @TimmyTommyTippy
    @TimmyTommyTippy 6 років тому +5

    I'm a newbie kegger and only learnt today that people secondary ferment. Luckily I watched your video before picking up some bad habits. I'm guessing it's not common here in Australia as we have no problems with cloudy or hot beer as long as it's alcoholic;-)

    • @SuperNoncents
      @SuperNoncents 5 років тому

      Depends on the style of beer also doesn't it?

  • @ForgetU
    @ForgetU 6 років тому

    I used primary only, many years ago.
    Do secondary now only when I dry hop, what do you think of secondary for dry hopping?

  • @stevengudewich6873
    @stevengudewich6873 2 роки тому

    1:02 100% agree. I use a secondary fermenter for my lager style beers because I really do believe it helps the beer come out clearer when fermentation is done and you start laggering the batch. But for Ale's, completely pointless. It just introduces oxidation.

  • @jordanpage176
    @jordanpage176 4 роки тому

    What if I’m making a Berliner Weisse and want to add fruit or fruit purees?
    Then would you recommend a primary 7 day and then another week or 2 on top of the fruit?

  • @krisiglehart3061
    @krisiglehart3061 6 років тому +2

    I am a fanatic for clear beer why i dont know but i like clear beer. I have used secondary fermentation and have kegged out of primaries and have had no problem with clarity on most beers, but when I brew pilsners/lagers I use secodaries to get the beer off the yeast bed to avoid off flavors and for clarity.

  • @bambamty
    @bambamty 4 роки тому

    Ive been brewing hard cider recently and it's turned out pretty well but i think i could improve it! My previous recipes typically took 7-10 days to brew then i bottled from there. But after a month or so in the bottles the clarity and taste has massively improved!
    Would it be worth me leaving in the primary fermenter for even longer, maybe 4 weeks or so? And would racking into a second demojohn to bulk age help the taste? Thanks!

  • @TheEagle124
    @TheEagle124 4 роки тому

    Hey Larry,
    Just getting back into home brewing after a short hiatus, and i stumbled on this video today and really it makes a lot of sense. the one question i have pertains to resting your beer on say fruit or (if you're using a kit) like whiskey soaked oak chips. is one of those situations still a case where you would use a secondary fermentation? or would you add it to your primary fermentation?
    Thanks for what you do!

  • @stopher2tube
    @stopher2tube 4 роки тому

    i go further. after kegging i leave fermener in freezer at 35F w residual cover beer on trub and teast. it is already sanitized and co2 cause i pressed out beer w co2. now i simply warm to room temp and add new wort to cake and let next wort ferment.

  • @michaelrizo4980
    @michaelrizo4980 4 роки тому

    I am new to brewing and enjoyed your You Tube videos on fermenters. I am an early fan of not using a secondary. What would you do for a oak chip bourbon coffee stout. Your supposed to put chips with bourbon and coffee in a secondary for 2-6 months?

  • @hunghillary
    @hunghillary 5 років тому

    I just brewed my first ever batch of Irish Red Ale that is sitting on day 3 of it's primary fermentation. i got it from a recipe kit and the instructions say to do a secondary fermentation. i already have the secondary fermenter, so it wouldn't be a problem to do. my question to you is; what is a secondary fermentation good for? what is the general purpose of it?

  • @johnweller
    @johnweller 4 роки тому

    larry, great vid. if you were adding a can of fruit puree to a wheat beer, would you add it to primary after a week or so? or, would this example be a reason to transfer to a secondary?

  • @scottandujar7356
    @scottandujar7356 6 років тому

    Awesome video, Larry! I've been wondering if a secondary is a waste of effort, and you convinced me to try skipping the secondary in my next brew. I'm curious if you would suggest cold crashing while the beer is still in the carboy, particularly because I still bottle (saving for a kegging setup). Thanks for always keeping us informed!

    • @scottandujar7356
      @scottandujar7356 6 років тому

      BEER-N-BBQ by Larry that's what I figured. I brew a lot of hazy ipas and my biggest struggle is getting the hop plant matter to settle prior to bottling. I think getting it cold could help. Thanks for your feedback!