I figured he had to divest himself of Trina because he saw how the Merika/Radagon duality messed things up. So by becoming a singular person being, he would not be schlepping the counter to his plans along with him.
I think Miquella generally removed all his aspects because he didn't want to get his emotions in the way. From what I've seen so far it seems Marika was motivated by hatred for the hornsent, for what the hornsent did to her people. I think the Shaman's village kinda clears that up
@@Verbmo It apparently did not ship in the game at all. Like its nowhere in the game files, according to other creators who actually look through the files for cut content.
I’m a fervent believer that Radahn didn’t agree with the Vow due to him not having Leonard at his side. You don’t just commit your life to a sect of magic to ride your beloved horse and even keep that sense in your state of rotting madness only to abandon him.
So you think Radahn, the promised consort, didn't make a promise at all. So then, why is he named the promised consort? That's not how promises work. If a promise was never made, then nothing was ever promised. It's just cope.
I know that Miyazaki said that they have no plans for more Elden Ring content/DLC BUT how sick would it be if we got to go into the Divine Gate. Both Marika and Miquella have been in there. Damn. I wish we could see it.
I was thinking is it the place where the meteor landed from tgw, a place which still has connection to it now that the fingers are senile or dead. At first I thought maybe all the bodies there died from the impact because they now seem petrified and some are in positions that suggest they died in that pose in a flash and got preserved that way. If the bodies are from a slaughter Marika comitted, maybe there's some radiation from the impact site that preserved them, or that Marika triggered when she solidified her godhood..it literally solidified the bodies and others standing there too. Its kinda ironic that Miq is trying to shed his heritage while doing the exact same thing as his mom. He doesn't commit massacres himself tho, he gets others to do it for him. Actually now I think about it, Marika does the same, that "charm"..it maybe a part of the deal. Marika was "seduced" by tgw, becomes its vessel, so has its components including this charm within her, until the shattering or until Miq inherits it. I'm unclear whether the demigods all took their great rune only after shattering or (some) were born with it, since its mentioned Malenia's was "supposed to be the greatest", it sounds like she was born with it then? Ranni sets the world free from the influence of tgw, so she wouldn't go to that gate if its indeed the impact site or its tied to tgw in another way. The gate itself doesn't give a benevolent vibe obviously and I don't think "becoming a god" there is the natural order, its tgw's order, that's why it doesn't fit the world and everything in it and starts to/is open to rot. Its an order from some space entity with delusions of grandeur who doesn't even care about this world but likes to take credit for creating it. Ofc Marika fiddled with the runes on top of that. Ironically, her godhood started with death and suffering, her own included, she ascended thanks to and amid a bloody massacre literally surrounded by death, yet death is the part she wanted to remove from the world and deny..ofc that was never gonna work. That's why she hid the shadow lands, to hide how she ascended from death.
@@illyria7756 One thing I found weird is that TGW hasn't been communicating with the fingers at all, as stated by the Metyr's remembrance and weapon. Metyr the mother of fingers has been trying to communicate with TGW but never got a response. A plausible theory from Gingy is that the two fingers "communicating" with TGW in the main game is actually them communicating with Metyr, and Metyr basically "winging it" or standing in while waiting for TGW to respond to her, but it never did.
Radahn was definitely manipulated into promising Miquella to be his consort. there would be no other reason why Malenia want sent to deliver Radahn to Miquella (in this case making it so Radahn is so weak he is able to have his flickering soul taken from his decaying body and placed into the body of mogh which through battle strengenths his soul so that he can fufill his promise to miquella that he made unwillingly)
I think Miquella wants complete control of the universe/multiverse. I also do think miquella genuinely wants peace in the universe. Miquella power is that he is able to enchant anything. Miquella enchanted all he came across with. He has plans to eliminate all outer gods using whatever means necessary, even sacrificing Mohg and using Radahn. Maybe after eliminating all outer gods, he will be able to cure Godwyn and resurrect everyone. In the end, Miquella will enchant everything in the universe. The whole universe will bend to his will. Only then in his mind will peace and compassion exist.
Just killed the final boss and was so confused, I thought I missed like an epic cut scene or something. I was definitely expecting something more honestly.
Finally got around to this video, and you are the first person I've seen give so much attention to the minutia of the secret rite, even among other videos that focus on the ending specifically. Massive respect for not just glossing over that here 🤝
I really wish we can get an additional ending to the base game if we got our heart stolen by miquella. That would really makes the dlc more impactful rather than a separate entity.
I just felt so empty after beating him, I was expecting something exciting to happen and then my face went from 😀 to 😐 real quick, probably one of the most empty endings to any dlc I’ve ever played before lol, still great overall!
Oh my gosh, sorry to spam your comments, but the Celebrants dancing outside the windmills have ornamentation in the same shape as Marika’s rune/Divine Gateway and is covered in flowers. In the DLC, you can pick up festive grease that “imparts a festive incantation that grants the wielder a scant few runes on landing attacks. The delightful festival is an old tradition; one old enough for the Erdtree to tacitly tolerate its endurance.” It’s like the irl Maypole festive in that it’s a pagan practice, but tolerated.m the holy order. The grease has the same flowers as what’s found in the Hinterlands and Dominula. It feels like this practice could lead to the birth of “gold” seen from the frenzy flame as hornsent saints are flayed and piled high.
@@MadLuigi Unrelated but I think Ranni already ascended by discarding her flesh through the night of black knives, but she held onto her compassion and "soul" you might say. Godwyn was the one whom lost his soul and compassion and all that. Perhaps if empyreans have other selves like Radagon/Marika, St. Trina/Miquela, Ranni kept her other self (shown by that glowing side face she has?)
Why tf would anyone think godwyn would be the final boss, didnt the lore explicitly state that miquella was entirely unsuccessful in granting godwyn true death? Also if miquella revived godwyn, it would clash with miquellas symbolism. Hes forever youthful and quits contantly like an indecisive little kid. Gave up curing malenia, gave up the haligtree and all his followers, gave up mercifully ending godwyn, gave up literally everything. The one thing that he couldnt give up on wanted nothing to do with him, that radahn would rather die then become miquellas consort, which is probably the agreement that miquella made with radahn, not realising miquella was 100% serious. "Dear brother become my consort" "Over my dead body." "Bet. Say less." Not saying his research into godwyn was what gave him the idea, but i am saying it probably helped. Dudes main pre dlc goal was researching death and rebirth. In fact malenia being rot and miquella being a flower before bloom represent the first halfs on a two part cycle. Think of it like this. Miquella is the egg, and malenia is the cocoon. Not a perfect analogy but follow with me. The egg becomes the catterpillar, and then begins to change into its second state a butterfly in a more esoteric mythical way. In the intem descriptions (i dont know which ones just that they are crafting items.) That first its starts of as a seed, then sprouts into a flower. Then it dies, ROTS, and becomes a tree. Because marika removed the rune of death, the two couldnt reach their second states because the tree and the flower while beautiful, qre the first signs that one day the plant will die, because it has finished growing. Miquella just wanted to treat the symptoms when he is infact example 1 of why everything in elden ring is wrong.
@@vishwajeetpanwar3271 from my understanding it was out of convenience She needed somebody to lose a soul so she can lose flesh and he was there during the night Maybe the real target was somebody else? She wasnt happy about it But it was the "sacrifice" she was willing to make *wink wink*
He was shedding all the wrong stuff, should've shed tgw like Ranni. But nooo, the kid needed to be a "god" lol. Maybe he couldn't part with being woshipped.
He quit because everything is a mess beyond his power, caused by people around him, not because he is indecisive. Absolutely nobody else could have done anything more than him. Malenia is plagued by a god, the haligtree needs a god blood, Godwyn is killed by Ranni. There is no proof at all Radahn would rather die than become his consort.
Bit off-topic but I found a lot of DLC's explaining the 'Game of Thrones' style family history and intrigue really lacking but it was brilliant explaining a little more on the wider lore especially with the Greater Will, Fingers, Marika and the system that likely helped propel her forward. Also I feel the Crucible being multiple currents representing different things in nature rather than one single object more satisfying, like the cut description of of the Miranda flowers item talking about the Flower Crucible...it made no sense in the Base game but fits this multiple Crucible idea in the DLC.
I think that when we get in Radahn's second phase his soul is beeing controlled by Mogh's cursed blood (that would be the fire we see, the bloodfire instead of Radahn's rune's fire) and when Miquella appears and embraces him, it reminded me of Sherosh, Godfrey's lion. Sherosh is in Godfrey's back to help him control his warrior instinct and I feel like Miquella is doing exactly the same, but using his unique power, therefore the golden aura. I fell sorry for Radahn, he wanted an honorauble death and now his soul is trapped in a cursed body and mindcontrolled by his have brother.
Ngl I don’t understand why Miquella was such a villain? Like the whole world kinda sucks and it’s not like the tarnished would’ve ushered in anything better than what Miquella wanted. I sorta wish we got a new ending for the base game to explain it better.
I think the main reason Miquella is not a very good person is shown by the fact that we get no option to side with him. It’s either get charmed into blind following, or die fighting him. He doesn’t give you the option of following or allowing his age of compassion through choice. I think Miquella became too obsessed with his goal and it became twisted and thin, sacrificing every part of himself in order for it to not hurt him to do bad things in the name of his age of compassion. It is ironic that in the end he turns out just another pawn in the Greater Will’s plans, resembling Marika herself, after being so against both. He got carried away and lost himself, especially shown by his hiding away of St. Trina
I doubt that is the case. We can side with the Frenzied Flame, Freaking Poop Eater and even hust take Radagons place in the age of fracture which changes nothing about the world. Even if you think Miquella is bad, we have sided with FAR WORSE so i dont why they dont give us the option to side with him.
@madluigi Theory: Marika learned how to be a saint via the Hornsent’s jar ritual, then turned it against them: she slaughtered the entire race and built the gate of divinity as a mega-jar that allowed her to transcend sainthood and become a God. She just needed a bigger jar with more bodies.
But could it be that Radanh never wanted to be Miquellas consort? That could be the reason why Milenia fought him trying to kill him, then maybe kill Mogh so he could be revived in Moghs body. But because Radanh didnt die and Milenia was not able to continue, the plan was stopped until the tarnished completed the plan.
I think war would be inevitable because of the constant power struggles perpetrated from the demigods and outer gods. That’s why his divinity would be a prison. The realities of divine power would circumvent any noble intentions, just like Marika’s intentions to remove death were unsustainable. It’s sort of like when a company goes public. The company had a purpose when it was private and it made a service or product to fulfill that purpose. Once it’s publicly traded, its sole purpose is to make money. Godhood is the same in Elden Ring. The purpose of divinity becomes holding onto power. Marika’s Soreseal depicts this as a burden or curse. This is why St. Trina plead for us to kill Miquella, and it’s why Marika yeeted the Elden Ring.
This was such a disappointment. Nothing was answered, there's nothing in the base game that changes after you defeat the boss, and there's no real reward except a 5 second cutscene.
@00:18 is it ever explained what that large archway of dead bodies is, why its there and what the woman was doing with the golden thread she pulls from a corpse in the trailer?
I suspect there’s a secret ending where we can let miquella and his consort proceed. In phase 2, after they become a god, if we get grabbed , hear his promise but then use his own discarded great rune to remove the death effect, then getting grabbed again, we can hear miquella out without dying and achieve his ending. I’m curious to see what he says on a third grab …
I don’t play this game enough to test this theory (if anyone wants to go ahead) but what if during the final boss fight of the dlc, when you get your heart stolen and die, you then go and finish the base game without finishing the dlc and killing Miquella. Maybe it would give an alternate ending to the game?
The ranni didn’t need to go to the divine gateway because she isn’t becoming a divinity she is just “subjugating the wold” to the power of the star that is most likely some sort of destiny as we intend it in our world
I thought it was the power of the formless mother that Mogh harnessed in his body activating the bodys at the gate, which opened it. This makes more sense. Wonder if this is how Marika and radagon re assembled themselves.
I really wish we had a fight with miquella when he's shed his eternal youth. All the descriptions talk about how incredibly powerful he was and how terrifying it'd be if he were to ever lose his youth but he's basically thrown it all away by the time we see him in the dlc. With malenia we saw everything including her blooming into a goddess of rot, meanwhile for all the stories of Miquella's immense strength he's basically just radahn's scarf
His power comes from his ability to take control over you. He is not physically strong, Radhan is the strongest demigod. You are mistaking power with physical/battle capability.
I only just finished this fight today. Although the ending didnt bring full closure, im not ashamed to say I got teary just at the epic scale of this boss and Miquellas charm. Not quite Geralt-and-Ciri reunification, but a tear or two
hello there,there is a scene in the last part of gameplay trailer in which miquella is raising his hand infront of the big tree in shadow realm it seems like that no one has unlocked it yet and can you check this plz i think one of its steps is to get your heart stolen by miquella and i dont know after that beat the elden beast? plz check it out man
Day by day more people are talking about it. We’ll have our answer soon hopefully. Did FromSoft cut that scene out or are we missing something. Waiting for a dataminer to come out with something.
Imagine a frenzied flame ending where you fight Melina, who reveals herself to be the Gloam-Eyed Queen as the final boss, giving you what is truly yours: Destined Death.
The circlet of light.. Is that the beast of whatever Outer God Miquella chose? Much like the Elden Beast became the Ring after it was tamed by its empyrean, the circlet also seems to be something akin to the Ring. And surely the Elden Ring was the foundation on which the Age of Gold was built upon.
Interesting, so like Marika had radagon, so did miqulla had saint trina, also i think his sin is his age of compassion, because it will not be optional his power is to forcefully compel affection so im under the assumption that he would with the powe of a god force a docile obedient compassion on the Masses weather they want it for not, the world would be kind and nice when striped of all freedom.
Is it even clear that Radahn accepted the vow in the first place? We only hear Miquella's side of it. To me, it doesn't seem like Radahn was a willing participant in any of it. If he had wanted to be Miquella's consort, why would he so tenaciously resist death for ages? Also, I've seen a lot of people lately comparing Ranni and Miquella, and claiming Ranni also became a god. I'm not sure where that idea comes from. I don't think she's ever referred to as a god, or implied to be one.
I just thought of something : what if What Marika is holding in the trailer is Radagon's soul, ans she used herself as a vessel. She would then host two souls battling for control. She would have killed him because of a disagreement in what to do with godhood or who deserved it, so it would make sense, kind of...
You got to wonder do they deliberately leave things unanswered to piss people off, or is it just there to add detail to an area, like the divine gate we never got an answer to why there's frozen corpses seeming running away from something in the Advent Plaza in Bloodborne, like i said if you think about it if there not there, the area would look oddly empty of detail.
It's to leave a sense of mystery to the setting. Not every little thing has to be explained. A popular example of this kind of storytelling is the Wizards in Lord of the Rings. Tolkein wrote about the White wizard, the Grey wizard, and the Brown wizard. However, the two Blue wizards are only mentioned and never show up. When questioned about this, Tolkein explained that it makes the world seem much larger if there are stories and implications happening outside the one we're focusing on. That not every character needs to be explained.
I can understand leaving things open ended and I’ve only ever played Elden Ring for a fromsoft game but if this is how they handle every game it’s going to get real annoying like people thought this dlc would explain things left open in the base game but all it did was bring even more questions with very few answers. I don’t need every little thing explained but when it’s so open ended it requires UA-camrs and redditors to mind you only give out theories and not the actual story theirs an issue.
i really wonder if we will ever get some sort of dlc of sorts where it focuses on Marika and she would be alive and would basicly be like "sever this cicle what i did was a mistake" would be interesting imo
i think Ranni's ending is revenge for what marika and fingers did to her mother.... Rennala is the majesty of the night.....and i think the rennala we fight is just a puppet with real body inside the cocoon in her hands or its a new body for ranni inside the small cocoon in her hands. An immortal body that rebirths every time it dies equal to a god without the grace of the fingers.
Might sound weird, but maybe it's a space battle? I thought it was weird that he didn't pick Godwyn, but maybe it's because Radahn has all that gravity, space altering magic and he's thinking about going to the source lol
Ive said this before and i will continue to hold this opinion unless they do more with the game but the DLC had a lack of choices, all the quest lines kinda just drop off and force you into one specific ending which is very lame. Also no femboy husband ending why live
The choices were pretty lacking; no option to just say hey Miquella do ur thing. One of the original endings is Frenzy, so even if Miq is evil, that in itself isn't a reason to prevent us siding w him.
@@MadLuigi The thing is with elden ring, there is no exact "good or evil" But yeah the thing that really annoys me is the lack of any new dialogue within the base game in relevance to the massive lore bombs. the biggest of these is no new dialogue for Melina, or may I remind you can definitely still be with you when you go to the land of shadow. The fact that we kill a Lord of the Frenzy flame and she has NOTHING to say about that like what!?
Of course there isn't a age of compassion ending. That ending is you being charmed my miquella in the last fight. This is a god associated with sleep (formerly) and compelling affections against others will. Radahn had to be killed to be Miquellas consort, he did not consent to this. Miquellas age of compassion is lobotomizing everyone so they can play nice. No free will. You love him, the hornset love him, the albunorics love him and we all get along because we love him. The reason there are mirrors to Ranni is because while both are rejections of the erdtree order, one is giving it's people free will outside the influence of the greater will, the other is simply enacting more control albiet not the greater wills'. Theres not a choice of a new ending because Miquellas goal isn't even an option. DO you want to be a mind controlled zombie? Likely not, the only recourse is conflict with him and defending the ending we chose in the base game. Miquella is here to challenge us, if not as an agent of the erdtree/Marika and our chosen rune, then as the liberator of the lands between or even a doom cultist intent on burning everything away with the frenzied flame. All of these things Miquella opposes in one way or another.
Hmm, i assume marika went through the gate to obtain godhood because before the erdtree that was maybe where the gloam eyed queen resided. Marika seduced and betrayed her somehow using information she learned from the fingers, and began her age of gold/erdtree. In the lands between to obtain the power of the divine one must enter the erdtree because that is where the god dwelt, power of the previous order. Miquella was basically trying to restart all of this by doing what his mother did but in his own way
Ahh, i see! So Radagon was the Lord who ushered Merika. Radan and Miquella would, if successful, share a body like Radagon and Merika. Thats what i think.
Are there changes if you beat the DLC before completing the base game ? Like let’s say you beat Mogh and Radahn and you stop the progress of the main story at say the Fire giant. Does that change the ending of the base game or impact the DLC at all ? I’m making a new character to find out but it might be a while before I get there and the not knowing is driving me mad haha
If I’m not mistaken, that’s the cannon order of the game, you play until you beat radahn and mohg then you beat dlc then go back to base and finish, it’s why no one recognizes you as Elden lord when you go to the LOS
I was disappointed by this ending too but I can’t think how I’d change it to make it better. Like it could easily be worse, but idk how it could be better.
I disagree, I wholly believe that Radahn would not have, willingly, agreed to the Vow. First of all, In Miquellas age of Compassion, Radahn would not get his endless war as Freyja says. I believe the enchantment put on Freyja may have been stronger due to the fact that Miquella kissed her wound i mean she even says "it is her compass" at one point (Source from another lore video i think i might have missed this when i played). Also it could be that even if not under the influence of enchantment Freyja could be loyal to Miquella due to him saving her life and she is deluding herself into believing that being Miquella's consort would be best for Radahn ie (such a nice guy would never deprive Radahn of the thing he loves the most) and she simply may not know what Miquella intends to do once he achieves godhood. Furthermore with mind control powers Miquella would never need to fight anyone as he could just enchant everyone he meets (I believe that everyone would wear the golden circlet or something) and Miquella would control everyone. Maybe there would be an initial big war but the war would definitely not be endless. Certainly, Miquella would want to avoid the wars that characterized his mothers age as the world would not be a gentler place. ALSO LETS NOT FORGET. Miquella could just enchant Radahn into accepting the Vow and promising to be his consort; because he is a nice guy and knows what Radahn wants, an honourable death in battle, he can delude himself into believing that Radahn is following him willingly. Perhaps this is the Sin that St Trina talks about. Maybe even Miquella has his own doubts about this (maybe he can mind control people subconsciously). These may be the doubts he discards after discarding his Love because he no longer cares if Radahn is willingly following him or not. That's also probably why there had to be a whole clash of armies. I think maybe Radahn was aware of the promise he was forced to make and was fighting against it. Anyway GREAT VIDEO :). I think It'll be great if someone gets hugged twice and finishes the game after to see if its possible to get a Miquella ending but i doubt it. It does seem to go against everything Miyazaki stands for, getting satisfaction from a hard won victory (Radahn). Rather than just Mind controlling everyone and getting an easy Victory (Miquella). CHEESING A PERFECT SOCIETY! :D I love games that make me think :) best game of all time!
Radahn is said to have refused the first offer from the twins but agreed on revised vow. And strange thing here is that, Melania had to go to Callid and kill off Radahn to start the process. Was there no other way to do that? And even if there was no other way than his death, why he kept fighting scarlet rot and also kept stopping the stars? He was a Carian royal family member and like others his fate was based on stars too, even if he rebelled his fate, he tried to stop his fate by stopping the stars. Altogether, condition to become the God is to be selected by Two Fingers and have a powerful consort who would act as the vessel of the lord. Godfrey was such lord, and then Marika created her other half Radagon to create another flawed one. It is also funny, twin demi gods both have health complications due to this selfcest. Gods could be chosen by Two FIngers only who themselves could not even hear Greater Will so it was a mess, maybe thats why in Ranni's ending she never became a God because she knew that it was all meaningless.
Arguably Bloodborne's DLC gave us a more conclusive ending. By resolving the underlying curse of Kos it's unlikely that Yharnam endless nights of hunting will continue after we take care of the Moon Presence. At first we treated the symptom by hunting a great one, now we've dealt with the underlying disease. While Elden Ring SOTE changes nothing. Hell Miquella's plan relies on us killing Radahn and Mohg, and inviting us to the one realm where we can stop him. So either he was dealing with a mending rune Elden lord, who has no need to fight Mohg, stopping the plan cold. Or he has to fight the Duskborn, Age of Stars, or Frenzied Flame Lord which can crush him. I assume he was going to make a run at the Elden Ring which means he would have to get through us, Radagon, and the Elden Beast. The latter two being resistant to holy. Much like all of Miquella's plans this too was going to inevitably fail.
He didn't invite us there. It is a literal plot point that Grace takes us there. Your inability to understand says nothing of the quality of the story. But it is true that it changes little to nothing. It's just that you're simply not capable of understanding why because you base your expectations off of fan fiction. @@ISayEssays
@@ISayEssays tbf dark souls didnt fix anything either. After beating the ringed city the cycle of fire and dark still continues until the world is nothing but ash and dust. the world is beyond saving, the only solution is the painting. a new world untouched by the cycle of dark and fire, while also being immune to a cycle of its own by using the dark soul as pigment so it will never rot and cause another ariandel tragedy.
Kind of a letdown indeed. That pretty much sums up the entire DLC for me, unfortunately. It's still really good and great fun, mostly, but I feel it's pretty lacking. I wanted to love it and had such high hopes, how could you not after the base game. Oh well still cool just wanted some actual resolution for the giant gaping mysteries lol. Onto the next game!
Even after dlc the story feels unfinished. Consort Radahn was by far the most difficult boss ever but disappointed the final boss for Elden ring’s only dlc was a reskin.
The story will always leave people feeling flat in so far as the story maintains the level of nihilism that it's had from the start. All the characters are tragic representations of good intentioned people struggling to bring something good into a world where no good is lasting or universal. It's a reflection of the hopelessness and division of our present day and age...an age of fracture indeed. Maybe that's why the story finds resonance within us without solving anything or providing any hope.
I didn’t realize it even ended. I was looking around waiting for the climax. Nothing. Wow, how could they make the ending so lame? When you don’t even realize the game ended because the final cutscene was just a girl speaking in a dark room.
Something I noticed just an hour ago playing with Radahns armour on is that the armour (both the OLD and the new) has Miquellas sigil/emblem on the upper part of the cape! The same sigil that appears when casting Miquellas spells! It's literally on Radahns back even in the base game! You can also find St.Trinas sword in Caelid, as well as a large amount of Miquella Lillies overlooking Radahns arena (it's got the most dense amount of Miquella Lilies in the game).
youtube mary and jesus in the quran and mohmmad in the bible and the Torah and the scientific miracles of the quran and mohmmad in hindu scripture … according the bible that you have
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God doesn't get tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus dies (1 Timothy 1:17) God doesn't die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God Doesn't grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep (John 5:19) Jesus isn't all powerful (Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful (Mark 13:32) Jesus isn't all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing ...................
Lmao... no it doesn't theres a whole field of them in a different area... no where near Caelid People STOP creating context where it doesnt exist.... also thats not Miquella's symbol... Its similar but i think its actually his own. They have distinct differences.. Rahdan has two lions beneath his tree(possibly representing Radagan and Godfrey) also look at the top. Miquellas top is a rounded young sapling. Radhan's tree top is spread open into 3 branches on either side aswell there is some kind of crowning symbol above those 6 branches in the center possibly the gravity symbol like on his swords. He needed to sacrifice his twin just to kill Radahn or weaken him enough for capture. Its much more likely Radahn was allied with Ranni and Rykard. There lots of evidence proving this. The only thing that would change this is if Ranni really is a puppet of Miquella like her ingame area implies with dozens of confirmed context clues... Unfortunately we wont really know because from got lazy and decided to fuck all of us over to go work on somthing new... Honestly idk if im down for another let down like Elden Ring... how can you have such amazing gameplay and fuck up the one thing people love the most about this series.. the lore... Honestly all the lore channels should just move on because they just put this story to sleep..and its never getting back up.. I just cant believe it... i dont think the realization has hit most people yet how bad this really was..
True, but they fought with full conviction and preparation I'd say. Both Ansbach and Thriollier got to complete their quests and find some resolution in their final acts
I mean, the way he draped himself around Radahn was creepy asf..his facial expression. While talking to us never even glanced at us. Rude little fk lol.
I saw somebody comment on another video that the age of compassion would involve Miquella charming the entire world to make everybody love him, as evidenced by the charm status you receive being signified by Miquella's circlet, which is the foundation his age would be built on, so on the surface everything would be great, but in reality it would be a dystopia where everybody would essentially have their free will removed. I think Miquella realized how screwed up this age of compassion would actually be, because the first cross where he abandoned St. Trina reads "Here I abandon my fear and vacillation" implying he had to remove St. Trina in order to convince himself that this is the right thing to do
@@illyria7756 based on the dictionary it’s not based on any emotion. Compassion definition “Deep awareness of the suffering of another accompanied by the wish to relieve it.” Has nothing to do with love…
YO, I think the arm that Miquella is missing is the same one that's hanging out of the cocoon. There's also a cross-grace left behind by him that says he leaves behind his arm, and despite that being the singular word for arms I never found another cross-grace where he left the other. Maybe that proves that the corpse inside the cocoon in mohgwyn palace IS really Miquella.
and that's why ringed city as an ending to an entire franchise was the best dlc....this one lore wise just seems off especially considering the fact that it's the final update to the universe
I disagree. If you dig deep in the lore of BB, the Old Hunters actually did a lot to feel in the gaps and bring a lot of closure to multiple characters in the story.
DLC has been out for only a week. it took months for anything in the base game to start being established. itll likely take just as long if not longer now that we have both the dlc and the base game being recontextualized. there will ALWAYS be things in fromsoft games that go unanswered due to lost history (Velka in dark souls is one such example) however this DLC over time should prove to have answered many of our questions and ask a few new ones.
I feel like the Ending was unsatisfying, I at least wanted to get to talk to Miquella or something before be just dies, and the lack of a real "Ending Cinematic" was a bummer as well 😭😭😭 still a phenomenal DLC but the ending left me wanting more in terms of lore
I think the vow Miquella and Radahn made was that if Radahn was ever killed, he would go along with Miquella's plan, but because Radahn was such a golden order fanboy, he didn't make it easy.
i think it was like 1. radahn has refused the vow miquella proposed ( but i have no idea what radahn wanted because a vow requires sacrifice by both parts and we know miquella wanted radahn) or 2. radahn accepted but he wanted to fight malenia, so miquella sent her in a 1 vs 1 until death battle, so it would had been good both ways ( but it doesnt make sense why use scarlet aeonia )
@@pontiffsulyvahn890Idk much about Elden Ring lore, but could it be possible that Miquella manipulated Malenia (with whatever reason) to go fight Radahn so he could have his way either way? Getting Radahn killed by any means necessary, even if it means using Scarlet Rot, a.k.a nuking Caelid?
Theory. Radan's great rune burns to ward off the rot, it burns gold to try and ward off Maquilas influence. The rune is of endurance/ perseverance (raising HP, Stamina, FP).
I really want them to patch this in as/with an ending for Miquella, so that at least we wouldn’t have this discourse over what the DLC’s “intended message” is anymore.
9:59 he in fact, cures any current scarlet rot status in the 2nd phase. I used to think it was just miquella using some cure spell, but this makes a lot more sense.
I learnt this the hard way, had to re-apply the rot for phase 2 was touch and go but got there :) actually used Maliena’s incantation not sure how I feel about that now.
His age of “compassion” is not about looking out for the downtrodden as you mention, it’s about compelling all to have compassion and love for HIM. Ansbach literally tells us that in game and in the trailer. Miquella has the power to compel the love of others while he himself has divested himself of love TO others as stated by his crosses scattered through the land. So everyone will love him whether they would want to or not.
i think i know what’s going on. there are 2 ways of becoming a god, but both are technically by pairing the empyrean with another: a god sponsor, and/or a king consort. for ranni, she paired herself with the dark moon (i think the dark moon is called celes, because the manus metyr is a house of worship for metyr, so the manus celes is a house of worship for celes), and us, her king consort. malenia has no king consort, but she’s paired with the rot, and when we slay her it’s “god slain” instead of “legend felled”. elden beast is a god because it is paired with the greater will, or something. so who did marika pair with when she became a god? she was spurred by the two fingers (probably because how close her home is to the finger ruins), so probably the greater will, but unlike malenia who just let her god take over, marika used the divine gate. the divine gate requires a vessel, a lord’s soul and an empyrean, so who is marika’s lord and vessel? maybe radagon. 2 halves joined in the same vessel. this is why miquella abandoned his other half. he needed strength to carry out his thousand year kingdom, so he and radahn will be another marika - radagon situation: 2 souls inhabiting the same body. that’s why the remembrance carries both of them, because they have, or are, becoming one being. furthermore, unlike other mounted bosses, like nameless king or prince lothric, radahn and miquella don’t attack one after another, their attacks are simultaneous. radahn’s swordplay is paired with miquella’s light. if we hand’g stopped miquella, miquella’s soul would fully fuse with radahn’s soul inhabiting mohg’s body, and such a force is unstoppable. i think there should have been an ending where we allow miquella to take the throne and see his vision come to pass, but i also think we didn’t need to. how can a sightless, heartless, loveless god be compassionate? and if you were wondering what his kingdom might look like, i think i should mention that miquella is extremely similar to his mother. miquella charms people to follow him and do his bidding. marika charmed the hornsent grandma into revealing where and how to use the divine gate, then betrayed her. marika used messmer and then hoarah loux to carry out her purges. miquella would likely use radahn as well as others he manages to charm to subjugate others under his vision as well. marika’s age was supposed to be bountiful, to be full of life and void of death, yet we found this supposed utopia in ruins. can we say that miquella’s kingdom will be any different? i think there were 2 major themes in this dlc: parenting or family and vengeance. there is messmer who is an exceptional son up until his death, and there is ymir who seeks to be a mother to his reborn child as a coping mechanism for his passing. there is the hornsent and igon whose thirst for vengeance led to their demise. what goes around comes around, and try as he might, there is no way miquella can be better than his parent
Yo i basically have the same theory i posted on reddit, but my theory marika first consort are some hornsent leader or smth, since marika have the backing of 2 fingers and hornsent culture are about godhood/divine, marika use a promise of godhood to seduce the hornsent
Ughhh i just want to embrace miquellas age of compassion. The only thing that frustrates me about the dlc is that it was clearly meant to be in there and they removed it for some reason.
Ending was so disappointing. I was dying to know what was on the other side of that gate just to find out u can’t go through it after the hell Of a boss fight nor have a cutscene 😞
I took Freyja’s words as just giving her giving her opinion on what she thinks is best for Radahn not as what he thinks from what I’ve read Radahn is more of a compassionate and kind man then what most people believe
This is why I thought Freyja is frankly unreliable. I think it’s merely her impression of Radhan. He still doesn’t strike me as someone who would agree to be revived to begin with, it feels like he’d brand it dishonorable. Like, would Radahn not bring up how that may dishonor all the KIA Redmanes that he surely holds close? He might see it as an insult to their memory. I feel like there was no two sided vow, Miquella offered it and Radahn declined. This is the same guy who venerates 2 Elden Lords. That is, blending admiration for both his father Radagon and of course Godfrey. He’d see this vow as traitorous. Also a note on Radahn’s mechanical movements in cutscenes - he seems to move almost robotically in the DLC version, as though he’s being controlled. In the base game, his cutscene movements were lifelike, after all, it’s still his actual body there. This is why I think Radahn even fights us, he’s entirely being controlled by Miquella to do so.
@@Drew_621 While I do believe Freyja’s words is just her opinion. I also believe there was a Vow at one point in time between Radahn and Miquella because there is both visual evidence and dialogue that supports the theory that he was a lot closer to is Carian Roots then the GO - There is a Moon Alter used by Carian’s and there ancestors -Rykard has a picture of Radahn in his manor -Iji Ranni’s war consular help make weapons for the Redmanes Has far as we know the games written reason for why he fought conquered the stars was to defend Selia. Overall to me Radahn only look up Godfrey and Radagon has strong warriors not because they are apart of the GO As for Radahn’s connection with Miquella on the surface they have no connection but one piece of lore that is mysterious about Miquella is his connection to the Carians I originally thought that was from Ranni do to the summoning bell but no that we know Miquella and Radahn has a connection that could be the missing link Loretta the Carian knight who wants to bring albaneric’s to a safe haven goes to the halitree how was she able to find it sense it’s hidden to the public I mean sure she can be a badass and find it herself or could be go to Radahn the Carian prince who has a albaneric as his best friend and a connection to Miquella for now is she went to him for help. There is also that mysterious sword that Miquella crafted in the style of a Carian knight sword people are now speculating that it could have been a ceremonial marriage sword that Miquella was gonna give to Radahn As for the battle of Aoenia I think a lot of people are not taking into consideration is that it was the Shattering and all the Demigods were tainted in some way do to the Great Runes which caused a all out war do to their ambition Radahn was affected just like the rest of them and more then likely want back on his vow to Miquella believing he can grab power his own way Miquella sent Meliana to either subdue or kill Radahn and that lend to the stalemate and Meliana desperate to win unleashed the rot I don’t believe Miquella intended for the rot to happen else why would he go out of his way to heal Freyja
The “we” miquella was referring to seems like he was talking about his other half, st. Trina. I don’t believe Miquella wanted to separate himself from her and it was likely a last resort considering how far he had to bury her to rid himself of her.
I dont think this is the case because Miquella then says "my consort." If he was speaking of himself and Trina as plural/we, he wouldn't have used singular there
Perhaps the eternal war/battle is an illusion. He would place Radhan's conscious mind in an enteral slumber where he dreams only of battle while the rest of his mind & borrowed body serves his god. His agreement is to become a mindless puppet in return for the dream of never ending battle since real life could not provide it for him.
Pretty much all of the Incantations that have to do with light, are connected to Miquella. So I wonder if the Sword of Light and the Sword of Darkness have any connections to him as well. (and the fact that his crown is called Circlet of Light sounds like a direct comparison.)
I am still losing sleep over the DLC teaser trailer. Who did Marika take the golden object from? What was the affair? More unanswered questions than information gained imo.
The lore in SOTE is just disappointing. It offers nothing new or interesting to any of the major mysteries of the base game. It entirely abandons Godwyn, Ranni, and Melina. And tbh it neglects to even flesh out the character or motivations of Mohg or Radahn. It’s a thematic mess and feels surprisingly amateur in execution.
I think Godhood requires the you forgo your past self. Which is the journey we follow Miquella on. Slowly removing body parts/emotion. That's the main purpose of the Consort. To act on behalf of the God. The god is a complete spiritual being vs. the consort being the physical. Together they rule. The same thing happens with Marika, which is why we dont fight her at the end, rather her consort Radagon with her spirit being attached to it as one.
I suspect that the vow that Radahn made was while under Miquella's charm, and that Radahn did not feel bound by it once Miquella got so far away that the charm lost its potency.
20:05 I think it’s that waging “endless war” isn’t supposed to be literal. Radahn lives for the fight. There will be challengers to Miquella’s Order and Radahn would have acted as his General, fighting everything and everyone getting in their way.
Next videos will likely be looking at Marika, Messmer, and Jar lore, so stay tuned!
I figured he had to divest himself of Trina because he saw how the Merika/Radagon duality messed things up. So by becoming a singular person being, he would not be schlepping the counter to his plans along with him.
I think Miquella generally removed all his aspects because he didn't want to get his emotions in the way. From what I've seen so far it seems Marika was motivated by hatred for the hornsent, for what the hornsent did to her people.
I think the Shaman's village kinda clears that up
@@TheScrootch 😢
Ending scene was kinda disappointing
We need another dlc
I just killed the divine beast and the story is very meh, if you can call it a story.
I unfortunately feel similarly 😞
Y'all laughable but innerstandable
And also where the hell is the cutscene of miquella lifting the veil?!? Feels like something is missing and noone is talking about it
@@Verbmo It apparently did not ship in the game at all. Like its nowhere in the game files, according to other creators who actually look through the files for cut content.
I’m a fervent believer that Radahn didn’t agree with the Vow due to him not having Leonard at his side.
You don’t just commit your life to a sect of magic to ride your beloved horse and even keep that sense in your state of rotting madness only to abandon him.
I've said the same thing, nothing about the fight screams Radahn in my eyes. Just a butchering of him.
Leonard is dead… you killed him remember?
You dont fight radahn. You fight mohgs corpse recreated to mimic radahn. This is why he uses blood magic when u fight him.
@@DrooledOnSsssh, it's easier for them to blame the writing. We're on the internet, remember?
So you think Radahn, the promised consort, didn't make a promise at all. So then, why is he named the promised consort? That's not how promises work. If a promise was never made, then nothing was ever promised. It's just cope.
I know that Miyazaki said that they have no plans for more Elden Ring content/DLC BUT how sick would it be if we got to go into the Divine Gate. Both Marika and Miquella have been in there.
Damn. I wish we could see it.
We could fight proper eldritch monsters of another dimension
elden ring CHALLENGER OF THE GODS dlc
@@MadLuigi Eldritch feet you mean!
I was thinking is it the place where the meteor landed from tgw, a place which still has connection to it now that the fingers are senile or dead. At first I thought maybe all the bodies there died from the impact because they now seem petrified and some are in positions that suggest they died in that pose in a flash and got preserved that way. If the bodies are from a slaughter Marika comitted, maybe there's some radiation from the impact site that preserved them, or that Marika triggered when she solidified her godhood..it literally solidified the bodies and others standing there too.
Its kinda ironic that Miq is trying to shed his heritage while doing the exact same thing as his mom. He doesn't commit massacres himself tho, he gets others to do it for him. Actually now I think about it, Marika does the same, that "charm"..it maybe a part of the deal. Marika was "seduced" by tgw, becomes its vessel, so has its components including this charm within her, until the shattering or until Miq inherits it. I'm unclear whether the demigods all took their great rune only after shattering or (some) were born with it, since its mentioned Malenia's was "supposed to be the greatest", it sounds like she was born with it then?
Ranni sets the world free from the influence of tgw, so she wouldn't go to that gate if its indeed the impact site or its tied to tgw in another way.
The gate itself doesn't give a benevolent vibe obviously and I don't think "becoming a god" there is the natural order, its tgw's order, that's why it doesn't fit the world and everything in it and starts to/is open to rot. Its an order from some space entity with delusions of grandeur who doesn't even care about this world but likes to take credit for creating it. Ofc Marika fiddled with the runes on top of that. Ironically, her godhood started with death and suffering, her own included, she ascended thanks to and amid a bloody massacre literally surrounded by death, yet death is the part she wanted to remove from the world and deny..ofc that was never gonna work. That's why she hid the shadow lands, to hide how she ascended from death.
@@illyria7756 One thing I found weird is that TGW hasn't been communicating with the fingers at all, as stated by the Metyr's remembrance and weapon. Metyr the mother of fingers has been trying to communicate with TGW but never got a response. A plausible theory from Gingy is that the two fingers "communicating" with TGW in the main game is actually them communicating with Metyr, and Metyr basically "winging it" or standing in while waiting for TGW to respond to her, but it never did.
Radahn was definitely manipulated into promising Miquella to be his consort. there would be no other reason why Malenia want sent to deliver Radahn to Miquella (in this case making it so Radahn is so weak he is able to have his flickering soul taken from his decaying body and placed into the body of mogh which through battle strengenths his soul so that he can fufill his promise to miquella that he made unwillingly)
I think Miquella wants complete control of the universe/multiverse. I also do think miquella genuinely wants peace in the universe. Miquella power is that he is able to enchant anything.
Miquella enchanted all he came across with. He has plans to eliminate all outer gods using whatever means necessary, even sacrificing Mohg and using Radahn. Maybe after eliminating all outer gods, he will be able to cure Godwyn and resurrect everyone.
In the end, Miquella will enchant everything in the universe. The whole universe will bend to his will. Only then in his mind will peace and compassion exist.
Just killed the final boss and was so confused, I thought I missed like an epic cut scene or something. I was definitely expecting something more honestly.
LITERALLY 😭
Finally got around to this video, and you are the first person I've seen give so much attention to the minutia of the secret rite, even among other videos that focus on the ending specifically. Massive respect for not just glossing over that here 🤝
Just got round to seeing this, and thanks! It definitely seems like a huge lore aspect to it all, but so little information is given 😭
I really wish we can get an additional ending to the base game if we got our heart stolen by miquella. That would really makes the dlc more impactful rather than a separate entity.
I just felt so empty after beating him, I was expecting something exciting to happen and then my face went from 😀 to 😐 real quick, probably one of the most empty endings to any dlc I’ve ever played before lol, still great overall!
Oh my gosh, sorry to spam your comments, but the Celebrants dancing outside the windmills have ornamentation in the same shape as Marika’s rune/Divine Gateway and is covered in flowers. In the DLC, you can pick up festive grease that “imparts a festive incantation that grants the wielder a scant few runes on landing attacks. The delightful festival is an old tradition; one old enough for the Erdtree to tacitly tolerate its endurance.” It’s like the irl Maypole festive in that it’s a pagan practice, but tolerated.m the holy order. The grease has the same flowers as what’s found in the Hinterlands and Dominula. It feels like this practice could lead to the birth of “gold” seen from the frenzy flame as hornsent saints are flayed and piled high.
Oh thats a really interesting connection! Ill go check it out in game
So....gold mask was right all along
@@MadLuigi Unrelated but I think Ranni already ascended by discarding her flesh through the night of black knives, but she held onto her compassion and "soul" you might say. Godwyn was the one whom lost his soul and compassion and all that. Perhaps if empyreans have other selves like Radagon/Marika, St. Trina/Miquela, Ranni kept her other self (shown by that glowing side face she has?)
Why tf would anyone think godwyn would be the final boss, didnt the lore explicitly state that miquella was entirely unsuccessful in granting godwyn true death? Also if miquella revived godwyn, it would clash with miquellas symbolism. Hes forever youthful and quits contantly like an indecisive little kid. Gave up curing malenia, gave up the haligtree and all his followers, gave up mercifully ending godwyn, gave up literally everything. The one thing that he couldnt give up on wanted nothing to do with him, that radahn would rather die then become miquellas consort, which is probably the agreement that miquella made with radahn, not realising miquella was 100% serious.
"Dear brother become my consort"
"Over my dead body."
"Bet. Say less."
Not saying his research into godwyn was what gave him the idea, but i am saying it probably helped. Dudes main pre dlc goal was researching death and rebirth. In fact malenia being rot and miquella being a flower before bloom represent the first halfs on a two part cycle.
Think of it like this. Miquella is the egg, and malenia is the cocoon. Not a perfect analogy but follow with me. The egg becomes the catterpillar, and then begins to change into its second state a butterfly in a more esoteric mythical way. In the intem descriptions (i dont know which ones just that they are crafting items.) That first its starts of as a seed, then sprouts into a flower. Then it dies, ROTS, and becomes a tree. Because marika removed the rune of death, the two couldnt reach their second states because the tree and the flower while beautiful, qre the first signs that one day the plant will die, because it has finished growing.
Miquella just wanted to treat the symptoms when he is infact example 1 of why everything in elden ring is wrong.
I still don't get Why Ranni offed godwyn when Miquella is the person standing in her path
@@vishwajeetpanwar3271 from my understanding it was out of convenience
She needed somebody to lose a soul so she can lose flesh and he was there during the night
Maybe the real target was somebody else?
She wasnt happy about it
But it was the "sacrifice" she was willing to make *wink wink*
He was shedding all the wrong stuff, should've shed tgw like Ranni. But nooo, the kid needed to be a "god" lol. Maybe he couldn't part with being woshipped.
He quit because everything is a mess beyond his power, caused by people around him, not because he is indecisive. Absolutely nobody else could have done anything more than him. Malenia is plagued by a god, the haligtree needs a god blood, Godwyn is killed by Ranni. There is no proof at all Radahn would rather die than become his consort.
Gay
Bit off-topic but I found a lot of DLC's explaining the 'Game of Thrones' style family history and intrigue really lacking but it was brilliant explaining a little more on the wider lore especially with the Greater Will, Fingers, Marika and the system that likely helped propel her forward. Also I feel the Crucible being multiple currents representing different things in nature rather than one single object more satisfying, like the cut description of of the Miranda flowers item talking about the Flower Crucible...it made no sense in the Base game but fits this multiple Crucible idea in the DLC.
I think that when we get in Radahn's second phase his soul is beeing controlled by Mogh's cursed blood (that would be the fire we see, the bloodfire instead of Radahn's rune's fire) and when Miquella appears and embraces him, it reminded me of Sherosh, Godfrey's lion. Sherosh is in Godfrey's back to help him control his warrior instinct and I feel like Miquella is doing exactly the same, but using his unique power, therefore the golden aura.
I fell sorry for Radahn, he wanted an honorauble death and now his soul is trapped in a cursed body and mindcontrolled by his have brother.
Ngl I don’t understand why Miquella was such a villain? Like the whole world kinda sucks and it’s not like the tarnished would’ve ushered in anything better than what Miquella wanted. I sorta wish we got a new ending for the base game to explain it better.
I think the main reason Miquella is not a very good person is shown by the fact that we get no option to side with him. It’s either get charmed into blind following, or die fighting him. He doesn’t give you the option of following or allowing his age of compassion through choice. I think Miquella became too obsessed with his goal and it became twisted and thin, sacrificing every part of himself in order for it to not hurt him to do bad things in the name of his age of compassion. It is ironic that in the end he turns out just another pawn in the Greater Will’s plans, resembling Marika herself, after being so against both. He got carried away and lost himself, especially shown by his hiding away of St. Trina
I doubt that is the case. We can side with the Frenzied Flame, Freaking Poop Eater and even hust take Radagons place in the age of fracture which changes nothing about the world.
Even if you think Miquella is bad, we have sided with FAR WORSE so i dont why they dont give us the option to side with him.
@madluigi
Theory: Marika learned how to be a saint via the Hornsent’s jar ritual, then turned it against them: she slaughtered the entire race and built the gate of divinity as a mega-jar that allowed her to transcend sainthood and become a God. She just needed a bigger jar with more bodies.
mikella the "i never end my projects" god.
That is my god. Whether I want him to be or not... Oh goodness he charmed into following him!
So an ''AGE'' means 1000 years
That our part of the vow and not “the vow we made to each other” has me wondering
But could it be that Radanh never wanted to be Miquellas consort? That could be the reason why Milenia fought him trying to kill him, then maybe kill Mogh so he could be revived in Moghs body. But because Radanh didnt die and Milenia was not able to continue, the plan was stopped until the tarnished completed the plan.
I was right now years old when I realized the Divine Gateway is in the same shape as Merika's rune.
Yo what the heck this is actually true 😭
I think war would be inevitable because of the constant power struggles perpetrated from the demigods and outer gods. That’s why his divinity would be a prison. The realities of divine power would circumvent any noble intentions, just like Marika’s intentions to remove death were unsustainable. It’s sort of like when a company goes public. The company had a purpose when it was private and it made a service or product to fulfill that purpose. Once it’s publicly traded, its sole purpose is to make money. Godhood is the same in Elden Ring. The purpose of divinity becomes holding onto power. Marika’s Soreseal depicts this as a burden or curse. This is why St. Trina plead for us to kill Miquella, and it’s why Marika yeeted the Elden Ring.
What happened with miquella trying to cure melenia? What happened to miquella caring for Godwin? Miyazaki forgot all about that
This was such a disappointment. Nothing was answered, there's nothing in the base game that changes after you defeat the boss, and there's no real reward except a 5 second cutscene.
@00:18 is it ever explained what that large archway of dead bodies is, why its there and what the woman was doing with the golden thread she pulls from a corpse in the trailer?
I suspect there’s a secret ending where we can let miquella and his consort proceed.
In phase 2, after they become a god, if we get grabbed , hear his promise but then use his own discarded great rune to remove the death effect, then getting grabbed again, we can hear miquella out without dying and achieve his ending.
I’m curious to see what he says on a third grab …
I don’t play this game enough to test this theory (if anyone wants to go ahead) but what if during the final boss fight of the dlc, when you get your heart stolen and die, you then go and finish the base game without finishing the dlc and killing Miquella. Maybe it would give an alternate ending to the game?
The ranni didn’t need to go to the divine gateway because she isn’t becoming a divinity she is just “subjugating the wold” to the power of the star that is most likely some sort of destiny as we intend it in our world
I thought it was the power of the formless mother that Mogh harnessed in his body activating the bodys at the gate, which opened it. This makes more sense. Wonder if this is how Marika and radagon re assembled themselves.
I really wish we had a fight with miquella when he's shed his eternal youth. All the descriptions talk about how incredibly powerful he was and how terrifying it'd be if he were to ever lose his youth but he's basically thrown it all away by the time we see him in the dlc. With malenia we saw everything including her blooming into a goddess of rot, meanwhile for all the stories of Miquella's immense strength he's basically just radahn's scarf
His power comes from his ability to take control over you. He is not physically strong, Radhan is the strongest demigod. You are mistaking power with physical/battle capability.
@@randomnobody9229Ansbach says Miquella beat him in combat, he clearly is able to fight and cast incantations.
@@DrooledOnhe said his heart was stolen. That was the loss he had, not that they physically fought
I love how Miquella is on Rahdahn shoulders jus like Twins Princes ❤
It’s fucking annoying in the fight though, can’t see shit with his hair in the way sometimes
How your not-brother would say "Here we gooo!"
Miquella had to keep holding Radahn to control him the whole time in phase two
I think Miquella had good intentions but to become a god needed to leave those emotions behind oops
I got clapped by Consort Radahn 100x just for that small memory scene. 😐
I only just finished this fight today. Although the ending didnt bring full closure, im not ashamed to say I got teary just at the epic scale of this boss and Miquellas charm. Not quite Geralt-and-Ciri reunification, but a tear or two
Imagine Miquella charmed the entire Round Table
hello there,there is a scene in the last part of gameplay trailer in which miquella is raising his hand infront of the big tree in shadow realm
it seems like that no one has unlocked it yet and can you check this plz
i think one of its steps is to get your heart stolen by miquella and i dont know after that beat the elden beast?
plz check it out man
Day by day more people are talking about it. We’ll have our answer soon hopefully. Did FromSoft cut that scene out or are we missing something.
Waiting for a dataminer to come out with something.
The entire game has been datamined, it’s not there.
@@DrooledOn closure 🙏🏽
Imagine a frenzied flame ending where you fight Melina, who reveals herself to be the Gloam-Eyed Queen as the final boss, giving you what is truly yours: Destined Death.
I hope a new ending is added to the game in a future update.
It would be interesting, but after what FS has said in interviews, I think very unlikely
@@MadLuigi I'ma go cry now.
That cutscene should've been the intro of the DLC. Fromsoft just gets a pass for everything no matter what.
The circlet of light.. Is that the beast of whatever Outer God Miquella chose? Much like the Elden Beast became the Ring after it was tamed by its empyrean, the circlet also seems to be something akin to the Ring. And surely the Elden Ring was the foundation on which the Age of Gold was built upon.
Interesting, so like Marika had radagon, so did miqulla had saint trina, also i think his sin is his age of compassion, because it will not be optional his power is to forcefully compel affection so im under the assumption that he would with the powe of a god force a docile obedient compassion on the Masses weather they want it for not, the world would be kind and nice when striped of all freedom.
Is it even clear that Radahn accepted the vow in the first place? We only hear Miquella's side of it. To me, it doesn't seem like Radahn was a willing participant in any of it. If he had wanted to be Miquella's consort, why would he so tenaciously resist death for ages?
Also, I've seen a lot of people lately comparing Ranni and Miquella, and claiming Ranni also became a god. I'm not sure where that idea comes from. I don't think she's ever referred to as a god, or implied to be one.
I just thought of something : what if What Marika is holding in the trailer is Radagon's soul, ans she used herself as a vessel. She would then host two souls battling for control. She would have killed him because of a disagreement in what to do with godhood or who deserved it, so it would make sense, kind of...
You couldnt die from st trina eternal sleep because st trina hope you save miquea
You got to wonder do they deliberately leave things unanswered to piss people off, or is it just there to add detail to an area, like the divine gate we never got an answer to why there's frozen corpses seeming running away from something in the Advent Plaza in Bloodborne, like i said if you think about it if there not there, the area would look oddly empty of detail.
It's to leave a sense of mystery to the setting. Not every little thing has to be explained.
A popular example of this kind of storytelling is the Wizards in Lord of the Rings. Tolkein wrote about the White wizard, the Grey wizard, and the Brown wizard. However, the two Blue wizards are only mentioned and never show up. When questioned about this, Tolkein explained that it makes the world seem much larger if there are stories and implications happening outside the one we're focusing on. That not every character needs to be explained.
I can understand leaving things open ended and I’ve only ever played Elden Ring for a fromsoft game but if this is how they handle every game it’s going to get real annoying like people thought this dlc would explain things left open in the base game but all it did was bring even more questions with very few answers.
I don’t need every little thing explained but when it’s so open ended it requires UA-camrs and redditors to mind you only give out theories and not the actual story theirs an issue.
@@pancakes8670Yeah but it gets old real fast when all your games revolve around that concept.
It’s not relevant to the story. The entire promotion was to follow Miquella’s foot steps and see what he’s up to.
Well it's certainly pissing me off
i really wonder if we will ever get some sort of dlc of sorts where it focuses on Marika and she would be alive and would basicly be like "sever this cicle what i did was a mistake" would be interesting imo
i think Ranni's ending is revenge for what marika and fingers did to her mother....
Rennala is the majesty of the night.....and i think the rennala we fight is just a puppet with real body inside the cocoon in her hands or its a new body for ranni inside the small cocoon in her hands.
An immortal body that rebirths every time it dies equal to a god without the grace of the fingers.
Might sound weird, but maybe it's a space battle? I thought it was weird that he didn't pick Godwyn, but maybe it's because Radahn has all that gravity, space altering magic and he's thinking about going to the source lol
Ive said this before and i will continue to hold this opinion unless they do more with the game but the DLC had a lack of choices, all the quest lines kinda just drop off and force you into one specific ending which is very lame. Also no femboy husband ending why live
The choices were pretty lacking; no option to just say hey Miquella do ur thing. One of the original endings is Frenzy, so even if Miq is evil, that in itself isn't a reason to prevent us siding w him.
@@MadLuigi The thing is with elden ring, there is no exact "good or evil" But yeah the thing that really annoys me is the lack of any new dialogue within the base game in relevance to the massive lore bombs.
the biggest of these is no new dialogue for Melina, or may I remind you can definitely still be with you when you go to the land of shadow. The fact that we kill a Lord of the Frenzy flame and she has NOTHING to say about that like what!?
So true for all DLCs they've made.
Of course there isn't a age of compassion ending. That ending is you being charmed my miquella in the last fight. This is a god associated with sleep (formerly) and compelling affections against others will. Radahn had to be killed to be Miquellas consort, he did not consent to this. Miquellas age of compassion is lobotomizing everyone so they can play nice. No free will. You love him, the hornset love him, the albunorics love him and we all get along because we love him.
The reason there are mirrors to Ranni is because while both are rejections of the erdtree order, one is giving it's people free will outside the influence of the greater will, the other is simply enacting more control albiet not the greater wills'.
Theres not a choice of a new ending because Miquellas goal isn't even an option. DO you want to be a mind controlled zombie? Likely not, the only recourse is conflict with him and defending the ending we chose in the base game. Miquella is here to challenge us, if not as an agent of the erdtree/Marika and our chosen rune, then as the liberator of the lands between or even a doom cultist intent on burning everything away with the frenzied flame. All of these things Miquella opposes in one way or another.
Hmm, i assume marika went through the gate to obtain godhood because before the erdtree that was maybe where the gloam eyed queen resided. Marika seduced and betrayed her somehow using information she learned from the fingers, and began her age of gold/erdtree.
In the lands between to obtain the power of the divine one must enter the erdtree because that is where the god dwelt, power of the previous order. Miquella was basically trying to restart all of this by doing what his mother did but in his own way
Ahh, i see! So Radagon was the Lord who ushered Merika. Radan and Miquella would, if successful, share a body like Radagon and Merika. Thats what i think.
Rahdan really looks like godfrey with miquella on his back like the lion - hair looks like a mane.
Are there changes if you beat the DLC before completing the base game ? Like let’s say you beat Mogh and Radahn and you stop the progress of the main story at say the Fire giant. Does that change the ending of the base game or impact the DLC at all ? I’m making a new character to find out but it might be a while before I get there and the not knowing is driving me mad haha
If I’m not mistaken, that’s the cannon order of the game, you play until you beat radahn and mohg then you beat dlc then go back to base and finish, it’s why no one recognizes you as Elden lord when you go to the LOS
I was disappointed by this ending too but I can’t think how I’d change it to make it better. Like it could easily be worse, but idk how it could be better.
We need an ending where radahn breaks free from the mind control agter we beat him and he kills miquella
I bet there is a secret ending that has not been found yet....
who is messmer’s father
I disagree, I wholly believe that Radahn would not have, willingly, agreed to the Vow. First of all, In Miquellas age of Compassion, Radahn would not get his endless war as Freyja says. I believe the enchantment put on Freyja may have been stronger due to the fact that Miquella kissed her wound i mean she even says "it is her compass" at one point (Source from another lore video i think i might have missed this when i played). Also it could be that even if not under the influence of enchantment Freyja could be loyal to Miquella due to him saving her life and she is deluding herself into believing that being Miquella's consort would be best for Radahn ie (such a nice guy would never deprive Radahn of the thing he loves the most) and she simply may not know what Miquella intends to do once he achieves godhood.
Furthermore with mind control powers Miquella would never need to fight anyone as he could just enchant everyone he meets (I believe that everyone would wear the golden circlet or something) and Miquella would control everyone. Maybe there would be an initial big war but the war would definitely not be endless. Certainly, Miquella would want to avoid the wars that characterized his mothers age as the world would not be a gentler place.
ALSO LETS NOT FORGET. Miquella could just enchant Radahn into accepting the Vow and promising to be his consort; because he is a nice guy and knows what Radahn wants, an honourable death in battle, he can delude himself into believing that Radahn is following him willingly. Perhaps this is the Sin that St Trina talks about. Maybe even Miquella has his own doubts about this (maybe he can mind control people subconsciously). These may be the doubts he discards after discarding his Love because he no longer cares if Radahn is willingly following him or not. That's also probably why there had to be a whole clash of armies. I think maybe Radahn was aware of the promise he was forced to make and was fighting against it.
Anyway GREAT VIDEO :). I think It'll be great if someone gets hugged twice and finishes the game after to see if its possible to get a Miquella ending but i doubt it. It does seem to go against everything Miyazaki stands for, getting satisfaction from a hard won victory (Radahn). Rather than just Mind controlling everyone and getting an easy Victory (Miquella). CHEESING A PERFECT SOCIETY! :D
I love games that make me think :) best game of all time!
Could the vow be referring to marikas requirement of her children to attain godhood in some form.
Radahn is said to have refused the first offer from the twins but agreed on revised vow. And strange thing here is that, Melania had to go to Callid and kill off Radahn to start the process. Was there no other way to do that? And even if there was no other way than his death, why he kept fighting scarlet rot and also kept stopping the stars? He was a Carian royal family member and like others his fate was based on stars too, even if he rebelled his fate, he tried to stop his fate by stopping the stars.
Altogether, condition to become the God is to be selected by Two Fingers and have a powerful consort who would act as the vessel of the lord. Godfrey was such lord, and then Marika created her other half Radagon to create another flawed one. It is also funny, twin demi gods both have health complications due to this selfcest. Gods could be chosen by Two FIngers only who themselves could not even hear Greater Will so it was a mess, maybe thats why in Ranni's ending she never became a God because she knew that it was all meaningless.
Would be great if they animated at least a 15/20 mins lore video just to end few things 😇
In terms of resolution etc, it reminds me of the Bloodborne DLC tbh
Agreed
Arguably Bloodborne's DLC gave us a more conclusive ending. By resolving the underlying curse of Kos it's unlikely that Yharnam endless nights of hunting will continue after we take care of the Moon Presence. At first we treated the symptom by hunting a great one, now we've dealt with the underlying disease. While Elden Ring SOTE changes nothing. Hell Miquella's plan relies on us killing Radahn and Mohg, and inviting us to the one realm where we can stop him. So either he was dealing with a mending rune Elden lord, who has no need to fight Mohg, stopping the plan cold. Or he has to fight the Duskborn, Age of Stars, or Frenzied Flame Lord which can crush him. I assume he was going to make a run at the Elden Ring which means he would have to get through us, Radagon, and the Elden Beast. The latter two being resistant to holy. Much like all of Miquella's plans this too was going to inevitably fail.
He didn't invite us there. It is a literal plot point that Grace takes us there. Your inability to understand says nothing of the quality of the story. But it is true that it changes little to nothing. It's just that you're simply not capable of understanding why because you base your expectations off of fan fiction. @@ISayEssays
@@DrnMontemayor We just going to ignore that his brainwashed knight told us to touch his hand are we?
@@ISayEssays tbf dark souls didnt fix anything either. After beating the ringed city the cycle of fire and dark still continues until the world is nothing but ash and dust. the world is beyond saving, the only solution is the painting. a new world untouched by the cycle of dark and fire, while also being immune to a cycle of its own by using the dark soul as pigment so it will never rot and cause another ariandel tragedy.
from release, just beat it but damn ending was not worth the the endless deaths i went through 😢
Kind of a letdown indeed. That pretty much sums up the entire DLC for me, unfortunately. It's still really good and great fun, mostly, but I feel it's pretty lacking. I wanted to love it and had such high hopes, how could you not after the base game. Oh well still cool just wanted some actual resolution for the giant gaping mysteries lol. Onto the next game!
Even after dlc the story feels unfinished. Consort Radahn was by far the most difficult boss ever but disappointed the final boss for Elden ring’s only dlc was a reskin.
God I just beat the DLC it was a pain but I'm one of the ones that did beat it now
The story will always leave people feeling flat in so far as the story maintains the level of nihilism that it's had from the start. All the characters are tragic representations of good intentioned people struggling to bring something good into a world where no good is lasting or universal. It's a reflection of the hopelessness and division of our present day and age...an age of fracture indeed. Maybe that's why the story finds resonance within us without solving anything or providing any hope.
I didn’t realize it even ended. I was looking around waiting for the climax. Nothing. Wow, how could they make the ending so lame? When you don’t even realize the game ended because the final cutscene was just a girl speaking in a dark room.
Something I noticed just an hour ago playing with Radahns armour on is that the armour (both the OLD and the new) has Miquellas sigil/emblem on the upper part of the cape! The same sigil that appears when casting Miquellas spells! It's literally on Radahns back even in the base game! You can also find St.Trinas sword in Caelid, as well as a large amount of Miquella Lillies overlooking Radahns arena (it's got the most dense amount of Miquella Lilies in the game).
Oh like the old armor has it as well? I need to go look at that!
@@MadLuigi yes!
That is an extremely interesting connection nice spot!
youtube mary and jesus in the quran and mohmmad in the bible and the Torah and the scientific miracles of the quran and mohmmad in hindu scripture
…
according the bible that you have
(Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted
(James 1:13) God doesn't get tempted
(John 1:29) Jesus was seen
(1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God
(Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God
(Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man
(Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn
(Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus dies
(1 Timothy 1:17) God doesn't die
(Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation
(Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation
(John 4:6) Jesus grew weary
(Isaiah 40:28) God Doesn't grow weary
(Mark 4:38) Jesus slept
(Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep
(John 5:19) Jesus isn't all powerful
(Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful
(Mark 13:32) Jesus isn't all knowing
(Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing
...................
Lmao... no it doesn't theres a whole field of them in a different area... no where near Caelid
People STOP creating context where it doesnt exist.... also thats not Miquella's symbol...
Its similar but i think its actually his own. They have distinct differences.. Rahdan has two lions beneath his tree(possibly representing Radagan and Godfrey) also look at the top.
Miquellas top is a rounded young sapling. Radhan's tree top is spread open into 3 branches on either side aswell there is some kind of crowning symbol above those 6 branches in the center possibly the gravity symbol like on his swords. He needed to sacrifice his twin just to kill Radahn or weaken him enough for capture.
Its much more likely Radahn was allied with Ranni and Rykard. There lots of evidence proving this. The only thing that would change this is if Ranni really is a puppet of Miquella like her ingame area implies with dozens of confirmed context clues...
Unfortunately we wont really know because from got lazy and decided to fuck all of us over to go work on somthing new...
Honestly idk if im down for another let down like Elden Ring... how can you have such amazing gameplay and fuck up the one thing people love the most about this series.. the lore...
Honestly all the lore channels should just move on because they just put this story to sleep..and its never getting back up..
I just cant believe it... i dont think the realization has hit most people yet how bad this really was..
Felt kinda bad that the npcs who fights with you ultimately die when they challenged a god alongside us.
True, but they fought with full conviction and preparation I'd say. Both Ansbach and Thriollier got to complete their quests and find some resolution in their final acts
Dude. I kept Moore alive cause I liked him so much and now the only person he has in the world is me 😭😭😭
Well that’s just FromSoft character writing:
1. introduction
2. Motivation
3. Provided quest item
4. Sadness/anger/madness, etc
5. Dead.
Better to die standing against a god than to live kneeling and worshiping a deity you know will be cruel.
We can't all go together
Gotta pay the troll toll to get into that lord’s soul
IF YA WANT THE BABY BOYS SOUL, YA GOTTA PAY THE TROLL TOLL! YA GOTTA PAY THE TROLL TOLL TO GET IN!
HERE'S YOUR TOLL, TROLL...
-Mohg
FOR THE LAST TIME, IT IS SOUL NOT HOLE!!!
“Guys cmon my age of compassion would be great ignore that I threw away my own love and compassion cmon guys look at how pretty I am.”
I mean, the way he draped himself around Radahn was creepy asf..his facial expression. While talking to us never even glanced at us. Rude little fk lol.
He abandoned his love not his compassion.
@@DrooledOn what emotion is compassion based on?
I saw somebody comment on another video that the age of compassion would involve Miquella charming the entire world to make everybody love him, as evidenced by the charm status you receive being signified by Miquella's circlet, which is the foundation his age would be built on, so on the surface everything would be great, but in reality it would be a dystopia where everybody would essentially have their free will removed.
I think Miquella realized how screwed up this age of compassion would actually be, because the first cross where he abandoned St. Trina reads "Here I abandon my fear and vacillation" implying he had to remove St. Trina in order to convince himself that this is the right thing to do
@@illyria7756 based on the dictionary it’s not based on any emotion. Compassion definition “Deep awareness of the suffering of another accompanied by the wish to relieve it.” Has nothing to do with love…
YO, I think the arm that Miquella is missing is the same one that's hanging out of the cocoon. There's also a cross-grace left behind by him that says he leaves behind his arm, and despite that being the singular word for arms I never found another cross-grace where he left the other. Maybe that proves that the corpse inside the cocoon in mohgwyn palace IS really Miquella.
He left his left arm in Belurat and the right arm in Shadow Keep (sinistral in Belurat; Dextra in Shadow Keep)
No DLC ever brought closure except for Ringed City
and that's why ringed city as an ending to an entire franchise was the best dlc....this one lore wise just seems off especially considering the fact that it's the final update to the universe
TRC ending isn't even the ending. It is still SoC's fight.
I disagree. If you dig deep in the lore of BB, the Old Hunters actually did a lot to feel in the gaps and bring a lot of closure to multiple characters in the story.
DLC has been out for only a week. it took months for anything in the base game to start being established. itll likely take just as long if not longer now that we have both the dlc and the base game being recontextualized. there will ALWAYS be things in fromsoft games that go unanswered due to lost history (Velka in dark souls is one such example) however this DLC over time should prove to have answered many of our questions and ask a few new ones.
Can you all chill. Vaati hasn't even put out a video and you are pretending to understand the lore.
I feel like the Ending was unsatisfying, I at least wanted to get to talk to Miquella or something before be just dies, and the lack of a real "Ending Cinematic" was a bummer as well 😭😭😭 still a phenomenal DLC but the ending left me wanting more in terms of lore
Yeah 😭 I feel kinda disappointed
I’m disappointed too
I think the vow Miquella and Radahn made was that if Radahn was ever killed, he would go along with Miquella's plan, but because Radahn was such a golden order fanboy, he didn't make it easy.
i think it was like 1. radahn has refused the vow miquella proposed ( but i have no idea what radahn wanted because a vow requires sacrifice by both parts and we know miquella wanted radahn) or 2. radahn accepted but he wanted to fight malenia, so miquella sent her in a 1 vs 1 until death battle, so it would had been good both ways ( but it doesnt make sense why use scarlet aeonia )
@@pontiffsulyvahn890but we kill Melania technically
@@pontiffsulyvahn890Idk much about Elden Ring lore, but could it be possible that Miquella manipulated Malenia (with whatever reason) to go fight Radahn so he could have his way either way? Getting Radahn killed by any means necessary, even if it means using Scarlet Rot, a.k.a nuking Caelid?
Theory. Radan's great rune burns to ward off the rot, it burns gold to try and ward off Maquilas influence. The rune is of endurance/ perseverance (raising HP, Stamina, FP).
The thing I am confuse it's that in the trailer it shows Miquella healing the tree,but that never happen
I really want them to patch this in as/with an ending for Miquella, so that at least we wouldn’t have this discourse over what the DLC’s “intended message” is anymore.
9:59 he in fact, cures any current scarlet rot status in the 2nd phase. I used to think it was just miquella using some cure spell, but this makes a lot more sense.
I learnt this the hard way, had to re-apply the rot for phase 2 was touch and go but got there :) actually used Maliena’s incantation not sure how I feel about that now.
His age of “compassion” is not about looking out for the downtrodden as you mention, it’s about compelling all to have compassion and love for HIM. Ansbach literally tells us that in game and in the trailer. Miquella has the power to compel the love of others while he himself has divested himself of love TO others as stated by his crosses scattered through the land. So everyone will love him whether they would want to or not.
i think i know what’s going on. there are 2 ways of becoming a god, but both are technically by pairing the empyrean with another: a god sponsor, and/or a king consort.
for ranni, she paired herself with the dark moon (i think the dark moon is called celes, because the manus metyr is a house of worship for metyr, so the manus celes is a house of worship for celes), and us, her king consort. malenia has no king consort, but she’s paired with the rot, and when we slay her it’s “god slain” instead of “legend felled”. elden beast is a god because it is paired with the greater will, or something.
so who did marika pair with when she became a god? she was spurred by the two fingers (probably because how close her home is to the finger ruins), so probably the greater will, but unlike malenia who just let her god take over, marika used the divine gate. the divine gate requires a vessel, a lord’s soul and an empyrean, so who is marika’s lord and vessel? maybe radagon. 2 halves joined in the same vessel.
this is why miquella abandoned his other half. he needed strength to carry out his thousand year kingdom, so he and radahn will be another marika - radagon situation: 2 souls inhabiting the same body. that’s why the remembrance carries both of them, because they have, or are, becoming one being. furthermore, unlike other mounted bosses, like nameless king or prince lothric, radahn and miquella don’t attack one after another, their attacks are simultaneous. radahn’s swordplay is paired with miquella’s light. if we hand’g stopped miquella, miquella’s soul would fully fuse with radahn’s soul inhabiting mohg’s body, and such a force is unstoppable.
i think there should have been an ending where we allow miquella to take the throne and see his vision come to pass, but i also think we didn’t need to. how can a sightless, heartless, loveless god be compassionate?
and if you were wondering what his kingdom might look like, i think i should mention that miquella is extremely similar to his mother. miquella charms people to follow him and do his bidding. marika charmed the hornsent grandma into revealing where and how to use the divine gate, then betrayed her. marika used messmer and then hoarah loux to carry out her purges. miquella would likely use radahn as well as others he manages to charm to subjugate others under his vision as well. marika’s age was supposed to be bountiful, to be full of life and void of death, yet we found this supposed utopia in ruins. can we say that miquella’s kingdom will be any different?
i think there were 2 major themes in this dlc: parenting or family and vengeance. there is messmer who is an exceptional son up until his death, and there is ymir who seeks to be a mother to his reborn child as a coping mechanism for his passing. there is the hornsent and igon whose thirst for vengeance led to their demise. what goes around comes around, and try as he might, there is no way miquella can be better than his parent
Marikas first consort was godfrey
And igon is a legend
We can't say Marika didn't have great age, it was after her son was slain and that rune of death started to mess up the system of the world
Yo i basically have the same theory i posted on reddit, but my theory marika first consort are some hornsent leader or smth, since marika have the backing of 2 fingers and hornsent culture are about godhood/divine, marika use a promise of godhood to seduce the hornsent
10:30 I also saw that someone saying the red flame is Radahn's resist against Miquella's love, only to be shutdown right away as Miquella steps in
Yeah, he has red emanating from him after we get him down to half - then as miquella steps through the gate, radahn begins to emanate gold
I would hope he’s trying to resist the guy who’s trying to kill him AGAIN, not the guy who’s trying to help him.
No, this is radahn ushering in the return of a god like the secret rite entails
Ughhh i just want to embrace miquellas age of compassion. The only thing that frustrates me about the dlc is that it was clearly meant to be in there and they removed it for some reason.
Miyazaki said that the DLC story was not a new story and that it was already written when they did the base game.
Lol thats even more disappointing
So fucking lame
@@Banbro88for real
Find that hard to believe
@@Banbro88its bs cause they kept talking about the gloom eyed queen in the base game but not in the dlc
Ending was so disappointing. I was dying to know what was on the other side of that gate just to find out u can’t go through it after the hell
Of a boss fight nor have a cutscene 😞
Yeah I want another dlc but they unfortunately aren't making anymore ugh
Maybe the will change mind about it, considering dlc they left lot of opening for further dlc so maybe they are not decided @@Jesicaah
I took Freyja’s words as just giving her giving her opinion on what she thinks is best for Radahn not as what he thinks from what I’ve read Radahn is more of a compassionate and kind man then what most people believe
I agree with you, besides I think Freyja is more loyal to Miquella than Radahn anyway and not really the smartest person
This is why I thought Freyja is frankly unreliable. I think it’s merely her impression of Radhan. He still doesn’t strike me as someone who would agree to be revived to begin with, it feels like he’d brand it dishonorable. Like, would Radahn not bring up how that may dishonor all the KIA Redmanes that he surely holds close? He might see it as an insult to their memory.
I feel like there was no two sided vow, Miquella offered it and Radahn declined. This is the same guy who venerates 2 Elden Lords. That is, blending admiration for both his father Radagon and of course Godfrey. He’d see this vow as traitorous.
Also a note on Radahn’s mechanical movements in cutscenes - he seems to move almost robotically in the DLC version, as though he’s being controlled. In the base game, his cutscene movements were lifelike, after all, it’s still his actual body there.
This is why I think Radahn even fights us, he’s entirely being controlled by Miquella to do so.
@@Drew_621 While I do believe Freyja’s words is just her opinion.
I also believe there was a Vow at one point in time between Radahn and Miquella because there is both visual evidence and dialogue that supports the theory that he was a lot closer to is Carian Roots then the GO
- There is a Moon Alter used by Carian’s and there ancestors
-Rykard has a picture of Radahn in his manor
-Iji Ranni’s war consular help make weapons for the Redmanes
Has far as we know the games written reason for why he fought conquered the stars was to defend Selia.
Overall to me Radahn only look up Godfrey and Radagon has strong warriors not because they are apart of the GO
As for Radahn’s connection with Miquella on the surface they have no connection but one piece of lore that is mysterious about Miquella is his connection to the Carians
I originally thought that was from Ranni do to the summoning bell but no that we know Miquella and Radahn has a connection that could be the missing link
Loretta the Carian knight who wants to bring albaneric’s to a safe haven goes to the halitree how was she able to find it sense it’s hidden to the public I mean sure she can be a badass and find it herself or could be go to Radahn the Carian prince who has a albaneric as his best friend and a connection to Miquella for now is she went to him for help.
There is also that mysterious sword that Miquella crafted in the style of a Carian knight sword people are now speculating that it could have been a ceremonial marriage sword that Miquella was gonna give to Radahn
As for the battle of Aoenia I think a lot of people are not taking into consideration is that it was the Shattering and all the Demigods were tainted in some way do to the Great Runes which caused a all out war do to their ambition Radahn was affected just like the rest of them and more then likely want back on his vow to Miquella believing he can grab power his own way
Miquella sent Meliana to either subdue or kill Radahn and that lend to the stalemate and Meliana desperate to win unleashed the rot I don’t believe Miquella intended for the rot to happen else why would he go out of his way to heal Freyja
It’s strange how miquella looks golden and spectral like Serosh
Instead of fleshy and human like Marika
He purposefully abandoned his flesh
How can one switched the "A" and "E" of each respective character's name so bad lmao.
Sarosh, Merika...
@@kevinferdian746 you’re right I didn’t even notice it. Thanks for the correction :)
The “we” miquella was referring to seems like he was talking about his other half, st. Trina. I don’t believe Miquella wanted to separate himself from her and it was likely a last resort considering how far he had to bury her to rid himself of her.
I dont think this is the case because Miquella then says "my consort." If he was speaking of himself and Trina as plural/we, he wouldn't have used singular there
I was a bit disappointed by the lore and ending tbh, I expected something unexpected
it was a awesome dlc but i would have definitely cut off some bosses for some more lore
The DLC just came out. Are you new to souls games? It takes years to uncover all of the lore that they hide away. Chill
@@randomnobody9229cope
Perhaps the eternal war/battle is an illusion. He would place Radhan's conscious mind in an enteral slumber where he dreams only of battle while the rest of his mind & borrowed body serves his god. His agreement is to become a mindless puppet in return for the dream of never ending battle since real life could not provide it for him.
Pretty much all of the Incantations that have to do with light, are connected to Miquella. So I wonder if the Sword of Light and the Sword of Darkness have any connections to him as well. (and the fact that his crown is called Circlet of Light sounds like a direct comparison.)
I am still losing sleep over the DLC teaser trailer. Who did Marika take the golden object from? What was the affair? More unanswered questions than information gained imo.
The lore in SOTE is just disappointing. It offers nothing new or interesting to any of the major mysteries of the base game. It entirely abandons Godwyn, Ranni, and Melina. And tbh it neglects to even flesh out the character or motivations of Mohg or Radahn. It’s a thematic mess and feels surprisingly amateur in execution.
I think Godhood requires the you forgo your past self. Which is the journey we follow Miquella on. Slowly removing body parts/emotion. That's the main purpose of the Consort. To act on behalf of the God. The god is a complete spiritual being vs. the consort being the physical. Together they rule. The same thing happens with Marika, which is why we dont fight her at the end, rather her consort Radagon with her spirit being attached to it as one.
I suspect that the vow that Radahn made was while under Miquella's charm, and that Radahn did not feel bound by it once Miquella got so far away that the charm lost its potency.
20:05 I think it’s that waging “endless war” isn’t supposed to be literal. Radahn lives for the fight. There will be challengers to Miquella’s Order and Radahn would have acted as his General, fighting everything and everyone getting in their way.
Sadly the First Person they encounter is the Current Elden Lord Himself