Hi, i work as a network engineer in one service provider company, we use field technicians to support our L1 installations, i never have a chance to experience onsite installations from behind the computer display (supporting only L2 and L3), so i would like to say thank you for this experience and other ones provided in your videos. :)
it's pretty awesome stuff to see a data centre or telco rack being installed. From a bare hunk of metal to cable runs, dressing the rack with various hardware and powering up the equipment. When you go online and hit "Google" I still get that warm fuzzy feeling :-)
Great video man. I am a network engineer and what you are doing now is how I began in IT. Your work is where it all begins and essential to the whole setup. Brought back memories of having to use the "fish sticks" and going through some weird places in some old buildings in SF just to reach the MPOE Keep it up brother.
The cover caps are needed no matter if you do the wiring right or not. They are made to keep the dust out of the connections. If you do not it will cause static in your lines then it will cause data loss as to slower speeds. Just like in an old turn dial radio that has not been used for a while. When you turn the volume up and down you get SNAP CRACKLE POP. That is caused by dust between the plates of the volume control. Great video, keep up the great work.
Thanks Derek. It's ok about the criticism. The internet world is loaded with trolls. I'm so glad so many people are being helped by the information I am providing. Thanks for commenting! :-)
This is a great video. I do tech support over the phone and so it's great to see the physical networking side of things for once. Extremely helpful. Thank you!
I recently started wiring my house house up with cat6. It was made in the 50s and when pulling cables through the attic I noticed it was littered with ancient bits of telephone cables and old mating blocks. And I wasn't upset, it was more interesting than anything. I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the year 2040 when someone finds some old cat5 twisted pairs in the wall there's a pretty good chance they'll just smile and remember how things used to be while they're putting in fancy new optical-to-the-desk wall plates (that still terminate differently from vendor to vendor because some things never change).
+Tom V. Thanks. You know what is so funny Tom, is that one little event is responsible for about half the comments left on this video. I don't think I could have planned something more effective for boosting the popularity. :-)
Hey man I noticed something with your service loop. I was at an office one day with severe water damage from a construction site one floor above. Basically the floor above was completely flooded over night due to a main water pipe that broke unnoticed. So lots of water came down to that office from the sealing and their network infrastructure was destroyed. Water was slowly running along those Cat cables directly into the patch panels at the top of their racks and then dripped on all the switches, servers, telephone system and their router below. Having a service loop like that probably would have saved some of those devices. So this is a pretty cool idea for several reasons 👍
Oh great point. That’s definitely something I worry about with Outside plant cable as they traverse from outdoors to inside. I have to say that in many years of installing infrastructure, I’ve only run into water events twice. And in both cases, they only affected one outlet. Thanks for pointing that out! 😊
I understand 100% why you toss the rubbish in the wall, but it hurts my OCD ;) thankyou for the video, that service loop is a very good idea that I will use :)
Lol most of those comments are about dumping useless stuff into that hole while probably no one will never ever care about. So im gonna comment about the knowledge he shared for free - thank you sir! Thats a nice piece of advice for people with releated questions. Again, thank you!
I laughed when you threw the cut cable into the wall, clearly you've been doing this for a while, so props to you. I've encountered so many situations where there is no service loop, ever try punching down on a 48 port patch with no wiggle room to pull the patch out? Pain in the ass! Hopefully people watch this and pick up good habits
Oh man, Chris. Have I ever been there with you. Obviously, you get it. And you're trying to make changes in a data cabinet with no slack you're like "OK, what was the guy who put this in thinking?" Really appreciated the feedback and comments!
I suppose the simplest solution in a situation like that would be to test the cable, cut it back, and patch it into a keystone jack. It will introduce another point of error and be a bit messy, but a lot faster than running a new cable (depending on distance of course). Although, it would have been far easier for the installer to leave a few feet of service cable.
Nice video, was relaxing to watch. Those keystone jacks seem very well made. I was like everyone and spotted you dumping the cut offs inside the wall. End of the day no one is going to see it, and it's expected of all workmen ha. Personally I'd just carry a small bag with me and dump them in there. You never know when someone seeing you be that little bit more professional could help, but end of the day it's not a game changing issue, it's more of a personal thing.
I love the keystone jacks and if you have the money to do Belden installations you'll love them even more, about 1/2 the time to install and punch down, and they have a handy dandy automatic crimping tool for the pros.
I rarely leave comments unless I'm trolling, but thank you for making this video and this entire channel. I am a very new IT field technician and your content helps me to grow and understand. Subscribed because you rock!
Great, glad I could help. If you're an up and coming IT pro, you might like my other channel too - DIY Telecom ua-cam.com/users/DIYTelecom Good luck! :-D
Robo, this simplest way to get into this business is call a small, local Telecom or Network installation business and as them if they need help pulling cable. Once you start there, if you show some initiative, you can go pretty far without ever setting foot in a classroom. Most of what we learn is "on the job training". Good luck. :)
Very useful. Many thanks. Do a lot of configuration but never actually made the cable runs. Now I want to expand the network in my home and plan to do it myself this time.
Good deal Dominic. I don't think I mentioned it, but a good place to buy reliable materials (jacks, cable, patch panel) is monoprice dot com. I don't have any incentive to recommend them. Just saying. Good luck! :-D
Nice video. altough i already know most of the information, staying a bit up to date with what other people do is always nice. Youre one of the few videos i actuallywatch from start to end
You are tops! I am teaching myself to punch down a patch panel I purchased along with a roll of cable and cable making kit. I'm sure I will get there with your help. Rock on NA!!!
OMG...I cannot BELIEVE some of these comments! Ranging from where he throws the cable shavings (which is more common than people think) to where he installs the cabinet...HE DID AN ABSOLUTELY PROFESSIONAL JOB!!!
😅I enjoyed watching this video from start to end. Very informative . Especially the part where I learnt to throw the little pieces of wire inside the dry wall instead of the trash can 😅
Very informative video, but i must comment on the trash in the wall. As a Commercial General Contractor, that has always been a pet peeve with me, especially when i have opened up walls and found pee bottles among many other things. But that is just my rant..carry on, really appreciate the knowledge you share.
Thanks Aaron! It's ok, the downers are always out there. I'd be willing to be donuts though that many of those posting negative things are not independent telecom contractors. If they realized how tough it was to make a buck out there as an independent, then they would appreciate why every shortcut you can take is vital. Best of luck to you. Thanks for commenting! :-D
Nice video and some good info, I have had problems mounting equipment in racks that the drop cables "service loop" is in the way. A better alternative is to keep the loop at the very top of the cage and utilize the space behind the patch panel and not to tie it to the back rails.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was informative and helpful and I appreciate you taking the time to show how something like this is done. How difficult is fishing the wire through the walls?
Jake, fishing cable through walls can be not-too-bad if the wall is hollow. However, if there is insulation or horizontal trusses, it can get very frustrating.
Cool, I'm in IT but I've never been exposed to this side of networking before this video. I pmuch feel like this work is essentially done via contract work for the vast majority of business? For obvious reasons, but it was interesting to watch. Subbed and shared and looking forward to more!
Thank you Prot. Yes, most companies out source the cabling infrastructure. It can be dirty, sweaty work. If I was a senior IT staffer, I wouldn’t want to do it. And, this video is exactly what you said - I was sub-contracted for this job. For a nationwide medical franchise. 😁
thank you! there's a big difference between what you learn (lab, apprenticeship, tech school) versus what you do in the field when you've been doing this for ages.
+Naziru Adam hi Naziru. Glad you liked it. It's always a balancing act with youtube videos. "Shorter is better". Longer videos tend not tonget watched. Or, if they do, they aren't finished. The goal of this video was just to give a quick-and-rough idea of the steps needed to install the wiring infrastructure. Is there something in particular you think I left out?
Sure you are right about the video length. I was just kind of wondering if it would include installing the server, switch and other stuff like that...anyway, the video was quite informative and straight forward.
excellent video. I personally omit that patch-panel part whenever possible, it reduces one point of failure. I rather connect cables directly to switches. It really helped me a lot to find problems in network.
One of the best well-explained videos I have seen in a long time :) Thank you ... I've got a few questions to ask though.... why the white cable ? is that for the telephone line ?
Exactly right Idris. This installation had specific instructions that I should use blue cable for the data and white cable for the Telephone lines. When you do contracted installations for other companies, you'll find that's a common requirement to use certain cable colors. Thanks for the compliments. I think the video has helped out a lot of people and that's been rewarding. :)
thanks Jose. Anyone who does this work as much as I do gets it. Every industry has dirty little secrets that the consumers would be appalled if they knew about. thanks for commenting 😄
@NetworkAdvisor , Awesome video!!! Thank you. Question... do you know why the T568B wiring pattern displayed on the patch panel you used (BR,WBR,G,WG,O,WO,B,WB) doesn't actually match up (in order from left to right) with the T568B wiring pattern used in general for the connectors? (WO,O,WG,B,WB,G,WBR,BR) Is this common with all patch panels? To be different? I mean, If it's T568B, why would they not just follow the same left to right color wiring pattern order... as we've learned it in general? Just curious... as I'm trying to learn.
Right. Funny, I never realized how that might be confusing to someone not familiar. So with patch panels you almost always punch down pairs in color order (blue, orange, green, brown). What you don't see is that the 568B mapping is happening between the punch and the gold pins in the front. It's not a one-for-one mapping front to back. Hope that makes sense? 😄
Why use conventional patch panel vs what I would consider more modern keystone patch panel? Also gotta smile at all the people who give you gruff for throwing away a tiny piece of filament into a perfectly cut rectangular trash slot. Great video.
so DJ. I actually agree with you 100%. Those keystone, modular patch panels are the bomb. However, when I made this video, this was a contract installation, so I didn't have a choice over the parts that had to be used. They were supplied to me. Thanks for pointing that out. :)
I have a question for commercial buildings. For commercial places like Walmart or Home Depot they they run the cable in the ceiling without any conduit. Can I do the same for a church that has the open ceiling like home depot?
You can. I think it’s a matter of aesthetics. As far as I know, there’s no law against it, just for cya, I would bend the ear of a local electrician in your area just to be sure there’s no weird codes against such s thing.
That white cable was also a Category 5e (network grade) cable. Because this location wanted an analog voice port at each jack location, I used white as a visual indicator for the voice cables.
There's usually all kinds of stuff up there, like sprinkler lines and other plumbing, duct work, conduit with power wires, etc. Even really shallow ceiling tiles usually have more than just insulation (the enemy of all who work in ceilings or crawl spaces ...well that and sharp duct work).
That has nothing to do with what I pointed out. He literally said, "there is nothing up there. If you've ever put your head up there, it's _usually_ just empty space". I pointed out that it's usually _not_ empty space. So by your idiotic assumption that I wanted an entire course in one video is stupid! I'm just the guy pointing out what should be obvious and your the idiot with no logic so you have use reductio ad absurdum.
I did actually agree with you...not sure why you had to be so offensive? Secondly Mr Cable guy here was explaining the difference between a dropped ceiling in an office environment and say your home which is drywall, vapor barrier, batt or blow-in insulation and possibly a crawlspace. He did actually say there is stuff up there, but generally it's easy access to run the cable. Plus the last job I did aside from some 4" ductwork for the vent and a fluorescent light in the middle of the room, the whole dropped ceiling space was clear, therefore I beg to differ and every jobsite is different depending on the construction. Lastly if your going to spout latin at someone be wary of the "straw man argument"
Dude you make great videos. I am currently taking my Cisco 1 course and a unix linux certification course and this gives me a good idea of what I will be doing in the work force
good for you. CCNA is a great way to get your foot in the door with IT/Telecom/Network companies. I hear people say Cisco is old and tired. But, regardless, IOS command line is still the gold standard! Good luck! :-)
I think you got a great video and it's very informative except for the trash in the wall deal. I don't mean to be a troll, but I am going to call you out on it. As an electrical mechanic, I always carried the box that my Outlets or devices came in with me that way I can put the trash in the box and dispose of it when I was done rather than just littering it into the wall whether anyone was going to see it or not. Work should always be done clean and you mentioned that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Good Tradesmen always clean up after themselves!
I did this stuff day in and day out like you do. I always kept a clean work space. If one day if the GC catches you doing this shit, then he will probably let you know how disrespectful it is.
Thanks for the explanation and paying attention to explaining the details, I'm fan of networking and wiring and all but bit skittish when it comes to terminating cables.
Great video. I got 1 question. If i want the same setup to also supply internet to all the rooms, will it work in same cable? Or i need to do separate wiring.?
I used to have to make trips to the trash can or bring one with me. Now I just have a little container attached to the back of my belt that I dispose of this stuff in. No putting the stuff in the wall is just a personal thing but I don't hold it against anyone for doing that, no harm no foul. Also learned a slight tweak in the video that'll speed up my work a little.
Great idea. I'll have to consider that! Funny thing about this. At the time I was making this video, I had absolutely NO IDEA it would be this popular. Had I known, I might have approached the production quite differently. 95% of the time I dispose of my cable trash in the appropriate place. It just so happened this location was brand new and had NO trash cans anywhere. Ironically, the "trash-in-wall" episode has actually been responsible for about 30% of the comments on this video. So, maybe it was a good thing. ;-) Thanks for commenting!
I think I get it now. Would you, for example, go from the patch panel to a switch and then to any other devices on a network eg a printer or a file server? Please correct me if I’m wrong
@@ItzFitz yes, from the wall you go to the patch and from there to the correct switch. This is ideal if you have multiple networks and even multiple sockets in the wall, simple setups mostly benefit from it when you need to replace the switch, but this way you always know that the path to wall socket A1 goes to patch A1 and so on, so it's very easy to change the whole setup if needed without special tools or spending a lot of time to figure out the wiring inside the walls
"to all you trolls calling me out on throwing trash in the wall" My dad taught me "have pride in the work you do". Did you skip that lesson in life? That laziness and attitude stereotypes all us tech guys and is the reason why I won't sub out wiring to "help" somebody because you talked about saving time, well you don't save no time being lazy not carrying a small plastic bag with you to toss in the trash can rather than walking back and forth, as you claim, to the trash can. I mean you're doing this for a CUSTOMER. I can see cutting corners and being lazy for non-paid friend/family work. I finished a wiring job earlier this week and the guy helping me saw the ceiling tile mess then found the vacuum at the business, turned it on and cleaned that up even though the customer told us not to worry about it. That extra 5 minutes made us look less lazy than you. Call me a troll in response which I have no problem you calling me that but I'd rather be called a troll for calling you out than a customer calling me lazy.
Lol, you do know that those wires will probably never be seen until they break down the walls again, which could be YEARS from when he threw the wires in there... The tiny 1-2 inch pieces of wire is the least of anyone's worries.
@@UrAdversary do you run a red light if no one is there? Typically no because people have integrity. Same principle applies, no one will ever see the rubbish thrown into the wall, except you. It just feels more professional and would make me feel prideful of my work if I clean up my own mess, regardless if others will ever know or care
@@TheEphemeris actually I do run red lights when no one is around, lol. And that's another good example for me, who is it affecting? No one. It doesn't hurt anyone so I'll continue to do it
Could be wrong but is it something to do with if you have aircon circulating in the space? (Pushing air through?) Just taking a guess as not sure either.
The caps on the patch panels are so the next guy doesn't short out pairs. And I'm glad I wasn't the only one in awe of throwing trash into the customer's walls.
the funny thing is, I don't usually do that. But this place had no trash cans. The best part of all is that simple act combined with the commented reactions have greatly contributed to the high ranking of this video!! :-D And, thanks for your comments.
Network Advisor It's all good everyone has been guilty of something like that. I always use a box from the equipment I install on site as a trash. Then the customer doesn't have to clean after me. But I like that people are taking the time to show new guys different types of set ups around the world. I've thought about it but I'm no good at that type of stuff.
I appreciate it Logan. I make these videos to help out the DIY'ers and aspiring Telecom/Network wanabees. I know for myself I get tremendous value from YT videos and other Internet postings on topics that I have no clue about. That has saved me mucho money and time. So, this is my way of doing my part for anyone who want to know about Telecom/IT/Networking. Thanks for writing back. :-)
Thank you Matthew. I see what you mean. No, I would never leave something looking like that. It's that Fish-eye camera lens that causing that to appear that way.
As a contractor (not an employee) the average rate for southeastern U.S. markets is about $45-70 USD per hour. As an employee installer working for a company you might make $17-25/hr. Now in that video, it was not an hourly assignment. It was a flat contracted price (I can’t share that). 😊
I noticed on the punch-downs for the patch panel that you had a moderate length of wire untwisted, cable side (at least on the close up of that first one anyway). Has that ever led to any cross-talk issues / how much untwisted length can you have before it becomes a problem? Thanks for the vid, it was informative.
hey, thanks for commenting. The jobs get priced out one of three ways: 1. Price per jack location (typically $80 US for a single outlet) 2. paid by the hour, plus cost of materials 3. Flat fee for entire job. Each method can be profitable for someone who's experienced. I wouldn't say you would get rich in this business, but if you're experienced and you hustle, you can get close to 6-figures (US dollars). A lot depends on your market and how well the economy is doing. Are you in this field?
Yeah n/p man, I always try to do per-hour / cost of per-run w/ terminating. Why yes, yes I am. I do network installs as well tv's, server/network racks, CCTV and a few other things.
Network Advisor Sure. It was just created a few days ago and I only have one video so far.......looking forward to posting many more soon. I do cabling in many cities of Los Angeles County. I haven't gotten into installs yet. I pretty much terminate and do cable management as a subcontractor. My channel is titled the same as my name: LV Cable Technologies. Thanks for asking!
RJ45 is the designation from Bell Labs for a data line with a programming resistor terminated with a keyed 8P8C , it's a misnomer that's used so commonly that the definition has essentially changed to mean an Ethernet modular plug.
Exactly, sir. Sounds like you've been around the Telecom block. My father was a Bell guy back before the divestiture. He said a lot of the "Craft" has morphed into things like that (i.e. calling 8p8c nodular plugs as "RJ-45". ). Appreciate your input. 😁
Very professional (even explained your mistakes - it happens!) and I'd hire you any day. great primer video and cheered me up reading the trolls comments.....love to take one of those clowns with me on a jobsite. Try re-terminating 300+ circuits in a large building after redressing the 40 feet of excess slack in the ceiling tray, re-label both ends and continuity test. Then you can bitch about the correct procedure to get rid of waste. I've had professional contractors leave more mess in a finished area than the construction crew did during renovations...
+Andrew Carr sounds like you’re a veteran of the industry Andrew. I appreciate feed back from a qualified source! In a perfect world where the master contractors paid a more respectable amount for the jobs, then I bet everyone would happily go the extra effort. But the cold reality is that the reason we enjoy the affordable material wealth in this country is because corporate business is constantly cutting corners and looking for the cheaper alternative. Thanks for commenting! :-)
Those grates in the ceiling look like those used in a plenum HVAC system. Which by code requires plenum rated cable... so doesn’t look like this installation is to code
For the people who say, don't use the wall as a trashbin, I ask them to remove the tiling in their house and see how much trash was left behind from either plumbers or electricity installers, especially if you do not have a basement / crawl space where everything passes through lol. But it's funny that you mentioned the wall trash :)
For some reason, I always thought that 568a on one end needs to be 568b on the other end. Oh and, after I finished my basement, I can say that there is plenty of dust and particulates in those walls that a few tiny bits of non-fiction tossed in won't make any difference to anyone - even the neat freaks. Once the covers are on, you still pass the white glove test.
Question - in a home where there is a minimal service loop available and the cables are terminated with an rj45 connector instead of a patch panel, how do you run new cables for extra slack to punch down to a patch panel? Don't want to poke new holes if there's an easy way
hmm.. that tricky Daniel. What we sometime do is use the old cable as a "pull string" for the new cable. This can work well in a commercial environment where the cable path is fairly predictable. However, in a home that idea may not work so well. the other idea I see done when the cables are to short near router/switch area is to put the patch panel in the attic space and then run long patch cords from that patch panel (in the attic) down to the router/switch equipment. Good luck. :-D
Hi, i work as a network engineer in one service provider company, we use field technicians to support our L1 installations, i never have a chance to experience onsite installations from behind the computer display (supporting only L2 and L3), so i would like to say thank you for this experience and other ones provided in your videos. :)
You're quite welcome. :-)
it's pretty awesome stuff to see a data centre or telco rack being installed. From a bare hunk of metal to cable runs, dressing the rack with various hardware and powering up the equipment. When you go online and hit "Google" I still get that warm fuzzy feeling :-)
+Andrew Carr indeed
wawu das wonderful
Great video man.
I am a network engineer and what you are doing now is how I began in IT. Your work is where it all begins and essential to the whole setup.
Brought back memories of having to use the "fish sticks" and going through some weird places in some old buildings in SF just to reach the MPOE
Keep it up brother.
appreciate it sir. Wish I didn't have to still pull cable, but that the life of a contractor.
Thanks for commenting! :-)
The cover caps are needed no matter if you do the wiring right or not. They are made to keep the dust out of the connections. If you do not it will cause static in your lines then it will cause data loss as to slower speeds. Just like in an old turn dial radio that has not been used for a while. When you turn the volume up and down you get SNAP CRACKLE POP. That is caused by dust between the plates of the volume control. Great video, keep up the great work.
When people picking on how u threw the wire, but I think your whole video is just awesome!
Thanks Derek. It's ok about the criticism. The internet world is loaded with trolls. I'm so glad so many people are being helped by the information I am providing.
Thanks for commenting! :-)
This is a great video. I do tech support over the phone and so it's great to see the physical networking side of things for once. Extremely helpful. Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback Garrison. 👍😊
I recently started wiring my house house up with cat6. It was made in the 50s and when pulling cables through the attic I noticed it was littered with ancient bits of telephone cables and old mating blocks. And I wasn't upset, it was more interesting than anything.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the year 2040 when someone finds some old cat5 twisted pairs in the wall there's a pretty good chance they'll just smile and remember how things used to be while they're putting in fancy new optical-to-the-desk wall plates (that still terminate differently from vendor to vendor because some things never change).
Ah ha ha ha... interesting perspective, Mike. I think that way too. Good luck with your project! 😁
Just do not apply any simple mistake you have seen and appreciate the knowledge the Vlogger has shared to us. Thanks Network Advisor!
Lol I wathed this and thought: did he really just used that hole as a trashcan? Continued watching and laughed when you mentioned it. Nice vid.
+Tom V. Thanks. You know what is so funny Tom, is that one little event is responsible for about half the comments left on this video. I don't think I could have planned something more effective for boosting the popularity. :-)
nice one, Mike Tyson.
Satellite and internet techs do it as well.
@@NetworkAdvisor hey
Thank you Sir ! This was really useful and helpful to see as an actual thing. Take care .
Thanks for the feedback. Glad that was useful for you. 👍😊
Hey man I noticed something with your service loop. I was at an office one day with severe water damage from a construction site one floor above. Basically the floor above was completely flooded over night due to a main water pipe that broke unnoticed. So lots of water came down to that office from the sealing and their network infrastructure was destroyed. Water was slowly running along those Cat cables directly into the patch panels at the top of their racks and then dripped on all the switches, servers, telephone system and their router below. Having a service loop like that probably would have saved some of those devices. So this is a pretty cool idea for several reasons 👍
Oh great point. That’s definitely something I worry about with Outside plant cable as they traverse from outdoors to inside. I have to say that in many years of installing infrastructure, I’ve only run into water events twice. And in both cases, they only affected one outlet. Thanks for pointing that out! 😊
@@NetworkAdvisor Indeed it is rare. But when it happens, its bad haha
I understand 100% why you toss the rubbish in the wall, but it hurts my OCD ;)
thankyou for the video, that service loop is a very good idea that I will use :)
This was very helpful. I'm a student and have a big project on how a company lan is actually done so I found this very helpful.
That’s great. Good luck! 😊
Very informative. Thank you very much, I am an aspiring network engineer and your videos help me a lot 🤝
Lol most of those comments are about dumping useless stuff into that hole while probably no one will never ever care about. So im gonna comment about the knowledge he shared for free - thank you sir! Thats a nice piece of advice for people with releated questions. Again, thank you!
I laughed when you threw the cut cable into the wall, clearly you've been doing this for a while, so props to you. I've encountered so many situations where there is no service loop, ever try punching down on a 48 port patch with no wiggle room to pull the patch out? Pain in the ass! Hopefully people watch this and pick up good habits
Oh man, Chris. Have I ever been there with you. Obviously, you get it. And you're trying to make changes in a data cabinet with no slack you're like "OK, what was the guy who put this in thinking?"
Really appreciated the feedback and comments!
I suppose the simplest solution in a situation like that would be to test the cable, cut it back, and patch it into a keystone jack. It will introduce another point of error and be a bit messy, but a lot faster than running a new cable (depending on distance of course). Although, it would have been far easier for the installer to leave a few feet of service cable.
Possibly the same guy who put the trash in his pocket. Clean floor but poor installation :-)
Nice video, was relaxing to watch. Those keystone jacks seem very well made. I was like everyone and spotted you dumping the cut offs inside the wall. End of the day no one is going to see it, and it's expected of all workmen ha.
Personally I'd just carry a small bag with me and dump them in there. You never know when someone seeing you be that little bit more professional could help, but end of the day it's not a game changing issue, it's more of a personal thing.
I love the keystone jacks and if you have the money to do Belden installations you'll love them even more, about 1/2 the time to install and punch down, and they have a handy dandy automatic crimping tool for the pros.
I rarely leave comments unless I'm trolling, but thank you for making this video and this entire channel. I am a very new IT field technician and your content helps me to grow and understand. Subscribed because you rock!
Great, glad I could help. If you're an up and coming IT pro, you might like my other channel too - DIY Telecom ua-cam.com/users/DIYTelecom
Good luck! :-D
SampleTextLensFlare plz don't listen or follow anything this hack is showing he doesn't know what he's doing.
Robo, this simplest way to get into this business is call a small, local Telecom or Network installation business and as them if they need help pulling cable. Once you start there, if you show some initiative, you can go pretty far without ever setting foot in a classroom. Most of what we learn is "on the job training". Good luck. :)
absolutely true, if you show abilities to learn this way the work will follow.
Very useful. Many thanks. Do a lot of configuration but never actually made the cable runs. Now I want to expand the network in my home and plan to do it myself this time.
Good deal Dominic. I don't think I mentioned it, but a good place to buy reliable materials (jacks, cable, patch panel) is monoprice dot com. I don't have any incentive to recommend them. Just saying.
Good luck! :-D
Nice video. altough i already know most of the information, staying a bit up to date with what other people do is always nice. Youre one of the few videos i actuallywatch from start to end
+7249xxl well, that's quite a compliment. Thanks you! :-)
Network Advisor dont mention it. Youre not shitting about yiu just do your work and explain why you do it the way you do. Thats natural teaching
You are tops! I am teaching myself to punch down a patch panel I purchased along with a roll of cable and cable making kit. I'm sure I will get there with your help. Rock on NA!!!
Respectful man, I truly appreciate you sharing this information.
OMG...I cannot BELIEVE some of these comments! Ranging from where he throws the cable shavings (which is more common than people think) to where he installs the cabinet...HE DID AN ABSOLUTELY PROFESSIONAL JOB!!!
+Garden of Grey well, I’ll take the appreciation where I can get it!!
Thank you very much. :-)
😅I enjoyed watching this video from start to end. Very informative . Especially the part where I learnt to throw the little pieces of wire inside the dry wall instead of the trash can 😅
Hi Vincent. Thanks for watching! 😃
I really appreciate this video. I'll probably watch it multiple times
Really glad I came across this video. Very well explained and easy to understand..
thanks for the feedback. Just glad I can help people out.
very well explained with a practical example. Thank you!
You are genius, man. I like the way you show how it is done. Thumbs up!
+Huanyu Liu wonderful, thank you for the compliment. My pleasure to help!
Very informative video, but i must comment on the trash in the wall. As a Commercial General Contractor, that has always been a pet peeve with me, especially when i have opened up walls and found pee bottles among many other things. But that is just my rant..carry on, really appreciate the knowledge you share.
Awesome video...easy to understand...no fluff...nicely done!
i viewed lots o f videos but yours is very detailed VERY VERY detailed..Thanks! learned a lot !!
I toss it in the wall to, doing over 200+ and picking/sweeping up after your done is a lot more work. Nice and neat 👍👍
ahhh.... someone who gets it. Thanks for chiming-in. And, thanks for watching! :)
Great video sir! Thanks for sharing. People making negative comments about you tossing a few wires in the wall.......come on folks. Really?
Thanks Aaron! It's ok, the downers are always out there. I'd be willing to be donuts though that many of those posting negative things are not independent telecom contractors. If they realized how tough it was to make a buck out there as an independent, then they would appreciate why every shortcut you can take is vital. Best of luck to you. Thanks for commenting! :-D
Nice video and some good info, I have had problems mounting equipment in racks that the drop cables "service loop" is in the way. A better alternative is to keep the loop at the very top of the cage and utilize the space behind the patch panel and not to tie it to the back rails.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was informative and helpful and I appreciate you taking the time to show how something like this is done.
How difficult is fishing the wire through the walls?
Jake, fishing cable through walls can be not-too-bad if the wall is hollow. However, if there is insulation or horizontal trusses, it can get very frustrating.
Excellent video. Get yourself a 'Cyclops' cable stripper - really cool bit of kit that I use every day. 🙂
Hmmm. Have to check it out. Thanks for the heads up. 🤔
Cool, I'm in IT but I've never been exposed to this side of networking before this video.
I pmuch feel like this work is essentially done via contract work for the vast majority of business? For obvious reasons, but it was interesting to watch.
Subbed and shared and looking forward to more!
Thank you Prot. Yes, most companies out source the cabling infrastructure. It can be dirty, sweaty work. If I was a senior IT staffer, I wouldn’t want to do it. And, this video is exactly what you said - I was sub-contracted for this job. For a nationwide medical franchise. 😁
I like ur video of wiring network. really its helpful for beginner...
that's great to hear. Glad I could help. :-)
First of thanks to reply
Actually I m new in this professional
So I need help how to connect patch panel,WLC n LIU
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Totally awesome. The book does not teach this. THANK YOU!
Thanks Gia. Glad I could provide an extra perspective. 😊
I like how you tossed the trash into the outlet! :P
Spoke too soon lol. I agree with you, too. :D
thank you! there's a big difference between what you learn (lab, apprenticeship, tech school) versus what you do in the field when you've been doing this for ages.
That is what the hole in the wall is made for lol I do that same thing 90% of the time.
Isn't that how you do insulation?
I thought it was spare parts?
Same difference.
It was just getting interesting when the video finished. I wished you had recorded the whole remaining process of this installation.
+Naziru Adam hi Naziru. Glad you liked it. It's always a balancing act with youtube videos. "Shorter is better". Longer videos tend not tonget watched. Or, if they do, they aren't finished.
The goal of this video was just to give a quick-and-rough idea of the steps needed to install the wiring infrastructure. Is there something in particular you think I left out?
Sure you are right about the video length. I was just kind of wondering if it would include installing the server, switch and other stuff like that...anyway, the video was quite informative and straight forward.
Naziru Adam OK.. maybe I'll make a part two that covers the network setup basic like routers, switches and file servers. :-)
excellent video. I personally omit that patch-panel part whenever possible, it reduces one point of failure. I rather connect cables directly to switches. It really helped me a lot to find problems in network.
One of the best well-explained videos I have seen in a long time :) Thank you ... I've got a few questions to ask though.... why the white cable ? is that for the telephone line ?
Exactly right Idris. This installation had specific instructions that I should use blue cable for the data and white cable for the Telephone lines. When you do contracted installations for other companies, you'll find that's a common requirement to use certain cable colors.
Thanks for the compliments. I think the video has helped out a lot of people and that's been rewarding. :)
he real professional no time to waste and if you guys dont know theres already trash in there that makes no difference
thanks Jose. Anyone who does this work as much as I do gets it. Every industry has dirty little secrets that the consumers would be appalled if they knew about.
thanks for commenting 😄
Great Video with lot of information within perfect amount of time.
Thanks Raj. Yep, I know when I go looking for information, I want quick & easy. Don't bore me with a lot of background information. :)
@NetworkAdvisor , Awesome video!!! Thank you. Question... do you know why the T568B wiring pattern displayed on the patch panel you used (BR,WBR,G,WG,O,WO,B,WB) doesn't actually match up (in order from left to right) with the T568B wiring pattern used in general for the connectors? (WO,O,WG,B,WB,G,WBR,BR) Is this common with all patch panels? To be different? I mean, If it's T568B, why would they not just follow the same left to right color wiring pattern order... as we've learned it in general? Just curious... as I'm trying to learn.
Right. Funny, I never realized how that might be confusing to someone not familiar.
So with patch panels you almost always punch down pairs in color order (blue, orange, green, brown). What you don't see is that the 568B mapping is happening between the punch and the gold pins in the front. It's not a one-for-one mapping front to back. Hope that makes sense? 😄
Why use conventional patch panel vs what I would consider more modern keystone patch panel? Also gotta smile at all the people who give you gruff for throwing away a tiny piece of filament into a perfectly cut rectangular trash slot. Great video.
so DJ. I actually agree with you 100%. Those keystone, modular patch panels are the bomb. However, when I made this video, this was a contract installation, so I didn't have a choice over the parts that had to be used. They were supplied to me.
Thanks for pointing that out. :)
great vid, explained well. thanks
+NikoPrimitif thanks for the feedback.
I have a question for commercial buildings. For commercial places like Walmart or Home Depot they they run the cable in the ceiling without any conduit. Can I do the same for a church that has the open ceiling like home depot?
You can. I think it’s a matter of aesthetics. As far as I know, there’s no law against it, just for cya, I would bend the ear of a local electrician in your area just to be sure there’s no weird codes against such s thing.
@@NetworkAdvisor thank you
Nice vid, appropriate pace and helpful shooting technique. I guess a GoPro has been used! Thanks a lot.
Thank you so much for this video. One question: what was the white cable coming out of the wall?
That white cable was also a Category 5e (network grade) cable. Because this location wanted an analog voice port at each jack location, I used white as a visual indicator for the voice cables.
@@NetworkAdvisor I thought so! Thanks so much for replying and thanks for all these videos!!!!! You’re amazing. 🙂
Thanks 😊, So much.
I hope you Successfully always, InshAllah.
Thank you Sarmad. 😊
There's usually all kinds of stuff up there, like sprinkler lines and other plumbing, duct work, conduit with power wires, etc. Even really shallow ceiling tiles usually have more than just insulation (the enemy of all who work in ceilings or crawl spaces ...well that and sharp duct work).
true but this was a small primer video not a 1 days class on how to run cable
That has nothing to do with what I pointed out. He literally said, "there is nothing up there. If you've ever put your head up there, it's _usually_ just empty space". I pointed out that it's usually _not_ empty space. So by your idiotic assumption that I wanted an entire course in one video is stupid! I'm just the guy pointing out what should be obvious and your the idiot with no logic so you have use reductio ad absurdum.
I did actually agree with you...not sure why you had to be so offensive? Secondly Mr Cable guy here was explaining the difference between a dropped ceiling in an office environment and say your home which is drywall, vapor barrier, batt or blow-in insulation and possibly a crawlspace. He did actually say there is stuff up there, but generally it's easy access to run the cable. Plus the last job I did aside from some 4" ductwork for the vent and a fluorescent light in the middle of the room, the whole dropped ceiling space was clear, therefore I beg to differ and every jobsite is different depending on the construction.
Lastly if your going to spout latin at someone be wary of the "straw man argument"
Good Job Sir, thanks for uploading. Really helped a lot.
Dude you make great videos. I am currently taking my Cisco 1 course and a unix linux certification course and this gives me a good idea of what I will be doing in the work force
good for you. CCNA is a great way to get your foot in the door with IT/Telecom/Network companies. I hear people say Cisco is old and tired. But, regardless, IOS command line is still the gold standard!
Good luck! :-)
I think you got a great video and it's very informative except for the trash in the wall deal. I don't mean to be a troll, but I am going to call you out on it. As an electrical mechanic, I always carried the box that my Outlets or devices came in with me that way I can put the trash in the box and dispose of it when I was done rather than just littering it into the wall whether anyone was going to see it or not. Work should always be done clean and you mentioned that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Good Tradesmen always clean up after themselves!
I love your video! Great Job!
Thank you Michael. 😊
God bless you my friend! Amazing video! I do feel sorry for your arm having to hold the camera and doing this single handed!
+Ainul Ahmed thank you. Actually, the camera was mounted on my head for most of that video. :-)
Good stuff bro am learning all of this stuff.
Wonderful. Thanks for chiming in. 😄
THANKS man, this is helpful
Very Knowledgable and helpful..!!!
I did this stuff day in and day out like you do. I always kept a clean work space. If one day if the GC catches you doing this shit, then he will probably let you know how disrespectful it is.
Thanks for the explanation and paying attention to explaining the details, I'm fan of networking and wiring and all but bit skittish when it comes to terminating cables.
+Zeze Andjr we've all been there at one time. Your first few terminations will be crappy. Just accept it.
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good to have those patch panels having indicators to check T568 A and B
in the case they dont have what would you do
Great video. I got 1 question. If i want the same setup to also supply internet to all the rooms, will it work in same cable? Or i need to do separate wiring.?
I used to have to make trips to the trash can or bring one with me. Now I just have a little container attached to the back of my belt that I dispose of this stuff in. No putting the stuff in the wall is just a personal thing but I don't hold it against anyone for doing that, no harm no foul. Also learned a slight tweak in the video that'll speed up my work a little.
Great idea. I'll have to consider that!
Funny thing about this. At the time I was making this video, I had absolutely NO IDEA it would be this popular. Had I known, I might have approached the production quite differently. 95% of the time I dispose of my cable trash in the appropriate place. It just so happened this location was brand new and had NO trash cans anywhere.
Ironically, the "trash-in-wall" episode has actually been responsible for about 30% of the comments on this video. So, maybe it was a good thing. ;-)
Thanks for commenting!
I’m new to networking but love it. My main question is what really is a patch panel for? Would it not be better to just use a switch?
I think I get it now. Would you, for example, go from the patch panel to a switch and then to any other devices on a network eg a printer or a file server? Please correct me if I’m wrong
@@ItzFitz yes, from the wall you go to the patch and from there to the correct switch. This is ideal if you have multiple networks and even multiple sockets in the wall, simple setups mostly benefit from it when you need to replace the switch, but this way you always know that the path to wall socket A1 goes to patch A1 and so on, so it's very easy to change the whole setup if needed without special tools or spending a lot of time to figure out the wiring inside the walls
Excellent video ..and really really helpful, thanks !!! your install looks very professional
"to all you trolls calling me out on throwing trash in the wall"
My dad taught me "have pride in the work you do". Did you skip that lesson in life?
That laziness and attitude stereotypes all us tech guys and is the reason why I won't sub out wiring to "help" somebody because you talked about saving time, well you don't save no time being lazy not carrying a small plastic bag with you to toss in the trash can rather than walking back and forth, as you claim, to the trash can.
I mean you're doing this for a CUSTOMER. I can see cutting corners and being lazy for non-paid friend/family work. I finished a wiring job earlier this week and the guy helping me saw the ceiling tile mess then found the vacuum at the business, turned it on and cleaned that up even though the customer told us not to worry about it. That extra 5 minutes made us look less lazy than you.
Call me a troll in response which I have no problem you calling me that but I'd rather be called a troll for calling you out than a customer calling me lazy.
thank you for the very thorough and thoughtful comment. And, thanks for watching! :-)
Lol, you do know that those wires will probably never be seen until they break down the walls again, which could be YEARS from when he threw the wires in there... The tiny 1-2 inch pieces of wire is the least of anyone's worries.
@@UrAdversary do you run a red light if no one is there? Typically no because people have integrity. Same principle applies, no one will ever see the rubbish thrown into the wall, except you. It just feels more professional and would make me feel prideful of my work if I clean up my own mess, regardless if others will ever know or care
@@TheEphemeris actually I do run red lights when no one is around, lol. And that's another good example for me, who is it affecting? No one. It doesn't hurt anyone so I'll continue to do it
@@TheEphemeris Run a red light when no one is there? Absolutely. What, do you just sit there by yourself like a goon?
Thanks for the video, great job. Quick question, approximately how much does someone charge for a small office cable drop?
Thanks.
CompTIA says you need to use Plenum grade wire when going into air spaces such as drop down ceilings or floors?
Could be wrong but is it something to do with if you have aircon circulating in the space? (Pushing air through?) Just taking a guess as not sure either.
None Given I think so but I guess it's more a "code" thing for building inspectors and city ordinances.
@mr mike Hi, it really depends on the type of role you decide to enter into. If your job requires this type of work then you may have to.
The caps on the patch panels are so the next guy doesn't short out pairs. And I'm glad I wasn't the only one in awe of throwing trash into the customer's walls.
the funny thing is, I don't usually do that. But this place had no trash cans. The best part of all is that simple act combined with the commented reactions have greatly contributed to the high ranking of this video!! :-D
And, thanks for your comments.
Network Advisor It's all good everyone has been guilty of something like that. I always use a box from the equipment I install on site as a trash. Then the customer doesn't have to clean after me.
But I like that people are taking the time to show new guys different types of set ups around the world. I've thought about it but I'm no good at that type of stuff.
I appreciate it Logan. I make these videos to help out the DIY'ers and aspiring Telecom/Network wanabees. I know for myself I get tremendous value from YT videos and other Internet postings on topics that I have no clue about. That has saved me mucho money and time.
So, this is my way of doing my part for anyone who want to know about Telecom/IT/Networking.
Thanks for writing back. :-)
is the cabinet un-level or is it just the angle of the camera? I think you did a wonderful job by the way :)
Thank you Matthew. I see what you mean. No, I would never leave something looking like that. It's that Fish-eye camera lens that causing that to appear that way.
Thanks 😊❤️😘 for making a helpful video.
Thank you for letting me know you found it helpful 😃
Awesome video sir!
hey thanks Rommel. Glad I could help. :-)
Thank you for a great explanation.
It all makes sense now :D
WHen you see it all kinda laid out from start to finish, it helps you get that's its not so mysterious, right? :-)
@@NetworkAdvisor @ yes that is so true. :)
Thank you for sharing🙏🏻
Btw, how much would one get paid to do that work as u showed in the video?
As a contractor (not an employee) the average rate for southeastern U.S. markets is about $45-70 USD per hour. As an employee installer working for a company you might make $17-25/hr.
Now in that video, it was not an hourly assignment. It was a flat contracted price (I can’t share that). 😊
I noticed on the punch-downs for the patch panel that you had a moderate length of wire untwisted, cable side (at least on the close up of that first one anyway). Has that ever led to any cross-talk issues / how much untwisted length can you have before it becomes a problem? Thanks for the vid, it was informative.
Good money in doing that. do you go by foot or just a cost of run and terminating?
hey, thanks for commenting. The jobs get priced out one of three ways:
1. Price per jack location (typically $80 US for a single outlet)
2. paid by the hour, plus cost of materials
3. Flat fee for entire job.
Each method can be profitable for someone who's experienced. I wouldn't say you would get rich in this business, but if you're experienced and you hustle, you can get close to 6-figures (US dollars). A lot depends on your market and how well the economy is doing.
Are you in this field?
Yeah n/p man, I always try to do per-hour / cost of per-run w/ terminating.
Why yes, yes I am. I do network installs as well tv's, server/network racks, CCTV and a few other things.
( . Y . ) I'd like to do this in the N.Y. area not experienced how'd you get training
I love this video! It was very well put together. Thanks for sharing! Subscribed.....
+LV Cable Technologies - Aaron Davis thanks Aaron. Appreciate the feedback. If you have a channel, tell us about it here.
Network Advisor Sure. It was just created a few days ago and I only have one video so far.......looking forward to posting many more soon.
I do cabling in many cities of Los Angeles County. I haven't gotten into installs yet. I pretty much terminate and do cable management as a subcontractor.
My channel is titled the same as my name:
LV Cable Technologies.
Thanks for asking!
Same thing I do in my voice data class!! Great video
wow, that's quite a compliment. Thanks! :-D
RJ45 is the designation from Bell Labs for a data line with a programming resistor terminated with a keyed 8P8C , it's a misnomer that's used so commonly that the definition has essentially changed to mean an Ethernet modular plug.
Exactly, sir. Sounds like you've been around the Telecom block.
My father was a Bell guy back before the divestiture. He said a lot of the "Craft" has morphed into things like that (i.e. calling 8p8c nodular plugs as "RJ-45". ). Appreciate your input. 😁
You worked hard for this. You gave us a awesome video. Thanks a lot for your tutorial. But I still wonder about that You put all wastes into the hole.
Great and very detailed video !
+Denesha Miles thanks for the feedback! :-)
Very professional (even explained your mistakes - it happens!) and I'd hire you any day. great primer video and cheered me up reading the trolls comments.....love to take one of those clowns with me on a jobsite. Try re-terminating 300+ circuits in a large building after redressing the 40 feet of excess slack in the ceiling tray, re-label both ends and continuity test. Then you can bitch about the correct procedure to get rid of waste. I've had professional contractors leave more mess in a finished area than the construction crew did during renovations...
+Andrew Carr sounds like you’re a veteran of the industry Andrew. I appreciate feed back from a qualified source!
In a perfect world where the master contractors paid a more respectable amount for the jobs, then I bet everyone would happily go the extra effort. But the cold reality is that the reason we enjoy the affordable material wealth in this country is because corporate business is constantly cutting corners and looking for the cheaper alternative.
Thanks for commenting! :-)
i recently underbid on a job, lost money but still did it to the same standard. It's all about reputation.
Awesome! Love it. Thank you.
Appreciate the feedback, Stephen. 😊
I also like how you dispose of the garbage.
Great easy video thanks
tank you teacher ,really i need you ,thanks a lot of your tutorial
Glad I could help. Thanks for the feedback.
Thank you sir from Ogadenia
Those grates in the ceiling look like those used in a plenum HVAC system. Which by code requires plenum rated cable... so doesn’t look like this installation is to code
Where are you located? The plenum space isn't everything that's above the ceiling
i have a 2u hinge bracket in my network cabinet. a keystone 24 port patch panel. and a shelf to hold my router, modem and 18 port switch
Excellent stuff. Thanks for sharing 😄
Calling you out on disposing trash into the wall is not trolling. But otherwise, thank you for these very helpful videos.
Thanks for the call-out. :-)
For the people who say, don't use the wall as a trashbin, I ask them to remove the tiling in their house and see how much trash was left behind from either plumbers or electricity installers, especially if you do not have a basement / crawl space where everything passes through lol.
But it's funny that you mentioned the wall trash :)
For some reason, I always thought that 568a on one end needs to be 568b on the other end. Oh and, after I finished my basement, I can say that there is plenty of dust and particulates in those walls that a few tiny bits of non-fiction tossed in won't make any difference to anyone - even the neat freaks. Once the covers are on, you still pass the white glove test.
MarshmallowMadnesss
Just remember going from 568A to 568B is "crossing over".
brings hella memories back
Thank you for uploading this video 👍🏽
Very nice sir!
thank you Bikash. Glad you found it helpful. :)
Thanks for the video. Very useful.
Great video, really enjoy 👍
Question - in a home where there is a minimal service loop available and the cables are terminated with an rj45 connector instead of a patch panel, how do you run new cables for extra slack to punch down to a patch panel? Don't want to poke new holes if there's an easy way
hmm.. that tricky Daniel. What we sometime do is use the old cable as a "pull string" for the new cable. This can work well in a commercial environment where the cable path is fairly predictable. However, in a home that idea may not work so well.
the other idea I see done when the cables are to short near router/switch area is to put the patch panel in the attic space and then run long patch cords from that patch panel (in the attic) down to the router/switch equipment. Good luck. :-D