These are wonderful! I believe that Gene Roddenberry would be extremely pleased that you are using classic Star Trek to mentor new generations. Well done!
Thank you again, for making these. It takes me back to a much better time, while simultaneously creating brand new Star Trek content, that is both educational and entertaining. Bravo!
The next Logical Thinking episode should have two crewmen having the discussion in engineering, and Mr. Spock 'overhearing' from a point furthest from them, like on the bridge. The gag can be Spock, with his superhuman hearing, heard them from so far away it takes him almost the entire conversation to reach them. He has to pass several departments, get on the turbolift,, walk down a long corridor, get in another turbolift before arriving in engineering saying "excuse me gentlemen, I couldn't help overhearing". That would be funny to me.
I don't think even Mr. Spock (or even Quark from DS9) has hearing *that* keen! Not unless the Enterprise has rotten insulation in its floors and walls. Of course, if some careless crewman left his communicator or the equivalent of the ship's intercom on...
@@jasontoddman7265 On the ISS, they have a saying: In space, everyone can hear you fart. I assume that the Enterprise has better noise dampening, but there is no atmosphere in space, so every vibration and every noise stays on the ship. It will have to be captured with some science fiction technology.
@@davidwuhrer6704 I am already sure that it is. I would assume they deal with those vibrations the same way they deal with the low gravity level they should normally have inside a ship like that, or the lack of impetus that prevents them from getting smashed into walls every time they make even a slight turn at high speed; what we would essentially call Clarke tech. Just about everything the Enterprise has that we do not fits under that category, so why not the noise dampening too? After all, do you hear all those vibrations in any typical episode? Of course not. Of course, the actual reason has nothing to do with the in-universe reason but so what?
The Rhetorics (rivals to Plato and Aristotle) often used team reasoning to win the day. Stay true to your team, distrust anything the other team does or thinks....I believe that likely sounds familiar today.
Then the next time we see that crewmen he could be one of the people we see in a cell in the brig the next time Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones have one of their discussions. Maybe sharing a cell with a xenomorph.
On another account I had that I deleted because I got tired of being harassed by popups yelling at me for having "wrongthink" I posted some scenarios I'd like to see that I guess could be considered as scripts for a "gag reel".
Considering the source is appropriate for evaluating the truth of statement, not for evaluating the validity of an argument. Truth and validity are not the same thing.
@@Scipio488 In a series in the same decade to Star Trek TOS a man from Seattle would promote the town by stating its annual rainfall, the implication being it was dry and sunny most of the time. He pitched that statement to an educated woman who retorted Seattle was a mudhole and gave him the numbers of days out of the year Seattle had rainfall. Moral: If the source is unreliable or deceptive the argument is irrelevant. Extra points for knowing the series.
I kept thinking "Andorrians are a space-faring race, right? Then what are you doing here, since being in space must be a bad idea if the Andorrians are doing it?"
Out the airlock to grab a smoke, perhaps? What I want to know is, who is Mr. Spock talking to after they *have* walked off? To himself? An imaginary friend? An invisible alien? Q? Surely not little ol' me!
While I agree that pieces of information given should be judged on their own merits and not based on who provided the information, if the source of the information is a known liar, you would be stupid to give the information equal weight to information provided by a reliable source.
This is not about considering the verity of a piece of information; it's about considering the VALIDITY of an ARGUMENT. Does no one even listen to what Spock says...?! It's enough to drive a Vulcan mad.
@@Scipio488 How does that make Benjauron5873's argument any less valid? If you have no way to directly gauge the validity of an argument yourself (say, because you do not know enough about the subject at hand to make a valid argument yourself), sometimes experience with the source of that so-called information is the only guide you had. If Harry Mudd himself came up to you and offered to sell you a way to build working replicators, transporters, or even a basic warp drive, even knowing he may actually have access to such plans (because he comes from a time when such a thing is everyday tech), would you (*could* you) trust him enough to buy such a thing from him in hopes of saving the world and being the biggest hero of the 21st century? Scotty you'd probably trust without hesitation. But Harry Mudd? Dubious source yes, but what he offers is so fantastic and potentially lucrative - if only it isn't broken down or missing some vital part you know nothing about. For such a potential reward might you not take the risk if it was offered to you, knowing he actually has access to such a thing but isn't the most honest or reliable of salesmen (but might still be making a genuine offer because he doesn't cheat people for the fun of it; just when it's the easier option for him)?
I don't understand why this shuttle has a table, but no chairs to sit in (other than the pilot and co-pilot stations). And why is there an intercom on the table? Who in the shuttle would be far enough away to need an intercom to reach them? And where would the other intercom be?
Maybe the intercom is to contact the Enterprise or other ships when they happen to be within range. Wasn't one used to contact the Enterprise in the Menagerie episode?
I mean - strictly speaking, yes. But If the source is a snake oil salesman with a long history of saying things that sound plausible and every time turns out to be hawking a scam ... you might want to place your bets in line with the fallacy. There's provable and there's most-likely-in-the-real-world. Due diligence is an exercise left for the reader.
Mr. Spock the world needs you more than ever
These are wonderful! I believe that Gene Roddenberry would be extremely pleased that you are using classic Star Trek to mentor new generations. Well done!
Thank you again, for making these. It takes me back to a much better time, while simultaneously creating brand new Star Trek content, that is both educational and entertaining. Bravo!
The next Logical Thinking episode should have two crewmen having the discussion in engineering, and Mr. Spock 'overhearing' from a point furthest from them, like on the bridge. The gag can be Spock, with his superhuman hearing, heard them from so far away it takes him almost the entire conversation to reach them. He has to pass several departments, get on the turbolift,, walk down a long corridor, get in another turbolift before arriving in engineering saying "excuse me gentlemen, I couldn't help overhearing". That would be funny to me.
I don't think even Mr. Spock (or even Quark from DS9) has hearing *that* keen! Not unless the Enterprise has rotten insulation in its floors and walls. Of course, if some careless crewman left his communicator or the equivalent of the ship's intercom on...
@@jasontoddman7265 On the ISS, they have a saying: In space, everyone can hear you fart.
I assume that the Enterprise has better noise dampening, but there is no atmosphere in space, so every vibration and every noise stays on the ship. It will have to be captured with some science fiction technology.
@@davidwuhrer6704 I am already sure that it is. I would assume they deal with those vibrations the same way they deal with the low gravity level they should normally have inside a ship like that, or the lack of impetus that prevents them from getting smashed into walls every time they make even a slight turn at high speed; what we would essentially call Clarke tech. Just about everything the Enterprise has that we do not fits under that category, so why not the noise dampening too? After all, do you hear all those vibrations in any typical episode? Of course not. Of course, the actual reason has nothing to do with the in-universe reason but so what?
Even if I am learning nothing new by watching these video, simply listening to Spock calmly ironing people out is always very welcome ASMR content.
Yes. I wish Mr. Spock was in Congress. Maybe then something constructive could get done there.
As always, such a joy to see. Thank you for this series!
This one in particular happens a lot. I'm very glad you keep making these videos!
The Rhetorics (rivals to Plato and Aristotle) often used team reasoning to win the day. Stay true to your team, distrust anything the other team does or thinks....I believe that likely sounds familiar today.
Give Ai voice cloning a shot. With vocoder mode it could sound super spot on.
Spock lays down the OG logic! 🖖😂 wonderful as always !
I absolutely love theses " logical Thinking" videos . They're relevant, make you think and of course use Classic Star Trek as a delivery vehicle 🖖
While I agree on the logic, reality isn't always rational... To quote a funny heuristic: "Don't believe anything until the Kremlin denies it"
Or whichever political party one happens to disagree with.
The Kremlin denies that this is a valid heuristic😂
@@comentedonakeyboard Which of course just leads right back to the point of this particular video.
Thanks for another one
Well if Spock says it, it must be right.
It is only logical.
2:16 the molecular structure of Benzol was actualy "discovered" in a dream.
Spock knows best
I'd love to see a "blooper" version where, as Spock walks away, the crew person that was corrected murmurs, "Meddlesome f---." 😂
Then the next time we see that crewmen he could be one of the people we see in a cell in the brig the next time Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones have one of their discussions. Maybe sharing a cell with a xenomorph.
On another account I had that I deleted because I got tired of being harassed by popups yelling at me for having "wrongthink" I posted some scenarios I'd like to see that I guess could be considered as scripts for a "gag reel".
This is a cartoon therefor anything in it can't be real... (example of the fallacy highlighted)
AWESOME!!!!
In our lesson on Rumors and Propaganda we were taught to always consider the source. I guess Spock was out that day.
_Considering_ the source is different from dismissing (or accepting) based solely on the source.
Considering the source is appropriate for evaluating the truth of statement, not for evaluating the validity of an argument. Truth and validity are not the same thing.
@@Scipio488 In a series in the same decade to Star Trek TOS a man from Seattle would promote the town by stating its annual rainfall, the implication being it was dry and sunny most of the time. He pitched that statement to an educated woman who retorted Seattle was a mudhole and gave him the numbers of days out of the year Seattle had rainfall. Moral: If the source is unreliable or deceptive the argument is irrelevant. Extra points for knowing the series.
That's hot to be like the 8th shuttle mission they've been on. Seems that would have stopped having conversations in front of him.
I absolutely L O V E this concept, but I feel like the script could be more polished.
I kept thinking "Andorrians are a space-faring race, right? Then what are you doing here, since being in space must be a bad idea if the Andorrians are doing it?"
I hesitate to ask, but...where did they walk off to?
Out the airlock to grab a smoke, perhaps? What I want to know is, who is Mr. Spock talking to after they *have* walked off? To himself? An imaginary friend? An invisible alien? Q? Surely not little ol' me!
Craft Services.
Lovely.
Thank you, Mr. Spock, for another lesson in logical thinking.
While I agree that pieces of information given should be judged on their own merits and not based on who provided the information, if the source of the information is a known liar, you would be stupid to give the information equal weight to information provided by a reliable source.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd!
This is not about considering the verity of a piece of information; it's about considering the VALIDITY of an ARGUMENT. Does no one even listen to what Spock says...?! It's enough to drive a Vulcan mad.
@@Scipio488 How does that make Benjauron5873's argument any less valid? If you have no way to directly gauge the validity of an argument yourself (say, because you do not know enough about the subject at hand to make a valid argument yourself), sometimes experience with the source of that so-called information is the only guide you had. If Harry Mudd himself came up to you and offered to sell you a way to build working replicators, transporters, or even a basic warp drive, even knowing he may actually have access to such plans (because he comes from a time when such a thing is everyday tech), would you (*could* you) trust him enough to buy such a thing from him in hopes of saving the world and being the biggest hero of the 21st century? Scotty you'd probably trust without hesitation. But Harry Mudd? Dubious source yes, but what he offers is so fantastic and potentially lucrative - if only it isn't broken down or missing some vital part you know nothing about. For such a potential reward might you not take the risk if it was offered to you, knowing he actually has access to such a thing but isn't the most honest or reliable of salesmen (but might still be making a genuine offer because he doesn't cheat people for the fun of it; just when it's the easier option for him)?
I don't understand why this shuttle has a table, but no chairs to sit in (other than the pilot and co-pilot stations). And why is there an intercom on the table? Who in the shuttle would be far enough away to need an intercom to reach them? And where would the other intercom be?
they must be shipping the table somewhere
You can talk to the computer through it and get answers from it. Why no chairs? Who knows 🙂
Your argument isn't valid, because the form is invalid. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. 😉
@@armchaircommenter6805 Tbf he never said it didn't make sense. Just that he doesn't understand.
Maybe the intercom is to contact the Enterprise or other ships when they happen to be within range. Wasn't one used to contact the Enterprise in the Menagerie episode?
yeah boi, Spock be p0wning two more noobs yet again!!
🖖🏿
I would never trust any logic coming from a bug-eyed aquamarine guy.
so... bigotry (ie blind belief or blind hate)?
Man.. I have to wonder what Andorians did to the android guy.
Maybe he was built by the Tellurites.
I mean - strictly speaking, yes. But If the source is a snake oil salesman with a long history of saying things that sound plausible and every time turns out to be hawking a scam ... you might want to place your bets in line with the fallacy. There's provable and there's most-likely-in-the-real-world. Due diligence is an exercise left for the reader.
So Jakaro is racist, and the Genetic Fallacy is a variant of the ad hominem (or vice versa).