Normans Vs Vikings: Ethnogenesis and Medieval Cultural Construct

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  • @metatronyt
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      I love these types of topics. It reminds me of the great debate about if we sill live in an age of Romans. Why? If the existence and identity of a group are determined by how the people self-identify themselves mixed with how others identify them, then in theory...the Pontic Greeks are still Eastern Romans. They self-identify as Romans, and the Turks identify them as Romans, which raises the question did Rome really end in the 1400s, or is it still alive with the Pontics?

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      @ChristianityExplained Рік тому

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    • @TheMidwesternViking
      @TheMidwesternViking Рік тому

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  • @MaggCona9117
    @MaggCona9117 Рік тому +369

    I learned more from this 13 minute video than I did from 13 years of public school. Thank you Metatron.

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Рік тому +60

      My pleasure thanks for watching

    • @lefantomer
      @lefantomer Рік тому +27

      Great short free lesson on my ancestry!! Thanks Metatron!

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Рік тому +26

      @@lefantomer my very pleasure

    • @erenjaeger1738
      @erenjaeger1738 Рік тому +9

      ​@Metatron it would be awesome if you talked about more mesoamerican

    • @moralityisnotsubjective5
      @moralityisnotsubjective5 Рік тому

      This is often the case I find.

  • @jwell4638
    @jwell4638 Рік тому +273

    This happened repeatedly in Mesopotamia and the surrounding area. When agrarian lowland cities failed and pastoral/mountain tribes invade and take over, they almost invariably adopted the religion and much of the culture of the cities they took.

    • @robo5013
      @robo5013 Рік тому +45

      I read a five volume history of the area written in the 1800's and the author noted that and wondered why they didn't bring their own religion with them. He was talking about the earliest bronze age city states before any large empires had formed. My thought is that at that time gods were local deities. Each city had it's own god and they were almost all agricultural gods. When the newcomers arrived they really couldn't bring their gods with them because they were the gods of the regions where they came from and so they assimilated to the new religions because those gods are what worked in their new homes. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

    • @magister.mortran
      @magister.mortran Рік тому +26

      Correct, and it happened with the Mongols. Some adopted the Chinese culture and religion, others the islamic culture. They had conquered both, China and the Abbasid Caliphate, yet were assimilated into the superior urban cultures in spite of having defeated them.

    • @machal9024
      @machal9024 Рік тому +14

      ​@@robo5013 in deep antiquity, when Summerians had first big cities, greater part of gods were more "god of place". Like a Marduk was a patron of Babilion city. If new ruler of Babilon want live good with gods, he had to give sacrifices for Marduk. Rwligious universalism is fruit later period.

    • @jeffs6081
      @jeffs6081 Рік тому +3

      Ditto the Goths and Franks that conquered old Roman territory.

    • @allengordon6929
      @allengordon6929 Рік тому +2

      The mongols did it a lot too.

  • @marcello7781
    @marcello7781 Рік тому +114

    It's fascinating how far Vikings reached: from Scandinavia to the British Isles, from Normandy to Sicily and Eastern Europe and many other lands. This reminds me of the Phoenicians and the Greeks.

    • @AZ-697
      @AZ-697 Рік тому +25

      Don’t forget Iceland and Vinland!

    • @danichicago9140
      @danichicago9140 Рік тому +6

      Don't forget the first US President.

    • @magister.mortran
      @magister.mortran Рік тому +13

      Don't forget Northern Africa, where Roger II established a Norman kingdom..

    • @321AlterSchwede
      @321AlterSchwede Рік тому +2

      One historian wrote a book about the normans, where he argued the normans had a culturshifting influence like the romans. The normans = people from the dutchy of normandy, but they are not equal to the vikings, founded 4 countrys: 1. Normandy 2. England 3. Sicily 4. Antiochia.

    • @machal9024
      @machal9024 Рік тому +6

      Vikings, Greeks, Phoenicians etc. had one similar point. Malthusian problem. Too many folks and too low local food production. So part of population had few options - migration to other place or be poor or go to raids/trade.

  • @Fnoffen
    @Fnoffen Рік тому +18

    As a Swedish citizen this is relevant to my historical interrest. Keep up the fight against the ridulous feces that happened to you recently. Your loyal fans are behind you all the way!

    • @swissmilitischristilxxii3691
      @swissmilitischristilxxii3691 Рік тому +1

      Always the same people with strange round hats who pull the strings in the shadow.
      Romans and germs tried, both failed miserably.

  • @dreamsforgottenart
    @dreamsforgottenart Рік тому +32

    This video made my day. I'm Norman and I know so little of my history. I've read and watch as many videos as I can find on the Norman's and none of them go into the culture as you've done. I cannot thank you enough.

    • @MultiVaevictis
      @MultiVaevictis Рік тому +2

      Bon courage alors.

    • @dreamsforgottenart
      @dreamsforgottenart Рік тому

      @@MultiVaevictis Toi aussi!

    • @FranceIsPropertyofEngland
      @FranceIsPropertyofEngland 3 місяці тому

      You're not Norman. They went extinct in France after Phillip Augustus conqured the reigon and replaced their nobility like William did to the Anglo-Saxon....ironic n'est-ce pas?

    • @kungpochopedtuna
      @kungpochopedtuna 2 місяці тому +1

      I managed to trace my family back to our ancestor that was the standard bearer for willam in 1066 don't give up 🎉

  • @warlord3327
    @warlord3327 Рік тому +184

    It would be nice to see a comparison between the Anglo-Saxons and the Vikings, considering the fact they came from similar areas.

    • @staceygram5555
      @staceygram5555 Рік тому +48

      The Angles and Jutes who basically founded England together with the Saxons (the word England literally comes from Angleland or 'land of the Angles') both came from Denmark. So it's less 'similar' and more 'same'.

    • @AZ-697
      @AZ-697 Рік тому +1

      Once upon a time all the Germanic Peoples were one before the Great Migration. Modern Icelandic is the closest to the original ancestral Nordic language of modern German, English, Norwegian, Faroese, Swedish, Danish, Dutch, Frisian, Scots, and the extinct East Germanic languages. We’re all extended cousins.

    • @TheWildManEnkidu
      @TheWildManEnkidu Рік тому +41

      @@staceygram5555 Yes exactly. I've noticed many times people put the Norse and so on into a separate camp, and the Anglo-Saxons in another. When they are very much the same. There were only some cultural differences due to Christianity, but the Saxons, Jutes, Angles all were once of the same cloth as any Viking. There was a good video I saw once of two people speaking the languages of those peoples, and they were essentially mutually intelligible, only differing on a few words, phrases. No need for a translator.
      They were all basically cousins, separated by only a few differences.
      We need only look at the Sutton Hoo burial, to see how similar the cultures once were.

    • @fjalarhenriksson
      @fjalarhenriksson Рік тому

      @@TheWildManEnkidu Dont lump those fucking Danes in with the Geats and the Other Swedish tribes. please they are still not our friends even if history has given us peace

    • @fuferito
      @fuferito Рік тому +10

      Not only that, they also shared the same island between them for centuries, between the Aglo-Saxon kingdoms and the Norse Danelaw.

  • @fell9654
    @fell9654 Рік тому +11

    Most people: Happy Mother's Day 😊
    Metatron: Norman Ethnogenesis!

  • @Sanakudou
    @Sanakudou Рік тому +3

    This was genuinely fascinating to learn about, I’ve never really thought about just how much the evolution of languages gives us a deeper and clearer understanding of the cultural shifts that took place throughout history, I would honestly love to see more videos about this!

  • @verde629
    @verde629 Рік тому +1

    It’s very interesting how many kingdoms were kickstarted with Vikings

  • @bubbasbigblast8563
    @bubbasbigblast8563 Рік тому +29

    I'm not really sure how quickly the people being ruled by Normans would also see themselves as Norman, but they would certainly reject non-Christian rulers, because being openly Pagan was practically the same as saying, "I intend to keep selling Christian slaves to anyone who will buy them," which is a concern people to tend to take with deadly seriousness.

    • @robo5013
      @robo5013 Рік тому +7

      One of the conditions of being granted the lands they were given by the French king was they, or at least Rollo and his captains, had to convert.

    • @mw00295
      @mw00295 Рік тому

      huh? Christians were trading slaves as well.

    • @danichicago9140
      @danichicago9140 Рік тому +3

      I don't believe they ever did. The Norman families intermarried well into the US colonial Era. The Tidewater Aristocracy of the Virginia colony were mostly of well established Norman family lines.

    • @antoinedemm7533
      @antoinedemm7533 Рік тому +7

      ​@danichicago9140 I'm of Normand descent. I can tell you with certainty that they mixed and assimilated with the local Frankish population and aristocracies that were already present quite quickly. This idea of the Normands intermarrying and not mixing with the Frankish locals in Normandie can easily be debunked by choosing any prominent Normand noble, such as William the Conqueror (or Guillaume le Bâtard if you prefer) and looking at their lineage.

    • @originaluddite
      @originaluddite Рік тому +3

      In England concern over the distinction between Saxon and Norman seemed to erode after a few generations, but then the English developed a new fascination for the topic in the nineteenth century, for reasons that would fill another video.

  • @RemiCouture
    @RemiCouture Рік тому +7

    Nice video. We are French from eastern Normandy. I still have Danish DNA with a haplogroup from the British Isles.

  • @SomeCenturio93
    @SomeCenturio93 Рік тому +16

    I've become more interested in the Normans like the ones ruling Sicily and their encounters with the Eastern Romans. John J. Norwich wrote some good books about the era.

  • @xenotypos
    @xenotypos Рік тому +7

    One thing rarely mentioned regarding the Normans and you're touching here, is that despite considerable immigration, the local population in Normandy remained a majority, they didn't disappear overnight. Most of those people, were called Normans at some point, but didn't have much viking ancestry. The elites though, mostly had viking blood at first, but less and less as generations passed. William (more than one century after Rollo's reign) had mostly Frankish blood, as every single generation between him and Rollo intermarried with frankish nobles.
    For me, it means that early "Normans" (as that word was used in west Francia in the 800s and 900s) refered to the nordic people in particular, but also that the late Normans (post-1000) were all the people living in Normandy, thus people that had less nordic ancestry in average than frankish one.

    • @AnotherDuck
      @AnotherDuck Рік тому +1

      The Nordic people were never as numerous as the continental Europeans, so genetically they'd never be a huge part of the people. Their most significant impact was always cultural (despite them being quick to adapt to local cultures where they settled).

    • @anothervinnie7413
      @anothervinnie7413 Рік тому +1

      It’s the same that happen between Frankish people and Gaulish people. Franks have never been the majority and again they adopted the local language and culture and their DNA were diluted into Gaulish ones (not being insignificant).

    • @Freefrost
      @Freefrost 5 місяців тому +1

      But the Franks weren't also the majority of the local population either, they were mostly roman gauls, who were ruled by Franks, who gave the land to Vikings, which married and mixed with these franks.

  • @Vostadues
    @Vostadues Рік тому +16

    One more thing, there is a northern route split from the silk road (Bulgar, Chorezm, Gorgan route), which is often used and operated by Viking traders and their river/sea transportation capability, that route boosted the trades between China and Northern Eastern Europe.

  • @Kiltzombie
    @Kiltzombie Рік тому +7

    Normans are the best. Adventurous warrior spirit and tradition with Frankish Latin culture. Perfect!

  • @NJP9036
    @NJP9036 Рік тому +2

    What a great lesson. Most Europeans have Viking DNA. Bravo. Grazie.

  • @JohnCattermole
    @JohnCattermole Рік тому +8

    Really enjoyed this. This is topic I have been interested in for a long time. I’m great-full to hear you present about it. Great job! Thanks man.

  • @tonyhawk94
    @tonyhawk94 8 місяців тому +3

    Frenchy here, the more I think about it, the more I realize how Britain and France despite having more than 1000 of wars are so close. Both (in different degrees) : Celts, Romanized, Germanicized and even having Scandinavian influence.

  • @LudoTechWorld
    @LudoTechWorld Рік тому +2

    This channel is a real gold mine. Even the subjects I don't a priori care about are made fascinating. Thanks a lot for all the work and passion you put in those videos!

  • @roidrannoc1691
    @roidrannoc1691 Рік тому +79

    When Charles the Simple gave Normandy to Rollo, it was not him admitting defeat. It was a smart move. He gave to the Norse what they wanted, knowing that the Norse are good at pillaging but wouldn't stand a chance in an army vs army battle. In exchange for the land, he expected Rollo to protect France from other Vikings. That's why Normandy is the mouth of the Seine river: the goal was to protect Paris.
    The vikings that settled in Normandy married French women. Rollo himself married to french women. At the time of the third generation, the Normans were 75% ethnically French. They adopted the French culture (architecture, feudal system, linguage, cavalry...). They were vassals of the French kings, so they were legally French.
    Normans were ethnically, culturaly and legally French. With Norse ancestry, sure, but very much French. And English people hate that fact.
    Following 1066, England would be ruled by French kings (and French nobility brought from Normandy by William) for 3 to 4 centuries. English people tend to forget that when they look at a map of the Angevin empire. It was not England controlling half of France, it was the second most powerful family of France also ruling England. Angevin means "from Anjou".
    The 100 years war was a war between the 2 strongest French families, the Capetians and the Plantagenets, and the Coat of Arms of Henry VI should suffice to prove that they still thought of themselves as more French than English.
    Edit: War comes from Norman French, not Latin. The Norman French replaced the letter G with the Letter W (Guillaume-William). In French, war is "guerre", so in Norman French it was pronounced like "werre", and became war.

    • @alpharius4966
      @alpharius4966 Рік тому +8

      Interestingly, this practice bears similarities to the foederati system of the Romans, which is how the Franks entered Gaul.

    • @vorynrosethorn903
      @vorynrosethorn903 Рік тому +10

      Except that the Normans weren't ever really French but formed their own distinct culture and would be a major political threat to the king for centuries, always looking to overthrow him, even the hundred years war could be said to come about from these ambitions. The frenchness of the Normans was coupled with their ambition to take France for themselves and the later arising of English identity was a great boon to the French as it meant that French lords wouldn't switch sides so easily. Things were the worst when the English nobility could be called Anglo-norman and mixed the strengths and ambitions of both, luckily the the English would have a lot less of an ambition to take France for themselves, unluckily the hatred of the French would remain deeply rooted in English culture and pass on to the British identity, which meant that while they stopped being an existential threat there would always the motivation to drag France back down into the mud should they ever start to gain preeminence.

    • @greenmachine5600
      @greenmachine5600 Рік тому +9

      Many people seem to forget about the the Plantagenets and how another French family ruled England besides the Normans

    • @theepicguy13
      @theepicguy13 Рік тому +5

      Except there were no French or English people at that point. The national identities of the two kingdoms didn't form until the 100 years war, and by then the English nobility had already begun identifying as English, and the same with the French.

    • @roidrannoc1691
      @roidrannoc1691 Рік тому +5

      @JackSonEFla2 William didn't had English blood, Edward the confessor had Norman blood. You got it backward.
      France was not unified in 1453, that's simply the end of the 100 years war. Normandy was just as much part of France as Anjou, Aquitaine, Brittany, Burgundy and Champagne. Because of the feudal system, France was a very federal country, and the king had very little power over most of France. That doesn't mean that France wasn't a thing yet (it would be like saying that the USA are not a thing because it is a federal country).
      Yes, many French lands had an history in common with England, because French nobles were ruling over England. There is a reason why you never heard of the Plantedbroom dynasty, because it was known as Plantagenet. The name "Angevin empire" means empire of Anjou.

  • @greendalf123
    @greendalf123 Рік тому +11

    Great video, I also really loved your recent video on the ancient Celts.
    I'd LOVE to see you do an episode on the ancient Slavs, or even the Paleo-Balkan tribes (Thracians, Dacians, Illyrians). Eastern Europe is sooo underrated and little-known in the west it's pretty sad.

  • @Deathclaw2277
    @Deathclaw2277 Рік тому +7

    Another great video as usual! Being an enthusiast of Northwestern European, and especially Scandinavian history, it's always welcome to see content regarding those studies. This dialogue touched on some great points that can give insight to many viewers. Your inclusion of the linguistics is definitely your style, so it fit perfectly.
    Without the expeditions of the Vikings, I can imagine some other events eventually bringing international conflicts between those nations. Perhaps those that were enemies in history could have been allies against different kingdoms.

  • @salinagrrrl69
    @salinagrrrl69 Рік тому +4

    Normans vs Friesians in Charlton Heston's "THE WARLORD" shown with accuracy.

  • @kingsburyscourt3232
    @kingsburyscourt3232 Рік тому +4

    Extremely interesting, when doing my ancestry, I found out that one of my great grandparents was Bernard the Dane. This fills out even more historic concepts when looking at him.

  • @Son-of-Tyr
    @Son-of-Tyr Рік тому +10

    It's actually simple. The Normans were founded by the Norsemen. Over time they adopted aspects of Frankish culture while retaining aspects of their own. They were closely related, but different. Just like the Kievan Rus'. Founded by, but distinct.

  • @rateeightx
    @rateeightx Рік тому +2

    I find it interesting how the Normans wound up ruling both the Kingdom of England _and_ the Kingdom of Sicily, In completely different parts of the continent.

  • @Altrantis
    @Altrantis Рік тому +47

    Normans are badass. When you see their campaigns in southern Italy it's insane, they crushed everything with really small numbers. Frankly between normans and spartans I'd put my money on the normans.

    • @machal9024
      @machal9024 Рік тому +12

      In Italy Normans used more proffesional warriors. Italians used conscripts.
      Spartans used primitive tactical and technology, in compare to Normans. Normans used mixed tactics, Spartans only one. Iron and steel of Normans was better than spartan bronze, linothorax or leather armors.

    • @StuSaville
      @StuSaville Рік тому +9

      They were the Romans of their day, not only skilled at war but also highly skilled engineers and builders. Many of the most iconic buildings in England such as the Tower of London, Canterbury Cathedral and Windsor Castle were constructed by them.

    • @mrhumble2937
      @mrhumble2937 Рік тому +2

      Surprised the battle with England was so close, if England didn't have to fight all the army of Norway first then travel all the way to fight Normandy/Franks seems like most agree England wins. Which is crazy because they weren't known as the best warriors. Maybe just good strategy.

    • @shaolindreams
      @shaolindreams Рік тому +3

      The Normans have over 1000 years of military and technological advantages man..Pikes, spears, bayonets were still a valuable unit used to almost the modern age. How would the Normans Knights do against Spartan spears mixed with line infantry.. Not a good comparison.

    • @mrhumble2937
      @mrhumble2937 Рік тому

      @ShaolinDreams they didn't do well against Germany

  • @ronmaximilian6953
    @ronmaximilian6953 Рік тому +2

    Even before the Viking age and the Norse settlement in the Danelaw, They're already was north men influence on what we call England. The Angles, Saxons, frizzians, and Jutes settled Britannia and mixing with the local Romano-Brirtish population created the English or Anglo-Saxon identity. The Jutes were Danes.

  • @yesshuayarrden777
    @yesshuayarrden777 Рік тому +13

    Nice to have someone talk about the Normans. I always get surprised when people don't know about their culture. Great video. Very informative.
    I wrote a book about the Normans before so you had my attention with just the title.
    My book is "Beyond, Blade, Buckler, Bastion" by the way.

  • @karlhans6678
    @karlhans6678 Рік тому +5

    So its like this:
    norse = original vikings
    anglo-saxon = english viking
    normans = french vikings

  • @GallifreyanGunner
    @GallifreyanGunner Рік тому +3

    It's a fascinating subject for me. I am Canadian from a French-Canadian family but my surname is distinctly Scandinavian (as in the name is fairly common in those countries, even today). Working on my family tree, I traced that name to France as far back as 1660 with an ancestor who came from the Poitieres area and lived, for a while in Anjou. His son came to New France as a soldier and, in old age, lived long enough to see the British take control of Quebec. The surname came down unchanged over the centuries and I can't help but wonder if my family is descended from the Norse who came to Normandy.

    • @tonyhawk94
      @tonyhawk94 8 місяців тому

      Hey French here, maybe I can help you.
      In the North and east of France having a germanic last name is not something rare, Scandinavian much more of course. But it might as well be of Dutch origin for instance.
      Being from the Northeast of France half of my family has Germanic last names and the other typical French. :)

  • @sunnettbravo3642
    @sunnettbravo3642 6 місяців тому

    I love history and am constantly studying…. To find this channel untouched by personal emotional views is just a blessing . Thank you for all that you do . ❤

  • @robert48719
    @robert48719 Рік тому +2

    I've once Had a norwegian working at the place where I lived. He taught me quite a bit of his language. You wouldnt believe how many of the vocabular is nearly similar to english

  • @keithcloutier1447
    @keithcloutier1447 Рік тому +3

    History of the Normans runs deep. My relatives came to Canada from Perche.

  • @alanmichelsandoval8768
    @alanmichelsandoval8768 Рік тому +7

    I think Schola Gladiatoria made a video in which Matt explained that anglo saxons were more related to vikings than normans. He even cited some DNA studies if I remember correctly. Quite a good video

  • @MrDaewen
    @MrDaewen Рік тому +5

    Absolutely Fascinating! I purchased the Celtic Warfare book Metatron mentioned a few videos back. I highly recommend it. So far it is an engaging read and the author doesn't try to claim facts with nothing to back them up. In the areas not fully supported by archeological or written evidence he states his belief and why he believes that but never acts like you must accept it. Very refreshing. If you like Metatrons content I believe you will like this book. For what it's worth I recommend it.

  • @grailknight6794
    @grailknight6794 Рік тому +4

    More norman videos would be nice! How such a small culture changed the whole of europe and they pretty much were the starting block of what we commonly think of as the middle ages and feudalism and knights.

  • @poponachtschnecke
    @poponachtschnecke Рік тому +3

    What great timing! I was just wanting to know more about the Normans!

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Рік тому +3

      I'm glad to hear

    • @poponachtschnecke
      @poponachtschnecke Рік тому

      ​@@metatronyt the information on why English is so commonly is fascinating! I thought it was due to colonialism and laziness at learning other languages, plus later on, it being the common language for air traffic (though many don't know it well enough to avoid some catastrophic crashes).

  • @staceygram5555
    @staceygram5555 Рік тому +4

    Speaking on influence on language.
    English to Danish translation:
    toe = tå
    nail = negl
    foot = fod
    angle = ankel
    knee = knæ
    hip = hofte
    shoulder = skulder
    arm = arm
    elbow = albue
    hand = hånd
    finger = finger
    knuckle = kno
    neck = nakke
    head = hoved
    mouth = mund
    lip = læbe
    tooth = tand
    tongue = tunge
    nose = næse
    eye = øje
    ear = øre
    hair = hår

    • @AZ-697
      @AZ-697 Рік тому +2

      English is a Germanic language after all 😘 we’re extended cousins.

    • @fjalarhenriksson
      @fjalarhenriksson Рік тому +2

      then i could say there are more similarities to your brither better stronger northern neighbour.
      toe = tå
      nail = nagel
      foot = fot
      angle = ankel
      knee = knä
      hip = höft
      shoulder = skuldra
      arm = arm
      elbow = armbåge
      hand = hand
      finger = finger
      knuckle = knoge
      neck = nacke
      head = huvud
      mouth = mun
      lip = läpp
      tooth = tand
      tongue = tunga
      nose = näsa
      eye = öga
      ear = öra
      hair = hår
      I definetly see some closer similatities on mine ;)

    • @AZ-697
      @AZ-697 Рік тому +2

      @@fjalarhenriksson now compare those to other Western Germanic languages like German, Dutch, Scots, Frisian

    • @staceygram5555
      @staceygram5555 Рік тому

      @@fjalarhenriksson
      Norwegian was influenced by Danish. Just like the Norwegian flag was based on the Danish one. All the Northern flags were, as were the British flags.

  • @danieldpa8484
    @danieldpa8484 Рік тому +4

    Vikings gave birth to todays superpowers:
    Vikings - Normans - British & French - US
    Vikings - Varangians - Rus - Russia
    Amazing how such a small area created such an impact on the world

  • @tomhalla426
    @tomhalla426 Рік тому +7

    If I remember correctly, Harold of England had a fair amount of “Danish” ancestry. As did a fair number of his supporters, so it was to some degree a family feud.
    I have seen an argument that middle English had a great deal of Norse grammar rules, even more than loan words from Old Norse.
    It would have been interesting if King Canute/Knut had established a longer lived union of Britain and Scandinavia.

    • @Matt_Alaric
      @Matt_Alaric Рік тому

      What Norse grammar rules did middle English have?

  • @spyrofrost9158
    @spyrofrost9158 Рік тому +9

    "Where does a viking end, and a Norman begin?"
    Well that's quite simple, Metatron - At the end of the viking's spear!

    • @fjalarhenriksson
      @fjalarhenriksson Рік тому +7

      not really the normands were so much better at warfare that its hardly even comparable

  • @renaudtheis1197
    @renaudtheis1197 Рік тому +2

    Me in Normandy watching a video about normans shaping Europe!

  • @johnschartiger8424
    @johnschartiger8424 Рік тому +1

    He's got heros of might and magic 3 on his TV in the background, awesome game

  • @vladimir_vladimira
    @vladimir_vladimira 25 днів тому

    So glad to have found such a well articulated narrative.
    It is a pleasure to watch and listen to.
    Thanks to you Metatron

  • @sebastianleon9801
    @sebastianleon9801 Рік тому +3

    dear Metatron, I love your historical videos, in particular the clarity of your expositions and your methodicity and adherence to facts. I wanted to ask you, if I wanted to learn and research seriously about this kind of topics (in particular Medieval Eurasia), what kind of studies should I pursue? I have a masters degree in philosophy, but lately I've been much more drawn to history... would graduate studies in history be what I'm looking for?

  • @AlvoriaGPM
    @AlvoriaGPM Рік тому

    I waited until after you got your ads back to watch this. Glad everything worked out well for you. And thank you for yet another amazingly well-researched video!

  • @MrAllmightyCornholioz
    @MrAllmightyCornholioz Рік тому +12

    Normans: French Scandinavians
    Vikings: Pure Scandinavians

  • @richardanderson9957
    @richardanderson9957 Рік тому

    It is encouraging to have you defending the necessity of historical honesty. You have confronted one of the greatest and most destructive social viruses of our era.

  • @danichicago9140
    @danichicago9140 Рік тому +16

    Many of the families of the founding fathers of the United States were from old Norman families. The second sons often starting families in Virginia after the Charter.

    • @PolarRed
      @PolarRed Рік тому +3

      err, you mean English!

    • @danichicago9140
      @danichicago9140 Рік тому +1

      @@PolarRed they married within Norman lines almost entirely. They lived in England from 1066 and didn't take up the local language for hundreds of years. The English were peasants.

    • @osric1730
      @osric1730 Рік тому +2

      @@danichicago9140 Weird that you imagine the founding fathers coming from a long line of English aristocrats is something for a Republic to be proud of. The only reason why the Norman invasion succeeded was because King Harold had just annihilated a Viking invasion at Stamford Bridge force marched his army half the length of the country and lost the Battle of Hastings by a whisker. Not only that but the principles that inspired the American Revolution have their origins in the "English peasants" who developed a distinct radicalism during the English Civil War and the turbulent aspirations of the London Mob in the 1700s. This is of course why the founding fathers rejected comparisons with Oliver Cromwell, from a Norman family, because Cromwell suppressed the radicalism of the "English peasants" in the New Model Army and was regarded as having betrayed the numerous people who fought against the monarchy and subsequently fled to America in the wake of their hopes and aspirations being dashed both by Cromwell's suppression and the Restoration of 1660. Consequently America became what the "English peasants" would have made of England had the distinctly un-Norman rank and file of the New Model Army got their way. So you have the "English peasants" to thank for your revolution, your constitution, the origins of your legal system such as juries, your language and vast chunks of your culture, not the Normans, who became English, not the other way round.

    • @RemiCouture
      @RemiCouture Рік тому +4

      The first settlers of New France were Normans. My surname is of Norman origin from that timeline. Your right btw!

    • @danichicago9140
      @danichicago9140 Рік тому +1

      @osric1730 the landowners in the Virginia colony were second sons of landed gentry not farm labor. Many ended up there fighting for the monarchy against the Cromwell and the peasants.

  • @sl0w_rv3rb
    @sl0w_rv3rb Рік тому +3

    loved the video! have you ever tought about doing something similar about Sicily and sicilians?
    Since you are from there, you might have lots of interesting information. A place that was a key point in the Mediterranean since forever. Romans, greeks, phoenicians, arabs, normans and (of course) the native siculi themselves.

  • @Pinklady7529
    @Pinklady7529 Рік тому +1

    I can't believe how much amazing information you pack into your content, this was excellent 👌 thank you! 🙏🙏

  • @Kernwadi
    @Kernwadi Рік тому +2

    "People call me racist... I can't even drive."
    -Bilbo Baggins

  • @stingray4540
    @stingray4540 Рік тому +4

    Basically the Vikings raided and settled all over Europe and then fought themselves under new identities.

  • @Yellow-kp9gs
    @Yellow-kp9gs Рік тому +4

    Yeah it’s interesting how cultures blended and changed overtime.
    We tend to use modern perceptions of nationality to define peoples from the past- the reality is that outside of centralised states (England/ Scotland) unified identities and culture were hard to come by.
    Hell as late as the 11th and 12th centuries ( according to contemporaries ) many Normans still felt a connection to their Northern brethren even though they had assimilated a lot of Frankish culture.

  • @umbralobserver
    @umbralobserver Рік тому +5

    I have always thought that the tale of the Normans is a tale of wild savages who by their own shrewd choices became perhaps the greatest knights of Christendom. They were never mere dominators. In England they were dominators at first, but then slowly superimposed themselves onto English identity, although to this day many Englishmen still harbor resentment of the "Norman Yoke". But that was the most hostile takeover Normans executed. In Ireland, it was said that the Normans who settled there became "more Irish than the Irish themselves". You see further how they preferred to assimilate with how they operated in Italy, most especially with the battle of Civitate, where they defeated a Papal army, captured the Pope, and immediately paid him homage, that by their fealty he would grant them legitimacy of rule. Normans truly were the cemented rulers of Sicily and southern Italy through the Early Medieval Period, and to this day the Italians just acknowledge them as part of their heritage. This model of conquest by assimilation is truly what makes the Normans so unique among all other European races.

  • @MmeRougarou
    @MmeRougarou Рік тому +2

    Thank you for giving us the truth. Keep on shining Metatron! Hail to you!

  • @mizaeldiaz8325
    @mizaeldiaz8325 Рік тому

    You seriously need to set up like a full time - History, Theology and Archaeology channel !! I learn more from you than all the courses I took during undergrad at the university. Lol - keep up the good work 👍🏻

  • @stevenklassen1275
    @stevenklassen1275 Рік тому

    I enjoyed the socio and etno-linguistic explication of english and the roots of some words, thanks!

  • @BlackSabbath31
    @BlackSabbath31 2 місяці тому

    Such a great explonation from you Metatron! I used to tell this my friends, when they asked me about Norman/Viking stuff 😄. Keep going your work and greetings from Switzerland.

  • @payamanexclusive169
    @payamanexclusive169 Рік тому

    I hope you are no longer demonetized. Great content learned a lot

  • @codygilbert7117
    @codygilbert7117 Рік тому

    Give this man his money UA-cam.

  • @k.schmidt2740
    @k.schmidt2740 Рік тому +1

    Great video! I have been interested in the question of how Vikings became Normans in the course of so few centuries for many years, and you have managed to make the transition more plausible. It can be easily forgotten that two centuries, 200 years, can be a long time, especially for humans with an average lifespan of 35 - 40 years. Changes happen "fast" - but not fast, if seen from the standpoint of individual protagonists.

    • @Matt_Alaric
      @Matt_Alaric Рік тому +1

      Bear in mind that that average life expectancy is only so low because of high infant mortality. If you made it to adulthood you'd be expected to live into your 60s or 70s at least.

  • @donlackey4882
    @donlackey4882 Рік тому

    I was impressed with your knowledge and information. It is the best modern interpretation I've seen yet.

  • @richardwilliams4985
    @richardwilliams4985 Рік тому

    This was incredibly educational and thought-provoking. Superb video

  • @Vntihero
    @Vntihero Рік тому +4

    Keep up the great work Metatron! 👍

  • @bumbaladardioshombot
    @bumbaladardioshombot Рік тому +3

    In The Last Kingdom, Uhtred says "when they were traders we called them Danes, but when they were raiders we called them Vikings".

  • @lordofcringe6785
    @lordofcringe6785 Рік тому +2

    Great video!

  • @daemonharper3928
    @daemonharper3928 Рік тому

    Great vid, really interesting - fascinating actually.
    The vast present and future rest on such small events from the past, like an inverted pyramid.
    Keep them coming, I really enjoyed this.

  • @STVODVIL
    @STVODVIL Рік тому

    Hail Metatron, definitely enjoy your videos especially as a history major. The new logo graphic and audio at the end is a nice touch.

  • @mrtrollnator123
    @mrtrollnator123 Рік тому +1

    Very informative video: fun fact, after the normans conquered England in 1066, some of the surviving Ango-Saxon nobility actually fled to the Byzantines and set up a colony in Crimea, look it up

    • @Matt_Alaric
      @Matt_Alaric Рік тому

      Good point. To stop the Russians and Ukrainians fighting over it we should simply reclaim it for England.

  • @nicholasaustin4796
    @nicholasaustin4796 Рік тому

    Heroes of Might and Magic in the background. I love this guy

  • @itsapittie
    @itsapittie Рік тому

    One of the characters in Sir Walter Scott's novel Ivanhoe made the same observation about the difference between how animals were described by the people how raised them and their overlords who ate the meat. It was one of the factors which influenced my interest in languages and how they relate to cultures as I read the book in junior high or high school.

  • @kevinmcqueenie7420
    @kevinmcqueenie7420 Рік тому

    Held off on watching until monetisation was sorted out. Glad I can watch again. Want you to get paid! Keep up the good work!
    ETA: another fantastic video and one close to my heart as I’ve always been fascinated by this very topic!

  • @Theorphan81
    @Theorphan81 Рік тому

    You're such a delight Metatron. I learn so many interesting things from your channel. Bravo Sir!

  • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
    @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Рік тому +5

    So in fact the Vikings invented to pincer attack and perfected it over 200 years - wow - one side of the attack was from Scandinavia to England directly - while some Vikings took a break of 100? years in France and conquered England 1066 - very smart - and turned into the ruling class of England, in other words: the noble ones !
    What would have happened if the Vikings wouldn't not have conquered England and the Normandy - also Sicily which would be a great story to tell - we will never know but could invent.
    Metatron, you opened a great can of worms here - the Normans! I read everything on the market about them, its material for a whole series, me would love it.

    • @prinz5816
      @prinz5816 Рік тому +1

      Normans were fighing against the byzantines in southern italy, funnily enough, a young outlaw prince by the name of "Harald" was leading the Varangian guard against the normans at this time. He would eventually be known to history as "Harald Hardrada"

  • @elynapege6467
    @elynapege6467 Рік тому

    Thank you for a great video discussing cultures and people migration.
    More of this type of vulgarisation is needed to explain and demystify events in historical context.

  • @frankhainke7442
    @frankhainke7442 Рік тому

    Glad you are back.

  • @ZackRekeSkjell
    @ZackRekeSkjell Рік тому

    Very informative video as always! This is a perspective I had not seen fully played out previously. I am Norwegian so quite a bit was known material, but I had not really seen the long lines between the Norse, Normans and Anglo-Saxons like this before.
    Also, the word used for a Norwegian person is «nordmann» in the Norwegian language, so it’s interesting to see how it is similar to Norman.

  • @ClintFrost-vb2hf
    @ClintFrost-vb2hf Рік тому

    Wow this video is super cool. Thanks for the breakdown on cultural constructs.

  • @Julien-yc3zy
    @Julien-yc3zy Рік тому

    As someone coming from a norman family, I loved your video

  • @Enesyuu
    @Enesyuu Рік тому

    I learned so much! Man, I love this channel.

  • @danielduplessis8382
    @danielduplessis8382 Рік тому

    Hi there good work I have Scandinavian roots on my father's side. As I learned vikingr is a verb. We are from the Norman side of the tribe. The french called us du Plessis meaning people with farms of sticks or twigs hence the people was not afraid of bears etc. It is interesting to hear more of the ancestors. Never knew what my roots were until recent, now I can feel proud too haha. Thank you for your thoroughness...

  • @Svartalf14
    @Svartalf14 Рік тому +5

    It's really funny... In the University, I studied Old Norse (a little), because I was fascinated by the runes and the Sögur... totally forgetting that I'm about 20% NOrman through my mother's maternal grandfather... and I never set foot knowingly in Normandy.

    • @storman4482
      @storman4482 Рік тому +1

      My last names Norman… I wonder if I’m related to any Vikings

    • @Svartalf14
      @Svartalf14 Рік тому +1

      @@storman4482 The question is not IF, it's from where, and how long ago...

  • @krzysztofmatych909
    @krzysztofmatych909 Рік тому

    Hi Metatron! Wonderful video like many, many others you have created! I really like you and your interesting content
    I'm wondering if you could make a video about Slavs, my ancestors too, in which lives I have great intrest. For example something like early medieval slavic warfare.
    My heart would be filled with so much warmth!
    Greeting from Poland and huge slava to you!
    ( ,,Slava" means ,,fame, glory". It was a popular call among Slavs and in some countries it is today. )

  • @mr.flibblessumeriantransla5417

    In an old blogpost, as a fun experiment I decided to write a sample text but remove all the Latin/French loanwords and replace them with Germanic ones (a few of which I invariably had to coin form Old English roots).
    Here’s the sample text. First the original, then showing each Latin/French loanword in brackets, then the Germanic English version. At the bottom is a key to the various new words inserted.
    “Today, the president will address the UN delegation regarding the impact of fossil fuels on climate change, and how he intends to institute economic sanctions against nations which fail to meet predetermined carbon emission reductions.”
    Today, the [president] will [address] the UN [delegation] [regarding] the [impact] of [fossil] [fuels] on [climate] [change], and how he [intends] to [institute] [economic] [sanctions] against [nations] which [fail] to meet [predetermined] [carbon] [emission] [reductions].
    ---
    Germanic Only:
    “Today, the headman* will speak to the UN board about the burden of eldkindbone* antwork* on weatherscape* shift, and how he will put gildholds* upon lands which don’t meet forbeset* eldkindbone burning cuts.”
    -
    *headman- this one seems straightforward due to both “head” and “man” existing in modern English, but in this case the elements represent the older, abstract meanings of “foremost” and “person.”
    Technically, the more precise Germanic equivalent of “president” would be “overseer,” but that word has other connotations/uses in modern English, as does other possible terms like “headmaster,” “foreman,” and “lord.”
    *eldkindbone- my construction to replace the word “fossil,” derived from Germanic elements eld/ald/old + kin/kind + bone.
    *antwork- modern spelling of Old English “antweorc,” meaning “material, thing to be used in construction, unaltered substance,” to replace the word “fuel.”
    ~For the life of me I couldn’t find a word in modern English for “fuel” that didn’t derive from Latin/Greek roots(except words for specific kinds of “fuel”).
    *weatherscape- my construction to replace the word “climate.”
    *gildholds- my construction to replace the terms “economic sanctions.”
    *forbeset- my construction to replace the word “predetermined,” derived from Germanic elements: “for-“ (first, in front of, ahead of), “be-“ (word forming element meaning “to cause, make such”), and “set”(to sit, put in place).

  • @kveitehitmaker6316
    @kveitehitmaker6316 Рік тому

    Bra. Godt forsket og rimelig saklig video. Takk for videoen!

  • @babafly2947
    @babafly2947 Рік тому

    Love your content, normally not one that goes in the comment section. I really don't know what to say about this new style of video with the background music and rather quick (compared to other videos of yours) change of pictures. It throws me off a bit, always enjoyed how you've done your older content.

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Рік тому +2

      I've been using the background music since probably 2017. When it comes to B-rolls, I know not everyone likes them, but they do appear to boots considerably the performance and average viewer retention on my videos, rather than just having a talking head for 16 minutes. Hopefully you won't find it too distracting. Thanks for the constructive criticism.

  • @petrabliss2558
    @petrabliss2558 Рік тому

    I recently discovered your channel. I am impressed by your knowledge. I really love your channel ❤

  • @tobago3679
    @tobago3679 Рік тому

    Very precise and concise video, great work.

  • @Shin_Akumi
    @Shin_Akumi Рік тому +4

    I think the best way to describe a norman is similar to a Dane that settled in England and became Christian. Ecept a norman was a viking that become a frankish. Similar to the scottish n Irish vikings that were adopted into celtic culture that settled in the isles. Like rollo for example. A famous viking born in scotland. Corky islands or something.

    • @keng293
      @keng293 Рік тому +2

      Except that the Normans are mainly a mixture of Scandinavians and Celts (Gauls)... The Franks were mainly in the North of France, Paris and the East of France.

  • @the36lessons11
    @the36lessons11 Рік тому +1

    It happened when Hrolfr went, "Fug it! It's Rollo, now! Oui oui! A-hon hon hon!"

  • @Toadonthehill.
    @Toadonthehill. Рік тому

    A very thought provoking video, thank you my friend 👍.

  • @Matt_Alaric
    @Matt_Alaric Рік тому +1

    The Scandinavians were great mixers, whether in the distant past or in more modern times. Wherever the Vikings settled they adopted local culture and language and disappeared, but even during the settlement of America millions of Scandinavians settled in America but left very little impact as they adopted the culture, language, and religion of their new homelands.

  • @insane_troll
    @insane_troll Рік тому +1

    10:43 "That is because in Western Europe, English is the perfect middle language between the two main linguistic realities: the Germanic, and the romance. Similar enough to Germanic languages in its roots, etymology, structure, and syntax for Germanic people to learn it easily, and close enough to Latin languages because of its overwhelming Latin vocabulary for romance speakers like me to learn it."
    That's very interesting, I've never thought of it like that before.

  • @staceygram5555
    @staceygram5555 Рік тому +1

    Speaking on influence on language.
    English to Danish translation:
    axe = økse
    knife = kniv
    sword = sværd
    spear = spyd
    hammer = hammer
    shield = skjold
    helmet = hjelm

  • @TheOnlyToblin
    @TheOnlyToblin Рік тому

    If I learned anything in this video, it's that Halley's passed within an Earth diameter (2 point something radii) of Earth. That is CRAZY close!!

  • @MYSELF555666
    @MYSELF555666 Рік тому

    Nice work man!

  • @DB-uf6md
    @DB-uf6md Рік тому

    Veru informative as per usual, thanks you!