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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- eBay agrees to pay $3 million to settle criminal charges over stalking and harassment of bloggers by high-level employees.
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The rule is clear: if the penalty is just a fine and no jail time, it's just an operating expense for the company
I've been saying this for years. These companies blatantly disregard the law because they know the worst they'll face is some temporary bad PR and miniscule fine. There are no real consequences for corporations.
Yeah, asset seizing should've their punishment.
There was jail time involved, though I would argue *not nearly enough*.
One of them is facing 5 years in jail
@@kiwibread101"one of them" is the problem here
With this and the UK Post Office scandal, I'm increasingly thinking large organizations are structured in a way which rewards psychopathy.
It doesn't necessarily reward it, however, being a sociopath or psychopath makes the game of corporate politics much easier for you
Bingo
The sad thing is it is not exactly rewarded as much as it is simply not punished enough and people just enjoy taking the worse option
the whole system was made by psychopaths for psychopaths mate...
To be fair, the UK post office scandal was an accounting software error, it wasn't malicious. People just thought it was
This complements eBay's range of deadly products nicely. Such an exciting company.
But unfortunately you only tear down one of the two 😂
What up big Clive!
And they feed a cottage industry of yootoobers.
The trickle down economy we were all awaiting. /s
Still loving your work after all these years.
🤣🤣🤣 Big Clive knows what's up..
Can we have a schematic of the Ebays board please Clive?
The fact no one went "hey, maybe we shouldn't do this" is what bothers me the most about this story...
It makes me wonder how many people they did this to that we don't know about, or how many other companies do this kind of stuff. It is a breath of fresh air to see a C-level exec get held responsible for something though.
"I'm just following orders" 😐
It does make me suspect something is rotten in their corporate culture.
I think it bothers me that they got away with relatively little for how awful the crime was. 3 million is nothing, especially from a company as large as ebay. Not to mention only a single person potentially getting 5 years in prison is awful. Honestly I don't think the punishment is large enough to deter this behavior in the future
We don't know nobody objected and was intimidated into acceptance/silence by the psychopaths at the top.
All we can say for sure is that if there were objections, they weren't heeded or made public.
The part I don't get is why Ebay's hostility was so disproportionate. People write critical articles about companies all the time. The typical corporate response is to just roll with it and wait for it to be forgotten about. This escalation would only make sense if they had truly damning evidence that could bankrupt the company.
Agree this is weird
Psychopaths get triggered on weird things. This is just psychopaths who didn't become cops getting upset and letting their rage loose.
Yes, people do. But it also depends on who writes a critical comment, what kind of influence they have, and who is criticized. People online tend to take things to the extreme sometimes. I been through similar so I know from experience.
How to PROVE the critic is correct! 😮
It was probably staff who took it personally, they do have teams monitoring social media.
Apparently eBay is willing to pay for harassing their customers but can't be bothered to pay for dedicated non-AI customers support.
Exactly. I stopped using Ebay because they banned my account twice for simply trying to sell a monitor. I contacted their support and received an automated response. No explanation as to why my account was being banned.
exactly
Don't be crazy that's like 23,000 to 76,000 dollars per employee per year, a Multi billion dollar corporation can't afford that kind of expense
@@DarthAwar Companies used to always afford it before. But when they become monopolies that make billions a year, they can no longer afford real customer support? I don't think so...
@@BristecomImagine missing sarcasm that obvious ⚰️
I genuinely sold products on eBay and every staff i spoke to was genuinely harassing. Taking perfectly normal items down and giving no reason. That place is toxic af.
same, i was a top rated seller and their employees would belittle/degrade me anytime i'd talk to them on the phone.
Same. I stopped selling there years ago, and only occasionally buy something I can't find elsewhere. I won't ever go to that site again after hearing this story.
That's cause they're not allowed to change the email forms they send to customers. It's all Macros. All the staff are allowed to do is confirm that something was taken down correctly, or reverse it.
explains why most items are from china there with a 4 wk delivery and the us items are scams like ps5 boxes that look like its an actual ps5
Luke what do you mean, "How did they get caught" A multibillion-dollar corporation sends dead animals, thugs, and leaves a whole trail of evidence leading all the way back to the very top of the org.
The more accurate question to ask is: "What did the Ebay management think was going to happen?"
The unbelievable levels of incompetence from Ebay's senior staff alone is criminal. WOW!
As I remember, they got caught because one of the employees dropped off dead animal package at their house, and she rented a car to deliver the package. The police traced that car to her and she squealed on everyone else.
Yup, and before that, they had no clue who was doing it but had suspicions it was ebay but no one believed them until the police traced the car back to the employee. That's the only reason they were caught, a rental car paper trail.
Not only that, but now there's precedent to bait ebay into doing the same for a payout.
Imagine only giving five years to the director of Safety and Security for breaking into someone's fucking home.
yes but imagine how many "security guards" injure people DAILY. and if you go to south korea or even here in germany stories like this happen almost daily but its so common that the media doesnt even care talking about it or the corrupt companies control the media or media just doesnt care about the truth
he said "3 employees flew with the intent...", not sure if they actually did it in the end, and pretty sure the director was not one of those people...at the end of the day, everyone's an adult, so if the employees did do it, they would get the punishment
@@R0DSTERThey were caught by the police
They're just luck this was a blue state. Had they done this to someone in Texas then they likely would've wound up dead for breaking and entering into someone's property.
I'm fairly certain they wouldn't try and break in as they had an entire damn shipping industry to use against them. They would just keep sending them shit forever. Still, they got caught in what must be the most hilarious news story of 2024 so far.@@Schmaglow
It sucks that the maximum was 3mil. For such wanton disregard for decency they should owe much more.
They can still sue in civil court for much more. That was just the max for the criminal case
@@dalanoyo that’s still more, expensive, legal proceedings, you shouldn’t have to sue someone twice to punish them appropriately, purely because there’s a stupidly low statutory maximum fine.
@@Coliflower185 It's a criminal case, the government is paying for the legal proceedings. A civil case is where those involved would actually be legally involved
@@Coliflower185 they didn't do anything once. Its a criminal charge, not a civil charge.
3million was a cap on the law when it was created and not afforded for inflation.
There needs to be jail time if you're mailing someone funeral reefs and books about losing spouses. That is a clear death threat to me.
All seven who participated in the harassment have been convicted. Baugh was sentenced to 57 months in prison in September 2022.
David Harvill, director of global resiliency, was sentenced that month to two years in prison; Stephanie Popp, a senior manager of global intelligence, was sentenced in October 2022 to one year in prison; Philip Cook, a senior manager for security operations, was sentenced in July 2021 to 18 months in prison and 12 months of home confinement; Stephanie Stockwell and Veronica Zea, who also worked in the intelligence division, were each sentenced to one year of home confinement in October 2022 and November 2022, respectively.
The final member of the conspiracy, Brian Gilbert, a former senior manager of security operations, has pleaded guilty and is awaiting sentencing.
You're not wrong, but it has to be proven that was the intent. A funeral wreath and a book about losing a spouse isn't technically a threat. If they sent those items with a letter saying "your spouse will die", then it's a threat.
See what happens if those same items to someone in law enforcement, govt or a politician. I'd be willing to bet they'd get 10 for d. Threats @@cujoedaman
*wreaths
@@Shinzon23 I dunno, a "Funeral Reef" sounds almost like something that heavy equipment would have to deliver in stages. Kind of an existential level of threat.
This story came across my radar a while ago. I had the same exact reaction. Absolutely wild that the CEO at the time got to walk away with a multi-million dollar severance package after this.
Oh and btw, besides the tailing with a rental car paid for by a corporate account, they also got caught because they bought a gift card to pay for the pig fetus and it came back to a Walgreens or CVS across the street from Ebay headquarters, with one of the convicted people being photographed by security cameras buying the gift card. Crazy stuff.
Why the gift card? Have they not heard of cash? Like he didn't want it to be traced back to him but he thought that the only way to buy something is with a card and actually didn't know that cash existed.
Only the little people go to prison.
Only the little people go to prison.
Only the little people go to prison.
I will never understand people who go out of their way just to make someone's life hell. That's sociopathic.
Well, I guess that's why they're called sociopaths and psychopaths.
This is something straight out of a dark comedy film.
You mean a horror movie
If this turned into a revenge thriller, I'd probably watch it. I'll send the plot to Netflix, they make series about anything 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Legit, i would watch Netflix adaptation, even if everyone will be black
@@vadnegru It sounds kinda racist, but okay.
Don't forget that in addition to being black, the characters will also be gay and the main plot will be about female empowerment 😂😂😂😂🤤🤤🤤
What's the difference between organized crime and organized business? Apparently not much.
Seems like organized crime as business is legal🤷♂
1. A Business Licence
2. They pay taxes (In Theory Only!)
3. Most importantly they pay off Senators and Congress People too keep or change laws that Benefit them and not the American People who do pay Fair Taxes unlike the Billion or Trillion dollar Companies
@@DarthAwar ahh good ol' highway robbery under the guise of legality.
It makes the trope of organised crime saying "I'm a legitimate businessman" seem more valid lmao
@@mattymerr701 that it does. Reminds me of Al Capone.
Forget harassment, that's threatening, breaking and entering, a whole bunch more than just "cyber stalking"
Now I see why Vice Grip Garage calls it “EvilBay.”
God bless VGG
Derek is 100% correct.
Imagine being that loyal to a company
@hemmoau that wasn't remotely the point but you really don't understand that do you
I wouldn't want the money... I want hem in jail! What in the actual hell....
"This is some mafia-level sxxx right here!"
Um, yeah. Probably literally. I don't know why anyone would assume they're not directly involved in ebay, given that that an auction house is a great place to move illicit goods if you're actually the ones running the auction house.
Anyone that was complicit in this, deserves to do hard time and this couple should be awarded a lot more than 3 million. E-bay probably makes more than that in a day, and therefore, it is hardly a deterrent against stopping them from doing this again.
Honestly, I don't think the couple gets the 3 million. It was a criminal charge so the penalty likely goes to the state. The couple will have to sue the civilly to get any compensation.
3 million is really not enough at all. These guys deserve at least 10
And 10 years
@@uis246 I definitely agree this should be more than 5 years in prison. Also the fact that only one person is facing prison but 7 people are responsible is just awful. I can't imagine the emotional trauma knowing that many of these people are still free and could at any point continue to threaten your life.
Per
according to nytimes article from 2020, the ceo left with $57M package after this
@@parker73724 If you look up above, all but the CEO are getting prison time.
Best case scenario this is all the eBay people did because they plead guilty, there’s a good chance they did a lot more that never came out.
I knew about this a while ago. Honestly I am surprised it is now making news everywhere. I’m also frankly surprised it wasn’t a huge fiasco earlier when the first report released about it.
If a company does this, people really think the US government won't make a few people they don't like accidentally dissappear???
This case is the perfect example why most governments WON'T do that because it obviously shows that cases like that almost always get revealed to the public sooner or later. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but it's definetly not as common as movies and conspiracy theorists make it seem.
@@soerenbo yes, it rarely happens, but... look at declassified US goverment materials. What is now declassified and facts would have sounded like a conspiracy nut case job back in the days. Or the friendly rebel leader that needed help is now on a most wanted list.
This is where eBay should fire all the employees and claim they chose to do this personal mission in work time.... Lol
Thats so despicable
I love that this was actual news like you sure as heck aren’t going to expect what happened before you watch this video! We now know that this is possible in the modern world
I remember hearing about this a while back... I was totally appalled. Their actions were completely insane!!!
It's awesome to learn how this played out!
Thank you!
Remember folks, "Safety and Security" is a valid job that has earned the right to exist. There are clearly checks and balances in place that make this job position a net positive. /s
This Should Be Netflix Documentary
I don't understand why Businesses that are this s pernicious do not get their business licenses revoked, at least in the jurisdictions where these rulings are made. If my own company did this, I would for sure not be allowed to operate in my state, but the most giant businesses get a free pass. Ebay, Equifax, etc... how much harm is too much harm to continue operation? Given the damage that these businesses have inflicted, and can still operate, that's a scary thought. There needs to be much harsher penalties for stuff like this.
I will never understand why fines to companies are so low, that companies are better off doing illegal stuff, because they win more money than they have to pay. Even in this case they didn't make money out of it, 3M is literally nothing for them, and this was bad enough to diserve a lor more.
Ebay paying a 3 million dollar fine is the government taking money for itself. That fine should go to the victoms ontop of the lawsuit.
Getting a lot of "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest" vibes over here
Black Adder reference. Love it!
@@kobuseksteen411 Henry II actually said said that though
In South Africa we may no longer have access to the CCTV footage from a fuel station where someone broke into our car and stole a laptop bag because the thief didn't give permission to be recorded or have footage shared.
You know if I was Amazon I would fund a documentary about this scandal and put it on Prime Video. Or fund like a drama series about it
Considering that amazon is not really far off...they might make it into "Guide for a proper harassment: How to not get caught".
If Amazon did, they would get flooded with videos being done on scummy things they do on a daily basis. So doubt they would.
I like how the line from people on insane salarys is always 'I work hard for this money'
Doesnt fucking seem like it if youve got time to persure petty agendas
They barely work. The guy breaking his back for minimum wage deserves more than CEO's.
Now you have to wonder, since they all pleaded guilty. Are these fall guys? How much were they paid to plead guilty?
5 years for only one person is disgusting. This is dead serious stuff going on here, and absolutely not white collar crime.
We're straight up in Cyberpunk 2077 land, where Corpos can straight up put a hit out on you if you criticize them. On top of it, it's just a fine for the company ($3 mil is a lot, but not that much to ebay). It's just a shame that we don't have any cool cybernetics commonly available...
I canceled my ebay account after 20 years when they refused to follow their own TOS and refund me $20. Ebay sucks. I wish there was an alternative.
how can they do that? I thought its legit
What also shocks me with stories like this is the amount of people who keep quiet.
Not one of those seven, SEVEN, people had the conscience to contact the
pair behind eBay's backs to collect evidence or whistle blow the whole thing.
TBH, punishment is still too light. E-Bay should have been taken off-line, as a statement to other platforms.
People do that, and at the same time everyone freaks out about someone sending emails.
This sounds exactly like ebay. They are corrupt from top to bottom
eBay bans people using AI and blocks appeal emails with an automated reply. I lost my account that was due to that on my SECOND listing. Worst part is they try to get the fees after they permanently suspend you!
Give employees equity, you can't get this kind of loyalty without it.
This sounds like something that Hover from Silicon Valley would do for Gavin Belson
When they scrubbed the site of things like catless down pipes, long tube headers, and a ton of automotive aftermarket parts, I stopped shopping there.
EPA bullying vendors into stop sales of parts that aren’t illegal to own, make or sell because they assume the purchaser might do something illegal with it. Race cars and race tracks exist in all 50 states.
Who taught them how to do that? The Church of Scientology?
Really don’t understand how the ceo and the cco weren’t charged. This is the problem with corporations, how are these people immune when obviously they instructed their employees to do this
Oh... that case finally got finished! It sounds so familiar but i heard of it so long ago... this is so wild...
Imagine being this couple, and telling your TRUE story, and being utterly and totally disbelieved because the truth is just TOO unhinged!
Wow.. and only 3 million!? Jesus!
WHY is the C-suite getting away with this?! We need to make executive LEGEALLY RESPONSIBLE for the actions of their company.
Dang this is what they’ve been doing with all those seller fees? wtf
Do to the EBay managers……. What they did to others. Just the guilty ones and whoever covered for them. No one else.
And because this is a Cali based company I am sure the court was very understanding of the hard times the employees were going through and made sure they got a nice warm blanket and some milk during the court trials.
Ebay admins should all get a RICO case.
Great quote. "This is what I'd expect of organized crime". Exactly! It would be very interesting if there was a further aspect to this, which was why they pled guilty, so it wouldnt come to light.
After hearing about this, the detailes of the CEO to go after the couple, and ebay being around a $50 Billion company, I'm suprised Ebay didn't just have them killed.
The first thing that struck me was how the CEO and other management who ordered these heinous actions to occur faced no penalty whatsoever. Classic American justice: punish the lackeys and ignore the leaders who have no reason to stop their behavior, particularly after finding out they can get away with it. In fact, no-one from eBay was even required to turn up for the sentencing of the $3 million fine. A company, I might add, that's worth over US$21 BILLION.
The Quebec cop that said you should turn the porch pirate footage over to police is completely off his own head. He has no clue. We have protected filming in public in Canada Nationwide.
I am, already 3 minutes in, and I have one burning question that I think I already know the answer to:
"They did all this over texts and emails, didn't they?"
And the observation about people is spot on, we ARE crazy. As well as STUPID.
I didn't hear a concrete answer, but, I'm still willing to bet a beer.
I strongly believe large companies do things like this to people on a regular basis but are usually better at covering it up, using people who are not 'on the books' as official employees, etc.
When covid started, I started up an online sticker business.
EBay being my main, I made a not so nice complaint, after that I made zero sales for over 8 month's.
The site is a joke.
The penalty for something heinous like this should be $300M, not $3M -- that's like issuing a parking ticket to eBay.
This was just the FINE, wait until you see the Settlement for the victims lawsuit,...estimated to reach 50 to 100 million.
The thing with the porch pirates is similar to what "data protection" activists have done in Germany, but we have it even worse: Not only can we not release it to the public without blurring everything "identifiable" or "private", just the act of filming can already consitute a violation of privacy
Get this: If you have a dashcam in your car and send it in as prove for something (accident, someone violated a law, etc.), not only may it not even be recognised as evidence in court because the judge doesn't want to (and even if it might be dismissed as "not identifiable enough" even with the license plate on record), you might get sued by the other party or random bystanders appearing in the footage because you "filmed them without their explicit permission". It has happened before.
Can you sue the government for filming you without your consent with road cameras?
Filming in public is legal in Germany if the focus isn't on a particular person, so they don't have grounds. I think even filming a person is legal if you don't publish it, but don't quote me on that.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Yeah, if you are not filming in secret (hidden camera with no warnings) and dont use a video for anything illegal, it should be fine.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 you can't guess the law in germany if you don't actually know it
How are the 7 individuals not going to prison?
OMG, did Linus just speak against the Woke Canadian BS that says you can't post porch pirates stealing your stuff online?! Heaven Forbid!.... Oh and I totally support him in his statements.
...can you please define what "woke" means to you?
what does not being allowed to post porch pirate videos have to do with being woke?
@@Ryan-093 I'm no expert, but with all the bs coming from the "they/them' cult, who want criminal charges if I can't tell what the f 'they' are, this seems apropos to label this a 'woke' idea. It aligns perfectly with the 'feelings over facts' crowd and the 'abolish the police' crowd and the "criminals rights" crowd.
Well.. that was weird. I’ve always said, you don’t make it to an executive level position if you have empathy towards others. And, unfortunately, I just keep being proven right when I want to be proven wrong.
This would have gone very different if they did this and showed up to a person's home in a pro constitutional pro 2A state like Texas or Montana or something. They only had the balls to do this crazy crap because it was in Massachusetts. I have arachnophobia if I received that box full of spiders then they showed up and attacked my home I'd have a strong mental insanity defense.
I live in Montana and was just thinking "ya, that is get shot by the owner standing on the porch level stuff right there."
The Feds could step in and charge them with all sorts of fun stuff regarding postal violations and violation of civil rights.
Criminal charges are settled with money, instead of prison time? What the Hell?
"Innocent Until Proven Guilty" only exists inside the courtroom. Think about it: if the police assume this person is innocent, why are they arresting them?
"We don't want negative PR.. Let's do some shit that'll get us tons of negative PR when it comes out!"
~ eBay
What’s nuts is how multifaceted the harassment was 😮 They weren’t just doing a couple annoying things a bunch, they were getting creative with it
This is absolutely insane!!!
This is a company full of people with absolutely nothing to do to further the growth of the company.
It’s so asinine to me that all of this happened because some multimillionaire’s feelings were hurt.
I’m curious if they will seek more non-criminal compensation for things such as mental stress and hardship.
These are the kinds of people that run the large multinationals, three letter agencies and therefore the world.
“Ex” employees. Inside/outside job. Split 9 ways
5 years is incredibly lenient.
only 3mil fine? add 3more 0's 3,000,000,000.00. If any normal citizen where to do this they would get like life in prison, put on a watchlist or 2 and be put on a no fly list.
They went threw what I've gone threw via having a ex that's a part of a cult lol... had to move and not tell my daughter where I am for it to stop... but it's a company so they get things looked at... never mind the brain damaged from a attack
Should all be in prison.
The whole porch pirate thing is silly. Lots of countries don't have this issue because, guess what, if someone drops off a package outside it's not counted as delivered. Problem solved.
that's it? that isn't even a slap on the hand. that gives them the ok to do this to others.
big corporations have been waging a war on the people. this is just ridiculous. this is not a consequence.
So eBay decided it wanted to be the mafia now?
And this, dear LMG, is how I feel about how you've handled Madison's management and harrassment problems. "Who would do that?!" 😔
This is pretty much bullshit, the CEO who's behavior is at the root of this goes scot-free while the eBay shareholders are on the hook for the money. This kind of thing won't stop unless the execs who engage in this kind of psychopathic behavior are personally held accountable and punished, not only for this particular instance, but all the questionable loan and trading practices that have become rampant in the past decades, too.
If this was the plea deal what did they actually do? Usually a plea deal is admitting to a small fraction to avoid being tried for a lot more.
The CEO should get jail time. Actual time in a literal prison. I'm thinking Huntsville, TX.
The Canadian rule about publishing criminal evidence on social media isn't as crazy as you guys seem to think. It's not about privacy for the offender - it's about the right to a fair jury trial. The UK and Canada have a well established principle that the facts of the case are Sub Judice till the trial is over. Media are forbidden to publish details so the court can select a jury that isn't tainted by previous knowledge of the case. Verdicts should be based on the evidence presented in court - not on trial by social media. If you publish the evidence, the defence may be able to get the case turfed out.
Those are some dedicated employees
My question: How did the ex-CEO skate? He gave the orders so he should face the same charges as those convicted.
I just want my money back from eBay from the scammers that ripped me off just this past year. One item was an all-aluminum radiator for my truck that didn't fit and also had some damage. eBay sided with the seller.
No wonder no one usually hears about shit going down at Ebay