How Psyonix and its Players BROKE the XP System in Rocket League
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2023
- The experience system in Rocket League has become an overly complicated beast that hardly makes sense anymore. Player levels extend into the 1000s, progression is more based on the money you spend than actual in game experience, and avatar and title rewards are basically meaningless. But it wasnt always like this. This is the story of the Rocket League XP System from launch in 2015 down to Free to Play. It's a story of XP glitches and hacks, toxic title shaming, broken patches, in-game point struggles, useless avatar borders, and how the once prestigious Rocketeer title was just tossed away.
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People these days always ask "What is first rocketeer?" and never "How is first rocketeer?"
At least I changed it up and asked "Do you have any cool screen shots to share?"
Hi stoney, is Shipp's :)
You are my hero
just sad
Legend
I miss the days where everyone apologised to you because you had a "Legend" tag and how "Rocketeer" was revered.
"Don't demo him, he's a Legend"
that's the equivalent of an SSL tag in low 1400s casual matches these days 💀 "bro stop early challenging his aerials bro please stop he's gonna sweat bro please"
I was a legend but didn't have ps plus so was offline only 😂😂😂
The days were max level was 75 😂 I was happy to get there before epic bought rl
@@Brotato333I was the same I played back in the day without ps plus
I played the first rocketeer years ago and had no clue what it meant so I screenshotted it and sent it to a friend, not knowing it was only that guy who had it. My friend went crazy when he saw the screenshot.
I remember meeting a master and that was insane to me, it was when I didn't play much, he used to style on us and we were just shocked. that was like early-mid 2016
I remember the 50point thing for XP.. it caused another problem.. BALL CHASING
in the lower ranks ppl would be so in their heads that ppl would just ball chase meaning if you're doing any 3v3 mode (which i usually main as a casual.. of like 7 yrs) you basically had to pick between WINNING the match and ranking up VS getting rewards for something you paid for
I also miss every match giving you something even if it was something useless or doing something random in game to find out you get points for it
I even remember unlocking my rocketeer tittle n was hyped bc i was first outa all my friends
This was an interesting video going back through the history of xp; would you consider doing a history based vid concerning items/drops/crates etc in rocket league? I feel there's a lot of players (like myself) who never played with crates and keys and stuff and it would be interesting to learn about that :D
man i miss crates. i was too broke to afford the keys to open them all though 😂
I think I joined rl like right when they moved from crates to drops/blueprints
Shaming people for a title?
Glad we left that behind us once they changed the system...
"Hey bro, where did you buy that GC title of yours?"
@@MrMeeseeksPiano had that happen in a diamond 2s tournament (I slacked on playing tournaments so my rank dropped there) and my teammate was like plat in 2s and was out of position all game, but since I had the GC decal on they shamed me for not being able to carry a practically 1v2.
@@TheScienceNerd100 which season was it from?
@@TheScienceNerd100 I had the opposite happen. I was in a gc 3s tournament and my teammate and I called our other teammate a silver because we thought they were bad. Then, I checked their profile and they were ACTUALLY gold in all playlists, including tournaments. This was season 4, I still have no idea why they were on our team. We actually made it to semi finals and we were a lot nicer to him when we found out he was actually gold.
@@PandaFan2443it was all a clever ruse. He was an anti-smurf
The progression system was never really good, but the thing I'm upset about is that we're not getting uncommon drops after matches every now and then anymore. Now it's just blueprints which are more annoying to receive than anything else.
Yea, because they cost credits. And if you’re poor you can’t unlock it
@@Zenikai_It's not that they cost credits as much as it is the cost to build a blueprint is usually way higher than the cost to buy it from someone online.
@@Player_Redacted oh yea, thats a good point. i didnt even think about that
These videos are great. I enjoy learning about the good ole days. Must be nostalgic as heck for people playing back then.
It’s crazy how much the game has changed since Alpha, there weren’t flip resets back then or anything. They also rejuvenated the game with the f2p update
Super nostalgic! I mean sometimes you forget how simple the times were back then but these videos always take you back and then you remember that you've been playing this game for 9 years.
i remember leveling up feeling so slow back in 2018-2019. I played at the start of 2018, stopped playing after rocket pass 2 released. Took a break for a few years, started playing again recently a few seasons ago and doubled my level in half the playtime I had in the game.
It's crazy because I remember this but the one my buddy and I did back in the day was I would sit on the goal line. He would push the ball into me and get closer and closer until the ball was rapidly bouncing between us. So he would get a Shot On Goal and I would get the Save but we were so close to each and the bounce was so fast it ran up the XP. Did it once or twice way back when. Great video thanks for the memories!
I started playing the game early July 2018, so as a new players I experienced the old level tags, and how excited I would be whenever I saw a legend or rocketeer.
This is back when I cared about my points during a game as well, and I remember right after the progression update, being surprised with how few points I was getting per match. Good times, now level is entirely meaningless, I've never bought a battlepass or cared about any of that garbage either.
Ty for including me at 11:20 top right :D
THE NOSTALGYYYY I REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY ME AND MY FRIENDS USED TO TELL EACH OTHER "HAHA YOU ARE JUST A ROOKIE" and still for some reason veteran was my fav and i used to memorize all of the levels to get the tag the old days bro
Yup, that little rant at the end is something that I can agree with a 100 percent.
sledge is on another level
bro is in a banger streak keeps making banger after banger
Man, the aerial hit sound effect in Rocket League and the OG AR Fortnite fire sound effect are two of my fondest memories of the early days
I worked so hard to get to lvl 75 for my rocketeer title, but when the progression update came, all my friends got it almost instantly, even though I had double the hours they had. I wish Psyonix kept the rocketeer title to the players who hit 75 before the update :/
I got the privilege of finding stoney in a 3's game, to think of the odds of that happening is absolutely beyond me, its probably a rarer experiencer then unlocking a titanium white octane! I think I lost the first game against him and then won the second game, but it would have not occurred to me that he was still playing in 2023.
I really wish they would implement some new kind of progression. After reaching my personal goals, I feel like there's nothing left to play for. I can only hop on and play a couple games before feeling like I want to log off. I used to *want* to grind, now I barely even want to play..
The thing that sucks is that rocket league doesn't have a good level up system like Fortnite. Fortnite has daily while rocket league has weekly which is dumb because people can easily complete those quests in a day but have to wait for next week for the next set of challenges
5:23 hahahahah I remember back in 2017 I used this dropshot exploit to go from level 40 to level 60. Good times :)
I remember a wierd xp glitch on xbox that put you straight to rocketeer. I dont really remember how it was done but it totally existed
Coming up on 5K can't wait!
You can briefly see your actual xp level when you log in before you’re connected to the servers.
I recently reached level 4200. It's so lame that they don't give us more banners. It should be an easy update to give us a few more colors to that banner. :(
banner? Or avatar border?
@@curlywhites I meant avatar border, yes.
I remember when I first got the "Legend" title 😂 and I was so happy, I still have it equip today as my main title (only switching for special events)
Madness, never realised 1900 was last boarder just had to look again 🤣, level 2063 myself -10.2k games, 52.2% win, 2169hrs play time so far 😪
Lvl 2272. Rocket Demigod sounded cool and I do still use it normally, so those final lvls in 1900s I was grinding purely to to see what title you get at 2000. Can say I was pretty tilted to find out you just get nothing, not even a new border. I would've even been fine with "Touch Grass" as a title.
The more I type I realize I may still be a bit salty just thinking about it...
i always wondered where those xp popups went (first touch, turtle, etc..)
I guess I’m too old to have those kinds of nostalgic memories. I got rocketeer before all my friends and then it became pointless and I never paid attention it level again
i'm at level 4500 ish and literally everytime I level up I get a reminder of the level-up which I'm not sure why it's even in the game, when the progression update first came out, I grinded the hell out of it for level 1900 so I can have all the banners, but then what? it's just a number that shows pretty much nothing, not even how much you played the game since leveling up it's so easy now, they need to actually do something with it or just remove it altogether
I don't remember if I barely got Rocketeer before everything changed or if I barely didn't get Rocketeer. Thanks for these videos. They're always so nostalgic.
I barely didnt get it
I remember getting points for first touch and all that. And i remember wondering why i wasn't getting points when i came back to the game a few months ago
Iam playing this game for maybe 1 1/2 or 2 years now. I miss some new black market stuff or maybe a new tier like legend with colorful goalexplosion and so on. Maybe a chance to reduce all those old black markets which are worth 30-50 cr cause there are hundreds of thousands of it already
I got Rocketeer before they changed the XP system and yeah, it was awesome. Back when I was master my friends would always poke fun at me for my title ;) Good times..
The fact it ends at 1900 makes me sad as I am that lvl for a while now
Yeah we had SO little content and tutorials when I first played this on full release. I had 380 hours no ball cam LMAO. It was BAD
I must admit, I was the kid doing the puck xp glitch, I left my ps4 on overnight so many times just grinding away, thinking back on it now, it’s just sad but I loved it back then
imagine playing a team based game just to have your own team compete with you instead of the opponents your playing against
in 2016 me and a friend became ADDICTED to rocket league just trying to get the rocketeer title, i remember being really impressed just because my opponent was a 'legend' one game
i remember when i came back to the game in 2020 i was weirded out by the titles i was like where's my legend title and saw my level was 1 i thought they rested my account 2016 was so fun trying new things and just hitting the ball was super fun for everyone
1:55 the camera shake triggered me so much for no reason lmao
Another banger sledge. I'm a free2play baby so this was cool to see. Didn't know about all this.
Free to play babies smell different. You can always tell when one is in the room.
I'm a level 1919. I've played since 2016. But Sledge have you heard of the phenomenon of getting reset all the way back to 0 my in game career is far off from my stats on RL Tracker my goals for instance on my career page in game say I have scored 6416 goals but on the RL tracker I have scored 38,080 wich puts me in the top 0.4% of players #3,189th in the world.
I felt so cool when I finally got my Rocketeer Tag, then I loaded into a ranked game, missed 4 aerials and got trash talked 😭
lol
I know my level is around 400 because if you open the game without an internet connection, it shows in the bottom left instead of your rocket pass level.
At least I have more avatar borders to look forward to even if I'm permastuck in toxic champ ranks.
What a fun walk down memory lane
I just hit level 2000 today and thought the game bugged when I didn't get a frame. Now I get it lol
now do another video on how gold is the new bronze and people are trying to derank down to bronze because it is so rare.
I made a documentary about Bronze last year: ua-cam.com/video/gsM6DMbceOc/v-deo.html
i used to do the dropshot scoring bug to get rockeeter
I miss the old rocket pass system. Where every level you get a drop and all the rocket pass pro tiers were randomized. The system the changed to since free to play is completely terrible and there’s no decent way to earn painted items from trade ups
Unfortunately that was another change that was out of Psyonix's hands. Randomized pro tiers (that could be purchased) could be viewed as "gambling" and Epic has already paid out millions in lawsuits for the crate system.
I remember how people with Rocketeer titles would get roasted like there’s no tomorrow if they had a bad game or bad teammates. It was like getting Colonel 100 in Battlefield, except players didn’t understand that it’s just a matter of time before you get there, and it doesn’t necessarily reflect your skill, not like competitive MMR/rank, and even that can be manipulated.
been playing since 2018 and was confused to see me only at level 400 seomthing. wanted the SSL title
i love my GC titles and it won’t change no matter how many open nets i miss.
😭🙏
I actually did the opposite of this video, I was around Rocketeer and didn't really want the title so I went into a private match used cheat engine and set my score to negative 999999... and then after the match I was set back to level 1 and was given the Rookie title again, so it was pretty funny how annoyed people in competitive got when a rookie was beating them, I got called a smurf every game for a while and the level never went back up until after the progression update must have taken into account my matches played or something.
Wow I used to do the dropshot method way back in the day and I thought I created it lol
I remember back then it didnt matter the rank it mattered the title. If you were legend+ it was like you were grand champ
They need to get rid of the "over 900/1000/1100 points in a single game" challenges. As someone who never plays 1v1 or 2v2 it's almost impossible to reach that score and any time you even have a chance of getting there you're obviously stomping the other team so they concede. "Holding the other team to 0" also just adds stress to every game until you're done with it. I was recently annoyed at a 7-1 win... that shouldn't be a thing.
the points ones you need to go to 1v1s in my opinion....just stay in the goal...it's easier when they're gold too
how do you change your picture on RL?
Can we talk about the "no profile pictures for epic players" tho? Like what do I have a avatar boarder for if I can't have a pfp?
i rem this all, i rem doing the dropshot glitch too and not getting points for my bicycle kicks
5 months ago I've found an XP exploit(among other impacts) that still works and can net me 5 levels per hour while AFK.
I did report this but they still haven't fixed it.
I'm about 1100 and have never opened any loot boxes I have 150 or more to open
I used the dropshot one and gained like 300 levels before it was patches
im level 1161 and im gonna miss getting borders ever 50 levels i use them all the time
im lvl 4100 something. old school legit player. Managed to get rocketeer when it actually mattered :)
Rocket Sledge? More like Rocket Sage. He's here giving us the ancient history of the game.
I remember doing all this lmao. What a trip down memory road!
I finished 73 or 74 I think
147 i think but thats only for this season, my actual level is like 2300
I remember thinking the match was going to be sweaty when I saw players with a higher title
finaly someone did a vid about it
Not sure if it was intentionally left out due to thinking it was irrelevant, or just not known or maybe even forgotten during the video creation process, but the minimum score requirement to gain XP is now 25 in a match. Unless it was mentioned and I missed it, the video is a little misleading in that it may make unaware players believe the minimum score requirement is still 50.
You are the second person to mention this, and though in my research I've seen a few comments mentioning it is 25, I will probably run a test to confirm for myself as there is no official statement I can find. If it has been changed it's a more recent one and I guess could have been included in the free to play part of the video. Though my focus on the 50 point requirement was more about 2018 than than today. Will report back if I learn anything more.
Just got XP with only 30 points in a game. Seems you are correct!
@Rocket_Sledge haha yeah, my friend and I play a lot together, and we've had those random bad matches where one of us only gets 24 points and no XP, and then 25 points in a different match and get XP
@@Rocket_Sledge Yeah, 25 is the new minimum. Glad you tested for yourself though.
I miss the old system because A) I bought the game via my expensive Playstation+ subscription and don't want to pay even more money so someone else can "free to play" and B) what use are modifiers for a party if you can only solo queue because you have a life outside Rocket League. I also liked the common drops at the end of a match when you leveled up because even if you already had it, they used to have a way to trade those in as a group and get something higher tier. Now, most often if I do one of the stupid challenges, I get a loot box that gives me a duplicate item I can't get rid of!
Challenge Items can definitely be traded up though... There's a whole trade up menu for both regular and tournament items.
@@Rocket_Sledge Wonder if that is a recent change. I got a lot of stuff and would go trade them up and half the items in my inventory wouldn't even show up to be selected. Or, maybe I'm just confused as I can't keep all the stuff straight. I never really got tournament items as I'm not good enough to actually win and since my daughters were born, have basically quit playing as it wasn't worth buying the season pass where nearly all the unlockable items seem to live now.
I guess I’m one of the few players that actually cares about their XP level… to an extent tho. I’m about 750 or 800 and even tho the Avatar Border rewards seem largely the same, I always use the highest XP border I own and insta-equip when I unlock a new one. I’m actually quite hyped cuz I’m nearing the gold XP Avatar Border pretty soon :D
The system still plays a role, especially early in your RL career. Later on when you are level 5000 though it starts to be redundant.
I remember how sad I was when I realised I didn't get new borders for a while, to find out I hadn't gotten them for 200 levels already at 2100 at the time.
I remember being terrified of seeing Rocketeers… ahh good times
EGS announced pfps for EGS players months ago.... I guess they really cant deliver anything when you remember UE5
I can't be the only person to be just below Rocketeer before Psyonix changed the XP system to put me like double where I was and instantly give me the Rocketeer title. I was so mad that I grinded for the title just to be given it instantly.
Bro I was like level 30 then and it shoved me all the way up to level 100 it was dumb as shit 😭
I have the veteran tag and I've been playing 2 days, I'm not sure how I got it...
I kinda miss getting flamed for being a shit Legend/Rocketeer (cause I did the puck farm) in what would probably equate to modern day silver 2 gameplay. Getting to rising star div 5 in 2s and getting my first black market decal out of the champion series crates was peak RL, now it’s just sunk cost fallacy that keeps me going
Your level is actually still displayed where the rocket pass level is shown, just not when there's an active rocket pass. Once the pass ends, you'll see your full level again
So that would be like a 2 day window between seasons?
@@Rocket_SledgeI can see mine after games
@sublizzel pretty sure only your current Rocket Pass level is shown after games.
@@Rocket_Sledge I dm'd you on discord
@@dr_redbanRL thank you for that. seems you are right. everyone skips that screen though haha
Used to think I was so cool hitting bicycle hits I would only go for them lol
I remember, I was level 72 or level 73 ant wanted to get rocketeeer so hard, then the system changed and I got so angry.
I am currently XP Level 3069 and I haven't had a new Avatar border in years. 15,933 games, 55.4% win rate, in game time played 1,294 hrs, but steam says 3,115 hours. I know I've left the game running accidentally while I go run errands or eat dinner though.
In game means IN a game. Not training. So all of your training time is not counted either.
Level 7142 @ 13,744.8 hours since '16 checking in...
Remember when we used to fly to the net after a goal to get in the replay? Good times!
Nowadays, Rocket League is just Smurfs.
Legit well over 50% of my matches in every mode have a Smurf(ing)/Underranked player(s), maybe (maybe) 20% in 1v1 duel. (yes there are definitely Smurfs in Ranked Duel... only God knows why lol)
It's still kinda fun, b/c I know I'm improving at the mechanix of this uniquely Beautiful game... but. No. instead of calling it Competitive, they should just call it "Competitive"
It's not competitive, at least not for the average adult player. It just isn't.
Probs gonna start playin' it way less soon... Just kinda holding on to the good times, is why I play so much atm...
I know so very many ppl who left the game b/c of smurfs...
I'm probs gonna join 'em soon.
(btw you've been an inspiration since I first heard of ya back in the day... always a fan even if(when) I quit the game entirely. Much love, flower! )
My xp level is somewhere around 4200(when I last checked)-5000
The only reason i know my level is because i got my level 300 border a few minutes ago
I just hit level 400 after ~600 hours of playtime and 3 years of playing :D
I wish I hadn't looked... Level 2633. Ooof.
yeah the servers been so laggy latetly
U missed out on a crazy xbox xp glitch back in 2016/17 where just by switching accounts repeatidly would duplicate your xp and game stats so u could get rocketter on a fresh account in under 1 min
I dont find that one really all that crazy as you already had to have a Rocketeer account to make it work. But yes I did see that method. Useful for making your smurf accounts already have all the items unlocked.
@@Rocket_Sledge no u didn't have to be rocketeer already u could be any level so if u werr level 2 on 2 accounts u would keep duping the amount of xp of a level 2 so would take longer but if u had a level 30 account switching just a couple times would dupe enough xp to hit rocketeer
@@shotzz2522 ah interesting, the only ones I saw had a first step that was like: "take an account that already is rocketeer..."
Where do you find the titles tou get
Profile tab
Where in profile tab
Now even grinding for the New bordes yet they look to repetitive
Very good video
I hit rocketeer 2 days after they changed it so it didn't matter anymore. I had been playing for so long :(
I can tell you my exact level. Hit 1000 yesterday
Well you also have to think about the previous leveling system they had. Psyonix didn't have a clue as to the possibility that people would become extremely mechanical or amazing at this game when it released. So calling people legend or pro was just a meaningless fun addition to the game. Until the players actually started getting crazy good at the game.
I view it more as the common practice of game companies pandering to their players. Making them feel "special" or good. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just had some unforeseen consequences, especially once being a "pro" started to mean something.
I used to do this and even have a video on my channel
They need at least a level 2000 border..!
It ending at level 1900 is so fucking stupid lol