The cocoon of fainlity has the power of fainlity is why aeons powerless against it besides terminus and being higher because us the players make the cocoon of fainlity more powerful than a aeon. The cocoon only chooses and you can't trick it or loopholes its the memokeepers get memories from it besides using them as a pawn but it wouldn't work
Hey man wanted to say do you think there is a possibility of this happening as a dream cause we know it's based on penacony and everyone was trapped in a dream foe a long time
Fun fact: there are THREE Memokeepers living inside the Astral Express (without paying rent), the Messenger, the one living inside of March (Which I believe is actually Fuli), and Black Swan. By the end of hsr, I think we'll have at minimum 10 Memokeepers living inside the walls of the express
@@himalkanwar77The three paths in question are the Elation, Remembrance and Finality. And what happened in the newest chapter in hi3rd (which time line wise happens a few years before HSR) Sparkle and a memokeeper appears and they already had the Coocoon of finality though it might or might not have any connection with THE Finality. This whole situation is just a little bit too suspicious
@@goatmilk2937 sparkle came but elation didn't vita took the mask that doesn't mean she got blessed by aha even tho it's a symbol of elation but elation doesn't exist in hi3 sparkle is a emanator of elation that's why she can travel world, memokeeper job is to go other world to collect memory remembrance also not here finality of hi3 is not a aeon.finality of hi3 and finality of hsr both are spell different in cn.
@@himalkanwar77 But still representatives from 2/3 of the mentioned paths did appear and this happened years ago so the current situation could be vastly different . I actually don't think the next word in HSR is HI3rd earth, but it is still such a fun coincidence. ( I have never said that the cocoon is an aeon just that there might be some kind of connection between them, like what if the cocoon is an emanator. I was aware that they were called differently in Chinese but if both were translated as finality they should at least have a somewhat similar meaning )
While this is an interesting theory with some creative ideas, there are several inconsistencies that I believe need to be addressed. The idea of the Astral Express heading to Earth in Honkai Impact 3rd is certainly fun to imagine, but it doesn't quite fit when considering the established timeline and lore. First, the events of HI3 Part 2 are about five years behind the current timeline of Honkai Star Rail. By the end of APHO, we’re approaching the time when Welt and Void Archives left Earth and ended up stranded on Salsotto, where Himeko and Pom-Pom discovered them. The encounter with the Memokeeper talking to Kiana, while interesting, takes place before the events of APHO Part 1 and 2 and long before HSR. Additionally, Welt is still on Earth during HI3 Part 2, actively working with Bronya at their game studio, which further complicates the idea of the timelines aligning. Second, the name 'Amphoreus' carries Greek origins, referring to a 'jar with two handles.' This aligns with the references we’ve already seen in HSR's recent quests, particularly the post-Black Swan quest in 2.3 titled 'Tell Me, O Muse,' a direct nod to Homer’s Odyssey. These hints strongly suggest that Amphoreus will be a planet with Greek or Roman themes. This is also supported by previous events like the Cosmodyssey board encounter, where Sparkle jokingly referred to Amphoreus, further embedding Greek references. Lastly, the three paths Black Swan mentioned seem to represent actual Paths that Pathstriders follow, based on their respective Aeons. This further solidifies the idea that Amphoreus is a new planet whose inhabitants follow different Aeons, rather than being connected to Earth.
Regarding your first point, i dont think it matters. It just means that when they hit Earth, the events will be taking place 8+ years after part 1/ 2+ years after part 2, the timeline works out fine since HSR essentially happens after all of that. Regarding the 2nd point, I dont disregard ur point, it also is still speculating. Maybe it is a greek world, but we still also have nothing confirmed abt it. its not like Jarilo V's name referenced what the planet was gonna be For the third point, iirc, sparkle inviting Vita to the masked fools on the CN server takes place in the main story, meaning it is canon, and we know for sure the memokeepers are trying to get memories from that place since its so hard for them to get into since Kiana is rejecting them. So, if the CoF is related to finality in some way, then flthe 3 paths present there would be Elation, Rememberence and Finality. While I dont think they would bring Earth in this early into the story, i think its still a definite possibility. And hey, maybe HSR was just a mega advertistment for HI3rd all along.
@@Gar-z7e You bring up some valid points, and I think there’s room for different interpretations here. Let me expand on a few things: Regarding the first point: I agree that the events in Honkai Star Rail could eventually take place years after Part 2 of Honkai Impact 3rd. However, I still think it's important to consider how tightly woven the timelines currently are. Since APHO is still 5 years behind Star Rail, any direct crossover could feel premature. The development of both games' narratives should reflect this gap so that connections between worlds feel natural and not rushed. When Earth does come into play, the timeline will need to sync properly to avoid confusing overlaps. For the second point about Amphoreus: You're right that there's no official confirmation, and names can be ambiguous. However, Amphoreus being a Greek-themed world seems strongly hinted at based on lore references like "Tell Me, O Muse" and Sparkle’s mention of the planet in Cosmodyssey. Of course, it's still speculation, but the setup seems thematically consistent with how Hoyoverse foreshadows its worlds. Jarilo-V’s name didn’t directly tell us much, but it did carry certain Slavic references that made sense once we saw its setting. Amphoreus seems to be leaning more into classical themes, though we’ll have to wait for 3.0 to know for sure. Third point about Sparkle and Vita: It’s true that Sparkle inviting Vita into the Masked Fools is canon, and I agree that this moment shows Star Rail elements touching Honkai Impact 3rd’s story. However, that connection still feels like a light reference for now, rather than a fully integrated event between the games. Vita’s recruitment by the Masked Fools hints at deeper ties, but I still think we won’t see an actual “timeline crossover” until Honkai Impact 3rd catches up with APHO. Ultimately, I agree that Honkai Star Rail and Honkai Impact 3rd will connect in a bigger way-just probably not until the timelines are more closely aligned. I like your thought that HSR could be seen as a huge advertisement for HI3rd lol
Yea there are inconsistencies, not to mention that will end Walt journey too , sine he wants to find a way back to his universe I think . Also you need to be really careful to handle time travel, multiversal travel crossover etc. To not create a convoluted mess , with sounds like one . Hope Mihoyo knows what their are doing before making things even more convoluted.
Im really glad they revealed that we can trailblaze to a new world because himeko's goal was to basically retrace akivili's steps by going to worlds that are already connected to the star rail. Now we can explore new worlds and My man welt can go home😂
@@passerby0102Vita replaced Sa , so it could be Vita , i think the mysterious entity that is with Su , is a higher God , that knows the truth of the Universe as it claimed .
And black swan isn't just another character, she is also a memokeeper. Fettered by three paths, may not be referring to the pathstrider system, but the fact that the world is at a crossroads "its destiny hangs in the balance..."
And we know from the Honkai Impact 3rd cutscene with Kiana (The end of the most recent chapter) that Kiana was approached by a memo keeper as well as Sparkle meeting Vita
I could imagine at one point both of the game has the same progression for main story just in a different perspective, only to separate in the later chapter, that'd be fun to see
I think both HSR and HI3 share the same universe. But let's clear some misconception first: Amphoreus is NOT earth nor does it exist in HI3 solar system. The red flag is that they have path system while HI3 doesn't. Second, in english translation, the word "world" was badly translated to "Universe" so people thought that HSR and HI3 are separated by Sea of Quanta and have different universes but that's not true. HSR world is so advance that their society is able to traverse the cosmos freely, but that doesn't mean the whole universe already got explored. Somewhere in those unexplored area there is HI3 Solar system shielded by Oort cloud and CoF that prevent path from manifesting into power source. And there's also Amphoreus which might be close to HI3 solar system if we're lucky.
@@nguyenphong60-d3t exactly, but I may add that "world" don't have to be 1 planet. It can be a solar system, a galaxy, clusters of galaxy, and so on. But "universe" will always be bigger than "world".
@@TheNamelessKaslana According leaks, it does refer HSR paths and considering these leaks were the first one to mention the name Amphoreus and 3 paths thing, they seem VERY legit.
Let's see, it's been stated that for some time now that Sa didn't managed to step out of our solar system cause there's like barrier that stops anything from coming out. There's also the question where did the Sky people came from and why they are after StarRail Himeko and how they managed to enter our solar system Is the Sea of Quanta a loop hole to this barrier since the Sugars used can use it to visit and leave Earth, I mean Kevin did manage to imprison Earth's Herrshers to the moon via Sea of Quanta
Didn't Sa made the Sky People ,that what the sugar guys were saying ? I also remember Marah the old colegue of Sa , left with the Sky People , she improved them and she commands them now , she was able to go beyond the walls and explore the universe . She also said she will return to teach Sa a lesson and all . Seems to me Marah will be a potential new God big threat , commanding the Sky People and all . This will put Vita in direct conflict with her i guess .
@@grip3939 OH really? Like Elysia then . I guess maybe he could be from either Venus , Mars or another planet not from our solar system. Now we need from where Elysia came as well, and her supposedly previous incarnations, from what Mei was saying if that is still a thing , if Mihoyo still remember that .
I like your definition but welt already tell us that the aeons and finality don’t share the same nature and I wouldn’t call Kiana a emanator because when she embraces finality is more like he fuse with the cocoon they become like one entity not like a aeon and their emanator another example say in hi3 is that every herrscher is the embrace of their power so yea.
But honkai impact 3rd and honkai star rail are within two separate universes so it wouldn't be the exact hi3 world but the hsr equivalent of hi3s world, or it could be that the memokeepers have found a way to cross universes at will and thus is getting welt back home. Either way I'm very curious to see how it plays out
Sparkle literally went to the main honkai impact 3rd world memo keeper also said its part of the universe where aeons gaze dont fall and never said it a completely different universe since Welt literally just travelled to hsr from earth to space
We all thought that but the memokeeper who just spawned in Kiana's dream like that proved that Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai Star Rail are way more connected than what we thought
If you play Hi# you'd realize that just because 2 universes are "separate" doesn't mean they aren't "connected". We've already been to SEVRAL bible universes in HI3 and Welt being in HSR kinda proves that both are connected. The imaginary tree lore is very complicated but hoyo really likes to play around with "wobbly wobbly spacie wasey" themes, in their games.
What doesnt make sense is that Black Swan specifically said a world not discovered by aeons but treating on 3 paths. In HI3 paths dont exist. Which makes me think is she talking about the paths in terms of their philosophy? Also HI3 world being hidden doesnt mean *someone* is hiding it. Imaginary barriers exist within all worlds of img tree. Only beings like emanators aeons can visit such worlds until star rail is established there. Also HI3 in star rail would be like 8 years past current HI3 and 6 years past APHO. Which is kind of insane to think about.
What if Sa was actually Terminus? I have a few statements to make first and foremost: 1.There is an imaginary barrier around the solar system that is preventing Sa from leaving (before kiana achieved finality) 2.SPOILERS FOR HI3RD CHAPTER 5 People from HSR are able to visit HI3rd Solar system, after Kiana's slumber 3.The imaginary barrier might have dissipated when Kiana went into a deep slumber which allowed Sparkle and the memokeeper to arrive into HI3rd; SA could also have escaped an established rules and authority as an aeon.. Idk that's just my theory
Think aeon of finalizira and cocoon are written differently in cn so i dont think they are same also if amphoreus is earth and AE crew nereda memokeepee to GET there how tf did sparkle do it?
@@TheNamelessKaslana Even if she continues to absorb most of the energy from the Sea of Quanta to become another Cocoon? Also, what do you think of the imaginary barrier theory? If I'm not mistaken, it has been mentioned in Hi3rd Salt Snow Holy City during Vita's backstory. I think it makes a lot of sense why Aeons wouldnt detect the Cocoon of Finality or Earth before...
@@thesecretsage6642 The imaginary barrier will not hinder hi3 solar system from Aeon at all, what Sa in hi3 just found out about imaginary barrier was already mentioned by Zandar in HSR in ancient times. With Aeon's power, breaking through the imaginary barrier is not a problem, even EMANATOR can do it thanks to the blessings of the Aeons
I had thought that the cast of Honkkai Impact has been with the Astra Express together as sort of cooperation since this started. They always make a good crossover with one another.
Thinking, the possibility about this theory is real but remember, garden of recollection can literally someone else and with tell them it's earth since they are technically not restricted by anyone. thought, that is the thing, the conversation between kiana and the memokeeper in hi3 is kinda almost similar to what black swan did spoke with the astral express. so that is why, it was right to asked if it's really earth? there are several things that need to point out in this one. first we need to pinpoint what are the thing that seem to identical with both hi3 and hsr which we all know is the astral express itself. as we know, the express is similar to the express that welt rode with joyce but, the express with are in is a modified one that himeko repair herself. tho we had lore with express but, we don't know where the express came from. which is the suspicion is justified it was possibly earth because of the similarities between the two express. second point we need to address is the portal the welt and void use to go the hsr verse. we all know that there is this one portal the welt and void use once before it disappeared, to go back and forth the world and now welt is looking a way for him to come back hi3 verse. 3rd point is that, the characters themselves being, the mirror of some characters from hi3 to hsr. like blackswan said, the presence can be only reveal by the light the "mirror" of garden of recollection. now then the question is, why Aeon can't see this world? the answer lies with what black swan said, a "mirror" what we have here is two world that was similar and yet, different with one another while hsr are govern and guide by Aeons. Hi3 had basically a free will that was granted by kiana after absorption of cocoon of finality humanity choosing their own path different from the hsr verse where their path was guided by the aeon. but there is one crucial thing that blackswan said. when she said that the balance was hanging she called it "path" tho we use "path" to describe aeons, remember that not even the aeon was able to oversee that world so. because humanity had free will, different from the one on the other side of the mirror. it got three path of choice. tho as for what we know, herta exist in that world, the real one and now we know that ix is now looking in that world, same goes for the remembrance as they discover the world. and what we had here is 3 paths. erudition, remembrance and the unknown free will. tho, that just may opinion on the matter
yeah, cn player mention that Sparkle is part of mainstory in chapter 5. That mean Sparkle came to Mars before came to Penacony. If we consider the timeline between 2 games.
For those who a bit dentge, remembered there's barrier between them... It might br works as wormhole to teleport by will but due to HooH won't give the access Just a theory
The Imaginary Tree if we count it as an entity , is the highest force so far ,SoQ too if it has an actual will as well but Mihoyo doesn't really explore more the Sea .
If this theory holds true then Star Rail universe includes the hidden away HI3 solar system by the creation of the Sea of Quanta as the barrier! It make sense then that no one in HI3 solar system can travel outside of it via any normal means, not even finality Kiana
i’ve always wondered where is carole right now??? because she was in the astral express at the same time with welt but i haven’t know anything about her
They definitely know their shit gets leaked because, in one of their live streams, the creators talk about it and how they don't like that it keeps happening but, unfortunately, have to deal with it.
This is a fact. It's not even a speculation. Honkai Star Rail started because Welt went to that universe to try to protect Himeko from the sky people who are trying to kill her.
@@johncardboard4624 Yes, but the story of Honkai Star Rail was based on Welt going to that universe to save Himeko. So, yes, they created the game for money, but the story is based on Welt it's not a random story that came out of nowhere.
CoF being an Aeon and Kiana being an Emanator is a bias. Kiana is way above an Aeon. Most people can't read fr. Also spoiler: ua-cam.com/video/zOjkDCR-HnA/v-deo.html
That mean that was elation, remembrance and enigma. Why enigma not finality. First Cocoon of finality is not like Aeon. Second, DS real form was birth from gold liquid and rainbow aura who connected to mytus also she have power to control dream and reality like how Gallagar say. Yeah mars sper computer is kinda same with dream scape.
So the Earth will have a Stellaron? Because no Stellaron means no fragmentum, and no fragmentum mean no caverns of corrosion, calyxes and Stagnant shadows
No, since Earth is a completely new area that not even Akivili was able to find. All they need is to just to explore that area and set a new rail that was never set before. That will recharge the engine
Isnt rumor the next place is greek theme ... o i do wonder what other place we know in Honkai were people dress as old greek people...HM.... Maybe should ask Vita ,she seem trust worthy
It would be interesting if Herrcher of Finallity (Not Kiana, but the entity that is most likely sealing the universe around HI3rd) is an Eminator of Terminus
@@RaykinaBreaker Xueyi IS dead but playable, galagar technicaly it doesn't exit. So if we Travel whith the gardian of recollection maybe see old character IS possible
It's not. The Astral Express's tracks leads them through space... not the imaginary tree. There is a Mai in HI:3 reality AND the Star Rail reality yes? But there can't be TWO MAI'S FROM the SAME reality. The Star Rail has not yet been revealed to be able to travel into different REALITIES, which it would have to be doing in order to reach Honkai Earth. The only potential way this could lead to this, is if Amphoreus somehow includes a means to traverse the imaginary tree. I wouldn't be shocked, however, if KIANA, Either HI:3's Kiana OR the Star Rail universe's new Kiana, is there, but I wouldn't be shocked for her to not be there either. They ARE gradually seeming to be interested in bridging the universes more closely together... possibly to continue the HI:3 story somewhat in a game that isn't flagging and showing its age... but I suspect it's probably still much too early for that.
The memokeeper already confirmed that Honkai Impact 3rd exist in the same universe as Honkai Star Rail. It's just that there is an entity that is preventing the Aeons and people in Honkai Star Rail of finding it. Moreover, Welt is already a confirmation enough that the Honkai Impact 3rd characters can spawn out of nowhere in Honkai Star Rail, which means they are connected in a way that allows that to happen
@@TheNamelessKaslana also i think same entity thats preventing aeons from coming to solar system is also preventing humans from leaving But idk i saw a cn playtrough of ch 5 on yt
@@TheNamelessKaslana Then how are there two Raidan Bosenmori Mei's? How is Himeko both dead in the Star Rail Universe, and alive in the Star Rail Universe? See what I mean? It's in the same 'continuity' they aren't in the same 'universe'. There are just methods to move into alternate universes within the Mihoyo 'multiverse'. They're separate branches off the imaginary tree.
Since Sparkle have appear in Main Story of Part 2..and will be playable in HI3... yeah.. It's just a possibility that she will stalking Astral Express...
Insteresting nerding out but I personally don't think so. Because it is Hoyoverse, this doesn't mean that Black Swan is referring to the Sol System, HI3rd Universe. The situation could be similar as many things are similar in life and in our history. The Voyager 1 is travelling out of Sol System and it has detected a bit more than 500 objects moving. I guess that most will just think "alines" but in fact there are so many things that we already know as facts and way too many things that we don't know. So, what I personally know is that the main story 3.0 is going to hapen way after and not just right now. Meaning it is way after the HI3rd x HSR crossover. Let's be minded objective and not mindlessly travel the universes with blinded minds!
It's good theory, but leaks that are almost certainly correct (they mentioned 3 paths and name Amphoreus long before Swan mentioned them in game). Other things it mentioned are: . . . . . . . It's Greece inspired and paths are irc Erudition, Destruction and Nihility(?). Also Sparkle supposedly pretended to be Divine Mecha pilot (not spoiler).
It was supposed to be Collab, now slowly it turns out to be just connecting two world's together into one Hm...now that i think about it, it would be funny if solar system of HI3rd would be simply hidden by Cocoon of Finality from Aeons, but then there is a question, how did Sparkle menaged to slip through?, and based on that would mean both games were always one world, not even diffrent bubble Universe, the very same world, but one simply hidden by Finality, as to why it is hidden, it could be becouse Finality didn't wanted Honkai to slip through and same goes for Stelaron, but that's just a theory Still cool tho :>
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The cocoon of fainlity has the power of fainlity is why aeons powerless against it besides terminus and being higher because us the players make the cocoon of fainlity more powerful than a aeon. The cocoon only chooses and you can't trick it or loopholes its the memokeepers get memories from it besides using them as a pawn but it wouldn't work
Hey man wanted to say do you think there is a possibility of this happening as a dream cause we know it's based on penacony and everyone was trapped in a dream foe a long time
Fun fact: there are THREE Memokeepers living inside the Astral Express (without paying rent), the Messenger, the one living inside of March (Which I believe is actually Fuli), and Black Swan.
By the end of hsr, I think we'll have at minimum 10 Memokeepers living inside the walls of the express
The one inside March, do you mean the one we met during March's companion quest?
@@labibahhafiz7497 yeah, that one called March "My child", that's the only thing that made me think that Memokeeper i's actually Fuli.
I don't know why but I find it funny how the more we progress on story, the more memokeepers freeloading on Astral Express :')
If this turns out to be true that would be kinda sneaky of them to give it different name to surprise us later
First it's not because it's influence by 3 path while hi3 has zero path
@@himalkanwar77The three paths in question are the Elation, Remembrance and Finality. And what happened in the newest chapter in hi3rd (which time line wise happens a few years before HSR) Sparkle and a memokeeper appears and they already had the Coocoon of finality though it might or might not have any connection with THE Finality. This whole situation is just a little bit too suspicious
@@goatmilk2937 true
@@goatmilk2937 sparkle came but elation didn't vita took the mask that doesn't mean she got blessed by aha even tho it's a symbol of elation but elation doesn't exist in hi3 sparkle is a emanator of elation that's why she can travel world, memokeeper job is to go other world to collect memory remembrance also not here finality of hi3 is not a aeon.finality of hi3 and finality of hsr both are spell different in cn.
@@himalkanwar77 But still representatives from 2/3 of the mentioned paths did appear and this happened years ago so the current situation could be vastly different . I actually don't think the next word in HSR is HI3rd earth, but it is still such a fun coincidence. ( I have never said that the cocoon is an aeon just that there might be some kind of connection between them, like what if the cocoon is an emanator. I was aware that they were called differently in Chinese but if both were translated as finality they should at least have a somewhat similar meaning )
While this is an interesting theory with some creative ideas, there are several inconsistencies that I believe need to be addressed. The idea of the Astral Express heading to Earth in Honkai Impact 3rd is certainly fun to imagine, but it doesn't quite fit when considering the established timeline and lore.
First, the events of HI3 Part 2 are about five years behind the current timeline of Honkai Star Rail. By the end of APHO, we’re approaching the time when Welt and Void Archives left Earth and ended up stranded on Salsotto, where Himeko and Pom-Pom discovered them. The encounter with the Memokeeper talking to Kiana, while interesting, takes place before the events of APHO Part 1 and 2 and long before HSR. Additionally, Welt is still on Earth during HI3 Part 2, actively working with Bronya at their game studio, which further complicates the idea of the timelines aligning.
Second, the name 'Amphoreus' carries Greek origins, referring to a 'jar with two handles.' This aligns with the references we’ve already seen in HSR's recent quests, particularly the post-Black Swan quest in 2.3 titled 'Tell Me, O Muse,' a direct nod to Homer’s Odyssey. These hints strongly suggest that Amphoreus will be a planet with Greek or Roman themes. This is also supported by previous events like the Cosmodyssey board encounter, where Sparkle jokingly referred to Amphoreus, further embedding Greek references.
Lastly, the three paths Black Swan mentioned seem to represent actual Paths that Pathstriders follow, based on their respective Aeons. This further solidifies the idea that Amphoreus is a new planet whose inhabitants follow different Aeons, rather than being connected to Earth.
Regarding your first point, i dont think it matters. It just means that when they hit Earth, the events will be taking place 8+ years after part 1/ 2+ years after part 2, the timeline works out fine since HSR essentially happens after all of that.
Regarding the 2nd point, I dont disregard ur point, it also is still speculating. Maybe it is a greek world, but we still also have nothing confirmed abt it. its not like Jarilo V's name referenced what the planet was gonna be
For the third point, iirc, sparkle inviting Vita to the masked fools on the CN server takes place in the main story, meaning it is canon, and we know for sure the memokeepers are trying to get memories from that place since its so hard for them to get into since Kiana is rejecting them. So, if the CoF is related to finality in some way, then flthe 3 paths present there would be Elation, Rememberence and Finality.
While I dont think they would bring Earth in this early into the story, i think its still a definite possibility. And hey, maybe HSR was just a mega advertistment for HI3rd all along.
@@Gar-z7e You bring up some valid points, and I think there’s room for different interpretations here. Let me expand on a few things:
Regarding the first point:
I agree that the events in Honkai Star Rail could eventually take place years after Part 2 of Honkai Impact 3rd. However, I still think it's important to consider how tightly woven the timelines currently are. Since APHO is still 5 years behind Star Rail, any direct crossover could feel premature. The development of both games' narratives should reflect this gap so that connections between worlds feel natural and not rushed. When Earth does come into play, the timeline will need to sync properly to avoid confusing overlaps.
For the second point about Amphoreus:
You're right that there's no official confirmation, and names can be ambiguous. However, Amphoreus being a Greek-themed world seems strongly hinted at based on lore references like "Tell Me, O Muse" and Sparkle’s mention of the planet in Cosmodyssey. Of course, it's still speculation, but the setup seems thematically consistent with how Hoyoverse foreshadows its worlds. Jarilo-V’s name didn’t directly tell us much, but it did carry certain Slavic references that made sense once we saw its setting. Amphoreus seems to be leaning more into classical themes, though we’ll have to wait for 3.0 to know for sure.
Third point about Sparkle and Vita:
It’s true that Sparkle inviting Vita into the Masked Fools is canon, and I agree that this moment shows Star Rail elements touching Honkai Impact 3rd’s story. However, that connection still feels like a light reference for now, rather than a fully integrated event between the games. Vita’s recruitment by the Masked Fools hints at deeper ties, but I still think we won’t see an actual “timeline crossover” until Honkai Impact 3rd catches up with APHO.
Ultimately, I agree that Honkai Star Rail and Honkai Impact 3rd will connect in a bigger way-just probably not until the timelines are more closely aligned. I like your thought that HSR could be seen as a huge advertisement for HI3rd lol
They better have a 5* Spartan who is a main dps
Aldo Sparkle, Vita and Aha
Yea there are inconsistencies, not to mention that will end Walt journey too , sine he wants to find a way back to his universe I think .
Also you need to be really careful to handle time travel, multiversal travel crossover etc. To not create a convoluted mess , with sounds like one . Hope Mihoyo knows what their are doing before making things even more convoluted.
Good theory but wouldn’t it be a bit early though? Because bringing in the Honkai impact Earth sounds like end game material than the fourth planet
Im really glad they revealed that we can trailblaze to a new world because himeko's goal was to basically retrace akivili's steps by going to worlds that are already connected to the star rail.
Now we can explore new worlds and
My man welt can go home😂
Welt coming back home with the milk 💅✨👌
The queue to buy the milk was longer than expected 😂
Tesla will use the mom weapon😅
Three paths/gods could be senadina, Kiana and the entity su met.
This was literally my thoughts after recent events, it could also be Sa instead of the entity Su met
@@passerby0102Vita replaced Sa , so it could be Vita , i think the mysterious entity that is with Su , is a higher God , that knows the truth of the Universe as it claimed .
@@Kobalt_Rax_the_one I had a theory that Su is actually playing chess with Nous
@@Fallensnowch Don't know how is that
And black swan isn't just another character, she is also a memokeeper. Fettered by three paths, may not be referring to the pathstrider system, but the fact that the world is at a crossroads "its destiny hangs in the balance..."
And we know from the Honkai Impact 3rd cutscene with Kiana (The end of the most recent chapter) that Kiana was approached by a memo keeper as well as Sparkle meeting Vita
I could imagine at one point both of the game has the same progression for main story just in a different perspective, only to separate in the later chapter, that'd be fun to see
I think both HSR and HI3 share the same universe. But let's clear some misconception first: Amphoreus is NOT earth nor does it exist in HI3 solar system. The red flag is that they have path system while HI3 doesn't.
Second, in english translation, the word "world" was badly translated to "Universe" so people thought that HSR and HI3 are separated by Sea of Quanta and have different universes but that's not true.
HSR world is so advance that their society is able to traverse the cosmos freely, but that doesn't mean the whole universe already got explored.
Somewhere in those unexplored area there is HI3 Solar system shielded by Oort cloud and CoF that prevent path from manifesting into power source. And there's also Amphoreus which might be close to HI3 solar system if we're lucky.
The 3 paths don't need to be referring to actual paths, but they could be hinting towards something else. But we will see what happens
actually "World" is reresented by 1 planet not universe
@@nguyenphong60-d3t exactly, but I may add that "world" don't have to be 1 planet. It can be a solar system, a galaxy, clusters of galaxy, and so on.
But "universe" will always be bigger than "world".
@@TheNamelessKaslana According leaks, it does refer HSR paths and considering these leaks were the first one to mention the name Amphoreus and 3 paths thing, they seem VERY legit.
Let's see, it's been stated that for some time now that Sa didn't managed to step out of our solar system cause there's like barrier that stops anything from coming out.
There's also the question where did the Sky people came from and why they are after StarRail Himeko and how they managed to enter our solar system
Is the Sea of Quanta a loop hole to this barrier since the Sugars used can use it to visit and leave Earth, I mean Kevin did manage to imprison Earth's Herrshers to the moon via Sea of Quanta
Didn't Sa made the Sky People ,that what the sugar guys were saying ? I also remember Marah the old colegue of Sa , left with the Sky People , she improved them and she commands them now , she was able to go beyond the walls and explore the universe . She also said she will return to teach Sa a lesson and all .
Seems to me Marah will be a potential new God big threat , commanding the Sky People and all . This will put Vita in direct conflict with her i guess .
@@Kobalt_Rax_the_one yeah meaning they are the first to find a way out of the solar system. Also where did --Kalpas-- came from ?
@@grip3939 Huh isn't he from Earth ?
@@Kobalt_Rax_the_one Nuh he fell from the sky
@@grip3939 OH really? Like Elysia then . I guess maybe he could be from either Venus , Mars or another planet not from our solar system. Now we need from where Elysia came as well, and her supposedly previous incarnations, from what Mei was saying if that is still a thing , if Mihoyo still remember that .
I like your definition but welt already tell us that the aeons and finality don’t share the same nature and I wouldn’t call Kiana a emanator because when she embraces finality is more like he fuse with the cocoon they become like one entity not like a aeon and their emanator another example say in hi3 is that every herrscher is the embrace of their power so yea.
But honkai impact 3rd and honkai star rail are within two separate universes so it wouldn't be the exact hi3 world but the hsr equivalent of hi3s world, or it could be that the memokeepers have found a way to cross universes at will and thus is getting welt back home.
Either way I'm very curious to see how it plays out
Sparkle literally went to the main honkai impact 3rd world memo keeper also said its part of the universe where aeons gaze dont fall and never said it a completely different universe since Welt literally just travelled to hsr from earth to space
We all thought that but the memokeeper who just spawned in Kiana's dream like that proved that Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai Star Rail are way more connected than what we thought
If you play Hi# you'd realize that just because 2 universes are "separate" doesn't mean they aren't "connected". We've already been to SEVRAL bible universes in HI3 and Welt being in HSR kinda proves that both are connected. The imaginary tree lore is very complicated but hoyo really likes to play around with "wobbly wobbly spacie wasey" themes, in their games.
the 3 paths, the path of finality, of Remembrance and of elation
So no destruction?
Finality = future, Elation = presence, Remembrance = past 🗣🔥🔥
thinking more about it,
finality: Earth
Elation: Venus
Remembrance: Mars
most martians are somewhat of a Memetic Entity
@@kurokami5964 out of curiousity, how is elation related to venus?
@@Moonstar43223mb since vita gonna join elation gang with sparkle
She really wants Kiana's memories.
She'll just get traumatized because of what Kiana went through in the main story of HI3 in Part 1 lmaooo
well if HI3 still use element from her older sister GGZ then we will get highest entity the outer god like Yog Sothoth.......
What doesnt make sense is that Black Swan specifically said a world not discovered by aeons but treating on 3 paths. In HI3 paths dont exist. Which makes me think is she talking about the paths in terms of their philosophy?
Also HI3 world being hidden doesnt mean *someone* is hiding it. Imaginary barriers exist within all worlds of img tree. Only beings like emanators aeons can visit such worlds until star rail is established there.
Also HI3 in star rail would be like 8 years past current HI3 and 6 years past APHO. Which is kind of insane to think about.
Sparkle could visit that world
What if Sa was actually Terminus?
I have a few statements to make first and foremost:
1.There is an imaginary barrier around the solar system that is preventing Sa from leaving
(before kiana achieved finality)
2.SPOILERS FOR HI3RD CHAPTER 5
People from HSR are able to visit HI3rd Solar system, after Kiana's slumber
3.The imaginary barrier might have dissipated when Kiana went into a deep slumber which allowed Sparkle and the memokeeper to arrive into HI3rd; SA could also have escaped an established rules and authority as an aeon..
Idk that's just my theory
Sa was too weak to be Terminus. The Cocoon of Finality makes much more sense to be on Aeon level in my opinion
Think aeon of finalizira and cocoon are written differently in cn
so i dont think they are same
also if amphoreus is earth and AE crew nereda memokeepee to GET there how tf did sparkle do it?
@@TheNamelessKaslana Even if she continues to absorb most of the energy from the Sea of Quanta to become another Cocoon?
Also, what do you think of the imaginary barrier theory? If I'm not mistaken, it has been mentioned in Hi3rd Salt Snow Holy City during Vita's backstory.
I think it makes a lot of sense why Aeons wouldnt detect the Cocoon of Finality or Earth before...
@@MP123-g4o Idk, ELATION GO BRRRR
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The imaginary barrier will not hinder hi3 solar system from Aeon at all, what Sa in hi3 just found out about imaginary barrier was already mentioned by Zandar in HSR in ancient times.
With Aeon's power, breaking through the imaginary barrier is not a problem, even EMANATOR can do it thanks to the blessings of the Aeons
The higher being must be the one Su played chess with
I had thought that the cast of Honkkai Impact has been with the Astra Express together as sort of cooperation since this started. They always make a good crossover with one another.
Thinking, the possibility about this theory is real but remember, garden of recollection can literally someone else and with tell them it's earth since they are technically not restricted by anyone. thought, that is the thing, the conversation between kiana and the memokeeper in hi3 is kinda almost similar to what black swan did spoke with the astral express. so that is why, it was right to asked if it's really earth? there are several things that need to point out in this one. first we need to pinpoint what are the thing that seem to identical with both hi3 and hsr which we all know is the astral express itself. as we know, the express is similar to the express that welt rode with joyce but, the express with are in is a modified one that himeko repair herself. tho we had lore with express but, we don't know where the express came from. which is the suspicion is justified it was possibly earth because of the similarities between the two express. second point we need to address is the portal the welt and void use to go the hsr verse. we all know that there is this one portal the welt and void use once before it disappeared, to go back and forth the world and now welt is looking a way for him to come back hi3 verse. 3rd point is that, the characters themselves being, the mirror of some characters from hi3 to hsr. like blackswan said, the presence can be only reveal by the light the "mirror" of garden of recollection. now then the question is, why Aeon can't see this world? the answer lies with what black swan said, a "mirror" what we have here is two world that was similar and yet, different with one another while hsr are govern and guide by Aeons. Hi3 had basically a free will that was granted by kiana after absorption of cocoon of finality humanity choosing their own path different from the hsr verse where their path was guided by the aeon. but there is one crucial thing that blackswan said. when she said that the balance was hanging she called it "path" tho we use "path" to describe aeons, remember that not even the aeon was able to oversee that world so. because humanity had free will, different from the one on the other side of the mirror. it got three path of choice. tho as for what we know, herta exist in that world, the real one and now we know that ix is now looking in that world, same goes for the remembrance as they discover the world. and what we had here is 3 paths. erudition, remembrance and the unknown free will. tho, that just may opinion on the matter
The short answer is No. But on Hi3 they are starting to make a connection to HSR with Sprakle.
yeah, cn player mention that Sparkle is part of mainstory in chapter 5. That mean Sparkle came to Mars before came to Penacony. If we consider the timeline between 2 games.
For those who a bit dentge, remembered there's barrier between them... It might br works as wormhole to teleport by will but due to HooH won't give the access
Just a theory
The Imaginary Tree if we count it as an entity , is the highest force so far ,SoQ too if it has an actual will as well but Mihoyo doesn't really explore more the Sea .
After knowing current hi3 story, your theory will more likely true
If this theory holds true then Star Rail universe includes the hidden away HI3 solar system by the creation of the Sea of Quanta as the barrier! It make sense then that no one in HI3 solar system can travel outside of it via any normal means, not even finality Kiana
nice. Now I found new reason to rush HSR story.
i’ve always wondered where is carole right now??? because she was in the astral express at the same time with welt but i haven’t know anything about her
That was in reburn 2 concept trailer. That isn’t canon.
@@MP123-g4o oh it wasn’t? i never knew 😞
The trailer showing Carole and Welt was just a concept animation. It wasn't a canon trailer
@@TheNamelessKaslana wait so what about Aileen? is she not canon as well?
@@Moonstar43223 For now, she isn't. Even if she appears at some point in the story, she will have nothing to do with the one shown in that animation.
I wonder if the HSR team knew that Rappa would be leaked, so they made her ult similar to the ult of the herrsher of origin.
They definitely know their shit gets leaked because, in one of their live streams, the creators talk about it and how they don't like that it keeps happening but, unfortunately, have to deal with it.
what if amphoreus is Pluto
All we had to do is wait and clearing Tingyun case lol
7:24 this sound less like reason and more like your own head canon
This is a fact. It's not even a speculation.
Honkai Star Rail started because Welt went to that universe to try to protect Himeko from the sky people who are trying to kill her.
@@TheNamelessKaslana HSR started because of money. Hoyo can't really on Genshin carrying the companies future on its own.
@@johncardboard4624 Yes, but the story of Honkai Star Rail was based on Welt going to that universe to save Himeko. So, yes, they created the game for money, but the story is based on Welt it's not a random story that came out of nowhere.
I hope it is finaly it
CoF being an Aeon and Kiana being an Emanator is a bias. Kiana is way above an Aeon. Most people can't read fr. Also spoiler: ua-cam.com/video/zOjkDCR-HnA/v-deo.html
I don't now why memokeeper look and speak that world honkai impact
Sadly the collaboration is possible because the two games wont interlab in their stories. Or rather, no direct interactions with the casts of HI3
Nothing of what I mentioned happened in a collab event or trailer. Everything is taken from the main story of both games
That mean that was elation, remembrance and enigma. Why enigma not finality. First Cocoon of finality is not like Aeon.
Second, DS real form was birth from gold liquid and rainbow aura who connected to mytus also she have power to control dream and reality like how Gallagar say. Yeah mars sper computer is kinda same with dream scape.
I think if Aeon coming to world honkai impact that not good becouse we now Aeon dangers and the hand Aeon stelaron
Супер, а ще буде дуже потужно якщо Ахерон потрабить в Хонкай імпакт
So the Earth will have a Stellaron? Because no Stellaron means no fragmentum, and no fragmentum mean no caverns of corrosion, calyxes and Stagnant shadows
No, since Earth is a completely new area that not even Akivili was able to find. All they need is to just to explore that area and set a new rail that was never set before. That will recharge the engine
Cocoon created the shadows
Isnt rumor the next place is greek theme ... o i do wonder what other place we know in Honkai were people dress as old greek people...HM....
Maybe should ask Vita ,she seem trust worthy
It would be interesting if Herrcher of Finallity (Not Kiana, but the entity that is most likely sealing the universe around HI3rd) is an Eminator of Terminus
Kiana is already at bare minimum emanator level. The entity that is sealing sealing the HI3 universe is 100% stronger than emanator level.
If this turns out to be true I am excited to play Kevin and Kalpas
why you expecting we got to pull dead character? 😂
@@RaykinaBreaker Xueyi IS dead but playable, galagar technicaly it doesn't exit. So if we Travel whith the gardian of recollection maybe see old character IS possible
@@RaykinaBreaker Last reason all payer of IH3 wanna play Kevin, Kalpas, Su, Otto, etc. So myhoyo for the marketing Can release some of them
this is a very interesting theory
It's not. The Astral Express's tracks leads them through space... not the imaginary tree. There is a Mai in HI:3 reality AND the Star Rail reality yes? But there can't be TWO MAI'S FROM the SAME reality. The Star Rail has not yet been revealed to be able to travel into different REALITIES, which it would have to be doing in order to reach Honkai Earth. The only potential way this could lead to this, is if Amphoreus somehow includes a means to traverse the imaginary tree.
I wouldn't be shocked, however, if KIANA, Either HI:3's Kiana OR the Star Rail universe's new Kiana, is there, but I wouldn't be shocked for her to not be there either. They ARE gradually seeming to be interested in bridging the universes more closely together... possibly to continue the HI:3 story somewhat in a game that isn't flagging and showing its age... but I suspect it's probably still much too early for that.
Idk about that we literally have 2 bronya in star rail
@@azuremoon4754 we do not. Silver Wolf is not Bronya.
The memokeeper already confirmed that Honkai Impact 3rd exist in the same universe as Honkai Star Rail. It's just that there is an entity that is preventing the Aeons and people in Honkai Star Rail of finding it.
Moreover, Welt is already a confirmation enough that the Honkai Impact 3rd characters can spawn out of nowhere in Honkai Star Rail, which means they are connected in a way that allows that to happen
@@TheNamelessKaslana also i think same entity thats preventing aeons from coming to solar system is also preventing humans from leaving
But idk i saw a cn playtrough of ch 5 on yt
@@TheNamelessKaslana Then how are there two Raidan Bosenmori Mei's? How is Himeko both dead in the Star Rail Universe, and alive in the Star Rail Universe? See what I mean? It's in the same 'continuity' they aren't in the same 'universe'. There are just methods to move into alternate universes within the Mihoyo 'multiverse'. They're separate branches off the imaginary tree.
I mean we probably gonna get earth otherwise How are we going to get the fate collab.
Я думаю Кіана дуже зрадіє коли побачить Жуву Хімеку в Хонкай Стар Рейл
Sparkle are gonna will have PTSD....If she meet again with Black Swan in HI3...
HI3 if a few years behind HSR
@@goatmilk2937 Yeah, besides, her interference is non canon since its just a collab
Since Sparkle have appear in Main Story of Part 2..and will be playable in HI3...
yeah.. It's just a possibility that she will stalking Astral Express...
@@nathanandres7695sparkle already appears in hi3rd part 2 main story ch 5 so she is canon
@@amefury5095 mb, I'm forgetting cuz of the main timeline of both games
That would be awesome
Insteresting nerding out but I personally don't think so. Because it is Hoyoverse, this doesn't mean that Black Swan is referring to the Sol System, HI3rd Universe. The situation could be similar as many things are similar in life and in our history. The Voyager 1 is travelling out of Sol System and it has detected a bit more than 500 objects moving. I guess that most will just think "alines" but in fact there are so many things that we already know as facts and way too many things that we don't know. So, what I personally know is that the main story 3.0 is going to hapen way after and not just right now. Meaning it is way after the HI3rd x HSR crossover. Let's be minded objective and not mindlessly travel the universes with blinded minds!
All of what I'm talking about happened in the main story of honkai impact 3rd and honkai star rail not in the collab.
yes
It's good theory, but leaks that are almost certainly correct (they mentioned 3 paths and name Amphoreus long before Swan mentioned them in game). Other things it mentioned are:
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It's Greece inspired and paths are irc Erudition, Destruction and Nihility(?). Also Sparkle supposedly pretended to be Divine Mecha pilot (not spoiler).
It was supposed to be Collab, now slowly it turns out to be just connecting two world's together into one
Hm...now that i think about it, it would be funny if solar system of HI3rd would be simply hidden by Cocoon of Finality from Aeons, but then there is a question, how did Sparkle menaged to slip through?, and based on that would mean both games were always one world, not even diffrent bubble Universe, the very same world, but one simply hidden by Finality, as to why it is hidden, it could be becouse Finality didn't wanted Honkai to slip through and same goes for Stelaron, but that's just a theory
Still cool tho :>
Also, dear god, Sparkle and Vita in same world screams chaos and trouble
It bad no capten to ask ?🤔🤔😐😐
Bruh, eileen! Wtf