It's really unfair that Raff's music, such a work of genius, fell into oblivion after WW1. Every single one of the chamber works I've listened to is so dynamic, full of emotion and shows a whole display of instrumental dexterity that it is a mystery to me why we haven't put him next to other names such as Brahms.
Sir Joseph Joachim Raff should always deserve a place of grand reputation. I'm touched and inspired by the notation arrangement and part writing in this awesome piece.
Thankyou ! I really enjoyed this ! Wow ! So imaginative the figures . 1st and 2nd movement in themselves should win these works more players . They's sound good before a Brahms quartet .Almost chilly music for a dark Bavarian town .Now I want to hear his piano quintet ! I will visit the symphonies again .The Busoni in comparison is immature and dull harmonically . Structure here works but it lacks of course the august charm .Raff is early 30's here so... The opening figure is fantastic . Brahms really stands high above everyone else alive at his time ! Raff was Liszt's secretary for a time ! I have now read a bunch of letters vonBulow,Clara Sch,Tchaikovsky even Brahms they all knew about this famous man and a few said his commanding reputation would collapse soon .Sad that a few who couldnt sense Brahms greatness could see eternity so surely .
Très beau quatuor, aux influences de Mendelssohn et Brahms si prononcées dans le second mouvement. Pauvre Raff, ce méconnu dont on ne connaît généralement que la très célèbre "Cavatine" . Un grand merci à Bartje Bartmans pour ce beau travail ! Very nice quartet, with the influences of Mendelssohn and Brahms so pronounced in the second movement. Poor Raff, this unknown, which is generally known only by the very famous "Cavatine". Many thanks to Bartje Bartmans for this great job !
En 1855, Brahms n'avait composé qu'une seule oeuvre de musique de chambre : son premier trio op.8. Son premier quatuor à corde ne fut composé qu'en 1873. On ne trouve aucune influence de Brahms dans ce quatuor de Raff. Mendelssohn peut-être, mais Brahms, non! Raff pourrait avoir influencé Brahms, non l'inverse.
Cool piece! By the way, are you going to upload any more of Suk's or Rubinstein's quartets, or the 5 pieces by Glazunov? Just wondering. All the best, Bartje!
I uploaded pretty much all of Glazunov's works for string quartet. The Five Pieces are not available on IMSLP. But hope to have all Villa Lobos quartets up, am working on No. 7. Rubinstein I already had his 2nd quartet up. His 3rd has not a decent complete performance on UA-cam. The one I liked didn't perform the slow movement.
The last chord sounds so broken. I think that's because the first violin raises its F4 too high and plays it sluggishly, which attracts the sound to the hidden but decided F#4 harmonic of the cello's D2.
Well, not exactly... Schœnberg's chef-d'œuvre goes far beyond this essay, formally and harmonically, without underlining its richness of the ecriture, far more advanced. However, this movement is damn good per se, like the three others! A true discovery for us indeed.
Check thematic development in all movements. You will notice there isn't any. Tedious accompaniments and very, very un-creative counterpoint. Check those hollow octaves in the violin for instance. I could give you a measure by measure analysis but I have no time for that.
High standards? Just analyze the piece and then analyze for instance a comparable quartet by Mendelssohn, Schumann, Brahms, Volkmann, Rubinstein etc. etc.
One of the most epic string quartets ever composed!
It's really unfair that Raff's music, such a work of genius, fell into oblivion after WW1. Every single one of the chamber works I've listened to is so dynamic, full of emotion and shows a whole display of instrumental dexterity that it is a mystery to me why we haven't put him next to other names such as Brahms.
Great music! What a pleasure to discover it here!
Sir Joseph Joachim Raff should always deserve a place of grand reputation. I'm touched and inspired by the notation arrangement and part writing in this awesome piece.
That extra 2/4 bar of suspension at 1:03 kicks so much ass omg
Thankyou ! I really enjoyed this ! Wow ! So imaginative the figures . 1st and 2nd movement in themselves should win these works more players . They's sound good before a Brahms quartet .Almost chilly music for a dark Bavarian town .Now I want to hear his piano quintet ! I will visit the symphonies again .The Busoni in comparison is immature and dull harmonically . Structure here works but it lacks of course the august charm .Raff is early 30's here so... The opening figure is fantastic . Brahms really stands high above everyone else alive at his time ! Raff was Liszt's secretary for a time ! I have now read a bunch of letters vonBulow,Clara Sch,Tchaikovsky even Brahms they all knew about this famous man and a few said his commanding reputation would collapse soon .Sad that a few who couldnt sense Brahms greatness could see eternity so surely .
Raff puede ser poético, sutil, y a veces, como en este cuarteto...hasta elegante.
Fabulous !.
Très beau quatuor, aux influences de Mendelssohn et Brahms si prononcées dans le second mouvement.
Pauvre Raff, ce méconnu dont on ne connaît généralement que la très célèbre "Cavatine" . Un grand merci à Bartje Bartmans pour ce beau travail !
Very nice quartet, with the influences of Mendelssohn and Brahms so pronounced in the second movement.
Poor Raff, this unknown, which is generally known only by the very famous "Cavatine". Many thanks to Bartje Bartmans for this great job !
En 1855, Brahms n'avait composé qu'une seule oeuvre de musique de chambre : son premier trio op.8. Son premier quatuor à corde ne fut composé qu'en 1873. On ne trouve aucune influence de Brahms dans ce quatuor de Raff. Mendelssohn peut-être, mais Brahms, non! Raff pourrait avoir influencé Brahms, non l'inverse.
Cool piece! By the way, are you going to upload any more of Suk's or Rubinstein's quartets, or the 5 pieces by Glazunov? Just wondering.
All the best, Bartje!
I uploaded pretty much all of Glazunov's works for string quartet. The Five Pieces are not available on IMSLP. But hope to have all Villa Lobos quartets up, am working on No. 7. Rubinstein I already had his 2nd quartet up. His 3rd has not a decent complete performance on UA-cam. The one I liked didn't perform the slow movement.
@@laurentpagani6502 That one I already uploaded.
The last chord sounds so broken. I think that's because the first violin raises its F4 too high and plays it sluggishly, which attracts the sound to the hidden but decided F#4 harmonic of the cello's D2.
Das ist ja eine ungeheuerliche Musik!! Dieser langsame Satz!
I can ear a premonition of Schoenberg's verklarte nacht in the third movement. Didn't you?
brescianello sounds immediately like Glass but slightly better.
Philip Glass?
Benjammin' the beggining? DFFD DFFD DFFD DFFD.... lol
Well, not exactly... Schœnberg's chef-d'œuvre goes far beyond this essay, formally and harmonically, without underlining its richness of the ecriture, far more advanced. However, this movement is damn good per se, like the three others! A true discovery for us indeed.
it's a shame you don't see its merits bartje :(
Check thematic development in all movements. You will notice there isn't any. Tedious accompaniments and very, very un-creative counterpoint. Check those hollow octaves in the violin for instance. I could give you a measure by measure analysis but I have no time for that.
you have very high standards haha. do you have any original works?
High standards? Just analyze the piece and then analyze for instance a comparable quartet by Mendelssohn, Schumann, Brahms, Volkmann, Rubinstein etc. etc.
i'm not saying this is better than brahms but i think it's enjoyable at the least. you might like his 2nd 6th and 7th more i reckon.
Of course it is at the least enjoyable. Why else would you think I took the time and effort to upload it?
Someone have the PDF file?
You can download it from IMSLP
slow movement is very "Mahlerian"