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  • From 1992 Album: "Funk Your Head Up".....
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    The Ultramagnetic MCs is a hip hop group made up of Kool Keith, Ced Gee, TR Love, and Moe Love. Tim Dog became an unofficial member in 1989. In 1990, DJ Jaycee was added as Roadmanager and backup DJ. A former member, Rooney Roon, was fired following an assault arrest. Beat-boxing legend Rahzel was also involved with the group early in its career. The group's work was associated with unorthodox sampling, polysyllabic rhymes, and bizarre lyrical imagery.
    The Ultramagnetic MCs formed in 1984. Their first single was 1985's "To Give You Love" on the Diamond International label. The group's worldwide buzz started with "Ego Trippin'," its first 12-inch single on Next Plateau Records in 1986 that was the first hip hop song to feature the infamous "Synthetic Substitution" drum break sample. The song is still considered a hip hop classic. The group's next single was "Traveling At The Speed of Thought (Original)"/"M.C.'s Ultra (Part Two)" followed by "Funky/Mentally Mad," one of the most sought-after 12-inch singles of its career. Funky was based on a Joe Cocker piano sample later used as the basis for Dr. Dre and Tupac's California Love. It was released in 1987. This led to the release of the group's first album.
    The Ultramagnetic MCs released a new school classic in 1988, Critical Beatdown, introducing many new sampling techniques. Many believe that without the group's primary producer, Ced Gee, the golden era of sampling may have looked very different. Ced, while uncredited, also produced the majority of Boogie Down Productions' seminal Criminal Minded. These albums are among the first to use "chopped" samples, rearranged and edited to change context. Both albums also feature many James Brown samples, which became very prominent in Hip Hop in ensuing years. KRS-One has been quoted as saying that he was very close to joining Ultramagnetic MCs early on. Paul C. was also a major contributor to Critical Beatdown, producing "Give The Drummer Some," and engineering most of the album. Paul C. also produced the Hip-House mix of "Traveling At The Speed Of Thought", which was used as the group's first music video, and was their sole release in 1989. The single's b-side, "A Chorus Line", became one of Ultramagnetic's most popular songs and introduced new group affiliate Tim Dog. A variation of the "A Chorus Line" instrumental was used as the basis of Tim Dog's debut single, the Ced Gee-produced "Fuck Compton", which became a modest hit and is credited with helping to spark the East coast/West coast feud of the mid '90s.
    The group then disappeared for several years, breaking up temporarily in 1990. They returned on Mercury Records in 1992, with the album Funk Your Head Up. The album received a muted response, in part because many tracks had been given a commercial sheen, having been remixed by outside producers at the label's insistence. Alternate mixes of this album's songs along with unreleased tracks from the sessions have appeared on later compilations. The song Poppa Large, remixed by Da Beatminerz became a hit and remains a staple of Kool Keith's live show. The song's video featured Keith in a straightjacket, his bald head encased in a birdcage.
    1993's The Four Horsemen was considered extremely strange though still brilliant, offering a darker, jazzier sound. It featured guest production and vocals by Godfather Don, who produced solo Kool Keith sessions in 1992 during another brief Ultramagnetic breakup. Some of those tracks appear on The Four Horsemen, and also on The Cenobites LP. The former was the last official album the Ultramagnetic MCs released until their 2007 reunion.
    There were many semi-legitimate and compilation albums to follow, the most official of which was Next Plateau's The B-Sides Companion, which featured a new song, some unreleased 1989 songs recorded for a second Next Plateau LP and most of the group's classic singles, albeit in newly remixed form. Ced Gee and Moe Love both provided demos and unreleased songs spanning the group's entire career to Tuff City for a series of four albums which were released without Kool Keith's consent. A live album, Brooklyn To Brixton, was announced but abandoned.
    As a reaction to Ced and Moe's involvement in the Tuff City releases, Kool Keith and Tim Dog reunited on the album Big Time, released under the name Ultra in 1997. Kool Keith went on to record many solo CDs, including several under aliases such as Dr. Octagon and Dr. Dooom. His abstract rhymes and syncopated, off-beat delivery influenced many rappers, including Pharoahe Monch from Organized Konfusion.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 646

  • @AbeVigoda49311
    @AbeVigoda49311 20 днів тому +10

    September 2024. One of the dopest records of all time, made by one of the greatest of all time. KOOL KEITH!!!!!

  • @MrLionheart1974
    @MrLionheart1974 4 місяці тому +50

    May 2024, still bumpin. Better than most music made these days🤘🏾✊🏾

    • @CasMackay
      @CasMackay Місяць тому

      By far aing no hh like this anymo

  • @jojoraeburn425
    @jojoraeburn425 5 років тому +448

    This will never get old it was made tommorow

  • @josephmagro1920
    @josephmagro1920 4 роки тому +154

    One of the most underrated HipHop groups. Legends.

  • @matthewbryant4926
    @matthewbryant4926 4 роки тому +251

    Everytime I hear this song it gives me chills,this is a masterpiece

    • @paulbryant8403
      @paulbryant8403 3 роки тому +8

      Yea man ive been bumping thus for like almost 20 years it still gives goosebumps. Guys a genius

    • @yxyxs
      @yxyxs 2 роки тому +6

      Goosebumps rn bros, he really do communicate with the world

    • @bushwacka5187
      @bushwacka5187 Рік тому +5

      A fcking classic

    • @minzdogg6180
      @minzdogg6180 Рік тому +2

      Absolute timeless Lyric freak love it Till i die and mr funkyman from lord of the underground says i Hope they Makin Records up in Heaven 😂🙈

    • @bushwacka5187
      @bushwacka5187 Рік тому +1

      Hell yes

  • @misanthropiq3433
    @misanthropiq3433 5 років тому +130

    I keep in shape and do my physical fitness
    Your head's numb, so your brains a miss this
    Pick 'em up, eat 'em up, pick 'em up, heat 'em up
    Pick 'em up picklehead, pick 'em up picky
    I roll wit globs and I come real sticky
    Grippin' the mic, I plug it up in your ears
    Crazed and brewer. I'm coming out like beers
    Like Rheingold, Miller, Coors, and Buds
    I'm a eat 'em wit popcorn and treat 'em like suds you duds
    Coming out the wick wack, wicky, wickable wack
    Black jack, that's a fact, writing exact behind your back
    The funk rhyme'n master, blaster
    Kicking up in a brainstorm, rainstorm
    Rap storm, rap form
    Rap time, rap rhyme
    Rap class, I'm here to fail and to pass
    To continue, furthermore on the hype tip
    I roll and rock, rock and roll
    Jazz and pop, rhythm and Blues
    Dance and fusion, brain confusion
    Look at the lights, what a night on the town
    [Hook]
    I'm Poppa Large, big shot on the East coast (4x)
    Now I'm back to funk, freak the funk
    Hype the funk, swipe the funk and all that junk
    I get busy on 'em, communicate wit the world
    Man, woman, a baby boy and a girl
    Poppa large looking out, the bombs drop
    Taking stroud while your face and arms drop
    Stop, look, learn to read, learn to write
    Learn to talk, learn to walk
    And watch your step though, I'm hype and ripe though
    Kleptomaniac, a rhyme'n psycho
    A Ricky Ricardo, a Guy Lombardo
    Sporting a ragtop, an El Dorado
    Step into Hollywood, I'm screening the boulevards
    The rhymes is gain type, I'm ready to pull a card
    Jack'a Ace, King'a Queen
    Call me the deuce, I'm pouring out like juice
    Hitting the top, feeling the rim
    Getting a trim, I never rhyme like them
    On and on, on and on, on and on
    Until the break of dawn
    I go overtime, rock the mic in nighttime
    Daytime, switching off to Primetime
    Pacific east, strolling back in the west time
    Ride the funk wit the mic in the east rhyme
    Hype and dope, hype the frame
    The mic is smoking, yo I ain't joking
    Rhyme to kill, rhyme to murder, rhyme to stomp
    Rhyme to ill, rhyme to rock
    Rhyme to smack, rhyme to shock, rhyme to roll
    Rhyme to destroy any decoy boy
    On the microphone
    [Hook]
    You're dripping sweaty, coming hard on your neck
    As I flow and grow from head to toe
    Seeking a style like John McEnroe
    Dissing 'em all, serving them wit the mic stand
    Like Prince and Michael coming out wit a big band
    The crowd is live, you can play as the manager
    Run wit the money, I pull the trigger and damage ya
    Boom, taking life more serious
    I may sound lyrical and very mysterious
    Rhymes are grip tight, program to kill more
    A son of Sam, how could I be Gilmore?
    Grabbing the mic, you see the dark and shadows
    You're in living hell, without time to battle
    The funk ignited, hands are writing, brains dividing
    I'm coming out in sighting
    Like I'm Blackula, a better man that Dracula
    Spectacular and not irregular
    In fact you are speaking impopular
    Rhymes are moved and you can't be stop wit the
    Beat as it goes to the rhyme that flows
    Like a coke in a straw burning up in your nose
    That's a bad habit, stepping out on stage one
    Drop the mic, come and turn to page one
    Look at the master, my rank is higher
    My lyrical burns, your brain's on fire
    [Hook]

    • @proudafricanamerican7586
      @proudafricanamerican7586 4 роки тому +1

      Lukas Hledik
      Thank you!!!!!!

    • @CyanBlackflower
      @CyanBlackflower 4 роки тому +6

      Thank You, for transcribing that, hopefully bringing more clarity, thus greater appreciation to K.Keith's "Octagon0logical" Abstract Prose - which is what Keith creates rather than "Bustin'" Rhyme. The common object of it is to appeal to the imaginative, sensual "left hand" (Right Brain Hemisphere) in order to express ideas and concepts which are "Lateral" thinking, intuitively abstract, and eccentric to those thought structures which we are used to using everyday, to describe the world at large. To invoke an Emotional response via surreal verse. Relevant, to genius, to those who can get it. Crazy to ridiculous to those who cannot. Same as anything anyone says. Prose WAS popular in Shakespeare's day, but is not so well used today. It is Pure Art. Good Job on the Transcript.

    • @proudafricanamerican7586
      @proudafricanamerican7586 4 роки тому +2

      Thank you., wow

    • @Chessbox09
      @Chessbox09 3 роки тому +1

      @@CyanBlackflower Thank you, great breakdown on Keiths' style

    • @FRD-HDD
      @FRD-HDD 2 роки тому

      Thanks!

  • @brianoshea2422
    @brianoshea2422 2 роки тому +66

    Old Prodigy fans should love this tune

    • @DJHypnovibe
      @DJHypnovibe 5 місяців тому

      was thinking the same thing

    • @IlIlllIIIllIIlIIlII
      @IlIlllIIIllIIlIIlII 5 місяців тому

      lol I just heard the sample in a poppy house track

    • @dustrontron3145
      @dustrontron3145 3 місяці тому +1

      Are you referring to slap my bitch up? That's from a different song and not his solo stuff

    • @ТотещёРУСОФОБ
      @ТотещёРУСОФОБ 2 місяці тому +3

      Diesel power

    • @davidmockler2160
      @davidmockler2160 2 місяці тому +1

      This song gets sampled in so many electronic tracks now

  • @mrdeillusionize5151
    @mrdeillusionize5151 3 роки тому +20

    Kool Keith is an underrated Goat should be in every true heads top 10

  • @KISHIN-RIKI
    @KISHIN-RIKI 3 роки тому +27

    Favorite version hands down 🙌

  • @rayy_9
    @rayy_9 Рік тому +18

    Interessante o final da série do Mine, muito realista essa textura aí🤘

  • @richsenyor6641
    @richsenyor6641 6 років тому +30

    the extra long winter coats or keith wearing a straight jacket with ball shorts
    & tims I cant decide which is more classic

  • @juangarcia2467
    @juangarcia2467 Рік тому +4

    DEFINITELY one of the most SLEPT ON CREWS in rap!!

  • @akingdomservingking9311
    @akingdomservingking9311 4 роки тому +6

    1 illest hip hop songs of all time by one the illest MCS of all time!!!!. . . Period end of discussion...

  • @jupiterdef
    @jupiterdef 3 роки тому +103

    That flow is INSANE!

  • @MartinGamer-jw6op
    @MartinGamer-jw6op 5 місяців тому +11

    0:08 Blind the wind?

  • @Crunchysopa52
    @Crunchysopa52 10 років тому +69

    these cats were some of the DOPEST out!

  • @rightknowledgeman
    @rightknowledgeman 4 роки тому +5

    My niggas from Bx, I remember them in the early days ( mid 80’s) b4 the dope records started droppin

    • @danscott3880
      @danscott3880 3 роки тому +2

      Ultramagnectic M.C's. Critical beat down. Next to criminal minded and PE ...greatest old skool record

  • @BradyGozza
    @BradyGozza 5 років тому +23

    Classic Hip Hop. So dope 👊

  • @RafA-ji1rx
    @RafA-ji1rx 4 роки тому +4

    ONE OF THE BEST RAP VIDEOS & SONGS EVER. Point & DONE!!

  • @theodorecruz5173
    @theodorecruz5173 4 роки тому +3

    ULTRAMAGNETIC MC'S poppa large
    ↗↖↗↖↗↖↗↖ ♨
    rap hip hop classic ⚫ jam
    amp 🔊 ♠

  • @Therealtatertottom
    @Therealtatertottom Рік тому +2

    I’m poppa large!!!! 2023 January 1st happy new year let’s keep this song rocking!!!

  • @thegreg4
    @thegreg4 4 роки тому +5

    Pffff this man is in my list of the best top 5 rapper/m.c. Of ALL TIME!!

  • @brentlashley2138
    @brentlashley2138 3 роки тому +2

    One of the best to ever do it.

  • @ronsmith9735
    @ronsmith9735 4 роки тому +6

    One of the best remixes in hip hop history!

  • @torreyt948
    @torreyt948 11 місяців тому +1

    90s hip hop was the sh*t, you had to be there!

  • @raimywinter2309
    @raimywinter2309 11 місяців тому +1

    This video made me fall in love with hip hop.🤘🏻🎱🤘🏻

  • @youngtrainingdaywestphilly203
    @youngtrainingdaywestphilly203 2 роки тому +1

    Perfect barz from the beginning to the end.

  • @carlitomendez4658
    @carlitomendez4658 Рік тому +1

    2023....MASTERPIECE forever........KOOL KEITH #1

  • @anthonytruman
    @anthonytruman 3 роки тому +3

    I KEEP IN SHAPE
    AND DO MY PHYSICAL FITNESS

  • @js-jd1dx
    @js-jd1dx 7 місяців тому

    I was a Sophomore in High School when I first heard this. REAL HipHop was Blowin Up and in Full Effect. The Industry will never come close to Producing such Talent like that again.

  • @adelayad9318
    @adelayad9318 5 років тому +26

    2019

  • @marlowkaplan3584
    @marlowkaplan3584 5 років тому +4

    This is the pinnacle..

  • @freddieorange1673
    @freddieorange1673 4 роки тому +2

    Classic Ultra!!!!!!

  • @Dr.Quarex
    @Dr.Quarex 2 роки тому +1

    I heard that part (you know the part) sampled so many times that I thought surely it was from something in the pre-paid-for-cleared-samples era, but no, here it is. Amazing work

  • @iurieysi9103
    @iurieysi9103 3 роки тому +2

    one of the most sampled track

  • @jblue88hoodgamer54
    @jblue88hoodgamer54 2 роки тому

    I'm glade that they put this song in Def Jam Fight For NYC.

  • @PapaRazaa
    @PapaRazaa 3 роки тому +2

    This song just popped in my head and i had to listen to it

  • @jgrange
    @jgrange 3 роки тому +1

    Who's here in 2021's rap class?

  • @larrywayne8427
    @larrywayne8427 4 роки тому +2

    who remembers this song on *Def Jam Fight For NY* ???

  • @tvbuu
    @tvbuu 5 років тому +3

    Hip hop. Real hip hop

  • @davidalexander_93
    @davidalexander_93 5 років тому +33

    Def Jam Fight For NY

  • @Papagrande829
    @Papagrande829 Рік тому

    2023.. Still blowin this out Dville

  • @flatbush46
    @flatbush46 Рік тому +3

    Such a dope group ! They constantly came with 🔥

  • @Trickydik1
    @Trickydik1 4 місяці тому +2

    This was made in the year 3000! I’m not even born yet

  • @milesfolley6840
    @milesfolley6840 5 років тому +5

    Kool Keith is spittin man.

  • @naturalbornchiller158
    @naturalbornchiller158 4 роки тому +3

    Fucking amazing

  • @harleminthebuildn9234
    @harleminthebuildn9234 3 роки тому +3

    THIS IS MY SHIT. CRITICAL BEATDOWN

  • @techromancer1
    @techromancer1 4 роки тому +6

    This the song that introduce me to kool keith...I used to battle rap like him ... that word play is legendary ...bug up ultra

  • @gaticusx2933
    @gaticusx2933 3 роки тому +3

    1:12 the verse that comes next is the best part!

  • @soufienkhalfaoui7593
    @soufienkhalfaoui7593 10 місяців тому +1

    Kool Keith, MF DOOM and Ghostface Killah are hip-hop's podium but all gold medals 🥇 🥇 🥇

  • @marclewis5505
    @marclewis5505 3 роки тому +2

    Damn this was my jam back when I was lil kid and it's still dope yo!😎🔥

  • @pavavision4695
    @pavavision4695 5 років тому +5

    2019 🎶🔥🎶🔥🎶🔥🎶🔥🎶 2020

  • @OLskewL
    @OLskewL 3 роки тому +3

    Us heads are a unique kinda people. Don't let these humans of today enslave you. Guard your heart.

  • @skssuccess75
    @skssuccess75 4 роки тому +2

    I forgot all about this song... I remember hearing it back in high school. Definitely a classic

  • @quentinstewart9030
    @quentinstewart9030 4 роки тому +3

    With his LYRICAL SKILL (style) HE SHOULD”VE DROPPED THE WHOLE RAP GAME ON ITS FUCKING HEAD...that”s real ass SHITT

  • @michaelmalapi4552
    @michaelmalapi4552 2 роки тому +3

    Masterpiece... kool Keith is way too underappreciated

  • @magicmarcell
    @magicmarcell 3 роки тому +1

    Bro I used to listen to this to bboy in highschool, but now that I'm rediscovering it dude was spittin lol

  • @esc_george
    @esc_george 3 роки тому +1

    0:58 The Prodigy - You’ll be under my wheels

  • @seelow733
    @seelow733 2 роки тому +1

    Ah this is what inspired the house of pain

  • @mindfulmarketing9414
    @mindfulmarketing9414 4 роки тому +1

    Listening to this today remembering the many burners I had I hearing elegant poetry best to explains the human experience during such trying times yet I want to sing along. Is that so bad?

  • @Николавасев-д7ч
    @Николавасев-д7ч 4 роки тому +1

    the Best on the market

  • @kingweb581
    @kingweb581 3 роки тому +3

    The Matrix of HiP HOP👁️🎤

  • @park7854
    @park7854 3 роки тому +1

    kool keith is a great rapper he is a pioneer

  • @erwinrogers9470
    @erwinrogers9470 2 роки тому +1

    Classic 🔥

  • @davidmarquis9645
    @davidmarquis9645 Рік тому

    Still loving this BX

  • @d-o-n
    @d-o-n 4 роки тому +2

    He was the first phyco and crayz rapper

  • @johnduffy6992
    @johnduffy6992 3 роки тому +2

    true shit! definitely one of the best!

  • @raheenhenry6982
    @raheenhenry6982 5 років тому +1

    Love Ultra!

  • @buttjohnson
    @buttjohnson 10 місяців тому +3

    now back the funk, freak the funk, hype the funk, swipe the funk, and all that junk, i get busy on em, communicate with the world, man, woman, a baby boy and a girl

  • @FarFresh812
    @FarFresh812 6 років тому +1

    2018 this still my shit

  • @demonikexorcist
    @demonikexorcist 4 роки тому +4

    kool keith rhythem x is a lyrical god

  • @johnduffy6992
    @johnduffy6992 Рік тому

    Still underrated song.. but it is a classic to fans.. Happy 50th Birthday rap..

  • @ladygagarinone630
    @ladygagarinone630 3 роки тому +1

    we listen in the czech republic!!!!

  • @vollsticks
    @vollsticks Рік тому +1

    "Too Weird For The Source" Part One Million And Several

  • @andersjohansen219
    @andersjohansen219 3 роки тому

    Sooo damm dope!!!Yearrr...Now thats hip hop at ist Finest💯

  • @armandobroncasegura1608
    @armandobroncasegura1608 2 роки тому +1

    El mejor .l.

  • @salzavenchura9043
    @salzavenchura9043 8 років тому +5

    DJ Dan - Wicked Burning Frenzy brought me here...

  • @juliumoore8587
    @juliumoore8587 2 роки тому

    OOOOOhhhhh Wwwwweeeeeee Sssshhhhiiiiiiitttttt,Fire ,Peace to the Gods

  • @cauplodymusic2628
    @cauplodymusic2628 Рік тому +1

    1:56 Space Laces - New Challenger

  • @DD-mz4lr
    @DD-mz4lr 2 місяці тому +1

    Can't find this track on Spotify :(

  • @kurtv7638
    @kurtv7638 8 років тому +6

    rhyme to destroy Any decoy boy... yea man yea man

  • @thetravisgreene
    @thetravisgreene Рік тому

    Probably the best verses ever written.

  • @wakawoo12
    @wakawoo12 3 роки тому

    1:15 blew my mind last week when I first heard this lol I always associated it with the song that sampled it that played on that old ipod commercial from 2004

  • @jamesbutnz7904
    @jamesbutnz7904 3 роки тому +1

    when 'Rap' was RAP!!!! ... Abstact rap... now... they seek to DILUTE ... My brothers and sisters making a living of this industry better pay HEED!!!!!!

    • @hiphopheaven
      @hiphopheaven 3 роки тому

      when hip hop head used to support artists instead of only complaining

    • @jamesbutnz7904
      @jamesbutnz7904 3 роки тому

      @@hiphopheaven hmmm. i dont know what you mean by that ... but i take it that your kinda young... another thing that has become pase'... respect for ones elders... you youth learn how to be men or women from TV instead of your parents... think about that

    • @hiphopheaven
      @hiphopheaven 3 роки тому

      @@jamesbutnz7904 I mean that good rap never stopped to exist but most old heads I saw always complains about the current state of hip hop but doesn't support any good artists hell they don't even buy new albums for old school artists who still drop new music.

  • @kendraswanson1313
    @kendraswanson1313 5 років тому +3

    You already know, got this 1 on VHS as well 😊

  • @alanmonahan5607
    @alanmonahan5607 4 роки тому

    Yup Larry

  • @matthawes4395
    @matthawes4395 2 роки тому +1

    That's real shit
    Fuckin DOPE!!!

  • @DavidR-ub2dp
    @DavidR-ub2dp 3 роки тому +1

    Kool kieth spits fire

  • @REMSTEX1
    @REMSTEX1 4 роки тому +2

    Greetings to The Prodigy

  • @shaolinslumz
    @shaolinslumz 3 роки тому +2

    insane flow 🔥💪✌️

  • @DarkLight91077
    @DarkLight91077 4 роки тому

    yeah

  • @gugulethudube2249
    @gugulethudube2249 Рік тому

    Listening to this now you feel like hiphop lost something, its inner spirit or soul.

  • @mysharona6754
    @mysharona6754 2 роки тому

    How am I 43 years old and never heard this song before

  • @BabylonCentral
    @BabylonCentral 2 роки тому

    Just game over here.

  • @w3vy719
    @w3vy719 2 роки тому

    Nice.

  • @yngcalico1755
    @yngcalico1755 5 років тому +1

    Great video, giving me lots of inspiration!

  • @gerb7821
    @gerb7821 4 роки тому +1

    Tasty

  • @creoleDJ
    @creoleDJ 4 роки тому +1

    Back in the good old days of ACTUAL hip hop

    • @byHexted
      @byHexted Рік тому

      That was yesterday for any actual hip hop fan lmao ask Kook Keith who’s put out what a dozen albums in the last decade? I never get if y’all think the rappers in these videos think it’s somehow a compliment that you just ignore their modern music and just pretend it doesn’t exist 💀 not to mention all the dope going underground lyrical artists, many of which Keith has worked with. That dude is how old and he gets it lmao what’s your excuse? I swear if everyone had your attitude hip hop would’ve died in like the 90s If that

    • @creoleDJ
      @creoleDJ Рік тому

      @@byHexted man, stop! I’m a DJ & only play underground, old school & “alternative” hip-hop. You need to speak that to the other folks & not me. 🤣🤣 FOH ( cues up Kool Keith’s “Blue Flowers”)

  • @paulhyde7126
    @paulhyde7126 3 роки тому

    just unstoppable.

  • @egghamsil
    @egghamsil 5 місяців тому +7

    how was this lost!?!?!?!?