Great! Glad it was helpful. I think a lot of folks had similar statements. What was it specifically? The 'holy' view of voting for Jesus? Or focusing only on red letters? Or not having answers to hard questions in your youth?
I paused the video to look at the Red Letter Christians roster as you displayed it up through the letter S. I did not know of most of those people but of the many people that I do know about I didn't see a single one whom I regard as a a fellow true believer except maybe Ron Sider. I don't know enough about him to know whether he was saved or not. I believe he was deeply in error but I never heard anything that tells me he was necessarily apostate.
Ron Cider was a big lefty christian in the 70s one of the first to try and say he was orthodox all the while pushing leftist agendas. Him and Jim Wallis as well. They supported Mcgovern in 72' election who was radically pro baby killing, and many other terrible economic things, basically a commie. They are basically precursors to the leftists Russ Moore and David French
I am very intrigued to hear that you are writing a book on Red Letter Christians and I would like to contribute my observations. I draw a clear distinction between Progressive Christianity such as you have with the National Council of Churches and with the Emergent Church on the one hand and on the other hand, woke evangelicalism. Progressive Christianity with its affirmation of the alphabet sins and often of abortion and with its hostility toward evangelism of non-Christians is very blatantly an apostate religion, a cult. most assuredly as false as Mormonism but more dangerous because of its greater capacity to appear to the undiscerning as a form of true Christianity. Woke evangelicalism on the other hand is unsound and fill with serious errors but not overtly apostate. Undoubtedly there are many regenerate people within woke evangelicalism, although there are also undoubtedly many false Christians within it. The point is we cannot be as completely clear with them as we can be with Progressive Christianity. Here is something I really want to emphasize that I don't hear anybody talking about. When you speak of woke evangelicals like Tim Keller, JD Greear, Matt Chandler, David Platt, and Russell Moore these people are actually more fond of and more comfortable with the apostate Progressive crowd than they are with theologically and politically conservative evangelicals. Now the woke evangelicals like Greear are very fond of lecturing mainstream evangelicals for how hideous they are for allegedly putting their political views ahead of spiritual values but actually it is they themselves who are clearly the ones who are committing that, otherwise they would be friendly toward us rather than being engaged in a permanent polemical war against us like the one that Russell Moore launched as soon as he took over at the ERLC in 2013. (And of course that is the norm, that whatever progressives accuse conservatives of doing is exactly what they are doing!) Although Tim Keller had this appealing grandfatherly persona, I would say from his tweets and passages in his writings and sermons that he really actually hated political conservatives and white people, including those of them who are evangelical Christians. And Tim Keller was clearly deeply fond of the people of the Left. including those who ardently do not want this Man to rule over them; so it is the woke evangelicals and not those of us they are criticizing who are putting politics ahead of spirituality. And my observation is that woke evangelicalism is an off-ramp from the faith. You can see that with so many people like Tony Campolo and David Gushee and Andy Stanley and Timothy Dalrymple going into blatant apostasy with their open embrace of rank immorality. Of course this open embrace does not necessarily mark the point at which they became apostate, but only the point at which their apostasy became undeniable to the informed Christian public. I think that in the long run pretty much all of woke evangelicalism is going to apostasize, and in that I agree with James White. That is all the more reason why I think that woke evangelicalism must be fought with great vigor, because it is indeed an off-ramp from orthodoxy, just like Wayne Grudem said about egalitarianism. I think to this day that most of the conservatives who are inside evangelical institutions believe that evangelical institutions should be a condominium in which political liberals and political conservatives work together in harmony, but clearly that is a recipe for the ruin that we are seeing in all the evangelical institutions like the seminaries, the NAE, Cru, and Christianity Today. When people's hearts are fond of a political party or movement that embraces abortion and rejection of biblical morality and conscience rights for Christian doctors and businessmen, that is not a merely political matter; that is a manifestation of spiritual depravity, and it demonstrates a lack of fitness for leadership and for being in employ of evangelical institutions. As far as your subject matter of Red Letter Christianity, from what I know of it, it seems to appeals to both Progressive Christian apostates and to woke evangelicals and would tend to be bringing them together, which I think would tend to hasten the drift into apostasy of the latter.
@@conceptualclarity hey thanks for the comments! Quite helpful indeed. Well glad to hear, now I've got 2 sold, the first is my mom! 😀 The book is complete and I'm going into final edits. I've got 2 different people interested in publishing, at least loosely at the moment, so praying it will go well. I don't plan to self publish unless I have to. Good words you've shared, thanks again
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great conversation about a topic that needs more light, red letter christians and how bad it is
SBC member here, really enjoyed the content!
@@ajoflow hey thanks for that! Praise God it's enjoyable
Enjoyed the Interview. I can relate to a lot of his questioning of things.
Great! Glad it was helpful. I think a lot of folks had similar statements.
What was it specifically?
The 'holy' view of voting for Jesus? Or focusing only on red letters? Or not having answers to hard questions in your youth?
@@RTHenry83 not having answers to hard questions.
I paused the video to look at the Red Letter Christians roster as you displayed it up through the letter S. I did not know of most of those people but of the many people that I do know about I didn't see a single one whom I regard as a a fellow true believer except maybe Ron Sider. I don't know enough about him to know whether he was saved or not. I believe he was deeply in error but I never heard anything that tells me he was necessarily apostate.
Ron Cider was a big lefty christian in the 70s one of the first to try and say he was orthodox all the while pushing leftist agendas. Him and Jim Wallis as well. They supported Mcgovern in 72' election who was radically pro baby killing, and many other terrible economic things, basically a commie.
They are basically precursors to the leftists Russ Moore and David French
I am very intrigued to hear that you are writing a book on Red Letter Christians and I would like to contribute my observations. I draw a clear distinction between Progressive Christianity such as you have with the National Council of Churches and with the Emergent Church on the one hand and on the other hand, woke evangelicalism. Progressive Christianity with its affirmation of the alphabet sins and often of abortion and with its hostility toward evangelism of non-Christians is very blatantly an apostate religion, a cult. most assuredly as false as Mormonism but more dangerous because of its greater capacity to appear to the undiscerning as a form of true Christianity. Woke evangelicalism on the other hand is unsound and fill with serious errors but not overtly apostate. Undoubtedly there are many regenerate people within woke evangelicalism, although there are also undoubtedly many false Christians within it. The point is we cannot be as completely clear with them as we can be with Progressive Christianity. Here is something I really want to emphasize that I don't hear anybody talking about. When you speak of woke evangelicals like Tim Keller, JD Greear, Matt Chandler, David Platt, and Russell Moore these people are actually more fond of and more comfortable with the apostate Progressive crowd than they are with theologically and politically conservative evangelicals. Now the woke evangelicals like Greear are very fond of lecturing mainstream evangelicals for how hideous they are for allegedly putting their political views ahead of spiritual values but actually it is they themselves who are clearly the ones who are committing that, otherwise they would be friendly toward us rather than being engaged in a permanent polemical war against us like the one that Russell Moore launched as soon as he took over at the ERLC in 2013. (And of course that is the norm, that whatever progressives accuse conservatives of doing is exactly what they are doing!) Although Tim Keller had this appealing grandfatherly persona, I would say from his tweets and passages in his writings and sermons that he really actually hated political conservatives and white people, including those of them who are evangelical Christians. And Tim Keller was clearly deeply fond of the people of the Left. including those who ardently do not want this Man to rule over them; so it is the woke evangelicals and not those of us they are criticizing who are putting politics ahead of spirituality. And my observation is that woke evangelicalism is an off-ramp from the faith. You can see that with so many people like Tony Campolo and David Gushee and Andy Stanley and Timothy Dalrymple going into blatant apostasy with their open embrace of rank immorality. Of course this open embrace does not necessarily mark the point at which they became apostate, but only the point at which their apostasy became undeniable to the informed Christian public. I think that in the long run pretty much all of woke evangelicalism is going to apostasize, and in that I agree with James White. That is all the more reason why I think that woke evangelicalism must be fought with great vigor, because it is indeed an off-ramp from orthodoxy, just like Wayne Grudem said about egalitarianism.
I think to this day that most of the conservatives who are inside evangelical institutions believe that evangelical institutions should be a condominium in which political liberals and political conservatives work together in harmony, but clearly that is a recipe for the ruin that we are seeing in all the evangelical institutions like the seminaries, the NAE, Cru, and Christianity Today. When people's hearts are fond of a political party or movement that embraces abortion and rejection of biblical morality and conscience rights for Christian doctors and businessmen, that is not a merely political matter; that is a manifestation of spiritual depravity, and it demonstrates a lack of fitness for leadership and for being in employ of evangelical institutions.
As far as your subject matter of Red Letter Christianity, from what I know of it, it seems to appeals to both Progressive Christian apostates and to woke evangelicals and would tend to be bringing them together, which I think would tend to hasten the drift into apostasy of the latter.
I will be desiring to get that book as soon as it is feasible for me.
@@conceptualclarity hey thanks for the comments! Quite helpful indeed.
Well glad to hear, now I've got 2 sold, the first is my mom! 😀
The book is complete and I'm going into final edits. I've got 2 different people interested in publishing, at least loosely at the moment, so praying it will go well. I don't plan to self publish unless I have to.
Good words you've shared, thanks again