Pretty sure his editor was like "George, you've got a complicated conspiracy centred in Dorne, another complicated web of deceit in the north around Stannis, a complicated plot in the Vale with Littlefinger & Sansa, a complicated mystical plot with Bran & Jon, another complicated mystical plot with Euron, several complicated plots & plots within plots in Mereen, that whole thing with Stoneheart and lastly the small matter of a possible sixth Blackfyre rebellion in the Stormlands... bruh are we absolutely sure the Maesters need to be shifty too ?"
"We got a couple more weddings too... heuh heuh heuh heuh. Don't forget another book about a prequel that will reveal everything! Then Elden Ring 2 comes out! HOTD will have all the characters time jump again to the next 4 Blackfyre rebellions then it will finally reach GOT as it concludes with Roberts rebellions, there might be one more conspiracy about the Baratheons and the Storm God but I can't say too much now."
Just because Marwyn said that the maesters are shifty does not mean that they truly are. George likes to be unpredictable, so when Marwyn says that the maesters killed the dragons then it‘s not true..
I mean, also gotta admit that during a civil war, chaos ensues. It's natural there would be dozens of plots all over the country. Doesn't mean the author needs to write about all of them and for us to follow. You can even have a character say at some meeting table "oh yes, lord X stopped a plot by the lords of Y to do Z" and there - you world builided that tons of chaotic shit its happening.
@@cancerino666 George fails at that which is why he is having trouble now. Reading A Feast For Crows years ago was so tough that its the only book that I don't think I'll ever re-read from the series. He doesn't know how to not write about unnecessary stuff. He peaked with A Storm of Swords. After that there was too much filler POVs for no reason.
@@DrZaius3141 ARC for AGoT goes for $2500+ right now in 2022 even after it's been published for nearly 3 decades. I'm sure someone will pay a small fortune to get it for twow, whether it's to read it prior to publish, to compare if there are any changes, or just to have it for a collection 🤷🏼♂️ But as I write this I realize there are some pretty valuable books out there... "it will be one of the most" is definitely a stretch.
@@why97359 I was lucky enough to have a sister who was into the series before the TV Shows. She got me into them around 2009 when the series was announced. I got some used first editions at a local book store (not realizing what they’d be worth) at the very least, I’ve seen these books go for like $150 a pop… not bad considering I paid like $15 per book.
George saying he's 75% done, but has to go back to rewrite, sounds like the story of the guy painting a huge bridge, and by the time he is done he already needs to repaint the whole bridge again becaus the paint at the far end decayed already.
That’s actually probably referencing a saying “painting the forth bridge” which was a common saying in the UK due to the perpetual task of painting the Forth Rail Bridge.
@@mrgaudy1954 It's just the "Forth Bridge." You don't need to clarify unless you're talking about the much smaller road bridge - which would be "The Forth Road Bridge" The rail bridge is so large by comparison its simply just called "The Forth Bridge"
@@mrgaudy1954 Not really. Before I begin, if you knew you wouldn't have made the mistake. But in any case, it's not "nit-picky" to those that live there. It's like confusing Washington State with DC; like conflating Comanche with Iriquois or Blackfoot. To other people I'm sure it's all the same. But I don't think a Bangladeshi would think I were being "nit-picky" if you called you out for naming them Indian...
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 Actually people from the area use Forth Bridge and Forth Rail Bridge interchangeably, as well as "rail bridge" and "road bridge" for the same purpose. They also aren't generally absolute weirdos who clutch their pearls over something like this, so they would consider you a nit-picker. As for equating this to calling Bangladeshis Indian, that is an absolutely clownish comparison. I'm not sure if you think this tirade makes you seem profound or intelligent but you're not really hitting the mark.
@Preston Jacobs if/when Winds finally comes out would you consider doing a series recapping/highlighting the state of the world at the start of the book. It's been forever and I would definitely need a refresher
As a University Librarian I can confirm that as long as you fill out all the forms yes we will let you view any material that the university contains. If it’s fragile or expensive we may ask you to wear gloves, be supervised or have a trained person display it for you. But the personal effects/writings of GRRM you should be able to consult that within the assigned room and return it when you’re finished. The contents won’t be laminated or anything, the contents will be examined and be catalogued so that the material can be searched for in the system but individual boxes won’t have their contents described because that’s not the detail that libraries go into. You don’t be able to make copies or any sort but you can make notes
As someone who used to work (as a student) in the Ray Bradbury papers section of IU, keeping the papers how they were delivered is exactly how most historical documents are kept in a university library. That being said they’ve likely already digitized the texts before making them available for research
Historian/Archivist here. Came here to say this. Most of the time we will actually remove lamination/plastic because it will damage the paper as it deteriorates. This goes for stuff like paper clips and rubber bands as well. As an aside, depending on the type of paper the shelf life of the originals may vary considerably. Modern printing uses a lot more chemicals that cause the paper to deteriorate faster because it's cheap, and most things are digitized. We have paper/vellum records going as far back as the 1200's, but some TV manuscripts from the late 2010's are already wasting away.
I think GRRM losing confidence over the glass candle has to do with it being too close to a crystal ball/palantir and the Weirwood Net is much more removed from that on the surface, but still accomplished the long range communications.
@@michaelhenry3234 But wheres the fun in that? Does George strike you as the type to restrict his stories? The opposite is true, otherwise we would have WOW, ADOS, 6 new Dunk and Egg books, and lord knows what else. Sure he has limits, but they're not the same limits us mere mortals live by.
@@williamhermann6635 I'm saying he was struggling with making that choice. His stories are expansive, yes, but he's constantly told us how much trouble he has with Bran's POV in no small part because his story is magical and he wants to be careful with how he presents magic. If he suddenly had the idea to put in a magical conspiracy and sorcerous manipulators sometime during the writing of AFFC, that'd be a huge decision to make that could drastically affect the story going forward. Of course he'd want to be careful with the idea and might lose confidence in it. But we did get glass candles, so it's a possibility that he did not drop the idea. Or it could've gone the way of the Shrouded Lord, who knows.
The object in the citadel and opening sequence in the show that you guys compare with the big lamp mentioned in the prologue is an armillary sphere, a real astronomical instrument used in medieval times, the shows designers couldve definitely chosen to include that independently of any input from George.
I think there is an asymptotic relationship developing between the writing of the book and time. Where everytime GRRM gives an update, he is a certain amount done, but never fully done whilst approaching 100% towards infinity, but never actually getting there. So in 4 years, he will be 98% done. In 4 more, it'll be 99.5%. Then in 4 more, itll be 99.78%. How funny would it be if he just fuckin ended the series in WoW. "There's your goddamn book, now leave me to my shows!"
It's starting to seem like Martin really wanted pyromancy and glass candles in earlier drafts, but now he's let certain magical concepts evolve over time that don't quite gel with some of his original details.
Grrm is like me. My friends are asking me, how far am I with my writing. I say that in the last year, I completed a good 50% of the book. Meanwhile in reality, I have done jack shit.
@@Hero_Of_Old One thing that helps me are deadlines. I'm most productive, 12 hours before a deadline. But GRRM is too big, for any editor to give him any deadlines. And he seems to give himself deadlines, promises and restrictions (remember last year when he promised that he will lock himself up in his cabin, and won't come out until he is done?), only to break them all and shrug it off.
@@SaneMillennial he said that New Zealand could lock him up, if he didn’t have Winds of Winter by some convention in 2020. Then the pandemic happened, and HBO spin off series.
I have a side book with prose that's designed for easy writing to deal with this problem. I write it to get into the process of writing, then once I am in the rhythm I switch over to my big project. Worked SUPER well for me, now I always write 3 or 4 pages a day when I used to struggle with one.
Carmine's astonishment at how libraries work made my day 😂 "That's a thing they allow?!" I remember getting a library card to my State University in highschool feeling like I could find out ANYTHING. Just walking through the stacks was an experience. This was in the before times, when not even the library computers had full listings and parts of the collection were tracked by card catalog...
Um....I just went to the library yesterday so no? My astonishment is how they allow people to go through George's things. technically they're his manuscripts and such and I figured they'd be under lock and key. Come on now, if you're going to insult me use some common sense first.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview love you carmine. I think they mostly wanted to share an experience from their past, maybe took the wrong segue to get there. Yall are clearly discussing George's manuscript library, and maybe the commenter heard it wrong.
Pretty sure a 30 year old man who lived in the USA knows how a library works. I was also surprised George allows people to go through his drafts and such and they're not on display somewhere.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview Carmine, I love your conversations with Preston, and I enjoy your contributions on air and I imagine there's a lot of stuff you do behind the scenes to make it possible too. Thank you! I didn't mean to come across as critical, if I'd have thought you'd feel insulted I never would have commented. I think the thing that made me happy was *relating* to your astonishment at discovering something cool that's freely available you were unaware of. It's totally surprising to me that George would donate that kind of stuff, it's less surprising to me we can access it now that the library owns it, but it is still an amazing thing. I misread what you were reacting to. Please accept my apology for wading into the conversation inartfully.
I’m telling you, T. This guy Beric has come back 6 times from this Azor Ahai fire wizard then breathes life into this dead broad and that’s the last time. What an arc!
I did something similar at another university library. There’s a huge collection of documents that the library had on this event I was researching, and I just had to let them know I was stopping by and they let me look through whatever I wanted. I couldn’t take anything out of the library - that was the only rule - but it was super handy and they had hundreds of items to looks through.
Surprised you didn't bring up the Undying comparison. They seem to live forever both as a hive-mind and physically (albeit as blue shrivelled zombies).
“Grab a torch and approach the flame. Dip it in and get fire. This is part of the ritual at Tribal Council, because in this game, fire represents your life; when your fire's gone, so are you.” This is a catchphrase from Survivor
So I once found this academic paper on the riddle of the sphinx and it said that in early versions the sphinx's question was much simpler: "What goes on 2 legs and 4?"... Oedipus of course answers "Man" but apparently that's the wrong answer and the actual answer is "An Agrarian Culture" referencing humans and their cattle. It occurred to me that "Dragon" in the Targaryens sense could be a valid answer. This was years ago and I basically dismissed it because Sphinxes didnt seem important to George
I mean with being on set, out of his house, people talking about his work, and just being able to get creative. Might of help compared to forcing himself to write
I can just imagine what will happen when Winds Of Winter finally comes out. It will probably be one of the most desired books in history with EVERYBODY scrambling to get their hands on one.
We need Dreams to conclude the story as well, I don't see that magically coming out anytime soon after Winds. You can only be so optimistic until you move on to something else...
I think the editors won't ask George to move stuff to dream, but they will simply divide the book in two, then either release of both parts on the same day or part 2 is release a few months later
I think saying anything short of 3/4 would be criminal at this point so he just picked an acceptable number. You can see his insides burning though.....
Thanks for tipping us off to Gsteff's post. I'm surprised it got so little attention, these are some pretty huge findings already! The glass candles being able to offer immortality opens up so many possibilities. I wonder if George was planning to have another Bloodraven type reveal, where some mystery character (Quaithe?) is revealed to be somebody ancient from history, kept alive by the magic of the glass candle. Although it seems that glass candles only turned on after the birth of Dany's dragon, so I don't know what the point of the immortality would be, if it just started working at the end of AGOT. I wonder if George abandoned this idea completely or whether he's still considering to reveal it later on. It's also super interesting to consider that Jaqen, a follower of the House of Black and White, was interested in an artifact that grants immortality. Doesn't that go against the core tenet of his whole religion? Really interesting finding all around by Gsteff. Looking forward to his future posts!
@@Khaozizking If we go by the passage in the text, then the consciousnesses previously stored in the candles would have been lost after the flames died out. Similarly to when a weirwood tree is cut down, I presume. Although it's interesting to consider what happened to all those souls previously stored in the glass candles, especially with a lot of talk of ghosts in the book series.
I can think of 2 possibilities with this: first that they are burning because the others are awakening. Second that rhaegar is still alive in some sad and horrifying way and will be consumed by euron
"The point is: If we can store music on a compact disc, why can't we store a man's intelligence and personality on one? So I have the engineers figuring that out now."
when i was studying at my colledge, they have texts from before the reconquista, and a investigator came and they had him watched with gloves and a glass separation while we were all there touching the books with our bare hands
Glass candles are very similar to the Palantir stones in Lord of the Rings. Both are magical rwlics of a lost age that have not been used for their stated purpose in centuries, can be used to communicate long distances, and can be used to manipulate the minds of people on the other end of them (think pippin).
Except for palantir need another one glass candles can seemingly target anyone although perhaps marwin sees less than Sauron who essentially downloads everything pippin knows
I don't think the Palantiri had any inherent ability to manipulate the minds of people. Magic in Tolkein is essentially influence based, the more 'magically powerful' a being, the greater their ability to influence the music of the Ainur. Sauron as a Maia has a great capacity for influencing the world, as such he is able to exert that through the Palantir which is essentially just a communication device for anyone else. Glass candles on the other hand do appear to have an inherent ability to tap into the subconscious of other people.
Hey Preston, have you heard of the unreleased Russian version of Brienne meets Stoneheart? It has signifcant changes from the published material. It's very illuminating.
@@unknownsoldier452 For the sake of Seven, this isn’t canon, WTF? Where from did they even get this material in the first place? I’ve read the Russian variant, are there more changes?
Wait, from Rosie's perspective do we have confirmation that she had a deal or some arrangement with Jaqen to manipulate Pate to steal all that stuff for him?
Wow, just started listening. This kind of access, even if the author is aware and saves this stuff, usually you can't do this till they're dead and their kids need cash. This is kind of amazing.
The candles weren't thousands of years, probably hundreds because they're a Valaryan (I know it's the wrong spelling) but I'm assuming they used then in Old Valaria....
Just in case anyone ever hates on these kind of rwmbly videos, wanted to say I love them. Particularly the part where Preston pulls patterns from George's back catalogue!
GRRM was saying when he released "Rise of the Dragon" that a threw away a whole chapter recently cause he wasn't satisfied with it. He is too much a perfectionist and love this Universe so much, it will never end. He always wants it to be better and better.
Reminds me of Varys’ account of hearing a voice from the flames after getting cut (was this show only?) he really wants to know who tf was talking and from where. Possibly related to some endless person living through a glass candle
That was the voice of the Great Other / Night King / 3 Eyed Crow / Bran. Varis means "crow" and dreams are the whisperings of the Great Other, and Varys still hears the voice every night in his sleep.
@@PwnZombie Clash of Kings Tyrion X "Yet I still dream of that night, my lord. Not of the sorcerer, nor his blade, nor even the way my manhood shriveled as it burned. I dream of the voice. The voice from the flames. Was it a god, a demon, some conjurer's trick? I could not tell you, and I know all the tricks. All I can say for a certainty is that he called it, and it answered, and since that day I have hated magic and all those who practice it. If Lord Stannis is one such, I mean to see him dead."
If we assume you were right with your video back in June, that’s about 9% added to TWOW in 4 months. With 25% remaining, that’d probably have him wrapping up in just over 11 months at this pace. Optimistic estimate would have us at a Holiday 2023 release date, although that doesn’t account too conservatively for editing/publishing time. Also it assumes GRRM keeps this pace going, which seems less than likely to me considering I’m sure he’ll be involved with HotD S2 pre-production (and other spin-offs as well) at an increasing rate. Maybe we see it finished and released besides HotD S2? His publishers in the past have seemed interested in launching besides GoT seasons, so that would make sense to me as well as including additional time for any slow-downs
Yeah and I'm cautiously optimistic he will accelerate his writing pace as he gets closer. I tend to think PJ was write that he fucked around for a few years before attempting to get to work around 2015.
2023 is also my hope (only reason is i doubled the wait from feast to dance so 12 years.) But even with the flawless math, i felt that way about 2016, 2017, and 2019 so im not gonna be devastated when it doesnt come out.
When he said he's 75% done he also reiterated that he doesn't write chapter by chapter as we read it in the end product, but more a few chapters of each POV character at a time and so he said he's completely done w a couple of the POV characters. Meaning of the remaining 25% that could include 3 or 4 bran chapters which will take him ages 🤣
At this point why he has ever even included magical creatures in his plot beyond the bare minimum🤣 “What was the Aragorn’s tax policy?” type of questions now bite him back, because he can’t answer anymore on the questions circa: “What language do the weirwoods speak?”
I've always questioned if Aemon had a glass candle and somehow he gave it to Jon, which is why he goes downhill almost immediately leaving the wall. Or if the wall is connected to the glass candles and that's what was keeping him alive. 🤷♀️
Well at the wall he's safe and warm and fed all day. Have you seen a super elderly person travel? A long car ride isn't good so I'd imagine a boat ride across a stormy sea would definitely do the trick for his decline
Nice idea but I disagree. Ice preserves, fire consumes. If we put aside normal problems someone Aemon's age would have with travelling then he left the cold and the magic of the wall that was preserving him. Just an idea 🤷🏼♀️
@@umwha if it's something he couldn't take makes sense, but he left a lot of specific stuff with Jon maybe it's actually one of those things. There was a lot of attention to myrish lens tubes maybe they're connected
Just an addition here: The three parts of the story, War of the 5 kings, Daenerys' Invasion/civil War and The Others conclusion don't need to be all of similar length. The War of the 5 Kings is now over and we are entering into the second part. I think the whole TWoW and half of ADoS will be about The Targaryen stuff and the second half (around 700 pages) will focus on The Others and the whole Lovecraftian part of the story. it does not mean thta we won't get parts of one into the other obviously but I think this is the general idea.
I think a huge clue to the maesters just happened.. in the last scene at stormsend.. it was almost like the maester left out half of what was in the letter and only send the part that would make up the lords mind in their favor.. maester are like bishops in Europe in the Middle Ages..
@PrestonJacobs like with Storm-born (Daenerys is all three possibilities), why assume “or”?… Jaqen is probably looking for a Bell, Book, AND a Candle, or at least a metaphorical equivalent.
random half-baked theory - with this idea that glass candles mark whether someone's dead, and the Faceless Men involvement... Gotta wonder if the Faceless Men have similar candles, that don't extend life, but just mark when its extinguished? Otherwise gotta wonder, especially if the Faceless Men are going after someone super elusive like Bloodraven, how they know the person is still alive?
Hopefully George leaves behind enough notes and a talented enough author can come by to finish the 7th book. Like what happened with the Wheel of Time and Brandon Sanderson finishing it up. Ironically it would keep him - metaphorically through his thoughts and knowledge - alive after his death like the Citadel.
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 Wow, really? I mean its his work he can do what he wants with it, but that would be sad if he withheld an ending for the series just because he doesn't get to write it.
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 haven't finished Wheel yet I'm up to book 7 but I've read all the Stormlight Archive books and Sanderson kicks ass so I'm excited to see how he finished it
So when will he be finished in 5 years? I know he hates when fans say this but will he even be alive by then. He’s old now, back in 2012 he was old and fans were saying it then, but now I am genuinely beginning to believe he cannot finish it
The 5 year gap would have worked for characters like Jon, Dany, and Arya; but it would have completely screwed over characters like Brienne, Cersei, Theon, and Tyrion. Since they would have been standing around not doing anything for 5 years.
@@nunouno001 Plot twist: Brienne completes the tour of Westeros and now knows and has useful contacts everywhere. Cersei now knows every secret passage of the Red Keep, has accumulated a monstrous amount of wildfire stash and is now immune to all kinds of poison. Theon now knows a big deal of the Great Lords' secrets from the North and beyond, as well as discovering every secret of Winterfell. Tyrion finally finds out where the whores go.
Hey Preston, this is unrelated to the video, but what do you think about the possibility of White Walkers having multiple competing or opposing factions? I have no proof nor hint of this, it's just a thought that came to my mind while watching your video on Qarth factions. Maybe something you can incorporate in the fan fiction project.
So if he is about 75% done and it took 11 years, there's at least 3 or more years to wait, and that's without counting time lost for developing shows nobody asked for about a single line of lore taken from an appendix. I accepted I would never get to read the end of the story when he didn't finish after a year long lockdown. Everytime I hear news about 10.000 ships, Yi Ti, the 9 voyages or some other half baked spinoff I cringe. Gimme TWOW and the next D&E story!
Pretty sure i know how those works. I'm just surprised they allow people to go through George's things. technically they're his manuscripts and such and I figured they'd be under lock and key and most people wouldn't be allowed to touch them to such an extent. Come on now, if you're going to insult me use some common sense first.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview what I meant is that items in archives/libraries are usually easy to access (once you sign up). I visit the British Library and other archives frequently, and you can get access to items hundreds of years old very quickly (which as much as I like a Song of Ice and Fire, I’d argue are easily as valuable). You’re not allowed drinks/food etc in the reading room and you can only bring a pencil to prevent damage - the gloves thing is a bit a myth (I was taught they can do more damage, as they make you less sensitive to the fragility of the pages). Sorry to be a dick - just thought it sounded super obvious what Preston was saying - probs my own bias. Keep the great content coming! I guess in response to your reply, if he wanted them under lock and key, why wouldn’t he just keep hold of them?
@@JamesSmith-iw6yc No clue bro. No clue. But I'm well aware of how messy and gross and clumsy people are and am still surprised they aren't under lock and key.
Anyone else fine with the story never being finished? The world is so rich and interesting already and the multitude of different theories and speculations only enrich it more for me. I enjoy the mystery left in the story, not knowing exactly how everything will unfold. In a way it kind of adds to what makes the story feel so real, as though we’re in the same present as the characters- not knowing what the future holds. Also really enjoy your guys discussions :)
Monstrous human dragon hybrids make an appearance in Elden Ring, in several forms. Magma Wyrms in that game, are the transformed bodies of devotees of Dragon Communion. This cult is based on the consumption of dragon hearts, which confers powers upon the participants, but eventually overcomes those who go to far. Also, dragonkin soldiers are failed attempts to use silver-tear mimicry, to create beings with features of humans and dragons. These experiments were done in ancient times by the Nox, a civilization fallen victim to the ire of a supposed god.
@@frankcommatobe8009 George wrote much more than names. He wrote and created the entire setting and the foundations of the lore. The relationship between George's work for elden ring and the finished game, is similar to the relationship between a DnD setting's lore as written in a book, then that same setting in actual play as interpreted by the DM.
I’m dubious how much of the game’s lore George was even involved with. He never seems to talk in any kind of specifics when talking about ER. I think he probably just handed Miyazaki a few pages of rough lore and that was enough to put his name on the box.
@@GiordanoBruno42 Unfortunately I wouldn't put much importance on the dragon hybrids in Elden Ring. While it's possible that may have come from GRRM, it's also possible it didn't or that it came about from Miyazaki's talks with GRRM. Every single Souls game has included human-dragon hybrids. It's a staple of the series that humans seek to make themselves into dragons in an attempt to become immortal or gain power. Elden Ring's Dragonkin and Dragon Communion are just an iteration of that idea.
Surprised you didn't mention how the pie-shaped wedges in the dome is exactly the same description as the cover over the landing pad on the Ark in Tuf Voyaging
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin about 15:40 in this video you start talking about the citadel's library and this - 'There was a moment of endless suspense after Tuf had lasered the docking request. A thin crack appeared in the middle of the great black dome, and then another, at cross angles to the first. Then a third, a fourth, more and still more. The dome split into a hundred narrow pie-shaped wedges, which receded into the hull of the Ark.' - is the passage from The Plague Star page 19 of that story or 103 overall in the Thousand Worlds (the document you provided for the book club). It's literally just that they're pie-shaped wedges in a dome, so it's probably nothing, but it seems weirdly specific to have in the citadel, especially in the room in which they learn about the planets.
The glass candles giving a form of immortality could tie in with a lot of Quaithe theories. If she does have a glass candle like many have theorized, it means she could be someone who is supposed to be dead, like Shiera Seastar or Alyssa Farman. I mean it’s not canon, but it could be an idea George had at one point
Imagine Georgey boy releases the next two books tomorrow fully completed as a surprise. Everyone with their bets on if (blank) would come out before the next book would be ruined.
Pretty sure his editor was like "George, you've got a complicated conspiracy centred in Dorne, another complicated web of deceit in the north around Stannis, a complicated plot in the Vale with Littlefinger & Sansa, a complicated mystical plot with Bran & Jon, another complicated mystical plot with Euron, several complicated plots & plots within plots in Mereen, that whole thing with Stoneheart and lastly the small matter of a possible sixth Blackfyre rebellion in the Stormlands... bruh are we absolutely sure the Maesters need to be shifty too ?"
"We got a couple more weddings too... heuh heuh heuh heuh. Don't forget another book about a prequel that will reveal everything! Then Elden Ring 2 comes out! HOTD will have all the characters time jump again to the next 4 Blackfyre rebellions then it will finally reach GOT as it concludes with Roberts rebellions, there might be one more conspiracy about the Baratheons and the Storm God but I can't say too much now."
Just because Marwyn said that the maesters are shifty does not mean that they truly are. George likes to be unpredictable, so when Marwyn says that the maesters killed the dragons then it‘s not true..
I mean, also gotta admit that during a civil war, chaos ensues. It's natural there would be dozens of plots all over the country. Doesn't mean the author needs to write about all of them and for us to follow. You can even have a character say at some meeting table "oh yes, lord X stopped a plot by the lords of Y to do Z" and there - you world builided that tons of chaotic shit its happening.
🤣 goddamn you just reminded me this shit is fucking crazy indeed i love it
@@cancerino666 George fails at that which is why he is having trouble now. Reading A Feast For Crows years ago was so tough that its the only book that I don't think I'll ever re-read from the series. He doesn't know how to not write about unnecessary stuff. He peaked with A Storm of Swords. After that there was too much filler POVs for no reason.
I think its safe to say that the Advanced Reader's Copy of Winds of Winter will probably be one of the most valuable books ever seen.
nope
Most of the fans of the show(s) haven't even read the first five books. Yes, there will be hype, but it won't be completely off-the-charts-crazy.
@@DrZaius3141 ARC for AGoT goes for $2500+ right now in 2022 even after it's been published for nearly 3 decades.
I'm sure someone will pay a small fortune to get it for twow, whether it's to read it prior to publish, to compare if there are any changes, or just to have it for a collection 🤷🏼♂️
But as I write this I realize there are some pretty valuable books out there... "it will be one of the most" is definitely a stretch.
@@why97359 I was lucky enough to have a sister who was into the series before the TV Shows. She got me into them around 2009 when the series was announced. I got some used first editions at a local book store (not realizing what they’d be worth) at the very least, I’ve seen these books go for like $150 a pop… not bad considering I paid like $15 per book.
That's a stretch
Update!
9months later, it is now 76% done.
More like 75.5%. GRRM loves to round up.
@@ElBombastico883 70% done, but good news is he is now already 5% done with Dream! No way that takes as long as Winds right?
George saying he's 75% done, but has to go back to rewrite, sounds like the story of the guy painting a huge bridge, and by the time he is done he already needs to repaint the whole bridge again becaus the paint at the far end decayed already.
That’s actually probably referencing a saying “painting the forth bridge” which was a common saying in the UK due to the perpetual task of painting the Forth Rail Bridge.
@@mrgaudy1954 It's just the "Forth Bridge." You don't need to clarify unless you're talking about the much smaller road bridge - which would be "The Forth Road Bridge"
The rail bridge is so large by comparison its simply just called "The Forth Bridge"
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 I’m aware but that’s a very odd thing to nitpick on.
@@mrgaudy1954 Not really.
Before I begin, if you knew you wouldn't have made the mistake.
But in any case, it's not "nit-picky" to those that live there.
It's like confusing Washington State with DC; like conflating Comanche with Iriquois or Blackfoot.
To other people I'm sure it's all the same. But I don't think a Bangladeshi would think I were being "nit-picky" if you called you out for naming them Indian...
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 Actually people from the area use Forth Bridge and Forth Rail Bridge interchangeably, as well as "rail bridge" and "road bridge" for the same purpose. They also aren't generally absolute weirdos who clutch their pearls over something like this, so they would consider you a nit-picker. As for equating this to calling Bangladeshis Indian, that is an absolutely clownish comparison. I'm not sure if you think this tirade makes you seem profound or intelligent but you're not really hitting the mark.
@Preston Jacobs if/when Winds finally comes out would you consider doing a series recapping/highlighting the state of the world at the start of the book. It's been forever and I would definitely need a refresher
Whenever a new theory comes out I realize that I have no idea about half of what it's referring to.
This would be great book 4 and 5 were hard for me to focus on. I’d love it now so I could enjoy Preston’s fan fiction more
Definitely for 4. Hardest book to stay focused on for sure. Everytime I start a reread I get to 4 and slow way wasaay down
@@DC-ml6cv you should try the boiled leather version for the last 2 books. Makes it way better imo
Just listen to the entire series it’s on UA-cam for free
But Preston! The book can't be 75% done yet! We've only written around 5 chapters!
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6 chapters is all you get boyo🤡
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I spent 6 years at A&M not knowing who George Martin was, only to move across the country and learn that treasure trove was there the whole time. Ugh.
What. When was this? It’s been like 13 years since I discovered his books.
As a University Librarian I can confirm that as long as you fill out all the forms yes we will let you view any material that the university contains. If it’s fragile or expensive we may ask you to wear gloves, be supervised or have a trained person display it for you. But the personal effects/writings of GRRM you should be able to consult that within the assigned room and return it when you’re finished. The contents won’t be laminated or anything, the contents will be examined and be catalogued so that the material can be searched for in the system but individual boxes won’t have their contents described because that’s not the detail that libraries go into. You don’t be able to make copies or any sort but you can make notes
As someone who used to work (as a student) in the Ray Bradbury papers section of IU, keeping the papers how they were delivered is exactly how most historical documents are kept in a university library. That being said they’ve likely already digitized the texts before making them available for research
Historian/Archivist here. Came here to say this.
Most of the time we will actually remove lamination/plastic because it will damage the paper as it deteriorates. This goes for stuff like paper clips and rubber bands as well. As an aside, depending on the type of paper the shelf life of the originals may vary considerably. Modern printing uses a lot more chemicals that cause the paper to deteriorate faster because it's cheap, and most things are digitized. We have paper/vellum records going as far back as the 1200's, but some TV manuscripts from the late 2010's are already wasting away.
10 months later it's 75.4444444444456% done.
Now the book is 75.9664% done
I think GRRM losing confidence over the glass candle has to do with it being too close to a crystal ball/palantir and the Weirwood Net is much more removed from that on the surface, but still accomplished the long range communications.
@@alexanderguerrero347 The white tree & seven stars
I think he was losing confidence in the whole concept of the prologue, not the candle itself.
@@michaelhenry3234 But wheres the fun in that? Does George strike you as the type to restrict his stories? The opposite is true, otherwise we would have WOW, ADOS, 6 new Dunk and Egg books, and lord knows what else. Sure he has limits, but they're not the same limits us mere mortals live by.
@@williamhermann6635 I'm saying he was struggling with making that choice. His stories are expansive, yes, but he's constantly told us how much trouble he has with Bran's POV in no small part because his story is magical and he wants to be careful with how he presents magic. If he suddenly had the idea to put in a magical conspiracy and sorcerous manipulators sometime during the writing of AFFC, that'd be a huge decision to make that could drastically affect the story going forward. Of course he'd want to be careful with the idea and might lose confidence in it. But we did get glass candles, so it's a possibility that he did not drop the idea. Or it could've gone the way of the Shrouded Lord, who knows.
@@alexanderguerrero347 the Tyrells honestly remind me of the Stewards in LOTR
The object in the citadel and opening sequence in the show that you guys compare with the big lamp mentioned in the prologue is an armillary sphere, a real astronomical instrument used in medieval times, the shows designers couldve definitely chosen to include that independently of any input from George.
Doubtful. Virtually all of their independent ideas were trash. I dont believe for a second they could think of something so historical and cool.
@@williamhermann6635 Don't underestimate concept artists
@williamhermann6635 Yes, but the sort of people who design sets and put in details like that in concept art are usually much more creative people.
I think there is an asymptotic relationship developing between the writing of the book and time. Where everytime GRRM gives an update, he is a certain amount done, but never fully done whilst approaching 100% towards infinity, but never actually getting there. So in 4 years, he will be 98% done. In 4 more, it'll be 99.5%. Then in 4 more, itll be 99.78%.
How funny would it be if he just fuckin ended the series in WoW. "There's your goddamn book, now leave me to my shows!"
Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet, but they certainly haven’t forgotten about her
It's starting to seem like Martin really wanted pyromancy and glass candles in earlier drafts, but now he's let certain magical concepts evolve over time that don't quite gel with some of his original details.
Back are we and
Are back and we.
Common misconception about the words of House Jaqobys.
@@YggdrasilAudio what?
@@joeyrozic1100 They're: We are probably wrong about half of this.
The thought of the glass candle basically being a flashlight is hysterical.
Grrm is like me. My friends are asking me, how far am I with my writing. I say that in the last year, I completed a good 50% of the book. Meanwhile in reality, I have done jack shit.
Lol of the a massive procrastinator had to start one of the best fantasy series of all time, that’s just our shitty luck,
The worst part about writing is sitting down to write haha
@@Hero_Of_Old One thing that helps me are deadlines. I'm most productive, 12 hours before a deadline. But GRRM is too big, for any editor to give him any deadlines. And he seems to give himself deadlines, promises and restrictions (remember last year when he promised that he will lock himself up in his cabin, and won't come out until he is done?), only to break them all and shrug it off.
@@SaneMillennial he said that New Zealand could lock him up, if he didn’t have Winds of Winter by some convention in 2020. Then the pandemic happened, and HBO spin off series.
I have a side book with prose that's designed for easy writing to deal with this problem. I write it to get into the process of writing, then once I am in the rhythm I switch over to my big project. Worked SUPER well for me, now I always write 3 or 4 pages a day when I used to struggle with one.
Carmine's astonishment at how libraries work made my day 😂
"That's a thing they allow?!"
I remember getting a library card to my State University in highschool feeling like I could find out ANYTHING. Just walking through the stacks was an experience.
This was in the before times, when not even the library computers had full listings and parts of the collection were tracked by card catalog...
Um....I just went to the library yesterday so no? My astonishment is how they allow people to go through George's things. technically they're his manuscripts and such and I figured they'd be under lock and key. Come on now, if you're going to insult me use some common sense first.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview love you carmine. I think they mostly wanted to share an experience from their past, maybe took the wrong segue to get there. Yall are clearly discussing George's manuscript library, and maybe the commenter heard it wrong.
@@Ajbolt89 Lol nah. It's kind of insulting to assume someone doesn't know how a library works. Just me though
Pretty sure a 30 year old man who lived in the USA knows how a library works. I was also surprised George allows people to go through his drafts and such and they're not on display somewhere.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview Carmine, I love your conversations with Preston, and I enjoy your contributions on air and I imagine there's a lot of stuff you do behind the scenes to make it possible too. Thank you!
I didn't mean to come across as critical, if I'd have thought you'd feel insulted I never would have commented.
I think the thing that made me happy was *relating* to your astonishment at discovering something cool that's freely available you were unaware of. It's totally surprising to me that George would donate that kind of stuff, it's less surprising to me we can access it now that the library owns it, but it is still an amazing thing. I misread what you were reacting to. Please accept my apology for wading into the conversation inartfully.
I am convinced that George say your video and said to himself: "that seems like an okay number to state in my next interview, I will use that"
"Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back IN!"
-Michael Corleone
THE GODFATHER 3
Yes But Silvio Dante did it better
I’m telling you, T. This guy Beric has come back 6 times from this Azor Ahai fire wizard then breathes life into this dead broad and that’s the last time. What an arc!
George is so used to making us love his characters and then killing them that now he is trying it with the books.
I did something similar at another university library. There’s a huge collection of documents that the library had on this event I was researching, and I just had to let them know I was stopping by and they let me look through whatever I wanted. I couldn’t take anything out of the library - that was the only rule - but it was super handy and they had hundreds of items to looks through.
Surprised you didn't bring up the Undying comparison. They seem to live forever both as a hive-mind and physically (albeit as blue shrivelled zombies).
“Grab a torch and approach the flame. Dip it in and get fire. This is part of the ritual at Tribal Council, because in this game, fire represents your life; when your fire's gone, so are you.”
This is a catchphrase from Survivor
🤘😂
“Rewriting early chapters” i had a frustration laugh followed by my hand going down through my entire face when i heard that
So I once found this academic paper on the riddle of the sphinx and it said that in early versions the sphinx's question was much simpler: "What goes on 2 legs and 4?"... Oedipus of course answers "Man" but apparently that's the wrong answer and the actual answer is "An Agrarian Culture" referencing humans and their cattle. It occurred to me that "Dragon" in the Targaryens sense could be a valid answer. This was years ago and I basically dismissed it because Sphinxes didnt seem important to George
Texas AM is the actual Citadel now.
The glass candles always remind me of the Palantiri from Tolkien.
There's an obvious echo.
We also have Galadriel's mirror.
What? 75% done? Sounds too good to be true.....I'm not going to let this get me hopeful...... Winds sounds like a prophecy at this point.
That means only like, 3 more years!!!
I mean with being on set, out of his house, people talking about his work, and just being able to get creative. Might of help compared to forcing himself to write
Agree
And as we know prophecy can be misinterpreted ,maybe it's actually a metaphor for his age and we actually only getting it in 25 years
Prophecy is a sword without a hilt.
I can just imagine what will happen when Winds Of Winter finally comes out. It will probably be one of the most desired books in history with EVERYBODY scrambling to get their hands on one.
I still don't think we'll ever have to worry about that
I already gave money to a robot that will buy one for me as soon as it becomes live for 20% premium
We need Dreams to conclude the story as well, I don't see that magically coming out anytime soon after Winds. You can only be so optimistic until you move on to something else...
@Nick Brittlebank if he announces that the book will come out the next year for instance
Many people intrest will be bought back again.
@Nick Brittlebank idk, I heard that kind of argument before HotD and look how many people jumped back into that
Great news! At this pace we'll have A Dream of Spring in by Spring 2048 while George is still a strapping young lad of 99 summers.
Carmine, you want Preston to abandon his children to go search a library in Texas??!! Babies can't eat lemongates!
I think the editors won't ask George to move stuff to dream, but they will simply divide the book in two, then either release of both parts on the same day or part 2 is release a few months later
I think two books
I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM has written, lost, and forgot enough material to finish the ASOIAF series a couple times over already.
I think saying anything short of 3/4 would be criminal at this point so he just picked an acceptable number. You can see his insides burning though.....
Well, its not dropping any time soon, but silver lining: Your video estimating how much George had finished was pretty much spot on.
What Sam sees in the citadel is the astrolabe that zips around and zooms in and out on the map in the opening credits
I think it's interesting how Carmine has essentially become Preston's agent.
Autographs are $100 but if you buy 2 you get the 3rd one 5% off
It sounds like George wanted to retcon-in the idea that one can skinchange light, probably for some Azor Ahai stuff.
skinchange light?
@@7PlayingWithFire7 Right, like Shadowbabies or some such.
Thanks for tipping us off to Gsteff's post. I'm surprised it got so little attention, these are some pretty huge findings already! The glass candles being able to offer immortality opens up so many possibilities. I wonder if George was planning to have another Bloodraven type reveal, where some mystery character (Quaithe?) is revealed to be somebody ancient from history, kept alive by the magic of the glass candle. Although it seems that glass candles only turned on after the birth of Dany's dragon, so I don't know what the point of the immortality would be, if it just started working at the end of AGOT. I wonder if George abandoned this idea completely or whether he's still considering to reveal it later on. It's also super interesting to consider that Jaqen, a follower of the House of Black and White, was interested in an artifact that grants immortality. Doesn't that go against the core tenet of his whole religion? Really interesting finding all around by Gsteff. Looking forward to his future posts!
Reading your comment and I was thinking when the candles start burning again are whatever consciousness stored in the candles waking up?
@@Khaozizking If we go by the passage in the text, then the consciousnesses previously stored in the candles would have been lost after the flames died out. Similarly to when a weirwood tree is cut down, I presume. Although it's interesting to consider what happened to all those souls previously stored in the glass candles, especially with a lot of talk of ghosts in the book series.
House of black of white may wish to eliminate glass candles and anyone using them if they cheat death.
Maybe he wants to find it so he can destroy it?
I can think of 2 possibilities with this: first that they are burning because the others are awakening. Second that rhaegar is still alive in some sad and horrifying way and will be consumed by euron
2024 is the year of dragon. Maybe the book will come out this year.
"The point is: If we can store music on a compact disc, why can't we store a man's intelligence and personality on one? So I have the engineers figuring that out now."
when i was studying at my colledge, they have texts from before the reconquista, and a investigator came and they had him watched with gloves and a glass separation while we were all there touching the books with our bare hands
So we've got another 4 years to wait then.........
Glass candles are very similar to the Palantir stones in Lord of the Rings. Both are magical rwlics of a lost age that have not been used for their stated purpose in centuries, can be used to communicate long distances, and can be used to manipulate the minds of people on the other end of them (think pippin).
That’s what I was going to say. Plus one.
Think Pippin is an oxymoron
Except for palantir need another one glass candles can seemingly target anyone although perhaps marwin sees less than Sauron who essentially downloads everything pippin knows
I don't think the Palantiri had any inherent ability to manipulate the minds of people. Magic in Tolkein is essentially influence based, the more 'magically powerful' a being, the greater their ability to influence the music of the Ainur. Sauron as a Maia has a great capacity for influencing the world, as such he is able to exert that through the Palantir which is essentially just a communication device for anyone else. Glass candles on the other hand do appear to have an inherent ability to tap into the subconscious of other people.
Hey Preston, have you heard of the unreleased Russian version of Brienne meets Stoneheart? It has signifcant changes from the published material. It's very illuminating.
That sounds very interesting...will have to try and find that (I hope it's not in Russian).
@@Gekokujo76 Search this ''GRRM's draft of the last two Brienne chapters recovered from Russian translation''
@@unknownsoldier452 For the sake of Seven, this isn’t canon, WTF? Where from did they even get this material in the first place? I’ve read the Russian variant, are there more changes?
A: There's a library with all the untold secrets of ASOIAF.
B: Awesome! Let's go now!
A: It's in College Station, Texas.
B: ..Nah I'm alright.
Wait, from Rosie's perspective do we have confirmation that she had a deal or some arrangement with Jaqen to manipulate Pate to steal all that stuff for him?
_OR_ Rosie is actually [the character readers would know as] Jaqen H’.
@@Ancor_Vantian 😂
Probably the only channel which gives the most accurate assessment of when (if 🤔 ) we will see winds of winter book .
If we can download George into a memory chip that lasts forever we might actually get a Winds of Winter some day.
If only.
Might as well just stick him in the holodeck and with time we might get winds.
Gotta upload him to an Elon Musk Nueralink
@@ricebix That would def guarantee we never get Winds 💀
The series will be finished by Brandon Sanderson.
Wow, just started listening. This kind of access, even if the author is aware and saves this stuff, usually you can't do this till they're dead and their kids need cash. This is kind of amazing.
I hope there will be 2 books. Instead of them cutting stuff from Winds of Winter
I just wish George would do volumes with winds at this point
The candles weren't thousands of years, probably hundreds because they're a Valaryan (I know it's the wrong spelling) but I'm assuming they used then in Old Valaria....
Libraries are amazing, especially when they have things like these manuscripts in them.
wow, such an interesting revelation. Would you mind explaining why George left the boxes there? How they ended there?
Rosi to Pat: „Is this a Glascandle down there in your pants or are you just happy to see me?“
Just in case anyone ever hates on these kind of rwmbly videos, wanted to say I love them. Particularly the part where Preston pulls patterns from George's back catalogue!
GRRM was saying when he released "Rise of the Dragon" that a threw away a whole chapter recently cause he wasn't satisfied with it. He is too much a perfectionist and love this Universe so much, it will never end. He always wants it to be better and better.
Reminds me of Varys’ account of hearing a voice from the flames after getting cut (was this show only?) he really wants to know who tf was talking and from where. Possibly related to some endless person living through a glass candle
That was the voice of the Great Other / Night King / 3 Eyed Crow / Bran. Varis means "crow" and dreams are the whisperings of the Great Other, and Varys still hears the voice every night in his sleep.
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@@PwnZombie Clash of Kings Tyrion X
"Yet I still dream of that night, my lord. Not of the sorcerer, nor his blade, nor even the way my manhood shriveled as it burned. I dream of the voice. The voice from the flames. Was it a god, a demon, some conjurer's trick? I could not tell you, and I know all the tricks. All I can say for a certainty is that he called it, and it answered, and since that day I have hated magic and all those who practice it. If Lord Stannis is one such, I mean to see him dead."
Hurrah for the Off Season Asoiaf Content
If we assume you were right with your video back in June, that’s about 9% added to TWOW in 4 months. With 25% remaining, that’d probably have him wrapping up in just over 11 months at this pace.
Optimistic estimate would have us at a Holiday 2023 release date, although that doesn’t account too conservatively for editing/publishing time. Also it assumes GRRM keeps this pace going, which seems less than likely to me considering I’m sure he’ll be involved with HotD S2 pre-production (and other spin-offs as well) at an increasing rate.
Maybe we see it finished and released besides HotD S2? His publishers in the past have seemed interested in launching besides GoT seasons, so that would make sense to me as well as including additional time for any slow-downs
Yeah and I'm cautiously optimistic he will accelerate his writing pace as he gets closer. I tend to think PJ was write that he fucked around for a few years before attempting to get to work around 2015.
2023 is also my hope (only reason is i doubled the wait from feast to dance so 12 years.) But even with the flawless math, i felt that way about 2016, 2017, and 2019 so im not gonna be devastated when it doesnt come out.
i didn't think i'd ever see someone who can still make optimistic anythings towards Winds release
@@e22ddie46 he also says he writes faster when an ending comes into view
If winds comes out soon it will be one of the books of all time
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Hope you do fly there and check these boxes! Seems like great video material, make it even a vlog or something and later a more analytical video.
When he said he's 75% done he also reiterated that he doesn't write chapter by chapter as we read it in the end product, but more a few chapters of each POV character at a time and so he said he's completely done w a couple of the POV characters. Meaning of the remaining 25% that could include 3 or 4 bran chapters which will take him ages 🤣
At this point why he has ever even included magical creatures in his plot beyond the bare minimum🤣 “What was the Aragorn’s tax policy?” type of questions now bite him back, because he can’t answer anymore on the questions circa: “What language do the weirwoods speak?”
@@kosatochcaThey speak tree
Make its 2 volumes released at once . Vol1: the winds, vol2: of winter
I've always questioned if Aemon had a glass candle and somehow he gave it to Jon, which is why he goes downhill almost immediately leaving the wall. Or if the wall is connected to the glass candles and that's what was keeping him alive. 🤷♀️
Well at the wall he's safe and warm and fed all day. Have you seen a super elderly person travel? A long car ride isn't good so I'd imagine a boat ride across a stormy sea would definitely do the trick for his decline
Nice idea but I disagree. Ice preserves, fire consumes. If we put aside normal problems someone Aemon's age would have with travelling then he left the cold and the magic of the wall that was preserving him. Just an idea 🤷🏼♀️
@@umwha if it's something he couldn't take makes sense, but he left a lot of specific stuff with Jon maybe it's actually one of those things. There was a lot of attention to myrish lens tubes maybe they're connected
@@AutumnsFlameDances Following that logic, if Aemon had moved into one of the ice cells, he’d live even longer!
@@Bobbybobwat alright that give a chuckle that I didn’t know I needed, have a like
Just an addition here:
The three parts of the story, War of the 5 kings, Daenerys' Invasion/civil War and The Others conclusion don't need to be all of similar length. The War of the 5 Kings is now over and we are entering into the second part. I think the whole TWoW and half of ADoS will be about The Targaryen stuff and the second half (around 700 pages) will focus on The Others and the whole Lovecraftian part of the story. it does not mean thta we won't get parts of one into the other obviously but I think this is the general idea.
I think a huge clue to the maesters just happened.. in the last scene at stormsend.. it was almost like the maester left out half of what was in the letter and only send the part that would make up the lords mind in their favor.. maester are like bishops in Europe in the Middle Ages..
Do we know if he actually left anything out of the message?
@PrestonJacobs like with Storm-born (Daenerys is all three possibilities), why assume “or”?… Jaqen is probably looking for a Bell, Book, AND a Candle, or at least a metaphorical equivalent.
My friend from high school is doing her doctorate at Texas A&M …… might have to send her on a mission for me lol
Keep us informed lmao
22:34 I’m blown away that the Fanfic managed to parallel George so well
Damn!!
I was just looking at the other video, and waiting if there would be any new update.
Then this...
random half-baked theory - with this idea that glass candles mark whether someone's dead, and the Faceless Men involvement...
Gotta wonder if the Faceless Men have similar candles, that don't extend life, but just mark when its extinguished? Otherwise gotta wonder, especially if the Faceless Men are going after someone super elusive like Bloodraven, how they know the person is still alive?
Hopefully George leaves behind enough notes and a talented enough author can come by to finish the 7th book. Like what happened with the Wheel of Time and Brandon Sanderson finishing it up. Ironically it would keep him - metaphorically through his thoughts and knowledge - alive after his death like the Citadel.
It's exactly because of the example you gave that he's left instructions to burn all his notes
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 Wow, really? I mean its his work he can do what he wants with it, but that would be sad if he withheld an ending for the series just because he doesn't get to write it.
@@thedanielhicks He seen what happened with Wheel of Time and so would prefer it remain incomplete rather than be "butchered" by someone else
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 He thinks it was butchered?
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 haven't finished Wheel yet I'm up to book 7 but I've read all the Stormlight Archive books and Sanderson kicks ass so I'm excited to see how he finished it
Ive heard a crazy yet interesting theory that Shae was Sarella Sand! I don't believe it however. But it is interesting
Good thing I’m rereading the books
does anyone know where i can watch the whole GRRM interview livestream? i cant seem to find it
When Winds release you should go through each theory and explain what was correct and what was wrong and future implications
I'd love some maester conspiracy talk
So when will he be finished in 5 years? I know he hates when fans say this but will he even be alive by then. He’s old now, back in 2012 he was old and fans were saying it then, but now I am genuinely beginning to believe he cannot finish it
Wow a couple years and 12 versions on a prologue this poor tortured genius that’s rough
George should've done the 5 year gap.
For real looks like he's down bad now
Yeah would’ve aged up characters which is much needed. Also made the dragons bigger
The 5 year gap would have worked for characters like Jon, Dany, and Arya; but it would have completely screwed over characters like Brienne, Cersei, Theon, and Tyrion. Since they would have been standing around not doing anything for 5 years.
@@nunouno001
Plot twist: Brienne completes the tour of Westeros and now knows and has useful contacts everywhere.
Cersei now knows every secret passage of the Red Keep, has accumulated a monstrous amount of wildfire stash and is now immune to all kinds of poison.
Theon now knows a big deal of the Great Lords' secrets from the North and beyond, as well as discovering every secret of Winterfell.
Tyrion finally finds out where the whores go.
The 5 year gap basically requires him to go back and explain everything that happened in the last 5 years.
Winds of Winter will be released, A Dream of Spring will however just be a dream
Hey Preston, this is unrelated to the video, but what do you think about the possibility of White Walkers having multiple competing or opposing factions? I have no proof nor hint of this, it's just a thought that came to my mind while watching your video on Qarth factions. Maybe something you can incorporate in the fan fiction project.
So if he is about 75% done and it took 11 years, there's at least 3 or more years to wait, and that's without counting time lost for developing shows nobody asked for about a single line of lore taken from an appendix. I accepted I would never get to read the end of the story when he didn't finish after a year long lockdown. Everytime I hear news about 10.000 ships, Yi Ti, the 9 voyages or some other half baked spinoff I cringe. Gimme TWOW and the next D&E story!
Carmine not understanding how an archive works :L
Pretty sure i know how those works. I'm just surprised they allow people to go through George's things. technically they're his manuscripts and such and I figured they'd be under lock and key and most people wouldn't be allowed to touch them to such an extent. Come on now, if you're going to insult me use some common sense first.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview what I meant is that items in archives/libraries are usually easy to access (once you sign up). I visit the British Library and other archives frequently, and you can get access to items hundreds of years old very quickly (which as much as I like a Song of Ice and Fire, I’d argue are easily as valuable). You’re not allowed drinks/food etc in the reading room and you can only bring a pencil to prevent damage - the gloves thing is a bit a myth (I was taught they can do more damage, as they make you less sensitive to the fragility of the pages).
Sorry to be a dick - just thought it sounded super obvious what Preston was saying - probs my own bias. Keep the great content coming!
I guess in response to your reply, if he wanted them under lock and key, why wouldn’t he just keep hold of them?
@@JamesSmith-iw6yc No clue bro. No clue. But I'm well aware of how messy and gross and clumsy people are and am still surprised they aren't under lock and key.
Anyone else fine with the story never being finished? The world is so rich and interesting already and the multitude of different theories and speculations only enrich it more for me. I enjoy the mystery left in the story, not knowing exactly how everything will unfold. In a way it kind of adds to what makes the story feel so real, as though we’re in the same present as the characters- not knowing what the future holds.
Also really enjoy your guys discussions :)
No, I need wow
We need at least winds cos the whole story has pretty much lead up to this book
Monstrous human dragon hybrids make an appearance in Elden Ring, in several forms.
Magma Wyrms in that game, are the transformed bodies of devotees of Dragon Communion. This cult is based on the consumption of dragon hearts, which confers powers upon the participants, but eventually overcomes those who go to far.
Also, dragonkin soldiers are failed attempts to use silver-tear mimicry, to create beings with features of humans and dragons.
These experiments were done in ancient times by the Nox, a civilization fallen victim to the ire of a supposed god.
George only came up with names for that game, I don’t think he was involved with concept art or character design
@@frankcommatobe8009 George wrote much more than names.
He wrote and created the entire setting and the foundations of the lore.
The relationship between George's work for elden ring and the finished game, is similar to the relationship between a DnD setting's lore as written in a book, then that same setting in actual play as interpreted by the DM.
Also there is Rykard, who merged with a god-serpent living in a volcano, similar to the fyrewyrms in valyria.
I’m dubious how much of the game’s lore George was even involved with. He never seems to talk in any kind of specifics when talking about ER. I think he probably just handed Miyazaki a few pages of rough lore and that was enough to put his name on the box.
@@GiordanoBruno42 Unfortunately I wouldn't put much importance on the dragon hybrids in Elden Ring. While it's possible that may have come from GRRM, it's also possible it didn't or that it came about from Miyazaki's talks with GRRM. Every single Souls game has included human-dragon hybrids. It's a staple of the series that humans seek to make themselves into dragons in an attempt to become immortal or gain power. Elden Ring's Dragonkin and Dragon Communion are just an iteration of that idea.
I'm calling it right now, we will get winds of winter at the end of next year.
Oh dear.
4124 days since Feast was released. 75% progress. With a bit if maths that's about another 3.7 years to wait.
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Doesn't sound that bad all things considered 🤣
I literally just watched the other video you made about GRRM's process 4 months ago and now I see this on my youtube page lol
It's 2055. George is 75% done with "the Winds of Winter"
Surprised you didn't mention how the pie-shaped wedges in the dome is exactly the same description as the cover over the landing pad on the Ark in Tuf Voyaging
You'll have to direct me to the passage you're thinking of.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin about 15:40 in this video you start talking about the citadel's library and this -
'There was a moment of endless suspense after Tuf had lasered the docking request. A thin crack appeared in the
middle of the great black dome, and then another, at cross angles to the first. Then a third, a fourth, more and still
more. The dome split into a hundred narrow pie-shaped wedges, which receded into the hull of the Ark.'
- is the passage from The Plague Star page 19 of that story or 103 overall in the Thousand Worlds (the document you provided for the book club).
It's literally just that they're pie-shaped wedges in a dome, so it's probably nothing, but it seems weirdly specific to have in the citadel, especially in the room in which they learn about the planets.
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The glass candles giving a form of immortality could tie in with a lot of Quaithe theories. If she does have a glass candle like many have theorized, it means she could be someone who is supposed to be dead, like Shiera Seastar or Alyssa Farman.
I mean it’s not canon, but it could be an idea George had at one point
I cant believe you just used University of Texas and ATM interchangeably.
Imagine Georgey boy releases the next two books tomorrow fully completed as a surprise. Everyone with their bets on if (blank) would come out before the next book would be ruined.
So I take it you don't have any time for the Shae=Sarella theory?