John Mayer Signature PRS SE Silver Sky | Luthier Teardown
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- Welcome to Crimson Guitars HQ ua-cam.com/users/CrimsonC... and another Luthier Teardown. This is a John Mayer Signature PRS SE Silver Sky, Stone Blue. Is this as good as people have said? Let's see what Ben thinks of the budget guitar.
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Chapters:
0:00 This is a guitar that Ben has been avoiding because of all the hype.
0:35 This is the relatively budget version
1:06 An overview
4:20 A look at the action
5:26 The intonation and funny knobs
6:30 Strings off and the nut
7:33 Ben's pet peeve - DON'T knot your strings
8:35 The truss rod
9:58 The neck relief & frets
11:39 Removing the neck and taking a look inside
12:20 Problems with the neck pocket
13:45 Removing the scratch plate to see the electronics
15:05 The pickups & shielding paint
17:01 Putting it back together
18:04 Sofia's neck work
19:32 The most satisfying part - removing the plastic film.
20:12 Re-attaching the neck and new strings
21:21 Demo with Josh
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Great video. I was hoping it wouldn’t disappoint. My SE24 from way back is brilliant, good to see they’ve only got better. ❤
I don't fancy every model you make TBH but you know your tools and craftmanship.. And that is what makes me stick around haha... Great work!!!
Love this series, I like that other people get in on the fun .
It was a joy to watch and listen to you sir. You’re very good at what you do, a true master. Just subscribed to your channel. Peace.
I've got one of these on the way, I love the headstock, the shape of the upper fret access cut, it's a beautiful guitar.
So nice to hear an actual luthier go through this guitar after watching about 10 of these!
Lovely review. I love the thorough honesty.
I've seen guitars costing five times as much with worse neck pockets than that one. The thing that I notice now is that due to CNCs the internal machining tends to be much better than even a lot of vintage guitars valued in the thousands. Sixties Strats for example often have diabolical machining internally with no attempt to sand edges before paint or lacquer, but its rare for reviewers to mention this purely because they are considered the holy grail of guitars. Even cheap guitars these days are incredible compared to what we had to put up with back in the fifties and sixties so we should be thankful.
But they didn't have CNC machines in the 60's. You would think they would invest in a Plek machine! The guitars made in the 60's didn't have high frets like all of the guitars on the market now (except Gibson).
My goal in life is to create a foundation where EVERY guitar gets a fret level, crown and polishing, a correctly cut nut and a proper set-up…”no guitar left behind”….think I can do it!!!!!!!!
I imagine a PRS quality rep is now on a flight to the Indonesia Cort plant to discuss this video...Nice work Mr.Crowe.
I love this video so much! I like how you deliver in such a nice and friendly way especially to the newbie (I am 😁) keep up!!
According to Dylan Talks Tone, the ‘slugs’ on the pickups are also magnetised Alnico. He’s compared the US pickups with these, and they have quite similar construction, although these are higher resistance - around 7k whereas the US ones are around 5k.
However, they sound similar, and if quite low output. He’s puzzled, but really rates both guitars with a couple of minor personal misgivings about this Indonesian model.
His reviews were done back when this guitar was ‘released’. Very interesting.
I’d like to add an SE Silver Sky to my USA Strat one day just because I love S-style guitars and the SE SS seems like a great buy. My only complaint are the current colour offerings … none of them really speak to me. Hope they release a polar white or daphne blue-like colour.
I love the little guitar bucket for screws.
I love these "tear down" video's. I'm beginning to realise that virtually all new guitars are shipped with some flaw or another, which kind of fits with my experience. I've bought guitars for over 40 years and even the most expensive ones I own, which I have loved playing from the first minute, have tended to have a slight "niggle" here or there. It's usually in the "playing" i.e. something in the neck / frets / nut. I've never really been able to put my finger on exactly what the issue is (unless it's very significant), many of the times, but I can see from these video's, there is almost a fret issue from new. And as an example that I recently experienced and really shocked me, I recently took my 30 year old Strat to a luthier for some fret work.. I though there were a few minor worn frets. it was still very playable, but I wanted to see if it could be improved. The Luthier did a level, crown and polish and OMG!! The guitar is transformed!! It plays better than it ever has, and better than every other guitar I have. By a mile! I now need to save up for fretwork to be done on all my other guitars!
Unless it is a custom guitar, every guitar needs to be setup before use by the owner. which is why I learned to setup my own instruments a long time ago because no one else will know how you like the setup better than you as the player. As simple as filing the nut can make a huge difference or setting action and relief. or even as simple as sanding down the back of the neck with scotch brite :)
@@allstopblue5717 Its extremely easy and not that expensive all you need is a proper levelling beam, a crowning knife, a Sharpie, blue painters tape and fret eraser or polish pad set. I also use a Dremel cloth wheel and Frine for the final polish. The sandpaper and levelling beam will be enough to do all the guitars in a 5 mile radius twice. Fret Guru is what I use for all the above. It aint rocket science but you will run into other things that will force you to buy other tools like nut knives, rubber mallet, maple and rosewood blocks for repairs...its a rabbit hole.
What in the hell is a niggle?
British term for a small fault or inconvenience that you just put up with, rather than solve. Imagine a minor itch between your toes when you are wearing thick socks and walking boots on a muddy track. That is a niggle.
it probably from shipping because EVERY other video and person I have seen including myself think they are spot on.
I think it's a real good idea to closely check out some of the mid-range priced guitars just under $1000. a lot of people are talking about the new Epiphones so I would like to see your take on those as well. I own an '05 Epi LP Classic which has been great..I'll probably order a Custom from them eventually just to see what people are talking about, it's cheap enough to gamble on.
The extra poles on the bottom of the pickups is a DiMarzio patent. Their "virtual vintage" tech that's found in many of their pickups.
PT Cort generally makes a good guitar. I had one of these to repair from a friend. He just wanted a setup. I found two high frets. But let me tell you, the fretwork was IMMACULATE on the sides of the board! I fixed the two frets, added new strings and checked the neck angle...everything was perfect!
But not every one that leaves the factory will be perfect.
Great video ! Thanks !
As I went to my favorite shop, I noticed the same gap on the neck pocket on the 3 different guitars available (different colors). Did they come from the same batch with the same CNC wrong parameters ? Or the same wood weakness ?
I don’t like loose neck pockets. Please tell me if it really matters.
I enjoyed this. The SE SIlver
Sky is a guitar I am thinking about buying. Interestingly I have an SE 245 custom and being a tech did has you did and checked the frets etc. I only found one that needed adjusting. The rest were perfect. Mind you, all workshops depend on the person doing the job on the day, I guess. Anyway, the neck pocket would be an issue that I might return a guitar for maybe. A great video thank you. I owe a lot to your videos.
You should perhaps tear down a Fender Player plus Nashville Tele if you would like to see the world worst set up and finishing. Great concept but really shoddy in the important set up details. I'd happily lend you mine.
Thought you'd roll the fretboard edges... but its all good. Great teardown/buildup. Now I have to look at more...
Great video! The attention to detail is so pleasing, at the same time you leave the viewer judge the value for money (eg fingerprint on trussrod area below the cover…who cares, well maybe some do). I think it would be interesting to try and get in contact with some of the factory workers in Indonesia. I think we assume they just mass produce, but maybe some of them really care and try hard …and watch a channel like this one
I’m a bit confused as to why Sofia didn’t take the volume/tone knobs off to properly remove the pickguard plastic after painstakingly polishing the frets by hand… seems a bit ironic, especially since those knobs are installed horribly.
I have a PRS SE Custom 24, it cost £780 new and haven't had an issue with it. Even when I use the tremolo it doesn't really go out of tune.
Great video. I enjoy watching some of your videos. I was blessed my local music store have two in stock for more than a month due to how fast they sell. I compared it to a Fender Player series Plus, Fender Player series, and two other guitars with single coils and kept going back to the PRS Silver Sky SE. My second choice was a Yamaha Pacifica 112V I think but it needed some TLC and fret ends smoothed but the Fenders did not impress me but was a disappointment. The Fenders didn’t stand out with setup and sound. Each had there quirks and spots that needed addressed the Silver Sky SE edged them all out in sound, feel and setup. I ended up buying the Silver Sky SE and love it. The Yamaha felt better and sounded better to my ears vs Fender but was obviously not the cleanest set up but I still preferred it over the Fenders. Also $1200 (USA sells Fender Mexican made for too much) for a Fender made in Mexico and it not be wow was a turn off. I still thought about buying the Yamaha Pacific for $350 for alternate tuning and future mods.
Hey there, I'm planning on buying a Strat type guitar and I narrowed it more or less down to Fender Player/Player Plus and the PRS. I'd like to ask you, what's your experience with the Player Plus? Some people really dislike the noisless pickups (but from what I've seen I actually like the more warmer or fuller sound). I haven't had the chance to try any of the guitars thou, so I'll be grateful for any insights.
Great video, & surprisingly not much wrong with it. My favourite part? Peeling the plastic off! I'm a simple man.
Dylan Talks Tone has reviewed those pickups specifically. Those are just steel slugs between the pole pieces. They are to sweeten the tone a bit by changing the magnetic field just enough.
I’ve got the PRS Paul Allender SE with the bat inlays and I love it. Great vid
I took the PRS factory tour in Maryland a few years ago. The top floor looks like the warehouse at the end of Indiana Jones. It’s mountains of SE guitars. As far as I know, they QC and set up EVERY guitar in the Maryland HQ before it leaves.
Right next to the famous Wood Library, there was a dude in a little booth absolutely shredding on SE guitars, checking action, intonation etc.
They check Americas SE's in Maryland. European at PRS Europe (UK). I think they mentioned Australia has its own SE QC facility. Makes sense - no point shipping everything from Cort to Maryland then back to Aus etc.
Wow! Thank you, I want you to set up my guitar! Unfortunately, I’m in Southern California.
@@tonflot4531 I’d bet you that was Eric, he’s a monster shredder
Yeah as others have said, no they don't QC and set up every SE guitar in Maryland, only those sold in the USA.
Really miss my old PRS swamp ash, the closest strat they did at the time, but this looks great!
Why didn't you use shielding paint to complete the circuit (as you mentioned could be done) in case the tape failed in the future ?
Wow!
Another Strat!
Love your videos. Can you boost your audio output for the final mix on your next upload?
Reverse Headstock design is awesome, and gives that guitar a new look. This guitar feels easy and uncomplicated like a good acoustic. Modern and without all that balast of a fender. Its nice, i like it. Ps. The plastic tuners are nice
Nice review, may I ask for the squier 40th and the sire s7 Larry Carlton as comparison
Did you fix the crooked knobs?
Epic work!
Yes to the jack plate. Absolute agree.
I know Paul sat up with a bowl of popcorn for this one. Good job!
Cant tell, are those mini metric alphas or full sized? I am suprised by the electronics. Far better than Fenders Squire line, though they suffer the same knob issue due to the cheap alpha pots as well.
That powder is not sawdust; it's residue from the polishing process. Shielding the cavity without applying a shield to the back of the pickguard is incomplete shielding. Those strips of copper tape do nothing, really. This--from a huge PRS fanboy. I work at the factory in Stevensville, MD.
Dang, that speedy looks so good.
@crimsonguitars I really enjoyed the video. I don’t get the plastic tuners, they look cheap and tacky to me and if they break as you said you need to change the tuner. Do you offer this service to everyone and how much would this setup, fret dress etc cost? Thanks for a great video
Email Rikki at office@crimsonguitars.com and he should be able to let you know prices. DC
Well done Sophia 👌
I have a beautiful American PRS hollowbody I 10 top that I picked up when I ran a guitar shop. Going to put it up for sale soon. You guys have any interest? I see lots of hollowbody II models out there but far fewer of this one. I live on a fairly small town to I know selling it locally is nearly impossible.
Holy moly 😳 did you shim that loose neck before you put it together
Sophia skills are impressive !!! I am sooo temped to get this guitar ! !
she is going to be a phenomenal luthier by the time I am done with her.. right now she is merely excellent!
KOL Demo just sold me on this guitar!!
A really cool note on this guitar is that PRS basically took the budget level electronics and spec’d them to be as close as they could get to the core model setup which are based on John’s 64 Strat. Now in the marketing John says the electronics “are the same” and that’s definitely not true but to be able to get some mayery pickups at this price point is a really great thing. That’s a lot of the battle in tone chasing Mr. Mayer. Great video!
Mayery? They're just Strat pickups.
@@heftosprod Then again - there is nothing “just” about a good strat pickup …
@@whynottalklikeapirat sure. But there's no magic in it. No secret mojo. It's a few thousand turns of enameled copper wire around some alnico rod magnets. That's it. If they're made properly.. as in the way fender does, they're as replicatable as a light bulb.
@@heftosprod Thank you for introducing the topic of magic, just in case a wizard or shaman shows up in the audience.
@@whynottalklikeapirat you're welcome. I for one as m certain such people ain't in the game.
Love my. Silver Sky SE. as much as my Fender American Professional I
What was the nut material and how was the fit with the tremolo arm?
I must be lucky. I have 8 different PRS SE models. Every one was perfectly set up right out of the box. Ive had to do very few upgrades and the Siver Sky i have is by far my favorite.
Why there is no shielding material in the whole surface of the plate?
The only guitar I have over £1000 is a Crimson and, of course, it's a beauty. I have to say, though, my other guitars range in price from £77 (Harley Benton strat kit) to a PRS custom 24 anniversary (£500) and others like a Chinese Epi LP (£350) and a Cort/Manson Matt Bellamy (£399) and they are all really well finished with no quality issues. The Manson MB1 is now selling for £299 in silver and it's such a good guitar. These days you can get some serious bang for your buck
on the setup, i seem to recall reading that when prs's come into the country, whatever depot they arrive at gives them a setup before they get to stores
I really like the guitar, but if the knobs came on the one I bought like that, PRS would hear about it definitely. Thanks for this video!
woah thats crazy, so i bought a se silver sky used from a fella, he said he got in used from a shop. When i pulled the string off, they were tied on exactly the same. the guitar looks like its been in a bag and never opened. maybe it had factory strings on it. plastic was still on it too.
Love the series.
is it possible to know where you are based please? love what you did with this and would like mine set up. thanks
That's a beautiful guitar and seems (mostly) well made for the price range.
Did Sofia deliberately remove the nut during the fret work or accidentally knock it off? It was on at the start and I noticed she banged into it with the leveling beam at one point. I'm not picking fault, but genuinely interested if there was a reason for re-seating it as Ben seemed to think it was perfect. I'm thinking of replacing the nut on my cheap guitar - a first attempt at 'real' luthiery, so it's an area I'm looking to learn more about.
Also, why have you put up the price of tickets to 6 Euro from 3? I could justify 3 Euro (read: "my significant other allowed me to justify 3 Euro", hehe) as it's "just the price of a coffee", but 6 is the price of dinner here. I bought tickets for the first three guitars in the 'giveaway' (several for one of them) but I can't really justify it any more, unless it's something REALLY special. If they were still 3 Euro then I could simply choose to buy more if I wanted to spend more! Just my take on it - please don't flame me for being a cheapskate!
Nuts are usually held on with the minimum of glue to make them easy to remove. A small tap with a chisel and hammer should be enough to knock one out.
I just got my Se on Tuesday...and wow! It's an incredible instrument for what I paid for it.
19:55 did the factory apply putty to the neck pocket to tighten it up?
What is the brand and model of your watch?
Why wasn’t the cavity in my usa silver sky shielded but this se was?
Chrimson Guitars: Making PRS look better since 2022. 🤣
Question - - I've noticed on mine as well as yours that the front of the bridge plate (facing towards the pickguard/pickups) is raised up off of the body a bit. After I got my SE and did a setup with new strings, I instinctively screwed mine down so it sat flush with the body of the guitar. But now that I see they all come from the factory that way, I'm wondering if there is a specific reason they are raised that way. Any insight??
If you have it completely flat to the body, the trem won't function correctly
these are currently £599 in the UK, definitely worth the money, I have a SE 24 standard and the fit and finish is spot on, my volume tone knobs are straight as a die though. Might sell my Pacifica and get one of these just for the bang for buck.
It’s beautiful
To be fair the PRS SE line has always been known to be fantastic budget and working guitars. Wish I still had my Paul Allender SE.
I would love to see a teardown of an eastman guitar. They seem pretty interesting
I have two...T486 (best EVER!!!) and a very nice SB59Goldtop...lefty.... Love Eastman....going up in price now...
I truly wish people would start gluing the nut to the end of the fretboard only, especially when using CA glue. It’s incredible how much swearing is needed, when the headstock splits open, because someone glued the nut to the bottom of the slot …
Nice bit of Molly's Chambers at the end
Would love it if you could do a teardown on the ibanez eithe rg or s series. Mainly because I'm thinking of buying one.
I cant wait till the DGT se comes out
I was wondering what the price for your fine work with this guitar is? Best regards
Is the Great Guitar Giveaway just for UK or Worldwide?
Wow! Thank you, I want you to set up my guitar! Unfortunately, I’m in Southern California.
Under a thousand? The worst guitars I've ever received, from a fretting standpoint, were from the Fender Custom Shop and cost was >$3000. Money can't buy me love.
What kind of custom shop is $3000 fender? I thought custom shop at least $5000...
@@BoyAditya I've purchased (new) two Danny Gatton tele's and an Eric Johnson strat - all were ~3k, as I remember, but it's been a while.
People complain about Gibson and PRS being “overpriced.” They’ve clearly never played a fender CS (some of them anyway). Say what you want about the two former, you’re getting a FUNCTIONAL instrument when you go CS/Private stock.
@@joshoptical
I have a Fender JV modified and it's just scary how good for 1300. All I did was bring the pickups up a bit. Just amazing.
@@leonwolfe536 totally!
That protective film removal shoot though....😅😢😂
Nice Speedmaster!!!
Dose the three wonky knobs not matter or are they an easy fix
The Silver Sky core model doesn't have a cover on the back . I've read this is JM preference for faster string replacement while performing
The pickups almost remind me of Carvin pickups that have similar smaller poles in between the actual slugs. I think they used small screws though.
Are the knob angles on purpose or were they faulty?
I hope the giveaway website is not yet officially released right? There are huge security issues :/ I can login with any mail and without any registration process
A good luthier who also has excellent taste in watches - I believe he has my favourite Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch.
I have a couple PRS but never play my SE, it is however pretty well made but I did have to send it back in warranty due to a faulty switch (it's a Pauls Guitar SE so not an old one or cheaper SE). But I do have a Silver Sky from 2019. It's interesting you say you can feel where the dot inlays have been sanded, I can on my American made Silver Sky too... I can't on any other guitar I've owned or do own. Can anyone else comment, is this actually intentional? Also the truss rod cover is not the same, on your comment on the watch it's the same colour but smaller, recessed and metal on the full fat one.
I heard Paul say in an Interview that they “added extra bits of Metal in the SE pickups” so they didn’t sounds exactly like the U.S. made pickups. makes me wonder if u removed those extra metal slugs if it would sound like its more expensive big brother 🤔. i would luv to See somebody try this to hear what it sounds like.
I’m in Southern California, do you know any good luthiers here?
Theres no excuse for a $1000 guitar to not come out of the box at least close to setup, if not setup. I think weve gotten use to big companies not setting up there guitars well and its become the norm to have to have your guitar setup after you buy it, but that doesnt mean that it cant be done. I find PRS SE guitars that ive seen and picked up are setup very very well right out of the box. Good stuff. Hopefully in the future more brands will discover that setting up their guitars better will sell more. But if we people are just use to and expect this step wont happen then itll continue to be the norm. But there are companies that sell setup guitars for under $1000. Just gotta poke around ;-)
You'd think they'd buy a Plek machine!
How did u fix the knobs
I think the purpose of the reverse headstock is for John to be able to use his thumb while playing on the lower frets easier.
What are those pucks you use to support the guitar body when you’re working on them.
Triton Bench Cookies. DC
In my opinion and observations Fender Strats gain good amount of sustain as well unplugged volume if the neck is pressing good against the end of the pocket, the Silver Syk SE (as well as the american original) seems to only connect on the back of the neck (which gives the screws a lot of shear force from a mechanical standpoint).
But maybe that small lip one the SE is acutally is supporting all the force just like on a Fender Strat.
Im still wondering why they decided to CNC it that way - anyone ahs an explanaition on why they might have done that?
haha I agree about not knotting the strings, I've had some dramatic arguments with band members about that in the past.
If you blindfold me and hand me a guitar with knotted strings , then hand me one without, I can tell the difference
Ben, you didn't mention the resistor from lug 1 of the volume pot to earth and the effect that may have. Were there any other small resistors in the circuit?
The resistor lowers the value of the potentiometer. The US made SS has the same thing.
That's a tremble bleed most likely. Keeps it from losing as much high-end when rolling the vol down a bit.
the PRS silver sky SE's are all set up by PRS before shipping? that's what they say
on their videos?, and even showed the guys doing just that
what about the wonky knobs??
20:39 why did she snip first then wrap???
So in the UK and Euope, all PRS guitars, whether from the US or the far East, go through a QC and setup at the PRS warehouse in Cambridgeshire. So the shop probably didn't setup the guitar, but the guys are PRS did.
No the shop probably did when they knew they were selling it to a UA-camr who would review it. They should have leveled the frets, LOL!