What is instructive is how much in this piece is similar to his later music. Namely, the plasticity of phrase construction, the amount of different harmony and quickness of harmonic motion; constant development; independence of part-writing. It is easy to see what changes he made over time; more difficult is to see what he retained.
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This would be a hit at those music gatherings where one plays a CD of our choice, but does not tell who the composer was. "Guess who wrote THIS!" My guess would be somebody who studied Schumann and Brahms, among others.
+olla-vogala And the good news is that Schoenberg orchestrated Brahm's 2nd piano quartet. The bad news is that, nowadays, I miss the 4th movement xylophone when played by a piano quartet. btw...listening to this again on 13 February
This is a great piece and The Master was still a young man. A self-taught genius who became the mentor to two other compositional giants (Berg, Webern) and many others as well (Gerhard in particular was brilliant). Schoenberg is alive and well!!
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Seeing all the comments is quite fascinating! Never thought of Dvorak in relation to this, but I totally see it! I find that interesting considering the Schoenberg quote in the beginning regarding Mozart, because I see some parallels between Dvorak and Mozart sometimes. Obviously there is a lot of Brahmsian motivic development and variation going on there too. Allegedly, Brahms saw a draft of this quartet and gave Schoenberg much approval. This piece is a such a gem, wish it were more commonly performed.
I would have thought that the best approach might be to go through Schoenberg's works in order of opus number, and that way you would be gradually introduced to changes in his style in the order he made them himself.
He could compose whatever he wanted. After reading his harmonielehre many times, I've realized how amazing and finest thoughts and knowledge he had. That's why he could do whatever he wanted. He knew the rules and how to break them, he knew what was bad about the old system and tried to do his best bringing a new way. He is indeed an amazing composer. It feels so different when you read a book written by a composer than a music theory nerd. The first makes music, the second only know how to write.
That last movement has a folk music character to it that I don't usually associate with Schoenberg. Very interesting look into his early years, a bit like listening to Please Please Me if one had only ever heard Sgt. Pepper's-era Beatles.
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I really like this. It sounds Viennese through and through But... yes, the opening theme sounds very much like Dvořák"s American Quartet. The last movement is very Dvorakish too. The rest makes me think of Max Reger rather than Brahms. Not atonal. Definitely not serialist/12-note (yet). Dissonant? Not really. Nielsen is atonal. Sibelius can be very dissonant. Very early Schoenberg? Just following on quietly in the German/Austrian tradition.
Nielsen atonal? He was very much a tonal composer. He used what is now know as "progressive tonality" - beginning in one key then ending in another - not just beginning in the minor and ending in the parallel major. Dissonance in music does not make the music atonal. All His Symphonies, the quartets, operas and other works are strongly tonal.
You'd understand if you see the score. javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/1/12/IMSLP66101-PMLP01698-Brahms_op.090_Sinfonie_Nr.3_3.Poco_Allegretto_fs.pdf
@@charlesdavis7087 sch for whatever reason always avoided mentioning his debt to Brahms. And there is no doubt that the first movement has more of a "late" Bavarian flavor as already mentioned. This has New World in the very best sense of the phrase written all over it.
I like how so many are pissed off and say this is "atonal garbage" even when this is a very tonal piece. Imagine, God forbid, they ever hear a late Scriabin.
Actually, this is tonal garbage. I only listen to atonal pieces while eating fine wine and drinking caviar. Monocles are also part of my truly exquisite lounging exercise.
"the older composer [Brahms] recognised Schoenberg’s genius and, having heard the latter’s 1897 String Quartet in D major, offered him a stipend (which Schoenberg, with typical pride, refused)."
@@garrysmodsketches IIRC it wasn't pride that made Schoenberg refuse Brahms's money, but worry that he would be unable to pay back what he assumed was a loan. He was unaware that at that stage Brahms knew he was dying and never expected repayment
+scottbos68 Well there could be actually haha, there were some pieces for string quartet even before this one. There is a Mahler symphony '0' by the way...
+olla-vogala Ah ? Are you sure of that ? I know a Bruckner symphony "nummer null", or a Schnittke's number 0, but I've never heard of a Mahler's symphony "0" , by the way !
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What is instructive is how much in this piece is similar to his later music. Namely, the plasticity of phrase construction, the amount of different harmony and quickness of harmonic motion; constant development; independence of part-writing.
It is easy to see what changes he made over time; more difficult is to see what he retained.
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This would be a hit at those music gatherings where one plays a CD of our choice, but does not tell who the composer was. "Guess who wrote THIS!" My guess would be somebody who studied Schumann and Brahms, among others.
+Harry Andruschak Yes good idea! Then also include Beethoven's Fugue for String Quintet Op. 137, and Webern's Langsamer Satz.
+olla-vogala And the good news is that Schoenberg orchestrated Brahm's 2nd piano quartet. The bad news is that, nowadays, I miss the 4th movement xylophone when played by a piano quartet. btw...listening to this again on 13 February
Except everyone knows the fugue, so it won't be much of a guess, LOL
haha, definitevly mean!!
Where does one attend such gatherings? The few times I've tried this at parties I was booed out of the room like the classical-music geek that I was.
This is a great piece and The Master was still a young man. A self-taught genius who became the mentor to two other compositional giants (Berg, Webern) and many others as well (Gerhard in particular was brilliant). Schoenberg is alive and well!!
Berg and Webern destroyed the music.
Sounds like something Dvorak would write in the beginning.
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Or a little bit of Brahms
@@christianweatherbroadcasting?
Great that this wonderful quartet is rescued from oblivion!
It has been recorded several times.
wow, how cool! I think you can hear also what schoenberg learned from brahms in parts of this quartet.
+asliuf Yes indeed, that was a good departure point for him, you can really see the developments in his writing after this quartet.
He always claimed to be continuation of Brahms. Even in atonality
Schönberg before Schönberg. Thank you very much for the score.
Seeing all the comments is quite fascinating! Never thought of Dvorak in relation to this, but I totally see it! I find that interesting considering the Schoenberg quote in the beginning regarding Mozart, because I see some parallels between Dvorak and Mozart sometimes. Obviously there is a lot of Brahmsian motivic development and variation going on there too. Allegedly, Brahms saw a draft of this quartet and gave Schoenberg much approval. This piece is a such a gem, wish it were more commonly performed.
wonderful quartet, hopefully one day I will develop an ear for his atonal work for his tonal work already makes him one of my favorite composers
not atonal
@@ShuckleDoesGaming no
It is
Good luck - I've got as far as opus 11 but having trouble getting past that!
I would have thought that the best approach might be to go through Schoenberg's works in order of opus number, and that way you would be gradually introduced to changes in his style in the order he made them himself.
He could compose whatever he wanted. After reading his harmonielehre many times, I've realized how amazing and finest thoughts and knowledge he had. That's why he could do whatever he wanted. He knew the rules and how to break them, he knew what was bad about the old system and tried to do his best bringing a new way. He is indeed an amazing composer. It feels so different when you read a book written by a composer than a music theory nerd. The first makes music, the second only know how to write.
It's sad that Schoenberg wasn't born early enough to compose his String Quartet No. "-1".
That last movement has a folk music character to it that I don't usually associate with Schoenberg. Very interesting look into his early years, a bit like listening to Please Please Me if one had only ever heard Sgt. Pepper's-era Beatles.
There's a lot of folk music in Schoenberg buried under the 12 tone surface. Especially when you look at his phrasing and rhythms
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This was Schönberg's first piece and it definitely sounds like Dvořák or Borodin.
This is not his first piece.
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Odd that no one mentions the wonderful performance by the Lasalle quartet.
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On eest encore dans un registre classique, en 1934. C'est une belle œuvre.
Une cohérence induite par des phrases musicales qui restent sans surprise.
What a joyful First Movement!!!
I really like this. It sounds Viennese through and through But... yes, the opening theme sounds very much like Dvořák"s American Quartet. The last movement is very Dvorakish too. The rest makes me think of Max Reger rather than Brahms. Not atonal. Definitely not serialist/12-note (yet). Dissonant? Not really. Nielsen is atonal. Sibelius can be very dissonant. Very early Schoenberg? Just following on quietly in the German/Austrian tradition.
Nielsen atonal? He was very much a tonal composer. He used what is now know as "progressive tonality" - beginning in one key then ending in another - not just beginning in the minor and ending in the parallel major. Dissonance in music does not make the music atonal. All His Symphonies, the quartets, operas and other works are strongly tonal.
@Steven Moore Ah, fair enough - Nielsen is a common name in Denmark!
The 2nd movement so much resembles the 3rd movement of Brahms's 3rd Symphony!
+SeanPi314 Yes it does, good catch!
+SeanPi314 I wonder why?
You'd understand if you see the score.
javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/1/12/IMSLP66101-PMLP01698-Brahms_op.090_Sinfonie_Nr.3_3.Poco_Allegretto_fs.pdf
Agreed
@@charlesdavis7087 sch for whatever reason always avoided mentioning his debt to Brahms. And there is no doubt that the first movement has more of a "late" Bavarian flavor as already mentioned. This has New World in the very best sense of the phrase written all over it.
Aquest quartet és de quan encara sabia fer música
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Agree
The first 4 bars sound like one of those jigs they played on the Titanic😂 but luckily Schönberg never hit the rocks👍🏻
Great!
I like the interpretation, but the audio quality is not the greatest. It gets clipped a lot in the louder sections.
Rather annoying and ear-cutting sound, right!
I think it's sadly just because it's an old recording.
Would anyone happen to have the PDF parts to this???
This sounds like a mix if many Composers, from Beethhoven to Brahms. The one composer it doesn't sound like is Schoenberg!
I wonder, the first movement has themes that remind me of Shostakovich's Fugue in A Major. I wonder if Shosta had any inspiration?
Not sure but I find the almost DSCHs in the second movement quite funny (7:59)
oh yeah, i love these 12-tone music!!
I'm pretty sure this wasn't composed with a 12-tone row
@@Eniro20 I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
Hahahaha
@@Eniro20 I'm pretty sure that I'm certain that's impossible.
Ça pourrait être classé musique romantique.
Arrays start at 0.
Calm down, Dijkstra.
lmao.
@@segmentsAndCurves you stole this comment ttn ok
@@anaghshetty f u
Dvořak?
Absolutely - Schoenberg's mother's maiden name was Nachod - a Czech name.
I was thinking the same thing! The opening movement especially sounds very Czech with its voice doubling and jaunty tune :)
Sounds bit similar to early Sibelius quartets, like the quartet in B flat major op.4, there's the similar diatonic opening melody.
I like how so many are pissed off and say this is "atonal garbage" even when this is a very tonal piece. Imagine, God forbid, they ever hear a late Scriabin.
I'm sure that they're just making fun of the kind of comments that show up on a lot of Schoenberg videos.
@ This is youtube btw.
I doubt very many serious musicians would to call this atonal.
Actually, this is tonal garbage. I only listen to atonal pieces while eating fine wine and drinking caviar. Monocles are also part of my truly exquisite lounging exercise.
+Sicarius Noctis hahaha very funny
Now this is the Schoenberg I can enjoy!
What!? You mean you don't sing Pierrot Lunaire in the shower and dance to Moses und Aron?
@@robertslagle7176 I've "sung" the opening of "Mondestrunken" from "Pierrot Lunaire" in the shower a handful of times ...
@@PhilipDaniel the Acoustics are good, huh?
This piece was stolen by him, haha! 😁
Jeez this is legit
"the older composer [Brahms] recognised Schoenberg’s genius and, having heard the latter’s 1897 String Quartet in D major, offered him a stipend (which Schoenberg, with typical pride, refused)."
I’m wondering what your source is since this work was premiered in 1898!
@@1bateleur "Arnold Schoenberg: Do not approach with caution", Pina Napolitano, *Guardian* Tue 21 Feb 2017
@@1bateleur as far as I know, Zemlinsky, Schoenberg's teacher, showed the manuscript to Brahms
@@garrysmodsketches IIRC it wasn't pride that made Schoenberg refuse Brahms's money, but worry that he would be unable to pay back what he assumed was a loan. He was unaware that at that stage Brahms knew he was dying and never expected repayment
i would also say he owes a lot to Dvorak lol
Yes, much more like Dvorak than Brahms!
I like this better than other Schoenberg peices
sad
Lol same
@@johannsebastianbeanz3690 sad
@@GUILLOM why it is sad?
@@johannsebastianbeanz3690 because it's sad
No. PII
That was stolen to Dvorak or lost by him after one bad poker night! 😀
21:13
Quartet 0 huh? Is there a quartette negative one? Lol
+scottbos68 Well there could be actually haha, there were some pieces for string quartet even before this one. There is a Mahler symphony '0' by the way...
+olla-vogala I hadn't heard of that Mahler symphony, but Bruckner wrote two study symphonies, numbered "0" and "00".
+olla-vogala Ah ? Are you sure of that ? I know a Bruckner symphony "nummer null", or a Schnittke's number 0, but I've never heard of a Mahler's symphony "0" , by the way !
wavelength
www.yiannisgabriel.com/2014/01/mahlers-little-known-symphony-no-0.html
There's a so-called No. 10. Really unfinished.
0:06 0:06 0:06 0:06
This doesn't even sound German. So strange for a Schoenberg work. Almost as if Dvorak wrote it.
How can you have a no o ,isin,t no 1 the first.
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