Jon Stewart Gives Reality Check to Comedians Complaining About Wokeness
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2024
- ‘Daily Show’ host Jon Stewart pushed back against hysteria over “woke s**t” by other comedians who claim comedy is being stifled by woke people getting offended by everything. He goes on to explain that, as a comedian himself, he can still say basically everything he wants to say, and added that he’s “tired” of anti-woke people’s hysteria over everything.
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Whenever someone starts talking about "woke" as a pejorative, my eyes glaze over.
I know they've just confirmed for me that their intellect is (pinching cat hair) thiiiis big and nothing they are ever going to say in their entire existence will be even remotely interesting to me.
Tsun Tzu are of war. Listen to your enemy so that you know what they want. Know your enemy know yourself and you need not fear 100 battles.
If I see woke in a UA-cam title I will right click and automatically click do not recommend. If no one can define “woke” then I know their an idiot for using a word with no definition.
I've been saying that anyone using that word in this respect should be ignored and considered a fool. Said the same thing about people who used the term "SJW" in this way.
I think what makes Jon Stewart so great is he still thinks about what George Carlin would say George Carlin is who all these people looked up to and he never punched down he always made a habit to punch up Jon Stewart is Our Last Remnant of Carlin
"I'm being silenced!" The comedian screamed into his microphone on a multimillion dollar comedy special about all their tweets lol
THIS! I’m getting so sick of seeing people all over social media complaining that they’re being “cancelled”. Erm, if I can see your fascist whining on MY social media, then you’re not being cancelled. Calm down.
Just because people don’t think someone is funny doesn’t mean they’ve been cancelled, they’re just shit. It’s just that, now, they know that people think they’re shit because they see it…on social media.
@@therealjetlag it's also always the same people who are screaming about how "no one can take a joke. Everyone's so sensitive, you can't say anything anymore. Jeez, relax snowflake" then they fly into a rage and spin around on the floor crying if a single person doesn't call them a super smart funny good boy🙃
“Anti-woke” means you’ve ran out of material and admitting you’re losing relevancy.
100%, not just in comedy performance but in life for all of us
Yeah, but comedy is a tough game, as is much of entertainment. Nowhere yesterday, here today as a big-time star, gone tomorrow. An entertainer can lose it overnight, and never know or understand why.
@@RJH1971this also should apply to anyone who complains about censorship and government/ corporate overreach.
They are just irrelevant and probably bigoted.
"Woke":
- you said something I don't like
- you said something I disagree with
- you called me out for being an a--hole
- you called me out for not being very good at what I do
- you called me out for saying something dumb
Seinfeld had been doing this same "young people bad" routine through at least two totally different generations of young people
How old is his girlfriend again?
That's interesting. I haven't followed Seinfeld in about 20 years. I enjoyed his comedy in the 90s. But if he thinks "New Rules" is funny, he's lost his way. I stopped watching Maher because he pontificates like some moralist. It's not funny, & he comes across as smug & self-righteous.
Seinfeld hasn't written any new material since he and Larry pitched the show
@@B-MC I was about to say, Jerry seems to have a love for the younger generations.
@@1monkiNot love, just lust.
Without :Larry David, Jerry has nothing.
The : bothers me
He wasn’t even the best actor on that show that’s more Jason Alexander and Kevin Micheal richards (even if he has a really bad temper and a little bit of a jerk).
Seriously, he was the guy on the show who specifically was not funny at all. All the other characters made that show what it was.
And Jerry's character on the show was a jerk setting up his friends, trying to make their quirky way , while he is cast as a comedian who didn't have challenges with money or paramours. He was the straight man. That's why Kelsey got all the Emmy's.
Absolutely 100%
There's a simple rule that comedians have always followed: *DON'T PUNCH DOWN.* Bitching about "wokeness" is punching down.
Agree, and adding: My dad taught us "Don't lie, cheat, steal, or hit girls". While simplistic, the "hit girls" part was never punch down in other words. It's a valid and sweeping generalization, and a damn solid rule.
@@gregtheegg3576in today's trans inclusive woke world we should probably just not hit people in general. :D
Bitching about woke is just the truth. The truth isn't Punching down. Woke sucks. Woke is totalitarian and censorship and group think.
How can complaining about wokeness be punching down?
Wokeness IS the establishment now. Literally every single late night show is woke. That is every single network. Every single college campus (see the upper crust) is woke.
You know who is not woke? The dirt POOR people that support Donald Trump.
How are you fucks this unaware of the modern reality?
Facts
They think they're entitled to laughs.
A comedian who thinks they're entitled to laughs needs to find a new profession.
Reactionary right wing podcaster?
I promise you Bill Hicks and George Carlin never would have whined about “wokeness”, they would just have to continued to kick ass.
George Carlin actually did complain about wokeness. It was called PC culture back then. But he bitched about it.
@@someperson9999yeah haha George Carlin shit on liberals with their PC culture. But he also Shit on Conservatives and their cultural norms.
Good guy.
@@someperson9999 The man was an actual intellectual, unlike Seinfeld he had a point to make then, and it stands now
He was also an avid defender of minorities and poor people. Meaning the "pc" shit he was talking about were things like drugs, sex, blasphemy, vulgarity etc. being off limits. He wasn't complaining because he couldn't use the "F word" without criticism.
Pretty stark difference.
@@futurestoryteller George Carlin was not an intellectual. He was a performer. He was not a scholar, an acedemic, a political scientist, nothing. I've read his books, they're not the works of any type of intellectual.
Katt Williams said the EXACT same thing 5 years ago. He said that if you're complaining that you can't say anything anymore, then you were probably never a good comedian in the first place.
That is what they said to Yackov Smearnov… in Russia.
Kat Williams be hustling hustling hustling
everyday he is hustling
everyday he is hustling
everyday everyday
(hope a few people get the joke)
He also said it in his viral, long assed interview with Shannon Sharp. There are always certain words you can't say on stage and those words change over time. Just get over it and write better material that's not TOO offensive.
And now has moved onto the shtick about the massive pervert mafia in Hollywood? That pays better, and get a lot less criticism. And gets him some friends on the right side of the political spectrum.
And Katt Williams is funny..
Exactly. When people say "you can't say anything anymore" I ask them "what things do you want to say that you can't say anymore". And they can never give me a proper answer.
Well Jerry seems to be upset that he can't get laughs out of someone being gay from young audiences anymore.
Where as his older audiences who pay and drive to his gigs, lap that shit up.
it's usually something borderline racist, sexist, ableist or homophobic - what they hate is that younger audiences just think "yuck!" when old white dudes say that sh!t.
That's a perfect question to ask....and not surprising they couldn't give a proper answer!
It's right up there with "this kind of comedy can't be made today" or "you can't make music like that today". Its the same tired excuse that people put themselves into their own bubble and don't WANT to leave. They don't want to experience new things, so they close themselves off to something new. Then they become Seinfeld and Mahr saying crap like "back in MY day"... pathetic.
@@novocode And of course your kind of comedy will never be looked down upon as retrograde, racist, sexist, out of touch etc. by subsequent generations, will it?....because you people are the moral paragons for now and for evermore, aren't you? SMDH......
Jon Stewart continues to be solid as hell. Not perfect, nobody is, but he brings a hell of a lot more good than bad.
Watching Bill Mahr and Seinfeld stroke each other's fragile, engorged egos is nauseating. These poor pitiful, rich, entitled, unfunny has-beens are pathetic. I remember when comedians like George Carlin were funny and spoke truth to power instead of lecturing the little people for not laughing at their material.
100% John is following in that same path as Carlin, he speaks truth to power and does so in comedic ways, which is why he's so well liked, just like Carlin was and still is even after he's long since passed.
Carlin was both woke and anti-woke at the same time, sometimes in the same sentence. That's why he's the GOAT of GOATs.
Jerry Seinfeld complaining about people complaining ruining comedy is peak irony coming from a guy whose stand-up bread and butter was the, "what's the deal with... " observational comedy - that's just a litany of complaints.
"I mean... _what's the deal with all that???"_
Oh goodness, now everybody has to laugh and give me ten seasons of my own show at a million bucks an episode. I'm clearly a once in a generation comedic genius.
@@bob7975 "anti-woke" in his hey day was largely being anti religious. It wasn't like it is now where it's largely just code for "I want to hate on non whites and gay folks without social consequences."
AKA: they want to return to when it was normalized to hate these groups and not get hate in return.
@@MarcillaSmith "What's the deal with airline food?"
You nailed it, that's largely what I've seen of his routine it's lazy observations.
*_"Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong." - Principal Skinner_*
lol isn't that what the principal from Breakfast Club also said
That's who these anti woke ppl are lol
Nice deep pull on that quote! 😁
"I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!"
No Grandpa Seinfeld; you were never with it... Larry David was, and still is, and was talented enough to write you & your personality as funny & entertaining (when your dry, hollow carcass was being carried by Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, Jason Alexander & Michael Racist)
Back when The Simpsons was funny. Now it's garbage. That should tell you something.
Probably two decades ago now, I remembered hearing a joke about how expensive movie snacks were. Something about how now they want you to throw away your own trash, but after the price you paid, you want to just drop it on the floor. I couldn't remember who told that joke.
That is, until around five years ago. Jerry Seinfeld was performing live in my hometown. He told that joke. He had been telling that _same_ joke for literal decades. When he's upset about having to retire material, that's why. He hasn't written anything new for maybe 30 years.
You know, thinking about it, the movie snack joke makes a lot of sense now. It speaks to his total lack of empathy. "I want to make the clean up crew suffer because management charged me too much for popcorn." He can't make the connection. People started complaining this much coincidentally at the same time as the rise of social media? Have comedians considered that 1) you couldn't hear about people's complaints until people had a place to air those complaints, and 2) many people are actually empathic when they realize that some of the jokes that used to be funny turn out to be hurtful to others.
Apparently, Jerry is cheap, a slob, and doesn't know about cable or streaming services, either. 😆😄😂😅🤣
Left wing comedy tends to be either self-deprecating, self-mocking or punching up. Right-wing comedy is all about punching down, which is why it's not funny to anyone who isn't an asshole. :D
That's fartsniffing nonsense.
Facts!
@@RickJaegeris it? Then why are you mad bruh?
@@AG-iu9lv Fartsniffing is a maddening habit to witness. You'd know if you ever honestly saw one.
@@RickJaeger "Source: I made it the fuck up"
Good comedians adapt. Bad comedians don't and complain.
Good comedians make fun of the woke and anti-woke phenomena, they don't whine and cry about it
It's really as simple as that.
@@Songfugel: "bOtH sIdEs bAd!" Why yes, I did watch that episode of South Park with the Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich!
Or they become “right wing” comedians; see Dennis Miller, Gutfeld and Schneider.
@@Songfugel First they need an actual definition of woke, cos it doesn't mean what the dictionary says it means anymore
George Carlin has been dead more than 15 years and he is still more relevant than Seinfeld and Marr ever were.
When they complain about not being allowed to make jokes anymore, what they really mean is that it's become less acceptable to punch down. They liked making fun of people who coulden't fight back.
“YOU MUST LAUGH AT MY JOKES!”- “participation medals for everyone” comedians
They quite literally feel entitled to laughter. And they complain about young folk being entitled. "You _owe_ me positive, spontaneous emotion!" So oblivious.
Participation trophies are all conservatives are about after all.
Sounds like Cartman
It's crazy too how during Mahr's show, when he tells a joke that doesn't get a laugh, or worse, gets groans, he stops what he's doing to berate his audience for it. He's such a loser.
😂
Blaming the audience is the go to for all hacks, comedians, politicians, actors, preachers, journalists...
Tim Heidecker does a parody of ex comedians, or whatever you want to call then I'm not sure if most of these people ever qualified as comedians, but it's incredibly accurate. If you can bear the cringe.
Excellent point
Exactly! It’s all our fault!
well the fact is there is no audience no one is watching 75% of the shows being made.
And former presidents...
Seinfeld is the most absurd person to complain, due to his work being so pedestrian and unremarkable.
Yeah it's kind of sad.. he has absolutely no skin in the game and could have just kept his dumb trap shut.
I still like Jerry and respect his contribution, but I've lost a lot of respect for the man, and I'm sure many others have too.
Just to add, John Cleese has gone down the same road and it's seriously disappointing
Comedians complaining about how people don't laugh at their jokes is pretty similar to politicians complaining that people don't vote for them
....and nobody wants to hear rich people complain about ANYTHING at this point....✅🎯💯
But my yacht ⛵ needs a new support yacht ⛵ from overseas......
@@clenke0 🥚🍳EGGZACTLY🥚🍳
@@clenke0 And I need more groupies! Cis ones!!
Right? Just be a good consumer and blame those with no power for ruining everything for the people who have all the power. Status Quo.
They can complain about rich people and work for me even tax pressure.
Seinfeld is a comedian? I thought comedians are supposed to be funny.
If someone isn't writing his lines, Jerry isn't capable of being funny.
Same with Bill Maher. Shit is played out
Agreed. Bits about peanuts on airplanes don’t cut it for me.
No, classic misunderstanding. Comedians are supposed to whine and cry about the fact that you can't say anything anymore, before and after not saying anything controversial, interesting, insightful, let alone funny for decades.
Stewart is state run comedy
I legit saw Fox News post the “I’ve lost 2 words in 35 years” quote like Jon Stewart was attacking “woke” people
When comedians whine about wokeness and "cancel culture", i refer them to Lenny Bruce, who regularly went to ACTUAL JAIL. There's not a single thing that you can go to jail for saying in a comedy show.
I'm old and Seinfeld was never funny, nor was he current.
Jason Alexander and Julia Louis-Dreyfus carried that whole show and have both been working ever since.
Absolutely! He's never been anything but a shallow observational comedian who doesn't know how to observe or be very funny. There's no depth to his humor. Bill Mahr just thinks he's funny & edgy but he's really just an ass. John Stewart is thoughtful, uses critical thinking and understands how the world works at several levels. He's still relevant because he's still sharp and he works at making his comedy meaningful. Plus, he's just a damn funny guy.
That is soooooo true. I watch Seinfelf reruns all the time and if George and Elaine weren't on there, the show would have been cancelled the first season. Same with the Office. I love Steve Carrell, but there is no Office without Dwight.
I gave it a chance and watched it and I was like wtf is this? Why do people like this? And how the fuck do some these millenials like it? Because it was the only one on one time they had with their grandma or parents?..
@@peral341 ironically, Rainn Wilson seems to have many bad political takes, and he's active in Hollywood.
He's still pretty funny.
Wayne Knight and Michael Richards too. Jerry was so boring.
Really glad to hear a comedian take on this issue. If you can't make jokes that aren't at the expense of minorities then you're not a comedian, you're a bully. Terry pratchet was spot on.
Spot on!
Pratchet is one of the great authors, like Carlin is one of the great comedians.
Yup! 💯
Pratchett was the GOAT.
If you have to make jokes at the expense of ANYONE then you aren't a comedian.
“Woke” is only a problem if your comedy is based around boring, old stereotypes.
Seinfeld: "TV comedy is dead!"
Me watching Seth Meyers, Colbert, John Stewart and others every day: "Since when?!"
The best was when he was complaining, asking if a show today could do a bit about homeless people pulling rickshaws. Always Sunny responded with "Probably" and a pic of Cricket.
Nothing worse than old farts complaining that the old days were better
As an old fart myself, l can’t agree with you more.
I think it's inarguable that the old days were better by many metrics. Job security, wages, life satisfaction, lower levels of mental health issues (even taking into consideration worse screening).
That's not to say many things haven't improved. Social equality, technology, life expectancy, access to information, etc.
I don't know, I still have hope for the future but even as a relatively young person I still get a strong sense that we're going down a very troubling path.
I have begun to grasp why "may you live in interesting times" is a curse and not a blessing over the past 5 years or so.
In some ways the old days were better, as another commenter said. That doesn’t mean Seinfeld was ever funny. Larry David was/is, but not JS.
@@blindmown Pre Nixon and Pre Reagan were the best years minus all the bigotry and racism. mostly under FDR.
That would be Dana Garvey doing 'Grumpy Old Man'
The way Seinfeld and other comedians complain about "wokeness" and cancel culture reminds me of that cancel club scene in Atlanta, when Liam Neeson says:
"I learned that the best and worst part of being white is that we don’t have to learn anything if we don’t want to."
And then there was George Carlin who was woke before woke. He didn't have any trouble entertaining. Of course he wasn't an idiot.
It's odd that they took a well meaning word and tried to turn it into an accusation? They'll insist that the definition has changed, it hasn't. These are same people that'll tell you that being accused prejudice doesn't mean anything anymore, it does, they're just shameless.
I'm a 90s kid.
In my country we had two sit-coms and what made those two funny was the sheer ridiculousness of the characters and their behavior.
Comedians who complain about wokeness are simply not funny.
people that refuse to grow and change with the times, same as those that think peaking in high school and never maturing is how to live life
What country and what sitcoms? I love me some good ridiculousness
You are not the target audience. Their target is boomers that feel offended by absolutely everything.
To you, at least.
@@skrahnha Greece.
The sit coms are called The Penthouse and Constantine's and Helen's, though without subtitles, you won't understand a word.
Calling someone "woke" in this day and age is like calling someone a "pinko" in the 1950's and 60's. It's a meaningless invective, meant to slur a diverse array of ideas and attitudes.
If someone wants to call me 'woke' fine with me... I just say right back "you can stay asleep if you want, but I'm glad I woke up"... don't be a sleepy sheeple!
@@optiskeptic4746 but actually, how is it an insult in any way? I'm just like "bold of you to admit you'd rather be asleep" 🤷♀️
@@amandasunshine2 cuz them calling you "woke" is an ironic designation, much like "Wow, looks like we got an Einstein in here"
They have basically given up on calling people SJWs now.
Woke has no tolerance for diversity of ideas and attitudes. That's why it relies on "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings," and believes in "micro-aggressions." Woke is everything that Orwell, Bradbury, Huxley, and Burgess warned us against.
Jerry Seinfeld, Dennis Miller, Rob Schneider, Roseanne Barr, & Bill Maher should form The Has-been comedy tour. 🧏🏿♂️🙆🏻♀️🤣
can’t forget rob schneider!
Headliner and MC Carlos Mencia will be there!
Don’t forget Kathy Griffin
"Trans people, am I right?" This is the only 'joke' they have now. They are all pathetic grifters whose comedy came from belittling others and punching down because they're all losers. They can laugh at people, they are incapable of laughing with people.
Jim Brewer
Lenny Bruce actually got arrested on obscenity charges for his standup routine. Unless you're Lenny Bruce, "you can't tell jokes anymore, they're censoring humor" just isn't true. You just can't hack it.
George Carlin got busted for obscenity too, if I remember correctly. He and Lenny spoke truth to power.
I'm Gen X. We grew up with Seinfeld. That predator was never funny.
“People aren’t offended. You’re just not funny.”
Exactly! Put that on billboard!
Indeed. I mean, Jerry Seinfeld "self-censored" going for a "clean" routine to maximize profits at the same time that Bob "Full House" Saget made audiences blush with his stand-up.
:) Right up there with "People aren't woke. You're just being offensive on purpose, because it paid off for you in the past."
But the people themselves say they are offended.
@@terri6854 Who are "the people"? And why should anyone care? It's just their opinion. Same as the Kaepernick kneeling, but apparently that offended right-wingers so much they deny him working in football.
Jerry will never be as funny as George Carlin.
I have found my life to be just a tiny bit better once I started pretending Bill Maher no longer exists.
Still watching just pretending right.
@@maxzzyzxx I liberaly apply the ignore button. I'm not a masochist.
@@daveballard8673 so you're saying you side eye it!
Same here! For, at least, 3/4 years now he mentions "woke" ALL THE TIME. I quit watching altogether last year bc I just cldn't take hearing it over and over and over. Who needs that in yr life. Cldn't agree more!
Same. I stopped watching him entirely years ago. Can't stand him. And Bill Mahr has never been funny. Jerry lied straight to his face.
It baffles me that there are still people in this country who think free speech means freedom to speak without consequence. 🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
The irony of two old, rich, lame comedians trying to stay relevant by complaining about people that complain too much
Man, at 5:45 did we stumble into an episode of "The Sammy Maudlin Show" or what?
If Bill doesn't like groomers, why is he talking to Seinfeld?
Straight groomers are fine, I guess. 🤬
And also, actual groomers of course, not those who are called groomers just for existing who aren't going after minors at all.
Because Senfield is straight. Conservatives don’t actually care about predators, they just care about making the lives of anyone not straight hell
Comedic gold right there.
Same tribe.
Even if you set aside the culture war - these Comedians are essentially whining that people dont find their jokes funny.
And it's totally normal that the Zeitgeist is changing. Of course, we're not laughing at the same old shit: It's tired and old.
Humor is culturally dependent. Shakespeare's comedies rely on a cultural milieu that no longer exists. Parts of the schtick of Abbot and Costello or the Three Stooges still work, while other parts are no longer as funny (or are funny in a different way than originally).
Our culture has changed (despite the best efforts of reactionaries to prevent it). Entertainers and politicians can either adapt, or cater to a shrinking audience.
@julietfischer5056 You are correct. Who’s on First still slaps, as does Carlin’s Baseball vs Football. Classics, but not everything does
Dave Chappelle is the biggest comedian in the world right now. His anti-woke material isn't having any problems getting laughs.
Seinfeld shtick is all about the whining.
Whenever someone complains about anything, I ask them to define it.
Tom Tomorrow: My pronouns are "I only know one joke" and "It's about pronouns".
The amount of entitlement from these sorts of people is nuts. They call us entitled and spoiled, yet expect to not have to earn their laughs, their money, their votes.
I think Dave Smith is the only comedian who's actually in politics. I don't think anyone is voting for Jerry Seinfeld.
@@someperson9999 And I’m not talking about exclusively comedians.
I was thinking this as well. These comedians feel the same way about laughs as someone like Hillary Clinton feels about votes.
@@ethanthomas3059 but that's the subject.
@@someperson9999 It's a parallel that Ethan is pointing out. That's something that's allowed to do.
Jon Stewart is still on point
Haha he’s cringe AF
@@JohnnyDelco HE's NEVER been wrong! and for the record trump said it best, GOP voters are naive, dont even try to deny it i seen him say it myself live on MNSBC late June 1991 Regis and Kathee Lee NY NY
Yup. Relevant, funny, AND a good person.
@@JohnnyDelco8 month old troll account is obvious.
@@dynamicworlds1 same boring response from a triggered turd 🤦🏽♂️
Bob Hope had many flaws. But he adapted with the times. When he got complaints that his jokes were offending people, he didn't complain about censorship. He just dropped those subjects from his act and got different jokes. Good practice!
If he did complain about censorship, he probably wouldn’t have lived to 100. Not that I know how many years of your life expectancy complaining takes off
So glad a successful evolved comedian like JS is calling out this nonsense.
Boomer comedians are irrelevant if they're defending the establishment. I am an old radical, leftist, socialist boomer and i think Jerry is constipated.
lol you're the establishment. You turn on the TV and everyone agrees with you and reflects your outlook on society.
@@Luke-id8qlit must be fun being so delusional
@@ranbummerz729Huh? No. 🤣
If the US was socialist, there would at least be universal health care.
@@Luke-id8ql Just because in general the boomer gen in is charge doesn't mean all boomers are like that. Some escaped the boomer brain rot that is pandemic in the boomer gens, and has infected gen X and younger, It's gotten better as the younger you go the more immune to boomer brain rot you get.
@@Luke-id8qlimagine thinking that private, for-profit megacorps who's customers are other private, for-profit megacorps are leftist much less socialist.
Blaming woke is how they cope with not being funny anymore.
Pretty much. They want to keep telling the same old jokes and receive the same response for it every time. Comedy doesn't work that way... life doesn't work that way.
It's how they cope with their inability to adapt to changing times.
@@KingLouisII- Even if the jokes were still funny, they get old after too many retellings. I don't want to see and hear (Celebrity Comedian) make the same jokes: I want them to have new stuff for their shows. If I want to hear nothing but the same old jokes, I'll buy the DVD.
Well, the fact that so many people evidently find something like "Blazing Saddles" offensive these days is definitely a problem, IMO. I feel as though younger people don't understand the concept of satire anymore... or the term 'product of its time.' 🤷♂
@@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy People were offended by Blazing Saddles way back when it came out so your point is moot. It's still not banned, nobody is trying to ban it and you can stream it no problem. The masses have always had an issue understanding satire, it's nothing new.
Just saw a jimmy Carr clip where he talks about having to buy special clothes for his very tiny premature baby and as the clerk was ringing him up, she asked him if he wanted the hangers and he said to her, "well i think it's a bit late for that now". People groaned and laughed at the same time, it was funny! And, my favorite joke of his was about the unwritten rules of comedy. He says basically if you're a minority, you can make racial jokes, have a disability, you can make jokes about the disabled... then he says, "So tonight you're going to hear a lot of jokes about pedophilia." The audience sorta gasped and groaned and he followed it with, "oh you're afraid of pedophiles? Well then grow up!" And I've never laughed so hard in my entire life at a joke! It was edgy, yet corny, with brilliant yet simple word play on a subject that literally nobody finds funny.
Some people can pull it off and others just can't. And it's all about who you really are as a person. I love telling good racial jokes to my minority friends, because they're funny and it makes them crack up. They laugh because they know my character and they know there's no malice behind it, not even a hint. I also run around saying things to them like, " oh don't worry, you're with me and I'm white, I'll totally vouch for you" or "watch this, I'm totally gonna use my privilege right now". But you can't be a comedian that runs around griping about young people and their woke culture off stage and expect them to laugh when you're on stage actually taking an actual shot at them disguised as comedy and expect them to laugh... that's not funny, it's being a prick.
It's generally very hard to offend me, but I saw a video of Jimmy Carr telling a whole bunch of "the Catholic Church is full of pedophiles" jokes, and it was, like, enough is enough already. I wouldn't really consider myself Catholic anymore, but I feel like they really get a raw deal with so much focus on that when the stereotype applies so incredibly rarely in reality.
"If I tell a bad joke, you all tell me by not laughing, and I stop telling that joke." - Randy Feltface.
My younger brother is one of the idiots who spends a lot of time complaining about wokeness. Hes got a forty-two year old body with a ninety year old brain. Hes been cranky and bitter for over two dozen years, and its a real tragedy.
Sounds like my older brother that’s 3 yrs older than your brother! I found a lot of gen x men think this way
That’s sad. Condolences.
@@jessicadavis3989 Boomerism is highly contagious. the closer you are to the boomer gen the more likely you are to be infected by Boomerism.
Jeez, you must think little of your little brother. Some older brother you are!!!!🙁🙁🙁🙁
@jessicadavis3989 you're not wrong about Gen X. I know there's a lot of internalized resentment towards the previous and following generations due to the times they grew up in. They had no job mobility due to the boomers being in power everywhere and they're followed by the millennials who grew up with the technological boon of the '90s which became a massive bargaining chip to get better advantages at work. It seems to have given them a "survival of the fittest" mentality (hence why a lot of them seems to lean towards libertarian ideologies) and really cemented them in this mentality.
Of course, this is a stereotype like most generational descriptions, but I found it most interesting to see and understand why a lot of Gen X fall for these and tend to stand their ground. Consciously or not, they really resent younger generations for having it easier than they did and they feel smug about the value of hard work over starvation wage.
It also applies to the social aspect. How many of them had to stay in the closet, afraid of being bullied for being LGBTQ+? But many kids in their teens feels comfortable enough to come out nowadays? Outrageous! They should keep their feelings inside like we did and wait until they're in their late 30s to acknowledge who they really are... but only if they have no kids. (Not my opinions, but I'm sure many of you heard similarly phrased "arguments" if you know any queer GenX people)
I never thought Seinfeld was all that funny. For me, it was the other character's on Seinfeld that stole the show. Literally every other character than him. JMO
yep
probably still pissed that the tv show ''hannah montana'' used larry david as a guest star and not him
Truth, whenever I heard people talk about the show, not once did I ever hear anyone say he was their favorite or the reason they watched, not a single time.
Exactly. Nobody who is a fan of that show says that Jerry is their favorite character.
He wasn't even a good actor. He'd often smile when he was supposed to be serious or upset. You can't even control your facial expressions (acting 101), but want to complain about how the audience responds?!
My thoughts exactly. I love Seinfeld the show, but not his character on the show, and I don't find his standup very funny, either.
Freedom of speech is not actually actively being assaulted. Congress has not, in fact, passed laws to abridge the freedom of speech, religion, nor assembly. People are still free to legally express themselves. But…we call it the Free Marketplace of Ideas for a reason. It’s free, but it is a marketplace. If a person uses words that causes them to be canceled, it is because not enough people buy into the Free Ideas you have to make you money.
as an old lady in her late 50s, I could not agree more with this opinion piece. MY GOD what has happened with some of these old comedians? it's like they're becoming crotchety old men and women, yelling at clouds, who cannot see past their own experiences.
Comedians used to get locked up for telling raunchy jokes in small towns. Current comedians complaining about getting criticism on twitter or college students protesting them is ridiculous. Grow a pair and do your routine. If your funny, people will still watch you.
*you're
@@birdmann9197Holy crap, are you going around correcting all the grammer on the internet?
You must be so busy.
You should probably get a life instead.
@NeilLewis77 your just as bad as him for being triggered and now I’m equally a loser as well.
@@jool7793 no I'm not.
Telling the grammer police to get a life is not as bad as going around being the grammer police.
nothing wrong with being grammar police. if more people tried to learn to spell, they'd be understood better.
George carlin was edgy and never punched down. Timeless.
Perfect point . Wish everyone truly understood how despicable punching down is.
Woke comedians don’t know what direction down is. It isn’t the 1960s anymore.
Doesn't punching down mean that you're above someone to begin with though? Sounds patronizing to have to protect someone else's feelings cause you think they're not as emotionally mature as you. But hey that's just me...
And he would be banned everywhere now.
@@PeterLustig-js6mj LMAO...exactly how? I remember my boomer parents getting pissed at Carlin calling out their Catholic religion and their middle class, white conservative behavior and beliefs. It was hilarious how today that would be considered "triggering" and "snowflake" behavior by the right.
Besides, Carlin didn't give a crap about whether someone disagreed with him or not. By the way, you can go online and publish or share your own material, whether it be music, video, or writing, without some corporate gatekeeper publishing company. No one can ever be truly cancelled...it's just whiners like you that give up.
The comedians who are calling BS are the ones who can’t come up with comedy that isn’t at the expense of specific groups or individuals. Brian Regan and Nate Bargatze have it figured out. They act like they aren’t very smart but in reality they are brilliant. They observe the mundane, the hilarious behaviors, and the hypocrisy of humanity. Their self-deprecating humor also connects.
It's funny, Bill Maher had a show called Politically Incorrect in 1993, 30 years ago! And he says people are now getting offended. People have been getting offended or canceled for hundreds of years.
The point that people getting canceled for what they say is not an invalid one. But I will say that in the past, it was far more onerous because it was called blacklisting, and it happened a few times to Hollywood, most notably McCarthy’s Red Scare witch hunt. People lost their careers overnight and went destitute because someone merely said they were a suspected communist. These days, these canceled acts either own up to it, go quiet for a bit, or they double-down and end up with a dead-end audience to fit the dead material they insist on pushing. And usually after their prime money-making years no less.
Curb your Enthusiasm CLEARS Seinfeld. it’s edgy, it’s clever, and doesn’t rely on laugh tracks.
when did Curb start?
@@Luke-id8ql 2000
@@ThunderHOWL16 so super long ago.. the studios know it makes money and people like it. It's kind of grandfathered in. there are other shows like that too that ran for a long time that remained edgy. There are definitely exceptions but I would say for the most part there is not many notable comedy movies or shows that have been made in the last 5 years that were not created by a super well established comedian.
@@Luke-id8ql i see your point and agree for the most part. doesn’t seem like that there’s a lot of new stuff that fits that description. i still think that the fact that shows like curb managed to stay on for so long and not change too much is notable
The problem allot of these "comedians" are facing is the fact they wanna be spiteful assholes towards these groups that folk no longer hate and have become overwhelmingly accepting of and frame it as comedy. You can be an edgy comedian, but when it's not you actually being edgy but instead just a hateful bigot then the audience picks up on it and they aren't gonna laugh.
Plenty of edgy comedians still making a killing to this day, just not the ones that are clearly not being edgy, just claiming their actual shit beliefs are just jokes.
Idiot Seinfeld's blather is IMMEDIATELY disproven by the fact that one of the biggest comedies in production at this very moment is "Curb Your Enthusiasm".
Period, end of story.
I'm 71 years old & I fully agree with you & John Stewart is a genius!!!
English comedian Stewart Lee has been calling this out longer than anyone else.
Joe Rogan got so triggered by wOkE culture, he opened a comedy club for him and his podcast friends 😂 Sounds like a "safe space" to me
Rogan wants to uphold the status quo. He would've hated George Carlin if he was still around.
And he named an entire special "Triggered" because he was so triggered about other people supposedly being triggered by him
@@dielaughing73yep and it triggered none of us into watching it.
@@NeilLewis77 I watched it but I don't remember a single thing about it
@@dielaughing73 ha, somehow that doesnt surprise me.
It’s not “woke”, it’s accountability. Don’t punch down. That simple.
It's awareness of injustice and inequality and bringing the perpetrators to account.
Men competing against women is punching down.
Men competing against women in sports is punching down.
@@polarbear4612- Transwomen do not enjoy any advantages in sports.
@@julietfischer5056lame
Seinfeld never took off in the UK. Sat through an episode to find out why. Now I know. I've been to funnier funerals.
There's a scene of him mocking a receptionist (yes, punching down). One commentator on UA-cam said, insightfully, "In the British version of this scene, the protagonist would be the receptionist".
I wonder how upset Seinfeld would be about "woke" if comedians were using pejorative words for Jewish people to get a laugh.
Yeah, thank God no woke protestors are using any pejoratives against Jews on college campuses these days, amirite?..... because that would be wildly racist and unwoke, wouldn't it?
"Oh, you're being canceled? That's adorable." - Lenny Bruce
No offense, but you’d be FURIOUS if you heard Bruce’s material.
@@jimmybonez8928 Yeah, "anti-woke" comedians are Lenny wannabes.
Theres a big difference between edgy/dark humor and punching down. Too many people hide genuine bigotry behind 'edgy humor', but you *can* still ride that line if you know how to tell a joke with irony and satire
The most obvious hidden racism and sexism comes from the woke crowd. The _climax_ of the first Disney Dr Who was the Doctor being told “You can’t solve the problem because you present as male.” Everyone tuned in to see Tennant return, and they did THAT to him. There is nothing in Song of the South that is that malicious.
@@VPWedding The woke crowd is against sexism and racism. The Song of the South had blackface and Happiness in Slavery stereotypes, while the Doctor Who episode changed actors because Tennant left the series for whatever reason. That's the show's gimmick since the '60s because the character regenerates or resurrects as different people.
I really appreciate you saying these things and calling that offensive stuff out. I’m so sick of the purposely misuse of “woke” and the complaining about not being able to offend people. Brilliant work!
Steve Hofstetter is proof that comedians can be funny without being anti-“woke”
I'm 50 now and I can say with confidence that these anti-woke comedians were never all that funny even back in the day...
Here here !👍
That's why they headlined sitcoms that made Millions of Dollars for the TV Networks that carried them, unlike the TV Shows of today that SUCK!!!
I was a huge fan of Ricky Grevais's "the Office" and I thought he was incredibly funny. Saw him recently in a sketch anti-fat people with the punch line was to say that fat ladies were ready to do anything to be pretty except jogging. I was very disappointed at how not funny he was ( not because the topic was a trigger for me, it is not. It was just not funny and he sounded frustrated for some reason)
@@veroniquelauzon2801 Gervais is nothing without a script.
@@christopherfarley9331Shows sucked then too. People leaving the TV on for some background noise doesn't reflect the quality of your show.
Jerry's just mad the teenagers he dates aren't so into him anymore.
See, that's funny
@@caprafanLike funny, haha?
@@brandonavery133 "Whattaya mean funny? How am I funny? Am I a clown? Do I amuse you??"-Joe Pesci, "Goodfellas"
I'm 41 and I never thought Seinfeld and Bill were funny.
Young unfunny people are “ahead of the curve”, old unfunny people are “anti-woke”.
Seinfeld was so corny to me even back then. I never got the appeal tbh.
I never did either it's like, what you expected to see on the TV when you sat in a waiting room, or were sitting at your friend's house hanging out playing a game and not watching TV at all.
I was always confused when someone referred to him as peak comedian
that show’s popularity has confused me since it first aired. insufferably smug and self-satisfied
it was everyone else working around Jerry that made it funny.
Jerry was the straight man and would have two modes
"Calm Jerry"
and
"I DIDN'T KNOW!" hysterical in a panicky Jerry.
Both versions dated a 17-year-old when he was 38.
@@angelainamarie9656 ah yes, not actually watching the TV and trying to get the appeal of it.
Jon Stewart is a national treasure
These days he's doin aright : )
Back in the day though? Oh boy he's made some bad moves....
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 As we all do. We all at one time maintain antiquated views. It's about if we evolve from them or maintain them though.
I'm genuinely convinced that he only returned to comedy because he understood a voice like his is needed more than ever now. Because he was more or less retired, he had other things to do. I respect him for that , someone who knows his talents and understands that doing the right thing is a duty.
The French philosopher Henri Bergson once said that laughter is a socially sanctioned response to inflexible behavior. This is especially important to the young who are trying to figure out what they want to keep in society, what they want to throw away, and what they want to change and why. To the aging Boomers this is seen as a direct challenge to everything that they have done and accomplished, and so naturally they're defensive about it and dismissive.
“When you see people’s mouths drop open in the audience, they’re not offended-they’re *yawning*.”
It's such a good point. it's your job as a comedian to make people laugh. If people find you offensive instead, then it's on you to change, not the people.
Showing my age, I still find George Carlin old stand up as hilarious and relevant.
Exactly. Proving these guys just don't know how to write good material. And the vast majority of the people who found them funny are no longer on this planet.
This happens with every generation. I remember thinking Don Rickles wasn't funny. Some comedians of his generation told mean jokes or just inappropriate jokes. I refused to listen to them.
Jerry Seinfeld: they didn't laugh bc the joke wasn't funny. Write better shit.
I'm sorry, isn't his job to be funny? Why am I supposed to make that easier for him?
Just get him a robot krabs to "ha ha ha"
@@ToxicAudriwhy? Even true AI wouldn't be able to tell when he's trying to make a joke, so it would just sit in silence.
Seinfeld's saying all this while promoting a movie about fkn Pop-Tarts, mind you.....
I saw the trailer of that movie.
Cringe level was over 9000!
I would have been better off not knowing this existed. That can't be anything other than a money laundering project.
That’s what I can’t get. TBH I actually enjoyed the pop tarts movie, it was absurdist at best and completely stupid at worst, but sometimes my sense of humor just works like that…but it definitely didn’t feel like it was trying to be edgy or offensive to anyone. It felt like something Weird Al could have made. So based on his comments, can we assume Jerry must have hated making that movie?
What's the name of the movie?
@@tamrinto Unfrosted
I'd rather be woke than obtuse.
Eric Idle said something very similar about comedians (particularly of his generation) who complain about "wokeness". Interestingly enough, recently a Tweet John Cleese posted 5 years ago in response someone who called him a "snowflake" has gone viral again and shared by leftist accounts. Cleese wrote "Yes I've heard this word. I think sociopaths use it in an attempt to discredit the notion of empathy." What all the leftists praising Cleese for this old Tweet are ignoring, though, is that just a year later he jumped on the "wokeness is ruining comedy!" bandwagon and now has his own show on GB News (the British equivalent of Fox News). When asked about his views on comedians like Dave Chappelle who say they've been cancelled, Eric Idle's response was "“Well, you’re not being that much canceled, are you? If you were in your room complaining, I’d have a lot more sympathy.” Eric Idle is now my favourite Python.
If someone complains about a joke they can no longer make, ask them to explain the joke and what makes it funny. Is it a pun? Irony? Abusrdity? Double-entendre? Exaggeration? Analogy? Or does it just boil down to, "Ha ha! (ethnicity, sexuality, disability) ha! ha!"
Yep. "A gay French prince" gets a laugh from Jerry's old audience who pay a lot of money to drive to his big gigs.
But "a gay French prince" gets no laughs from a young audience who just turned up at campus and happy to be given a ticket.
Could it be that younger people don't find the idea of someone being gay as funny as older people do?
Young people are like "why did he throw that in? What's being gay got to do with anything?"
Seriously, listening to Seinfelds 70 year old boomer ass cry was hilarious, it's like really Jerry, do you not watch TV at all? Besides, in todays world, people'd be way more upset with him tapping a 17 year old like he did when he was 38, then anything on his show.
Really, he should shut up and buy another car.
Wait what? That's way too large a gap. Once you're 30 you shouldn't be dating anyone until they've done university.
@@JasonAtlas Buddy, in the US, 17 is still in high school!
And 30? Please!
If you're over 22, you shouldn't be dating someone with "teen" in their age, period!
If you're over 25, dating someone who's still in university, unless they're the same age as you and went to university later than normal, already starts to become pathetic and creepy.
oh yes he cried so hard lol. It was 15 second comment in 45 minute interview. lol. but that 17 year old shit is weird af.
@@sandpiperr I work in a research biochemistry. We get a lot of post graduates and currently at uni interns over the summer. They do a lot of the same stuff and so you get some dating now and again. It's 22-24 with 25-27. I don't fint it too odd.
Comedians complaining about the "woke shit" are just lazy ... too lazy to come up with jokes that punch up instead of punching down.
Just a reminder that Jerry, the comedian, was the straight man in his own show.
I find it particularly annoying when older comedians complaining about the supposed hypersensitivity of younger audiences being responsible for them no longer being able to play college campuses. When you are older than these kids parents, you are going to have to change your material to not be out of date.
Every August, I go to Edinburgh for the fringe festival - it is the biggest comedy and arts festival on the planet. It is an overwhelmingly left wing festival. Hundreds and hundreds of comedians, (famous comedians, well-established comedians and newcomers - so comedians from the whole spectrum of comedy career stages) provide hundreds/thousands of hours of new material every year. Nobody there is struggling to dodge all of the things right wing comedians are pretending they 'arent allowed to say'. They are actually good at being comedians and can make whatever they want to talk about funny to a diverse audience without getting 'cancelled'. Hundreds of hours of often edgy and creative comedy without getting cancelled. I have seen hundreds of comedians over the years in edinburgh and i think ive only ever heard 1 or 2 comedians say something that was even mildly bordering on actually offensive or ignorant - and even those comedians are still working to this day. The comedians complaining about woke culture are just crying about how they arent creative enough to make a joke work if it doesnt involve punching down. So leftists havent killed comedy, because comedy isnt in any way dead. It is alive and kicking. But right wing comedians have relied on bigotry over creativity for way too long and so they are being little cry babies that audiences expect better from them nowadays.
So if ppl are laughing then there's no point of being offended. If the audience didn't like it, it's a different thing
You can say almost anything if you nail the self deprecation. If the jokes on you, instead of the subject, you can get away with so very much.