It isn't that it controls everything, it's the personification of human nature. The desires at the heart of man. Submitting to desire is submitting to causality. That's why its only order to Griffith was to _do what he wants._ Because when you only live for your desire, you are relinquishing your will to the idea of evil, to causality.
I don't know if its the desires of mankind. Because Guts rebels against it too, and survives his sacrifice, despite he himself is a man. Plenty of people have their own desires and can be caught up by causality against their will. I think a better explanation is that it is literally is just how mankind perpetuates a cycle of suffering upon itself. Godhand members are representation of how man inflicts suffering upon others. Femto is presumably raw ambition, Void probably is religious devotion, Slan is probably lust etc... and each Godhand members needs to subjugate humanity to continue the cycle. Idea of Evil's command to Griffith to do as he wills is because Griffith's pursuit of his ambition will bring pain and sorrow, keeping the proverbial heart beating.
@@riskymesk A major theme of the Manga is the duality of humanity. That of our animalistic nature and of our higher will that can allow us to rise above it. A struggler is someone who's will is so strong that they are able to swim against the flow of causality. Whilst the majority of people will be swept up in its torrent. You can kind of see an allusion to this in the bonfire of dreams. Everyone casts their light into the raging bonfire because they aren't bright enough to light their own way. Guts sees himself as a traveller who's just warming himself by the fire because he is. His will is too strong to be completely consumed by the bonfire, but he has no telos guiding his path, he, at that time, was just wondering from place to place, with no real goal or plan. An apostle is a person who has fully submitted to their animal urgers, their base desires, their shadow. This is why Zodd is powerless to disobey Griffith, he is a puppet of causality. He has no will because in all likeliehood, the Skull Knight was the higher self of King Geiseric and Zodd was his beast of darkness. They more than likely separated in a failed individuation brought about by the Berserker armour. The exact thing Guts is about to go through, and hopefully not fail. The whole Manga has been an externalisation of the internal conflict a person goes through when they undergo a Jungian individuation, in which a person grapples with their shadow and must accept it as part of themselves to move forward as a more complete person. Apostles are slaves to their desires, they're what happens when a persons shadow runs unchecked. Zodd can do nothing but fight because that is the desire that defines him. The skull knight is a revenant of will, someone so disgusted by their shadow they reject it entirely. And in doing so cut themselves off from the human experience (he's a hollow suit of armour who is defined by his perpetual struggle with fate.) The idea of Evil is a personification of the collective shadow of humanity as it resides in the collective unconsciousness. It's not some separate entity, even though that's how it is perceived. It's the sum total of all human desire. Everything that makes animals of man. Guts is going to have to integrate his shadow, the beast of darkness, into himself to have his confrontation with Griffith. But he can't let it consume him or he too will end up a slave to causality.
@@Cernunnnos Dude that explains a lot more. Thank you for sharing your insight. The series is even deeper than I thought. I really hope it gets the ending it deserves.
@@riskymesk You and me both. I'd honestly just settle for Miura's notes and sketches. I just want to see what he had planned. I obviously think I've got a pretty good handle on where it was going, but you're never going to guess things 100%
Basically from my understanding humanity collectively created "God" (through shared subconscious desires) which has the power to influence reality on a global scale. This God is ultimately a slave to mankind as it simply gives people what they truly want. The issue is that humanity as a whole craves drama, violence, depravity, monsters, demons, etc, despite also wanting peace, love, beauty, angels, etc. Essentially if everyone had the mindset of innocent children and collectively wanted a true utopia than the Idea of Evil would make sure that happens, but unfortunately that's not true human nature.
Yeah I see it as a reflection of human desire just like the godhand really only want to give you what you desire with a dark twist but idk they seem inherently neutral evil compared to apostles like Irvine who's the most human of apostles.
I've been thinking why Berserk's humanity would not (even subconsciously) wish for suffering to go away, but merely wish for an explanation for that suffering.
I like to think, that Miura cut the Idea of Evil, because one could ask, why there is no Idea of Good then. I can imagine, its really easy to write oneself into a corner with this "The collective human conciousness creates gods"-thing. WH40k is a good example of this. It just creates to many plotholes in my opinion Edit: In case I catch myself some edgelords, I am fully aware, that suffering and malevolence are pretty prominent in Berserk and/or our world, maybe even predominant, but compassion, love and empathy are just to strong emotions to be fully ignored
I think the magical and asteral world existing in the physical realm were able to create good. That through discipline and prayer people created gods that helped them, but I believe the sins of the United Realm under Gaseric created the calamity that separated the physical world into a place without any gods. Pain and suffering being so prolific then created the God of Evil. A desire to think that their is some reason for a person's ill fate as well as desire for revenge
@@bmustardman I heard a theory a few days ago that also said, that all of this is somehow connected to King Geyseric. Well all we can do is hope that we live to see the ending of Berserk xD
The thing about the idea of evil is that it was created out of the necessity to justify evil. No one needs to justify good, everyone claims as their own doing. Evil, though, they needed something else to take the blame for that
I think that magic was taken away because of the sins of the current humanity, AKA King Gaseric. Humans were essentially casted out into a place of pain and suffering without the aid and splendors of the magical realm to help them. Thus all the pain and suffering creates the idea of evil that drops behilits into the human realm creating monsters that are charactacure of their desires. And their desires are molded by their circumstances ergo reinforcing causality. Possibly magic and the Astral realm can be a mechanism of rejecting causality with magical intervention. I understand that magic isn't innately good, but rather it is able to change a person's fate. Often I wonder if Guts represents Free Will and struggling against giving into your fate/desires while Griffith represents Determinism by accepting the necessary evil of getting what you want(sacrificing all of your friends) as well as giving into his desires. I love the philosophy of this Manga. I often wonder if it was entirely planned this way. I am glad that the lost chapter exists, but it's great to understand it isn't necessary.
people couldn't realize that there was no pattern or reason or fairness to the universe so they decided to make up a reason for why bad things happened to good people.... what?!
If there's an idea for evil, then that implies there has to be an idea of hope/good? You can't have evil without good. As much as the two try to cancel each other out , the two ideas cannot exist without one another.
Indeed, the only time we see somewhat of a divine miracle/blessing was when scheirke had all the villagers pray 🙏🏾 to stop the forces of darkness, and it worked
I think the asteral realm and magic have good to offer. And being separated from it has cause an imbalance of pain and suffering creating more evil. I often wonder if someone ever rejected the deal with the God Hand on their initial eclipse. That instead of becoming a monster apostle they become an Apostle of the light? Obviously their souls would have to not be already damned like the Counts.
No, because humans fundamentally don't need or ask for reasons for good things to happen. They ponder life's hardships, but take its gifts for granted. An idea of good would fundamentally undermine Berserk as a series. It would take agency from characters who are opposing fate and desires.
I am not a big Berserk expert but from what I understand the way the layers of reality work the deeper down a being exists the less logical constraints apply to it but the harder it has to affect the real topmost world. And the idea of evil a being without any logical limits that is all knowing and all powerfull and responsible for semingly everything should have zero ability to actually use it's infinite power to affect the world, but it somehow got the ability to affect the world. It is probably not unique in being an "idea" of absolute perfection and embodyment of a concept as a platonic archetype but the rituals that Void or the original summoners or communicators of the idea of evil did that allowed it to respond is probably what makes it special. As an example there probably is an "idea of comfort" that is the most comfortable being in existence and causes everything else in existence to gain it's level of comfort. This being is shaped by all lifeforms idea of what something being comfortable is and it's only purpuse is to make everything that is comfortable just as comfortable as they are. This being that doesn't do anything to change our reality and can't be affected by anything in our reality might as well not exist but it technically does and has infinite power in the same way the idea of evil does it just never use it. The idea of evil is like if Void reached out to and talked to gravity and gravity decided to respond and change the way it interacted with the real world. A law of nature that arbitarilly decided to change it's effect to squish random humans when logic dictated that it can't. That is my understanding of the idea of evil.
Thing is, the idea is not cannon (or isn’t entirely an absolute concept), flora mentions that the behelit is an object created in the deepest layers of the astral world by an “unforeseen” entity. I reckon the godhand want us to believe that this entity has absolute control over causality (when infact what we do know is that the godhand always lie to meet their objectives such as during the eclipse or when an apostle is born). From the godhands pov the entity that they are agents of is the absolute god but if you see things from witch’s perspective they channel magic from the elements and there are elemental gods in the astral realm besides the godhands entity. I also reckon that the reason why griffith is so hellbent on destroying the witches abode and other realms is not because he fears (or whatever you call it) the unknown but because that fear is put in him by the entity itself
What if the Idea of Evil only can control the fate of those given a behelit? That means the only way to defeat it is to stop it from sending more behelits into the world. The lesser behelits in the world, the less Apostle there are and the lesser the power of the Idea of Evil have influence on the world.
That seems like a bandaid solution bc im sure evil would still find ways without behelets so perhaps control and reeducation and strong eladership can stop evil down to its roots
It really can only manipulate people and events to a certain extent because the universal power of free will people have. It can't make anybody do anything, really. It's up to that person like the count when he didn't sacrifice his daughter.
I always liked the idea that Miura always intended to cut the Idea from cannon. Turning it in the the literal incarnation of a metaphysical concept. It has become what it is in Berserk and that is really pretty fantastic. Is it real, is it not. We are creating the idea of evil by talking about it. Knowing about it despite it not really existing so later down the line, us the readers are literally responsible for the creation of the Idea.
Yeah I'm glad i got to read it. Because I sometimes need a big fluorescent sign telling me what's what. Sometimes stories can leave a little too much up to imagination
Jung's archetype theory really intrigued me. Im actually doing research on this because it could relate to reincarnation. Maybe we have lived on this earth many times before. Thank you berserk😁
The Idea of Evil is not exactly new philosophical idea, philosophers have been discussing this issue for centuries if "God" or "Gods" created humanity or the other way around, and of course, the idea that humanity cant live without pain and misery, that is part of our human nature, not matter how much humans dream of an utopia where everyone is happy, human nature always destroy that dream, because there always be someone or some people that want to misery of others for their own gain.
The Idea of Evil is pretty much the Demiurge. Miura 100% had to have had some real life magickal and esoteric understanding. Shierke even preforms the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, one of the first rituals taught in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and Thelema.
Wait didn't the writer redcon this because he had a way better idea for it later? Personally i think this form of the concept probably contradicts things like the moon child.
I'm glad I got to read this chapter before it was removed. Berserk always had a dream-like, fey quality that was only enhanced by a chapter suddenly going missing and me not knowing what happened until years later. The entire manga is a wild experience and one of the best pieces of media ever produced.
Just saying ... Does that means , if Guts if the only person that ever made Griffith lose sight of his dream ... And his dream , was willed by the idea of evil. Does this mean that , actually , Guts is the only one able to kind of -Defy- causality?
We gotta remember that guts pretty much manifested his encounter with griffith again. After two years, we never see another apostle having the opportunity to have 2 ceremonies later
Thats true, it is not always like that if it was Guts and Kaska would be dead, instead they escaped, they are branded and thus will be haunted by demons until they die, but they survived. This must be salt to God hand 😂 and I am all for stuff not working out for those evil creatures that think that they can do everything, would not have beef with them if they didn't crush innocent just because they didn't like, for example how the person smiled or they just felt pekish and they could... I am all for reminding the God's who hurt people or don't perceive the people as something, to get reminded that they are too mortal.
If i were to end the story i would have it at the final battle it gets revealed that there is an idea of good, like a big brain in the highest part of the astrel world. And its in constant competition with the idea of evil in the lowest part of the astrel world, over dominance or balance of the pysical world in between. And that the idea of good chooses its five champions in secret and without ceremony, influincing them with the fingertips of a big invisible Left hand of god. Guts, skull knight, maybe caska or puck and even zodd could unbeknownst be its current champions. Maybe Void also could be one of its chosen as a god hands double agent. Idk, theres alot more i could go on and on about with that but its just an Idea (pun intended) that i sometimes like to think about.
@@makokx7063 thats very kind of you thanks. I suppose the typical conflict of good vs evil forces is exremely cliche. Since its used in like ... everything. How would you end it then?
@VikingVern7 I think most fans would be satisfied with Guts absolutely beating the shit out of Femto and killing him in the most brutal way possible. Anything else is window dressing at this point.
Thank you so much for making this video I didn't want to go back and read every single panel that might have been about him, from a piece of me to you I wish you all the joy in the world 🌍
its from japan. the easier perspective might be men's inherent inability to give up. to be swayed by over whelming desire. not saying idea of evil is weak, but it is a symbolic concept that given form, and its power is equivalent to mankind's folly.
today reading the chapter gain i was thinking , what if grifith know that skull knight was to come for saving caska and guts,he ashended eveything becomw phemto ,he dont feel remorse he lost interest in guts , i mean his purpose is supposed to be the rule of everything he doesnd mind moral revenge...its above that , he usead this casuality for something in the future....not im saying he saved for sake of saving ofc , but just another manipulative move.
@@ryukomatoi592 hey your friend likes what he likes. They can't help having poor taste lol I'm joking. I love a bunch of types of animation from Akira and princess monoke to demon slayer but berserk 16 was just bad to look at for me
It's mostly the animation. And sound design. It's not terrible, but it just seems low effort compared to what the manga was. It's taking legitimately beautiful and painstaking art, turning it into PS2 animations, adding some hatching back on top to remind you of the original great art, and then throwing pots and pans clanging sound effects over everything...Ffs ACTUAL video games have done it better. Seriously compare the 2016 Anime to some of the Video Games and games actually look better....
Member that Skull Knight lover did not have the brand of sacrifice on her head. So she was sacrificed from someone else, not (supposedly) void. And from here we can deduce I have no idea were I'm going with it
If the idea of evil is the desire of man, I wonder if its true end goal is to annihilate evil itself. Maybe its just a small desire very deep down, but that desire might be aiding gutz to fight the current of causality bringing him closer to the god hand and the entity itself.
If man can manifest evil then there should be good as well? and since we know it uses reference to the Holy See, we then know Jesus Christ exists in the Guts universe and thus is the God of Good and truth, meaning the idea of evil is actually a liar and a devil
The Idea of Evil in it of itself could be the reason for Causality in the first place then again it also could just be a concept instead of something real in the Berserkverse. Either way, it’s intriguing to think about.
The script for these videos can feel pretty unnatural at times. There is a tendency to not say the word “the” when it should be said. I understand that “Idea of Evil” is the name of the concept, but it would be said as ‘The “Idea of Evil”’ when referring to it. The awkwardness is usually there at the start of a section, or at the start of the video. Some video titles (at least for your Berserk video) are pretty inaccurate or straight up made up descriptions of the characters. You Slan video said she was a nun, which is a theory without much basis. I’m not saying “don’t include theories”, I’m saying “have factual character descriptions in your video titles”. I know you are just pumping them videos out, but check your scripts with someone else before getting the videos voiced (assuming it’s one guy making all the scripts and a bunch of hired people voicing them)
Interesting video. "Berserk" is somewhat profound, it would seem. So much "God talk", I can't help it. I got to say it. "Do what thou wilt." After watching this video, I see what is meant by this phrase. But speaking as a Christ follower, I cannot but say this old saying in its original form. "Fear God and do as thou wilt." In "Berserk" the Ideal of Evil may be god but IRL God is the Righteous Judge. God is the sovereign and mankind is responsible for the lives we lead. But if you think that serving the Lord is evil then "do as thou wilt". I have decided to serve the one who said "Before Abraham was I AM." And "I AM the way, the truth and the life. No man can come to the Father but by Me." Both the above quotes were said by Jesus in the Gospel of John.
I wonder if a person can escape an audience with the God Hand, for instance a person with a behelit meets them, refuses to sacrifice and keeps figthing like guts did. Would that person be able to escape? Because it seems like the audience lasts for a very short time, I can imagine that with the magic and spiritual system in that world, that kind of audience must be draining some energy source a lot. So it seems like a person needs to hold out until the time/energy expires.
Well the slug count was send to the abyss after refusing to sacrifice his daughter but he was already an apostle we dont know what happens when a human refuse to sacrifice to the god hand?!
@@ghost-writer007 that is true, for now I would imagine the result would be the same as what happened to the slug count. But then again, the human would have to choose between "good and "evil". Maybe only if you affiliate yourself with evil, you will end up like that. And if you refuse as a human, they might just go away.
I don't think so, I don't think it even exists on a spectrum of good and evil (though it is called evil), only that it sprung out from humanity. I think it is more of a neutral force, like the 'chaos of nature', a collection of all of the wants that we push away and deny ourselves for societal reasons.
I hope by the end, when Guts fights Femto, Gutz breaks causality by sacrificing himself and refuses to strike the killing blow to what remains as piece of remnant that was Casca's child.
Ive heard about Carl jung, and boyght a book of his recently. Just a day or two before I finished berserk 1997. Now I look ag these videos and sur eenough Carl gets mentioned. Can't make this shit up. Carl is right.
I just don't understand why Miura just couldn't finish berserk. Bro took years off doing nothing smh. Now he's dead and we'll never know the true ending.
My guess, he had heart and other health problems for years and he prefered to live longer and perfected the story than died in mid 2000s and left story unfinished. In short, script for manga is 99% completed.
Some of the pronunciations in this video are hilarious. Next time you read a script maybe ask someone if you're pronouncing certain words correctly. Fine otherwise.
People like you who nitpicks and focus on the negative things instead of the positives are the reason why I dislike interacting with people in the internet. You are one of those when everything is fine? You go silent like a crypt but if any tiny small thing that is wrong? You are the first one to bark.
@@TooLameToDie Let me guess because I was right? You are one of those people who act like dick and when confronted? You make an excuse of "but this is just a criticism" learn how to critisize before trying to tell others about their prounouncations. I am not being a white knight and not sugar coating anything I know his pronouncations are not perfect at all but it is not that significant that I focus on it instead of focusing on the good contents of the video. Learn to focus on the positives aspects instead of the negatives.
It isn't that it controls everything, it's the personification of human nature. The desires at the heart of man. Submitting to desire is submitting to causality.
That's why its only order to Griffith was to _do what he wants._ Because when you only live for your desire, you are relinquishing your will to the idea of evil, to causality.
I get it just go with the flow and everything else will be taken care of
I don't know if its the desires of mankind. Because Guts rebels against it too, and survives his sacrifice, despite he himself is a man. Plenty of people have their own desires and can be caught up by causality against their will. I think a better explanation is that it is literally is just how mankind perpetuates a cycle of suffering upon itself. Godhand members are representation of how man inflicts suffering upon others. Femto is presumably raw ambition, Void probably is religious devotion, Slan is probably lust etc... and each Godhand members needs to subjugate humanity to continue the cycle.
Idea of Evil's command to Griffith to do as he wills is because Griffith's pursuit of his ambition will bring pain and sorrow, keeping the proverbial heart beating.
@@riskymesk A major theme of the Manga is the duality of humanity. That of our animalistic nature and of our higher will that can allow us to rise above it.
A struggler is someone who's will is so strong that they are able to swim against the flow of causality. Whilst the majority of people will be swept up in its torrent. You can kind of see an allusion to this in the bonfire of dreams. Everyone casts their light into the raging bonfire because they aren't bright enough to light their own way. Guts sees himself as a traveller who's just warming himself by the fire because he is. His will is too strong to be completely consumed by the bonfire, but he has no telos guiding his path, he, at that time, was just wondering from place to place, with no real goal or plan.
An apostle is a person who has fully submitted to their animal urgers, their base desires, their shadow. This is why Zodd is powerless to disobey Griffith, he is a puppet of causality. He has no will because in all likeliehood, the Skull Knight was the higher self of King Geiseric and Zodd was his beast of darkness. They more than likely separated in a failed individuation brought about by the Berserker armour. The exact thing Guts is about to go through, and hopefully not fail.
The whole Manga has been an externalisation of the internal conflict a person goes through when they undergo a Jungian individuation, in which a person grapples with their shadow and must accept it as part of themselves to move forward as a more complete person.
Apostles are slaves to their desires, they're what happens when a persons shadow runs unchecked. Zodd can do nothing but fight because that is the desire that defines him.
The skull knight is a revenant of will, someone so disgusted by their shadow they reject it entirely. And in doing so cut themselves off from the human experience (he's a hollow suit of armour who is defined by his perpetual struggle with fate.)
The idea of Evil is a personification of the collective shadow of humanity as it resides in the collective unconsciousness. It's not some separate entity, even though that's how it is perceived. It's the sum total of all human desire. Everything that makes animals of man.
Guts is going to have to integrate his shadow, the beast of darkness, into himself to have his confrontation with Griffith. But he can't let it consume him or he too will end up a slave to causality.
@@Cernunnnos Dude that explains a lot more. Thank you for sharing your insight. The series is even deeper than I thought. I really hope it gets the ending it deserves.
@@riskymesk You and me both. I'd honestly just settle for Miura's notes and sketches. I just want to see what he had planned. I obviously think I've got a pretty good handle on where it was going, but you're never going to guess things 100%
your pronunciation of certain words is insane
Maybe it's because Griffith wants to break out from the will of the Idea of Evil that he wants to eventually sacrifice Falconia.
Please learn how to say Carl Jung's name correctly
Basically from my understanding humanity collectively created "God" (through shared subconscious desires) which has the power to influence reality on a global scale. This God is ultimately a slave to mankind as it simply gives people what they truly want. The issue is that humanity as a whole craves drama, violence, depravity, monsters, demons, etc, despite also wanting peace, love, beauty, angels, etc.
Essentially if everyone had the mindset of innocent children and collectively wanted a true utopia than the Idea of Evil would make sure that happens, but unfortunately that's not true human nature.
Yeah I see it as a reflection of human desire just like the godhand really only want to give you what you desire with a dark twist but idk they seem inherently neutral evil compared to apostles like Irvine who's the most human of apostles.
Humanity creates it's own monsters.
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And so we are the children of lillith; blind, mewling, destructive and ignorant. So we are, and so we make. The wheel must spin.
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@@jonbaird8835 why do you say that?
I've been thinking why Berserk's humanity would not (even subconsciously) wish for suffering to go away, but merely wish for an explanation for that suffering.
Perhaps it just feels like a more reasonable desire.
I like to think, that Miura cut the Idea of Evil, because one could ask, why there is no Idea of Good then. I can imagine, its really easy to write oneself into a corner with this "The collective human conciousness creates gods"-thing. WH40k is a good example of this. It just creates to many plotholes in my opinion
Edit: In case I catch myself some edgelords, I am fully aware, that suffering and malevolence are pretty prominent in Berserk and/or our world, maybe even predominant, but compassion, love and empathy are just to strong emotions to be fully ignored
I think the magical and asteral world existing in the physical realm were able to create good. That through discipline and prayer people created gods that helped them, but I believe the sins of the United Realm under Gaseric created the calamity that separated the physical world into a place without any gods. Pain and suffering being so prolific then created the God of Evil. A desire to think that their is some reason for a person's ill fate as well as desire for revenge
@@bmustardman I heard a theory a few days ago that also said, that all of this is somehow connected to King Geyseric. Well all we can do is hope that we live to see the ending of Berserk xD
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is your comma key broken and just inserts in random places?
The thing about the idea of evil is that it was created out of the necessity to justify evil. No one needs to justify good, everyone claims as their own doing. Evil, though, they needed something else to take the blame for that
I think that magic was taken away because of the sins of the current humanity, AKA King Gaseric. Humans were essentially casted out into a place of pain and suffering without the aid and splendors of the magical realm to help them. Thus all the pain and suffering creates the idea of evil that drops behilits into the human realm creating monsters that are charactacure of their desires. And their desires are molded by their circumstances ergo reinforcing causality. Possibly magic and the Astral realm can be a mechanism of rejecting causality with magical intervention. I understand that magic isn't innately good, but rather it is able to change a person's fate. Often I wonder if Guts represents Free Will and struggling against giving into your fate/desires while Griffith represents Determinism by accepting the necessary evil of getting what you want(sacrificing all of your friends) as well as giving into his desires. I love the philosophy of this Manga. I often wonder if it was entirely planned this way. I am glad that the lost chapter exists, but it's great to understand it isn't necessary.
people couldn't realize that there was no pattern or reason or fairness to the universe so they decided to make up a reason for why bad things happened to good people.... what?!
Manifestation 101
If Guts ends up impaling the Idea I hope he tells it "I sacrifice."
This channel has just been CRANKING out great Berserk content! Kudos to you all
This is like a marathon to see how many words and names can be pronounced incorrectly lmao
It’s sadly a strange coincidence that Miura died due to a heart issue. “It’s not always a happy thing” rip
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If there's an idea for evil, then that implies there has to be an idea of hope/good? You can't have evil without good. As much as the two try to cancel each other out , the two ideas cannot exist without one another.
Indeed, the only time we see somewhat of a divine miracle/blessing was when scheirke had all the villagers pray 🙏🏾 to stop the forces of darkness, and it worked
I think the asteral realm and magic have good to offer. And being separated from it has cause an imbalance of pain and suffering creating more evil. I often wonder if someone ever rejected the deal with the God Hand on their initial eclipse. That instead of becoming a monster apostle they become an Apostle of the light? Obviously their souls would have to not be already damned like the Counts.
No, because humans fundamentally don't need or ask for reasons for good things to happen. They ponder life's hardships, but take its gifts for granted.
An idea of good would fundamentally undermine Berserk as a series. It would take agency from characters who are opposing fate and desires.
Meh, the idea that humans are inherently evil Isn't an uncommon one.
I am not a big Berserk expert but from what I understand the way the layers of reality work the deeper down a being exists the less logical constraints apply to it but the harder it has to affect the real topmost world. And the idea of evil a being without any logical limits that is all knowing and all powerfull and responsible for semingly everything should have zero ability to actually use it's infinite power to affect the world, but it somehow got the ability to affect the world.
It is probably not unique in being an "idea" of absolute perfection and embodyment of a concept as a platonic archetype but the rituals that Void or the original summoners or communicators of the idea of evil did that allowed it to respond is probably what makes it special.
As an example there probably is an "idea of comfort" that is the most comfortable being in existence and causes everything else in existence to gain it's level of comfort. This being is shaped by all lifeforms idea of what something being comfortable is and it's only purpuse is to make everything that is comfortable just as comfortable as they are. This being that doesn't do anything to change our reality and can't be affected by anything in our reality might as well not exist but it technically does and has infinite power in the same way the idea of evil does it just never use it.
The idea of evil is like if Void reached out to and talked to gravity and gravity decided to respond and change the way it interacted with the real world. A law of nature that arbitarilly decided to change it's effect to squish random humans when logic dictated that it can't. That is my understanding of the idea of evil.
Thing is, the idea is not cannon (or isn’t entirely an absolute concept), flora mentions that the behelit is an object created in the deepest layers of the astral world by an “unforeseen” entity. I reckon the godhand want us to believe that this entity has absolute control over causality (when infact what we do know is that the godhand always lie to meet their objectives such as during the eclipse or when an apostle is born). From the godhands pov the entity that they are agents of is the absolute god but if you see things from witch’s perspective they channel magic from the elements and there are elemental gods in the astral realm besides the godhands entity. I also reckon that the reason why griffith is so hellbent on destroying the witches abode and other realms is not because he fears (or whatever you call it) the unknown but because that fear is put in him by the entity itself
I'm wondering if Guts isn't actually some sort of "random answer" of the world to the calculated existence of Griffith.
Yin and Yang for every negative there is a positive Guts is an essential contrast to Griffith, that's what makes Guts so wonderful.
What if the Idea of Evil only can control the fate of those given a behelit? That means the only way to defeat it is to stop it from sending more behelits into the world. The lesser behelits in the world, the less Apostle there are and the lesser the power of the Idea of Evil have influence on the world.
That seems like a bandaid solution bc im sure evil would still find ways without behelets so perhaps control and reeducation and strong eladership can stop evil down to its roots
It really can only manipulate people and events to a certain extent because the universal power of free will people have. It can't make anybody do anything, really. It's up to that person like the count when he didn't sacrifice his daughter.
I always liked the idea that Miura always intended to cut the Idea from cannon. Turning it in the the literal incarnation of a metaphysical concept. It has become what it is in Berserk and that is really pretty fantastic. Is it real, is it not. We are creating the idea of evil by talking about it. Knowing about it despite it not really existing so later down the line, us the readers are literally responsible for the creation of the Idea.
Yeah I'm glad i got to read it. Because I sometimes need a big fluorescent sign telling me what's what. Sometimes stories can leave a little too much up to imagination
Jung's archetype theory really intrigued me. Im actually doing research on this because it could relate to reincarnation. Maybe we have lived on this earth many times before. Thank you berserk😁
The Idea of Evil is not exactly new philosophical idea, philosophers have been discussing this issue for centuries if "God" or "Gods" created humanity or the other way around, and of course, the idea that humanity cant live without pain and misery, that is part of our human nature, not matter how much humans dream of an utopia where everyone is happy, human nature always destroy that dream, because there always be someone or some people that want to misery of others for their own gain.
The Idea of Evil is pretty much the Demiurge. Miura 100% had to have had some real life magickal and esoteric understanding. Shierke even preforms the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, one of the first rituals taught in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and Thelema.
I’ve seen no one else pick up on this
Wait didn't the writer redcon this because he had a way better idea for it later? Personally i think this form of the concept probably contradicts things like the moon child.
I'm glad I got to read this chapter before it was removed. Berserk always had a dream-like, fey quality that was only enhanced by a chapter suddenly going missing and me not knowing what happened until years later. The entire manga is a wild experience and one of the best pieces of media ever produced.
1:18 - rotfl, what the hell did you do to Slan 🤣
Lovecraftian at it's best.
Just saying ... Does that means , if Guts if the only person that ever made Griffith lose sight of his dream ... And his dream , was willed by the idea of evil. Does this mean that , actually , Guts is the only one able to kind of -Defy- causality?
We gotta remember that guts pretty much manifested his encounter with griffith again. After two years, we never see another apostle having the opportunity to have 2 ceremonies later
Occultism; I believe it's real, and I believe the practicers of self service have successfully conceived the society of inescapable sin
Miura’s depiction of the idea of evil reminds me of the actual biblical depiction of angels. Definitely could have been the inspiration.
Hell yeah you are a Berserk lore juggernaut as of late!
Thats true, it is not always like that if it was Guts and Kaska would be dead, instead they escaped, they are branded and thus will be haunted by demons until they die, but they survived. This must be salt to God hand 😂 and I am all for stuff not working out for those evil creatures that think that they can do everything, would not have beef with them if they didn't crush innocent just because they didn't like, for example how the person smiled or they just felt pekish and they could... I am all for reminding the God's who hurt people or don't perceive the people as something, to get reminded that they are too mortal.
The chapters explaining this are my absolute favorite bits of fiction
Is the narrator AI? Asking because some mispronounciations feel more AI than human
That was deep, man.
These berserk videos are awesome, love the lore!
Great. I thought this entity would not be featured ever since the chapter it appeared in is more or less removed.
Glad I subbed to see this one drop. Thanks guys!
Keep em coming berserk 4 life
That fuckin Evil Beta Punch
If i were to end the story i would have it at the final battle it gets revealed that there is an idea of good, like a big brain in the highest part of the astrel world. And its in constant competition with the idea of evil in the lowest part of the astrel world, over dominance or balance of the pysical world in between. And that the idea of good chooses its five champions in secret and without ceremony, influincing them with the fingertips of a big invisible Left hand of god. Guts, skull knight, maybe caska or puck and even zodd could unbeknownst be its current champions. Maybe Void also could be one of its chosen as a god hands double agent. Idk, theres alot more i could go on and on about with that but its just an Idea (pun intended) that i sometimes like to think about.
Thank god you're not writing it then. That sounds like how a 12 year old who read way too many Shonen manga would end it.
@@makokx7063 thats very kind of you thanks. I suppose the typical conflict of good vs evil forces is exremely cliche. Since its used in like ... everything.
How would you end it then?
@VikingVern7 I think most fans would be satisfied with Guts absolutely beating the shit out of Femto and killing him in the most brutal way possible. Anything else is window dressing at this point.
very true @@alexanderjakubowski5673
Love this anime!!
Holy crap. I was just reading up on The Idea of Evil last night. Thanks for the video!
19:00 Reminds me of Eren Yeager the moment he saw that the Rumbling is inevitable.
Thank you so much for making this video I didn't want to go back and read every single panel that might have been about him, from a piece of me to you I wish you all the joy in the world 🌍
its from japan. the easier perspective might be men's inherent inability to give up. to be swayed by over whelming desire.
not saying idea of evil is weak, but it is a symbolic concept that given form, and its power is equivalent to mankind's folly.
Tell me this video is inspired by one of a previous video's UA-cam comment
It exists inside all of us we fear to let it out
today reading the chapter gain i was thinking , what if grifith know that skull knight was to come for saving caska and guts,he ashended eveything becomw phemto ,he dont feel remorse he lost interest in guts , i mean his purpose is supposed to be the rule of everything he doesnd mind moral revenge...its above that , he usead this casuality for something in the future....not im saying he saved for sake of saving ofc , but just another manipulative move.
If there is a God for the Idea of Evil, is there one for the Idea of Good? Can Guts meet him, given he still didn't sell his humanity?
Y'all upload schedule more regular than my bowel movements
Carl Jung's name is pronounced "Yung", not like "jungle"
And "deus ex machina" is pronounced "day-us", not "deuce"
Rylan took a few liberties and I liked it🤣🤣
Was hoping 4 this episode
I want wings 💀
First yay
I’m in the back of the classroom.
Slag is totally blurred XD
Nice 🍻
Is like the chaos god from Warhammer
They are kind of based on the chaos gods I can't remember the names but yeah
Nice
Every video I’ve seen from this channel is the same thing over and over
So we already killed this thing in persona 5.
I just want to know where we go when we die. If we reincarnate, then so be it.
Because of this lost chapter ,i think that griffith indeed, have done nothing wrong.
Interesting insight
Why do people hate 2016 anime?
It's the animation I believe. It looks clunky like a PS2 video game being released today. Just my opinion though
@@texasfuneral4787 a friend of mine likes it for some reason
@@ryukomatoi592 hey your friend likes what he likes. They can't help having poor taste lol I'm joking. I love a bunch of types of animation from Akira and princess monoke to demon slayer but berserk 16 was just bad to look at for me
It's mostly the animation. And sound design. It's not terrible, but it just seems low effort compared to what the manga was. It's taking legitimately beautiful and painstaking art, turning it into PS2 animations, adding some hatching back on top to remind you of the original great art, and then throwing pots and pans clanging sound effects over everything...Ffs ACTUAL video games have done it better. Seriously compare the 2016 Anime to some of the Video Games and games actually look better....
The animation and sound is lack luster the ps4 video game did better
Miura was too smart. Thats why he is gone
Member that Skull Knight lover did not have the brand of sacrifice on her head. So she was sacrificed from someone else, not (supposedly) void. And from here we can deduce I have no idea were I'm going with it
Canon heresy. Not canon "hearsay"
As a Xenoblade fan, I see a ton of similarities between the Idea of Evil/Z, and the Apostles/Consuls.
If the idea of evil is the desire of man, I wonder if its true end goal is to annihilate evil itself. Maybe its just a small desire very deep down, but that desire might be aiding gutz to fight the current of causality bringing him closer to the god hand and the entity itself.
If man can manifest evil then there should be good as well? and since we know it uses reference to the Holy See, we then know Jesus Christ exists in the Guts universe and thus is the God of Good and truth, meaning the idea of evil is actually a liar and a devil
The god hand and heart of evil is body of the god itself.
That just idea I’ve think of.
Wait, what the hell happens to the green apple people? Especially if the apple isn't perfect????
The Idea of Evil in it of itself could be the reason for Causality in the first place then again it also could just be a concept instead of something real in the Berserkverse. Either way, it’s intriguing to think about.
So its the warp from warhammer 40k.
The Idea of Evil VS The Triat Wyrm.
I hope guts splits Griffith in two for what he's done. I also hope the young og band of the hawk survives with his odd company
The script for these videos can feel pretty unnatural at times. There is a tendency to not say the word “the” when it should be said.
I understand that “Idea of Evil” is the name of the concept, but it would be said as ‘The “Idea of Evil”’ when referring to it.
The awkwardness is usually there at the start of a section, or at the start of the video.
Some video titles (at least for your Berserk video) are pretty inaccurate or straight up made up descriptions of the characters. You Slan video said she was a nun, which is a theory without much basis. I’m not saying “don’t include theories”, I’m saying “have factual character descriptions in your video titles”.
I know you are just pumping them videos out, but check your scripts with someone else before getting the videos voiced (assuming it’s one guy making all the scripts and a bunch of hired people voicing them)
Interesting video. "Berserk" is somewhat profound, it would seem. So much "God talk", I can't help it. I got to say it.
"Do what thou wilt." After watching this video, I see what is meant by this phrase. But speaking as a Christ follower, I cannot but say this old saying in its original form. "Fear God and do as thou wilt." In "Berserk" the Ideal of Evil may be god but IRL God is the Righteous Judge. God is the sovereign and mankind is responsible for the lives we lead. But if you think that serving the Lord is evil then "do as thou wilt". I have decided to serve the one who said "Before Abraham was I AM." And "I AM the way, the truth and the life. No man can come to the Father but by Me." Both the above quotes were said by Jesus in the Gospel of John.
Cool story,fam.🧐
Griffith is basically evil Jesus!
I wonder if a person can escape an audience with the God Hand, for instance a person with a behelit meets them, refuses to sacrifice and keeps figthing like guts did. Would that person be able to escape? Because it seems like the audience lasts for a very short time, I can imagine that with the magic and spiritual system in that world, that kind of audience must be draining some energy source a lot. So it seems like a person needs to hold out until the time/energy expires.
Well the slug count was send to the abyss after refusing to sacrifice his daughter but he was already an apostle we dont know what happens when a human refuse to sacrifice to the god hand?!
@@ghost-writer007 that is true, for now I would imagine the result would be the same as what happened to the slug count. But then again, the human would have to choose between "good and "evil". Maybe only if you affiliate yourself with evil, you will end up like that. And if you refuse as a human, they might just go away.
I wonder if the idea of evil also have a counter part
Like the idea of good or something along the line of the unbreaking human spirit
I don't think so, I don't think it even exists on a spectrum of good and evil (though it is called evil), only that it sprung out from humanity.
I think it is more of a neutral force, like the 'chaos of nature', a collection of all of the wants that we push away and deny ourselves for societal reasons.
Beserk reflects too much of life. Thats why hes gone
He knew💀
@@siddhartacrowley8759 the signs are everywere😳
I hope by the end, when Guts fights Femto, Gutz breaks causality by sacrificing himself and refuses to strike the killing blow to what remains as piece of remnant that was Casca's child.
Yo Guys What If The God Hand and The Idea of Evil Existed in The Demon Slayer Universe!!!
Ive heard about Carl jung, and boyght a book of his recently. Just a day or two before I finished berserk 1997. Now I look ag these videos and sur eenough Carl gets mentioned. Can't make this shit up. Carl is right.
I just don't understand why Miura just couldn't finish berserk. Bro took years off doing nothing smh. Now he's dead and we'll never know the true ending.
My guess, he had heart and other health problems for years and he prefered to live longer and perfected the story than died in mid 2000s and left story unfinished.
In short, script for manga is 99% completed.
@@Motofanable who said it was 99 complete?
@@AKpilations my guess, story is probably written but details like dialogs are not determit.
@@AKpilations u mad selfish 😂
Dude nice vids🔥
"heresy" and "hearsay" are not the same word my dude
The idea of evil is a straight up lovecraft monster. 🫀👁
Some of the pronunciations in this video are hilarious. Next time you read a script maybe ask someone if you're pronouncing certain words correctly. Fine otherwise.
People like you who nitpicks and focus on the negative things instead of the positives are the reason why I dislike interacting with people in the internet. You are one of those when everything is fine? You go silent like a crypt but if any tiny small thing that is wrong? You are the first one to bark.
@@Velshin1986 it's called a criticism. Let the uploader speak up if it bothers them...I'm sure they don't need you white knighting for them.
@@TooLameToDie criticism must be with manners. Calling his pronouncation "funny" is you being a snide dick.
@@Velshin1986 your opinion is meaningless.
@@TooLameToDie Let me guess because I was right? You are one of those people who act like dick and when confronted? You make an excuse of "but this is just a criticism" learn how to critisize before trying to tell others about their prounouncations. I am not being a white knight and not sugar coating anything I know his pronouncations are not perfect at all but it is not that significant that I focus on it instead of focusing on the good contents of the video. Learn to focus on the positives aspects instead of the negatives.
Marked *F* for food 😂
Yesssssss Thank you!