@@nicbentulan If you touch a piece you must move that piece. But as long as you didn't hit the clock to end your turn you can reposition that piese how many times you want
If you touch the rook, you are supposed to move it according to the rules - not castle. This technically is a "touch move claim" - I think his opponent alluded to that. Edit: I have seen the video more carefully. Fedoseev was 'distracted' by (I think the arbiter) 'announcing' start of the round when he played the bishop move - and hence I think the fault is with the arbiter/announcer for doing that. Fedoseev had to play because his time was running. In this scenario, I would not fault Fedoseev for the (admittedly) illegal move of the bishop to b5 rather than c4. Niemann also _likely_ started the clock _before_ he was supposed to. Arbiters did not catch it - and that is also a fault of the arbiters! Edit 2: Wearing a watch is also definitely banned in most serious (certainly FIDE-sanctioned) events (even though it was an analog watch. This is also against the rules)! What shoddy organization - hope this was not the Blitz WC!! All in all, Fedoseev was the true gentleman here. I would have paused the clock, plain and simple, and not played - after Neimann pressed the clock prematurely to start the game. But it is understandable he did not make a big fuss - some events have multiple rounds a day. He was being more than generous with his opponent still, and if he had lost - he had all rights to a full point - since there was _a case to be made against the arbiter/announcer and Niemann_ ! Edit 3: I see why I am suddenly getting upvotes 🙂. I have no ill-feelings towards Niemann, but he was clearly in the wrong here. For the record, I would like to wish him all the best in his career; I would like to state that I do not know if he has ever "cheated" in OTB play - I would not put this particular one down as "cheating". The 3 mistakes Niemann made are considered Fair Play (FPL) Violations - something that is liable for penalization - usually with time odds in favor of the opponent! [A _second_ illegal move by Niemann would have led to a forfeit I think]. I do hope this is the one time he _made an illegal move_ , wore a watch, _and_ started a game prematurely - and *trust he would read both the relevant tournament rule book and the FIDE laws of chess* more carefully before he plays in any tournament! [It is unclear how the situation with the announcer/arbiter "interruption" would have been handled - that would I think be dealt with by the Appeals Committee (thankfully Fedoseev won!) - this is arguably much more serious - FIDE should look at such things.]
@@michamotyka648 Fedoseev did not cheat. He did not move his hand away from the bishop until he put it on the b5 square. It was a perfect legal move as per FIDE chess rules. But Niemann's castling move was against FIDE rules which Fedoseev generously allowed.
Niemann done the castling with touching rook first and fedoseev see it still he didn't complain , nice gesture.(even at that level) ,it can be the difference in winning or losing .
Looooooool, what are talking about man? Нe let go of the bishop on c4, and then put it on b5, castling from the rook was just a response to his foppishness
@@AnTonello_Acciaiuoli that is totally legal. The only catch is that you have to move the same piece which you touched first. Doesn't matter if you move it first to c4 then to b5 you can do that before pressing the clock.
To clarify things. Fedoseev released the bishop in move 3 for a fraction of a second. If Nieamann wanted he could pause the clock, call the arbitrer and demand 3. Bc4 instead of 3. Bb5. It would not be a big deal. On his seventh move Niemann grabs the rook and then the king to castle in a peculiar and illegal way. Castle is considered a move of the king not a move of the rook. If Fedoseev wanted he could pause the clock, call the arbitrer and demand the rook to be played, i.e. 7..... Rg8 or 7..... Rf8 which were the only moves for the rook. This would probably would be a disaster for Niemann's game. One more comment is that Niemman is wearing a watch during the game something that is not allowed in important FIDE tournaments the last two years.
Even if he narrowly lost here, you can see what a creative player Hans Niemann is. How he got out of the noose mid-game and almost won. So he is also stirring up the world elite now.
Strong Korchnoi vibes by Niemann with those glasses, and by making Fedoseev pay for his Bc4-Bb5 prank at the beginning with a magic cubist castle. Cool trolling! 🤣
@@otaviolimirio1 imagine getting your panties in a twist over something that has the same outcome anyway. You just want to find SOMETHING on him don't you, no matter what it is?
Pretty impressive defense by Hans with the Queen exchange sack when his King was wide open. I think he might have been able to turn it around but for the time trouble.
@@befosocial I've seen a few of Hans's games. I don't think he cheats OTB. There's still no evidence to support the allegation he cheated against Magnus . . . .
@@scythermantisit was impressive. Idk why ppl hate on this dude so much. Its like ppl didnt even watch that magnus match. He’s a good player and whooped the golden boy.
That's not breaking the rules, it's perfectly legal following the touch move rule. If you touch a piece, you have to move that piece. He touched the bishop on f1 meaning he could move to e2, d3, c4, b5, or a6.
@@Gooodmorningdog No - at least not in Fide Touch-move rule, not sure what about Sheikh tournament :) "A player having the move who deliberately touches one or more of that player's pieces must move the first touched piece that can be legally moved. So long as the >>>>> hand has not left the piece on a new square
@@getgmrn he did let it go - its seen on video. he only did not push the clock. Fide rules do not allow that! There is important lesson to learn from this important movie: "Ajedrez: incidente entre Judit Polgar y Garry Kasparov en Linares (1994)"
Only recently heard of Niemann and the first 2 games I watch of his he loses. This game was so tactical it gave me a headache. That Bishop, Queen, Knight Fork and discovered attack. The white bishop sac early, talk about fireworks.
Technically that should be a foul move. Imagine a scenario where someone at first, intending to move the rook itself (not castling move) touches it. Then at the last moment catches some flaw and decides to castle instead. In any other scenario touch move would apply and he would have to move the piece that he touched. So there is ambiguity if this way of castling is allowed. So the castling should only be allowed by first touching the king. Yes, one may argue that same touch ambiguity may apply to the king move. But that is an unavoidable one. One has to touch something. Allowing both ways is one too many.
I tried to look this game up but I could not find it. The two games that these fellows played in that particular tournament do not match the game played on this video.
Con todo, la defensa que hace al final con solo 4 segundos es de admirar (y entiendo que en tan poco tiempo es imposible estar gambleando). Si finalmente se confirma que ha hecho trampa será una lástima, porque ensombrará un gran jugador. Quizás no un primer élite, pero sí un gran jugador.
The funny thing is, that at times of a pandemic a Grandmaster is apparently able of not knowing over the board chess rules. This castling was definately no revenge to whites dubious Bb5 move. Niemanns confused look shows, that he has no clue, why his opponent smiles and points at the kings side.
Being a grandmaster and not knowing you touched the wrong piece in a castling, LOL even an amateur can feel the difference. 😅 I assume you don't play chess regularly.
Since it is Chess Base India channel, I have to give credits to your youngsters and their attitude in OTB (even online, I play with Nihal occasionally). Arjun, Nihal, Vidit, Aravindh - all extremely polite and great sportsman. You won’t see such cockiness and disrespectfulness from neither of them as you may witness in this game by both of the players (as already mentioned Bc4 drop and wrong 0-0). Also, putting pieces back to their original squares after the game is one of the first things you learn in a chess school. Should I even mention Hans pure stupid looking red Lennon glasses? His attitute towards the Botez sisters in Dubai tells me he has 0 respect towards fellow chess workers and therefore, does not deserve a bit of my appreciation as a person. Kiddo’s gotta learn a life lesson. PS: Great work you do there CB India filming and uploading all this great stuff! Keep it up.
Well, that was a weird way to play the Spanish, since Fedoseev actually released the Bishop on c4 first. So, yeah, one should move the king two squares before touching the rook, but it's really the intention that counts, and at different levels, between different types of players, and in different time controls, a player's intention can sometimes be deduced from the way they make the move.
me cae muy bien que nieman al comienzo de la partida no reclamo el alfil ya puesto en c4 y que luego cambio en b5 el contrincante 👍 luego se vengo con el enroque 🤣
The castling speaks for itself
LOL
BBajajajjaa
@@nicbentulan thats illegal as well right?
@@nicbentulan If you touch a piece you must move that piece. But as long as you didn't hit the clock to end your turn you can reposition that piese how many times you want
@@meciocio No
If you touch the rook, you are supposed to move it according to the rules - not castle. This technically is a "touch move claim" - I think his opponent alluded to that.
Edit: I have seen the video more carefully. Fedoseev was 'distracted' by (I think the arbiter) 'announcing' start of the round when he played the bishop move - and hence I think the fault is with the arbiter/announcer for doing that. Fedoseev had to play because his time was running. In this scenario, I would not fault Fedoseev for the (admittedly) illegal move of the bishop to b5 rather than c4. Niemann also _likely_ started the clock _before_ he was supposed to. Arbiters did not catch it - and that is also a fault of the arbiters!
Edit 2: Wearing a watch is also definitely banned in most serious (certainly FIDE-sanctioned) events (even though it was an analog watch. This is also against the rules)! What shoddy organization - hope this was not the Blitz WC!!
All in all, Fedoseev was the true gentleman here. I would have paused the clock, plain and simple, and not played - after Neimann pressed the clock prematurely to start the game. But it is understandable he did not make a big fuss - some events have multiple rounds a day. He was being more than generous with his opponent still, and if he had lost - he had all rights to a full point - since there was _a case to be made against the arbiter/announcer and Niemann_ !
Edit 3: I see why I am suddenly getting upvotes 🙂. I have no ill-feelings towards Niemann, but he was clearly in the wrong here. For the record, I would like to wish him all the best in his career; I would like to state that I do not know if he has ever "cheated" in OTB play - I would not put this particular one down as "cheating". The 3 mistakes Niemann made are considered Fair Play (FPL) Violations - something that is liable for penalization - usually with time odds in favor of the opponent! [A _second_ illegal move by Niemann would have led to a forfeit I think]. I do hope this is the one time he _made an illegal move_ , wore a watch, _and_ started a game prematurely - and *trust he would read both the relevant tournament rule book and the FIDE laws of chess* more carefully before he plays in any tournament!
[It is unclear how the situation with the announcer/arbiter "interruption" would have been handled - that would I think be dealt with by the Appeals Committee (thankfully Fedoseev won!) - this is arguably much more serious - FIDE should look at such things.]
he did it because fedoseev also cheated. If you play in slowmo bigfish actually put his bishop on c4 but very quickly changed to b5.
@@michamotyka648 Fedoseev did not cheat. He did not move his hand away from the bishop until he put it on the b5 square. It was a perfect legal move as per FIDE chess rules. But Niemann's castling move was against FIDE rules which Fedoseev generously allowed.
So idea, change the rule? why keep it?
@@desingrajan8311 He let go of the bishop, ok check it out.
@@michamotyka648 good catch!
This Nieman guy is a character
Your comment sir aged so well.
@@Recklessbanana It definitely does haha
@@Recklessbanana like fine wine
Ah yes the Castling opening, Karpov variation. Very rarely played yet proven to be lethal for the opposing side.
0:18 The Niemann version of castling.
Every Hans Niemann games are coming under suggestions 😂
Such a gentleman fedoseev!!
He could call the arbiter but he won fare and square!!
Fedoseev could have called the arbiter because he himself made an illegal move Bc4 to Bb5.
@@milankotevski1663 he was still holding the bishop
@@samimassoud4807 no, look again in slow motion.
@@milankotevski1663 whatever hans touching the rook first is a whole other thing
@@samimassoud4807 it was Hans' opponent who touched the bishop first.
The John Lennon glasses 🤣
Niemann done the castling with touching rook first and fedoseev see it still he didn't complain , nice gesture.(even at that level) ,it can be the difference in winning or losing .
Looooooool, what are talking about man? Нe let go of the bishop on c4, and then put it on b5, castling from the rook was just a response to his foppishness
@@AnTonello_Acciaiuoli that is totally legal. The only catch is that you have to move the same piece which you touched first. Doesn't matter if you move it first to c4 then to b5 you can do that before pressing the clock.
@@utkarshshah3617 No, if you let go of the piece, what Fedoseev did, then you've finished your move.
@@d0wnpour oh. I didn't knew that
@@d0wnpour True
To clarify things. Fedoseev released the bishop in move 3 for a fraction of a second. If Nieamann wanted he could pause the clock, call the arbitrer and demand 3. Bc4 instead of 3. Bb5. It would not be a big deal. On his seventh move Niemann grabs the rook and then the king to castle in a peculiar and illegal way. Castle is considered a move of the king not a move of the rook. If Fedoseev wanted he could pause the clock, call the arbitrer and demand the rook to be played, i.e. 7..... Rg8 or 7..... Rf8 which were the only moves for the rook. This would probably would be a disaster for Niemann's game.
One more comment is that Niemman is wearing a watch during the game something that is not allowed in important FIDE tournaments the last two years.
Exactly, I saw that too... It was also "half legal"
Why is a watch not allowed? lol
fedoseev's bc4 to b5 and hans's castle were the highlights!
ya he took revenge
Not clear if Fedosev release the Bishop at c4 before finally bringing it to b5. The rook first castling by Nieman is illegal also.
@@iftikharali3864 lol
@@gazynx6312 Slow-mo confirms it
In blitz you are allowed to let go of a piece and move it again before touching the clock.
I was trying to remember how I used to castle. Then I was trying to remember when was the last time I played OTB.
Even if he narrowly lost here, you can see what a creative player Hans Niemann is. How he got out of the noose mid-game and almost won. So he is also stirring up the world elite now.
Can you see the board clearly with those sunglasses? 😂
0:18 is the moment
A GM that doesn't know how to castle. This Hans Niemann is a very special kind of genius.
If you are more aware of your glasses and your hair, and your rivel is Fedoseev, you end up crushed.
Strong Korchnoi vibes by Niemann with those glasses, and by making Fedoseev pay for his Bc4-Bb5 prank at the beginning with a magic cubist castle. Cool trolling! 🤣
That bishop sac on h6 was impressive!
it was more to make Hans to think more time and gain time advantage
Nieman was being a prima donna at the beginning, until fedo sack his bishop on h6
Pretty exciting game. Black seemed to be dead in the water so many times but nevertheless, he managed to create some counter play.
The Queen sacrifice by hans is beautiful.
ikr
Hans looks straight out of a 70s mob movie, now that's what I expect an American chess player to look like.
His style is aggressive. He is not afraid. .
0:17 The Ninja Castle 🤣
Castle is King Move not a Rook move , so you need to touch the King first , tehnically it was a illegal move
8:11 who tf is summoning a demon in the middle of a chess tournament
Honestly the way he castles was so much cooler than the regular way hahaha or is it just me
It's not even a castle, it's an illegal move. Castles should be done by touching the king first.
Hans makes his own rules
It's his world, we just live in it
@@otaviolimirio1 imagine getting your panties in a twist over something that has the same outcome anyway. You just want to find SOMETHING on him don't you, no matter what it is?
Just you. Hancels are delusional.
Pretty impressive defense by Hans with the Queen exchange sack when his King was wide open. I think he might have been able to turn it around but for the time trouble.
Thought the same, seeing something like this in time trouble is impressive and I don't think that he can cheat within such a limited time frame.
lmao give it a rest
@@befosocial I've seen a few of Hans's games. I don't think he cheats OTB. There's still no evidence to support the allegation he cheated against Magnus . . . .
@@scythermantisit was impressive. Idk why ppl hate on this dude so much. Its like ppl didnt even watch that magnus match. He’s a good player and whooped the golden boy.
Was he hiding an engine on those orange glasses?
3:40 "I'm not sure of this move... let's activate the engine in my glasses to see the analysis" :P
@@nicbentulan exactly! :D
doubt he cheated since he lost lmao but funny comment
0:18 Hnas wrong castle loool
Can we have the board on the side please, it's really difficult to visualise everything from the side angle
This is how he gets into your head 👀
Fedoseev also broke the rules, at 0:08 - left the bishop at C4 and later put it on B5
That's not breaking the rules, it's perfectly legal following the touch move rule. If you touch a piece, you have to move that piece. He touched the bishop on f1 meaning he could move to e2, d3, c4, b5, or a6.
@@Gooodmorningdog No - at least not in Fide Touch-move rule, not sure what about Sheikh tournament :) "A player having the move who deliberately touches one or more of that player's pieces must move the first touched piece that can be legally moved. So long as the >>>>> hand has not left the piece on a new square
he didn't let go of it, he kept his hand on it which you are allowed to do, he only touched it did not let go
@@getgmrn he did let it go - its seen on video. he only did not push the clock. Fide rules do not allow that! There is important lesson to learn from this important movie: "Ajedrez: incidente entre Judit Polgar y Garry Kasparov en Linares (1994)"
Aren't wrist watches banned in rated tournaments?
Weird castle! Fedoseev pointing his finger.nothing he can do but to smile 😁
Castling speaks for itself
The castling is illegal tho🤣
I'm missing something....why at 6:19 Fedoseev didn't go for Qh7#?
discovered check from bishop
Oh God you're right! Thanks!
Only recently heard of Niemann and the first 2 games I watch of his he loses. This game was so tactical it gave me a headache. That Bishop, Queen, Knight Fork and discovered attack. The white bishop sac early, talk about fireworks.
It's a purely psychological move guys
the moment this sank in 😂😂😂
It's a dumb rule. Glad to see Fedoseev laughing it off.
Hi. Why is it a dumb rule?
I'm sorry if I'm wrong but is it allowed to wear watch?
So he playes his whole life playing chess, traveling, playing in tournaments and then he makes a rookie mistake?? WTF??? How?
Once a rookie always a rookie...😗
It was not a mistake. It is cheating, and neimann did it deliberately.
Niemann the champ how interesting his games are lot of aggressive moves
wow Fedoseev blundered at 6:11 with 2 mins on the clock!
5:16 #SigmaRule15 open your opponent's sunglasses
At 5:25, why does it look like the squares on the board change... the stroke around the dark squares disappears and then comes back??
Fedoseev almost ruined a nice attacking game with Kh1 after ...Nf3+, nice defensive resource by Hans. Kudos to both players
I don't get it; what was the reply to gxf3?
@@octavia2 I don't get it either, if Black plays Qg7, White exchanges queens and takes the rook on e8; and there's Qh6 threat as well.
Came here after Carlsen Nieman controversy
That was an improper move. Can’t touch the rook first by rules. But opponent didn’t contest.
Casteling is a Kings Move.
Casteling is not an word in the English language.
The glasses speak for themselves
¿Un gran maestro se enroca tocando la torre primero?
HE TOOK HIS HAND OFF 00:08
will vishy try for candidates in future ?
No
Never
He will get crushed like kasparov
@@ggsinkon2834 kasparov won't play candidates lol
NO
Quando si decide di arroccare (0-0 / 0-0-0) si deve muovere prima il Re, poi la Torre.
Technically that should be a foul move. Imagine a scenario where someone at first, intending to move the rook itself (not castling move) touches it. Then at the last moment catches some flaw and decides to castle instead. In any other scenario touch move would apply and he would have to move the piece that he touched. So there is ambiguity if this way of castling is allowed. So the castling should only be allowed by first touching the king. Yes, one may argue that same touch ambiguity may apply to the king move. But that is an unavoidable one. One has to touch something. Allowing both ways is one too many.
i guess you didn't catch the illegal move of the other guy.
Fedoseev has no right to smile because he left the bishop on 3rd move and re-adjusted long before Hans castled 😀😀
lmao this niemann almost miss to hit the clock 😅😂
I tried to look this game up but I could not find it. The two games that these fellows played in that particular tournament do not match the game played on this video.
tevhnically Fedoseev could've claimed touch move and Hans would be forced to move hihs rook, but they had a good laugh
Fedoseev also made an illegal move bc4 to bb5
He played Bc4 then corrected it to Bb5 and Hans didn't say anything. Then Hans played it off by showing a cool way to castle
it's like he captures his own king with the rook and then moves both one square to the side XD
Hahaha he forgot his sunglasses
shady looking glasses
I think Hans did pretty good towards the end considering how little time he had left though obviously you have to be good at this level.
Con todo, la defensa que hace al final con solo 4 segundos es de admirar (y entiendo que en tan poco tiempo es imposible estar gambleando).
Si finalmente se confirma que ha hecho trampa será una lástima, porque ensombrará un gran jugador. Quizás no un primer élite, pero sí un gran jugador.
Tiene como 19 o 20 años. Aún está por consolidar su potencial
Weird way to castle for black. Hikaru did that once and got called out on it.
The Hikaru thing was a little bit different, he castled using both hands
Who win?
The Castle castles for itself.
People, COME ON, they are ELITE players, they are not going to complain because of jokes like this, cmon!
This guy has changed after he got rejected by Anna Cramling
Qh3 made my day😊😊
Ppl don’t understand Niemann did it because of Fedoseev’s touch move irregularity on move 3 with the bishop
Korchnoi also used to rock shaded glasses against Karpov
Hans Come On!🔥🔥🔥
Taking off sunglasses is funny af
Online players: why?! whats wrong? 🤣
The fact that he didn't show to be aware of the mistake...
Wasn’t there checkmate in 1 at the end for white 6:19
hes in check
First the King them the rook. But Niemann has his own rules....
crazyness speaks for it self!!
he could have protested against that castling but I guess the game goes first
"why is he so smart" -guy
Hns trying to look cool with shades and Fedoseev made him remove that by destroying his ass 😂🤣
The funny thing is, that at times of a pandemic a Grandmaster is apparently able of not knowing over the board chess rules. This castling was definately no revenge to whites dubious Bb5 move. Niemanns confused look shows, that he has no clue, why his opponent smiles and points at the kings side.
Then there is adjusting the bishop at 7:40...
Being a grandmaster and not knowing you touched the wrong piece in a castling, LOL even an amateur can feel the difference. 😅
I assume you don't play chess regularly.
imagine if he took off his glasses from the beginning
Since it is Chess Base India channel, I have to give credits to your youngsters and their attitude in OTB (even online, I play with Nihal occasionally). Arjun, Nihal, Vidit, Aravindh - all extremely polite and great sportsman. You won’t see such cockiness and disrespectfulness from neither of them as you may witness in this game by both of the players (as already mentioned Bc4 drop and wrong 0-0). Also, putting pieces back to their original squares after the game is one of the first things you learn in a chess school. Should I even mention Hans pure stupid looking red Lennon glasses? His attitute towards the Botez sisters in Dubai tells me he has 0 respect towards fellow chess workers and therefore, does not deserve a bit of my appreciation as a person. Kiddo’s gotta learn a life lesson. PS: Great work you do there CB India filming and uploading all this great stuff! Keep it up.
these guys don't go to "chess school". they just play chess. it is only indians that take chess so seriously, maybe lighten up a bit?
Lmfao
He should've touched the King first.
Nice castling technique😂
Awaited moment 0:17
Well, that was a weird way to play the Spanish, since Fedoseev actually released the Bishop on c4 first. So, yeah, one should move the king two squares before touching the rook, but it's really the intention that counts, and at different levels, between different types of players, and in different time controls, a player's intention can sometimes be deduced from the way they make the move.
Those glasses see the future.
i
Illegal move. Castling is a king move, not a rook move.
me cae muy bien que nieman al comienzo de la partida no reclamo el alfil ya puesto en c4 y que luego cambio en b5 el contrincante 👍 luego se vengo con el enroque 🤣
jajaja buena observacion
Jajajajajajajaj
Who won and how
He looks like Aniken turning into the dark side.
everyone is talking about how bigfish could have called the arbiter.. I guess im the only one imagining how twitch chat would react to this