Miles' Dogma is sweet! Love that yellow color! As for group rides, I do them every so often, but they're really garbage miles. Too fast to build base fitness, too slow to really hit the high notes of V02. Of course, a lot of people will be maxed out on a ride like this the entire time, which doesn't do anything for them either. I prefer a group ride at about 20mph where I can keep my heart rate down, enjoy talking to the person next to me, and enjoy the scenery. Most of the time though, I just ride by myself so I can stick to my training regimen.
I realized this too that majority of serious training rides are done alone on solo rides. Almost every racer outside of pro world level ride solo to build their base fitness. I remember Luis interviewing someone here whose a crit state champion. She said she primarily rides alone for her majority of training because of the difference in fitness in a group ride and how it could be ineffective for training.
@flippers4298 I'm going to respectfully disagree. If you do the fast group rides once a week then do longer easier rides on Sunday (considering fast groups are trationally on Tuesday) 🙂It's great training and group ride training and being social. I guess it depends. I'm no pro so fast could be good.
@evsta100 I'm not disagreeing just for me as a non-competitive rider the group rides is to test your fitness level by comparison to others. Real training is done solo for fitness. Group rides is for learning to ride with people and if you race tactics like attacks and surge adaptations...energy conservation etc.
Very nice and informative video. It would be nice if you keep the cycling data on the screen all the time. You only had speed and heart rate, but if you can display cadence, elevation and a map too, that will be great👍🏾
Pace lines rules as I learnt decades ago….no brakes (except when stopping/slowing for lights)and always pedal, no freewheeling! Looks like too big a group to stay together. Riding in a real rolling turns/chaingang whatever you call it in your neck of the woods is fun if you’re fit enough to stay in it.
Hi Matt. I agree. 5his just happens to be the dynamic we ended up with after covid as our community really grew. I think of it as a social aerobic workout and they can be fun at times. My riding preference is a group of about 10 sharing the work.
You have a very calm personality. Watching you guys ride makes me want to get in better cycling shape. I got a MTB bike to get back into biking. I think I'll get a hybrid next; not sure about the road bike.
We do these AM rides, and your right, one person can have a 30 rider pack yo yo'ing for a really long ways. This one little french gal, shes a strong rider for her age, she always wants to be towards the front. But she is one scared woman, scared of everything it seems........and yet she does these group rides putting herself and others in danger with her inability to ride a steady pace behind another rider. The faster we go the worse she yo yo's. People are crossing wheels behind her, putting on brakes, and perpetually slowing down and speeding up....which at 23mph is a ton of extra work. Some of us have talked to her, she is combative and wants to hear nothing about anything. Nice enough person, but very frustrating, she always shows up for rides.
Curious, what is a "post-covid cyclist"? I've been hearing this phrase used around. Do you mean people who newly took up cycling during lockdown or cyclists who took a break during lockdown/pandemic and are coming back into it now? Or something else?
Goal should be (fairly) steady effort instead of being obsessed with a steady speed. Aside from winds which nobody can control, that should be easy on flat roads. Obviously takes a little more finessing with power modulation and gearing on hilly terrain, but same applies. If I could afford to buy every cyclist a power meter so they can see in real-time how much energy they waste even just accelerating from a dead stop and the effect of repeated surging on themselves & the group, I would in a heartbeat!
Thanks for watching. To my knowledge, it doesn't have to include everyone in the rotation for it to be called a paceline. But to your point, what would you call a group of cyclists in line riding at a pace? Genuinely curious
I'm loving the content on this channel! I'm curious as to why the rider on the yellow Pinarello @16:41 is just hanging out in the wind? (Unless the head wind is coming slightly from the left?) Sounded like you asked if he wanted to slot in and he shrugged it off.
Again beautiful weather for the ride you show great examples of yo yo-ing in my rides or in training we just didn't have the numbers as you do normally eight to ten riders only rides at 22 to 25 mph every rider holding the wheel in front or a rider will just tail off thank you again i loved the video Keep safe Sir.
Yeah, I'd also like to know more about the builder of her steel bike. @thegoodwheel A link in the description to something about Augustin Hincapie's story would be great.
Hi there. GCN did a feature on him a few years ago. ua-cam.com/video/XdgiJZP505I/v-deo.htmlsi=gWwkHT_I4KpzoFJv As far as I know, he is not involved with Scarab.
we have rolling hills in my area like maybe 1k feet of climbing per 15 miles roughly so none of our rides have a consistent speed, they are just advertised as about a certain avg. speed like 17-18mph, 19-20mph, or 21mph+. The really fast rides avg. about 22.5-24.5 mph and I have to do like 600 watts to keep up on the climbs and I can only do that for so long lol:)
Hi Luis, thanks for the great video. In Myrtle Beach we get visitors with different riding styles, plus the usual range of fitness and group skills. So rotating pacelines are hard with big groups at the B level,. But we do try! We keep an eye out for struggling riders, and try to get them to sit behind bigger and steadier ones. This usually helps! Sometimes we can improve someone's group skills in a single ride - rewarding for them, and for us too.
As far as the yo-yo effect goes. It can definitely become a problem on group rides. The way I've learned to deal with it is not to surge to catch the person/group in front of me. I gradually pick up speed until I've latched back on. However, this technique is not for everyone. Some people can become impatient if they see a gap in front of you and will surge past you(in fear of getting dropped lol) in order to latch back on. Great video Lu!
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What beautiful roads you have Luis, very wide and well asphalted. Here in Italy the roads are ruined and very narrow, and it is also forbidden by law to ride in double rows.
@@thegoodwheel yes please. So cool. Not quite my GoPro LOL. I haven't looked it up yet but very cool especially on the bike. Looking forward to it bro lol Can old guys say bro ONCE 🙂
My guess is either different level of fitness or it's a domino effect at the very front when the stronger riders push a bit more than the weaker riders at the back
Miles' Dogma is sweet! Love that yellow color! As for group rides, I do them every so often, but they're really garbage miles. Too fast to build base fitness, too slow to really hit the high notes of V02. Of course, a lot of people will be maxed out on a ride like this the entire time, which doesn't do anything for them either. I prefer a group ride at about 20mph where I can keep my heart rate down, enjoy talking to the person next to me, and enjoy the scenery. Most of the time though, I just ride by myself so I can stick to my training regimen.
Yeah, he loves that bike. Thanks for sharing👍🏾
I realized this too that majority of serious training rides are done alone on solo rides. Almost every racer outside of pro world level ride solo to build their base fitness.
I remember Luis interviewing someone here whose a crit state champion. She said she primarily rides alone for her majority of training because of the difference in fitness in a group ride and how it could be ineffective for training.
@@bonbonflippers4298 Exactly right.
@flippers4298 I'm going to respectfully disagree. If you do the fast group rides once a week then do longer easier rides on Sunday (considering fast groups are trationally on Tuesday) 🙂It's great training and group ride training and being social. I guess it depends. I'm no pro so fast could be good.
@evsta100 I'm not disagreeing just for me as a non-competitive rider the group rides is to test your fitness level by comparison to others. Real training is done solo for fitness. Group rides is for learning to ride with people and if you race tactics like attacks and surge adaptations...energy conservation etc.
ahh those flat "potholess" roads, making an Atlanta rider jealous
Come up to Mass. lol
Very nice and informative video. It would be nice if you keep the cycling data on the screen all the time. You only had speed and heart rate, but if you can display cadence, elevation and a map too, that will be great👍🏾
Nicely done again Luis.
When group is riding flattish roads (
Well said Kenneth, thanks for sharing👍🏾
Pace lines rules as I learnt decades ago….no brakes (except when stopping/slowing for lights)and always pedal, no freewheeling!
Looks like too big a group to stay together.
Riding in a real rolling turns/chaingang whatever you call it in your neck of the woods is fun if you’re fit enough to stay in it.
Hi Matt. I agree. 5his just happens to be the dynamic we ended up with after covid as our community really grew.
I think of it as a social aerobic workout and they can be fun at times.
My riding preference is a group of about 10 sharing the work.
You have a very calm personality. Watching you guys ride makes me want to get in better cycling shape. I got a MTB bike to get back into biking. I think I'll get a hybrid next; not sure about the road bike.
We do these AM rides, and your right, one person can have a 30 rider pack yo yo'ing for a really long ways.
This one little french gal, shes a strong rider for her age, she always wants to be towards the front.
But she is one scared woman, scared of everything it seems........and yet she does these group rides putting herself and others in danger with her inability to ride a steady pace behind another rider. The faster we go the worse she yo yo's.
People are crossing wheels behind her, putting on brakes, and perpetually slowing down and speeding up....which at 23mph is a ton of extra work.
Some of us have talked to her, she is combative and wants to hear nothing about anything.
Nice enough person, but very frustrating, she always shows up for rides.
Thank you .. I normally ride alone and only in group rides during Grand Fondos .. this will help during my next ride for sure,
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching👍🏾
Does nobody roll their paceline down here? I thought that was the point of that, to sort of take advantage of the accordion.
Curious, what is a "post-covid cyclist"? I've been hearing this phrase used around. Do you mean people who newly took up cycling during lockdown or cyclists who took a break during lockdown/pandemic and are coming back into it now? Or something else?
@aoguchi thanks for watching. It's cyclist who took up the sport at the time of covid.
Goal should be (fairly) steady effort instead of being obsessed with a steady speed. Aside from winds which nobody can control, that should be easy on flat roads. Obviously takes a little more finessing with power modulation and gearing on hilly terrain, but same applies. If I could afford to buy every cyclist a power meter so they can see in real-time how much energy they waste even just accelerating from a dead stop and the effect of repeated surging on themselves & the group, I would in a heartbeat!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts 👍🏾
Have you ever done any bikepacking? Would love to see some content
She was running Sram Etap on her steel bike.The Un-talked about group ride subject: Spitting etiquette. When & where to spit?
Never. Brush your teeth and irrigate your sinus before riding. Don't be nasty.
Nice to see group rides 👍
How is it a paceline if you never rotate to the front? You just seem to have a group of leaders pulling you
Thanks for watching. To my knowledge, it doesn't have to include everyone in the rotation for it to be called a paceline. But to your point, what would you call a group of cyclists in line riding at a pace? Genuinely curious
im seeing a lot of terrible bit fits
It's an unfortunate reality in Post Covid cycling. Thanks for watching 👍🏾
hows my bike fit look? Im at 11:59 with the red frame/white socks.
if she is up for it, I would love to hear the story behind the Hincapie steel frame.
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I'm loving the content on this channel! I'm curious as to why the rider on the yellow Pinarello @16:41 is just hanging out in the wind? (Unless the head wind is coming slightly from the left?) Sounded like you asked if he wanted to slot in and he shrugged it off.
His name is Miles. He was using it as an opportunity to get in a workout. It was rough outside of the paceline.
@@thegoodwheel Aaaah, gotcha! Well, that's one hell of a way to get a workout! 🤣Kudos to him!
Again beautiful weather for the ride you show great examples of yo yo-ing in my rides or in training we just didn't have the numbers as you do normally eight to ten riders only rides at 22 to 25 mph every rider holding the wheel in front or a rider will just tail off thank you again i loved the video Keep safe Sir.
Is her frame from Augustin Hincapie any connection to these scarab, Steel steel bikes that I see from Columbia being advertised ?
Yeah, I'd also like to know more about the builder of her steel bike.
@thegoodwheel A link in the description to something about Augustin Hincapie's story would be great.
Hi there. GCN did a feature on him a few years ago.
ua-cam.com/video/XdgiJZP505I/v-deo.htmlsi=gWwkHT_I4KpzoFJv
As far as I know, he is not involved with Scarab.
What do you do with the peel 😂
Actually, these days I just stuff it back in my pocket until I find a trash bin😳👍🏾
we have rolling hills in my area like maybe 1k feet of climbing per 15 miles roughly so none of our rides have a consistent speed, they are just advertised as about a certain avg. speed like 17-18mph, 19-20mph, or 21mph+. The really fast rides avg. about 22.5-24.5 mph and I have to do like 600 watts to keep up on the climbs and I can only do that for so long lol:)
That last one sounds like a race😂
Hi Luis, thanks for the great video. In Myrtle Beach we get visitors with different riding styles, plus the usual range of fitness and group skills. So rotating pacelines are hard with big groups at the B level,. But we do try! We keep an eye out for struggling riders, and try to get them to sit behind bigger and steadier ones. This usually helps! Sometimes we can improve someone's group skills in a single ride - rewarding for them, and for us too.
That is awesome to hear. I appreciate you sharing that👍🏾
As far as the yo-yo effect goes. It can definitely become a problem on group rides. The way I've learned to deal with it is not to surge to catch the person/group in front of me. I gradually pick up speed until I've latched back on. However, this technique is not for everyone. Some people can become impatient if they see a gap in front of you and will surge past you(in fear of getting dropped lol) in order to latch back on. Great video Lu!
Thanks Cofi. See, those who know... know👍🏾. I know to just stay on your wheel💪🏾
Did anyone else notice her steel bike on the ride? Did they recognize it being from Columbia? Is it some kind of "steel unicorn"?
Yes! Someone pointed it out to me before I even saw it.
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#RobbArmstrong
Thanks Robb! Looking forward to your new bike review👍🏾
@@thegoodwheel I have a Video of it dropping on Saturday “March 3rd” 🙂
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@@robbarmstrong8702 looking forward to it
very interesting video. I've never been in a group ride. thank you for the Strava activity link
Thanks for watching David👍🏾
Cool ride 👍 That Griffin Rd overpass at the end😩
Our best climb👍🏾
What beautiful roads you have Luis, very wide and well asphalted. Here in Italy the roads are ruined and very narrow, and it is also forbidden by law to ride in double rows.
Ciao! We may have better roads, but you have better café👌🏾
@@thegoodwheel 😄 true
Nice vid, how did you do that turnaround at 8:20-8:30 time and up ahead. . I was expecting a selfie stick LOL. Nice.
It's the Insta360. I've got to do a video on the srt up of it👍🏾
@@thegoodwheel yes please. So cool. Not quite my GoPro LOL. I haven't looked it up yet but very cool especially on the bike. Looking forward to it bro lol Can old guys say bro ONCE 🙂
Awesome
Get stronger or get dropped! LMBO!!! :)
Truthy!😂😂😂
Hey Luis....can you post or add the strava for you rides..
I'll add it to the description. Thanks for watching👍🏾
@@thegoodwheel thanks
Huge fan....plus I found you on strava app
I like that vest. Looks sharp
Thanks for watching 👍🏾
So what is the root cause of yo yoing? Letting gaps open?
My guess is either different level of fitness or it's a domino effect at the very front when the stronger riders push a bit more than the weaker riders at the back
I think it is inevitable on these very large group rides. But it can be minimized by attentiveness and a better technique of staying on the wheel.
?? yo yo never heard of it
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Great ride!
Thank you Gianpaolo!