Thats one of the Reasons why older Tales of Games need Remakes. Tales of Symphonia Remake would be better then the Remaster. Then Tales of Abyss really needs one and needs to flesh out the Romance between Tear and Luke. What other Tales of Games need Remakes? Tales of Vesperia and Tales of Zestiria are good as they are.
If this game got a total remake, then they should do it like this, finish Mithos earlier and make this the final battle instead. Idk how the material blades/eternal sword would be handled to get the same ending but I think this OVA made better story and characterization under the medium’s own constraints.
Lloyd shouldn't be able to stand a chance here. He does nothing in this fight that Kratos hasn't countered and crushed before. I think he just lets him win or is going easy.
I miss Lloyd. It’s rare having a Protag who’s weapon style is dual swords. Didn’t hurt to have him voice by Robin from Teen Titans back in the day either. It all made me overlook the fact he’s wearing DORKY SUSPENDERS, WHAT?! I never noticed!
I have to admit, I do love how they made Lloyd in the game and anime. SO MANY TIMES, it's always 'WHAT?! He's wielding TWO swords?!' or 'DUAL WIELDING?! That's a skill only Heroes/one-in-a-million can learn!!' I am so sick of it. But even before I knew about that crap, Lloyd never once seemed like that to me. He got to wield two swords because he worked his ass off for that, with Kratos training him to refine him even further. Not to mention the ONLY time I recall him using two swords was EVER brought up was from Kratos himself asking him why he used two swords, as it was unusual and a bit unorthodox, to which Lloyd just replied that he wanted more attack power. And that's another thing that separates him from other anime Protags, he uses two swords, but he's not overpowered, he has to work to get stronger and he's not that far ahead of his friends in terms of power. Unlike KIRITO, who that anime can't SHUT UP about! So take notes, Anime/Manga Writers, just because someone can wield two swords, doesn't mean they're overpowered. It's a rare skill, but not a god-tier one, get over yourselves! Now, dual wielding two of Doom Slayer's Super Shotguns on the other hand, THAT would make ANYONE OP.
It's not like Kirito trained in isolation to get to where he was, watched several of his friends die, and almost died himself in order to learn how to dual wield, not to mention his parameters. It's like you didn't watch the anime at all. T.T@@thesennmaster9791
I'm always coming back to see the game and the anime once in a while. Always crying at some points but this scene.. damn. I really want a game about Kratos, Mithos, Yuan & Martel.
I feel like it's really sweet to see the concept of Kratos praising his son for having the strength to defeat him, and they animated this beautifully in this anime... But there is a more significant, bold message in the game's take, having Kratos call Lloyd softhearted for letting him live, breaking the pact with Origin that nearly took his life just to show disdain when Yuan rescues him. It really highlights Kratos grief and the impact it had on his self-worth. When I first saw it, it felt like it really diminished the moment. Lloyd finally faced his father and grew so much. You'd think Kratos would acknowledge him like he does here. I realize now that showing Kratos act so ungrateful despite everything was a powerful move, and is more memorable for it. There is scarcely anything cliche about Symphonia's writing. They take risks, and the characters feel genuine for it.
Can you explain what you mean by Kratos acting ungrateful? I agree that Kratos at this point in the game and also in the animation has very little self-worth. He is hoping that he could die by Lloyd's hand because he thinks by doing that, he can somewhat pay for what he's done. I really liked how in the game Lloyd rebuked him about how dying isn't the way to go about atoning. It was refreshing for Lloyd to call him a stupid jerk and that him dying would mean nothing. (That is bold writing). I really didn't want Kratos to die, but I really wanted Kratos to work hard to make the world a better place with Lloyd and be there to support him and do all the dad things that he missed out on. It leaves a sour taste that he leaves to Derris Kharlan never to see Lloyd again. I mean, get Yuan to go! and stay with Lloyd. It feels to me like he's leaving because he doesn't feel worthy of being Lloyd's parent and that Lloyd doesn't need him, he would only be a hindrance. In this animation Lloyd doesn't really get the chance to talk Kratos out of any of his wrong perspectives. It's only in the Kratos alternative ending of the game that Kratos realises in his heart that Lloyd accepts him, but I guess that's what's shown here with the hug. In that alternative ending and Lloyd and him get to spend more time together, that's when Kratos acknowledges Lloyd's strength and growth. So he does acknowledge it in the game, but it's a bit later. During the fight in the game, Kratos would be preoccupied with doing what needed to be done to release Origin. On a side note, Kratos called Lloyd softhearted, but so is Kratos.
I absolutely *love* tales of symphonia, but a mercenary/angel with over 4000 years of combat experience losing to a 17 year old with...what, days, weeks, months or a few years of non-formal training? That's just pushing it.
It’s his son only a completely amoral shitty ass father would ever kill there son. Even in Invincible the comic where his father beats the living shit out of Mark he still can’t kill him
Ok I will post my crazy theory on a 2 year old video Tales of arise released right, it has a ton of similarities to symphonia, the spirit cores are basically exsphears without key crests, you have two worlds that can only be accessed by weird space travel, the enemy faction has 5 lords or, in symphonia, the grand cardinals, the real evil faction is influencing the faction that is oppressing the planet that our protagonist comes from and the story is about being your own man, fight against oppression and unraveling the mysteries of the world to save a single person that the protagonist loves Coincidence I think not In all seriousness, with the spirit cores they have the assets to make exsphears plus the story is similar in a lot of ways to symphonia so what I'm hoping is a symphonia remake with the mechanics from arise It would actually work very well, symphonia has some of the most out dated combat in the tales series, I mean, playing as anyone other than Lloyd, Sheena, presea, Kratos/zelos or regal is still a bit of a pain and playing as Collette and looking flashy is nigh impossible. I would love to see the combat translated to arise's style, plus playing as rinwell, the mage, was pretty fun and I would love to have that same kind of fun with genis, lloyd already felt amazing to play in symphonia and if you could combo like you can in arise I can just imagine the possibilities, even playing as the healer, shionne, was great, a lot of combo potential, so I would really like to see it
The sword moves are practically identical to the ones used in "Rurouni Kenshin Seisouhen" : /watch?v=MDk1kM5eEQw at 2:16 I don't know if it's a reference, or pure plagiarism.
Always liked this scene. Best moment for loyd and kratos to finally be more of a son and father.
“Boy...” - Kratos, to his son Lloyd, probably
"BOI" lol
I dunno I never watched Naruto
Gow
would like to see tales' kratos fight GOW's kratos.
I love how they didn't use artes during the fight and stuck to pure swordsmanship.
Watched over his son like a guardian angel then moved on to who knows where
tales of vesperia
he suffered so much 🥺💔💔
@@RubyofFire lmao
@@RubyofFire lmao
Not to mention tales of the world radiant mythology, for what its worth
Ha, ha, ha, tiger blade! Twin Tiger Blade! Demon fang! Tiger Blade! Twin Tiger Blade!
Legend says that this person is still liking comments today (or not).Anyways I wish this show was available to watch everywhere!
Thats one of the Reasons why older Tales of Games need Remakes. Tales of Symphonia Remake would be better then the Remaster. Then Tales of Abyss really needs one and needs to flesh out the Romance between Tear and Luke. What other Tales of Games need Remakes? Tales of Vesperia and Tales of Zestiria are good as they are.
If this game got a total remake, then they should do it like this, finish Mithos earlier and make this the final battle instead. Idk how the material blades/eternal sword would be handled to get the same ending but I think this OVA made better story and characterization under the medium’s own constraints.
I cry every single t I M E
I LOVE tales of symphonia and wished they made a scene like this in the game :-(
Always loved Tales animations. They always had amazing animations that still stands out today.
Lloyd shouldn't be able to stand a chance here. He does nothing in this fight that Kratos hasn't countered and crushed before. I think he just lets him win or is going easy.
ok who cut the onions again.
Way better than the ingame scene tbh
Well that's not really surprising though
Ain’t nobody beating kratos get outta here
I’ll cry if Lloyd gets revealed for smash and we get an anime trailer in this style 😭
Well this comment not aged well
@6Seraph6 He was confirmed as a dlc costume last month, pretty much deconfirmed him
Is there ever going to be a new smash? I hope if it does they finally make the poopy mii costumes into actual characters.
I wish if Lloyd was
I miss Lloyd. It’s rare having a Protag who’s weapon style is dual swords. Didn’t hurt to have him voice by Robin from Teen Titans back in the day either. It all made me overlook the fact he’s wearing DORKY SUSPENDERS, WHAT?! I never noticed!
Agreed. Lloyd is oddly a kind of one of a kind protag.
He's a country bumpkin, so of course he's wearing suspenders.
I have to admit, I do love how they made Lloyd in the game and anime. SO MANY TIMES, it's always 'WHAT?! He's wielding TWO swords?!' or 'DUAL WIELDING?! That's a skill only Heroes/one-in-a-million can learn!!' I am so sick of it. But even before I knew about that crap, Lloyd never once seemed like that to me. He got to wield two swords because he worked his ass off for that, with Kratos training him to refine him even further. Not to mention the ONLY time I recall him using two swords was EVER brought up was from Kratos himself asking him why he used two swords, as it was unusual and a bit unorthodox, to which Lloyd just replied that he wanted more attack power. And that's another thing that separates him from other anime Protags, he uses two swords, but he's not overpowered, he has to work to get stronger and he's not that far ahead of his friends in terms of power. Unlike KIRITO, who that anime can't SHUT UP about!
So take notes, Anime/Manga Writers, just because someone can wield two swords, doesn't mean they're overpowered. It's a rare skill, but not a god-tier one, get over yourselves!
Now, dual wielding two of Doom Slayer's Super Shotguns on the other hand, THAT would make ANYONE OP.
I mean Kirito worked in order to learn dual wielding as well....but okay lol@@thesennmaster9791
It's not like Kirito trained in isolation to get to where he was, watched several of his friends die, and almost died himself in order to learn how to dual wield, not to mention his parameters. It's like you didn't watch the anime at all. T.T@@thesennmaster9791
Who`s crying? I`m not crying! You are crying! ;_;
I'm always coming back to see the game and the anime once in a while.
Always crying at some points but this scene.. damn.
I really want a game about Kratos, Mithos, Yuan & Martel.
I've wanted a prequel for over 17 years now!
God I cried like a little bitch during this scene. :(
I feel like it's really sweet to see the concept of Kratos praising his son for having the strength to defeat him, and they animated this beautifully in this anime...
But there is a more significant, bold message in the game's take, having Kratos call Lloyd softhearted for letting him live, breaking the pact with Origin that nearly took his life just to show disdain when Yuan rescues him.
It really highlights Kratos grief and the impact it had on his self-worth. When I first saw it, it felt like it really diminished the moment. Lloyd finally faced his father and grew so much. You'd think Kratos would acknowledge him like he does here.
I realize now that showing Kratos act so ungrateful despite everything was a powerful move, and is more memorable for it. There is scarcely anything cliche about Symphonia's writing. They take risks, and the characters feel genuine for it.
Can you explain what you mean by Kratos acting ungrateful?
I agree that Kratos at this point in the game and also in the animation has very little self-worth. He is hoping that he could die by Lloyd's hand because he thinks by doing that, he can somewhat pay for what he's done. I really liked how in the game Lloyd rebuked him about how dying isn't the way to go about atoning. It was refreshing for Lloyd to call him a stupid jerk and that him dying would mean nothing. (That is bold writing).
I really didn't want Kratos to die, but I really wanted Kratos to work hard to make the world a better place with Lloyd and be there to support him and do all the dad things that he missed out on. It leaves a sour taste that he leaves to Derris Kharlan never to see Lloyd again. I mean, get Yuan to go! and stay with Lloyd. It feels to me like he's leaving because he doesn't feel worthy of being Lloyd's parent and that Lloyd doesn't need him, he would only be a hindrance.
In this animation Lloyd doesn't really get the chance to talk Kratos out of any of his wrong perspectives. It's only in the Kratos alternative ending of the game that Kratos realises in his heart that Lloyd accepts him, but I guess that's what's shown here with the hug. In that alternative ending and Lloyd and him get to spend more time together, that's when Kratos acknowledges Lloyd's strength and growth. So he does acknowledge it in the game, but it's a bit later. During the fight in the game, Kratos would be preoccupied with doing what needed to be done to release Origin.
On a side note, Kratos called Lloyd softhearted, but so is Kratos.
Lightning Bla- Super lightning blade!
Where's the demon fang. Where's the grave!!! Lmao dope animation tho
Probably just a normal physical attack without using Artes or Special Skills
@@erratsuki7840 oh yeah, if they use the game tactics, Lloyd would running around In circle and attack kratos once he used an arte
@@GrindyVine Maybe it was just pure physical attack without skills or artes xD
4:52 Yeah, father-son hug!
This is so wholesome. I love it. Nothing like a dad and his son acknowledging eachother.
This was so, so beautiful. I had a tear running down my cheek :)
Um. Holy shit wait. Is that the guy who voices gendo from neon genesis voicing kratos...LOL...he likes to voice effed up dads.....
It is very good, BUT IT IS WAYY TO SHOORT.
Such as all the fight in the Anime without talking about all the boss fight that were totally missing
is that his fuckin dad
Always tears me up when I watch these scenes with Lloyd and Kratos qwq
dirk's child support payments came in the form of noishe. I been knowing kratos broke asl.... spent it all on that damn flamberg.
It was more emotional in the game to be honest
They should have put this actual scene in the remaster.
how the hell did we not know theres a ToS anime...?
You* 😂
I really love tales of symphonia and Lloyd was really my favorite character and I wish if there was tales of symphonia remake game
This scene was epic,with the music and all!
I absolutely *love* tales of symphonia, but a mercenary/angel with over 4000 years of combat experience losing to a 17 year old with...what, days, weeks, months or a few years of non-formal training? That's just pushing it.
Well probably because he has a heart of a father, if u know what I mean.
@@erratsuki7840 Guess that makes sense.
@@unknownguy8687 Yes. Kratos would do anything to protect Lloyd. Not to mention Lloyd is his son. And it's really touching to watch this scene 😊
@@erratsuki7840 It's quite cute indeed, thanks for uploading it!
Oh, good morning btw
It’s his son only a completely amoral shitty ass father would ever kill there son. Even in Invincible the comic where his father beats the living shit out of Mark he still can’t kill him
Father vs. son. Holy shit.
I....miss Tales of Symphonia
I lived my best life for 5:11 minutes
Colette, the chosen of sylverant. Lloyd, the son of kratos who is one of the four seraphim of cruxius.
Anyone know the Ost that starts at 2:45 ? Been struggling to find it & it's pretty damn good
Wow😮, suprisingly VA for Kratos is also the one who make donut out of Ace...
made me that they share the same aye color after checking them with color picker
Diavolo and Akainu
Very nice, thank you.
I like these father-son scenes. Though I could hit Kratos every now and then.
Ok I will post my crazy theory on a 2 year old video
Tales of arise released right, it has a ton of similarities to symphonia, the spirit cores are basically exsphears without key crests, you have two worlds that can only be accessed by weird space travel, the enemy faction has 5 lords or, in symphonia, the grand cardinals, the real evil faction is influencing the faction that is oppressing the planet that our protagonist comes from and the story is about being your own man, fight against oppression and unraveling the mysteries of the world to save a single person that the protagonist loves
Coincidence I think not
In all seriousness, with the spirit cores they have the assets to make exsphears plus the story is similar in a lot of ways to symphonia so what I'm hoping is a symphonia remake with the mechanics from arise
It would actually work very well, symphonia has some of the most out dated combat in the tales series, I mean, playing as anyone other than Lloyd, Sheena, presea, Kratos/zelos or regal is still a bit of a pain and playing as Collette and looking flashy is nigh impossible. I would love to see the combat translated to arise's style, plus playing as rinwell, the mage, was pretty fun and I would love to have that same kind of fun with genis, lloyd already felt amazing to play in symphonia and if you could combo like you can in arise I can just imagine the possibilities, even playing as the healer, shionne, was great, a lot of combo potential, so I would really like to see it
:'(
Hug the dad lloyd. then you can say you hugged 2 dads!
Yeah, this is what I'd imagine Kratos to look like in Record of RAGNAROK.
:0 lloyd vs Kratos
How I would be to my first son lol
This is very much like joshua vs loewe (sora no kiseki)
1:19 hot
kratos fight lloyd
Wow
There have 2 kratos
Youre naive boii
Boii you not ready
I just started playing the game and I already learned from Crestoria I just had to know more
Nice
Literally sobbing
No "End of a Thought?" 0/10
Demon fang
The sword moves are practically identical to the ones used in "Rurouni Kenshin Seisouhen" : /watch?v=MDk1kM5eEQw at 2:16
I don't know if it's a reference, or pure plagiarism.
oh my , you are so right . i am not sure either , i wouldn't count out plagirism
@@ZelosSama It's a reference ! Both animes have the same Animation Director called Akira Matsushima !
@@Elithralith oh ,that is sweet ^^
@@Elithralith And he's the character designer for both.
I can here for Kratos'...
I am dissapointed