Feel free to comment below regarding this issue of Christ's sonship and what your thoughts are regarding the intolerance that these leaders have towards those who believe in a REAL Father and Son. Remember also, Be nice. BLessings, David.
I have been wanting you to make a video about this subject. I've prayed for it. I was a bit taken aback on his teaching of the trinity. It will never make sense to me. I believe as you do. I will continue to pray about this and look forward to the next video. I will share this with others and watch it with my husband tonight. Thank you so much brother David. Much love until next time. 🙏🙏🏼🙏🏾
@@collenaramsey3733 Amen, I'm sure this will be helpful. Another one coming next week as well with relation to the Divinity of CHrist and the Personality of God.
My husband and I saw this video together so we’ll explained. My husband said you’re right, he’s happy he believes like you. He says he can’t believe how the church has changed their beliefs and how they ignore our pioneers.
Jesus is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8. I think God can multiply and unite himself. Are there two Almighties? Will you join me to worship God in the new earth during his new moons and his sabbaths? Will you join me to worship the Lord Jesus after he has returned to this earth at his feast of tabernacles? I would love to strengthen your faith in the Lord Jesus and the old king James Bible is the best for every English speaker. Read Colossians 2:8,16,18 and Colossians chapter again with the help of the Holy Ghost. Those verses prove that the Colossian church and every Gentile church kept each holy day, each new moon, and each sabbath. They are a shadow of things to come. Eating pork and other abomination will cause you to be consumed and send you to hell. Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom. Do not worship God in vain by obeying the pope of Rome. Worship God in spirit and in truth and obey the Lord Jesus of the sabbath. Worship the Lord Jesus in his sabbaths, his new moons and his holy days. The everlasting gospel is to love God, give him glory, and worship him in love. The days of unleavened bread are approaching, Continue in the grace and love of God.
Great video David. I left the ministry about two years ago to go and be a missionary. I have only recently come to the understanding of the Father and the Son. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. I made my "coming out" video just a few days ago. Feel free to watch it and give your opinion. Needless to say, I have upset a few people, but I had to do it. I'm just glad I was not dependant on the church anymore. People don't understand, but in an unconscious level, it does influence your ability to make a decision. I have tried everything to get some support from my Conference, Union and Devision, yet failed to get one cent. I could not understand that. Now I'm glad that God is our only true support.
“Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” John 17:24 KJV
"Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent." {Ellen White, 14MR 23.3}
Description of Matthew 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER✅, AND OF THE SON✅, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST ✅: Matthew 28:19 is Matthew didn't write IN THE NAME OF THE God ❌FATHER, AND God ❌ OF THE SON, AND God ❌ OF THE HOLY GHOST let's break it down ⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪ of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, GOD THE FATHER ⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪ 👉GOD THE FATHER ✅ 📚According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚 👉GOD THE FATHER ✅ 2 Peter 1:17 (KJV) For he received from 👉GOD THE FATHER✅honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. The GOD of Son ⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪ 👉The GOD of Son ❌ 📚According to the Bible/The Word God 📚 👉The SON OF GOD ✅ Matthew 16:16 (KJV) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, 👉THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD ✅ The GOD of Holy Spirit ⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪ 👉The GOD of Holy Spirit, ❌ 📚 According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚 👉 THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD ✅ Ephesians 4:30 (KJV) And grieve not 👉THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD ✅, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. ⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪ 👉Holy spirit is a God ❌ 📚 According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚 John 4:24 (KJV) 👉GOD IS A SPIRIT ✅: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now 👉THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT ✅: and where 👉THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD ✅ is, there is liberty. 2 Corinthians 3:18 (KJV) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as BY THE👉SPIRIT OF THE LORD.✅ John 20:22 (NET) And after he said this, 👉HE BREATHED ON them and said, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT✅ one in three, three in one ⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪ 👉one in three, three in one ❌ 📚According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚 John 17:3 (KJV) And this is life eternal, that they might know 👉THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD,✅and 👉JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT✅. 1 Corinthians 8:6-7 (KJV) 6 But to us there is 👉 BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER✅, of whom are all things, and we in him; and 👉ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST✅, by whom are all things, and we by him. 7 🚧🚨HOWBEIT THERE IS NOT IN EVERY MAN THAT KNOWLEDGE🚧🚨 .... 👉Not three in one and not one in three John 10:30 (KJV) I and MY FATHER are ONE.✅ 👉Not 3️⃣ in 1⃣☝and☝not 1⃣ in3️⃣ ❌ ⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪ The God of Father co-equal❌ The God of Son co-eternal❌ The God of Holy Spirit co-existance❌ 📚According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚 Co-equal John 14:28 (KJV) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, 👉 I GO UNTO THE FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I ✅ 👉Co-equal ❌ John 10:29 (KJV) 👉 MY FATHER, WHICH GAVE THEM ME, IS GREATER THAN ALL ✅ ; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 👉Co-equal ❌ 1 Corinthians 15:28 (KJV) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall 👉THE SON ALSO HIMSELF BE SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL✅ 👉Co-equal ❌ John 5:26 (KJV) For as the Father hath life in himself; 👉 SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF ✅; 👉Co-eternal ❌ 👉Co-existance❌ 👉Co-equal ❌ Co-eternal John 8:42 (KJV) Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: 👉FOR I PROCEEDED FORTH AND CAME FROM GOD ✅; 👉 NEITHER CAME I OF MYSELF, BUT HE SENT ME ✅. 👉Co-eternal ❌ 👉Co-existance❌ 👉Co-equal ❌ John 15:26 (KJV) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, 👉EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, WHICH PROCEEDETH FROM THE FATHER,✅ he shall testify of me: 👉Co-eternal ❌ 👉Co-existance❌ 👉Co-equal ❌ John 16:7 (KJV) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, 👉 I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU✅. 👉Co-eternal ❌ 👉Co-existance❌ 👉Co-equal ❌ John 20:22 (YLT) and this having said, 👉 HE BREATHED ON [THEM], ✅and saith to them, 👉 RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT ✅; 👉Co-eternal ❌ 👉Co-existance❌ 👉Co-equal ❌
If Christ created all things, he existed before all things. The words spoken in this regard are so clear that no one is left in doubt. Christ was God in his inherent nature, as well as in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, was God over all, and to him be praise, honour and glory for ever. EGW Bible commentary The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from all eternity as a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the supreme glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly beings, and it was his right to receive the adoring homage of the angels. This was no robbery from God. [Proverbs 8:22-27 quoted]
Pastor Vieth said, "if Jesus has become a **CREATED BEING** than please go and join the Jehovah Witness and don't bother this church anymore." Although Pastor Vieth seemed harsh in the clip you shared, what he said is right. To worship created beings is sin. David you should know this. It is not a "strawman" argument. Romans 1:25 says, " Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen." Scripture and Sister White state repeatedly Jesus is worthy of our worshiped thus it's impossible for Him to be a created being! I am curious, do you believe Jesus is a created being? God bless everyone!
I don't think you listened to the clip did you! No he doesn't believe Jesus was created. It IS a straw man argument because he's putting emphasis on the created bit. In other words all non triniatarians believe Jesus was created. Its a ploy to antagonise trinitarians to be against non trinitarians without studying it for themselves.
@@gregkingston4913 Inconsistency is the calling card every false doctrine. Anti-trinitarian is a dividing spirit and a malfeasance to the body of Christ.
@@larrybedouin2921 The trinity doctrine has already divided the church from the church many years ago in 1946 when this heinous pagan doctrine was introduced by Leroy Froom a jesuit priest who infiltrated our church. Have you done your research? You call it inconsistency, how so? If you've studied your bible you would only find two divine beings and THEIR united Spirit that comes to us not someone called god the Holy Spirit! The Holy Spirit is NOT a seperate entity from God the Father or his Son. It is THEIR divine Spirit. We all have a spirit. Our spirit is who we are, it is our very being and personality. Its the same with God and his Son except their Spirit is Holy and it can be omnipresent. This is how father and Son while physically in heaven come to us united in their Spirit ACTING like a third person.
@@larrybedouin2921 The TRUTH is dividing! Ask for the old paths that ye may walk therein. Most adventists do not want to do this! For the old paths that our pioneers walked in was Non trinitarian! The church in 1946 divided themselves from the truth and went on a slippery slope with a three god being that makes one God nonsense!
The only Begotten Son of God, stepped down selflessly, to be one with us, the great Conqueror, the Sword of God our Father. Christ Conquered sin, death and the devil. Flesh and blood sits on high above all the universe and we too with him, our Good Shepherd, Wonderful Councilor, Comforter, Holy Spirit, Spirit of Truth...our all in all. Our blood Brothers glorified body in Heaven and his Spirit on earth is the pledge of our Salvation. Let me be yoked with you, our everlasting father, pressing on forward and upward, carrying my cross, despising the shameful life of old in sin, that you my Lord and King, change this carnal mind, transform and renew it a spiritual mind, that old not fulfil the lusts of the flesh, may I grow in grace and knowledge of knowing you more, Almighty Father, the One True God and your only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, our High Priest and Mediator in your living Temple not made with hands. God be the Glory, Father to All, sacrificing All, for those you Loved, that you can be All in All, through the life imputed and imparted, upon all who believe and accept, the only Begotten, Born of God, Jesus Christ our Tree of Life, Life and Love, the last Adam, the quickening Spirit, our new Heritage born again from above, our Good Shepherd, our friend. John 3:3-6 3 Jesus answered and said to him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born anew he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus says to him, How can a man be born being old? can he enter a second time into the womb of his mother and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit Colossians 1:15-23 The Preeminence of Christ 15 He is the image of jthe invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or ndominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace yby the blood of his cross. 21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, adoing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled bin his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and dabove reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, fstable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed hin all creation7 under heaven, iand of which I, Paul, became a minister Romans 6:3-7 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin 2 Corinthians 5:12-20 We are not commending ourselves to you again but giving you cause to boast about us, so that you may be able to answer those who boast about outward appearance and not about what is in the heart. For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised. From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. Hebrews 1:1-4 The Supremacy of God's Son 1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs
Before anything was ever Created, even the Universe. Jesus Christ came out of the Eternal Fathers bosom, meaning he was begotten, not created. The Father was first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christs personality had a beginning." Thats how God The Father Created all things through his Son. They are two, yet little short of being identical, two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character.
@@maranathasam Can you then Elaborate. What do you mean that's Catholic. That what was said is not at all Catholic. It's Only Truth, read it very carefully again and with openness of mind.
Before the world was, david not saying Jesus wasn't before the world was. We don't know when cuz bible dooes not give exact time frame. The bible does say begotten from the father. Jesus could have been begotten in less than 30min. We don't know, we don't need to know. We only need to know: God the Father, Son of God and Spirit of God. Not trinity. The Godhead is Father and Son and Spirit is the Godhead.
@@susangoodman2832The Son of the God always existed, as Arhanghel Mihail , as The Angel of the Lord in old Testament, it is identity Jesus Christ he come in flash 👏
I have been a SDA for years and never realized when the church say "Third person" they meant what they meant. I only realized it recently and was VERY shocked to realize the church believes in the Trinity as the Catholics. I have never seen the Holy Spirit as a separate "being" Neither did the pioneers if you study it yourself. But has ALWAYS seen it as God and Jesus' Spirit that is in all angles, people and created beings that lead us to God and in truth and give us life. Trinity=Sunday=Antichrist GodHead=Sabbath=True God You cant mix these up. If the Holy Spirit is a different "person" why isn't He mentioned in Rev 1:1 as a person?(He must have been 3rd in heaven in rank then?) or in Rev 22:3 He doesn't sit on the throne with God and Jesus.If the Holy Spirit is a person surely in the end He will be on the thone as well as a'person' then to be honoured as well? The Bible never mention that. I hear you get voted out of chuch for not believing in the trinity?Yet they are ok with abortion in our official church letter.Maybe we should read our Bibles and SOP ourselves rather than listening to leaders in the church then Gods Holy Spirit can convince us instead of wrong teachings of men. Always remember it was church leaders that crucified Jesus with Rome and leaders will lead you astray in the end times as well.
"You have never see the holy spirit as separate being " end of quote can you explain this bible verses from for better understanding please read Mathew 12:31-32,John14 :16-18,26, John 15:26.
Brother David, wonderful study, I look forward to Part 2, Happy Sabbath. May the Peace and Wisdom of Jesus Christ be with you always, Amen; I would also like to ask for prayers for brother Walter Veith; His series 'Total Onslaught' brought me to the Truth and Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the True living God, Jehovah, Amen. Peace
I agree brother Henry, may God enlighten our brother Walter Veith and may his eyes be opened to the precious love of a real Father who paid a huge price in giving His only begotten Son for him.
The Hebrew word for “whose goings forth” is used one other time in the Bible, 2 Kings 10:27. So it is impossible to know exactly what this phrase means. There is no way to cross reference it with other verses. Interestingly in Matthew 2:6 the writer quotes Micah 5:2 and tells us out of Bethlehem shall come the Governor (Messiah) of Israel! The significance of this verse to Mathew was not about the heavenly “origin” or “beginning” of God’s Son, but about how the ruler of God’s people would come from the little town of Bethlehem. The phrase “whose goings forth” is not a statement on how the pre-incarnate Christ came from non-existence to existence in “the days of eternity,” but a reference to ancient prophecies spoken a 1000 years earlier (see Gen. 49:10), telling us the Messiah’s origin would come from the tribe of Judah. Happy Sabbath my friend!
@@gregkingston4913 if the doctrine of papecy it is 3in1 being excuse me I don't trust the beast and little horn as all the religious who is under authority of the state, except the doctrine of the woman ( Chatolic Church) , so I don't trust chatolicism either the writings of Ellen White was changed by the Liders of the AZS etc...all of them are in the Apostasy as this man who doesn't agry with Walter Veith who is telling the truth and biblical teaches etc....
I cant believe that there are Adventists who claim to be "people of the book" yet fall into this heresy that Jesus was created or literally born. In John 8:58 Jesus says that He is the self existent ETERNAL GOD. No beginning and no end. If you believe that the Father created the Son to be the one to die for sin then you have heresy. What makes the gospel so powerful and true is that it was GOD who was on the cross. And the idea of a deity (Father) creating or giving birth to a smaller lesser deity (Son) then you have paganism. I Stand with Walter Veith. "I AM means an eternal presence; the past, present, and future are alike with God. He sees the most remote events of past history and the far distant future with as clear a vision as we do those things which are transpiring daily. We know not what is before us, and if we did, it would not contribute to our eternal welfare. God gives us an opportunity to exercise faith and trust in the great I AM.... Our Saviour says, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad” (John 8:56). Fifteen hundred years before Christ laid off His royal robe, His kingly crown, and left His position of honor in the heavenly courts, assumed humanity, and walked a man among the children of men, Abraham saw His day, and was glad. “Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am” (verses 57, 58).... Christ was using the great name of God that was given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence. [See Exodus 3:14.] Isaiah also saw Christ, and his prophetic words are full of significance. He says, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). Speaking through him, the Lord says, “I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour.... Fear not: for I am with thee.... I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.... Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he.... I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King” (Isaiah 43:3-15).... When Jesus came to our world, He proclaimed Himself, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6).... The Lord must be believed and served as the great “I AM,” and we must trust implicitly in Him.12Letter 119, 1895.
I cant believe there are intelligent SDAs who still cling to the hellish doctrine of the trinity when it is clear from SOP and the bible what the nature of God, His Son and the Holy Spirit is. Jesus said in John 14 regarding the comforter to come that they the disciples know him for he is with you. So how could they know the comforter if he hasn't come yet? He was obviously talking in third person terminology about himself coming as the comforter. He then says I WILL COME TO YOU. How will he come to us? In omnipresent form. Phil 1:19.. the supply of the Spirit of Christ. Romans 8:9-11 if you have not the Spirit of Christ you are none of his! Jesus said I would never leave you nor forsake you. No he is here united with his Fathers Spirit. It is their united Holy omnipresent Spirit that lives in us. Jesus said touch me for a spirit hath not flesh and bones. So what is a spirit? We all have a spirit for we were made in the Image of God. Our spirit is who we are, it is our very being and personality. It is the same with God and His Son except their Spirit is Holy and it is also omnipresent! They don't need someone called god the holy spirit to do their work. While physically in heaven they are with us by their omnipresence! Their spirit ACTS like a third person on earth!
@@gregkingston4913 Matthew 28:19-20 🤷♂ 1 Corinthians 12:11? 2 Corinthians 13:15? Remember that Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as He and Him almost 20 times in John 14, 15 and 16. Matthew 4:1 Jesus was filled WITH the Holy Spirit and LED BY the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:26, 34 - The Spirit makes intercession for us AND Jesus. "Christ, our Mediator, AND the Holy Spirit are constantly interceding in man's behalf, but the Spirit pleads not for us as does Christ who presents His blood, shed from the foundation of the world; the Spirit works upon our hearts, drawing out prayers and penitence, praise and thanksgiving." -Manuscript 50, 1900 (SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 6, on Romans 8:26, 34). what is hellish is a system of interpretation that ignores the weight of evidence to produce a insulting doctrine that denies the eternal divine nature of Christ and the existence of the Holy Spirit as a personal divine separate Third Person of the Godhead. Matthew 12:31-32, Hebrews 9:14 - "how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL SPIRIT offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" Hebrews 10:29 - " Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" It couldn't be more clear than this - "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio" blessings to you Greg
@@ericfolks1503 The Spirit being HE is because it is Christ by his omnipresence. Wasn't my explanation of John 14 clear enough. What don't you understand about " YOU KNOW HIM FOR HE IS WITH YOU{ MEANING HIMSELF} AND THEN I WILL COME TO YOU. HOW BY HIS OMNIPRESENCE. Surely is not this clear enough? EGW also calls Jesus the comforter. 8 MR pg 57 Christ comes as a Comforter to all who believe. E.G White Manuscript releases vol 19 pg 297,298 {1892} “As by faith we look to Jesus, our faith pierces the shadow, and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving Jesus the Comforter” E.G White SDA bible commentary vol 6 pg 1076, 1077 {1894} “ But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.” Oh how precious are these words to every bereaved soul! Christ is our Guide and comforter, who comforts us in all our tribulations” E.G White Review and Herald, Aug 26, 1890 par 10 “The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying” This is the way, walk ye in it” Romans 8:9-11... if you have not the Spirit of Christ you are NONE of his! The three living persons of the heavenly trio is the Father, his Son and THEIR Spirit there is no third person. Jesus said a spirit hath not flesh and bones. Can a person spread himself out all over the world? If not then he this third person would need an omnipresent spirit. If Father and son are omnipresent what's the use for this third person? Do they just sit back in heaven and relax? No the united Spirit of God and his Son acts like a third person while they are physically in heaven!
I compare it to how our Father showed us how Eve was brought forth from Adam. Jesus was brought forth/begotten of God. Why else would God give us that in the Bible?
The Adventist Review 1996 article depicts the plan of redemption as some sort of casual and superficial exchange. When their 3 gods obliged to agreed roles, it paints such a shallowness if not irreverence to the God that is portrayed in our Bible. And since they instruct us that it was a sort of theater, they must have record of such from scripture or at least from the pen of the prophetess. Right? Will the BRI unearth this 'story' from the incarcerated publications buried in the basement of the EGW estate? Let's wait and see. And why would their 3 co-equal gods even come up with a Father/ Son/ Spirit role playing relationship? ...So illogical. If a triune god was such an unquestionable reality, why doesn't our Bible present their 3 gods as say... 3 brothers? Wouldn't that be more consistent and plausible? And since it is explained to us as role play, my mind struggles immensely and looks for a illustration to somehow wrap my head around this conundrum of 'agreed upon' actors. All I can come up with is? ...'the 3 musketeers'. As it was chimed... 'All for one and one for all'. I choose to make fun of them, since they make fun of God. In the end?... Their mountain of lies has fabricated a farcical mockery of divinity.
Many who believe begotten means created or the two words has similar meaning fail to realize Jesus was the one who spoke the words of John 3:16 So if anyone knows what the word means is Christ himself because he says in John 16:27 “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I CAME OUT from God.”Furthermore the New Testament didn’t exist at this time so they had the writing of Moses(law of Moses); Now look how Moses himself understood what begotten meant as he cried out to God in Numbers 11:11-12 “And Moses said unto the Lord, Wherefore hast thou afflicted thy servant? and wherefore have I not found favour in thy sight, that thou layest the burden of all this people upon me? [12] Have I CONCEIVED all this people? have I BEGOTTEN them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest i unto their fathers?” Does Moses uses the word as creating something or giving birth to? Here’s another one Judges 8:30-31 “And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body BEGOTTEN: for he had many wives. [31] And his concubine that was in Shechem, she also bare him a son, whose name he called Abimelech” it’s evident the Old Testament writers know what Begotten mean.
@@gregkingston4913 The eternal Godhead-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost-is involved in the action required to make assurance to the human agent.”-Upward Look, 148. I can count three. Seems very triune.
@@gregkingston4913 You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and the power of the three holiest beings in heaven, who are able to keep you from falling. 7MR 267.2 “The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the three holy dignitaries of heaven, have declared that they will strengthen men to overcome the powers of darkness.”-5 Bible Commentary, 1110. (Manuscript 92,1901). Again I count three Beings.
@@gregkingston4913 “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” {John 10:11} “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.” {John 10:14} (A Psalm of David.) The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want... {Psalm 23:1} For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. {Isaiah 9:6} I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. {Isaiah 43:11} Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God* and our Saviour Jesus Christ; {Titus 2:13} καὶ σωτήρ < "and Savior" is a conjunction/cumulative to the great God...
I believe you are not fair making your point but hiding the real context. After the Great Fiask many nominal adventist abandoned faith in frustration. Some started new groups putting new dates for Jesus coming, and others like the group where Jaime white, Ellen Harmon Gould, Urias Smith and others belonged they remained studying the Bible o discover where was the error. Among those people White, U.Smith and others were antitrinarian in their churches. Ellen was a Methodist and a Trinitarian. J.White even after married wrote despectively about trinitarianism , it is right. Ellen for several years didn’t talk about this issue as they were dealing with many other important issues. But in 1898 she started talking about Three person in Deity and she wrote it in her book that year: The Desire of Ages chapter 73.( after that You won't find more discussion from James about the issue. He accepted it as a Revelation) Besides in the same book DA chapter 86 she reafirmed the baptismal formula " In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" Relember she died in 1915 in very good mental health
>But in 1898 she started talking about Three person in Deity and she wrote it in her book that year: The Desire of Ages chapter 73.( after that You won't find more discussion from James about the issue. He accepted it as a Revelation) " Three person in Deity is not a Cote from sister White. and SECOND : The Desire of Ages chapter 73.( after that You won't find more discussion from James about the issue. He accepted it as a Revelation) " WELL, JAMES WHITE was DEAD at that time he passt in 1881 . So he accepted nothing.
Below is the full quote shown at the 9:14 mark from the E.G.W devotional “This day with God Page” 128.2 “Angels were expelled from heaven because they would not work in harmony with God. They fell from their high estate because they wanted to be exalted. They had come to exalt themselves, and they forgot that their beauty of person and of character came from the Lord Jesus. This fact the [fallen] angels would obscure, that Christ was the only begotten Son of God, and they came to consider that they were not to consult Christ.” E.G.W. states angels “would not work in harmony with God.” Apparently, they forgot the Lord Jesus was the Most High God, and their beauty and majestic attributes came from Him. Isaiah 14:14 says Lucifer wanted to be “like the Most High.”
God expresses Himself as Father to unrestored man and we get consumed; God expresses Himself thru His Son and we behold His glory in visible flesh and got to know Him again. God expresses Himself in the Spirit and we experience His abiding presence till be get transformed back to His glory and can see Him again as Father without getting consumed. Thank you Lord for your Spirit that relates with us as a personality and we dare not grieve Him..
Amen🙏🏼❤️❤️ We're either bowing our knee to Rome through the Trinity doctrine deception, compromise and Apostasy, Lord to have mercy, beloved brethren brother Walter Veith seems silencing liberty of conscience to suit, agitating error is also a means by the devil poised to force. So diabolical pretty much sounds the enemy within, there's more fear from within than from without. Let's watch unto prayer. Thanks so much for sharing beloved brethren brother David Barron. As the storm approaches, a large class who have professed faith in the third angel's message, but have not been sanctified through obedience to the truth, abandon their position, and join the ranks of the opposition. By uniting with the world and partaking of its spirit, they have come to view matters in nearly the same light; and when the test is brought, they are prepared to choose the easy, popular side. Men of talent and pleasing address, who once rejoiced in the truth, employ their powers to deceive and mislead souls. They become the most bitter enemies of their former brethren. When Sabbath-keepers are brought before the courts to answer for their faith, these apostates are the most efficient agents of Satan to misrepresent and accuse them, and by false reports and insinuations to stir up the rulers against them. - GC88 608.1 KJV Revelation 14:9-11 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. KJV Revelation 13:4, 8 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. KJV Matthew 16:15-18 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. KJV John 17:3 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. KJV Matthew 4:3 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. KJV Revelation 12:7 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
I ask you David.. before going public, have you spoken with Walter Veith before going public? and also I think you both believe the same... english is not as precise as other languages, and he, who speaks, and understand creation being a professor of evolution turned a wonderful evangelist has certainly learned creation, and Jesus' birth... spoken with love, and I DO hope you spoke with Walter before going public, lest you are approaching this in a way that is not well, mildly, not right.
Walter did this publicly, and in the video has asked not to be bothered. So, God willing he will see the video and repent. I understand he teaches creation science, I like a lot of Kent Hovind's stuff on creation science, but for some reason some have the idea that we can't discuss what is public error. It really doesn't matter whether it is the Pope or JH Kellogg teaching pantheism, we are to "Meet it". And if it is being publicly proclaimed, we are to meet it publicly. I will be sharing on this today, God bless, David.
@@thirdangelsmessage1669 thank you for your kind reply. He does not believe in pantheism.. He has shown on many videos the 'gods' of pantheism. Yes it was broadcasted, here is my thought: rather than putting him down, he does much for our movement, to talk with him personally, rather than publicly put him down. He does speak against pantheism. blessings
@@AlineLegault I've done a video on pantheism and showing that if you believe the Holy Spirit is a person you are a pantheist. The third part of my series will detail this.
Agree...error must be met head on! James 5:19-20. Matthew 18 has an order to follow when one is in error. So, I can see both sides. Even the Apostles had major disagreements but overcame and were unified. T= true R= righteousness U= unifies E= everyone TRUE 👍 ♥
Ho. Will you join me to worship God in the new earth during his new moons and his sabbaths? Will you join me to worship the Lord Jesus after he has returned to this earth at his feast of tabernacles? I would love to strengthen your faith in the Lord Jesus and the old king James Bible is the best for every English speaker. Read Colossians 2:8,16,18 and Colossians chapter again with the help of the Holy Ghost. Those verses prove that the Colossian church and every Gentile church kept each holy day, each new moon, and each sabbath. They are a shadow of things to come. Eating pork and other abomination will cause you to be consumed and send you to hell. Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom. Do not worship God in vain by obeying the pope of Rome. Worship God in spirit and in truth and obey the Lord Jesus of the sabbath. Worship the Lord Jesus in his sabbaths, his new moons and his holy days. The everlasting gospel is to love God, give him glory, and worship him in love. The days of unleavened bread are approaching, Continue in the grace and love of God.
Here are a few quotes from Ellen G. White that reflect her views on Christ's divinity and pre-existence: 1. **On Christ's Pre-existence:** - "Christ was treated as we deserve, that we might be treated as He deserves." (The Desire of Ages, p. 25) - "The Word was God. The Word was with God. The same was in the beginning with God." (The Signs of the Times, April 29, 1897) 2. **On Christ's Divine Nature:** - "In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived." (The Desire of Ages, p. 530) - "The Son of God was next in authority to the great Lawgiver." (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34) 3. **On the Relationship within the Godhead:** - "The Father is the source of all life, and the Son is the only begotten of the Father." (The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 1, p. 20) - "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-you are to be baptized." (Evangelism, p. 615) These quotes illustrate her belief in the divine nature and pre-existence of Christ as well as the relationship within the Godhead.
The churchfathers couldn't figure out that the Father - who is a spirit ("God is a spirit") - is inside Jesus and is simply called "Holy Spirit" by Him (see the Jesus' sermon about the two blasphemies, directed to Son and Father). He helped Jesus in the desert and later when speaking. Thus no third person exists.
Noticed that David uses the satanic symbols for SDA and uses a AI generated picture of EG White being young attractive petite something she is not . Shows his carnal mindset.
John 8:24 KJV - 24 I (Jesus speaking) said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Please note that “he” is not in the original Greek and is italicized to indicate that it was supplied by the translators. Therefore, what Jesus really said here was “I AM,” therefore making it another declaration of his Godhood that he is a divine, eternal, pre-existent, infinite, perfect Being. Christ is Israel’s God. See Exodus 3:14 and under John 8:58). Thus the correct translation of Jesus' words. John 8:24 KJV - 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins.
It is really interesting how you redefine words (created and begotten) and take things out of context to support your beliefs. For example, do you believe Jesus came from non-existence to existence by the will of the Father? In other words, do you think there was a point when Jesus did not exist, and suddenly, He did exist! After answering this question contemplate what your answer actually means! SDAs, me included, believe Jesus has never NOT existed! To normal people to not exist and then to suddenly exist means you are created. Angels did not exist, and they suddenly did exist. Creation! The universe did not exist, and it suddenly did exist. Creation! The earth and man did not exist, and suddenly did exist. Creation! According to you Jesus did not exist and suddenly He did exist! Not creation but begotten! Really? You diminish the glory and majesty of Christ's divine nature by making His existence comparable to that of all creation! Time is short and there are better ways for you to end your life in this world than causing division in God's Remnant Church! It is not to late! Come home my friend!
One is older than the other and this is backed up by proverbs 8. Jesus was brought fourth an eternity so to speak in the past. There was never a time that he was not with the Father. Many take this to mean he always was. But I can say the same thing about my wife. There was never a time that I was not with my wife. Im 15 years older so how can this be? The statement means that there never was a time that Jesus has not been with the Father SINCE HE WAS BEGOTTEN! THAT is the mystery!
@@gregkingston4913 human rhetoric or anything in this world can’t describe the Godhead. Best not to even try. Back in 1896 I believe WW Wescott preached a sermon about the eternal existence of Christ without a beginning. Ellen White endorsed that sermon wholeheartedly. The mystery of The Godhead is that They have been Father and Son from eternity. There has never been a time when They were not Father and Son.
@@gregkingston4913 yes God The Father has always worked through His Son, Whenever it’s time to create He calls His Son forth and They create. That too is a mystery
@@respiratoryed Do you realise the church has been hood winked? The term Godhead has been conjured up to mean three divine beings. This is NOT the case. All three versus that talk of the Godhead in the New Testament mean the Father being the Godhead. EGW also reiterates the bible here is what she says.... “The Godhead is the Father he is the supreme divine being of the universe; the primary source. In his bodily form, He sits upon the throne of the universe, and from that position can direct all the affairs of heaven. But God has a Son who is “next in authority to the great lawgiver” review and Herald 12-17-72 In the heavenly courts, in his ministry for all created beings; through the beloved Son, the Fathers life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, a tide of love, to the great source of all. Desire of Ages pg 21...And you cant describe the Godhead? The bible is clear on who it is! Please read them for yourself Acts 17:29 Rom 1:20 and Col 2:9. The Fathers Spirit was in his Son reconciling the world to himself. God was in Jesus by his omnipresence. It was NOT someone else called god the Holy Spirit. You will not find this term that trinitarian churches often speak of any where in the bible or SOP!
Not at all. “The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality.” UL 367 He is God in one sense, but not in regard to his identity. This will be more documented in part 2.
he is the Alfa and Omega. Amen yes He is God clever people will understand who is Jesus Christ! The King of kings, ...yes I love Him rather than believe in those people that they are part of religious groups under authorisation og the beast 😊 no way I believe Walter Veith with the Biblie in action . Amen 😊
I have followed Walter Veith and yourself for 5-10 years and there has always been a level of harmony(you were both my " 2 witnesses" along with Doug Batchelor. When I saw this excerpt of Walter - I was disappointed for him, then immediately concerned for those who follow him. On that note I wanted to offer my prayers for Walter and his followers that they may see the errors of their ways, that God may touch their hearts and rebuke them that they may be saved. Please be assured that you have my full support in the position that you have expressed : harmony can be found in the bible, EG,WHite and the pioneers regarding the "catholic trinity". Walter seems to have taken the steps that Kellog took. Again the word of God is fulfilled - "even the very elect will be deceived." It was for this very situation when I left Catholicism, I joined no new church- not to jump from the hot coals into a fire. Having reviewed God's word for myself- Walter Veith is in error(See Jn1:14,Jn1:18,Jn3:18,Heb 11:17) The measure of the fruit of the tree was evident in this video: I thought the SDA church was God's church, not Walter Veith's. The last person I heard referring to their church as their own was Pope Francis. "For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks." (Psa 18:27) There was no expression of love for those whom he(Walter) thinks are in error- are they not to be saved? What about JW? are they to be condemned and not called out of Babylon? The teachings of the trinity- is history repeating itself. It's teachers are those who are, and will be intolerant to Christian fundamentalists viz the pope et al.(surprised Walter is in there with the Justinian code: believing in a trinity, but with the subtext of "not the catholic pagan trinity." If there ever was a straw man, then this is the Wicker man. "The troubles of my heart are enlarged: O bring thou me out of my distresses."(Psa 25:17) Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the Father. David, your presentation with it's explanation and citations has resonated within my heart and I know that which you have shared to be true. More importantly the way you have conducted yourself has been commendable: led by the Spirit of God and guided by the angels you have presented with an eloquence and integrity that reflects the love God which he has for us all. God be with you. Ivan -TheLoudCry
Amen brother Ivan, thank you for sharing all of this. And I pray for Walter as well, that he may be convicted by God's love for Him in giving him His only begotten Son. Blessings, David.
Great work. Walter is a great advocate for God and he has taught me a lot but he is totally wrong on this issue and as you quite rightly point out the original pioneers did not teach this. Walter is an ex Catholic and thus I suppose - as the saying goes, once a Catholic always a Catholic.
If once a catholic always a catholic then none would be called out of her therefore all are going to hell. Shame on David for not calling that out. Not surprised being he uses the satanic sda logo and a AI generated pic of a young attractive petite EG White something she was not just more show that David is carnal minded. And should know better to use that logo unless he's a Jesuit.
Thank you Brother David for these videos. [Christ] "Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he [God] at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" Heb.1:4,5
I am so confused. I was recently introduced to the Unitarian doctrine. I have difficulty wrapping my mind around this concept that Christ is begotten of God but we worship only one God. I feel almost an existential crisis 😢.
Don't be discouraged sister. God will continue to lead. My understanding is that the spirit of the Father dwells in His son. The Father is "True God", John 17:3. In worshipping the Son, we are acknowledging His Father as the one true God. Christ is the express image of His Father. I believe Unitarians reject Christ pre-existence.
thethirdangelsmessage.com/bible-study-series/17-who-is-god.php Go through the questions and answers in the study link carefully, and it will all be answered, the confusion will be gone.
Do an intense study of the spirit. It won't happen overnight, but you will start seeing a pattern. 2 Cor. 3, the last few verses; Paul explains that the Lord is that Spirit. Every opening of the epistles begins with a salutation giving glory to God the Father, and our Lord, Jesus Christ; never mentioning the Spirit Being. 1 Cor. 11 gives us the headship of God-Father, then the Son, then man and woman. No holy Spirit Being in this headship. Where is the 3rd Being's throne if He is also in the Godhead.? 🤔 Why is it not mentioned with the Father and Son on the earth made new in Rev. 21? Where did He go? From Genesis to Revelation you will get a clearer understanding. Dont put your trust in man. Let the Spirit of the Lord guide you to all truth, Thy word is truth 🙏. His Remnant have to have the Everlasting Gospel to preach to the whole earth, not another gospel cooked up by Satan through the great Whore of Babylon, the Antichrist.
@@internet6695 yes they do. When they said that it felt like I was being ripped out of the arms of my Savior. It really tore me up. Of course now after reading Colossians 1:15 I don't believe them.
Jesus is eternal because he is his own Father - "The everlasting Father" - who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as his own Son.
*1 TIMOTHY 3:16 (KJV)* _And without controversy _*_great_*_ is the _*_mystery_*_ of godliness: _*_GOD was manifest in the flesh,_*_ justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory._
Hmmmm....."My God, My God...why has Thou forsaken Me?" The Son crying out to His Father from the cross as He was dying for the sin of the world. Jesus is the Son of Jehovah. Study your Bible more deeply....the whole book 📖. God and His Son created this world and all that is in the heavens and earth, Genesis 1.
@@debracollins4756 The Father "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as his own Son, so that he could lay down his own life (i.e, forsake himself) for us. That's the _self-sacrificial_ love of the Father. Any doctrine asserting the Father and the Son are two different persons results in a father who is guilty of the abomination of child sacrifice.
Will you put your faith in the loving, *_self-sacrificing_* Father (who revealed his name to be JESUS, the name which is above _every_ name) or an evil, *_other-sacrificing_* "Father"?
At the very opening of this video, Walter Veith speaks contrary to Ellen White. I cannot understand what has gotten into so many of our leaders that they will ignore even what she says! Yes, Ellen White says plainly that Jesus was both Uncreated _and_ created--which Veith opposes in the first few seconds of this segment. -------- The work of God's dear Son in undertaking to link the created with the Uncreated, the finite with the Infinite, in his own divine person, is a subject that may well employ our thoughts for a lifetime. This work of Christ was to confirm the beings of other worlds in their innocency and loyalty, as well as to save the lost and perishing of this world. He opened a way for the disobedient to return to their allegiance to God, while by the same act he placed a safeguard around those who were already pure, that they might not become polluted. {RH January 11, 1881, Art. A, par. 3} -------- The Bible agrees that Jesus was "created." Look at Proverbs 8:22 (which Ellen White explicitly applies to Christ), Hebrews 10:5, and even John 3:16. Psalm 2:7 says of him: "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." According to the Bible, there was a day when the Son was begotten. Regarding the references to A. T. Jones, I do not consider him to be reliable on this issue. He also used the term "God the Son"--and this well before his apostasy was recognized. Rather than the words of uninspired men, let us find our answers in the Word of God.
I've watched 4 minutes. You are saying something Veith is not saying. You are saying that Veith is talking about the Trinity when in fact what he is saying in that little clip you put up he is drawing a line at making Jesus Who the Bible says existed before everything, is a mere created being. This is a Jehovah's Witness teaching, not a Biblical one. I know that this is the last days because the falling away is happening and so too is the shaking.
But Peter said, Ananias, *why hath satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost* and to keep back part of the price of the land? So they, *being sent forth by the Holy Ghost* departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus. Whereof *the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us* for after that he had said before, “But *he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost* hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:” “For *the Holy Ghost shall teach you* in the same hour what ye ought to say.” Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, *through the power of the Holy Ghost* “But *ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you* and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” Wherefore *as the Holy Ghost saith* Today if ye will hear his voice, “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:” “That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.”
John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Jesus Is Equal with God Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. The Authority of the Son Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Ephesians 3: 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Hebrews : 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Funkel Wagner's dictionary defines humanism and this should make anyone with a conscious think especially those who work for human resources The word Humanism it says "A religious movement, emphasizing faith in man instead of belief in the super natural, in the United States it has arisen from uniteriasm " (welcome to the United church and the United Nations)" it is spreading to the liberal religious groups. Humanism a name applied to the literary movement at the close of the middle ages towards the revival of the pagan learning of classical antiquity. The humanists divided into two divergent schools of which sought to be ingrafted on the classical learning of the tree of Christianity while the other endevour to revive the literature of the classical antiquity and pagan spirit of the ancient heathen cults. Humanitarianism affirm the humanity and holy deny the divinity of Christ, believe in the perfectability of man or profess the religion of humanity. In modern usage philanthropic people are called by the name". That is pretty direct, so when we find organisations like the world health organization you will find that philanthropic people like Bill Gates would be part of that. And when you are on that broad and spacious road to the devil and distruction will bill you at the gate because it is a toll road. All those that who seek the National treasure, but do you know what that natural treasure really is ? He is storing the concept of legal value and looking after it for all those who tax and control it under a legal state debtor surname of paganism for those who deny the divinity of Christ. And that my friends is why these trinitarians change wordings in the bible, also inserting human, and human beings into versions of the bible. It was there aim, if there were a bible then we would only have one bible, an interpretation of truth, not versions pushing humanism and Person's which is from the Greek word Kanah which is one with a title especially a surname, and these trinitarian theorists come up with such convelesent ways to deny the true essence of the loving creator and his son Jesus Christ.
As l listen to you, I seem to be getting more confused than enlightened. I have been watching prof veith for years and he has helped me alot in my walk with the Lord Jesus. I ve never heard him suggest that there is no Godhead. The pioneers at first did not understand the subject of the Godhead but as light was given to them,they changed their view. I'm getting the message that you do not believe in the Godhead from your speaking. Becareful about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 4: 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
The Godhead was not mentioned in this study. The issue of this study had to do with whether or not Christ was the Son of God. This has to do with how the Trinity destroys the love of God. I understand that the Trinity keeps us in confusion on these matters. I pray that you can see beyond that and begin to see the expression of your Father's love in giving His only begotten Son. Blessings, David.
Monogenes carry both meanings: Only begotten and only unique In Genesis 22:2 Is Isaac, Abraham's only(monogenes) son? No, he had Ishamael first before Isaac. The word "only" here means unique in a sense that Isaac carry something unique compared to Ishmael. Just like how Jesus is unique son of YHWH compared to others who are called sons of god. Unique in a sense that he is the son of God before the creation of all things, the son of God who is with God from eternity.
Isaac is the "Only begotten son, of whom the promise was made". Context is key. It really means "the only born son of whom the promise was given". Abraham did not have another born son of whom the promise was made. It deosn't mean "Only Unique" in that instance at all.
@@davidbarron2153 well, that is what unique about Isaac compared to Ishmael. That the promised seed is through Isaac. That differentiates Isaac from other sons of Abraham, Abraham had many sons. As I said before, it carries both meaning.
@@BrookDesHarnais I am saying that monogenes in Hebrews 11 means "ONLY BORN" and not "Unique". Isaac was the ONLY BORN(MONOGENES) Son of whom the promise was made. Ishmael doesn't fit that bill.
@@BrookDesHarnais Hebrews 11:17-18 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, (18) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: This verse is often used to deny that Christ was the literal born Son of God. The verse is used to say that “only begotten” is not to be taken literally since Abraham had begotten more sons than just Isaac. In fact Ishmael was his firstborn and therefore this shows that Abraham had more than one “begotten son”. But the fact is God didn’t even acknowledge Ishmael when he was born. The verse in question is normally not read with verse 18. With verse 18 it reads “only begotten son, of whom it was said…” There is more to this story. Paul clarifies in the book of Romans that the child is the only begotten son of whom the promise was made. Romans 9:7-10 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. (8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (9) For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. This verse clarifies what is meant by the words in verse 18 of Hebrews 11. That “Of whom it was said, In Isaac shall thy seed be called”. He was the child of promise. And this is the child of faith. Understanding that Isaac was the only begotten of whom the promise was made is important. But I’d like to look at something a little deeper. Abraham made a few mistakes in his life. He thought that the fleshly seed Ishmael would be the child of promise, trying to fulfill the promise by his own works. He took another woman at his wife’s command and then had a child outside of the marriage. But Abraham made another mistake trying to fulfill the promise before Ishmael. He had a servant named Eliezer. Genesis 15:2-3 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? (3) And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. Abraham wanted to make Eliezer his servant to be his son, and his heir. He wanted to spiritualize away the promise of God. But God answered him quickly as Isaac was to be a type of Christ, the Son of God: Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. In other words, Abraham was trying to spiritualize the literal father-son relationship by choosing Eliezer as his son and heir. But God said no. The son that was to fit as the promised seed had to proceed from the bowels of Abraham. It had to be a literal Father-Son relationship. This was a representation of God and Christ. Christ in discussing the issue of who the children of God had taken issue with the Pharisees who had said “we have one Father, even God.” There is no denying that God has children by adoption, however the bible teaches that Christ is not a son by adoption, neither is he a son by creation, but he is a son begotten of the Father. “The firstborn of every creature, For by him were all things created”(Col 1:15, 16) And here is the reply to the Pharisees. Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. The words describe his origin and his relationship to the Father. In other words, that’s my literal dad that you call your father, I came forth from him, from his own bowels. In Micah 5:2 we read “Whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting”. The Hebrew word in that text for “goings forth” is “origin”. His origin or beginning is from everlasting or eternity. In the same sense in Proverbs 8:23-25 he was “setup from everlasting…brought forth”. The old English for begotten is “brought forth”. Also termed “Goings forth” as well as “proceeded forth”. All these texts say the same thing. Further in John we find another account where someone tries to spiritualize away the literal relationship of the Father and Son. Jesus says: John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. And this was something that took the apostles a while to believe, however, they realized this wasn’t a proverb, or a metaphor, or a spiritualistic father-son relationship, but he literally came forth from the Father. John 16:29-30 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. (30) Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. He’s not speaking in proverbs or metaphors. What does it mean to be the only begotten son? Is it a metaphor as many today teach, or did God really give a son to the world. If we believe this to be a metaphor, we are making God a liar. 1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. But the fact is “God cannot lie”, he really did give His son. And this is eternal life to believe it.(John 3:16) 1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. The begetter is the Father, the begotten is the Son. And to deny this is to deny the love that was shared between the Father and Son before the world was. Entire churches are built on denying this truth: “The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church…” Handbook for Today’s Catholic, p. 11. That is the foundation of Babylon. 1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. The foundation of the church of Christ is as follows: Matthew 16:15-18 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? (16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. (17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. This is what the church is built on. According to Paul the church is called “the church of the firstborn” not the “church of the co-eternals”. Hebrews 12:22-23 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, (23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
All I can say is that Scripture shows us Eve was brought forth from Adam's rib. It tells us Jesus is the true, only begotten Son of God and in some way we can't quite understand. But I compare that to what God shows me in the Bible about Eve and believe it is 'similar' to how God was able to bring Jesus forth. But NO WAY, did the 3-1 god(s) have a meeting eons ago and decide who was going to be which role. That's what I heard Adventist leadership say! That completely does away with Jesus, our Savior. No real Son. No Savior. S Steve Wohlberg said recently in a video that the 1 true God movement is growing all over the world. Praise God. And what does Acts 5:38 say?? (Speaking about the Apostles and the early growth of the church) 38And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. DO THE TRINITARIANS REALLY KNOW WHO THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST?? I tried to be nice.
Why are you attacking Veith? He is saying Jesus is the Son of God. You are contradicting yourself. Thank heaven for Pastor Veith, beware the subtle deception of others.
18:27 She has to be talking about his earthly birth. The Jews couldn't mock him for the circumstances of his heavenly birth. But they could do so in reference to Mary, whom they would have accused of fornication. Also, what I don't quite understand: Do you believe, that Jesus is Yahweh? And if so, in what sense, and if not, is he a 2nd god, like Jehovah's Witnesses believe? Also, monogenes was translated as unigenitus (only begotten) to the Vulgate. But the earlier Latin translations say unicus, which means unique or one and only. Also, Jesus is called the monogenes theos (unique god) instead of monogenes hyios (unique son) in the earliest manuscripts of John 1:18. If Jesus is a begotten god instead of the unique God, don't we have 2 gods?
7:20 Jesus was in fact made by God. It says it right in the scriptures... Hebrews 1:4-5 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
You are confused sir about Walter Veith. He is a man called by God, I don’t think you are because true Christian’s do not muddle others names and reputations before knowing them and talking to them first. This is solely your opinion, not guided by the Holy Spirit.
The God head. What is the God head. Is it 3 person? Is it one person, is it 2 person? 😊. When I read Roman’s 1 verse 20, it have me to reflect back in creation. So let’s look into genesis. Genesis 1:2. Let’s look at the word God here. What it means, also spirit. God אֱלֹהִים. El. Elohim etc. Spirit: רוּחַ, ruach. If we read this carefully with the Hebrew writings, it is not indicating the Holy Spirit as a separate person/ individual as spirit here that moves. Look into it my friends. And the spirit of God/ and the power of God. And the breath of God/ and the nature of God/and the wind of God/ etc. It is not saying the Holy Spirit of God as a separate person who move. 😊 let’s look further down in Genesis. If Roman’s 1:20 talk about creation. Then we must see the God head in creation. Let’s dive. Let us look at his crowing creation. Genesis 1:26. Carefully examine. God said, let US MAKE MAN, in OUR IMAGE, in OUR LIKENESS. Who is God talking to? How many person God speaking to? 😮 if creation week doesn’t say exactly who God speaking to and how many, then, creation itself should at least explain when he/ they are finish creating same place in genesis 1. Let’s look further down. Genesis 1:26-27. Image, likeness. God has dominion. God made man to have dominion on earth. Genesis 1:27. God create man in his own image in the image of God create he him. How many?😮 3? 1? How many person was created in the blue print ? 2. Man. Male and female he create them. God create family, establish the perfect marriage. Both of them. Male and female. I believe this symbolize the God head. Also we have a twin institution. Marriage and the sabbath. Two. We see also Abraham and his son. Two. And the long list goes on. Now the question you may ask me, who is the holy spirit? I would answer with a question, are you sure the holy spirit is a 3rd person separate from the father and son? I know you will jump to John 16. Also the baptism of Jesus. Even though the Bible say he, do you think it’s a 3rd person that actually came ?😮 let’s look in acts 2 when the Holy Ghost came. Verse 4. Was it a person that came? Acts 1:8. 2 Timothy 1:6-7. It is clear to me that the Holy Spirit is associate as power. In other parts. Water. Rain. Oil. Etc. In allot of context things are personalize, refer to as he, yet is not a male or female, or a person. I have one more because this is getting long. Revelation 5:13-14. How many person in the God head every creature worship? 1? 2? Or 3? Check it. The Bible is clear that we must worship God only. Luke 4:8. John 4:24. Exodus 20:1-3. Etc. I am afraid Roman Catholic , Pentecostal, and the long list of denominations within Christianity is commuting idolatry😮. I will study this topic some more prayerfully. But this has been reveal to me this far. No one teach me or anything. It is 2. Not 3. Not 1. I also examine the sanctuary message. Observe sister white writing. She shed little light on the topic. Again. Sister white doesn’t consist all things. This topic is a serious and delicate one. But plz feel free to message me. Thanks😊
👁️✝️🛐👁️🩸👑🕯️🍞💧⚖️🌡️😡🌪️🌋👀👂🙏⏳, Genesis means beginning John 1:-1,5, 7,8,10,11--13,14-18,34,36 ; O how humans underestimate God, His Word=His Commandments=His Light= His Character =Jesus Christ =begotten (Birth)(Beginning) (Bloodline)= God's Blood , Jesus Christ came from His Father & His Father's Blood, God's Blood in Jesus Christ came with His Own Blood of/from God, Mary was only a vessel, Jesus Christ God Sent with His Blood so that Jesus Christ would Not have to have any born into sin blood in Him . I've watched his videos over and over and have never heard him say Jesus Christ is "not" The Son of God , I have heard him say Jesus Christ is divine (I believe this also) , he has said KJV Bible John 10:30 where Jesus Christ Says " I and My Father Are One " , & Veith says God & Jesus Christ Character, but I have Never heard Veith take away from the fact Jesus Christ Is The Only Begotten Son of God, in Fact he points out in Scripture each time God Said So with His Own Voice, Veith also points out that Jesus Christ Is The Holy Spirit , so that makes the "trinity theory" Veith is supposed to be saying here null and void because God Almighty, Jesus Christ Holy Spirit = Two ! Not three . I have an idea, why don't You invite himself to explain it to you on your channel, I'm sure he would
David, you are too concerned with Walter Veith and with your own understanding of the Trinity. I personally feel that human words used to explain this greatest of universal mysteries are limited to human understanding, therefore incapable of truly explaining the essence of God. The only way we can understand this mystery now, in our sinful nature, is by accepting in faith that it explains God's plan to save man. God being all-knowing of course knew that man would someday sin and would be worthy of death, and God in His love decided to create the Plan of Salvation, before any created beings existed, including the angels. Since no created being could be in the presence of God without being automatically destroyed, an intermediary was "brought forth" to communicate with the angels, but even the angels did not comprehend this mystery - proof of this is EGW to whom it was revealed that the Father had to admonish the angels that Michael, "Jesus", the "Angel of the Lord", had to be obeyed as God himself, which kindled Lucifer's jealousy. EGW also wrote that we would spend eternity learning about this Plan of Salvation, so I believe we will someday know more, and fully realize the "infinite cost" to God of this plan, for starters, we do know that Jesus is forever in a human body now, this should begin unraveling this mystery.
many fools around. Well its very clear since many years that begotten (gr. prototokos) was a title used these days. God gave this title also to david. Its not a biological term, its a title...
is christ a created being ... as you sda members say let scripture define it self ... 3 berves that say that he is ... Col 1:15 (KJV) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 3:10 (KJV) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Rev 3:14 (KJV) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; jesus was created in the beginning of the creation of god what was created in the beginning of the creation of god? the light in day 1 was created ... Rev 21:23 (KJV) And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. John 1:6-9 (KJV) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. John 3:19 (KJV) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 2Cor 4:6 (KJV) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. jesus was the first created being and was with the father ... the light was the first creation that the father created in day 1 ... and jesus saw it all from the beginning ... Prov 8:22-31 (KJV) The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Walter veith never said Jesus wasnt begotten.he said he wasnt created like the angels were.in the beginning was the word.the word was with God and the word was God.the bible doesnt tell us some things so its best not to speculate.there are 3 in heaven that bear record
Correct Jesus came in sinful body but He didn't sin ! He came to save us humans not the angels , He overcame the temptation of the devil on the cross and He did the at atornament with His own blood , 🙌 to save us from death..then after He back in heaven to the Father He is our Master, and in His name we ask to the Father in paryers whatever we need in His name Jesus Christ, The Eternal Seviour, The Redemer 🙌🙌🙌🙌 Our Father , Sovereign of the Univers and our Sovereign gave His Begotten Son Jesus Christ to suffer for us , The Lamb of God Jesus Christ , The torch of our Heavenly Father 🙌🙌🙌 Gloryfy His name Praised be the Name of our Father and of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen
Read Revelation 3:12! Who called Jesus four times "my God" Would a Triune God do something like this? Read 1 Corinthians 8:6. All others are wrong teachings!!!
No, Jesus is god: Acts 9:13-14,17: "Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. ... And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
Amen🙏🏼 Well elaborated, glory unto our heavenly Father, the One True Living God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. KJV Isaiah 8:19-20 19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. KJV 2 John 1:7, 9-11 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God-speed: 11 for he that biddeth him God-speed is partaker of his evil deeds. KJV Galatians 1:8 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
It is so sad that even the "unclean spirits" know better that Jesus is the Son of God than Pastor Veight. In Mark 3:11 we read, I quote, "And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God." If Jesus were not the literal Son of God but a metaphorical son, as they claim, pretending that He is the Son of the Creator and His Father pretending to be His Father, rest assured these fallen angels would have cried aloud from the rooftops exposing God to be a liar, that He is not the Father of Christ since He does not have a Son; but not so! I hate to call these hireling shepherds "wolves in sheep clothing"; but, I am afraid, he seems to be one of them who either does not understand Scripture, or is deliberately misleading his watchers and hearers and takes them down the road of perdition.
@@canadiancontrarian3668 Pastor Veight does not believe or perhaps deliberately denies that Jesus is the literal Son of God. The unclean spirits, the Son of God having been their Commander in Chief in the beginning, knew exactly who He really was, which Veight so wehemently denies. Even the Pharisees, scribes, high priests, priests and rabbis knew and believed that God has a literal Son, but they did not believe it was Him. How could they have accepted Jesus, someone born - according to them - of a prostitute and being a poor man who did not come in great pomp into this world as they hoped for? This they did not expect and welcome; in fact, this crushed their expectation and hope of being exalted before their people even higher.
The following scriptures tell us when Jesus begin to exist as the Son of God. And I will post the scriptures that state that he was fore-ordained. Luke 1 34¶Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35¶And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. 1 Peter 1 18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
If you think that antitrinitarian possition held by portion of a church in its start proves that they are right then you should also reconsider sunday, pork and other ideas that they held.
If Jesus would be God, than he have not could Die it would be a big Theatre! Would a Triune God do something like this!? Read 1 Corinthians 8:6!! All others are wrong teachings!
@@williamhartweg6935 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, *being in the form of God* thought it not robbery to be *equal* with God: *But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men* And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; {Philippians 2:5-10}
For many years I have followed Walter Veith's video-series. I have noticed his trinitarian belief, but I have ignored it. But what he manifested in this video shocked me. This is not a Christian attitude at all. His belief is antibiblical and antichristian. Although I totally agree with David Barron, I hate repetitions.
Arianism was as late as the fourth century. There weren't any 'Arian tribes' and there was no war or genocide. Please don't teach when you haven't studied. You are misleading people about the history of the church.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism You'll find some of the history on this page. I'm afraid that you do not know or understand the history. The Visigoths were uprooted in 508AD because of their Arian beliefs. I documented that as well as the Justinian Code in 538ad regarding the Trinity and noone being allowed to publicly speak against it. Watch again if you need to. Blessings, David.
@@davidbarron2153 Wikipedia isn't an acceptable source. There were no Arian tribes. No Arian tribes were killed in a genocide for their beliefs. It's not something you can argue with. Facts simply are.
Pioneers prior tō 1898 were in error regarding the Holy Spirit, and the nature of Christ, and the Father. Your reasoning is error, just as Veith's theology is also error. Also your presentation is monotonous by the way you speak. You need tō pause, and speak with clarity. Your teaching is as dangerous as is Walter Veith's teaching. Both of you guys are lying.
Feel free to comment below regarding this issue of Christ's sonship and what your thoughts are regarding the intolerance that these leaders have towards those who believe in a REAL Father and Son. Remember also, Be nice. BLessings, David.
I have been wanting you to make a video about this subject. I've prayed for it. I was a bit taken aback on his teaching of the trinity. It will never make sense to me. I believe as you do. I will continue to pray about this and look forward to the next video. I will share this with others and watch it with my husband tonight. Thank you so much brother David. Much love until next time. 🙏🙏🏼🙏🏾
@@collenaramsey3733 Amen, I'm sure this will be helpful. Another one coming next week as well with relation to the Divinity of CHrist and the Personality of God.
My husband and I saw this video together so we’ll explained. My husband said you’re right, he’s happy he believes like you. He says he can’t believe how the church has changed their beliefs and how they ignore our pioneers.
Jesus is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8. I think God can multiply and unite himself. Are there two Almighties? Will you join me to worship God in the new earth during his new moons and his sabbaths? Will you join me to worship the Lord Jesus after he has returned to this earth at his feast of tabernacles? I would love to strengthen your faith in the Lord Jesus and the old king James Bible is the best for every English speaker. Read Colossians 2:8,16,18 and Colossians chapter again with the help of the Holy Ghost. Those verses prove that the Colossian church and every Gentile church kept each holy day, each new moon, and each sabbath. They are a shadow of things to come. Eating pork and other abomination will cause you to be consumed and send you to hell. Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom. Do not worship God in vain by obeying the pope of Rome. Worship God in spirit and in truth and obey the Lord Jesus of the sabbath. Worship the Lord Jesus in his sabbaths, his new moons and his holy days. The everlasting gospel is to love God, give him glory, and worship him in love. The days of unleavened bread are approaching, Continue in the grace and love of God.
this was -one of- the best and most revealing video on the 'trinity' i've even seen, David.
thanks again for your wonderful word, Sir.
Thank you Pastor Vieth!!
Great video David. I left the ministry about two years ago to go and be a missionary. I have only recently come to the understanding of the Father and the Son. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
I made my "coming out" video just a few days ago. Feel free to watch it and give your opinion. Needless to say, I have upset a few people, but I had to do it.
I'm just glad I was not dependant on the church anymore. People don't understand, but in an unconscious level, it does influence your ability to make a decision.
I have tried everything to get some support from my Conference, Union and Devision, yet failed to get one cent. I could not understand that. Now I'm glad that God is our only true support.
They are blinded by Satan. Jesus is not God and nowhere is this found in the bible.
May God bless you !
“Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.”
John 17:24 KJV
"Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent." {Ellen White, 14MR 23.3}
BINGO !!!!
This quote from Spirit of prophecy proves that Jesus is the COMFORTER.
@@tahjbrown7471 Confirmed by 1 John 2:1.
@@rogeraak7281 Yeah the word "advocate" means Comforter according to the Greek concordance.
Description of Matthew 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER✅, AND OF THE SON✅, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST ✅:
Matthew 28:19 is Matthew didn't write IN THE NAME OF THE God ❌FATHER, AND God ❌ OF THE SON, AND God ❌ OF THE HOLY GHOST
let's break it down
⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪
of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit,
GOD THE FATHER
⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪
👉GOD THE FATHER ✅
📚According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚
👉GOD THE FATHER ✅
2 Peter 1:17 (KJV) For he received from 👉GOD THE FATHER✅honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The GOD of Son
⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪
👉The GOD of Son ❌
📚According to the Bible/The Word God 📚
👉The SON OF GOD ✅
Matthew 16:16 (KJV) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, 👉THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD ✅
The GOD of Holy Spirit
⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪
👉The GOD of Holy Spirit, ❌
📚 According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚
👉 THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD ✅
Ephesians 4:30 (KJV) And grieve not 👉THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD ✅, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪
👉Holy spirit is a God ❌
📚 According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚
John 4:24 (KJV) 👉GOD IS A SPIRIT ✅: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV) Now 👉THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT ✅: and where 👉THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD ✅ is, there is liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:18 (KJV) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as BY THE👉SPIRIT OF THE LORD.✅
John 20:22 (NET) And after he said this, 👉HE BREATHED ON them and said, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT✅
one in three, three in one
⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪
👉one in three, three in one ❌
📚According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚
John 17:3 (KJV) And this is life eternal, that they might know 👉THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD,✅and 👉JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT✅.
1 Corinthians 8:6-7 (KJV)
6 But to us there is 👉 BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER✅, of whom are all things, and we in him; and 👉ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST✅, by whom are all things, and we by him.
7 🚧🚨HOWBEIT THERE IS NOT IN EVERY MAN THAT KNOWLEDGE🚧🚨 ....
👉Not three in one and not one in three
John 10:30 (KJV) I and MY FATHER are ONE.✅
👉Not 3️⃣ in 1⃣☝and☝not 1⃣ in3️⃣ ❌
⛪According to The Trinity/the word of The church of Father Tertullian⛪
The God of Father co-equal❌
The God of Son co-eternal❌
The God of Holy Spirit co-existance❌
📚According to the Bible/The Word of God 📚
Co-equal
John 14:28 (KJV) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, 👉 I GO UNTO THE FATHER: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I ✅
👉Co-equal ❌
John 10:29 (KJV) 👉 MY FATHER, WHICH GAVE THEM ME, IS GREATER THAN ALL ✅ ; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
👉Co-equal ❌
1 Corinthians 15:28 (KJV) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall 👉THE SON ALSO HIMSELF BE SUBJECT UNTO HIM THAT PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL✅
👉Co-equal ❌
John 5:26 (KJV) For as the Father hath life in himself; 👉 SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF ✅;
👉Co-eternal ❌
👉Co-existance❌
👉Co-equal ❌
Co-eternal
John 8:42 (KJV) Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: 👉FOR I PROCEEDED FORTH AND CAME FROM GOD ✅; 👉 NEITHER CAME I OF MYSELF, BUT HE SENT ME ✅.
👉Co-eternal ❌
👉Co-existance❌
👉Co-equal ❌
John 15:26 (KJV) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, 👉EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, WHICH PROCEEDETH FROM THE FATHER,✅ he shall testify of me:
👉Co-eternal ❌
👉Co-existance❌
👉Co-equal ❌
John 16:7 (KJV) Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, 👉 I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU✅.
👉Co-eternal ❌
👉Co-existance❌
👉Co-equal ❌
John 20:22 (YLT) and this having said, 👉 HE BREATHED ON [THEM], ✅and saith to them, 👉 RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT ✅;
👉Co-eternal ❌
👉Co-existance❌
👉Co-equal ❌
If Christ created all things, he existed before all things. The words spoken in this regard are so clear that no one is left in doubt. Christ was God in his inherent nature, as well as in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, was God over all, and to him be praise, honour and glory for ever. EGW Bible commentary
The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from all eternity as a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the supreme glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly beings, and it was his right to receive the adoring homage of the angels. This was no robbery from God. [Proverbs 8:22-27 quoted]
He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together....
Seems pretty plain. Satan is sending division.
You are improperly dividing the Word to prove yourself right.
Pastor Vieth said, "if Jesus has become a **CREATED BEING** than please go and join the Jehovah Witness and don't bother this church anymore." Although Pastor Vieth seemed harsh in the clip you shared, what he said is right. To worship created beings is sin. David you should know this. It is not a "strawman" argument. Romans 1:25 says, " Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen." Scripture and Sister White state repeatedly Jesus is worthy of our worshiped thus it's impossible for Him to be a created being! I am curious, do you believe Jesus is a created being?
God bless everyone!
I don't think you listened to the clip did you! No he doesn't believe Jesus was created. It IS a straw man argument because he's putting emphasis on the created bit. In other words all non triniatarians believe Jesus was created. Its a ploy to antagonise trinitarians to be against non trinitarians without studying it for themselves.
@@gregkingston4913
Inconsistency is the calling card every false doctrine.
Anti-trinitarian is a dividing spirit and a malfeasance to the body of Christ.
@@larrybedouin2921 The trinity doctrine has already divided the church from the church many years ago in 1946 when this heinous pagan doctrine was introduced by Leroy Froom a jesuit priest who infiltrated our church. Have you done your research? You call it inconsistency, how so? If you've studied your bible you would only find two divine beings and THEIR united Spirit that comes to us not someone called god the Holy Spirit! The Holy Spirit is NOT a seperate entity from God the Father or his Son. It is THEIR divine Spirit. We all have a spirit. Our spirit is who we are, it is our very being and personality. Its the same with God and his Son except their Spirit is Holy and it can be omnipresent. This is how father and Son while physically in heaven come to us united in their Spirit ACTING like a third person.
Hard to say what his answer will be being he speaks out of both sides of his mouth.
@@larrybedouin2921 The TRUTH is dividing! Ask for the old paths that ye may walk therein. Most adventists do not want to do this! For the old paths that our pioneers walked in was Non trinitarian! The church in 1946 divided themselves from the truth and went on a slippery slope with a three god being that makes one God nonsense!
The only Begotten Son of God, stepped down selflessly, to be one with us, the great Conqueror, the Sword of God our Father. Christ Conquered sin, death and the devil. Flesh and blood sits on high above all the universe and we too with him, our Good Shepherd, Wonderful Councilor, Comforter, Holy Spirit, Spirit of Truth...our all in all. Our blood Brothers glorified body in Heaven and his Spirit on earth is the pledge of our Salvation. Let me be yoked with you, our everlasting father, pressing on forward and upward, carrying my cross, despising the shameful life of old in sin, that you my Lord and King, change this carnal mind, transform and renew it a spiritual mind, that old not fulfil the lusts of the flesh, may I grow in grace and knowledge of knowing you more, Almighty Father, the One True God and your only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, our High Priest and Mediator in your living Temple not made with hands. God be the Glory, Father to All, sacrificing All, for those you Loved, that you can be All in All, through the life imputed and imparted, upon all who believe and accept, the only Begotten, Born of God, Jesus Christ our Tree of Life, Life and Love, the last Adam, the quickening Spirit, our new Heritage born again from above, our Good Shepherd, our friend.
John 3:3-6
3 Jesus answered and said to him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born anew he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus says to him, How can a man be born being old? can he enter a second time into the womb of his mother and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except any one be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit
Colossians 1:15-23
The Preeminence of Christ
15 He is the image of jthe invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or ndominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace yby the blood of his cross.
21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, adoing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled bin his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and dabove reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, fstable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed hin all creation7 under heaven, iand of which I, Paul, became a minister
Romans 6:3-7
3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin
2 Corinthians 5:12-20
We are not commending ourselves to you again but giving you cause to boast about us, so that you may be able to answer those who boast about outward appearance and not about what is in the heart. For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised. From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
Hebrews 1:1-4
The Supremacy of God's Son
1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs
Before anything was ever Created, even the Universe. Jesus Christ came out of the Eternal Fathers bosom, meaning he was begotten, not created. The Father was first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christs personality had a beginning." Thats how God The Father Created all things through his Son. They are two, yet little short of being identical, two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character.
One in Purpose, mind, and character
That's catholic
@@maranathasam Can you then Elaborate. What do you mean that's Catholic. That what was said is not at all Catholic. It's Only Truth, read it very carefully again and with openness of mind.
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:5 KJV
Before the world was, david not saying Jesus wasn't before the world was. We don't know when cuz bible dooes not give exact time frame. The bible does say begotten from the father. Jesus could have been begotten in less than 30min. We don't know, we don't need to know. We only need to know: God the Father, Son of God and Spirit of God. Not trinity. The Godhead is Father and Son and Spirit is the Godhead.
@@susangoodman2832The Son of the God always existed, as Arhanghel Mihail , as The Angel of the Lord in old Testament, it is identity Jesus Christ he come in flash 👏
I have been a SDA for years and never realized when the church say "Third person" they meant what they meant.
I only realized it recently and was VERY shocked to realize the church believes in the Trinity as the Catholics.
I have never seen the Holy Spirit as a separate "being"
Neither did the pioneers if you study it yourself.
But has ALWAYS seen it as God and Jesus' Spirit that is in all angles, people and created beings that lead us to God and in truth and give us life.
Trinity=Sunday=Antichrist
GodHead=Sabbath=True God
You cant mix these up.
If the Holy Spirit is a different "person" why isn't He mentioned in Rev 1:1 as a person?(He must have been 3rd in heaven in rank then?)
or in Rev 22:3 He doesn't sit on the throne with God and Jesus.If the Holy Spirit is a person surely in the end He will be on the thone as well as a'person' then to be honoured as well?
The Bible never mention that.
I hear you get voted out of chuch for not believing in the trinity?Yet they are ok with abortion in our official church letter.Maybe we should read our Bibles and SOP ourselves rather than listening to leaders in the church then Gods Holy Spirit can convince us instead of wrong teachings of men.
Always remember it was church leaders that crucified Jesus with Rome and leaders will lead you astray in the end times as well.
Praise God someone with truth..
"You have never see the holy spirit as separate being " end of quote can you explain this bible verses from for better understanding please read Mathew 12:31-32,John14 :16-18,26, John 15:26.
Brother David, wonderful study, I look forward to Part 2, Happy Sabbath. May the Peace and Wisdom of Jesus Christ be with you always, Amen; I would also like to ask for prayers for brother Walter Veith; His series 'Total Onslaught' brought me to the Truth and Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the True living God, Jehovah, Amen. Peace
I agree brother Henry, may God enlighten our brother Walter Veith and may his eyes be opened to the precious love of a real Father who paid a huge price in giving His only begotten Son for him.
The Hebrew word for “whose goings forth” is used one other time in the Bible, 2 Kings 10:27. So it is impossible to know exactly what this phrase means. There is no way to cross reference it with other verses. Interestingly in Matthew 2:6 the writer quotes Micah 5:2 and tells us out of Bethlehem shall come the Governor (Messiah) of Israel! The significance of this verse to Mathew was not about the heavenly “origin” or “beginning” of God’s Son, but about how the ruler of God’s people would come from the little town of Bethlehem. The phrase “whose goings forth” is not a statement on how the pre-incarnate Christ came from non-existence to existence in “the days of eternity,” but a reference to ancient prophecies spoken a 1000 years earlier (see Gen. 49:10), telling us the Messiah’s origin would come from the tribe of Judah.
Happy Sabbath my friend!
I love Walter Veith, clever man...
Unfortunate though of his stance on the trinity!
He’s a man called by God, brilliant.
Yes however he's dead wrong about the trinity!
@@gregkingston4913 if the doctrine of papecy it is 3in1 being excuse me I don't trust the beast and little horn as all the religious who is under authority of the state, except the doctrine of the woman ( Chatolic Church) , so I don't trust chatolicism either the writings of Ellen White was changed by the Liders of the AZS etc...all of them are in the Apostasy as this man who doesn't agry with Walter Veith who is telling the truth and biblical teaches etc....
@@duhulsfantmaiubeste3173 Where do I say there are tree "three" Gods?
I cant believe that there are Adventists who claim to be "people of the book" yet fall into this heresy that Jesus was created or literally born. In John 8:58 Jesus says that He is the self existent ETERNAL GOD. No beginning and no end. If you believe that the Father created the Son to be the one to die for sin then you have heresy. What makes the gospel so powerful and true is that it was GOD who was on the cross.
And the idea of a deity (Father) creating or giving birth to a smaller lesser deity (Son) then you have paganism. I Stand with Walter Veith.
"I AM means an eternal presence; the past, present, and future are alike with God. He sees the most remote events of past history and the far distant future with as clear a vision as we do those things which are transpiring daily. We know not what is before us, and if we did, it would not contribute to our eternal welfare. God gives us an opportunity to exercise faith and trust in the great I AM.... Our Saviour says, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad” (John 8:56). Fifteen hundred years before Christ laid off His royal robe, His kingly crown, and left His position of honor in the heavenly courts, assumed humanity, and walked a man among the children of men, Abraham saw His day, and was glad. “Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am” (verses 57, 58)....
Christ was using the great name of God that was given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence. [See Exodus 3:14.] Isaiah also saw Christ, and his prophetic words are full of significance. He says, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). Speaking through him, the Lord says, “I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour.... Fear not: for I am with thee.... I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.... Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he.... I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King” (Isaiah 43:3-15).... When Jesus came to our world, He proclaimed Himself, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6)....
The Lord must be believed and served as the great “I AM,” and we must trust implicitly in Him.12Letter 119, 1895.
I cant believe there are intelligent SDAs who still cling to the hellish doctrine of the trinity when it is clear from SOP and the bible what the nature of God, His Son and the Holy Spirit is. Jesus said in John 14 regarding the comforter to come that they the disciples know him for he is with you. So how could they know the comforter if he hasn't come yet? He was obviously talking in third person terminology about himself coming as the comforter. He then says I WILL COME TO YOU. How will he come to us? In omnipresent form. Phil 1:19.. the supply of the Spirit of Christ. Romans 8:9-11 if you have not the Spirit of Christ you are none of his! Jesus said I would never leave you nor forsake you. No he is here united with his Fathers Spirit. It is their united Holy omnipresent Spirit that lives in us. Jesus said touch me for a spirit hath not flesh and bones. So what is a spirit? We all have a spirit for we were made in the Image of God. Our spirit is who we are, it is our very being and personality. It is the same with God and His Son except their Spirit is Holy and it is also omnipresent! They don't need someone called god the holy spirit to do their work. While physically in heaven they are with us by their omnipresence! Their spirit ACTS like a third person on earth!
@@gregkingston4913 Matthew 28:19-20 🤷♂ 1 Corinthians 12:11? 2 Corinthians 13:15?
Remember that Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as He and Him almost 20 times in John 14, 15 and 16. Matthew 4:1 Jesus was filled WITH the Holy Spirit and LED BY the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:26, 34 - The Spirit makes intercession for us AND Jesus.
"Christ, our Mediator, AND the Holy Spirit are constantly interceding in man's behalf, but the Spirit pleads not for us as does Christ who presents His blood, shed from the foundation of the world; the Spirit works upon our hearts, drawing out prayers and penitence, praise and thanksgiving." -Manuscript 50, 1900 (SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 6, on Romans 8:26, 34).
what is hellish is a system of interpretation that ignores the weight of evidence to produce a insulting doctrine that denies the eternal divine nature of Christ and the existence of the Holy Spirit as a personal divine separate Third Person of the Godhead.
Matthew 12:31-32,
Hebrews 9:14 - "how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL SPIRIT offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"
Hebrews 10:29 - " Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?"
It couldn't be more clear than this - "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio"
blessings to you Greg
@@ericfolks1503 The Spirit being HE is because it is Christ by his omnipresence. Wasn't my explanation of John 14 clear enough. What don't you understand about " YOU KNOW HIM FOR HE IS WITH YOU{ MEANING HIMSELF} AND THEN I WILL COME TO YOU. HOW BY HIS OMNIPRESENCE. Surely is not this clear enough? EGW also calls Jesus the comforter. 8 MR pg 57 Christ comes as a Comforter to all who believe.
E.G White Manuscript releases vol 19 pg 297,298 {1892} “As by faith we look to Jesus, our faith pierces the shadow, and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving Jesus the Comforter”
E.G White SDA bible commentary vol 6 pg 1076, 1077 {1894} “ But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.” Oh how precious are these words to every bereaved soul! Christ is our Guide and comforter, who comforts us in all our tribulations”
E.G White Review and Herald, Aug 26, 1890 par 10 “The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying” This is the way, walk ye in it”
Romans 8:9-11... if you have not the Spirit of Christ you are NONE of his! The three living persons of the heavenly trio is the Father, his Son and THEIR Spirit there is no third person. Jesus said a spirit hath not flesh and bones. Can a person spread himself out all over the world? If not then he this third person would need an omnipresent spirit. If Father and son are omnipresent what's the use for this third person? Do they just sit back in heaven and relax? No the united Spirit of God and his Son acts like a third person while they are physically in heaven!
I compare it to how our Father showed us how Eve was brought forth from Adam. Jesus was brought forth/begotten of God. Why else would God give us that in the Bible?
@@samsdaughterdehaven9990 you really need to watch the latest video by Ivor Myers about proverbs 8 and the begotten topic. blessings
Walter Veith was the person I watched and eventually became an Adventist.
Sorry, you just cut a declaration and do not show the complete context ...
The Adventist Review 1996 article depicts the plan of redemption as some sort of casual and superficial exchange.
When their 3 gods obliged to agreed roles, it paints such a shallowness if not irreverence to the God that is portrayed in our Bible.
And since they instruct us that it was a sort of theater, they must have record of such from scripture or at least from the pen of the prophetess.
Right?
Will the BRI unearth this 'story' from the incarcerated publications buried in the basement of the EGW estate?
Let's wait and see.
And why would their 3 co-equal gods even come up with a Father/ Son/ Spirit role playing relationship? ...So illogical.
If a triune god was such an unquestionable reality, why doesn't our Bible present their 3 gods as say... 3 brothers? Wouldn't that be more consistent and plausible?
And since it is explained to us as role play, my mind struggles immensely and looks for a illustration to somehow wrap my head around this conundrum of 'agreed upon' actors.
All I can come up with is? ...'the 3 musketeers'. As it was chimed... 'All for one and one for all'.
I choose to make fun of them, since they make fun of God.
In the end?...
Their mountain of lies has fabricated a farcical mockery of divinity.
Sadly, these are some of the logical conclusions that come from believing that God is three persons.
Well said.
Many who believe begotten means created or the two words has similar meaning fail to realize Jesus was the one who spoke the words of John 3:16 So if anyone knows what the word means is Christ himself because he says in John 16:27 “For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I CAME OUT from God.”Furthermore the New Testament didn’t exist at this time so they had the writing of Moses(law of Moses); Now look how Moses himself understood what begotten meant as he cried out to God in Numbers 11:11-12 “And Moses said unto the Lord, Wherefore hast thou afflicted thy servant? and wherefore have I not found favour in thy sight, that thou layest the burden of all this people upon me? [12] Have I CONCEIVED all this people? have I BEGOTTEN them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest i unto their fathers?” Does Moses uses the word as creating something or giving birth to? Here’s another one Judges 8:30-31 “And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body BEGOTTEN: for he had many wives. [31] And his concubine that was in Shechem, she also bare him a son, whose name he called Abimelech” it’s evident the Old Testament writers know what Begotten mean.
The Adventist Godhead and the Catholic trinity are very different doctrines.
The Godhead is not a triune membership of three beings. Godhead means divinity! Also the catholic and Adventist trinity is exactly the same!
@@gregkingston4913 The eternal Godhead-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost-is involved in the action required to make assurance to the human agent.”-Upward Look, 148.
I can count three. Seems very triune.
@@gregkingston4913 You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and the power of the three holiest beings in heaven, who are able to keep you from falling. 7MR 267.2
“The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the three holy dignitaries of heaven, have declared that they will strengthen men to overcome the powers of darkness.”-5 Bible Commentary, 1110. (Manuscript 92,1901).
Again I count three Beings.
Truth! Law was not created. Jesus was not created. Equal with Law not subject to it like EVERY CREATED BEING.
Sabbath blessings, brother David. Very well said. I'm looking forward to part two.
Coming next week God willing.
Amen! Jesus is a God who has a Father who is His God and His Father 🙏
Jesus is the Son of God. His Father is God.
@@davidbarron2153yes. Amen
God is one. God- Farher. And he has a one son- Jesus Christ❤
There is only one God, read the ten commandments again.
He is God in the sense of divinity and nature! But the Father is the One true God. John 17:3
@@gregkingston4913
“I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”
{John 10:11}
“I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.”
{John 10:14}
(A Psalm of David.) The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want...
{Psalm 23:1}
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
{Isaiah 9:6}
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
{Isaiah 43:11}
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God* and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
{Titus 2:13}
καὶ σωτήρ < "and Savior" is a conjunction/cumulative to the great God...
I believe you are not fair making your point but hiding the real context. After the Great Fiask many nominal adventist abandoned faith in frustration. Some started new groups putting new dates for Jesus coming, and others like the group where Jaime white, Ellen Harmon Gould, Urias Smith and others belonged they remained studying the Bible o discover where was the error. Among those people White, U.Smith and others were antitrinarian in their churches.
Ellen was a Methodist and a Trinitarian. J.White even after married wrote despectively about trinitarianism , it is right.
Ellen for several years didn’t talk about this issue as they were dealing with many other important issues. But in 1898 she started talking about Three person in Deity and she wrote it in her book that year: The Desire of Ages chapter 73.( after that You won't find more discussion from James about the issue. He accepted it as a Revelation) Besides in the same book DA chapter 86 she reafirmed the baptismal formula " In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit"
Relember she died in 1915 in very good mental health
>But in 1898 she started talking about Three person in Deity and she wrote it in her book that year: The Desire of Ages chapter 73.( after that You won't find more discussion from James about the issue. He accepted it as a Revelation) "
Three person in Deity is not a Cote from sister White. and SECOND : The Desire of Ages chapter 73.( after that You won't find more discussion from James about the issue. He accepted it as a Revelation) " WELL, JAMES WHITE was DEAD at that time he passt in 1881 . So he accepted nothing.
Below is the full quote shown at the 9:14 mark from the E.G.W devotional “This day with God Page” 128.2 “Angels were expelled from heaven because they would not work in harmony with God. They fell from their high estate because they wanted to be exalted. They had come to exalt themselves, and they forgot that their beauty of person and of character came from the Lord Jesus. This fact the [fallen] angels would obscure, that Christ was the only begotten Son of God, and they came to consider that they were not to consult Christ.”
E.G.W. states angels “would not work in harmony with God.” Apparently, they forgot the Lord Jesus was the Most High God, and their beauty and majestic attributes came from Him. Isaiah 14:14 says Lucifer wanted to be “like the Most High.”
Hello David, in which year were you born?
let us make man in our image /this examined/agrees with all you said brother
And in like manner Jesus was made in the express image of God. Better than the angels.
God expresses Himself as Father to unrestored man and we get consumed; God expresses Himself thru His Son and we behold His glory in visible flesh and got to know Him again. God expresses Himself in the Spirit and we experience His abiding presence till be get transformed back to His glory and can see Him again as Father without getting consumed. Thank you Lord for your Spirit that relates with us as a personality and we dare not grieve Him..
Jesus was made in the express image of the invisible God. It doesn't say God expressed himself through Jesus in the way you are saying this.
Wonderful work as usual David. God bless you!
Amen brother. May God and Christ be glorified.
Amen🙏🏼❤️❤️
We're either bowing our knee to Rome through the Trinity doctrine deception, compromise and Apostasy, Lord to have mercy, beloved brethren brother Walter Veith seems silencing liberty of conscience to suit, agitating error is also a means by the devil poised to force. So diabolical pretty much sounds the enemy within, there's more fear from within than from without. Let's watch unto prayer. Thanks so much for sharing beloved brethren brother David Barron.
As the storm approaches, a large class who have professed faith in the third angel's message, but have not been sanctified through obedience to the truth, abandon their position, and join the ranks of the opposition. By uniting with the world and partaking of its spirit, they have come to view matters in nearly the same light; and when the test is brought, they are prepared to choose the easy, popular side. Men of talent and pleasing address, who once rejoiced in the truth, employ their powers to deceive and mislead souls. They become the most bitter enemies of their former brethren. When Sabbath-keepers are brought before the courts to answer for their faith, these apostates are the most efficient agents of Satan to misrepresent and accuse them, and by false reports and insinuations to stir up the rulers against them. - GC88 608.1
KJV Revelation 14:9-11
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
KJV Revelation 13:4, 8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV Matthew 16:15-18
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
KJV John 17:3
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
KJV Matthew 4:3
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
KJV Revelation 12:7
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Amen.. read and examine the word, do not trust on your own understanding.. God bless you brother David..
Amen
I ask you David.. before going public, have you spoken with Walter Veith before going public? and also I think you both believe the same... english is not as precise as other languages, and he, who speaks, and understand creation being a professor of evolution turned a wonderful evangelist has certainly learned creation, and Jesus' birth... spoken with love, and I DO hope you spoke with Walter before going public, lest you are approaching this in a way that is not well, mildly, not right.
Walter did this publicly, and in the video has asked not to be bothered. So, God willing he will see the video and repent. I understand he teaches creation science, I like a lot of Kent Hovind's stuff on creation science, but for some reason some have the idea that we can't discuss what is public error. It really doesn't matter whether it is the Pope or JH Kellogg teaching pantheism, we are to "Meet it". And if it is being publicly proclaimed, we are to meet it publicly.
I will be sharing on this today, God bless, David.
@@thirdangelsmessage1669 thank you for your kind reply. He does not believe in pantheism.. He has shown on many videos the 'gods' of pantheism. Yes it was broadcasted, here is my thought: rather than putting him down, he does much for our movement, to talk with him personally, rather than publicly put him down. He does speak against pantheism. blessings
@@AlineLegault I've done a video on pantheism and showing that if you believe the Holy Spirit is a person you are a pantheist. The third part of my series will detail this.
Agree...error must be met head on! James 5:19-20. Matthew 18 has an order to follow when one is in error. So, I can see both sides. Even the Apostles had major disagreements but overcame and were unified. T= true R= righteousness U= unifies E= everyone TRUE 👍 ♥
Ho. Will you join me to worship God in the new earth during his new moons and his sabbaths? Will you join me to worship the Lord Jesus after he has returned to this earth at his feast of tabernacles? I would love to strengthen your faith in the Lord Jesus and the old king James Bible is the best for every English speaker. Read Colossians 2:8,16,18 and Colossians chapter again with the help of the Holy Ghost. Those verses prove that the Colossian church and every Gentile church kept each holy day, each new moon, and each sabbath. They are a shadow of things to come. Eating pork and other abomination will cause you to be consumed and send you to hell. Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom. Do not worship God in vain by obeying the pope of Rome. Worship God in spirit and in truth and obey the Lord Jesus of the sabbath. Worship the Lord Jesus in his sabbaths, his new moons and his holy days. The everlasting gospel is to love God, give him glory, and worship him in love. The days of unleavened bread are approaching, Continue in the grace and love of God.
Here are a few quotes from Ellen G. White that reflect her views on Christ's divinity and pre-existence:
1. **On Christ's Pre-existence:**
- "Christ was treated as we deserve, that we might be treated as He deserves." (The Desire of Ages, p. 25)
- "The Word was God. The Word was with God. The same was in the beginning with God." (The Signs of the Times, April 29, 1897)
2. **On Christ's Divine Nature:**
- "In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived." (The Desire of Ages, p. 530)
- "The Son of God was next in authority to the great Lawgiver." (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34)
3. **On the Relationship within the Godhead:**
- "The Father is the source of all life, and the Son is the only begotten of the Father." (The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 1, p. 20)
- "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-you are to be baptized." (Evangelism, p. 615)
These quotes illustrate her belief in the divine nature and pre-existence of Christ as well as the relationship within the Godhead.
The churchfathers couldn't figure out that the Father - who is a spirit ("God is a spirit") - is inside Jesus and is simply called "Holy Spirit" by Him (see the Jesus' sermon about the two blasphemies, directed to Son and Father). He helped Jesus in the desert and later when speaking. Thus no third person exists.
I dont get how the s.d.a. logo is filled with occult symbology and everyone all good with it.
How a cross, Bible, and fire of holy spirit is something occult? It's all obvious things
@@_Prayer_Warrior. The cross is upside down. An upside down cross is used in satanic worship. There are 6 flames. 6 represents sin.
Noticed that David uses the satanic symbols for SDA and uses a AI generated picture of EG White being young attractive petite something she is not . Shows his carnal mindset.
It’s under new management
The old logo was 3 angels until the Jesuits moved in!
John 8:24 KJV - 24 I (Jesus speaking) said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Please note that “he” is not in the original Greek and is italicized to indicate that it was supplied by the translators.
Therefore, what Jesus really said here was “I AM,” therefore making it another declaration of his Godhood that he is a divine, eternal, pre-existent, infinite, perfect Being. Christ is Israel’s God. See Exodus 3:14 and under John 8:58).
Thus the correct translation of Jesus' words.
John 8:24 KJV - 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins.
It is really interesting how you redefine words (created and begotten) and take things out of context to support your beliefs. For example, do you believe Jesus came from non-existence to existence by the will of the Father? In other words, do you think there was a point when Jesus did not exist, and suddenly, He did exist! After answering this question contemplate what your answer actually means!
SDAs, me included, believe Jesus has never NOT existed! To normal people to not exist and then to suddenly exist means you are created. Angels did not exist, and they suddenly did exist. Creation! The universe did not exist, and it suddenly did exist. Creation! The earth and man did not exist, and suddenly did exist. Creation! According to you Jesus did not exist and suddenly He did exist! Not creation but begotten! Really?
You diminish the glory and majesty of Christ's divine nature by making His existence comparable to that of all creation!
Time is short and there are better ways for you to end your life in this world than causing division in God's Remnant Church!
It is not to late! Come home my friend!
EXCELLENT post 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Angels are sons by creation. We are also sons by creation, but have to be reformed. Christ is the only begotten of the Father.
I believe in a real Eternal Father and a real Eternal Son! It’s a mystery beyond my comprehension!!!
One is older than the other and this is backed up by proverbs 8. Jesus was brought fourth an eternity so to speak in the past. There was never a time that he was not with the Father. Many take this to mean he always was. But I can say the same thing about my wife. There was never a time that I was not with my wife. Im 15 years older so how can this be? The statement means that there never was a time that Jesus has not been with the Father SINCE HE WAS BEGOTTEN! THAT is the mystery!
@@gregkingston4913 human rhetoric or anything in this world can’t describe the Godhead. Best not to even try. Back in 1896 I believe WW Wescott preached a sermon about the eternal existence of Christ without a beginning. Ellen White endorsed that sermon wholeheartedly. The mystery of The Godhead is that They have been Father and Son from eternity. There has never been a time when They were not Father and Son.
@@gregkingston4913 yes God The Father has always worked through His Son, Whenever it’s time to create He calls His Son forth and They create. That too is a mystery
@@respiratoryed Do you realise the church has been hood winked? The term Godhead has been conjured up to mean three divine beings. This is NOT the case. All three versus that talk of the Godhead in the New Testament mean the Father being the Godhead. EGW also reiterates the bible here is what she says....
“The Godhead is the Father he is the supreme divine being of the universe; the primary source. In his bodily form, He sits upon the throne of the universe, and from that position can direct all the affairs of heaven. But God has a Son who is “next in authority to the great lawgiver” review and Herald 12-17-72 In the heavenly courts, in his ministry for all created beings; through the beloved Son, the Fathers life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, a tide of love, to the great source of all. Desire of Ages pg 21...And you cant describe the Godhead? The bible is clear on who it is! Please read them for yourself Acts 17:29 Rom 1:20 and Col 2:9. The Fathers Spirit was in his Son reconciling the world to himself. God was in Jesus by his omnipresence. It was NOT someone else called god the Holy Spirit. You will not find this term that trinitarian churches often speak of any where in the bible or SOP!
Are you people trying to say that Jesus is not God?
Not at all. “The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality.” UL 367
He is God in one sense, but not in regard to his identity. This will be more documented in part 2.
Stay tuned Patricia 😉
he is the Alfa and Omega. Amen yes He is God clever people will understand who is Jesus Christ! The King of kings, ...yes I love Him rather than believe in those people that they are part of religious groups under authorisation og the beast 😊 no way I believe Walter Veith with the Biblie in action . Amen 😊
I have followed Walter Veith and yourself for 5-10 years and there has always been a level of harmony(you were both my " 2 witnesses" along with Doug Batchelor. When I saw this excerpt of Walter - I was disappointed for him, then immediately concerned for those who follow him. On that note I wanted to offer my prayers for Walter and his followers that they may see the errors of their ways, that God may touch their hearts and rebuke them that they may be saved. Please be assured that you have my full support in the position that you have expressed : harmony can be found in the bible, EG,WHite and the pioneers regarding the "catholic trinity". Walter seems to have taken the steps that Kellog took. Again the word of God is fulfilled - "even the very elect will be deceived." It was for this very situation when I left Catholicism, I joined no new church- not to jump from the hot coals into a fire.
Having reviewed God's word for myself- Walter Veith is in error(See Jn1:14,Jn1:18,Jn3:18,Heb 11:17)
The measure of the fruit of the tree was evident in this video: I thought the SDA church was God's church, not Walter Veith's. The last person I heard referring to their church as their own was Pope Francis.
"For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks." (Psa 18:27)
There was no expression of love for those whom he(Walter) thinks are in error- are they not to be saved?
What about JW? are they to be condemned and not called out of Babylon?
The teachings of the trinity- is history repeating itself. It's teachers are those who are, and will be intolerant to Christian fundamentalists viz the pope et al.(surprised Walter is in there with the Justinian code: believing in a trinity, but with the subtext of "not the catholic pagan trinity."
If there ever was a straw man, then this is the Wicker man.
"The troubles of my heart are enlarged: O bring thou me out of my distresses."(Psa 25:17)
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God the Father.
David, your presentation with it's explanation and citations has resonated within my heart and I know that which you have shared to be true. More importantly the way you have conducted yourself has been commendable: led by the Spirit of God and guided by the angels you have presented with an eloquence and integrity that reflects the love God which he has for us all. God be with you.
Ivan -TheLoudCry
Amen brother Ivan, thank you for sharing all of this. And I pray for Walter as well, that he may be convicted by God's love for Him in giving him His only begotten Son. Blessings, David.
Show me the verse that says the elect will be deceived
Great work. Walter is a great advocate for God and he has taught me a lot but he is totally wrong on this issue and as you quite rightly point out the original pioneers did not teach this. Walter is an ex Catholic and thus I suppose - as the saying goes, once a Catholic always a Catholic.
If once a catholic always a catholic then none would be called out of her therefore all are going to hell. Shame on David for not calling that out. Not surprised being he uses the satanic sda logo and a AI generated pic of a young attractive petite EG White something she was not just more show that David is carnal minded. And should know better to use that logo unless he's a Jesuit.
ty brother david for your portion on this tough issue
What an awesome presentation! AMEN!
Amen. Praise God.
Only result from this is leaving the church and on the path to committing the unpardonable sin, Satan knows very well what he is doing to the remnant.
Thank you Brother David for these videos.
[Christ] "Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he [God] at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" Heb.1:4,5
Amen sister Peggy. Christ was begotten in the express image of His Father... And it was a complete offering. Blessed Sabbath.
I am so confused. I was recently introduced to the Unitarian doctrine. I have difficulty wrapping my mind around this concept that Christ is begotten of God but we worship only one God. I feel almost an existential crisis 😢.
Don't be discouraged sister. God will continue to lead. My understanding is that the spirit of the Father dwells in His son. The Father is "True God", John 17:3. In worshipping the Son, we are acknowledging His Father as the one true God. Christ is the express image of His Father. I believe Unitarians reject Christ pre-existence.
thethirdangelsmessage.com/bible-study-series/17-who-is-god.php
Go through the questions and answers in the study link carefully, and it will all be answered, the confusion will be gone.
Do an intense study of the spirit. It won't happen overnight, but you will start seeing a pattern. 2 Cor. 3, the last few verses; Paul explains that the Lord is that Spirit. Every opening of the epistles begins with a salutation giving glory to God the Father, and our Lord, Jesus Christ; never mentioning the Spirit Being. 1 Cor. 11 gives us the headship of God-Father, then the Son, then man and woman. No holy Spirit Being in this headship. Where is the 3rd Being's throne if He is also in the Godhead.? 🤔 Why is it not mentioned with the Father and Son on the earth made new in Rev. 21? Where did He go? From Genesis to Revelation you will get a clearer understanding. Dont put your trust in man. Let the Spirit of the Lord guide you to all truth, Thy word is truth 🙏. His Remnant have to have the Everlasting Gospel to preach to the whole earth, not another gospel cooked up by Satan through the great Whore of Babylon, the Antichrist.
@@davidbarron2153 thank you
@@internet6695 yes they do. When they said that it felt like I was being ripped out of the arms of my Savior. It really tore me up. Of course now after reading Colossians 1:15 I don't believe them.
Wánderfull that you focus on what Walter Veith says, ¿Isn't better to focus on what BIBLE says?
Jesus is eternal because he is his own Father - "The everlasting Father" - who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as his own Son.
*1 TIMOTHY 3:16 (KJV)*
_And without controversy _*_great_*_ is the _*_mystery_*_ of godliness: _*_GOD was manifest in the flesh,_*_ justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory._
Hmmmm....."My God, My God...why has Thou forsaken Me?" The Son crying out to His Father from the cross as He was dying for the sin of the world. Jesus is the Son of Jehovah. Study your Bible more deeply....the whole book 📖. God and His Son created this world and all that is in the heavens and earth, Genesis 1.
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The Father "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as his own Son, so that he could lay down his own life (i.e, forsake himself) for us. That's the _self-sacrificial_ love of the Father. Any doctrine asserting the Father and the Son are two different persons results in a father who is guilty of the abomination of child sacrifice.
Will you put your faith in the loving, *_self-sacrificing_* Father (who revealed his name to be JESUS, the name which is above _every_ name) or an evil, *_other-sacrificing_* "Father"?
@@euston2216 i wold like to Reed what you are saying hire, from the Bible.
Do you have a skribture on it, in The Bible?
We are sons by adoption
At the very opening of this video, Walter Veith speaks contrary to Ellen White. I cannot understand what has gotten into so many of our leaders that they will ignore even what she says! Yes, Ellen White says plainly that Jesus was both Uncreated _and_ created--which Veith opposes in the first few seconds of this segment.
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The work of God's dear Son in undertaking to link the created with the Uncreated, the finite with the Infinite, in his own divine person, is a subject that may well employ our thoughts for a lifetime. This work of Christ was to confirm the beings of other worlds in their innocency and loyalty, as well as to save the lost and perishing of this world. He opened a way for the disobedient to return to their allegiance to God, while by the same act he placed a safeguard around those who were already pure, that they might not become polluted. {RH January 11, 1881, Art. A, par. 3}
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The Bible agrees that Jesus was "created." Look at Proverbs 8:22 (which Ellen White explicitly applies to Christ), Hebrews 10:5, and even John 3:16. Psalm 2:7 says of him: "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." According to the Bible, there was a day when the Son was begotten.
Regarding the references to A. T. Jones, I do not consider him to be reliable on this issue. He also used the term "God the Son"--and this well before his apostasy was recognized. Rather than the words of uninspired men, let us find our answers in the Word of God.
Proverbs 8:22(which Ellen White explicitly applies to Christ⁉️)and she is⁉️
Absolutely Amen
I have to turn the volume off and use captions at the "drum beating" sounds in the background. -It's distracting. Do you use drums in your Church?
I've watched 4 minutes. You are saying something Veith is not saying. You are saying that Veith is talking about the Trinity when in fact what he is saying in that little clip you put up he is drawing a line at making Jesus Who the Bible says existed before everything, is a mere created being. This is a Jehovah's Witness teaching, not a Biblical one. I know that this is the last days because the falling away is happening and so too is the shaking.
I think he's saying if you are a non trinitarian go join the JW church h
Great work. Praise God. Thank you David
Or to assume that any SDA rejecting the trinity thinks to call themself a non-trinitarian.
But Peter said, Ananias, *why hath satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost* and to keep back part of the price of the land?
So they, *being sent forth by the Holy Ghost* departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.
Whereof *the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us* for after that he had said before,
“But *he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost* hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:”
“For *the Holy Ghost shall teach you* in the same hour what ye ought to say.”
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, *through the power of the Holy Ghost*
“But *ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you* and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
Wherefore *as the Holy Ghost saith* Today if ye will hear his voice,
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:”
“That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.”
Thanks great content!!
John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jesus Is Equal with God
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath,
but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The Authority of the Son
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and
that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross,
by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True,
and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written,
that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Ephesians 3: 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Hebrews : 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Funkel Wagner's dictionary defines humanism and this should make anyone with a conscious think especially those who work for human resources
The word Humanism it says "A religious movement, emphasizing faith in man instead of belief in the super natural, in the United States it has arisen from uniteriasm " (welcome to the United church and the United Nations)" it is spreading to the liberal religious groups. Humanism a name applied to the literary movement at the close of the middle ages towards the revival of the pagan learning of classical antiquity. The humanists divided into two divergent schools of which sought to be ingrafted on the classical learning of the tree of Christianity while the other endevour to revive the literature of the classical antiquity and pagan spirit of the ancient heathen cults. Humanitarianism affirm the humanity and holy deny the divinity of Christ, believe in the perfectability of man or profess the religion of humanity. In modern usage philanthropic people are called by the name".
That is pretty direct, so when we find organisations like the world health organization you will find that philanthropic people like Bill Gates would be part of that. And when you are on that broad and spacious road to the devil and distruction will bill you at the gate because it is a toll road.
All those that who seek the National treasure, but do you know what that natural treasure really is ? He is storing the concept of legal value and looking after it for all those who tax and control it under a legal state debtor surname of paganism for those who deny the divinity of Christ.
And that my friends is why these trinitarians change wordings in the bible, also inserting human, and human beings into versions of the bible. It was there aim, if there were a bible then we would only have one bible, an interpretation of truth, not versions pushing humanism and Person's which is from the Greek word Kanah which is one with a title especially a surname, and these trinitarian theorists come up with such convelesent ways to deny the true essence of the loving creator and his son Jesus Christ.
Everyone has their faith standing in the doctrines of men... Anytime I tell people Jesus isn't God they turn into outward wolves.
As l listen to you, I seem to be getting more confused than enlightened. I have been watching prof veith for years and he has helped me alot in my walk with the Lord Jesus. I ve never heard him suggest that there is no Godhead.
The pioneers at first did not understand the subject of the Godhead but as light was given to them,they changed their view. I'm getting the message that you do not believe in the Godhead from your speaking. Becareful about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 4:
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
The Godhead was not mentioned in this study. The issue of this study had to do with whether or not Christ was the Son of God.
This has to do with how the Trinity destroys the love of God. I understand that the Trinity keeps us in confusion on these matters. I pray that you can see beyond that and begin to see the expression of your Father's love in giving His only begotten Son. Blessings, David.
As it turns out, despite years of teaching about the beast as Rome, Veith has turned out to be the best Roman Catholic of all.
Sarcasm ????
Maybe it's not the best thing to assume to speak for all "non-trinitarians." I appreciate the video.
Well, I would invite Prof Veith to go back to the Catholic church. Took him years to get an opinion on this. Pope Veith of South Africa.
Yes, exactly. He says he doesn't believe their pantheistic Trinity, but in part 3 of this series, I'm going to show how he actually does.
@@bourqueoscar2 He does help with many things, BUT he needs help himself. We should pray for him. Amen.
Monogenes carry both meanings:
Only begotten and only unique
In Genesis 22:2
Is Isaac, Abraham's only(monogenes) son?
No, he had Ishamael first before Isaac.
The word "only" here means unique in a sense that Isaac carry something unique compared to Ishmael.
Just like how Jesus is unique son of YHWH compared to others who are called sons of god. Unique in a sense that he is the son of God before the creation of all things, the son of God who is with God from eternity.
Isaac is the "Only begotten son, of whom the promise was made". Context is key. It really means "the only born son of whom the promise was given". Abraham did not have another born son of whom the promise was made.
It deosn't mean "Only Unique" in that instance at all.
@@davidbarron2153 well, that is what unique about Isaac compared to Ishmael. That the promised seed is through Isaac.
That differentiates Isaac from other sons of Abraham, Abraham had many sons.
As I said before, it carries both meaning.
@@BrookDesHarnais I am saying that monogenes in Hebrews 11 means "ONLY BORN" and not "Unique". Isaac was the ONLY BORN(MONOGENES) Son of whom the promise was made. Ishmael doesn't fit that bill.
@@treadingtheway3730 Unique in Greek is monadikós. Monogenes, means only born. Blessings, David.
@@BrookDesHarnais Hebrews 11:17-18 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, (18) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
This verse is often used to deny that Christ was the literal born Son of God. The verse is used to say that “only begotten” is not to be taken literally since Abraham had begotten more sons than just Isaac. In fact Ishmael was his firstborn and therefore this shows that Abraham had more than one “begotten son”.
But the fact is God didn’t even acknowledge Ishmael when he was born. The verse in question is normally not read with verse 18. With verse 18 it reads “only begotten son, of whom it was said…”
There is more to this story. Paul clarifies in the book of Romans that the child is the only begotten son of whom the promise was made.
Romans 9:7-10 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. (8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (9) For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
This verse clarifies what is meant by the words in verse 18 of Hebrews 11. That “Of whom it was said, In Isaac shall thy seed be called”. He was the child of promise. And this is the child of faith.
Understanding that Isaac was the only begotten of whom the promise was made is important. But I’d like to look at something a little deeper.
Abraham made a few mistakes in his life. He thought that the fleshly seed Ishmael would be the child of promise, trying to fulfill the promise by his own works. He took another woman at his wife’s command and then had a child outside of the marriage. But Abraham made another mistake trying to fulfill the promise before Ishmael. He had a servant named Eliezer.
Genesis 15:2-3 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? (3) And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
Abraham wanted to make Eliezer his servant to be his son, and his heir. He wanted to spiritualize away the promise of God. But God answered him quickly as Isaac was to be a type of Christ, the Son of God:
Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
In other words, Abraham was trying to spiritualize the literal father-son relationship by choosing Eliezer as his son and heir. But God said no. The son that was to fit as the promised seed had to proceed from the bowels of Abraham. It had to be a literal Father-Son relationship. This was a representation of God and Christ.
Christ in discussing the issue of who the children of God had taken issue with the Pharisees who had said “we have one Father, even God.” There is no denying that God has children by adoption, however the bible teaches that Christ is not a son by adoption, neither is he a son by creation, but he is a son begotten of the Father. “The firstborn of every creature, For by him were all things created”(Col 1:15, 16) And here is the reply to the Pharisees.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
The words describe his origin and his relationship to the Father. In other words, that’s my literal dad that you call your father, I came forth from him, from his own bowels. In Micah 5:2 we read “Whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting”. The Hebrew word in that text for “goings forth” is “origin”. His origin or beginning is from everlasting or eternity. In the same sense in Proverbs 8:23-25 he was “setup from everlasting…brought forth”.
The old English for begotten is “brought forth”. Also termed “Goings forth” as well as “proceeded forth”. All these texts say the same thing.
Further in John we find another account where someone tries to spiritualize away the literal relationship of the Father and Son. Jesus says:
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
And this was something that took the apostles a while to believe, however, they realized this wasn’t a proverb, or a metaphor, or a spiritualistic father-son relationship, but he literally came forth from the Father.
John 16:29-30 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. (30) Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
He’s not speaking in proverbs or metaphors. What does it mean to be the only begotten son? Is it a metaphor as many today teach, or did God really give a son to the world. If we believe this to be a metaphor, we are making God a liar.
1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
But the fact is “God cannot lie”, he really did give His son. And this is eternal life to believe it.(John 3:16)
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
The begetter is the Father, the begotten is the Son. And to deny this is to deny the love that was shared between the Father and Son before the world was. Entire churches are built on denying this truth:
“The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church…” Handbook for Today’s Catholic, p. 11.
That is the foundation of Babylon.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
The foundation of the church of Christ is as follows:
Matthew 16:15-18 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? (16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. (17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
This is what the church is built on. According to Paul the church is called “the church of the firstborn” not the “church of the co-eternals”.
Hebrews 12:22-23 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, (23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
So are saying Christ who was Michael is nothing more than a created being? Christ is not the third person of the God head?
All I can say is that Scripture shows us Eve was brought forth from Adam's rib. It tells us Jesus is the true, only begotten Son of God and in some way we can't quite understand. But I compare that to what God shows me in the Bible about Eve and believe it is 'similar' to how God was able to bring Jesus forth. But NO WAY, did the 3-1 god(s) have a meeting eons ago and decide who was going to be which role. That's what I heard Adventist leadership say! That completely does away with Jesus, our Savior. No real Son. No Savior. S
Steve Wohlberg said recently in a video that the 1 true God movement is growing all over the world. Praise God. And what does Acts 5:38 say?? (Speaking about the Apostles and the early growth of the church) 38And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
DO THE TRINITARIANS REALLY KNOW WHO THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST??
I tried to be nice.
Why are you attacking Veith? He is saying Jesus is the Son of God. You are contradicting yourself. Thank heaven for Pastor Veith, beware the subtle deception of others.
18:27 She has to be talking about his earthly birth. The Jews couldn't mock him for the circumstances of his heavenly birth. But they could do so in reference to Mary, whom they would have accused of fornication.
Also, what I don't quite understand: Do you believe, that Jesus is Yahweh? And if so, in what sense, and if not, is he a 2nd god, like Jehovah's Witnesses believe?
Also, monogenes was translated as unigenitus (only begotten) to the Vulgate. But the earlier Latin translations say unicus, which means unique or one and only. Also, Jesus is called the monogenes theos (unique god) instead of monogenes hyios (unique son) in the earliest manuscripts of John 1:18. If Jesus is a begotten god instead of the unique God, don't we have 2 gods?
Walter Veith DOES NOT believe Jesus is a created being
Jesus has been send by the Hevely Father in the body flash ( sinless body ) but without sin ,
@@duhulsfantmaiubeste3173 amen
7:20 Jesus was in fact made by God. It says it right in the scriptures...
Hebrews 1:4-5
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
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You are confused sir about Walter Veith. He is a man called by God, I don’t think you are because true Christian’s do not muddle others names and reputations before knowing them and talking to them first. This is solely your opinion, not guided by the Holy Spirit.
Are you SDA or some offshoot? Do you still attend SDA churches?
The God head. What is the God head. Is it 3 person? Is it one person, is it 2 person? 😊. When I read Roman’s 1 verse 20, it have me to reflect back in creation. So let’s look into genesis. Genesis 1:2. Let’s look at the word God here. What it means, also spirit. God אֱלֹהִים. El. Elohim etc. Spirit: רוּחַ, ruach. If we read this carefully with the Hebrew writings, it is not indicating the Holy Spirit as a separate person/ individual as spirit here that moves. Look into it my friends. And the spirit of God/ and the power of God. And the breath of God/ and the nature of God/and the wind of God/ etc. It is not saying the Holy Spirit of God as a separate person who move. 😊 let’s look further down in Genesis. If Roman’s 1:20 talk about creation. Then we must see the God head in creation. Let’s dive. Let us look at his crowing creation. Genesis 1:26. Carefully examine. God said, let US MAKE MAN, in OUR IMAGE, in OUR LIKENESS. Who is God talking to? How many person God speaking to? 😮 if creation week doesn’t say exactly who God speaking to and how many, then, creation itself should at least explain when he/ they are finish creating same place in genesis 1. Let’s look further down. Genesis 1:26-27. Image, likeness. God has dominion. God made man to have dominion on earth. Genesis 1:27. God create man in his own image in the image of God create he him. How many?😮 3? 1? How many person was created in the blue print ? 2. Man. Male and female he create them. God create family, establish the perfect marriage. Both of them. Male and female. I believe this symbolize the God head. Also we have a twin institution. Marriage and the sabbath. Two. We see also Abraham and his son. Two. And the long list goes on. Now the question you may ask me, who is the holy spirit? I would answer with a question, are you sure the holy spirit is a 3rd person separate from the father and son? I know you will jump to John 16. Also the baptism of Jesus. Even though the Bible say he, do you think it’s a 3rd person that actually came ?😮 let’s look in acts 2 when the Holy Ghost came. Verse 4. Was it a person that came? Acts 1:8. 2 Timothy 1:6-7. It is clear to me that the Holy Spirit is associate as power. In other parts. Water. Rain. Oil. Etc. In allot of context things are personalize, refer to as he, yet is not a male or female, or a person. I have one more because this is getting long. Revelation 5:13-14. How many person in the God head every creature worship? 1? 2? Or 3? Check it. The Bible is clear that we must worship God only. Luke 4:8. John 4:24. Exodus 20:1-3. Etc. I am afraid Roman Catholic , Pentecostal, and the long list of denominations within Christianity is commuting idolatry😮. I will study this topic some more prayerfully. But this has been reveal to me this far. No one teach me or anything. It is 2. Not 3. Not 1. I also examine the sanctuary message. Observe sister white writing. She shed little light on the topic. Again. Sister white doesn’t consist all things. This topic is a serious and delicate one. But plz feel free to message me. Thanks😊
👁️✝️🛐👁️🩸👑🕯️🍞💧⚖️🌡️😡🌪️🌋👀👂🙏⏳, Genesis means beginning John 1:-1,5, 7,8,10,11--13,14-18,34,36 ; O how humans underestimate God, His Word=His Commandments=His Light= His Character =Jesus Christ =begotten (Birth)(Beginning) (Bloodline)= God's Blood , Jesus Christ came from His Father & His Father's Blood, God's Blood in Jesus Christ came with His Own Blood of/from God, Mary was only a vessel, Jesus Christ God Sent with His Blood so that Jesus Christ would Not have to have any born into sin blood in Him . I've watched his videos over and over and have never heard him say Jesus Christ is "not" The Son of God , I have heard him say Jesus Christ is divine (I believe this also) , he has said KJV Bible John 10:30 where Jesus Christ Says " I and My Father Are One " , & Veith says God & Jesus Christ Character, but I have Never heard Veith take away from the fact Jesus Christ Is The Only Begotten Son of God, in Fact he points out in Scripture each time God Said So with His Own Voice, Veith also points out that Jesus Christ Is The Holy Spirit , so that makes the "trinity theory" Veith is supposed to be saying here null and void because God Almighty, Jesus Christ Holy Spirit = Two ! Not three . I have an idea, why don't You invite himself to explain it to you on your channel, I'm sure he would
What a nonsens! Better listen to Walter, he is right and i am not a seventh day adventist ! I read my Bible!
David, you are too concerned with Walter Veith and with your own understanding of the Trinity. I personally feel that human words used to explain this greatest of universal mysteries are limited to human understanding, therefore incapable of truly explaining the essence of God. The only way we can understand this mystery now, in our sinful nature, is by accepting in faith that it explains God's plan to save man. God being all-knowing of course knew that man would someday sin and would be worthy of death, and God in His love decided to create the Plan of Salvation, before any created beings existed, including the angels.
Since no created being could be in the presence of God without being automatically destroyed, an intermediary was "brought forth" to communicate with the angels, but even the angels did not comprehend this mystery - proof of this is EGW to whom it was revealed that the Father had to admonish the angels that Michael, "Jesus", the "Angel of the Lord", had to be obeyed as God himself, which kindled Lucifer's jealousy.
EGW also wrote that we would spend eternity learning about this Plan of Salvation, so I believe we will someday know more, and fully realize the "infinite cost" to God of this plan, for starters, we do know that Jesus is forever in a human body now, this should begin unraveling this mystery.
Read Ellen White and Not the Pioneers. The only right Pioneers were A.T.Jones and E.J.Waggoner.
many fools around. Well its very clear since many years that begotten (gr. prototokos) was a title used these days. God gave this title also to david. Its not a biological term, its a title...
Amen.
is christ a created being ... as you sda members say let scripture define it self ...
3 berves that say that he is ...
Col 1:15 (KJV)
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 3:10 (KJV)
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Rev 3:14 (KJV)
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
jesus was created in the beginning of the creation of god
what was created in the beginning of the creation of god?
the light in day 1 was created ...
Rev 21:23 (KJV)
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
John 1:6-9 (KJV)
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 3:19 (KJV)
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
2Cor 4:6 (KJV)
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
jesus was the first created being and was with the father ... the light was the first creation that the father created in day 1 ... and jesus saw it all from the beginning ...
Prov 8:22-31 (KJV)
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Walter veith never said Jesus wasnt begotten.he said he wasnt created like the angels were.in the beginning was the word.the word was with God and the word was God.the bible doesnt tell us some things so its best not to speculate.there are 3 in heaven that bear record
Correct Jesus came in sinful body but He didn't sin ! He came to save us humans not the angels , He overcame the temptation of the devil on the cross and He did the at atornament with His own blood , 🙌 to save us from death..then after He back in heaven to the Father He is our Master, and in His name we ask to the Father in paryers whatever we need in His name Jesus Christ, The Eternal Seviour, The Redemer 🙌🙌🙌🙌 Our Father , Sovereign of the Univers and our Sovereign gave His Begotten Son Jesus Christ to suffer for us , The Lamb of God Jesus Christ , The torch of our Heavenly Father 🙌🙌🙌 Gloryfy His name Praised be the Name of our Father and of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen
Read Revelation 3:12! Who called Jesus four times "my God" Would a Triune God do something like this? Read 1 Corinthians 8:6. All others are wrong teachings!!!
No, Jesus is god: Acts 9:13-14,17: "Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. ... And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
Amen🙏🏼
Well elaborated, glory unto our heavenly Father, the One True Living God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.
KJV Isaiah 8:19-20
19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
KJV 2 John 1:7, 9-11
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God-speed:
11 for he that biddeth him God-speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
KJV Galatians 1:8
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
It is so sad that even the "unclean spirits" know better that Jesus is the Son of God than Pastor Veight. In Mark 3:11 we read, I quote,
"And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God."
If Jesus were not the literal Son of God but a metaphorical son, as they claim, pretending that He is the Son of the Creator and His Father pretending to be His Father, rest assured these fallen angels would have cried aloud from the rooftops exposing God to be a liar, that He is not the Father of Christ since He does not have a Son; but not so!
I hate to call these hireling shepherds "wolves in sheep clothing"; but, I am afraid, he seems to be one of them who either does not understand Scripture, or is deliberately misleading his watchers and hearers and takes them down the road of perdition.
Amen...good point. Even the unclean spirits cried out the identity of Christ. Which part of this account does Veith not understand?
@@canadiancontrarian3668 Pastor Veight does not believe or perhaps deliberately denies that Jesus is the literal Son of God. The unclean spirits, the Son of God having been their Commander in Chief in the beginning, knew exactly who He really was, which Veight so wehemently denies. Even the Pharisees, scribes, high priests, priests and rabbis knew and believed that God has a literal Son, but they did not believe it was Him.
How could they have accepted Jesus, someone born - according to them - of a prostitute and being a poor man who did not come in great pomp into this world as they hoped for? This they did not expect and welcome; in fact, this crushed their expectation and hope of being exalted before their people even higher.
The following scriptures tell us when Jesus begin to exist as the Son of God. And I will post the scriptures that state that he was fore-ordained.
Luke 1
34¶Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35¶And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
1 Peter 1
18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Over my head...Need a better outlined PRESENTATION
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Come join me tomorrow. We will be examining this in detail and I will be opening for questions at the end.
If you think that antitrinitarian possition held by portion of a church in its start proves that they are right then you should also reconsider sunday, pork and other ideas that they held.
If Jesus would be God, than he have not could Die it would be a big Theatre! Would a Triune God do something like this!? Read 1 Corinthians 8:6!! All others are wrong teachings!
If Jesus is not God then you would all be breaking the first of the ten commandments to worship him.
If Jesus would be God,he have not could die! All would be a Theatre!!
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Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, *being in the form of God* thought it not robbery to be *equal* with God:
*But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men*
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
{Philippians 2:5-10}
What Veith is saying in a round about way is that GOD lied to us when God said "This is my beloved Son". I will believe GOD and call Veith a liar.
For many years I have followed Walter Veith's video-series. I have noticed his trinitarian belief, but I have ignored it. But what he manifested in this video shocked me. This is not a Christian attitude at all. His belief is antibiblical and antichristian. Although I totally agree with David Barron, I hate repetitions.
Arianism was as late as the fourth century. There weren't any 'Arian tribes' and there was no war or genocide.
Please don't teach when you haven't studied. You are misleading people about the history of the church.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
You'll find some of the history on this page. I'm afraid that you do not know or understand the history. The Visigoths were uprooted in 508AD because of their Arian beliefs. I documented that as well as the Justinian Code in 538ad regarding the Trinity and noone being allowed to publicly speak against it. Watch again if you need to. Blessings, David.
@@davidbarron2153 Wikipedia isn't an acceptable source. There were no Arian tribes. No Arian tribes were killed in a genocide for their beliefs.
It's not something you can argue with. Facts simply are.
@@sia9907 The Catholic Church destroyed them because they believed in the ONE true God!
anything that lessens the divinity of Christ like this anti - trinity movement does we must stay away from .
Walter Veith is right . I think you are wrong.
Pioneers prior tō 1898 were in error regarding the Holy Spirit, and the nature of Christ, and the Father. Your reasoning is error, just as Veith's theology is also error. Also your presentation is monotonous by the way you speak. You need tō pause, and speak with clarity. Your teaching is as dangerous as is Walter Veith's teaching. Both of you guys are lying.
Go be a what? Don't bother this church no more? Wow
Good He said I love Walter Veith 😊