Understanding the War in Ukraine (11) - West and the Rest
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- STG Director Prof Alexander Stubb sheds light on the war in Ukraine in a series of video lectures. Each lecture focuses on a different angle regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
This eleventh episode is about "The West and the Rest", and how the rest of the world looks at the conflict.
Previous video lectures in this series cover the general situation, Finland, Europe, "the world", Russia, China, the United States of America, NATO, Power and instruments of power.
This episode was recorded on 2 May 2022.
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Much of the problems in the world stems from the fact that people know nothing about history, geography, religion of their neighbors. Thanks for your interesting facts and ideas Stubb.
In truth, the whole world is your neighbour.
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
@@kazupemaruta6990
i am glad i am not having russia as a neighbour
@Celeron
yes, you have very deep insight in history and politics. don't worry putin will save findland from themselves. and poland, germany, france, italy, england, america, argentina.
I just wonder , have you seen recent video of Azofstal defenders giving up to Russians? Would you please explain to me why almost each of them had svastika tattoo? Did Russians tatoo all of them first? Or USA is suporting Nazis? Why in Czech Repuplic is tattoo like that prohibited? I am confused :) Blinken and Biden and whole NATO are Nazis too?
I’ll start with an introduction, then three points, and a conclusion.
I am excited every time I see a new video in this series, because:
1) they’re well-reasoned,
2) they’re well-researched
3) make sense and are internally consistent
Conclusion: I will keep watching every one.
I just wonder , have you seen recent video of Azofstal defenders giving up to Russians? Would you please explain to me why almost each of them had svastika tattoo? Did Russians tatoo all of them first? Or USA is suporting Nazis? Why in Czech Repuplic is tattoo like that prohibited? I am confused :) Blinken and Biden and whole NATO are Nazis too?
@@mirekslechta7161 The far-right party won *no seats* in the most recent Ukraine election (which were free and fair, unlike a Russian election!), so Ukraine as a nation is *NOT* far-right/Nazi. Russia is killing Ukrainian civilians by the thousands that, by their own election results, proved themselves to NOT be Nazis. Don't believe Putin's lies. As for the Azov regiment, I haven't seen enough video, or high enough quality, to assess the tattoos of "almost each" of the 1000+ prisoners taken from Azovstal, and if you insist otherwise then you're not being honest with us.
@@ScrapKing73 To be honest with you, it all does not matter to me. IMHO it is not OK that USA wants to expand via new NATO members against Russia´s will. It caused this war and it could be nuclear one day... It was preventable if USA would agree, that Russia has similar rights like USA to assure it´s own security. (Like Monroe doctrine) . That is what matters to me much more than swastikas.. Admitting or even inviting Sweden, or Finland is redusing NATO current member´s security SINCE IT IS RISING PROBABILITY OF NUCLEAR WAR BETWEEN NATO AND RUSSIA...rising probability of brutal destrucion in nuclear war. USA is all behind this stupid inviting new members!!! USA is making Europe unsafe rather than safe!! WE need to get rid of USA here in Europe, not Russia!! Russia is our neighbour , not USA, Russia can sell us cheap oil and gas and other raw materials not USA!!!! Do you agree?
@@mirekslechta7161 If Russia didn't invade Ukraine and murder thousands of Ukrainian civilians (and counting), then there's a near-zero chance of Sweden and/or Finland applying for NATO membership, so your "not OK" comment seems entirely misplaced. How is the US behind them joining NATO? That sounds like fan-fiction, not something based in reality.
@@ScrapKing73 HOW is US behind Finland wanting to join NATO? Here is answer: 1) IF USA would let Russia to have something like Monroe doctrine...than USA would have assured Russia last year, that NATO would no longer expand as Putin wanted, right? Than I believe we would have no big mess in Europe , less inflation, no war, goog relationship with Russia and so on, all very very usefull to Europe...Of course ,it would mean no interest of Finland to join. Do you see better now how is USA all behind it?
Dear Professor Stubb,
I'd love to go on a bike ride with you and argue about politics and ethics one day. However, as that's highly unlikely I still want to express my sincere gratitude for the free education. Kiitos paljon!
Surprising that series about war in Ukraine, haven't had an episode about Ukrainian position, for 11 episodes already
You mean militarily/tactically, politically or diplomatically?
I think he is in an institution focused on "transnational governance," and that means processes that occur between several countries, I hope that helps. Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
@@riku3716 same geopolitical view as other lectures, I understand that it's not a chanel for military/tactical analysis
@@toddbilleci8563 Yeah that's understandable, but there were other lectures focusing on one county, China, US, EU. Without covering the Ukrainian perspective, it looks as if Ukraine is an object not a subject, although I can understand it if they don't know or understand enough context to make a full good episode, because it's better to have none than a false one
@@artemsemivolos5300 You have right: Ukraine is an object! If Ukraine itself had a chance to choose between not aligning with NATO or being in the war it is clear what they will opt for.
NATO says no matter how many countries deny Kosovo, Kosovo is independent; Russia says no matter how many countries deny Donbass, Donbass is independent.
This is the real justice.
yeah, even if Donbass itself doesn't claim for independency and wants to a be a part of Russia. and to show everyone how independent that region is, Russia settled there a government fully dependent on Russia, placed its military forces there and issued Russian passports for the citizens.
I'd love to have some sort of followup series in a couple of months, maybe reflecting the things that happend till then.
Big fan of this series!
I am glad you are explaining the alternative perspectives.
Yes, half of the people in the world are thinking differently.
This is a valuable point of view for resolving the issues sooner rather than later. Helpful! Regards.
They think differently because they actually have access to the facts and from different perspectives. In the west we were cut off from reality. Whatever Zelenski says is simple reported as absolute true, no checks, no questions. Any point, claim, arguments from the Russian side are labeled as propaganda. The narrative is simple "Putin is evil" and everything just happened as a extension of his evilness. This is Marvel movie vilan. If our media would have a minimum of competence and honesty the whole picture would be very different.
This is not an alternative perspective. He try to get emphaty from the rest of the world. Even the rest of the world just awared this war is about US's Nato and russia conflict and ukrainians are the victims here.
Not really. Most of those people are irrelevant geopolitically. Like you can write off Africa. India is important, but that’s an issue for China to think about. From an American perspective, outside of Canada and Mexico, none of these nations matter. That’s the benefit, and the burden, of being the global hegemon. The US can take its toys and go home. Or it can take its toys and blow them up in your backyard. There’s not a whole lot anyone can do about it.
This clip made my week as always. It's awesome!
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
Very factual and well presented. Hope as many people as possble see this presentation. Well done Prof. Stubb.
Asylum seekers get to go to the nearest country not the country they wished to emigrate to. Countries further away can choose to take in refugees but they are not obliged.
And this argument doesn't even take into account the demographics of previous refugee situations or the issues of rogue states like Belarus trying to destabilize the Polish border cause they got penalized for hijacking planes.
Well, most of Ukrainian refugees are in Poland now, but Poland can’t take all of them and provide shelter and work. So people are moving to other countries. Life is keep going, people can’t wait months, they need work and education. But of course, every country free to choose, provide help or not
Poland is not made of rubber, you know. Also, remind me who got penalized for hijacking Julian Assange's plane?
No, international law says refugees can chose and countries have to take them.
Immigrants go wherever they want provided the host nation is willing to take them. Ukrainians qualify as refugees due to the fact that Russia is carrying out a mission of trying to erase the idea of a Ukraine from existence. They believe that people currently calling themselves Ukrainians are actually uneducated Russians who just need re-education. Neighboring countries should be where 85% of refugees end up because ultimately the goal is to stabilize the nation in question enough that 99.9999% of surviving refugees end up back home fairly quickly. It should be a global effort to assist those neighboring country in taking in and hosting the refugees. But ultimately refugees traveling further from their home country just end up costing more money in the long run when it's time for them to return home.
That’s not actually how it works. Your premise is faulty. Are you saying this is how it should work, that someone seeking refuge or asylum should only be able to apply to an adjacent country? How would that work for a Jew in Holland during WWII? They should apply for asylum with the Vichy government in France, only to be handed over to the Nazis?
You've touched good points. Over 60% of the post WW2 armed conflicts happened in Africa and Asia but Reaction from the west hasn't been the same.
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
yes, but you should have had your own reaction then. again you are justifying an utter evil by looking at something at the past.
@@ursodermatt8809 Am not justifying any evil or the war. This video was about the rest. The rest are the outliers they may be the minority but this video was about having their reasons heard however controversial they may be.
@@maserekasimon9537
the situation is quite clear:
russia tries to conquer another country and commits war crimes and atrocities in the process.
so, what is their reasons to be heard about supporting war crimes?
@@mirekslechta7161 I've followed his videos very well. It's not propaganda. Propaganda are not transparent with the side they support. He says it openly in all videos. He is pro NATO. But here he is giving views of the rest including those that are pro Russia
The only negative issue I have with this series is that it’s over!
Paljon kiitoksia Herra Stubb!
Thankyou for reminding us that we are only recently enlightened in terms of history.
Small correction, at approx min 12.
India is the biggest importer of Russian made arms.
And has been for decades, since Indira Gandhi's rule.
India also has serious border issues with Pakistan and China.
Great series of talks, thank you.
I agree Professor Stubb offers penetrating insights and helps understand the war in a broader context
I just wonder , have you seen recent video of Azofstal defenders giving up to Russians? Would you please explain to me why almost each of them had svastika tattoo? Did Russians tatoo all of them first? Or USA is suporting Nazis? Why in Czech Repuplic is tattoo like that prohibited? I am confused :) Blinken and Biden and whole NATO are Nazis too?
What a great channel. Happy I'll be visiting Finland for the first time soon. :))
I think these are valuable insights about what is happening in the world right now.
A great series but I agree some other comments: its missing something if you don't cover Ukraine and Ukrainians in a series about a war in Ukraine.
Or, to put it from a Finnish perspective ... it would be like discussing the Winter War without talking about how and why the Finns fought as they did :)
Great expression of a common sense idea!
Hear, hear!
That’s a good thought. Would the individual Ukrainian’s response have been different had Zalenski fled the country when offered a flight out at the start of the invasion? Pure speculation, but individual actions by leaders can shape a population response, and was the Finnish leadership in the Winter War similar?
yes, we have to see "finlandization" from a global perspective and not only from the finish point of view for example
@@keithiverson6687 yes, it was quite similar, only without modern media.
not a mini series anymore is it 😅
And I want it not to be 😂
Bit like the war, heyo!
Have you ever heard a normal lecture from this guy? If you had, I'm not sure you would make this point.
@@malcolmyoungacdc It started as a 4-episode series, so stated in the first episode.
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
Thnaks from Estonia. Stubb is smart man.
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
Very interesting balanced analysis
Thanks for your objectivity and addressing to the west from historic perspective that it should rethink itself in this new reality.
Coexistence with psychopathic dictators is not possible".
Christopher Hitchins
So true
Man I really love these. Wish Prof Stubb would do these about all sorts of world events but he seems like a busy man.
I just wonder , have you seen recent video of Azofstal defenders giving up to Russians? Would you please explain to me why almost each of them had svastika tattoo? Did Russians tatoo all of them first? Or USA is suporting Nazis? Why in Czech Repuplic is tattoo like that prohibited? I am confused :) Blinken and Biden and whole NATO are Nazis too?
Good video, but the 100dB outro probably annoys my neighbour.
Flirting with 112 DB on my rig.
Was wondering if anyone else noticed that.
🤣🤣🤣
Neil Fergusen is writing a book about Kissenger. I wonder if he's going to include a passage about how Kissinger and Nixon's morally repulsive position in the India Pakistan war of 1971 is still bearing bitter fruits.
The Indian response today, 50 years later, is that they have bitter memories of how America sided with Pakistan.
US is funded 50 billion USD for Pakistan Terrorism in last 75 years , including europe funded pakistan.
NGO's funding , Stalling Development , Sponsoring Religious conversions through missionaries , Directly getting involved in internal affair's , Killing scientists, Tech colonialism ..
It's common in asia/africa/Latin America in last 75 years .
Yes
To be fair and to take etical decisions in every aspect of life would be ideal BUT in crisis situations like the war in Ukraine, we must not allow perfectionism to be an obstacle to do what must be done. Let me explain. I read many comments on social media saying things like "But Europe didn't accept so many migrants from other nationalities" or "The US did this or that". All of that is true, absolutely true, but my questions for these people are the following:
- Since europeans accept people similar to them more easily and simply won't fully open their doors to migrants or refugees from countries of the middle east, would you be prepared to NOT give assistance to ukranians now just to "treat everyone equally"? Only to be in the moral high ground?
- Since the US invaded or influenced other countries in the past, would you be prepared to deny economic and logistical assistance to Ukraine now to compensate for past US actions? Do you think that the death of ukranian grandmas somehow benefits the countries that the US invaded? When you see the problems caused by the US, do you really see the solution of these problems in the Kremlin's regime? Or is it just revanchist satisfaction?
The war in Ukraine present us choices between the bad and the worst. If we listened to this kind of people, we would stay still in an ethical paralisys, like frightened rabbits, too overwelmed by the imperfection of the options before us. If we listened to these people we wouldn't let ukranians flee to the EU and we would ignore Ukraine because we would "need to compensate for our sins". Then Ukraine would fall, Russia would get stronger and the war would expand. Would that be a better world? I say it's time to step aside those considerations for a time (or internally reflect on them as Alexander Stubb suggest). I say it's time to choose the less bad outcome and do it with decision.
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
@Tracchofyre re blaming the coming (already here?) food crisis on the war in Ukraine is perhaps a somewhat West centric viewpoint? Here is a list of the world top 10 wheat producers ...
China - 134,254,710
India - 107,590,000
Russia - 85,896,326
United States - 49,690,680
Canada - 35,183,000
France - 30,144,110
Pakistan - 25,247,511
Ukraine - 24,912,350
Germany - 22,172,100
Turkey - 20,500,000
... with Ukraine coming in 8th. Food shortages associated with loss of Ukrainian crops to the world market are directly due to the war. And theoretically there should be enough wheat produced by the rest of the world to at least avoid the worst of world hunger if distributed equitably. But of course, like the Covid vaccine distributions this is unlikely to happen. This will be further complicated if China, India and other nations decide to hold back the bulk of their export crops to ensure food security for their own people in the coming short term. future. Though we may disagree with this, truth is - given how we in the West have behaved, we have little right to disapprove or condemn them for this.
But hunger and starvation in Africa and the Middle East nations etc that rely on Russian grain will be more directly a result of the West's initiated sanctions against Russia. As will food shortages world wide as result of our sanctions against Russian fertlizers etc. No matter how much we in the West like to pretend that there is no distinction between the war and the sanctions, it would be naive of us to assume the majority of people in the Global South and Asia cannot understand the distinction and know it is a direct result of the West's behaviours that they suffer, and not because of Russia's invasion. Whilst we in the West talk incessantly of the number of nations that voted in favour of the UN motion condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine (a good example of virtue signalling), we spend an almost equal amount of time ignoring the list of nations that declined to join in our nuclear option economic sanctions against Russia. Is this because this 2nd vote does not fit our occasionally sanctimonious narrative?
"like frightened rabbits, too overwelmed by the imperfection of the options before us." SWEET!!! Well said!
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But you are missing the point my friend. The hypocrisy and belligerence of the West is what people have gotten tired of. Belgrade, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran (General killed by tRump)... and now Russia. Do you see the pattern already? And each time, the West justifies their aggression by being the Judge, Jury and Executioner, all at the same time.
After 22 years of warning by Putin, NATO is trying to move their front to Russia's doorstep. So, people don't see this as a Ukraine war; they feel sorry for Ukraine. (more on that later). Most people believe that Russia has the right to protect its borders from the same aggression that befell the other countries I listed. It's like the school bully that finally meets its match. All the school kids want him to get a bloody nose, as a checkmate on its aggression.
That's why the Pope said that "NATO started this war," like it started the other ones; except this time it has met its match, and the school kids are praying for the bully to be taught a lesson --- hoping that it may stop!
As for Ukraine, it needs a leader, not a comedian. This is serious business. A good leader will stay as a buffer and not try to be the NATO frontline. A good leader will let Russia and NATO fight their war, while he seeks the interest of his people. But to fight NATO's war, is to be destroyed by Russia, no matter how many standing ovations he gets.
Angela Markel: "How many weapons can we give Ukraine so that Russia losses the war?" Circa 2015.
PS: If Putin attacked Ukraine just because he wants to keep Ukraine in the Russian sphere, as you seem to have been made to believe, the whole world will be against him. But NATO's aggression is the ex-factor, and that's why majority of the world support Russia.
Think you have been reading too much anti-Russian propaganda from the west.
@@khalifa3335 I am from Czech Republic and I never wanted to be in NATO. Now I feel it is a desister to be NATO, because Admitting or even inviting Sweden, or Finland is redusing NATO current member´s security SINCE IT IS RISING PROBABILIY OF NUCLEAR WAR BETWEEN NATO AND RUSSIA...rising probability of brutal destrucion in nuclear war. USA is all behind this stupid inviting new members!!! USA is making Europe unsafe rather than safe!! WE need to get rid of USA here in Europe, not Russia!! Russia is our neighbour , not USA, Russia can sell us cheap oil and gas and other raw materials not USA!!!!
I thank your views on this, and I just wanted to add that as of us in Africa we see more conflict and suffering from the side of the west while Russia has been a supportive to social and political stable. We are society who has never wanted conflicts with anyone!!
Maybe most africa's countries think its time for European to taste its own medicen.
Lol. Yea Africans have a long and storied history of peaceful cooperation and strong, stable, governance. Please.
Small correction. India is the biggest " importer" of arms from Russia, not " exporter " as you said , which must be a slip of tongue.
The way he said it I knew exactly what he meant but I wonder if that verbiage was a result of English not being his primary language. I often forget about the struggles others have with my native tongue because it is what I am used to. As he said it my mind interpreted it as India is the number one place that Russia exports arms to. Which seemed like an odd though technically correct way of describing it. Someone with English being their first language would say that India is the primary importer of Russian arms. But I wonder what language rules might exist that place more or less importance on which nation gets named in what order based on what is happening in the sentence.
70% of indian defense capital budget is used to buy indigenous weapons from indian companies.
Mostly India got Soviet era equipment which slowly india licensed from Russia and manufacturing in india.
India is not going to buy anything from West or Russia
defense companies from all over the world are in joint production , tech transfer , License manufacturing , Consultancy in last decade in india.
One indian mindless fellow gautam come here commenting about absolute no knowledge about indian defense industry how india quietly licensed Russian equipment which reduced dependency significantly in last decade
Once again a wonderful set of observations. Thank you. What is your take on the Turkish and (Hungarian?) objections to Sweden and Finland joining NATO?
Agree, it would be interesting to hear from someone as knowledgeable as Stubb on that subject.
Good question: IMHO Turkey needs to accept two things. 1. Sweden and Finland into Nato 2. Kurdistan as a sovereign nation on lands that is partly occupied by Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Russia. The Kurds deserve their own sovereign country since long! A New World Order MUST include a Kurdistan among other new countries to be establish in present-day Russia for instance. New borders need to be drawn in Africa according to ethnic backgrounds and new referendums. A lot of work coming up....for a better World, a peaceful world, an ecologically sustainable world, a world of cooperation and unions. Better jobs, better laws, socially improved through better wealth distribution, etc....
@@alexanderthegreat5519 you better get to work then.
@@alexanderthegreat5519 Sure. But what do you offer Turkey in exchange for accepting those two things? Whether you support Kurdish independence or not, you have to work with reality. The reality is that Turkey has a vote in NATO. The reality is that NATO is not going to cut Turkey loose to gain Finland and Sweden.
How do you make Turkey accept #2, the underlying issue here. Do you force them to accept it? Do you trade something else they want in exchange for accommodating a Kurdish homeland? It’s not enough to say “they have to”. That doesn’t move you forward.
That's easy. Those are states that hates true democracy.
These are all great lectures. I appreciate you including non-Western perspectives in your presentation, this important aspect of the conflict is almost completely ignored throughout Western media. Thanks for broadening the discussion and helping to minimize blind spots in our understanding of these geopolitical issues.
I just wonder , have you seen recent video of Azofstal defenders giving up to Russians? Would you please explain to me why almost each of them had svastika tattoo? Did Russians tatoo all of them first? Or USA is suporting Nazis? Why in Czech Repuplic is tattoo like that prohibited? I am confused :) Blinken and Biden and whole NATO are Nazis too?
As much as I support the US and European reaction against Russian aggression, I agree with those who point to the hypocrisy in the West. The US war in Vietnam was aggressive and brutal, and we have discriminated in our offers of asylum against non-Europeans.
I don’t support the war criminals west anymore
At the time Vietnam was divided into North and South Vietnam. South Vietnam sought the help of the US (and France) that wasn't immoral or illegal. North Vietnam sought assistance from Russia and China. if that was "wrong" then is it wrong for the US to ally with South Korea against North Korea? I dont think so. Would anyone in South Korea want to live in a country annexed by North Korea? It is exactly the same. Same players russia china US. Communist Vietnam is a much better place than communist korea but that may be an accident.
You honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. If the US’s assistance to south Vietnam was immoral, than the USSR’s assistance to north Vietnam was equally immoral. If anything the US showed actual commitment to the region, while the soviets were more than happy to fight to the last VC. It’s hilarious that the same people who say this will then go own to cite the US’s assistance of the Mujahedin in fighting Soviet occupation as another immoral act. Can’t have it both ways.
Thank you for this video. very informative!
Very clear syntesis
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
@@mirekslechta7161 c'mon still with Mearsh noise?
@@Oikonomos12 Do not agree with you. Do you know Monroe doctrine and what it means? In Azovstal surronder to Russia thosands of soldiers with swastika tattoe-you my see them in this video:ua-cam.com/video/GSFV2iwGUBQ/v-deo.html. Pro USA propaganda in my country mentioned hat Ukraine avacuated Azovsal´s defenders.... Did you know, that USA is killing civilians in thousands ( between 5000-6000 including children) in third world countries? Did you ever try to google "USA drone strikes" ? If you do, you might have a luck to open only some of those pages, because USA government is closing the most agly once. It was started by Obama in 2014 and it goes on till this year. USA goverment killed by this disgusting way probably many more civilians, than Russia did in this war so far.(this is not to defend Putin, it is a matter of fact) Bear in mind , USA is doing this mostly in countries where is no war at all.. It is well known fact, that USA is sentencing civilians to death and executing them without any judge and even outside USA- many times including their children once they are around their parents... WORLD IS NOT AS BLACK AND WHITE AS YOU SEE IT, USA IS MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM FOR EUROPE THAN RUSSIA...
Wow. Thank you for spending the time to create and share this content💙
Observations from a highly intelligent orator who’s opinion is highly valued and factually based, continually insightful to us on the American island.
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
I watch out for each video and I'll be sorry when they finish. Prof Stubb speaks so well and with so much knowledge on the subjects.
Many words to state the obvious: NATO/ EC supporting Ukraine against Russia while the rest is sitting on the fences or opportunistically making minor deals with Russia. I wouldn’t have expected it any other way.
That about sums it up. The big players do their thing, the little guys take what they can get. How’s the quote go, “major powers do what they will, minor powers suffer what they must”
yes, you explain this well, some of us are aware ot this though, i'm here in Ukraine since the beginning of the war. i see this as something much larger than the focus on the war itself. this war could be the end of an aggressive super power militarily, that would be awesome. Alos, if we humans are clever, it could be the end of war!
Yes America is the worst most aggressive super power and the cause of every thing wrong now 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦☠️☠️☠️☠️💩💩💩🤡🤡🤡👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻puppet clown 🤡 proxy war for American weapons manufacturers
Great video! Thanks for bringing these ideas out for the audience
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
The 11 lectures by Alex Stubb are timely and informative to understand the immediate and wider aspects of international relationships. We know politics is always highly personal that contribute to the wider perspectives Alex discusses. It would be interesting and valuable to examine the psychology of key players. Putin, from the available evidence, is indifferent and uncaring about building healthy relationships; he’s a sociopath driven by personal gains, although he complains, as an excuse, about nationalist reasons.
I just wonder , have you seen recent video of Azofstal defenders giving up to Russians? Would you please explain to me why almost each of them had svastika tattoo? Did Russians tatoo all of them first? Or USA is suporting Nazis? Why in Czech Repuplic is tattoo like that prohibited? I am confused :) Blinken and Biden and whole NATO are Nazis too?
reasons for voting against the Russian invasion ... interest, values, solidarity? Things I read at the time could indicate a not insignificant possible 4th reason - coercion?
It seems if an individual who dwells in a particular independent state or nation they clearly grasp the notion of the overtaking by force of Arthur state or nation.
I think what you covered was very germane to the Ukraine/Russia war…. trade alliances. This ‘small’ war has set in motion (according to the UN) a world wide famine. I don’t think it’s out of the box… I think you diplomatically broached a current frightening realization
….we are all tied together. 😱!
UN represents the governments of the world. In theory, they should like ... correct me if I'm mistaken... prevent stff like this happening. If something bad happens, it is largely the UN's fault. So it is fault of me, you, USA, Russia, China, India, every single one of us
I am not so eloquent as yourself, but I don't think it's the size of the population that agree or disagree.
It is the leaders of all countries that mostly determine any outcome or way of thinking .
So to say half of the world's population agrees or disagrees is invalid.
I am sure that a vast amount of population disagree with their politicians.
This exactly is the problem. Many leader and influencers like Stubb thinks that populaation always thinks and agrees as their "leaders" want. It should be the other way around.
Unless the press and internet aren’t heavily censored, public and political opinion do not differentiate very far from each other. A skilled politician would express the same opinion a little more diplomatically, but that’s it. 🤬
The more important part, he didn’t say is that the half of world population, who don’t support the sanctions on Russia, do not produce any crucial technologies. 🤷
@@jansix4287 I have to disagree with your first part, and therefore the second part is irrelevant.
In democratic countries the population is split half will agree or settle, half will not, if we take the latest election in France for example a vast majority wanted neither candidates but there wasn't an alternative.
The US is divided the UK is divided.
When you consider dictatorship, the population has no voice but the majority are not happy.
No one wants wars but it is the politics that make those decisions regardless .
@@celianorris7042 Obama was an anti-war president, Trump was an anti-war president and Biden is an anti-war president. Only right after 9-11 W. Bush stood on a pro-war platform. Obama withdrew from Iraq, Biden from Afghanistan and Trump even wanted to withdraw from NATO.
@@jansix4287 biggest seller of weapons in the world, how is that anti war,
But you know not everything is about US.
My original comment was the difference between what the majority of world population want vs what politicians create.
I really don't want to get into American politics and their politicians.
As a privileged Canadian, I try to listen to other countries. As a grandkid of 3 Russian refugees who fled (one tortured brutally) and the other members gone to the Holocaust this need to be so considerate to those who aren’t condemning genocide seems ignorant and dangerous. Sorry. I just can’t do it on this one. Stand with right or perpetuate wrong. Choices.
Prof. Stubb, why are you not saying, that it is a Russia - Ukraine war in the first place? How could Russia wage war against the West when there are no NATO troops in Ukraine and the EU countries are not being attacked at all? Thanx for the lecture, btw.
Countries like India and South Africa are sending a message that they are sovereign nations and no longer colonies of European powers. They have a point not to like the Europeans. However, when they come looking for asylum they criticise Western values while at the same time benefiting from them. Hypocrisy is a two way street.
South Africa stands with Russia and the rest of the BRICS nations, we have done so before our independence. No hypocrisy there.
We are very clear that the oppressive apartheid government was supported by the west.
@@londanintshangase Hmm, it's not that simple and the history of apartheid is long and nuanced to discuss. I lived through apartheid and it was thanks to economic sanctions from western nations that helped bring that abominable regime down.
@@phoeniximperator you right the history of apartheid is long and nuanced. However there are two undeniable facts.
1.) Russia supported South Africa’s fight for independence from the beginning .
2.) Our former colonial masters, the British, the Netherlands and USA supported and kept close economic ties to that brutal Apartheid government until it was unpopular amongst their respective populations not to align with them.
The matter in Ukraine can be viewed in many ways. Europeans like to assume that Africans and Asians don’t understand ramifications of this conflict, we understand them, we understood the war in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Israel’s apartheid on Palestinians, regime change in Lybia. We’ve always understood!! We just don’t agree with the Western narrative.
@@phoeniximperator talk about sanctions against South Africa, Non Aligned countries along with second world supported anti apartheid moment, while Americans and British aided. Stop revision of history.
@@londanintshangase There is no "western narrative" Russia invaded Ukraine. Regarding Ukraine it can be viewed in only one way...inexcusable! Standing by or nodding in approval as defenceless women... and especially children... stare down the barrel of death is not, under any circumstances, justifiable. That is not a narrative.
You mentioned Britain, the USA and the Netherlands supporting apartheid...yes sir you are right.. however we should now clearly speak against the atrocity being committed by Russia against Ukraine. All nations, especially Africans (and I speak as one), cannot be indifferent to the war crimes that ordinary Ukrainians are experiencing or turn a blind eye to the hand behind it. Russian imperialism is no less destructive and toxic than the Western colonialism African people suffered under for so long. This is the 21st century where there is the rule of law!
This is not to say history doesn’t matter. It does, and so does culture. Culture frames and colors the way in which countries pursue their interests.
But at the end of the day it’s just interests - current interests - that drive everything.
The quickest way to understanding is by identifying who has what interests today.
Love your stuff, keep it up!
Are this lectures about the Ukraine conflict? What is missing here?
Time the world to have peace and harmony
Fantastic input!
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
It may be a wrongful assumption, but I thought that the vast mechanism for getting cheap grain to Egypt, Africa, Pakistan and possibly India (where they often report a surplus and have been reforming their farming) was run by European shipping, mechanised European farming and Western NGOs. The current situation in the Black Sea may reinforce or alternately destroy this assumption. I would love these countries to look after their own poor, rather than passing the begging bowl to the West.
Great series! Very insightful. Thank you for doing this
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
Great points and great lesson. Been using your lessons as a perspective and lens between the relationship of China and Philipppines, especially on China's invasion on the West Philippine Sea.
When you use word invasion you lost the objectivity. Your country did not exist before 1946.
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The Eurocentric view is opposed in the rest of the world but it is the one I support. At least you're honest about your inability to empathize.
at 12:15 "... India is also the biggest exporter of arms from Russia ..." what does this mean??? is India EXPORTING TO or IMPORTING FROM Russia? It's fascinating to follow your academic level of generalization which ends in sentences like the one I cite here. I started to write down a list of sentences similar to this one but 12:15 needed a reaction in writing.
Stupid sentence indeed. Russia is the biggest arms exporter to India. :/
india is the biggest importer of arms from russia
@@teijul1106 70% of indian defense capital budget is used to buy indigenous weapons from indian companies.
Mostly India got Soviet era equipment which slowly india licensed from Russia and manufacturing in india.
India is not going to buy anything from West or Russia
defense companies from all over the world are in joint production , tech transfer , License manufacturing , Consultancy in last decade in india.
It's official!!
Dont end at 12!!!
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
@@mirekslechta7161 only in so much that Mearsheimer is Russia propaganda.
I take issue with how he ignores Ukraine opinion and agency. they chose not to be neutral and i'm sure they understood the risks of Nato alignment better than anyone.
Reality is Putin has been gambling by attacking countries that boarder Russia. And has gotten away with it until now
@@vancouverbarista I am so "glad" here in Czech Republic that we can help to promote USA´s interests to expand militarily via new NATO members, it is so much better now, instead of giving some kind of guarantees to Russia back in 2021, that NATO(USA) would not expand into Ukraine... , I am so happy we can help USA to fight Russia economicaly, we have everething expensive after 3 monts of this war(never mind-America´s interests first!) , later we can breath some radioactive particals, when Russia will make a nuclear warning shot here in Europe against arms deliveries...., than I will be even more happy, because USA will back off and will not retaliate to avoid experiencing Russia´s full scale nuclear attack against USA´s big cities. It is so nice to see some wars going on behalf of NATO (understand USA) expansion. Everything is expensive and if you will be lucky , you might experience some nuclear warning shot and perhaps even full scale nuclear war!... so nice to live life according to Pentagon´s plans.
@@mirekslechta7161 glad you're happy
South Africa as you mentioned was one of the countries which choose to abstain. As a South African I am deeply shocked and ashamed by my states wrong-minded decision. The South African envoy to the UN in fact first spoke out against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but that stance quickly did a 180 degree turn. The reason given by the SA UN envoy, was that there was not enough opportunity given for negotiations or dialogue with Russia. This excuse was simply nonsense, as many high level western alliance representatives, including heads of state, engaged Putin face to face and via other lines of communication; and continue to engage. Putin and his regime had outright lied about its intentions to why it had assembled in excess of 100000 troops along the Ukrainian border. It is no secret that ANC lead South African government, has strong historical political links with the ex-Soviet Union and with Putin's regime. More importantly there are complex business relationships between a Russian oligarch and so-called SA state owned enterprise (SOE), one of which is Chancellor House, which is owned directly by the ANC Party and which has direct interests in the mining and other sectors in SA - of which one such manganese mine is part owned by a Russian oligarch who has links to Putin. The ANC Party benefits handsomely through these commercial associations. So I question the motives which drove South Africa's decision to change it's stance on the war in Ukraine. South Africa was once hailed as a shining democrarcy, with a world class Constitution bedded on upholding law, order, human rights as enshrined within the UN Charter to which South Africa is a co-signatory. For South Africa to stand aside, whilst human rights atrocities are being inflicted on a peaceful nation thus forcefully overiding Ukraines right to its sovereignty, is an unspeakable injustice. I am deeply ashamed by my governments decisions taken recently in the UN Assembly concerning questions of Russian invasion of Ukraine and its seat in the UN Human Rights Council.
You probably are a remnant of South Africa apartheid regime of the past. Your name speaks loud for itself 🤣 😂
Why not take your rumbling to your foreign affairs Ministry in South Africa and complain about your UN ambassador's U-turn
I am also in South Africa and am ashamed of the government's alignment to Putin due to these SA Russia agreements among the Oligarths. The Western Cape Government is opposed to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. So is our oppostion party. A lot of South Africans have distanced themselves from Russia's aggresion.
I would be curious who is financing this because all talking points semn taken from the kgb playbook. This is active measures at it's best disguised as education.
whether you agree with us or not doesn't change what we know and witnessed all these years about western hypocrisy. anyway your analysis is great.
Thanks for your sober and well-informed analysis Prime Minister. I consider the Russian system to be illegitimate as it is regression to an Archaic Age. I recently finished writing a paper for my grad program titled: "Ukraine 2022: A Chance to Re-Evaluate the Axial Age Thesis." - Toivottaen
Finally some view from beyond the Euro-centric neo-colonist self-righteous last quarterly report
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
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Talking about Africa, the basic challenge is that Francophone African countries feel choked by France. Their relationship with France is like Russia - Ukraine relationship and that's why it seems France is not aggressively opposing Russia because in Africa, they have russified some African countries. France should allow it's former African colonies to be free to decide their future.
I hope youre referring to Ukraine-Russia realationship before 2014. Because France didnt invade any african state to force their political agenda on them
Good analysis
No analysis is realistic if done in isolation ... including Ukraine war
The last episode no#12 of 20 videos
Think about this: USA has frozen Afghanistan's meagre Foreign Reserve when Afghans are in danger
of starving to death . What a great humanist n moral values n convictions !
Very helpful analysis, thank you! Here is a question: On May 19the NYT recently published an article by Timothy Snyder which claimed that Putin's regime has become a fascist regime. ("Russia's War on Ukraine Shows That It is Fascist"). First, is it helpful to describe Russia right now as "fascist" - I'm not at all sure of this. Secondly, do you agree? Elizabeth in Canada
This article explains it very well: ""How Putin’s Russia embraced fascism while preaching anti-fascism" Atlantic Council article of April 17. When Vladimir Putin first came to power at the turn of the millennium, one of the main challenges he faced was the need to repair battered Russian national pride following a decade of post-Soviet turbulence marked by economic collapse and endless revelations of Soviet-era crimes against humanity.
Putin’s solution was disarmingly simple but brilliantly effective. He set out to revive Russian patriotism by building a modern national identity around the Soviet Union’s role in the defeat of Nazi Germany. While WWII had always played a prominent role in shaping the national psyche, under Putin it would ascend to new heights as the defining moment in Russian history.
Far from being ashamed of their Soviet past, Russians were now told that they could be proud of belonging to a “victor nation.” Instead of dwelling on the millions of innocent victims murdered during the Stalin era, they should honor the righteous heroics of the Soviet war effort.
This veneration of the Soviet WWII experience proved hugely popular with the Russian public. Over the past two decades, it has evolved into a quasi-religious cult complete with its own lexicon, rituals, monuments, and holy days. In 2020, it even received its very own cathedral.
Like all polling opinions, what's missed is the intensity of the vote or opinion. We are all polled to distraction.
Maybe most African opinions are just not as passionate or regionally informed about, say Ukraine about Russia and itself.
Each country has an informed elite about whose conclusions matters more than others because they are more prescient and/or invested in particular conflicts.
Love your lectures. You're a sweet man. The world 🌎🌍 needs to be better informed more about its own complexity.
This was a little bit like saft och bullar (pop and rolls). Alex, tell us about what the CCP is telling the people of China about the war in Ukraine.
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
A good lead in to world order thank you
It is a misconception that the war is about the West at all. It is about Ukraine.
It is a fact that ALL Eastern European countries, from Estonia to Bulgaria don't want to belong to the Russki Mir anymore. It is also a fact, that they never wanted to be in the Russian sphere of influence in the first place. In none of these countries communism came to power from inside, only by the force of the Soviet army. And as soon as the Soviet army left, the ran away from Russia as fast as possible and into the arms of NATO. The Baltic states never wanted to be part of the Soviet Union, they were handed over to the communists by Hitler in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of 1939. Also Western Ukraine and Western Belarus as well as the Republic of Moldova only came to the Soviet Union through this deal.
Boris Yeltsin liquidated the Soviet Union by seceding the Russian SSR from the Union. Remember that. The core of the Soviet Union seceded first, only afterwards Ukraine followed. It is like England would secede from the United Kingdom before Scotland does and than regrets it 20 years later and attacks Scotland.
Amen to that. I am Czech. I don't have any desire to be sent to the arms of Russia. Again.
"It's about Ukraine". Yes, in the sense that Ukraine is the weak buffer state that both Russia and the West seek to incorporate into their sphere of influence.
To me the hardest argument to counter is when I explain how wrong it is what Russia is doing right now in Ukraine, and I get the response: but why were there no sanctions against the U.S. when they invaded Iraq? I'm like yeah... yeah, good point, both were very wrong but I have to concede there's a double standard here.
Do you remember what the sentiment in Finland was back then?
@@inso80 I'm not from Finland, so no.
How is it the same?
Ofcourse there is a double standard, politicians use double standards all the time. Maybe you could say that US thought there were weapons of mass destrucrion.
Because sanctions don’t work on advanced countries. You could also ask: Why did NATO intervene in Kosovo, but is only sending some kinds of weapons to Ukraine and no troops? Because Russia is a nuclear power it gets a special treatment. And because the US are a nuclear and technological power it gets two special treatments. But America still lost 2 trillion dollars in Iraq. So where you really want to be is Sweden. 🇸🇪>🇺🇸>🇷🇺>🇷🇸
Honestly, this man is talking about everything and nothing at the same time, but I guess it’s also needed for some people. The thing which I cannot understand, how can you possibly make 11 (!!!) episodes about the war in Ukraine, without Ukraine itself? I think that such an episode should have been filmed at the beginning of the series. Otherwise, you can keep going like this, and the next episode can be filmed about the position of Uruguay (no offense to Uruguay) in this war.
' this man is talking about everything and nothing' ~ LOL. This drivel is unwatchable. For insights into the conflict watch 'The Duran'
@@goldreserve The Duran? A bunch of Putin bootlickers? Hilarious.
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One very important reason not mentioned here (why some nations have not condemned the Russian invasion in stronger terms or have tried to stay neutral) was that they thought that Putin will have a fast and easy victory and the West itself will soon lose interest in this conflict. Once they decide not to fully commit against the Russia, it was politically too hard for them to change the stance.
What the world needs is that ordinary people wakes up! From fake illusions and put real honest sound minded level headed people in power! To clean up the mess in this world! Pronto! And real factual news on what really happens around the world! Self interrest out the window! Faster than fast! A geniuine harmonized world community with cooperation for the sake of good! Is a must! And quickly! That is the only recipe!
Regardless, if the west "learns its lesson", another importan lesson is that the west has always strived to "learn its lesson", internalize conflicts and tried to be the "bigger man", but the hate doesn't stop, does it. the "rest" allways spitefull against the west regardless. And the rest certainly don't care about us "learning" our lesson. For them, it is al just a powergame. I think that is important to consider before the west tries to "learn" its lesson this time.
yes, india for example, their stand on ukraine is purely opportonistic. it is about money. and when you dare criticise them, it is the fault of the english, or the americans tried to invade. it is almost as if it has nothing to do with india.
Interesting points raised here by all and I totally agree... but like the speaker said, atimes it is wise to step back and like to their concerns-that I agree with as well. It does not necessarily mean that the West, always, will accept /consider all their concerns but a pointer towards the learning process... 'cause at the end of day, the vast majority of us would prefer a peaceful and prosperous global community.
Just a question or assumption whatever you may take it:
Why Europe is close to African union 🤔? Is that because most Africans countries invaded by European countries?
China and India may represent 2.5bn people quantitatively, but not qualitatively ergo, just because both governments rule/represent that mass of peoples, doesn't mean their authorities' view on the Russian invasion is shared by all those 2.5bn peoples withing India and China's jurisdictions and states.
Most of the people in India are against War but there's feeling, that some one needed to slap west and bring an end to their agressions.
Actually no, in case of India. It's just because we have common history and commitment and common dependence, etc.
You can't expect a nation like India which is weak yet powerful enough to challenge any superpower if required to just abandon a partner like Russia. The importance of India-Russia is that it serves as counter balance for both US and China. It's complicated.
Apart from that cold war history doesn't help us here. In the end, we Indian share history during cold war. During cold war, we didn't wanted to pick side and get involved in world affairs because we just got independence. India as a democracy survived as a nation because it's not liberal and huge power is given to state. It was made to do two things until people are ready
a) upliftment of poorest people in India
b) protect integrity and unity of union.
When these two sides USSR and USA tried to come to gain for support, we declined and tried to stay away. Pakistan was ready to work with USA, though before going to USA Pakistani did came to us for partnership as they hated communist more than us. We refused it. US entered it and Pakistan was way ahead than us in terms of technology, military, etc. Due to b) point we looked outside, USSR was logical partner and we needed to work on technology and military. Until 1990s, India- US was really bad with US sending aid to Pakistan. And we started to invest more on military and technology. Suddenly we realized that it can be used for other things. Due to cold war, we looked towards USSR not USA or west. The same purpose USA served for Japan and South Korea, USSR served for India. Just like Japanese, South Korean and European looks towards to USA, we looked towards USSR. In our eyes, it was necessary to strengthen cultural ties with each other. Indian movies were very very famous in USSR. And till now even though relation has become weak and we know at some point of time we would stand against each other, we still see each other as positive.
Though, Russia themselves made us away from them or it was us. We found hard to cooperate with each other no matter how we tried. And we had realized that our future lies with somewhere else. This war has change that. After years, we found a reason to strengthen our relation.
The fact is even though people don't support war. Majority of Indian don't agree with west. Many see a future with Russia but as counter against China(by making it neutral) and US now. Russia sees India something which would help them counter Chinese influence as well as neutral India in conflict with US. It's pure geopolitics.
Besides the relation goes back a long history and due to cold war there is trust issues with US.
@@lostlegend9015Agree on most of the points and adding to that foreign policy is shaped by each government and successive governments of RSS have drifted towards America, getting close to US and letting them use Indian military facilities was a mistake that resulted in skirmish with China and eventual loss of territory, won't you agree? And this was partly because RSS and it's people had close ties with the West and were funded and trained by Americans in times when relations with USSR was at heights. They have a bias, it is as simple as that, they like government in Kiev are dividing people with their far right policies which is making it harder for them to control nation and to counter that they are introducing more and more anti people policies. Sometimes you have to give up power and share it with others, they are setting a precedence that previous governments avoided barring maybe Indira Gandhi government during emergency even then she accepted rule of court not like Amit Shah who is roaming freely after killing a Judge.
@@obama-bin_laden I would agree that Chinese did that because we were getting close to US and West. But I don't think we really have any option. And we need to get more closer with US and West now. I don't know whether territory is lost or not.
RSS or not it really doesn't matter because in the end it would have resulted in same thing. However, BJP is much more pro-west than INC and it's funny that West say against the same political party. I don't think RSS is trained by USA or anyone.
Geographically America and the West have nearly all the advantages. That coupled with our dynamic open societies gives us strategic advantages Russia/China cannot compete with.
Indian support or are neural in case of Russia.
You can't expect a nation like India which is weak yet powerful enough to challenge any superpower if required to just abandon a partner like Russia. The importance of India-Russia is that it serves as counter balance for both US and China. It's complicated.
Apart from that cold war history doesn't help us here. In the end, we Indian share history during cold war. During cold war, we didn't wanted to pick side and get involved in world affairs because we just got independence. India as a democracy survived as a nation because it's not liberal and huge power is given to state. It was made to do two things until people are ready
a) upliftment of poorest people in India
b) protect integrity and unity of union.
When these two sides USSR and USA tried to come to gain for support, we declined and tried to stay away. Pakistan was ready to work with USA, though before going to USA Pakistani did came to us for partnership as they hated communist more than us. We refused it. US entered it and Pakistan was way ahead than us in terms of technology, military, etc. Due to b) point we looked outside, USSR was logical partner and we needed to work on technology and military. Until 1990s, India- US was really bad with US sending aid to Pakistan. And we started to invest more on military and technology. Suddenly we realized that it can be used for other things. Due to cold war, we looked towards USSR not USA or west. The same purpose USA served for Japan and South Korea, USSR served for India. Just like Japanese, South Korean and European looks towards to USA, we looked towards USSR. In our eyes, it was necessary to strengthen cultural ties with each other. Indian movies were very very famous in USSR. And till now even though relation has become weak and we know at some point of time we would stand against each other, we still see each other as positive.
Though, Russia themselves made us away from them or it was us. We found hard to cooperate with each other no matter how we tried. And we had realized that our future lies with somewhere else. This war has change that. After years, we found a reason to strengthen our relation.
The fact is even though people don't support war. Majority of Indian don't agree with west. Many see a future with Russia but as counter against China(by making it neutral) and US now. Russia sees India something which would help them counter Chinese influence as well as neutral India in conflict with US. It's pure geopolitics.
Besides the relation goes back a long history and due to cold war there is trust issues with US.
Thank you very much for another very educative video. We have learned, that the european values cannot be enforced upon other parts of the world.
We europeans should be aware of the fact, that this war is extremely contradictious to our own values, but not so much or even not at all to the values of China, India etc..
But we should equally aware of the fact, that we have to maintain and defend our values. We are not the center of the world, but we have to defend our position in it. We have the right to welcome the war refugees of Ukraine, because they are similar to ourselves and are expelled of their country for exactly this reason, and we have the right to refuse immigration of people, who do not share our values.
Europe should leave the place as center of the world, but defend itself and repell all the forces which want to destroy our values, by islamism, nationalism and other ideologies.
In history, Europe has experienced all the antihuman powers like religion, nationalism, superstition etc., which are actually the plague of big parts of Africa and Asia.
Great comment - I agree. Part of the world blames Europe for helping the Ukrainians while thousands of refugees from the Middle East wait in vain at the border. And part of Europeans can't grapple with this and justify this position for themselves.
Europe must regain its instinct for self-preservation. It must gain enough self-confidence to make it clear that trying to help the Ukrainians is more important to us than helping - say - the Syrians. Simply, the Ukrainians are our relatives (I am from the Czech Republic - we Czechs literally have relatives there).
Similarly, no one in Europe has the right to accuse (for example) the Iraqis of being more concerned about the situation in Syria than about the situation in Ukraine.
But Europe is on its own. We like strong moralistic gestures, but we often don't behave that way in practice. This creates a contradiction between rhetoric and reality. Let us hope that the roll in Ukraine will bring our feet back down to earth.
Otherwise, of course, we need to help beyond Europe's borders. Let us not pretend that it is in our power to save the whole world at the expense of ourselves. At the end of the day, Europe is responsible for the well-being of Europeans. And that is nothing to be ashamed of. On the contrary, it is a necessary condition for survival.
Authoritarians stick together
We need episode 12 about Taiwan and the Chinese Navy. Especially what Europe can do about a new Pacific War?
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
@@mirekslechta7161 Nope. NATO is merely a tool for EU defense. US hegemony is just a myth.
@@jansix4287 Do not agree with you. Do you know Monroe doctrine and what it means? In Azovstal surronder to Russia thosands of soldiers with swastika tattoe-you my see them in this video:ua-cam.com/video/GSFV2iwGUBQ/v-deo.html. Pro USA propaganda in my country mentioned hat Ukraine avacuated Azovsal´s defenders.... Did you know, that USA is killing civilians in thousands ( between 5000-6000 including children) in third world countries? Did you ever try to google "USA drone strikes" ? If you do, you might have a luck to open only some of those pages, because USA government is closing the most agly once. It was started by Obama in 2014 and it goes on till this year. USA goverment killed by this disgusting way probably many more civilians, than Russia did in this war so far.(this is not to defend Putin, it is a matter of fact) Bear in mind , USA is doing this mostly in countries where is no war at all.. It is well known fact, that USA is sentencing civilians to death and executing them without any judge and even outside USA- many times including their children once they are around their parents... WORLD IS NOT AS BLACK AND WHITE AS YOU SEE IT, USA IS MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM FOR EUROPE THAN RUSSIA...
@@mirekslechta7161 The US has nothing to do with NATO, other than being a member of NATO. Why don’t you cite all crimes the British Empire is responsible for? Surely Brexit must be an integral part of NATO and more important than anything written in the NATO treaty! Let’s talk what about the Bomber Harris doctrine: _The Royal Air Force can hit any target as long as it’s large enough._ That’s got to be NATO policy, right? 🎯
@@jansix4287 I do not egree, USA is kind of NATO leader and is the only member which is threat to Russia. Therefore Russia must defend itself gainst USA puting guns close to Russia´s border (using NATO expansion for this purpose). On the other hand USA like to use Monroe doctrine for it´s own interests... If Monroe doctrine logic would be used for Russia, than Russia IMHO would never attack Ukraine. USA is really expanding everywhere, just look at USA´s miliary bases- it is all over this globe. Why? Defense?
Didn’t China have large scale wars that predate many of the European Wars?
NO we did NOT. We have been peaceful for 5000 years. Europeans have large wars every 20 years.
Mr. Stubb is doing pro USA and pro NATO propaganda- for you to understand better to Ukraine war and to be able to find out what is real true about this war and what is propaganda, you would need to see several of videos made by Professor Mearsheimer about it in past 2 or 3 months..
Explain the difference between Kosovo and Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk from western perspective
Well one difference is that It took 8 years for a combined total deaths (Ukrainian and Russian) of 14,000 in the donbas, and in Serbia it took only 1 year for 13,500 deaths.
We can compare and contrast those numbers with the amount of people killed in Russia's invasion, Conservative estimates puts Russian troop deaths at 10,000 with around the same number of dead Ukrainian armed forces. So far we have over 1500 confirmed civilian deaths (over 200 children), so a minimum of 21,500 deaths in less than 3 months.
One of Putins excuses for the invasion is the genocide of Russian speaking people in the donbas - we can use the same logic to now say that Russia should be invaded to stop the genocide of Ukrainians.
Basically its all quite complex, however what we do know is that the World cannot allow a European nation to expand its borders through the use of military force. We can argue about whose fault it is until we're all blue in the face, the fact remains that Russia must fail, and must be seen to fail
@@jcym9058 what should we do then with 2 million Iraqi civilians killed by US and NATO alliance? You from the west think you can make up the rules and ignore them when you want. And the rest starts to realize that. Empire of lies and chaos will fall, like it or not.
@@mare6600 over a million people in my country took to the streets to protest against the Iraq invasion, and the political party that took us into that war havnt been reelected since. I'll give you £10 if you can find a single person in my country that supported that war. Can the same be said about Russia?
@Mare if you were against the Iraq invasion then there's no problem my friend, we're both against the invasion of sovereign nations. You are against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, right?
@@jcym9058 I’m against any military operation, war, invasion, call it how you like. Since you are offering me £ I assume that you are from UK, and I can tell you that there is always someone who is pro war, because he benefits from it. The west should call for peace and diplomacy and not send “lethal aid” and support the war until the last Ukrainian is dead. That is not support, that is propaganda so the goverment can send more of your tax money to weapon manufacturers. Of course, people in the goverment will be awarded with some $£€ for the “trouble”. People ruling the world have no spine
It is all about OIL, GAS.
RUSSIA is a OIL & GAS company masquerading as a country and like Iran spending it's profits on Armaments by which to conquer it's potential competitors.
Since my assessment is that Germany has a significant role in setting the stage for this war, I'm not particularly surprised that Brazil, India, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey has not lined up with Europe and the USA in this sanction regime. There is nothing that ensures that politics results in rational decisions over a particular time frame.
Exam your own view on the conflict !
You told all points of view but the ones that support Russia !
And yes brushing of the countries that supported russia in UN as and i quote "Rogue states" is already euro , West centric approach !
Would be nice to give example of Serbia
Images/ news about the treatment of African and Indian students fleeing Ukraine to Poland and other Eastern European countries doesn't help non-Western support from Ukraine. Uneven treatment of refugees from other non- European countries, doesn't sit well not only from the perspective of "the rest" of the world but also from the perspective of citizens of the "West" of African, Asian, Latino and/ or middle-eastern ancestry.
You said that India is the biggest exporter from Russia. Did you perhaps mean importer?
He did say Russian arms exporter when importer was indeed the right word.
What ?
You do not seem to realize that the intro with Sleepy Joe Biden and what sounds like a BBC commentator is exactly what you were referring to in this lecture - the Eurocentric perspective. It may go down well in Finland but may be perceived very differently in other regions of the world.
You mean their are Shades of Greys in this debate 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Interesting points mentionned but low level of details , although it is of course dificult to resume in 15 minutes such a big issue. I would may be comment that trying to understand geopolitical issues from morale/ethical positions very quickly leads to contradictions and messy explanations. The reason maybe that it just has nothing to do with morale/ethics but with interests and deals. And the main factor (observed on the long time) is that the WEST has been hugely hegemonical in world development thanks to technology (colonization century) and an advantageous setup of world order after 2nd world war, specially for the US. Priviledged position from which, as a usual human behavior, has turned in abuse of power. The REST of the world has suffered from this (although not only suffered) through decades in 20th century. Now of course world has efectively changed and the WEST doesnt have any kind of hegemony in any matter (technological, natural ressource control, economy, political thinking and models, ...). During the progressive decline of hegemony the WEST is trying to maintain it at all cost, making wrong decisions one after the other. It is not as you mentionned that "Russia is not completely isolated", fact is that Russia is absolutely NOT isolated. PLease remember that if nobody likes war (as UN votes showed), nobody aligns with sanctions (basically ONLY the WEST do apply sanctions, the other 150 contries don't). The new world order based on multilateral poles of power is developping, whatever the WEST decides to do. Its a bit difficult for the WEST to accept, but this will not change the end result. So big effort is needed now from WEST countries to accept the fact. Psychological fases are known: 1- negating reality, 2- anger, 3- depression and 4-back to acceptance and go forward and adapt. from now to 2050 world will undergo major changes (climate included) and this mentality shift from the WEST will have to occur also.