Hi Mike, sorry to hear of your valve gear woes, a couple of suggestions which may help; 1 The click may be caused by one or more of the little pins in the cross head linkage binding. 2 The lengths of the small rod attached to the centre axle crank pin may be different. they should create a circle motion causing the horizontal rod to rock the banana slot back and forth as per the right hand side. Hope this helps, good luck.
Oh dear Mike. I think you should send it back and tell them they got the colour wrong, it should have been painted "Lemon Yellow." I couldn't actually see the crosshead jumping but the valve gear crank on the left side is way off the mark, there should be much more movement in the valve mechanism. I also noted that it was oscillating left and right on the rollers meaning that this is another loco with the infamous "Hornby wobble." There clearly remains a need for quality improvement from Hornby. Regards, David.
Hi David, yes is does pull left and right, in time with the click, I am so very sad about this one. The shop, Gaugemaster told me they have none and Hornby are out of stock so it looks like I won't have a model after all the trouble. No idea where to start on fixing it, hope an expert might guide me
The valve gear on the left is incorrectly set as there is no movement of the expansion link. You need to slacken the crankpin nut ( referred to as the main pin) and adjust the eccentric crank so that it runs off centre. Check the offset against the right side and mimic that. It's very easy to do. Retighten the main pin nut when you're happy with the increased movement of the expansion link.
Hi, ah yes I see what you mean, trouble is there are flats on the pin to hold the cranks and the only way to change that would be to try and move the pin in the wheel, which is a bit scary lol
Re the crosshead jumping: maybe the slide bars it rides on are not parallel. Re the smaller linkage that has little movement: I would check that the top of the vertical link isn't binding. I say that because I think I see the joint of the main driving rods that join near the middle driving wheel seem to be flexing upward at the top of their stroke and flexing downwards at the bottom. This could happen if the vertical bar were binding... I think... maybe.
I cant actually see the rolling road rollers rotating - in which case, the driving wheels are no better than scrap. What happens when its on the layout? Is it any better or worse?
And an Unhappy New Year to Hornby ! Yet another 'not right'. My 46256 initially had the slidebar problem (I bent it). The eccentric crank is not set properly on the 'no movement' side. You could try slightly unscrewing the central driving wheel boss nut, move the crank forward and re-tighten. (there is sometimes quite a bit of play in this area) ! I feel for you, Mike..........HNY............Reinhard
Many thanks Reinhard, yes it is really crushing isn't it :( I'll try that with the crank, was wondering myself if that would do it. The slidebars perplex me totally, when I bend them in the jump goes but the cross head and piston rod jam the other end. HNY
Having looked several times at the video, would I be right in suggesting that the lower slidebar is thicker (from top to bottom) at the piston end than it should be? This could cause the 'jam' at the piston end, a wedging effect. The piston rod is certainly out of line this side, @0.05, for example. Perhaps a careful 'scrape' with fine emery cloth or initially a pointed stanley knife (with the crosshead at the open end) might clear away any excess material allowing the crosshead better free movement? Failing that, Mike, I think I'd be inclined to ask for my money back.............Reinhard
I have had two Coronation models bought in 2021. The first gave up running after a handful of trips up and down thd 7 foot track, it was the drive gears not connecting. It’s replacement gas done less than 5 hours running before doing the same. The motor runs but loco gears not working. Both from same period, July 2021. I had only in the last few months bought two coaches to go with it too. Blue Coronation 2021. Comments welcome. Loco sent to Hornby for repair if possible, otherwise it goes on a shelf just to gaze at and wonder. I drew pictures of this loco as a kid and never got the silver lines correct.
I have the same problem with my princess class. I going to try and fix it when I'm in the right mood but I'm so tired of Hornby problems. Hope you get it fixed 👍.
Just thought I'd check it alongside Sir William Stanier, as they should have the same valve gear, well they do but Sir William also has the one sided expansion link issue :(
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited you made me also go back and have a second look 😕 but I'm leaving it for now like I said I have to bee in the right mood to deal with this before I completely brake it.😠😂
Sorry to hear that. I have the same issue with my West Country Class from Fireworks at Chilcompton set. Even the jumping annoys me when I look closely, it runs really well. But she is from the old date while your coronation is absolutely new! Shame on Hornby. Hope you can find the way out x Now I am reconsidering to preorder Dutchess of Hamilton or not :/
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Same experience with the Duchess of Hamilton. You and I seem to be of the few that upload these quality issues, or we are just very unlucky!
Sorry your having problems mike Just a thought on the side of the loco with the problem is the expansion link facing the other way to the other side? It shouldn’t happen to brand new locomotive but I have seen a few reports of similar problems online Glad I didn’t buy one now wasn’t sure it was worth the money as I have two of the older ones Hope you get it sorted out
Model Railways Unlimited Mike I have just seen your post on rmweb. Sounds like your locomotive has big problems. Do you have an older coronation model? I have two and never had any trouble with them. Maybe worth looking on eBay Sams trains has a video showing both the old and new ones. I didn't think there was to much difference between them I've had trouble with my new Hornby Brighton Belle today it was totally dead The controller was like it had a short circuit Removed the body and couldn't see anything wrong with it. It was about to refit the body and return it tomorrow when I had thought about the DCC plug I replaced it with another one I had and it came to life It had clearly never been quality checked It makes you feel like giving up on model railways sometimes Quality Control definitely needs to improve in the model rail industry Hope you get it sorted one way or another and can get back to enjoying your railway
Hi Oliver, many thanks, yes a good few issues to work through, I do have an older one and like you say it is perfect and has a properly working pony truck under the cab and not this vile cheap and nasty Railroad fixed hovering wheel
(small rod) The right side is correct. See Here At 2:19: ua-cam.com/video/JR6eOUnu9sQ/v-deo.html (left side) Maybe check the main rod pin on the centre wheel isn't loose or bent, as this could mean that piece that's moving less than the right side has slipped out of alignment, or maybe stuck when pin was screwed in. Thus causing less movement. And as for the crosshead issue, can you check the gap measurement between the top and bottom crosshead rail? This would best be done with a calliper. The rails don't look parallel to me, and the lower one looks a little bent too.
Many thanks Sammy, The non moving expansion link is simply due to the fact that Hornby failed to offset it on the crank pin. There seems no way to move the crank pin now to allow this. Looking at other peoples Coronation and Princess class locos it seems to be a common issue sadly. There clearly is an issue with the cross head, I am very loathed to keep on at it as the bars are mounted in plastic and as such could easily snap. I'll keep you all updated.
I've just Princess Alexander as I've gone mad and bought the whole 9 coach coronation train. On arrival I notice that the driving wheels on the left side are not correctly mounted and do not run concentrically as a result. Looking at your video I notice you have the same issue. It's not too hard to correct, but nonetheless this model lacks the quality of the Princess class IMHO.
What frustration. I've waited to see if Hornby had overcome their issues with this model. I so desperately want one. But your video and other feedback tell me no. If you can't sell one of these to a LMS enthusiast like me then hornby have problems.
I was honestly expecting a video like this would appear from you, sadly. Is nothing sacred with Hornby? It’s spectacular that such a thing can have such a flaw. I noticed Hornby uploaded videos titled “what happens next?” Or something along those lines to the channels of the individual brands. “I dunno, maybe bankruptcy.” Is what I said to myself. Horrifying.
HORNBY need to kick some ass if they expect to stay viable. I scour the web for reviews on their current catalogue, and while some reviewers, find little to criticize, it is becoming increasingly apparent that many are finding HORNBY a risk due to substandard quality control, mainly related to the mechanics. As a steam engine buff, these seem to bear the brunt of mechanical faults due to their complexity and can be attributed to poor assembly or design. Not good when price is high for these engines, and most are resold at low prices on EBAY due to running problems. Nobody wants to see HORNBY fail but they are losing their market because of poor quality running and reliability. They may look good as display models, but are a real disappointment in performance.
Sorry you have problems with this model......it's not cheap and so one should be getting something near perfect for the price......think I have mentioned this before on your channel in that with previous experiences I have stopped buying Hornby trains due to the lack of quality control.
On the side where the excentric doesn't move because it's 90 degrees to the axle but it must be slight of center
Thanks, not movable sadly, also notice others on youtube, all the same
Hi Mike, sorry to hear of your valve gear woes, a couple of suggestions which may help;
1 The click may be caused by one or more of the little pins in the cross head linkage binding.
2 The lengths of the small rod attached to the centre axle crank pin may be different. they should create a circle motion causing the horizontal rod to rock the banana slot back and forth as per the right hand side.
Hope this helps, good luck.
Hi Andrew, great suggestions, checked both and all ok HNY
Oh dear Mike. I think you should send it back and tell them they got the colour wrong, it should have been painted "Lemon Yellow." I couldn't actually see the crosshead jumping but the valve gear crank on the left side is way off the mark, there should be much more movement in the valve mechanism. I also noted that it was oscillating left and right on the rollers meaning that this is another loco with the infamous "Hornby wobble." There clearly remains a need for quality improvement from Hornby.
Regards, David.
Hi David, yes is does pull left and right, in time with the click, I am so very sad about this one. The shop, Gaugemaster told me they have none and Hornby are out of stock so it looks like I won't have a model after all the trouble. No idea where to start on fixing it, hope an expert might guide me
The valve gear on the left is incorrectly set as there is no movement of the expansion link. You need to slacken the crankpin nut ( referred to as the main pin) and adjust the eccentric crank so that it runs off centre. Check the offset against the right side and mimic that. It's very easy to do. Retighten the main pin nut when you're happy with the increased movement of the expansion link.
Hi, ah yes I see what you mean, trouble is there are flats on the pin to hold the cranks and the only way to change that would be to try and move the pin in the wheel, which is a bit scary lol
Re the crosshead jumping: maybe the slide bars it rides on are not parallel.
Re the smaller linkage that has little movement: I would check that the top of the vertical link isn't binding. I say that because I think I see the joint of the main driving rods that join near the middle driving wheel seem to be flexing upward at the top of their stroke and flexing downwards at the bottom. This could happen if the vertical bar were binding... I think... maybe.
Thanks, I'll check into it
I cant actually see the rolling road rollers rotating - in which case, the driving wheels are no better than scrap. What happens when its on the layout? Is it any better or worse?
Hi, runs really well on the layout oddly!
Hi, they are going round, very hard to see, runs ok on the layout thanks
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited I have plenty of steam locos which run badly on a rolling road, but fine on a layout - seems to be the norm!
And an Unhappy New Year to Hornby ! Yet another 'not right'. My 46256 initially had the slidebar problem (I bent it). The eccentric crank is not set properly on the 'no movement' side. You could try slightly unscrewing the central driving wheel boss nut, move the crank forward and re-tighten. (there is sometimes quite a bit of play in this area) ! I feel for you, Mike..........HNY............Reinhard
Many thanks Reinhard, yes it is really crushing isn't it :( I'll try that with the crank, was wondering myself if that would do it. The slidebars perplex me totally, when I bend them in the jump goes but the cross head and piston rod jam the other end. HNY
Having looked several times at the video, would I be right in suggesting that the lower slidebar is thicker (from top to bottom) at the piston end than it should be? This could cause the 'jam' at the piston end, a wedging effect. The piston rod is certainly out of line this side, @0.05, for example. Perhaps a careful 'scrape' with fine emery cloth or initially a pointed stanley knife (with the crosshead at the open end) might clear away any excess material allowing the crosshead better free movement? Failing that, Mike, I think I'd be inclined to ask for my money back.............Reinhard
@@letzterinstanz Hi, not sure about that I'll check, however I have spent 6 hours felting around today and have a conclusion I'll share later
Thanks, going to try that later as well as a few other things, will report progress, but so fed up, I did not by a 'repair' loco
I have had two Coronation models bought in 2021. The first gave up running after a handful of trips up and down thd 7 foot track, it was the drive gears not connecting. It’s replacement gas done less than 5 hours running before doing the same. The motor runs but loco gears not working. Both from same period, July 2021. I had only in the last few months bought two coaches to go with it too. Blue Coronation 2021. Comments welcome. Loco sent to Hornby for repair if possible, otherwise it goes on a shelf just to gaze at and wonder. I drew pictures of this loco as a kid and never got the silver lines correct.
Hope you get it sorted out, should not be that hard
I have the same problem with my princess class. I going to try and fix it when I'm in the right mood but I'm so tired of Hornby problems. Hope you get it fixed 👍.
HI, Oh dear this sounds like a widespread issue then. I am not sure where to start with it, seems to be two issues
Yes I know I'm going of Hornby rapidly 😕
Just thought I'd check it alongside Sir William Stanier, as they should have the same valve gear, well they do but Sir William also has the one sided expansion link issue :(
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited you made me also go back and have a second look 😕 but I'm leaving it for now like I said I have to bee in the right mood to deal with this before I completely brake it.😠😂
Sorry to hear that. I have the same issue with my West Country Class from Fireworks at Chilcompton set. Even the jumping annoys me when I look closely, it runs really well. But she is from the old date while your coronation is absolutely new! Shame on Hornby. Hope you can find the way out x
Now I am reconsidering to preorder Dutchess of Hamilton or not :/
Thanks, HNY
Problems problems, sorry to see this but not surprised! I know how you feel. Send it back.
Thanks Jerry, none others in stock so if I want it I am going to have to fix it :(
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Same experience with the Duchess of Hamilton. You and I seem to be of the few that upload these quality issues, or we are just very unlucky!
The drop link shouldn’t move. So the left side is correct
Really! everyone else has said it should, that's me confused lol
Hi Richard, thanks for your thoughts, turns out it should move, check out this great video ua-cam.com/video/b7NABUkyGok/v-deo.html
Sorry your having problems mike
Just a thought on the side of the loco with the problem is the expansion link facing the other way to the other side?
It shouldn’t happen to brand new locomotive but I have seen a few reports of similar problems online
Glad I didn’t buy one now wasn’t sure it was worth the money as I have two of the older ones
Hope you get it sorted out
Thanks Oliver, I checked and its the right way around HNY
Model Railways Unlimited Mike I have just seen your post on rmweb. Sounds like your locomotive has big problems.
Do you have an older coronation model? I have two and never had any trouble with them. Maybe worth looking on eBay
Sams trains has a video showing both the old and new ones. I didn't think there was to much difference between them
I've had trouble with my new Hornby Brighton Belle today it was totally dead
The controller was like it had a short circuit
Removed the body and couldn't see anything wrong with it.
It was about to refit the body and return it tomorrow
when I had thought about the DCC plug I replaced it with another one I had and it came to life
It had clearly never been quality checked
It makes you feel like giving up on model railways sometimes
Quality Control definitely needs to improve in the model rail industry
Hope you get it sorted one way or another and can get back to enjoying your railway
Hi Oliver, many thanks, yes a good few issues to work through, I do have an older one and like you say it is perfect and has a properly working pony truck under the cab and not this vile cheap and nasty Railroad fixed hovering wheel
(small rod) The right side is correct. See Here At 2:19: ua-cam.com/video/JR6eOUnu9sQ/v-deo.html
(left side) Maybe check the main rod pin on the centre wheel isn't loose or bent, as this could mean that piece that's moving less than the right side has slipped out of alignment, or maybe stuck when pin was screwed in. Thus causing less movement.
And as for the crosshead issue, can you check the gap measurement between the top and bottom crosshead rail? This would best be done with a calliper. The rails don't look parallel to me, and the lower one looks a little bent too.
Many thanks Sammy, The non moving expansion link is simply due to the fact that Hornby failed to offset it on the crank pin. There seems no way to move the crank pin now to allow this. Looking at other peoples Coronation and Princess class locos it seems to be a common issue sadly. There clearly is an issue with the cross head, I am very loathed to keep on at it as the bars are mounted in plastic and as such could easily snap. I'll keep you all updated.
I've just Princess Alexander as I've gone mad and bought the whole 9 coach coronation train.
On arrival I notice that the driving wheels on the left side are not correctly mounted and do not run concentrically as a result. Looking at your video I notice you have the same issue.
It's not too hard to correct, but nonetheless this model lacks the quality of the Princess class IMHO.
Hi, very interesting. How do you correct this?
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited careful pressure and manipulation of the wheel...do be careful not to use excessive force.
OH NO! Hornby really needs to get the quality control up to standard. No wonder why they are going bankrupt.
Agreed Andrew
What frustration. I've waited to see if Hornby had overcome their issues with this model. I so desperately want one. But your video and other feedback tell me no. If you can't sell one of these to a LMS enthusiast like me then hornby have problems.
Yes ita all very sad, runs ok now but still clicks
Oh no, yet another problem - I’m sure you’ll fix it!
Thanks Harry, I hope so, looking for some tips
I was honestly expecting a video like this would appear from you, sadly. Is nothing sacred with Hornby? It’s spectacular that such a thing can have such a flaw.
I noticed Hornby uploaded videos titled “what happens next?” Or something along those lines to the channels of the individual brands. “I dunno, maybe bankruptcy.” Is what I said to myself. Horrifying.
Yeah, I'd been being so positive as well, looked past my 700 with a limp, I really don't know where it will end.
HORNBY need to kick some ass if they expect to stay viable. I scour the web for reviews on their current catalogue, and while some reviewers, find little to criticize, it is becoming increasingly apparent that many are finding HORNBY a risk due to substandard quality control, mainly related to the mechanics. As a steam engine buff, these seem to bear the brunt of mechanical faults due to their complexity and can be attributed to poor assembly or design. Not good when price is high for these engines, and most are resold at low prices on EBAY due to running problems. Nobody wants to see HORNBY fail but they are losing their market because of poor quality running and reliability. They may look good as display models, but are a real disappointment in performance.
agree fully that said the last set have been fine
Sorry you have problems with this model......it's not cheap and so one should be getting something near perfect for the price......think I have mentioned this before on your channel in that with previous experiences I have stopped buying Hornby trains due to the lack of quality control.
I'd stopped as well but when this came out I could not resist, my Mrs as not happy I got it either.
Nice model. Poor quality . Wonder what Simon Koller will have to say about this..........
Yeah I do wonder :(