@@omaisgee123 Because thats not being humble in my view, thats being chiefly scientific. Humbleness would be considering even pursuing science and acknowledge nonhuman existence biotic and abiotic before anything else.
@@positronikiss You gotta be humble, some alien or God or the universe could come along and be like, "Yo, that whole language thing you guys use? Yeah, it's actually way faster like this." Then they look at you in your eyes and you suddenly you speak in stars. Who knows what could happen, you certainly don't and neither do any of us; humility beats naivety
@@cheatswiz58 yeah thats what im saying and no, you certainly dont know if there are humans out there that know something normal folk like us cant even start to imagine.
The assumption being that smart phones are progress. But, are they? Looks like humans have no freaking chance to make it to 100 million years. So who's more intelligent?
@@paullawrencedotnet it’s still humans. But you’re right, the assumption that smart phone is progress is not inherently correct. When smartphones came out, we literally had every piece of technology that was built in to them already, they did everything on a level not as good as their stand alone counterparts. But they were packaged and sold as a convenience. People bought them, and they have single handedly destroyed the human attention span and memory in a decade.
@@SweetPappyJones Agreed. I live in Asia and I do not have a smart phone, and people look in awe and confusion at my old-school phone.. like I am a caveman. But I do not like the feeling of being surrounded by the internet at every moment. I wonder if there will ever be a mass reversal; like, people consciously choosing to use lower and lower tech. Doubt it, though.
I've heard a couple of interviews with him in Swedish and he has difficulties expressing himself in his native language also. He has some sort of speech impediment and a limited vocabulary. He must definitely be on the autistic spectrum. @@justdynee
@@cristianproust And now are you are making it very hard to disagree with you! I will just add that a large proportion of the wealth of the world is in fact in American hands so it hardly requires much foreign collusion for the US to be a global terror state thought they do find collaborators everywhere.
@@cristianproust totally agree with you about America, and as an American. Anyone who thinks America is any form of real democracy isn't paying attention to objective reality. The US is run by corporations and wealthy psychopaths. That's why we only ever get two shitty presidents to "choose" from, that's why most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, that's why our taxes are funneled into bailing out powerful corporations that don't even need any of it while paying their workers slave wages, you get the picture. The list just goes on and on. And what do Americans do when having that boot crush down on their throats? They lick the filth from the least filthy boot, rinse, and repeat. However, in regard to what Max Tegmark was saying here, I still can't see how what he was saying builds any kind of case that we might be alone in the universe. Some of what he said even undermines that notion.
@@cristianproust are you literally arguing that gross wage stagnation in the midst of massive increases of production is because of technological advancement? Is that also how you explain why Jeff Besos makes more in an hour than 80%+ of americans will in their entire lifetimes, literally, by doing nothing? You think he got there by any means other than exploitation? But of course corporations don't make people poorer when those corporations have their hands in the pockets of politicians, cutting their taxes, deregulating, bailing themselves out with everyone else's valuable tax dollars, right? Of course corporations, the powerful, and the wealthy would *never* do something like cutting down the most basic cost of wages as low as possible just for more profit to someone(s) that already has 3 Bugattis and a mansion. And when food banks have lines that stretch miles onto highways, that's people just telling themselves they "deserve" more, right? When the majority of Americans can't even get $2000 in emergency savings while working full time, they're really just comparing themselves to each other, right? And when the top cause of bankruptcy (and there's a LOT of bankruptcy) is simply medical bills, the working class is just being entitled when decrying that, right? Oh wait, there's the small detail that literally all of history proves you wrong. Not to even mention modern data you can just google with that device you are typing on. And I don't know what gated community you come from, but try going outside to see what's actually going on in the society that YOU benefit from, for fucks sake. Not only does the working class have to owe an arm and a leg into retirement to get an expertise education, but they also have to figure out how to fit that in with 2 full time jobs while barely keeping a roof overhead and food on the table. I would LOVE to see you try working 2 full time jobs, neither of which paying a living wage, provide for children, learn Mandarin, figure out how to fit sleep in, pursue a passion, AND remain sane. All while breaking even by the end of every month. Oh and if you have any significant medical condition, you and the rest of your family are completely screwed. And you can forget about being able to pay for any kind of chronic condition, so have fun with that the rest of your life. This is all easily accessible, objectively true data. In fact you have to be in a bubble of pure propaganda to not know even some of this. By the way, skinny doesn't equate to poverty, and fat doesn't equate to wealth. This isn't the 12th century. That's one you were supposed to learn in high school health class. The best part of this is the irony of you saying "poor people can still learn things because of the glorious free market" while you get schooled by a REAL social democratic poor person. But go ahead and try to argue that the existence of poverty is just "propaganda" and "eruption of Marxism" again. I'll be waiting to shred it with the ease of lifting a finger like the pathetic joke of an idea it is. If you were a social democrat, not only would none of this need to be explained to you, but you would also know that social democracy is a Marxist ideology. Social democracy makes the market serve the ones participating in and literally creating the production of that market, rather than those who enrich themselves the most from it while doing the LEAST for it. So which is it, are you that grossly ignorant about what you're saying, or did you think you could get away with lying to someone with research behind their claims? Run along back to your silicon valley oligarch circle jerking or be an adult and do a little goddamn research to find even a little evidence support your pitifully weak high horse.
over the billions of years that the universe has been around it is fairly unlikely that we are alive at the same time as another advanced civilization and we are close enough to come in contact with one another. The question is how many civilizations have been around in the previous 14 billion years prior to ourselves.
While the universe is 13.8 billion years old, the first stars and galaxies were 100% Hydrogen. These 1st generation stars had to go supernova to spill out the more complex atoms of Carbon and Oxygen. Then even these new 2nd generation stars had to go supernova so that the galaxies could form 3rd generation stars that had the very complex atoms that could build planets. Earth may be in a system where the Sun is a 4th or 5th generation star. While simple life may be common, complex life, and advanced life like us, is very, very rare.
The universe have been inexistince for trillio trillion trillion year probably 10. to the trillion zero It is safe to assume that there could be a trillion civilazation in the vastness of the whole universe , imagine a universe whose space and time has no.beginnning.
Alien civilizations might exist, but they are probably more rare than we believe (and many want to believe!! ). If they were common, we would see evidence of a crowded galaxy, or even a crowded local group, yet there is NONE. The fact that the Hubble space telescope has scanned 100000 galaxies for artificial dimming and found NOTHING is strong evidence that alien civilizations are very rare, maybe even to such an extend that in practice they don’t exist because neither for us nor for them it will EVER be possible to contact each other.
@grande6075 Well are you now talking about multiple universes? That's when things get really complicated. If this one was infinite wouldn't it just be filled with light by now? I do like the multiverse theory. A bunch or universes coming into and out of existence. Makes more sense.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. People love quoting that line when it comes to religion, and rightfully so. When it comes to extraterrestrial civilizations, however, those same people get irrationally angry and assert that there must be tons of them out there. For me, the answer to the question will remain “nobody knows” until an extraterrestrial lands on Earth and makes open contact.
Correct. Timing is everything. In all of space and time, intersection of coexisting organisms with culture, language, technology ,or any of the above etc... Unlikely, based on our observations, so far. Currently, it is incalculable. Speculation is fun.
But I also believe that a very small perentage maybe 1 or 2 % of all ufo sightings may be potentially an actual probe from elsewhere in the universe . Human beings could be indistinguishable from rocks to them
@@cristianproust Everything you said are speculations. What you dont realise is the Pandera Box you are opening with it. I can then say that God is what you find on those others universe and he is always there. Do you understand what i just did? ... everything that is beyond our understanding, can be anything. We have facts and data, and that all tells us that we are alone in THIS universe. everything outside this universe is just speculation, where everything could be possible... even the existence of God.
@@zavierorlos1948 I think what the OP @Craig Scott is proposing is that 1. there are many intelligent civilisations out there and that 2. from the perspective of each of those civilisations they are “alone.” The idea is that intelligent civilisations are so widely separated in time and space that the chances of any 2 intelligent civilisations ever coming into contact is practically zero. Each will perceive that they are “alone.” What is “incoherent” about that?
Remember they always say, in order to meet someone, you need a location, but you also need to agree on the TIME to meet. That seems to be always forgotten in the Fermi paradox discussion. The timescale of our universe is so vast that the existence of just the damn TELESCOPE is a super super tiny fraction of a blip on this timescale.. For all we know, there could have been thousands of alien civilizations that have existed throughout history in our backyard, just that no human was around at the right time to observe it.
@@ricomajestic that is true. If they are even a relatively close ten light-years away, will we ever actually find the evidence of their existence? Because, if we can't find any evidence of them, don't exist to us.
No...that’s platinum cash right there...I absolutely refuse to believe the universe magically appeared and produced one planet filled with mainly Morons and are the sole living beings in trillions of Miles of unending space...if that’s the case then humanity needs to be wiped out in the name of peace...😑
It also might be more common that life involves in water instead of above it on what is essentially mountain tops. Maybe more life evolves in all the various liquid states of the different planets. Maybe an octopus is the most abundant life form in the universe
@@justsomeguy4099 hey man take it easy! im not saying i have more answers than joe im just saying hes really obsessed with the tic tac ufo. i would even argue hes close minded in thinking its aliens. i think lex handles the subject much better. rogan would have stopped max and made him talk about ufos forever, might have even got heated like the crowder one, josh zepps one etc.
I shoulda been a scientist. I've been making this point for years. Contrary to Sagan, the arrogance is not that we think we are the only intelligent life in the universe. The arrogance is thinking there would not be a more advanced intelligence that would have made themselves detectable by now.
That reasoning has always irked me. It’s not “arrogant” to think that we might be alone. The people making this argument always act as if their opponents are beating their chest and screaming “YEEEEAH, FUCK YOU UNIVERSE. EARTH IS NUMBER 1, SUCK IT!”. Saying that Earth might be uniquely suited to life is no more arrogant than saying that you have unique fingerprints, or unique DNA.
Jesper Ekgren What if they are all around us at all times and the things that going bump in the night is really just them spying on us wearing their Harry Potter invisibility Cloaks laughing at how idiotic we are.
As Max Planck states: "I regard Consciousness as fundamental and matter as derived from Consciousness. We are not alone but just do not recognize all the consciousness around us and seem to think we live in a non-living Universe instead of a gigantic living organism with multi levels of consciousness. Modern science is stuck in the dark ages till they accept this.
@@mikechrist9699 why or what is the meaning of something itself an absurd question. Why something exist or what is the meaning of it in itself is absurd and not possible to answered with fulfilling answer.
1) Radio waves scatter and become weaker over galactic distances. 2) FTL travel seems impossible. Therefore, there may be lots of life out there, and we've just not gotten lucky enough to catch a communication signal.
We elected Biden. The most senile and corrupt man in Washington, who is already helping corporations rob us and lurching toward war. Not very intelligent. And no, I didn't say Trump was better. It's just that given his entire history, Biden is absolutely Worse.
Some times I think the Universe is a form of intelligence. It has optimal communications with its self. It refines the future sheding the past, as shredding is not its goal. Seems that way but the over all picture is not seen yet. Earth is a shed of energy, a chalice, arc. There are many ancient names for this.
Considering the unimaginable span of time and space, and the extremely brief period of our specie’s potential total timeline, yes for all practical purposes, we are alone in the Universe.
Agreed, with the correction that we are *likely* alone in the universe, for all practical purposes. There is always a chance that we may find out that this wrong in the future.
I believe what distance us from 👽 is habitatiual elements and organic differences that’s separate our species from communicating but not impossible to achieve ,DETERMINATION IS THE 🔑 TO LIFE
Two thoughts, one, if we're alone in the universe that would most likely demonstrate a profound principle of the universe, one that might be at the nexus of science and philosophy. Two, if aliens are very advanced, then it might be the case that colonizing a galaxy might be as unpalatable as attempting to live in the middle of the ocean as a human being and simply none of them would do it.
Other creatures inhabit a habitat for years without leaving a destructive mark on it. On the other hand humans always leave destructive marks anywhere they inhabit. The most common attribute of an invasive species not indigenous to an ecosystem. Maybe we ard the aliens we are searching for and can't stop talking about. Maybe we crashed on here on a meteorite that ended the dinosaurs lol
He is essentially saying the 000000.1 chance of life being in the whole universe is us. Doesn’t matter if there was before or after we are the only life that is now. And so we can say as of right now we are the only existence in the universe.
I doubt that we'll die out, some of the humans will survive even all nuclear bombs were used, because humans are ubiquitous in this globe. And even far future we'll likely to be multiplanetary species and that will make extinction much less likely.
If it’s true that 99% of species that have existed on earth are now extinct, it may be that extinction is just the normal outcome for all species including ours. And if that were to happen, the earth would continue to spin without us. We humans are relevant to ourselves, but not to the universe.
@@clarino2 - Given trending here on Earth, I wonder how many civilizations have really nothing left of them except for the AI that they left behind, and if that might be the prevailing surviving form of intelligence in the galaxy/universe. The support requirements for any kind of biomechanics is a big vulnerability/disadvantage in the end.
Highly unlikely. Even a worldwide nuclear catastrophy won't totally annihilate mankind. We would just morph and adapt to the new reality....at least the unfortunate frwth
Carl Sagan was said " we are a way for the cosmos to know itself. The conscious aspect of the universe." Best reason I've ever heard for our existence. If so it follows if we are indeed the conscious aspest of the universe there would be no need for another consciousness to understand it. I got nothing against aliens necessarily, but I think we're alone.
Life is scarce on one hand. On the other, space is more vast than we can process. I think there could be an 'Alone' as in zero other advanced life- and there could be Alone in terms of distances, voids creating a practical, spatial isolation. It's like being in the middle of the arctic wilderness without any transportation. One could be Alone in terms of anyone finding you, or you reaching civilization. This could scale to the Milky Way and beyond. I do think it might be wishful of us to assume there are advanced aliens that have conquered the laws of physics to such a degree that they can bridge the gaps. I include myself in that thinking.
Even if they can close the gaps, I imagine its still an resource-intense business. I mean, we have the techincal capability to send advanced probes to many planets and moons in the Solar system, and have had for quite some time. But what we have managed is to send some to our moon and two to Mars. On that note, the first sign we would see of other civilisations should be autonomous probes, is my guess.
We grew naturally more towards the center, but humans were destructive assholes, but they couldn't bear to eliminate us (music, art, etc), so they moved us to the edge of nowhere- no more damage! ...unless we manage to leave...
Two things worth thinking about, the extremely low probability of abiogenisis occurring even in ideal conditions, and even if it does occur, the liveliness that it creates a life form capable of advanced space exploration. The earth is teeming with life, without a doubt, over 8.7M species of plants and animals. But of them, only one species with the level of sentience required to harness resources effectively at scale. It's clearly arguable that we are an incredibly unique and uncommon animal species that lives far outside the normal resource equilibrium that all other animals seem to abide by. I'm frustrated that this fact never comes up in any of these discussions.
I don't know how there could be an example other than abiogenesis that created life. The alternative is as likely as life magically appearing because of magic. Speculating that there is a creator doesn't make sense to me. Where did the creator come from? Who created it? At some point, you have to actually get to a real beginning and we don't currently have any solid answer to that.
Agreed....just in past 7 yrs alone it's highly accepted it is pretty much impossible for us to be alone. The slow drip feed is dripping at a faster rate
A galactic or intergalactic civilization won't need a particular planet to live on if they didn't want to. They would have technology, for example to extract energy from a star as their fuel. They could use base elements to manufacture complex elements. The thing about detection in my view is, are we asking the correct questions of the universe? Standing on the beach looking out across the ocean with our eyes, can we see the fish beneath the surface? We need specific tools and filters to see them below the surface.
@@Gingnose If the Dyson Sphere full encapsulates the star we may not see any evidence as the sphere may appear as dark as the background Extracting energy/Stellar Lifting would easily be observed if the Dyson Sphere was not completely enclosing the star. This might explain the over abundance of white and brown dwarf stars.
I have 1 question then. My sister and I were followed by a ufo in 1977 the three lights merged to one and it Shot off at least 10× faster then a shooting star, so my question is, where the hell did that come from.?
It actually is, isn't it! Of course, I'll forget about this in a day or two but for the moment anyway, it's kind of a beautifully humbling and inspirational thought...
I didn't find it particularly inspiring. I'm not sure that I would even call it empowering. I don't feel empowered to have a notable impact upon the future of our planet. At least, not beyond the responsible things I already do. For me, the idea doesn't change how I feel about anything. I can't honestly say that I think the future of life in the universe is particularly important. For all I know, it may not be worthwhile. If I was inspired I imagined I would change some behaviors in the future to protect our planet. But, I don't think I am actually going to change any behaviors as a result of his idea.
I have gotten addicted to the 3 body problem series and then spoilers from the book. Even with the dark forest hypothesis, it assumes too many thingss. Especially that advanced civilization would prefer to hide, whereas space is more like a desert or ocean where there is no where to hide.
Everything in this univers has its roll, we are made to reach out and use the resources to evolve and if thier is another intelligent planet out thier, then they are doing the same thing and have the same goal but if we are the first, we surely will not be the last
Humans: Still have to colonize on other planets or learn how to lasso asteroids Also Humans: We're all alone, b/c we understand everything! Tardigrade: How's it going?!
Imagine traveling 3mm per day, by the speed of light. Then imagine continue doing that for a 100km or 60miles. It would take 100.000 (light)years, the same diameter as our milky way galaxy
First of all, traveling through interstellar space is not like Star Trek, where space seems "lit up." Travel beyond the heliopause is very dark. It's like being in a deep sea submerisible with no lights. The stars are visible, but there's no atmosphere for any diffraction. Also, interstellar space is really cold-near absolute zero. Your spacecraft is extremely fragile and could easily shatter. Matter becomes a condensate and cosmic rays can rip atoms from material by the dozens every second. The Voyager spacecraft will gradually disintegrate into flakes and dust long before reaching any star.
There could be superior intelligent life right here on Earth and we'd never know it. We could just be mistaking intelligent activity for natural processes.
Early Greeks wondered if they're alone as an advanced civilization, until they stumbled upon Persians. Then Greeks, Persians and Chinese wondered if they're alone on this Earth, until Native Americans were discovered. Then we wondered if we're alone as a technologically capable species, until historians found other 7 extinct humanoid species that were also technologically capable. And now we wonder if we're the only civilization in the universe, until we stumble upon Aliens. Then together with Aliens we will wonder if we're the only life in multiple universe array. We can go on like this forever. The point is, yes. We will always be alone, but we never were alone.
This fine gentleman has mastered the art of saying a lot while saying nothing at the same time. “I’ve worked in the private sector. They expect results!”
If we truly are alone in the universe, should we open up a bit more to there being a creator? or to the possibility that we live in a simulation? Even if life is rare, or an accident, with the trillions and trillions of circumstances that other solar systems have produced that are similar to the one that provides us life, there should be other forms of life out there. After all, life is just a bunch of chemical reactions right? There are trillions of circumstances life can exist in in the same conditions that we exist in, and if they don’t then how possible is it that we were put here on purpose?
This. If we are truly that rare and unique, a single (or a handful) of Edens amongst an infinite number of dead worlds, then why not call it a godly intervention/ coincidence?
Maybe we should start to care more about these species on our planet then worrying about life from distant galaxies that we will probably never meet or know exist
Just for the sake of argument, let's assume we are alone in the Universe. Isn't that assumption the direct result of the yearning that there actually were other life in the Universe precisely because we don't want to feel alone? Think about it deeply. Think of it this way, isn't infinity also so hard to comprehend because what you are afraid of is that the Universe might in fact be finite, which is why you always refuse to stop thinking about what is beyond the known outter limit, instead of merely accepting that beyond the finite edges of the observable universe be absolutely nothing at all (which in essence points out that what we truly don't understand is finitiness). It's important to understand where questions come from, because they reveal more about our innate intuition than we think. And therein lie many answers. We are wiser than we know.
What if interstellar travel and communication are much more difficult than our current scientists make them out to be? They always seem to take for granted than an alien civilization given enough time could travel and conquer the galaxy. What if nobody has ever figured out how to harness enough energy to fold space-time, which is the only "realistic" way to travel to another solar system.
There is NO WAY anyone knows the answer to this question. We barely have a sense of the Milky Way, let alone another galaxy. The hubris to even make that argument is palpable.
the most important theory Ive heard yet, because it just confirms what a lot of sages have been saying for centuries, Raise consciousness through meditation, wake up and see that everything we need is inside of us and on this planet.
That sounds like a statement that is too ambiguous to be useful. Clearly, everyone that gets up and gets ready and goes to work for their own survival has accepted that they have everything they need within them and in this planet. The billions of people alive and who have lived lives in the past also proves the same thing. A child that died at age 5 would tell you that you are wrong. What he needed did not exist. I don't know how meditating changes any of this.
@@ricomajestic as far as we know but the principle remains, the universe can make intelligent life given infinite time it's guaranteed to happen repeatedly. Along with infinite space it's also guaranteed to happen concurrently.
One of the interesting things about human technology and human cognitive evolution, is that there HAVE been plateaus. We haven't spent millions of years on ham radios, but we HAVE spent millions of years on stone tools. Technological innovations in the stone age were comparatively few and far between, compared with the relative explosion that followed the agricultural revolution.
Theres unmistakable progress during the plataeus thoguh... In those early days technology progress is waiting for our brains to grow bigger, which does with every succcesive generation
Oh is it? They are saying that civilizations dont last long in this current technological phaze we are in... Which may be true.. Plataeus also happen though.. I guess that when our brains and technology was in the stone age.. There was just no capability to evolve tech till the brains got bigger.. Later on with better reasoning, humans slowly grasps science and accumulate machine tools and tech accelerates. Industrial platuea lasted 200 years maybe? Then with computers invented,.. Its another accelerated growth period, when AI becomes very sophisticated there will be another explosive acceleration.. The plataeus are lasting shorter and shorter because we have built 'brains' that have no end in sight in rate of improvement it seems
But he knew that he was taking the thought in a different direction than Lex. Most astronomers and many scientists have faith that there is life in some part of the universe. True probability, may dictate that there is only one.
@@jackiepuppet_5324 i didnt say i misunderstood anything or that he is wrong about anything he said. im just saying its hard for him to communicate his thoughts into words. which it clearly is.
The speed of light plays a significant role. If the limit holds true and it looks like it will, then intelligent species will be solar empires and not interstellar empires. The former being much more difficult to detect. It will make no sense to colonize multiple stars since you would not be able to communicate and therefore would basically be castaways who will evolve differently over time.
There are countless human beings right now that are alone in universe.Maybe we should focus our intellectual efforts and resources in helping them find a compassionate civilization near them.
He assumes that atleast 1 of the potential millions of civilizations would venture out to discover other life forms and since we haven't met them there must not be any civilizations. However he fails to consider that the civilizations that do venture out may have the necessary tech to stay hidden.
So the point of staying hidden is? why did you assume that all the millions of civilization will use the hidden technology, and even have access to it?
I'm guessing the reason that we hope there are ETs is because we know we are screwing up big time here on earth. And, we like to think that if we destroy ourselves, the universe will not be empty of all consciousness, to be aware of the universe's existence; to appreciate it. But if we are the only ones in the universe, then the burden falls solely on us to survive, to be the consciousness, to be the custodians of the universe. We become the Essence of the universe.
What is narcissistic about that? You act like he’s boasting about how great he is because he was born on Earth. Is it narcissistic to assume that you have unique DNA among the trillions of organisms on Earth?
@@N0TYALC same type of human-centric myopia that lead to the belief that the solar system revolves around Earth. That liquid water is rare. That exoplanets are rare or nonexistent.
@@sandwichrtist4556 Oops, looks like you forgot to respond to my comment. Let me reiterate, is it narcissistic to think that you have unique DNA from the trillions of other organisms on Earth?
If we were only 100 light years from earth we would look at earth and have no idea there is intelligent life on it. So there very well might be tons of civilizations in our own galaxy.
Right. That's what I've been saying, nobody seems to consider this. Outside of about 300 light years, aka around the time of the enlightenment (oh boy, did we wake up...). Outside of that timeframe, humans might as well be fauna, they were not on the same level of consciousness we are today. Outside of about 20,000 light-years, humans would literally be indistinguishable from what we consider "animal life" today. Even 20,000 is being highly generous, before we started changing our climate we were basically undetectable.
If you're trying to communicate w something located 5 billion lightyears away remember that you're currently receiving information from 5 billion years ago, but also it's been moving away from there for 5 billion years. If you send communications right now to where you think it will end up in 5 billions years, then you have to wait for a response from them in 5 billion years from when they receive the communication if they properly calculated where we will end up in 5 billion years.
“We have to be humble - we have to be willing to acknowledge that everything we think is true might be very wrong.”
Thats humble? Lol. We're fucked if thats what we should consider as humble.
@@positronikiss Why does that automatically render us fucked lol? Knowing the truth can be a great thing.
@@omaisgee123 Because thats not being humble in my view, thats being chiefly scientific. Humbleness would be considering even pursuing science and acknowledge nonhuman existence biotic and abiotic before anything else.
@@positronikiss You gotta be humble, some alien or God or the universe could come along and be like, "Yo, that whole language thing you guys use? Yeah, it's actually way faster like this." Then they look at you in your eyes and you suddenly you speak in stars. Who knows what could happen, you certainly don't and neither do any of us; humility beats naivety
@@cheatswiz58 yeah thats what im saying and no, you certainly dont know if there are humans out there that know something normal folk like us cant even start to imagine.
We are either alone or so far apart that it’s the same.
Damn, that actually makes sense, where did you copy/paste it from?
It’s possible we have already seen signs of intelligent alien life, or even come into contact, but didn’t recognize it as “life”.
@@funtimes8296 like our buddy Eddie Bravo says: just look into it.. 😅🤣
@@Sonyetc I don't think he copied it directly but it's one of the ''solutions'' to the fermi paradox.
We are alone. The Aliens are alone too.
Shout out to all the aliens wondering if THEY are alone in the universe.
Best comment of '21
Shout out to an alien getting stoned for the first time on some Mars OG sticky icky
@@TheChurchofCacti from alienlabs
Illegal?
Put illegal in front of every alien lol it's so much better
“The dinosaurs spent over 100 million years stomping around here without inventing smart phones” 🤣
The assumption being that smart phones are progress. But, are they? Looks like humans have no freaking chance to make it to 100 million years. So who's more intelligent?
@@paullawrencedotnet it’s still humans. But you’re right, the assumption that smart phone is progress is not inherently correct.
When smartphones came out, we literally had every piece of technology that was built in to them already, they did everything on a level not as good as their stand alone counterparts.
But they were packaged and sold as a convenience. People bought them, and they have single handedly destroyed the human attention span and memory in a decade.
@@SweetPappyJones Agreed. I live in Asia and I do not have a smart phone, and people look in awe and confusion at my old-school phone.. like I am a caveman. But I do not like the feeling of being surrounded by the internet at every moment. I wonder if there will ever be a mass reversal; like, people consciously choosing to use lower and lower tech. Doubt it, though.
Stupid dinosaurs
@@paullawrencedotnet A technological progress, dumbo. Not an evolutionary one.
Tegmark is a genius. He brings considered argument to every discussion. Great interview.
Can't speak too well though.
I've heard a couple of interviews with him in Swedish and he has difficulties expressing himself in his native language also. He has some sort of speech impediment and a limited vocabulary. He must definitely be on the autistic spectrum. @@justdynee
a holocaust survivor
You're not alone. I'm here.
OH SHIT HOW DID YOU GET IN HERE
@@thomasriding3194 Busted a window.
You too??? Whatsup dude!
Hold me. I’m scary
In this alone, together
Man! Can you imagine this guy hosting a cooking show ? An hour later you still would not know what the meal was !!
thats the Show Iron Chef ;)
@@cristianproust Well they run the world so i guess getting to the point has it uses?
@@cristianproust And now are you are making it very hard to disagree with you! I will just add that a large proportion of the wealth of the world is in fact in American hands so it hardly requires much foreign collusion for the US to be a global terror state thought they do find collaborators everywhere.
@@cristianproust totally agree with you about America, and as an American. Anyone who thinks America is any form of real democracy isn't paying attention to objective reality.
The US is run by corporations and wealthy psychopaths. That's why we only ever get two shitty presidents to "choose" from, that's why most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, that's why our taxes are funneled into bailing out powerful corporations that don't even need any of it while paying their workers slave wages, you get the picture. The list just goes on and on. And what do Americans do when having that boot crush down on their throats? They lick the filth from the least filthy boot, rinse, and repeat.
However, in regard to what Max Tegmark was saying here, I still can't see how what he was saying builds any kind of case that we might be alone in the universe. Some of what he said even undermines that notion.
@@cristianproust are you literally arguing that gross wage stagnation in the midst of massive increases of production is because of technological advancement?
Is that also how you explain why Jeff Besos makes more in an hour than 80%+ of americans will in their entire lifetimes, literally, by doing nothing? You think he got there by any means other than exploitation?
But of course corporations don't make people poorer when those corporations have their hands in the pockets of politicians, cutting their taxes, deregulating, bailing themselves out with everyone else's valuable tax dollars, right? Of course corporations, the powerful, and the wealthy would *never* do something like cutting down the most basic cost of wages as low as possible just for more profit to someone(s) that already has 3 Bugattis and a mansion.
And when food banks have lines that stretch miles onto highways, that's people just telling themselves they "deserve" more, right? When the majority of Americans can't even get $2000 in emergency savings while working full time, they're really just comparing themselves to each other, right? And when the top cause of bankruptcy (and there's a LOT of bankruptcy) is simply medical bills, the working class is just being entitled when decrying that, right?
Oh wait, there's the small detail that literally all of history proves you wrong. Not to even mention modern data you can just google with that device you are typing on.
And I don't know what gated community you come from, but try going outside to see what's actually going on in the society that YOU benefit from, for fucks sake. Not only does the working class have to owe an arm and a leg into retirement to get an expertise education, but they also have to figure out how to fit that in with 2 full time jobs while barely keeping a roof overhead and food on the table. I would LOVE to see you try working 2 full time jobs, neither of which paying a living wage, provide for children, learn Mandarin, figure out how to fit sleep in, pursue a passion, AND remain sane. All while breaking even by the end of every month. Oh and if you have any significant medical condition, you and the rest of your family are completely screwed. And you can forget about being able to pay for any kind of chronic condition, so have fun with that the rest of your life.
This is all easily accessible, objectively true data. In fact you have to be in a bubble of pure propaganda to not know even some of this.
By the way, skinny doesn't equate to poverty, and fat doesn't equate to wealth. This isn't the 12th century. That's one you were supposed to learn in high school health class.
The best part of this is the irony of you saying "poor people can still learn things because of the glorious free market" while you get schooled by a REAL social democratic poor person.
But go ahead and try to argue that the existence of poverty is just "propaganda" and "eruption of Marxism" again. I'll be waiting to shred it with the ease of lifting a finger like the pathetic joke of an idea it is.
If you were a social democrat, not only would none of this need to be explained to you, but you would also know that social democracy is a Marxist ideology. Social democracy makes the market serve the ones participating in and literally creating the production of that market, rather than those who enrich themselves the most from it while doing the LEAST for it.
So which is it, are you that grossly ignorant about what you're saying, or did you think you could get away with lying to someone with research behind their claims?
Run along back to your silicon valley oligarch circle jerking or be an adult and do a little goddamn research to find even a little evidence support your pitifully weak high horse.
over the billions of years that the universe has been around it is fairly unlikely that we are alive at the same time as another advanced civilization and we are close enough to come in contact with one another. The question is how many civilizations have been around in the previous 14 billion years prior to ourselves.
Infinite
While the universe is 13.8 billion years old, the first stars and galaxies were 100% Hydrogen. These 1st generation stars had to go supernova to spill out the more complex atoms of Carbon and Oxygen. Then even these new 2nd generation stars had to go supernova so that the galaxies could form 3rd generation stars that had the very complex atoms that could build planets. Earth may be in a system where the Sun is a 4th or 5th generation star. While simple life may be common, complex life, and advanced life like us, is very, very rare.
The universe have been inexistince for trillio trillion trillion year probably 10. to the trillion zero It is safe to assume that there could be a trillion civilazation in the vastness of the whole universe , imagine a universe whose space and time has no.beginnning.
Alien civilizations might exist, but they are probably more rare than we believe (and many want to believe!! ).
If they were common, we would see evidence of a crowded galaxy, or even a crowded local group, yet there is NONE. The fact that the Hubble space telescope has scanned 100000 galaxies for artificial dimming and found NOTHING is strong evidence that alien civilizations are very rare, maybe even to such an extend that in practice they don’t exist because neither for us nor for them it will EVER be possible to contact each other.
@grande6075 Well are you now talking about multiple universes? That's when things get really complicated. If this one was infinite wouldn't it just be filled with light by now? I do like the multiverse theory. A bunch or universes coming into and out of existence. Makes more sense.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. People love quoting that line when it comes to religion, and rightfully so. When it comes to extraterrestrial civilizations, however, those same people get irrationally angry and assert that there must be tons of them out there. For me, the answer to the question will remain “nobody knows” until an extraterrestrial lands on Earth and makes open contact.
Exactly, until then, effectively we are alone. Deal with it.
There was evidence and it was proven that "tic tac' objects were not human made and were from somewhere else
@@tomsytkowski3745 Source: your ass.
@@tomsytkowski3745 link please or stfu
@@tomsytkowski3745 LOL!
Correct. Timing is everything. In all of space and time, intersection of coexisting organisms with culture, language, technology ,or any of the above etc... Unlikely, based on our observations, so far. Currently, it is incalculable. Speculation is fun.
We might be the first ones or just early
Unless they have managed to stick around for a LONG time...
But I also believe that a very small perentage maybe 1 or 2 % of all ufo sightings may be potentially an actual probe from elsewhere in the universe . Human beings could be indistinguishable from rocks to them
@@tomsytkowski3745 Maybe is all we've got, at the moment. It might be other humans... Might be humans from a previous epoch, etc. No telling.
Uhh not if certain beings exist in dimensions where time is not linear.
That thought is simply the most frightening thing i can imagine
Why
Are we alone in the universe? Yes. So there’s no other intelligent civilizations out there? No there are but they are alone too.
That’s deep!
This is like one of the most incoherent thing i ever read on the internet.
@@cristianproust Everything you said are speculations.
What you dont realise is the Pandera Box you are opening with it. I can then say that God is what you find on those others universe and he is always there. Do you understand what i just did? ... everything that is beyond our understanding, can be anything. We have facts and data, and that all tells us that we are alone in THIS universe. everything outside this universe is just speculation, where everything could be possible... even the existence of God.
@@cristianproust First of all... im not american. Im German.
Second... Im a Engineer
Third... who talked about Trump?
Are you ok? Im getting worried
@@zavierorlos1948 I think what the OP @Craig Scott is proposing is that 1. there are many intelligent civilisations out there and that 2. from the perspective of each of those civilisations they are “alone.” The idea is that intelligent civilisations are so widely separated in time and space that the chances of any 2 intelligent civilisations ever coming into contact is practically zero. Each will perceive that they are “alone.” What is “incoherent” about that?
Remember they always say, in order to meet someone, you need a location, but you also need to agree on the TIME to meet. That seems to be always forgotten in the Fermi paradox discussion. The timescale of our universe is so vast that the existence of just the damn TELESCOPE is a super super tiny fraction of a blip on this timescale.. For all we know, there could have been thousands of alien civilizations that have existed throughout history in our backyard, just that no human was around at the right time to observe it.
Yea but they most likely leave evidence of their existence
@@ricomajestic that is true. If they are even a relatively close ten light-years away, will we ever actually find the evidence of their existence?
Because, if we can't find any evidence of them, don't exist to us.
I'd put my money on the hypothesis of the universe teeming with life, and versions of it we are unable to even imagine at this point in our existence.
Your money is vaporware like bitcoin
No...that’s platinum cash right there...I absolutely refuse to believe the universe magically appeared and produced one planet filled with mainly Morons and are the sole living beings in trillions of Miles of unending space...if that’s the case then humanity needs to be wiped out in the name of peace...😑
@@oculusnomadslosttribe5672 i hope he knows when when said a Planet filled with Morons, he is actually included.
@@zavierorlos1948 the level of ego on this guy crazy
so weird kinds of life that we would never guess that that is life.
It also might be more common that life involves in water instead of above it on what is essentially mountain tops. Maybe more life evolves in all the various liquid states of the different planets. Maybe an octopus is the most abundant life form in the universe
I would make love to a mermaid then.
I think I read somewhere that crabs have evolved 5 distinct times on our planet. The universe might be filled with crabs.
@@davidt0504intelligent crabs playing vr games in their underwater theatres powered by nuclear fusion reactors.
Rogan would not last a whole episode with this guy!
@@fredriksvard2603 what are you talking about? Rogan had interviewed Sean Carroll, Brian Greene, Niel degrasse Tyson, lex.
he would keep saying "yeah, but...HAVE YOU SEEN THE TIC TAC UFO?"
Stop acting smart in UA-cam comments. You douchebags dont have anymore answers about this subject than Joe does.
@@fredriksvard2603 then what are the answers smart guy? Explain the mysteries of the universe. What an ego you have.
@@justsomeguy4099 hey man take it easy! im not saying i have more answers than joe im just saying hes really obsessed with the tic tac ufo. i would even argue hes close minded in thinking its aliens. i think lex handles the subject much better. rogan would have stopped max and made him talk about ufos forever, might have even got heated like the crowder one, josh zepps one etc.
I shoulda been a scientist. I've been making this point for years. Contrary to Sagan, the arrogance is not that we think we are the only intelligent life in the universe. The arrogance is thinking there would not be a more advanced intelligence that would have made themselves detectable by now.
That reasoning has always irked me. It’s not “arrogant” to think that we might be alone. The people making this argument always act as if their opponents are beating their chest and screaming “YEEEEAH, FUCK YOU UNIVERSE. EARTH IS NUMBER 1, SUCK IT!”. Saying that Earth might be uniquely suited to life is no more arrogant than saying that you have unique fingerprints, or unique DNA.
“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
I don’t know why but it feels more terrifying that we may be alone
Jesper Ekgren What here on Earth?
@@sirbaconbutties7071 no in the universe
@@sirbaconbutties7071 not that I think we are but if we would be all alone in the whole universe it’s terrifying to me.
Jesper Ekgren What if they are all around us at all times and the things that going bump in the night is really just them spying on us wearing their Harry Potter invisibility Cloaks laughing at how idiotic we are.
The fact nobody is coming for you, doesn't necessarily mean you are alone...
We are being monitored, by our 'big brother' something with knowledge of everything we know, and don't know.
Just like in real life
Exactly, as they say, the day is not quite done
@@sykokat so the government?
@@chrisg4305 maybe if they have knowlege from captured aliens, but mostly from a extraterrestrial force
As Max Planck states: "I regard Consciousness as fundamental and matter as derived from Consciousness. We are not alone but just do not recognize all the consciousness around us
and seem to think we live in a non-living Universe instead of a gigantic living organism with multi levels of consciousness. Modern science is stuck in the dark ages till they accept this.
And then it stops being science, instead assumptions. Anyway, thank you for bringing the attention to the Max Planck quote.
@@tomhummel2641 im afraid science cant solve existence biggest questions.. might as well philosophize on it lol
@@mikechrist9699 why or what is the meaning of something itself an absurd question. Why something exist or what is the meaning of it in itself is absurd and not possible to answered with fulfilling answer.
Such a stupid quote
That's deep.
1) Radio waves scatter and become weaker over galactic distances. 2) FTL travel seems impossible. Therefore, there may be lots of life out there, and we've just not gotten lucky enough to catch a communication signal.
.... Or to be close enough to anyone in order to hear them.
Of course, we've only really been at it for decades. That is a pretty darn short window.
"We are the only intelligent civilization"
Somebody hand me a prozac. Actually, give me the whole bottle.
This is better. Human race just activated biggest hero story
GET SUM WHOLE SALE TO B SURE
We elected Biden. The most senile and corrupt man in Washington, who is already helping corporations rob us and lurching toward war. Not very intelligent. And no, I didn't say Trump was better. It's just that given his entire history, Biden is absolutely Worse.
@@cybervigilante Juries still out on your first claim.
@@gps9715 Lol
Some times I think the Universe is a form of intelligence. It has optimal communications with its self. It refines the future sheding the past, as shredding is not its goal. Seems that way but the over all picture is not seen yet. Earth is a shed of energy, a chalice, arc. There are many ancient names for this.
Can easily play Lex on 1.75 speed and it still sounds natural.
The universe and life around you only happens from your own personal perspective no matter what life form you happen to be.
Considering the unimaginable span of time and space, and the extremely brief period of our specie’s potential total timeline, yes for all practical purposes, we are alone in the Universe.
Agreed, with the correction that we are *likely* alone in the universe, for all practical purposes.
There is always a chance that we may find out that this wrong in the future.
@ no argument here ✌️
meanwhile aliens are asking themselves the same thing
Lol n how u know this?
Hahaha...hilarious . This topic is so perplexing , mulling over it is a waste of time.
Prove that they are saying all this.
I believe what distance us from 👽 is habitatiual elements and organic differences that’s separate our species from communicating but not impossible to achieve ,DETERMINATION IS THE 🔑 TO LIFE
Two thoughts, one, if we're alone in the universe that would most likely demonstrate a profound principle of the universe, one that might be at the nexus of science and philosophy. Two, if aliens are very advanced, then it might be the case that colonizing a galaxy might be as unpalatable as attempting to live in the middle of the ocean as a human being and simply none of them would do it.
Humans live on ships in the middle of the ocean
@@justno984 My point exactly. Why would you want more of this primitive existence?
Other creatures inhabit a habitat for years without leaving a destructive mark on it. On the other hand humans always leave destructive marks anywhere they inhabit. The most common attribute of an invasive species not indigenous to an ecosystem. Maybe we ard the aliens we are searching for and can't stop talking about. Maybe we crashed on here on a meteorite that ended the dinosaurs lol
Nice
He is essentially saying the 000000.1 chance of life being in the whole universe is us. Doesn’t matter if there was before or after we are the only life that is now. And so we can say as of right now we are the only existence in the universe.
I don't think he is saying that.
I do think you meant 0.000001?
What you typed sounds like one in 10 chance.
We might be alone in the universe but, given how things are going, it's more likely that we'll just die out before anyone finds us, or vice versa.
I doubt that we'll die out, some of the humans will survive even all nuclear bombs were used, because humans are ubiquitous in this globe. And even far future we'll likely to be multiplanetary species and that will make extinction much less likely.
If it’s true that 99% of species that have existed on earth are now extinct, it may be that extinction is just the normal outcome for all species including ours. And if that were to happen, the earth would continue to spin without us. We humans are relevant to ourselves, but not to the universe.
@@clarino2 - Given trending here on Earth, I wonder how many civilizations have really nothing left of them except for the AI that they left behind, and if that might be the prevailing surviving form of intelligence in the galaxy/universe. The support requirements for any kind of biomechanics is a big vulnerability/disadvantage in the end.
Highly unlikely. Even a worldwide nuclear catastrophy won't totally annihilate mankind. We would just morph and adapt to the new reality....at least the unfortunate frwth
I think humans can survive anything because of our nature to adapt to new realities
Carl Sagan was said " we are a way for the cosmos to know itself. The conscious aspect of the universe." Best reason I've ever heard for our existence. If so it follows if we are indeed the conscious aspest of the universe there would be no need for another consciousness to understand it. I got nothing against aliens necessarily, but I think we're alone.
Love listening to max would watch one with him any time
Distance is prohibitive to ever knowing.
The only way it would make sense for us to be alone is if it was a simulation other than that there’s life out there!!!!
Not a simulation, a dream.
Time is tied to Planetary Mass, knowledge grows inside of it. Applying knowledge transfers energy and pushes Time outward/forward.
Life is scarce on one hand. On the other, space is more vast than we can process. I think there could be an 'Alone' as in zero other advanced life- and there could be Alone in terms of distances, voids creating a practical, spatial isolation. It's like being in the middle of the arctic wilderness without any transportation. One could be Alone in terms of anyone finding you, or you reaching civilization. This could scale to the Milky Way and beyond.
I do think it might be wishful of us to assume there are advanced aliens that have conquered the laws of physics to such a degree that they can bridge the gaps. I include myself in that thinking.
Even if they can close the gaps, I imagine its still an resource-intense business. I mean, we have the techincal capability to send advanced probes to many planets and moons in the Solar system, and have had for quite some time. But what we have managed is to send some to our moon and two to Mars.
On that note, the first sign we would see of other civilisations should be autonomous probes, is my guess.
yes like civilization islands that develop independently that never see each
If we are alone in the universe this favours creationism over abiogenesis.
We're not alone, we're being left alone, and with good reason. Earth is where the crazies' are.
We grew naturally more towards the center, but humans were destructive assholes, but they couldn't bear to eliminate us (music, art, etc), so they moved us to the edge of nowhere- no more damage! ...unless we manage to leave...
You don’t know that. Life can be more rare than you think. It could be that only one planet in every billion whole universes have life.
Two things worth thinking about, the extremely low probability of abiogenisis occurring even in ideal conditions, and even if it does occur, the liveliness that it creates a life form capable of advanced space exploration. The earth is teeming with life, without a doubt, over 8.7M species of plants and animals. But of them, only one species with the level of sentience required to harness resources effectively at scale. It's clearly arguable that we are an incredibly unique and uncommon animal species that lives far outside the normal resource equilibrium that all other animals seem to abide by. I'm frustrated that this fact never comes up in any of these discussions.
I don't know how there could be an example other than abiogenesis that created life.
The alternative is as likely as life magically appearing because of magic.
Speculating that there is a creator doesn't make sense to me. Where did the creator come from? Who created it?
At some point, you have to actually get to a real beginning and we don't currently have any solid answer to that.
To actually think that we are alone in this modern time is actually an ancient way of thinking.
Agreed....just in past 7 yrs alone it's highly accepted it is pretty much impossible for us to be alone. The slow drip feed is dripping at a faster rate
No, he did not say that we are alone, he saying that there's no civilization that progressed enough to exploring the space
A galactic or intergalactic civilization won't need a particular planet to live on if they didn't want to. They would have technology, for example to extract energy from a star as their fuel.
They could use base elements to manufacture complex elements.
The thing about detection in my view is, are we asking the correct questions of the universe?
Standing on the beach looking out across the ocean with our eyes, can we see the fish beneath the surface? We need specific tools and filters to see them below the surface.
That was probably the worst analogy i've ever heard but good try😂😂😂
If there are lot of civilization in this galaxy, we can literally detect the construction like Dyson sphere and other stuff, extracting the energy.
@@Gingnose A classic Dyson Sphere would envelope the star entirely and absorb 100% of it's radiation for energy conversion.
@@ThexBorg good point, but you need to extract the energy which can be observed
@@Gingnose If the Dyson Sphere full encapsulates the star we may not see any evidence as the sphere may appear as dark as the background
Extracting energy/Stellar Lifting would easily be observed if the Dyson Sphere was not completely enclosing the star.
This might explain the over abundance of white and brown dwarf stars.
He’s describing what we interpret as instinct and inspiration
I have 1 question then. My sister and I were followed by a ufo in 1977 the three lights merged to one and it Shot off at least 10× faster then a shooting star, so my question is, where the hell did that come from.?
The more complex and numerous the interactions, the higher likely hood, life will arise.
I hope we're alone, wouldn't it be embarrassing to meet anybody else? Wouldn't they just want our stuff?
The universe is all the same stuff, they dont want any of ours lol
The end of this segment was truly inspiring
It actually is, isn't it!
Of course, I'll forget about this in a day or two but for the moment anyway, it's kind of a beautifully humbling and inspirational thought...
I didn't find it particularly inspiring. I'm not sure that I would even call it empowering.
I don't feel empowered to have a notable impact upon the future of our planet. At least, not beyond the responsible things I already do. For me, the idea doesn't change how I feel about anything. I can't honestly say that I think the future of life in the universe is particularly important. For all I know, it may not be worthwhile.
If I was inspired I imagined I would change some behaviors in the future to protect our planet. But, I don't think I am actually going to change any behaviors as a result of his idea.
The clam living on the bottom of the ocean in the mud also thinks its alone. Maybe we are clams in the mud.
People need to read more Orson Scott Card: when we meet intelligent alien life, it is possible we may not recognize it as being alive.
Doctor Who did some episodes on that theme years ago.
I have gotten addicted to the 3 body problem series and then spoilers from the book. Even with the dark forest hypothesis, it assumes too many thingss. Especially that advanced civilization would prefer to hide, whereas space is more like a desert or ocean where there is no where to hide.
In the WHOLE universe? Certainly not.
There is only one correct answer…(we don’t know)
To even think we might be alone in the Universe is crazy ..
Jaundiced Johnny Marr explains why The Smiths spilt.
We are alone, deal with it.
I think he is absolutely correct, and it's all really up to us, and there isn't any other intelligent life in the observable universe.
Why does this remind me of the Chris Farley interview skits on snl?
Everything in this univers has its roll, we are made to reach out and use the resources to evolve and if thier is another intelligent planet out thier, then they are doing the same thing and have the same goal but if we are the first, we surely will not be the last
Humans: Still have to colonize on other planets or learn how to lasso asteroids
Also Humans: We're all alone, b/c we understand everything!
Tardigrade: How's it going?!
i mean, only nervous systems can get out of a planet??
Imagine traveling 3mm per day, by the speed of light. Then imagine continue doing that for a 100km or 60miles. It would take 100.000 (light)years, the same diameter as our milky way galaxy
The cosmos are light made of light and the "other lifeforms" show themselves when we look.
Ah, you've seen them too?
First of all, traveling through interstellar space is not like Star Trek, where space seems "lit up." Travel beyond the heliopause is very dark. It's like being in a deep sea submerisible with no lights. The stars are visible, but there's no atmosphere for any diffraction. Also, interstellar space is really cold-near absolute zero. Your spacecraft is extremely fragile and could easily shatter. Matter becomes a condensate and cosmic rays can rip atoms from material by the dozens every second. The Voyager spacecraft will gradually disintegrate into flakes and dust long before reaching any star.
There could be superior intelligent life right here on Earth and we'd never know it. We could just be mistaking intelligent activity for natural processes.
Example?
@@justsomeguy4099 The point is that we'd never know...
@@blogintonblakley2708 you said natural processes. Like what natural processes?
@@justsomeguy4099 Like stuff that happens naturally in nature. Tides, disease, earthquakes, weather, photosynthesis, selection, etc.
@@blogintonblakley2708 sounds like hippie talk to me
Think! We are _absolutely_ alone. But that does not mean we are not observed.
Early Greeks wondered if they're alone as an advanced civilization, until they stumbled upon Persians.
Then Greeks, Persians and Chinese wondered if they're alone on this Earth, until Native Americans were discovered.
Then we wondered if we're alone as a technologically capable species, until historians found other 7 extinct humanoid species that were also technologically capable.
And now we wonder if we're the only civilization in the universe, until we stumble upon Aliens.
Then together with Aliens we will wonder if we're the only life in multiple universe array.
We can go on like this forever.
The point is, yes.
We will always be alone, but we never were alone.
Bad analogy.
This fine gentleman has mastered the art of saying a lot while saying nothing at the same time. “I’ve worked in the private sector. They expect results!”
If we truly are alone in the universe, should we open up a bit more to there being a creator? or to the possibility that we live in a simulation? Even if life is rare, or an accident, with the trillions and trillions of circumstances that other solar systems have produced that are similar to the one that provides us life, there should be other forms of life out there. After all, life is just a bunch of chemical reactions right? There are trillions of circumstances life can exist in in the same conditions that we exist in, and if they don’t then how possible is it that we were put here on purpose?
This. If we are truly that rare and unique, a single (or a handful) of Edens amongst an infinite number of dead worlds, then why not call it a godly intervention/ coincidence?
@@Wüstenfuchs12209Because we have zero evidence of that either
We aren't alone. There's thousands and thousands of intelligent species right here on earth
Maybe we should start to care more about these species on our planet then worrying about life from distant galaxies that we will probably never meet or know exist
@@robertmorici8605 well spoken
We probably are alone in this universe. But this universe likely isn’t alone.
Scary thought. The universe is too big for that not to trouble anyone that we are alone
Just for the sake of argument, let's assume we are alone in the Universe. Isn't that assumption the direct result of the yearning that there actually were other life in the Universe precisely because we don't want to feel alone? Think about it deeply.
Think of it this way, isn't infinity also so hard to comprehend because what you are afraid of is that the Universe might in fact be finite, which is why you always refuse to stop thinking about what is beyond the known outter limit, instead of merely accepting that beyond the finite edges of the observable universe be absolutely nothing at all (which in essence points out that what we truly don't understand is finitiness).
It's important to understand where questions come from, because they reveal more about our innate intuition than we think. And therein lie many answers. We are wiser than we know.
Its brain dead to think we Are alone..
A sample size of one is what you're basing your assesment on.
@Karim Khloufi: "That's not an argument".
Well prove otherwise... because saying .. we are not alone , without any factual evidence, doesn’t make your argument , vailed .
What if interstellar travel and communication are much more difficult than our current scientists make them out to be? They always seem to take for granted than an alien civilization given enough time could travel and conquer the galaxy. What if nobody has ever figured out how to harness enough energy to fold space-time, which is the only "realistic" way to travel to another solar system.
There is NO WAY anyone knows the answer to this question. We barely have a sense of the Milky Way, let alone another galaxy. The hubris to even make that argument is palpable.
the most important theory Ive heard yet, because it just confirms what a lot of sages have been saying for centuries, Raise consciousness through meditation, wake up and see that everything we need is inside of us and on this planet.
That sounds like a statement that is too ambiguous to be useful.
Clearly, everyone that gets up and gets ready and goes to work for their own survival has accepted that they have everything they need within them and in this planet.
The billions of people alive and who have lived lives in the past also proves the same thing.
A child that died at age 5 would tell you that you are wrong. What he needed did not exist.
I don't know how meditating changes any of this.
"go Hitler om the galaxy" they're gonna come here and blame us for their economy collapsing
He’s like that 40 year old bloke coked up in the smoking area telling people about conspiracies 🤣
Those are the most interesting to have coke conversations with
Be good stewards. Don't be lazy. You have responsibilities. You are special.
We know for a fact that this is an intelligent-life making universe.
It is part of what it is. It is self evident.
On only one planet!
@@ricomajestic as far as we know but the principle remains, the universe can make intelligent life given infinite time it's guaranteed to happen repeatedly.
Along with infinite space it's also guaranteed to happen concurrently.
One of the interesting things about human technology and human cognitive evolution, is that there HAVE been plateaus. We haven't spent millions of years on ham radios, but we HAVE spent millions of years on stone tools. Technological innovations in the stone age were comparatively few and far between, compared with the relative explosion that followed the agricultural revolution.
Theres unmistakable progress during the plataeus thoguh... In those early days technology progress is waiting for our brains to grow bigger, which does with every succcesive generation
@@kienlou2945 that's precisely my point
Oh is it? They are saying that civilizations dont last long in this current technological phaze we are in... Which may be true.. Plataeus also happen though.. I guess that when our brains and technology was in the stone age.. There was just no capability to evolve tech till the brains got bigger.. Later on with better reasoning, humans slowly grasps science and accumulate machine tools and tech accelerates. Industrial platuea lasted 200 years maybe? Then with computers invented,.. Its another accelerated growth period, when AI becomes very sophisticated there will be another explosive acceleration.. The plataeus are lasting shorter and shorter because we have built 'brains' that have no end in sight in rate of improvement it seems
Listening to him talk was like pulling teeth
i agree. hes fucking terrible at formulating his thoughts into words
But he knew that he was taking the thought in a different direction than Lex. Most astronomers and many scientists have faith that there is life in some part of the universe. True probability, may dictate that there is only one.
@@beefcakeman1525 what exactly didn't you understand?
@@jackiepuppet_5324 i didnt say i misunderstood anything or that he is wrong about anything he said. im just saying its hard for him to communicate his thoughts into words. which it clearly is.
@@Homunculas fuck it. you right.
The speed of light plays a significant role. If the limit holds true and it looks like it will, then intelligent species will be solar empires and not interstellar empires. The former being much more difficult to detect. It will make no sense to colonize multiple stars since you would not be able to communicate and therefore would basically be castaways who will evolve differently over time.
It’s a good possibility we’re being visited by humans thousands of years from now
This makes the most sense, time travel. Travelling back in time to alter events and change the future
No backwards time travel, just no
I wouldnt call it a good possiblity, backwards time travel would be overwhelmingly problematic
Could it not be that the light just hasn’t reached us yet?
Glitch in the matrix @ 8:50 Just kidding but still, weird...
There are countless human beings right now that are alone in universe.Maybe we should focus our intellectual efforts and resources in helping them find a compassionate civilization near them.
Man looks like he's describing how big the fish he caught was while talking
He assumes that atleast 1 of the potential millions of civilizations would venture out to discover other life forms and since we haven't met them there must not be any civilizations. However he fails to consider that the civilizations that do venture out may have the necessary tech to stay hidden.
So the point of staying hidden is?
why did you assume that all the millions of civilization will use the hidden technology, and even have access to it?
Classifying humans as intelligent species is a little rich in 2021 lol
I'm guessing the reason that we hope there are ETs is because we know we are screwing up big time here on earth. And, we like to think that if we destroy ourselves, the universe will not be empty of all consciousness, to be aware of the universe's existence; to appreciate it. But if we are the only ones in the universe, then the burden falls solely on us to survive, to be the consciousness, to be the custodians of the universe. We become the Essence of the universe.
Earthling exceptionalism. You have to be quite the narcissist.
What is narcissistic about that? You act like he’s boasting about how great he is because he was born on Earth. Is it narcissistic to assume that you have unique DNA among the trillions of organisms on Earth?
@@N0TYALC same type of human-centric myopia that lead to the belief that the solar system revolves around Earth. That liquid water is rare. That exoplanets are rare or nonexistent.
@@sandwichrtist4556 Oops, looks like you forgot to respond to my comment. Let me reiterate, is it narcissistic to think that you have unique DNA from the trillions of other organisms on Earth?
I have always dug this guy.
He doesn't express his complex ideas well - disjointed and halting.
true, speaks jumpy. Oh well...keep up!
If we were only 100 light years from earth we would look at earth and have no idea there is intelligent life on it. So there very well might be tons of civilizations in our own galaxy.
Right. That's what I've been saying, nobody seems to consider this. Outside of about 300 light years, aka around the time of the enlightenment (oh boy, did we wake up...). Outside of that timeframe, humans might as well be fauna, they were not on the same level of consciousness we are today.
Outside of about 20,000 light-years, humans would literally be indistinguishable from what we consider "animal life" today. Even 20,000 is being highly generous, before we started changing our climate we were basically undetectable.
Go all Hitler on the galaxy ?
More like go all British empire on the galaxy 😂
The way the human species treats his fellow humans this might be a good thing
If you're trying to communicate w something located 5 billion lightyears away remember that you're currently receiving information from 5 billion years ago, but also it's been moving away from there for 5 billion years. If you send communications right now to where you think it will end up in 5 billions years, then you have to wait for a response from them in 5 billion years from when they receive the communication if they properly calculated where we will end up in 5 billion years.
Two of the Great People, in my Little Book of Great People.
7:15 'and not a single one decided to go like Hitler on the galaxy' , there's your answer why nobody wants to visit us
Are we alone? And how do you factor in the multiverse? Deja vu? How is it possible?
We can speculate all we want but will only know when we know either way.
Hardly alone, there's 7bn of us and we are surrounded by millions of other species.