Dear Elektron, This Is the Groovebox We've Always Wanted. // Roland SH-4D

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 299

  • @el_dani
    @el_dani Рік тому +47

    Roland will just cut the support in 3 years, while on the other side Elektron delivered an update for their Machinedrum in 2016 - that's 15 years after release - in 15 years there won't be anybody in Roland's support even knowing there was ever an "SH-4D"

    • @cerumen
      @cerumen Рік тому +10

      How much support do these things need though? You often get users making custom firmware too

    • @J-Hz
      @J-Hz Рік тому +15

      Buy gear for what they are now, not what they might be in future. Also tr8s, mc707 are still getting updates.

    • @RDiefenbach
      @RDiefenbach 11 місяців тому +4

      Analog 4 has had an insane lack of support in recent years - so much unused potential:(

    • @Shampoid
      @Shampoid 11 місяців тому +3

      Dudes seething

    • @beesting6135
      @beesting6135 11 місяців тому +11

      Elektron is overpriced

  • @Kofla2000
    @Kofla2000 Рік тому +13

    I feel like the Roland SH-4d is like the Electribe MX 2 should have been.

  • @pablodiegomusic
    @pablodiegomusic Рік тому +28

    This machine is very powerful, and it has many possibilities for live performances, but I believe it can't be compared to the analog sound of an A4. On the other hand, the workflow of Elektron machines is one of those things that you either love or hate, and I suppose I'm one of those who love them.

    • @ChumpyDumps
      @ChumpyDumps Рік тому +8

      I feel like it’s either a love or didn’t learn situation tbh lol.

    • @pablodiegomusic
      @pablodiegomusic Рік тому +4

      @@ChumpyDumps I think the same when people tell me that the A4 (or AR) is overrated. It requires spending many hours in front of it trying to understand how everything works and then how to use it to create amazing things. However, the reward is tremendous.

    • @ChumpyDumps
      @ChumpyDumps Рік тому +4

      @@pablodiegomusic yeah, the A4 is underrated if anything. It’s one of the best Elektrons and a hell of a synth.

    • @beesting6135
      @beesting6135 Рік тому +3

      Overpriced

    • @matthewkinne7662
      @matthewkinne7662 17 днів тому +1

      Elektron is either love or "I can't fukin remember how to use thing because I have a life and can't sit with this thing 3 hours a day 7 days a week".

  • @djkanyon
    @djkanyon Рік тому +37

    Biggest problem in this unit is the... Roland sound. And i don't mean an oldschool Roland sound (like Juno or Juno Alpha). It's a "new-ish" Roland of Zen fame (or infamy). But let's give props to Roland, while Korg fanboys (me included) waiting on Electribe 3, Roland be making them grooveboxes one after another.

    • @pablodiegomusic
      @pablodiegomusic Рік тому +10

      The funny thing is that Behringer is the brand that comes closest to the original Roland sound, even more than Roland itself.

    • @briannhinton
      @briannhinton Рік тому +2

      So easy to throw a pedal in the sound chain or use the 90 effects to alter the tones.

    • @djkanyon
      @djkanyon Рік тому +1

      @@pablodiegomusictrue!

    • @Station2Station-du2gh
      @Station2Station-du2gh Рік тому +1

      Sounds terrible.

    • @scamculture
      @scamculture Рік тому +2

      Roland gets pretty dicey after the 90s. I think they coast on the reputation of the Jupiters and Junos and drum machines too much, cause most of their gear reminds me more of the Gaia. Cheap, silly sounding VA. I did love the JD-800 though.

  • @christianbelzer
    @christianbelzer 35 хвилин тому

    This is how to review music gear! Thanks!

  • @TheAlburp
    @TheAlburp Рік тому +23

    I don’t think the Elektron stuff was ever supposed to be an “all in one solution”

    • @Andronicus2007
      @Andronicus2007 Рік тому +3

      Yeah, they wanna make you addicted, but will only give a little taste per product! 😅

    • @jasonbeatty831
      @jasonbeatty831 Рік тому +3

      The A4 does. Sort of. But not really. It’s a weird box. I love it, but it isn’t great as a groove box, but not a fantastic synth either.

    • @hadrien5697
      @hadrien5697 Рік тому +6

      It was supposed to be when they only had MD and MNM but since their new business models is about multiplying the products and making sure each one doesnt have an overlap of functions with the other it's def the case now.

    • @thegreatsiberianitch
      @thegreatsiberianitch Рік тому +3

      ​@@Andronicus2007exactly what roland does and its super obvious the functionality could be there, but roland's UIs are blech. Its like they don't even spend time using their own gear...

    • @softsmoken
      @softsmoken Рік тому +1

      Yea they very purposefully make them so you need some piece of each.... really kinda slimy. But whatever.

  • @avesnabla8801
    @avesnabla8801 Рік тому +28

    I'm not sure if the Elektron Analog Four is a fair comparison as its engineered with the limitations of analog design. The Korg Minilogue is limited to four voices as well due to its analog design. The Roland SH-4d I think is DSP based and allows for the polyphony on each part or track.

    • @Station2Station-du2gh
      @Station2Station-du2gh Рік тому

      Bad review by this girl. She's just all jacked up and caffeinated. Completely irrelevant products. I'm exhausted just listen to her 180bpm narration here.

    • @Neoris_Band
      @Neoris_Band Рік тому +1

      Of course it's DSP based. You practically can't get such a big analog polyphony using just 4 AA batteries. Operational amplifiers can be very power hungry. Even Korg didn't changed this in their Volca analog synths although their approach to the minimisation of analog gear is outstanding!

    • @christopherkiyui8071
      @christopherkiyui8071 9 місяців тому

      I caught myself reading "polygamy"😂

    • @ET2carbon
      @ET2carbon 5 місяців тому

      ​@@Neoris_Bandummm. Uno synth.

    • @ET2carbon
      @ET2carbon 5 місяців тому

      ​@@Neoris_Bandmodal

  • @_c_y_p_3
    @_c_y_p_3 Рік тому +8

    Roland did a good job here, that 64 step limit a bit limited haha but yeah you are saying always exactly what I was thinking. This could be lots of fun. I been using the SP404MKII and an ipad with my sample library and a huge synth and fx collection, I like the portability a lot and I know the apps like Gadget, Cubasis, Beatmaker3, it goes fast , its simple, sounds good, I am pretty happy. Lately I been sampling Massive into a microsampler so I have all my fav synths available in one place.

  • @sinewaymusic
    @sinewaymusic Рік тому +12

    The thing you pay a premium for with Elektron *is* the workflow. Compare that against this Roland product and it's easy to feel the difference: Non-endless knobs on a synth that share them across 5 tracks?! Patterns and preset save workflows that make you want to throw it out the window? No song mode? No ctrl+all? Etc etc. Because of this, it's unfortunately not even close to the Elektron we've always wanted.
    Yes, polyphony and the sound engine is great of course, and the usb-c power is nice, but that's about it.

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe Рік тому

      It slaps electron for me endlessly encoders don’t even notice and song mode the mpc don’t have one ya have to play it like use mutes get creative and record live it still has 64 steps 4 pages ya can chain anyways ya like and the sound to me is way better

    • @m.richards6947
      @m.richards6947 Рік тому

      I will just stick with my laptop if we're talking workflow. I've tried so many of these grooveboxes over the years and they always feel like programming an alarm clock.

    • @SonicVibe
      @SonicVibe Рік тому

      @@m.richards6947 lol I was just using iPad production ditched a lot of gear but ultimately missed the gear ⚙️ kinda think I need a mix of gear and daw to be happy both have pros and cons

  • @RobertSaintJohn
    @RobertSaintJohn Рік тому +6

    Glad to see an old friend who likes the SH-4d as much as I do. It’s been my favorite piece of gear since I got it in March. It’s nice to have something so portable, with a great control layout, and such a breadth of sound. I do agree on the performance features, more immediate variety needed. A great casual synth/groovebox.

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  Рік тому +2

      I can confirm this is an OG Dawless friend 😎

  • @Gainn
    @Gainn Рік тому +3

    Has room for obvious improvements which is starting to seem quite deliberate with Roland gear.
    It's like they miss off a few things they already figured out to make it look like they're still working on it.
    128 steps, pattern chaining, count in and more PCM/wavetables amongst others.

  • @dvamateur
    @dvamateur Місяць тому

    Well, Roland is a very good synthesizer brand. D-50, JD-800, V-Synth, Jupiter-X, Juno-X, should I go on? Elektron synthesizers be like... ummm... Well, I you want something from Sweden, get a Nord. Fantastic stage keyboards.

  • @nuitnoire8627
    @nuitnoire8627 2 місяці тому

    I believe my old MC-307 is 10 times more powerful soundwise, but comes with horrible menu-diving hassle. If I had the money I would probably get this SH-4D

  • @fakshen1973
    @fakshen1973 Рік тому +3

    Do you want real DCO analog or Roland's simulated analog? No judgment. It's just a question of comparison.

    • @PorchBass
      @PorchBass Рік тому

      I think the very high treble region on these sounds digital but they are very usable. UA-cam flatters them.

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  Рік тому

      on a groovebox I don't mind the digital sacrifice for the polyphony

  • @Teleken1968
    @Teleken1968 5 місяців тому +2

    Another great call from you. Got my SH-4d delivered today, all of about an hour ago. GREAT sounds and SO easy to use… I‘ll agree with other reviewers in that the sequencer may be a bit limited, but I can drive it with my Oxi One if I need more than the internal sequencer provides. At $650? A decent deal. At $500 courtesy of the Roland Spring Sale? Absolutely a no brainer.
    Thanks again for the pointers - my tabletop rig is taking shape. :)

  • @Dewane1511
    @Dewane1511 Рік тому +17

    This is why the octatrack is elektron crowning achievement . It actually the best sampler/groovebox to come out in the last 12-15 years. To bad the engineers left who help put it together .

    • @Nothingspeshalwaysfresh
      @Nothingspeshalwaysfresh Рік тому +3

      They are now FORS and Opal is available to us all now for under $100. Not hardware but this makes their departure not so bad.

    • @illegalgiant_
      @illegalgiant_ Рік тому +3

      @@Nothingspeshalwaysfreshdifferent engineer made octa and are doing opal. ess seems to have had a helping hand but seemed to be the digitone fm dude and you can see that in the fors products pretty clearly

    • @Nothingspeshalwaysfresh
      @Nothingspeshalwaysfresh Рік тому

      @@illegalgiant_ ah thanks for the clarity! 😀

    • @simonyricools
      @simonyricools Рік тому

      @@illegalgiant_ Yeah, Ess started working there in 2016, long after the Octatrack.

    • @drconflict629
      @drconflict629 11 місяців тому

      I honestly prefer Drambo with a controller over my Octatrack these days. WAY more convenient and unlimited tracks.

  • @nexuzeb79
    @nexuzeb79 Рік тому +4

    I want it, sounds great indeed with it's own engine! For a cheaper buck the Roland S-1 looks pretty capable as well!

    • @tommyk88888
      @tommyk88888 Рік тому +1

      Probably sounds much better too

  • @jedmarsillo
    @jedmarsillo Рік тому +4

    Love the SH-4d! Glad you featured it. The drum section would be better if you could change whole patterns like you said but you can adjust them in real time which is cool for live performance. You can mute and unmute any drum sound on the fly. I have built up some nice drops by bringing in drum sounds I had muted then unmuting them in real time. It's actually pretty fun to do. If you hold down the Pattern/edit button you can mute/unmute any individual drum sound or any of the 5 parts on the fly. Great for live performance.

  • @Necrobot777
    @Necrobot777 6 місяців тому +1

    I can't front on Roland! My SH-4d is everything I hoped it would be! I can make layers of acid.. the filter sounds perfect to my ears!! The LFO is all at my fingertips and plays well with heavy drones bass... just as it should!!
    So the night I got my SH-4d, the marriage made in heaven was consummated by midi coupling it with my Korg Drumlogue and OG Polyend Play.
    It took about a half-hour to get the midi routing figured out... but now, I can make the same level of breakcore and acid that I was doing in Ableton... complete with film-clip samples and all.
    TheCurrent Setup:
    Drumlogue: I use mine unconventional to play chopped up breaks, layered upon each other as deemed necessary by the track/atmosphere/build-ups/breakdowns
    Polyend Play: atmosphere and chopped speech/film-clips/news-clips
    SH-4d: The Primary Melodies and Basses, Layers of Squelchy Melodic Rephlexian Acid, Wobbly LFO Bass, Droney LFO Bass, Some Drums
    The SH-4d was exactly the missing element for making the type of acid/IDM/breakcore that I wanted to make. I was on the fence about it... but goddammit!! I'm glad I went with the knowledge from watching Loopop's tutorials, because it was exactly what I was missing!
    Pros... sound and ease of use
    Cons... no song-mode
    I'm getting by okay without a song-mode, but using three devices with only two hands... c'mon Roland... help out yer customer base... throw us a bone... let us chain 64 patterns... meh... why stop there? Make it 128 patterns... just like my Polyend.
    So, now-a-days, with the SH-4d, Drumlogue, Polyend Play trio, I can finally make the level of 100% DAWless jams that I always wanted to make... about one or two a week.
    But to do it live in one take, it gets dicey with only two hands and no dedicated song-mode.
    Still... I can't front on Roland!!

  • @user-vd3if4wq6m
    @user-vd3if4wq6m 6 місяців тому

    The last line of Roland stuff that came out (all that neon green) disappointed me. Kinda like the Dr. Dre Beats for synths. I wont buy anything from Roland after that stuff. If this shows up in my studio ill give it a shot of course.

  • @jeno.javori_music
    @jeno.javori_music 5 місяців тому

    Good video, my opinion and problemn with this device : No unqantized recording, only ~50 Pcm - Sample import, ahh

  • @brianwilliams4686
    @brianwilliams4686 6 місяців тому

    I had this machine for maybe 5 days. It is a decent synth, it is an awful groove box. No project structure, only individually saved patterns, sounds have to be saved separate and changing a sound changes it universally. I returned it thinking maybe a firmware update would eventually come to remedy this, but a year later no such firmware update has appeared. I typically really like Roland’s modern offerings, but skip this one for sure.

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  6 місяців тому

      I would love to see a full blown groovebox with all the voices and all the good stuff from this in an Elektron unit!

  • @dfpguitar
    @dfpguitar Рік тому +1

    Tbf the electron synths are analogue so ofc they are bulkier, antiquated with less polyphony etc

  • @tribeoflife1046
    @tribeoflife1046 6 місяців тому

    liking your vibe, what you said about old and new equipment is so true, looking into a new sampler for my dj sets as we speak. hope to colab sometime. 😀👍

  • @VincentsVideoVisions
    @VincentsVideoVisions Рік тому +3

    The beauty of the a4 is all about the sequencer. Also an A4 isnt 1700 bucks... you can find the og one for like 500-600. Also with p-locks every you can have a completely different sound per step on every track so despite the fact that its only 4 voices, it can sound like so much more. Elektron stuff rules for good reason

  • @thelibrarian3734
    @thelibrarian3734 8 місяців тому

    Are you mad?
    You literally have insane control over every single drum sound on the shd 4 d!

  • @dracul74
    @dracul74 Рік тому +3

    I own an Elektron A4 mk 1 (bought it this year). I agree with a lot of your comments on the usability of it, but the analog sound from it is a bit unreal. Actually surprised me how good the basses are. For me the sound is what I want and so getting the mk 1 allowed me to save more than $1000… get the sound and sequencer I wanted. I do still own a mc 707 and so integrated a lot of the Roland classic sounds too. Agree they are still worthwhile!

  • @diversionesconvenuslausinr8791
    @diversionesconvenuslausinr8791 10 місяців тому +1

    Dear Jade, this is a series boutique the same, Roland left the projects in 2 years, Elektron not!, and sounds better more better than Roland

  • @_cocoalabs
    @_cocoalabs Рік тому +3

    It does support audio over usb, separate tracks in fact!

  • @screamclown
    @screamclown Рік тому +2

    I HATE the keyboard and I do not like the sequencer... BUT... 4 synths and a fully fledged drum synth? and think of this: Duplicate your patch onto a second track and assign the same midi channel. Pan track 1 to the left and track 2 to the right: BOOM! Binaural synth baby. That is my update wish: a dedicated binaural function where you can tie two tracks together more easily.

    • @screamclown
      @screamclown Рік тому

      I pair it with my Squarp Pyramid and it's like a full studio.

    • @Andronicus2007
      @Andronicus2007 Рік тому

      Yes sequencer sucks. If it had an Elektron style sequencer, with song mode and a decent screen, polyphonic stereo sampling, solid build and decent screen, it would be an Elektron killer!

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  Рік тому +1

      Pyramid FTW!

    • @screamclown
      @screamclown Рік тому

      I LOVE my Pyramid. It lets me use all of my gear at once. Also, while it’s a bit big to describe as portable, it is lightweight and will run for days off a power brick.

  • @pongtrometer
    @pongtrometer Рік тому +1

    why didn't ROLAND make a sampling engine, standard digital voice to accompany the synth engines, one hits and phrase sampling etc, especially with elastic audio and their DBEAM technology for performance.

  • @SIAKPHDLIVE
    @SIAKPHDLIVE Рік тому +4

    All you gotta do is get an Octatrack and pair it with your favorite synth/drum machine etc. Problem solved.

    • @Tapepusher
      @Tapepusher Рік тому

      or an SP404mk2 for a fraction of the price, right?

  • @tsuobachi
    @tsuobachi Рік тому +2

    Somewhere between this, the digitakt, and the model samples is what I want.

  • @acidbat4441
    @acidbat4441 Рік тому +1

    i miss the roland mc505 megamix feature where u can mix dif parts from diff tracks

  • @PendelSteven
    @PendelSteven Рік тому +1

    3:50 It is capable of functioning as a USB audio and MIDI interface, and is capable of transmitting 12 channels of audio to a host computer.

  • @danbunge9787
    @danbunge9787 9 днів тому

    Lol, the sh is short for shitty sounding 80s synth sounds.

  • @City2x
    @City2x Рік тому +3

    I've been wondering about this synth. Would love to see you do some demos of it.

  • @sjpachica3
    @sjpachica3 5 місяців тому

    You need to check out the duscontinued Roland MX-1 Perfornance Mixer. Switching up the feel, SCATTER effects, TR STEP sidechaining.. so much fun.

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  5 місяців тому +1

      that one never caught my attention when i got into synths, but now its looking good hmmmm thanks

    • @sjpachica3
      @sjpachica3 5 місяців тому

      @@JAdeWii_ seriously take a look at it. When you were talking about you wish you had live control to manipulate and change up the pattern in real time etc. Thats exactly what this mixer is for. Especially if you have Roland Aira stuff. Live faders, scatters, rolls, delays, filter controls.. makes things very DJ-y and electronic-y. I just wish it had a noise wash like other DJ effects and a dedicated reverb knob.

  • @danbutorovich246
    @danbutorovich246 Рік тому +1

    So use the elektron as a midi input to the new synth and the you can leverage the elektron sequence into the Roland. Or just use a computer to midi and use that.

  • @KrDr-gq1sf
    @KrDr-gq1sf 6 місяців тому

    I know I am late to the game, but I just picked mine up today!

  • @Conforce
    @Conforce 8 місяців тому

    hiii Billy “Roland” Mays speaking!

  • @thelastdj
    @thelastdj 3 місяці тому

    Limited by the number of tracks how do you layer tracks

  • @jameshall1075
    @jameshall1075 10 місяців тому

    Just copy the sequence to the next one and edit your new drums that way.

  • @CrusaderGeneral
    @CrusaderGeneral 9 місяців тому

    just when I told myself to stop buying more gear...

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  9 місяців тому

      Rookie mistake, never buy anything the month before NAMM 🤣

  • @technodrone313
    @technodrone313 Рік тому +2

    i love mine. the drums are great. the synths are even greater. the fx are ok too.

  • @ET2carbon
    @ET2carbon 5 місяців тому

    I can't believe the term DAWLESS is a thing

  • @robertsyrett1992
    @robertsyrett1992 Рік тому +1

    Roland should have just licenced the elektron sequencer.

  • @Andronicus2007
    @Andronicus2007 Рік тому +3

    I don't really agree with this, I have a Digitakt, Digitone and Syntakt. I'm particularly in love with the Digitakt.
    For me, the ability to easily adjust microtiming, ability to play samples chromatically on the "keyboard", the conditional trigs on each step, the sound of the effects, the feel of the quality hardware, the screen size, which is perfect, not too big or small. It just feels SPECIAL!

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  Рік тому

      Never said it wasn’t 😁

  • @Neoris_Band
    @Neoris_Band Рік тому

    By the sound... It's flat compared to A4 sound. And maybe it's awesome if compare to other digital synths. For such a limited sequencer functionality IMHO it's expensive! Because for almost the same money I can buy a really good laptop (will need an external soundcard maybe) and start making much more sofisticated music with all that "drr, thrrr" sounds that you kinda explain mouthly ) I can even take only free VST synths which will be sounding better than this groovebox!
    For me any groovebox is a "sketch machine". But I've choose A4 MK2 because of it's analog sound and extended groovebox/sequencer functionality. Now I'll pair it with Microfreak (which now can use samples!) and I get a pretty lightweight portable studio to jam something far away from my home. Also I have H2n recorder so it will be possible to "memorize" anything good that can be made with these two synths. On the other side: I don't think that it's a full replacement of a home studio where I have a digital mixer which can record everything separately so it can be processed after that.
    Of course if some company will make a full blown groovebox like this but with (at least) four analog voices not worse than A4 then I'll really think about to switch to it. Elektron makes us think about a "divorce" often! )))

  • @Cactusman1960
    @Cactusman1960 11 місяців тому

    Alas,there isno song mode or pattern chain mode

  • @lX-NDR
    @lX-NDR Рік тому +1

    This synth is very powerfull. If people complain about noise with the connection they just have to invest in a powerd usb device and viola. Experience...

    • @simonyricools
      @simonyricools Рік тому +2

      But violas can be expensive.

    • @lX-NDR
      @lX-NDR Рік тому

      @@simonyricools 🤣😜

  • @steveironside390
    @steveironside390 7 місяців тому

    Get a used mk 1 A4 for the same price..

  • @bigkingsha
    @bigkingsha Рік тому +3

    I've tried them all over the last 10 years and The MC-707 is currently the best groovebox in the world - hands down imo.

  • @Jux925
    @Jux925 Рік тому +1

    Main things I miss are pattern chaining and song mode

  • @justletmesigninokthx
    @justletmesigninokthx Рік тому +1

    they new s1 sounds dope too, so this is prob just 4x +

  • @SHRsweet-home-records
    @SHRsweet-home-records Рік тому

    Digital vs Analog? and I don't like Roland digital (Zen) engine sound. So for me Elektron is a winner

  • @kekethetoad
    @kekethetoad Рік тому

    Cringe. Zencore/ABM is 🗑️.

  • @brianlespoir6287
    @brianlespoir6287 Рік тому

    The SH-4D is a digital groove box, if it would be analogue, it would cost 5000,-- dollar, because you do need a lot of voice chips en filter chips. Say all analogue 4 synths have 5 voices, you would need 20 chips. A prophet 6 desktop has 6 voices and so it has 6 voice chips ans it costs somewhere around 2500,--. If they made it digital, I would be much cheaper, so maybe they should do a Digital 4, but the problem is, digital doesn't sell as good as analogue. Luckily Roland released all these digital synths and groove boxes, so this space in the market is occupied as well. Still it would be cool if Elektron did a analogue Poly synth the Elektron way.

  • @andretorquato4163
    @andretorquato4163 Рік тому

    O heard that it has another issue about the need of saving to avoid loosing parameters and edits. My English is a lil limited. Maybe someonelse could explain better. Ricky Tinez has made a nice video talking about pros & cons. And , yes, drum sounds are not “fantastic”, but nice. Kink (artist) made a nice video . That video just made me want this sh 4d

  • @DrJ3RK8
    @DrJ3RK8 Рік тому

    Have to disagree on this one. Different tools for different people of course, and one should use what speaks to them. However, in my case, I don't actually like the Zen Core synth recreations very much. I do like the ACB ones in some of their other synths. TR-8S for example. Those sound quite good. So what you get here is a bunch of Zen stuff packed into a box, with sequencing that is still behind Elektron. If the process works for you, then by all means use it to good effect! It's definitely not an Elektron though, in sound or process.

  • @chrisb6296
    @chrisb6296 Місяць тому

    Knobs look too close together

  • @JasonCuriRockstar
    @JasonCuriRockstar Рік тому +1

    Where did you get the colored Knobs!

  • @harshrealm
    @harshrealm Рік тому

    I just can't deal with the tiny screen for editing parameters, at least having owned the TR-8S for a while. Cognitive overload.

  • @tobythirling
    @tobythirling 10 місяців тому

    Nice review, can't wait to have a play with the Sh4d, seems like roland have nailed it here, barely anyone is bringing out multitimbral synth atm. Just a tiny shame it isn't zencore. Interesting outlook on kit though- with you being an elektron fan I don't get why you said if a piece of kit isn't working, just lose it... I find I get a new bit of kit, play with it intensely at the start, hate it, then come back to it a month plus later and know what to do with it.. it's all a personal journey though!

  • @n.l.541
    @n.l.541 8 місяців тому

    Elektron is for real men)

  • @AveryDewing
    @AveryDewing 6 місяців тому

    No song mode though right?

  • @beekay3085
    @beekay3085 Рік тому +7

    This video is comical to me... So many bad "comparisons" and saying the engine in it is that good. Its not IMO.

  • @adamkrasneski3679
    @adamkrasneski3679 Рік тому

    According to the roland rep on andertons channel, it has like 15 tracks of audio over usb. I think marketing it as a groovebox kinda turned me off to it. If i looked at it as a grovebox, id want AT LEAST 6 analog outs, performance features, and more steps. But when i think of it as a synth w a built in sequencer, its much more intriguing. Then its a one track powerhouse w a single stereo output, or a hard panned, layered, 2 synth setup w some really nuce effects included. Thats a great value. I still wish it had more analogue outs to connect to my portable multitrack, but i guess thats a me problem since it does have multitrack w usb. May have to upgrade my recorder to one w a usb audio in.

  • @martinb3483
    @martinb3483 6 місяців тому

    🤔does it have a scale mode?

  • @avace917
    @avace917 9 місяців тому

    I'd be sequencing this with an MPC. Problem solved for what I do

  • @Curious_Skeptic
    @Curious_Skeptic 8 місяців тому

    Similar thoughts. I would like Elektron, but at 1800.00 for a drum machine? It's overpriced vs. just about , well, everything! God bless them and those who can dump 2k into a drum machine. I rather more options via not committing that much money into one kit. 2k can go a lot further via a nice keyboard, and maybe one or two SH-4D type synths. Heck, at this money, one nice midi controller and several other desktop synths would go way further in creativity! Have to say, Hydra Explorer is 100% the best synth on the market for the money right now. I can't even find a close 2nd. No sequencer, no drum machine, but sound creation and creative options, endless. Add a Keystep or something, and you are still under 1k for insanely creative sound options. OMG, I can make an endless list of what is better to do with your money than Elektron. LOL.

    • @G.GordonMidi
      @G.GordonMidi 4 місяці тому +1

      If you’re buying used, Elektron stuff is way cheaper than that. Especially if you’re down for the mki models. You can get an Analog Rytm mki for 700-800 bucks, Analog Four for even less & Octatrack in the same ballpark. Any of those would mop the floor with the SH4D soundwise IMO. Personally I find Elektron stuff to be way more creatively inspiring that my Hydrasynth. Obviously that’s subjective though

    • @Curious_Skeptic
      @Curious_Skeptic 4 місяці тому +1

      @G.GordonMidi I get the point, but likewise a used sh4d would also be only 350 to 450 soon. Lol. It is all personal taste and clicking with a certain workflow and interface. For instance, if you like to have a lot of options on hand and get a lot for your GAS addiction, a EK is still a higher investment, even used.
      FYI, hydrasynth explorer goes 500 new. Even less used. It is an insane sound creation tool. If you take take to dig in even a little, it's truly inspiring and fun. I can't recommend it enough as the best budget synth on the market.

    • @G.GordonMidi
      @G.GordonMidi 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Curious_Skeptic I definitely like the Hydrasynth! It is an insane value for sure cause it’s certainly a jack of (nearly) all trades. Kinda hard to admit but I’m seriously content with just the synth sounds I can get from Ableton and VST’s nowadays. It’s SO close that it makes all the extra hardware more difficult to justify for me. I just personally really like the layout of the Elektron stuff and the sequencer because it always makes me come up with something I would never do in a DAW. Same reason I still have an MPC60 even though it is archaic tech at this point! Whatever inspires us to actually put our butts in our seats and create is worth the investment IMO

    • @Curious_Skeptic
      @Curious_Skeptic 4 місяці тому

      @@G.GordonMidi The most creative studio for me has always been having several synths at hand. I like to improv and like to lay down tracks all live. Having access to so many keyboards let's you do that. DAW/VST, you would sort of need a computer and midi controller for each sound engine. I did find out that a dedicated Ipad, audio interface, and dedicated midi controller works amazing for specific emulation of a synth. For example, I have a dedicated setup for wave station emulation. It's like having a giant touch screen version of any given synth plug-in. It's very affordable and flexible. ANyway...

    • @G.GordonMidi
      @G.GordonMidi 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Curious_Skeptic It’s definitely inspiring to turn the knobs on a real fancy analog synth! In a commercial studio having a bunch on hand is a must. I’m mainly talking about recording at home. I used to have quite a few hardware synths but I noticed when I’m getting ideas out, the immediacy of soft synths helps get ideas out quicker and stay in the flow state. Those ideas sometimes evaporate frighteningly quick. It’s whatever works for people individually I guess. Not sure why you’d need multiple sound engines when laying down tracks with a plugins though. Don’t people usually track one synth at a time anyway? Maybe I’m misunderstanding

  • @snorrevonflake
    @snorrevonflake Рік тому

    Other reviews said they want it to be more like Elektron. I don't know because this still has not been available in Europe.

  • @broederharry2534
    @broederharry2534 9 місяців тому

    It's a software box.

  • @KeirMurphy
    @KeirMurphy Рік тому

    Yeah it is audio over USB, and multitracks too! I do a lot of song recreation and I can have UA-cam coming through the device's headphones at then dial in the synth sounds I'm trying to recreate over the top. It's very cool! My main criticism is that the aliasing in the upper registers is HORRIBLE. Like... REALLY HORRIBLE. I've owned devices like the JP8000 which is notorious and older Novation digital synths and they sound "delightful" compared to this.

  • @fromsoftart3505
    @fromsoftart3505 6 місяців тому

    nice , i want this synt

  • @VINYLCRATE
    @VINYLCRATE 7 місяців тому

    Ha shots fired 😂

  • @oscillated139
    @oscillated139 Рік тому

    The problem it has with FX cutting out as you change patterns is really preventing me from seeing this as a valid option. I keep checking updates but roland is not making this a priority ( yet ).

  • @NGC0Music
    @NGC0Music Рік тому +1

    Interesting opinion on the SH-4D, this is the first modern Roland synth that I knew I hated from the very first second I saw and heard it. You're probably sinning before the synth gods by comparing this thing with Elektron boxes.

  • @CleanConnections
    @CleanConnections 10 місяців тому

    Been curious about this one since it dropped, think it’s because the first synth I fell for but couldn’t afford at the time was the Roland sh09, back when I thought anything analog with faders meant it was good!
    This seems pretty awesome for out and about jams and they’ve certainly packed a lot in there.
    If one pops up on eBay at the right price I’m in…
    Thanks for the reminder👍

  • @mu7095
    @mu7095 Рік тому

    Lol..Unpluging expensive gear because there is lightning..Guilty....Even though I have a surge protector...

    • @Andronicus2007
      @Andronicus2007 Рік тому +2

      That just means you're smart. A piece of my gear got struck by lightning, blew up the inbuilt AC adapter, and melted the plastic housing. It was fixable, but at great expense!

  • @rg484
    @rg484 8 місяців тому

    Great vid. Are you still using this? Thinking of pulling the trigger on the over the Syntakt. I have plenty of sequencers already.

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  8 місяців тому +1

      It sounds really good

  • @remyvegamedia
    @remyvegamedia Рік тому +2

    Elektron's track limitation is my "WTF" lacking feature for their stuff. MPC has a bunch of those "WTF, WHY?" situations. SP has plenty of those too, but I'd take an SP over an MPC most days. 99% of days. Haha.

    • @remyvegamedia
      @remyvegamedia Рік тому

      P.s. I'd love one of these Roland synths to pair with the SP on the go. It's dope for that it seems.

  • @trickfall8752
    @trickfall8752 Рік тому

    The SH-4D is great. P-locks would be nice, but it will record four lanes of automation. It's also very easy to copy patterns and make variations that way. My only real gripe with it is I wish you could explode the drum tracks when recording over USB-C into a DAW.

  • @graxxor
    @graxxor Рік тому

    is it true that it's not actually 60 voices simultaneously but 60 oscillators...

  • @ThinkerThunker
    @ThinkerThunker Рік тому

    Good review, thanks.

  • @Psyker1787
    @Psyker1787 8 місяців тому

    This is the only groovebox ive been interested in since 2014. 💀💀💀💀

  • @toamja03
    @toamja03 10 місяців тому

    I’m loving the hell out of my SH-4d and my Fantom 07

  • @JamesQuake
    @JamesQuake 7 місяців тому

    Love your passion and cool insight, SH4D has a lot of potential.

  • @BobNoble
    @BobNoble 11 місяців тому

    Would you consider using this as a single live performance tool? Or do you feel like you need to add anything?

  • @sentokan
    @sentokan Рік тому

    Correct me if I am wrong: the effects on the Sh-4d are just 3 send effects with the possibility of mfx to be used just on the master..

    • @themainman3900
      @themainman3900 Рік тому +2

      Each of the four parts as well as the drums has its own master effect and then the entire “project” has its own master effect. The reverb, delay and chorus are all sends for each of their four tracks and can be done on an individual basis for the drums so you can apply reverb to just the snare for example.

  • @JAAPIOJO
    @JAAPIOJO Рік тому +3

    I think this and the S-1 best gear 2023 for the money. Really great gear to get started. Also jupiter x great step up from there. It is menu divy but a great value for the money. Roland is probably still the best in the game. Just imagine they whould make a mv xl to go after mpc market share. They def have the skill to make it.

    • @themainman3900
      @themainman3900 Рік тому

      Agreed on the MV revival, the verselab didn’t quite cut it. I think all they would really have to do is make a “fantom desktop” by chopping the keys off and condensing the controls.

  • @ToneTemper
    @ToneTemper 11 місяців тому

    No

  • @edumerloph
    @edumerloph Рік тому +3

    What groovebox it is? You didn't name it, and its not safe to assume everybody knows.

    • @cresshead
      @cresshead Рік тому +1

      Roland SH-4D

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  Рік тому +2

      My bad! It's in the description now, it's the Roland SH-4d!

  • @andreyzorkin9324
    @andreyzorkin9324 Рік тому

    I am watching a second video on this channel and the second video you only talk but dont sound. Is this a talking channel?

    • @JAdeWii_
      @JAdeWii_  Рік тому

      Yes, you can find my beat/music making channel linked on my main UA-cam page :D

  • @NotYetDecided404
    @NotYetDecided404 Рік тому

    you look quite smart now. seems like now you are focused on your fitness 😄

  • @matstjean
    @matstjean Рік тому

    Is it well build .. Roland's plastic is anoying a bit...

  • @nomad1517
    @nomad1517 9 місяців тому

    Elektron engineer: (screams in IKEA).

  • @HOLLASOUNDS
    @HOLLASOUNDS Рік тому

    It's cool, I'm probably not going to get one.

  • @aki_gong6271
    @aki_gong6271 4 місяці тому +1

    Would be nicer listening to it a bit more wouldn't it? Too much talking :/

  • @mdjey2
    @mdjey2 Рік тому

    I wonder if my life would be so cheerful, if I wear rose glasses.