Breeding for Egg Color and Sex Linkage in Heritage Poultry
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2020
- Current market demands for heritage-based, production-oriented poultry include a demand for a variety of egg colors and the ability to offer sexed chicks at hatch. By understanding how these factors can be used with existing standard-bred poultry breeds, additional opportunities can be explored for providing birds for both small scale commercial and backyard markets.
Lisa Van Horn is one of the founding members of Peninsula Poultry Breeders, a collaborative group of small heritage poultry farmers on Washington State's Olympic Peninsula who focus on excellent egg and meat production. She breeds Barred Plymouth Rocks, Welsummers and Cream Legbars, along with a number of Heritage "Hybrids". Lisa has a background in biological science and an interest in poultry genetics.
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Amazing. Now I’m going to have a new hobby! At 70 years young it’s wonderful to retired and pursue such fascinating “stuff”. Thank you!
I love chickens and playing with the genetics to see what beauty emerges
Great job Lisa! Very, very interesting!
Wow!!! This video is so dense and full of info, worth of a book, please!!
We're happy you found it helpful.
Very interesting and informative now you made me more crazy about colored eggs. Thank you so much for the very valuable info
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely wonderful information.
These programs are great. Hope y'all are going to do more.
Awesome video! Thank you!
Great presentation Thank you
Very interesting and informative.
Great video thanks
this is such a excellent lecture
Thanks for watching, Aaron.
what a great video
if I was you, I would perhaps cut first bit as I nearly switched off, but I carried on and I’m so pleased that I did❤
Wonderful information! Really gives me the tools to make my own crosses. One question...would a Lavender Orpington be considered a silver breed?
I believe Lavender Orpington are on gold. They are technically gold-based black birds with two lavender genes which basically dilute the black. Their offspring in a cross will likely all be black. For a sexlink cross based on gold/silver, you would want to avoid the use of the extended black gene, however one could try using a Lavender Orpington rooster over a black barred hen, such as a Barred Rock or Cuckoo Marans, for black sexlinked chicks. Hope that helps!
@@lisavanhorn9944 Thank you for the explanation! Makes a lot of sense.
At the 6-minute mark, there is a slide with chicks and eggs. I am wondering if you could tell me what the cross is in the upper right-hand corner? They are yellow chicks with dark striping. Is that an Ameraucana rooster over a buff orpington hen, by any chance?
The chicks on that slide are a red sexlink made by crossing a Welsummer rooster over a Delaware hen. The males are the ones in the upper right hand corner, the females in the lower left corner. They are an example of the gold over silver sexlinkage cross. A Buff Orpington hen will never produce a sexlinked chick, unfortunately, as she does not carry a dominant sexlinked trait. However, a Buff Orpington rooster, being based on gold, could be used over a silver based hen to produce red sexlinks, or a barred hen such as a Barred Rock, to produce black sexlinks. The chart at the end of the presentation gives some suggested crosses.
@@lisavanhorn9944The video was super helpful, and I learned a lot. I asked about that particular one, because it looked so similar to one I just hatched. I hadn't considered the buff orpington hen not having a dominant trait. The stripes just looked so unique, so it made me wonder. Only one out of my hatch looked like that. Thanks for the response, and for the excellent video.
I’m glad you found it helpful!
@@lisavanhorn9944 can you post the calculator you mentioned
@@traciedowning2044 It takes a little practice, but is very comprehensive for traits. kippenjungle.nl/breeds/crossbreeds.html
Where can I find accurate information on what crosses make which hybrids? Like golden comets, isa brown, and cinnamon queens for example. The internet has contradicting information.
The ones you mention are all red sexlinks. Each hatchery gives their own name to the cross, with some being proprietary such as the Isa Brown. I believe Cinnamon Queens are normally a cross of Rhode Island Red male over Rhode Island White female. Golden Comets are traditionally a New Hampshire male over a White Rock female. If you refer to the breed lists at the end of the presentation, you will see the various combinations one can use to create a red sexlink. Best of luck!
EE Roo over Cuckoo Maren. Do the eggs stay brown or could there be green/ blue?
That could be a hard one to predict, as their is no way to know what egg genes the rooster carries. The Cuckoo Marans will be brown, so if the EE rooster carries a blue egg gene you can get green layers but the only way to know for sure is to try it and grow them out. A quicker method would be to obtain a rooster from a known blue egg laying breed instead of an Easter Egger, which by definition is a crossbreed.
Could you use a black ameraucana rooster (true breed, not easter egger) over barred rock for sex link olive egger?
Yes! That should produce a black sexlink.....female chicks solid black, male chicks with a white head spot.
Question for the experts, hen started laying exactly 13 weeks old, cockerel from same hatch started mating same time?
Love the show by the way 🤩
Thanks for watching. That's very early for a pullet to come into production. what breed are you raising and did you raise them from chicks?
@@ampasturedpoultry Hi thanks for your response. The parent bird's are Light Sussex, the cock pure breed, the hen hybrid. I hatched them and the other 6 from the same batch are normal
Where is the link??? For that crossbreed calculator
kippenjungle.nl/breeds/crossbreeds.html
The chicken calculator is not very accurate. The guy behind it has no interest in learning basic poultry genetics.
Please help. To get green eggs will it work with a brown egg laying hen to a rooster with blue egg genes
Or dose it always have to be the other way around.
This might work, the offspring will likely have greenish eggs. This can be observed in the top right of the video at 16:00
That cross will work. There is no sexlinkage with egg color.
Thats funny i have an icecream bar lol
Isbar leg bar cross i only have one the other one a mink got :(
Shes not laying yet i can't wait
İ am from azerbaijan. İ need Lisa Van Horn contact
How do we produce meat birds that mature in 45 days?
I don't know of any meat birds that mature in 45 days if you're talking about sexual maturity. If you want a meat bird is big enough to slaughter in 45 days, then look for a Cobb or Ross variety.
If my olive egger lays an egg and that egg hatches, what color egg would that chick lay ?
All depends on who the father is........the offspring could potentially lay blue, green or brown.
@@lisavanhorn9944 the father to the new chick would be an Easter egger rooster
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Can we have the link to the calculator.
kippenjungle.nl/breeds/crossbreeds.html
@@ampasturedpoultry thank you
The chicken calculator is not very accurate. The guy behind it has no interest in learning basic poultry genetics.
how can i breed dark brown eggs?
The easiest method would be to start with a breed from a dark egg laying line, such as a Marans or Welsummer. The alternative is to start the selection process of choosing to incubate the darkest of the brown eggs in a line of brown egg layers, although that process could take years and not be very successful. Finding a dark laying line through a hatchery might be your best bet. Good luck.
Can u help with the poultry calculator from the Nederland guy?I mean the website?
I'm going to try welsummer roo + cuckoo maran hens. so many chickens...so little room for them all:)
@@pandoraish can I get supplies of these breeds in Africa?
I mated my M cream legbar to a F Australorp. I Got a chick with a white spot on the head turned into a darker black Barred Rock but is a Female..
you need to breed a f cream legbar to a M australorp to get a sex link, so there is only 1 barring gene
Sex linkage for that cross would only work if the female was the Legbar. When the male is the Legbar, all chicks of both sexes will be barred. However, the chicks will only get one barring gene and will often have a darker, more muted barring, especially in breeds who are fast feathering.
Fine and good Gheh ñ
There are no Heritage breeds, only individuals in older breeds recognized by the APA that are bred for looks, not production. There are Traditional birds in the same breeds bred as the original creators intended. Welsummers and Legbars are not Heritage birds, as they do not fit the definition. By definition, Heritage birds are poor egg and meat producers, so how are Heritage birds bred with an emphasis on egg and meat production? What is the rate of gain and rate of lay of the birds?
There are more egg shell colors than white and blue. Blue is dominant to non blue, not to white. White is recessive to brown, which is a different locus. Actually, a white egg is a brown egg without pigment. Olive Egger is a backyard term, not a term used in the trade.
A Punnett Square uses alleles, not chromosomes. The person who made that is definitely not a geneticist.
What is a ground color? Who refers to a base color? Not a geneticist. Geneticists do not refer to leakage.
A 4 lbs. carcass at 16 weeks is poor meat production, but typical of birds bred for looks instead of meat production such as Heritage birds. Why would a child not understand sex links? I understood them in elementary school.
Black sex link females do not have leakage.
Cream does not mute barring.
What is the rate of lay of the Smokey Blues?
The chicken calculator is not very accurate. The guy behind it has no interest in learning basic poultry genetics. I do not recommend it.