Awesome channel! My 11 son (very active, blackbelt, soccer, etc) walked by and said “this looks boring). An hour later he’s still sitting next to me watching.
Love the extra sound effect when the case back came off. I now demand a "cartoon" cut with complete with all the sound effects and all tools being pulled out of an ACME box!
I always enjoy the simple pleasure of watching a watch be disassembled, cleaned and reassembled. But, along with that, I enjoy learning the names of parts and tools, often the history behind why something is how it is.
So hard to believe jeweler's can put that many parts into such a small compact space like the Lip wristwatch in this video. Truly amazing with the knowledge of what it takes to tool each small part, each screw! Just amazing! Thanks again Marshal for so many great videos!
Thank you so much Marshall. It's amazing to watch your fingers work with such tiny parts, even manipulating them between your thumb and forefinger while wearing rubber gloves!
You are possibly my favorite UA-cam personality. I have never even opened a watch (although I have a modest collection), but after watching dozens of your videos, I can name almost all the parts by sight (it's a little game for me). I'm sure you've heard this before, but to me your speech cadence and inflection seem reminiscent of Bob Ross...which is a happy thing.
The rubies with the 2-piece design that fit perfectly together, with a little font in the middle to hold/dispense the oil. It's such a beautiful thing to behold, for the sheer engineering/craftsmanship of it, and at such a tiny scale.
Used to have one lip watch, when I was a boy. The brand was very popular in France till the mid 70s. The did not survive the digital revolution. When I see that they are still around. Th ks for your videos.
You inspired me to give this a try. I was so glad I recorded the disassembly. There was a small washer that appeared out of nowhere and I was able to go back through the video to see where it came from. I took apart a 29 UT movement and it is cleaning as we speak. Hope I can get it back together lol.
I love 'watching' your videos just after my T, put my feet up & listen to your distinctive voice , & explaining what you're doing !. Love it Marshal. 😉👍
As a very amateur watchmaker I was happy to see the screwdriver sharpening segment, as I've managed to damage a few of by Bergeron screwdrivers recently.
Marshall, next time when you mention how agravating lining up 4 pivots on the main bridge is, please tell us how long it actually took you. That would give many of us a better perspectine. In your vids, it looks easy, but some of us know that you edit out a lot, while others may not.
Oh I needed me some spectacular Marshall working on watches video. I laughed at the no touchy sign inside the case. That was hilariously. So tiny of a movement but no match for you and your craft. Thanks for the video!!
After retiring I've been thinking I would start tying flies. I see Marshall's hobby and realize there's no way I'm steady enough to handle those micro sized parts without losing half of them and of course breaking the other half. So I'll start my hobby of fly tying I can't imagine what Marshall will do once he retires
Hi Marshall great video. Could you tell us a bit more about how you clean watch parts with an ultrasonic cleaner? I’ve seen you and others always talk about it but am never sure about the details. Do you use naphtha in a jar? Or do you just put the parts in the small baskets into the machine? Thanks!
Thanks Marshall, you got me into this hobby, I am actually working on getting all the kit I need to start restoring and servicing watches as a hobby. I would have bought it from your website, but shipping from US to Romania would be a doozy
Agree with @DuneFreak66 - Absolutely charming French warning: "Take me to your leader..." (old sci-fi rreference)! Marshall: I'm always taken in by your passion and inspiration for your hobby/business. Please keep it going! While I am reluctant to tear fully into my own manual watches, I'm glad to know you (and your compatriots) are still there, along with my local few true professionals left. It's inspirational. I kind of stick to the larger things, like basic work on my cars, and such, which I know you relate to. Props and thanks!!
Another fascinating episode, THANK You Marshall. That movement is tiny ! No matter how many times You talk about the tools that You use, yhis channel is NEVER boring, quite the opposite ! I would love to buy Your "starter" kit, sadly the South African Rand to Dollar exchange rate is horrendous ! Perhaps in the future. Thank You for teaching us and for Your clear enthusiasm for Your Craft. Regards from Cape Town.
I'm fascinated by your channel. Not being able to afford a new Omega, years ago I purchased a "Seamaster" for $550 from a Canadian (so called) horologist. I'm a sucker for a pretty face and love this watch with its gold-colored case and black dial. It was advertised as working, but it didn't run, and it looked like the crystal had been cemented on at some stage. When it came back to me a second time, all the hands had come off and were rattling around under the crystal. After a third failed repair attempt, I gave up on him. I tried several local jewelers, but they didn't want to touch it, and were never specific as to why. The watch has been sitting in a drawer for nearly 10 years and I'd like to get it running. No doubt you get tons of similar requests and this is slightly outside your more usual type of repair. But maybe there's an interesting story to tell, not the least of which is what happens when a clueless buyer gets sucked in. I would love to be able to wear the watch and I’m hoping that you will undertake to repair the watch and perhaps feature it on your channel.
Could you make a video on oiling/cleaning with ultrasonic the ST36 as well as what chemicals to use in what stage and what oils go where, what parts not to wash etc?
Hmmm, no time graph test at the end to see how it was running after the maintenance. But nice little watch, pretty band. Always fun and impressive watching you work on these smaller watches.
Always enjoy these videos, I have a pretty decent watch and wondered if I should get it serviced even though it’s quartz? It’s a Citizen Eco-drive (solar?) and I don’t want it breaking like my last watch (I thought the battery died but it was a broken movement)
Hi all. I have a watch that's been passed down from my father that's passed away. It's a sextant 21 jewel, gold plated and is smaller than normal, not a kids watch but not full size. The engraving on the back says from my grandparents Xmas 1965. I've done a basic search and can't find any information. I know sextant is mainly nautical things, but if anyone know where to find more or any information I'd really appreciate it. Love the channel for some reason, not a watch hobbyist but I find these videos so interesting
Hi Marshall, really enjoy your videos and appreciate the quality of the production. Can I ask you a quick question, is there a difference between the Weishi 1000 and Weishi 1900 time grapher besides a slightly bigger screen? I tried to compare the specs and can’t really see any so I’m guessing it’s worth saving a few bucks and buying the 1000. Cheers.
LIP made some great watches back in the day. Would be interesting to know if that movement was signed with a number. Great video as always....Greets from Germany
Love the videos! Have you ever done the math to figure out how much the mainspring winder has paid for itself vs buying a new mainspring for each restoration?
I don't know how well the story of Lip is covered in English, but this company has an absolutely fascinating social history. After a long conflict, the workers re-started the production themselves at some point and eventually the government decided to crush the company to avoid giving ideas to other workers.
Love this channel - I wonder would you be preapred to do a Vostok Amphibian watch of mine which has stop start issues. Its worked fine for ages but has suddenly gone trout 🤣 Cheers Marshall 🍻
Years ago I worked for the LIP company... The LIP brand is the contraction of the name of the company's creator, Emmanuel LIPMANN. It was based in Besançon, which is in the East of France near the Swiss border. The entire Jura region (French and Swiss) was agricultural and in winter there was little agricultural work, hence the idea of providing farmers with different parts of watch parts to be made. This is why we find elements of tools from the countryside such as elderberry to clean the pivots, modeling clay (rodico), wooden sticks. Unfortunately also animal fat for the cogs! LIP still exists in Besançon, under the name SMB-Horlogerie.
I was happy to see a LIP on Marshall’s bench and it is really cool to see a former employee’s post in the comments. Did you work for the original LIP company before the mid 1970s or later on for the new company(ies)? I would be interested to hear your perspective on LIP’s current state. I appreciate the original LIP company’s innovative designs, both inside (electronic movements) and outside (designs by Roger Tallon and other prominent designers). I am aware that the current LIP company no longer makes in-house movements but they still offer some beautiful watches. Unfortunately, they don’t have much of a presence in the US.
@Pulaski92 Unfortunately I worked for the LIP brand in the late 90s-2000s. You are absolutely right about the design. Roger Talon's Mach 2000 was a great success and I find it timeless. But there is also the designer the (real) "Prince François de Baschmakoff" who created digital reading watches in the 70s. Personally I worked with a designer Mrs. Prisca Riquet. She was inspired by the dashboards of 70s cars to create watch dials. The LIP Mythic of 2009 is inspired by this experience. Hope you understand my English pidgin🙂
@@TranquilouTeam the LIP Baschmakoff is amazing for how it stretched the form factor of a wrist watch. And I had forgotten about Briquet’s Mythic, but I appreciate how it shows that LIP is still launching innovative designs. Thanks to UA-cam, I have developed a bit of a watch addiction and have managed to add a few LIP watches to my collection, including a Fridge and a Mach 2000. I am always happy to see a LIP on UA-cam!
I just purchased a 1954 vintage Elgin pocket watch on Ebay. It suggested getting it serviced. Would you be willing to service this one on your show? I am 70 years old, and got this 70 year old watch to wear myself. I don't even know how to open it to adjust time. It does wind an run. Thank you.
Love the videos, Marshall. Would you consider moving the white/clear dome organizer/container that is in the foreground of your videos? It's blocking the view of all the parts you are removing. 6:30 is a good example of how it's blocking the view
With the watch not being water proof, that stretchy wristband becomes really convenient. Easy to take off when you wash your hands. Even if it's generally fine to keep it on for that, with how easy it is to take off, I probably would.
Marshall, I have been watching your videos for a while as I have a pocket watch that my grandfather gave me, however it has never worked. My father took it to a watchmaker 5 decades ago and was told it was not worth repairing. I understand one of the pins the ballance wheel rides on is missing. I think repairing it myself is not in the cards. Would you be interested in looking at it?
I can’t find watch hand removal tools without the pitchfork. I bought a set off amazon that had a picture with the straight edge but it arrived forked.
I have an old pocket watch that is in need of repair. Is this something that you could possibly repair for me? Perhaps do a video on to share with the community.
I took a look at your website, and your logo design is genius. You may not be aware, I’d say you are though. Both your initials in the design of a watch. How did you come up with that?
So I did buy a watch kit one day a few months back and am looking to find an actual watch with a movement in it. How does one find a REAL watch to work on? even if it's on ebay? Thank you!
I love the little French warning, "Don't touch me. Take me to your watchmaker." lol cute.
Half expected a "You were warned" engraving on the other side.
I want that on a t-shirt.
Awesome channel!
My 11 son (very active, blackbelt, soccer, etc) walked by and said “this looks boring). An hour later he’s still sitting next to me watching.
Playing the video half speed? 🙂
@@KeesAlderliesten got it at 1/4 speed if there’s still video left after an hour
Love it!
Is he going to ninja school?
That's how the watch addiction starts. So much for your savings 😂
Love the extra sound effect when the case back came off. I now demand a "cartoon" cut with complete with all the sound effects and all tools being pulled out of an ACME box!
I'm pretty sure French watches just make that noise :-)
I always enjoy the simple pleasure of watching a watch be disassembled, cleaned and reassembled. But, along with that, I enjoy learning the names of parts and tools, often the history behind why something is how it is.
Love the tool maintenance tips, would love to see more of this every now and then.
So hard to believe jeweler's can put that many parts into such a small compact space like the Lip wristwatch in this video. Truly amazing with the knowledge of what it takes to tool each small part, each screw! Just amazing! Thanks again Marshal for so many great videos!
Thank you so much Marshall. It's amazing to watch your fingers work with such tiny parts, even manipulating them between your thumb and forefinger while wearing rubber gloves!
You are possibly my favorite UA-cam personality. I have never even opened a watch (although I have a modest collection), but after watching dozens of your videos, I can name almost all the parts by sight (it's a little game for me). I'm sure you've heard this before, but to me your speech cadence and inflection seem reminiscent of Bob Ross...which is a happy thing.
The rubies with the 2-piece design that fit perfectly together, with a little font in the middle to hold/dispense the oil. It's such a beautiful thing to behold, for the sheer engineering/craftsmanship of it, and at such a tiny scale.
Used to have one lip watch, when I was a boy. The brand was very popular in France till the mid 70s. The did not survive the digital revolution. When I see that they are still around. Th ks for your videos.
You inspired me to give this a try. I was so glad I recorded the disassembly. There was a small washer that appeared out of nowhere and I was able to go back through the video to see where it came from. I took apart a 29 UT movement and it is cleaning as we speak. Hope I can get it back together lol.
Well no extra parts but it won't wind lol. Its locked up. Will take it apart and try again :)
I’ve been bingeing your videos and was surprised I hadn’t seen this thumbnail yet. Oh because it’s NEW. Very exciting.
Same story and through the same when I saw the thumbnail😊
A simple, but beautiful, little time piece.
Thank you for sharing this Marshall
I love 'watching' your videos just after my T, put my feet up & listen to your distinctive voice , & explaining what you're doing !. Love it Marshal. 😉👍
I find your Videos very Calming and Instructional... not that I'd ever try it though. Always look forward to one. Keep it up.
Great tool maintenance addition - thanks!
As a very amateur watchmaker I was happy to see the screwdriver sharpening segment, as I've managed to damage a few of by Bergeron screwdrivers recently.
I love the elegance and simplicity of that dial. Very good taste.
I just did a Fontaine 60 which looks alot like this movement. One of the smallest I've worked on. Good timing for releasing this :)
Your video footage and quality has really improved. Love all the macro shots.
Awesome as Always Me and My Son Really enjoyed this Thankyou
Marshall, next time when you mention how agravating lining up 4 pivots on the main bridge is, please tell us how long it actually took you. That would give many of us a better perspectine. In your vids, it looks easy, but some of us know that you edit out a lot, while others may not.
He says “a whole bunch of time”, so I’m guessing like 5 million years. That seems about right to me because that’s how long it would take me.
By far the best channel on youtube!
Oh I needed me some spectacular Marshall working on watches video. I laughed at the no touchy sign inside the case. That was hilariously. So tiny of a movement but no match for you and your craft. Thanks for the video!!
Its amacing what u do, i start this watch hooby last month and i really enjoy this videos and help me to understand more of this incredible hooby
Great restoratio on that 'little' french watch. Looks great, cleaned up nicely and should be a welcomed piece Nicely done Marshall..!!
After retiring I've been thinking I would start tying flies. I see Marshall's hobby and realize there's no way I'm steady enough to handle those micro sized parts without losing half of them and of course breaking the other half. So I'll start my hobby of fly tying I can't imagine what Marshall will do once he retires
Hi Marshall great video. Could you tell us a bit more about how you clean watch parts with an ultrasonic cleaner? I’ve seen you and others always talk about it but am never sure about the details. Do you use naphtha in a jar? Or do you just put the parts in the small baskets into the machine? Thanks!
Thanks Marshall, you got me into this hobby, I am actually working on getting all the kit I need to start restoring and servicing watches as a hobby. I would have bought it from your website, but shipping from US to Romania would be a doozy
Agree with @DuneFreak66 - Absolutely charming French warning: "Take me to your leader..." (old sci-fi rreference)!
Marshall: I'm always taken in by your passion and inspiration for your hobby/business. Please keep it going!
While I am reluctant to tear fully into my own manual watches, I'm glad to know you (and your compatriots) are still there, along with my local few true professionals left. It's inspirational.
I kind of stick to the larger things, like basic work on my cars, and such, which I know you relate to.
Props and thanks!!
I love the little details like how you "change your oil"! 😄
A new one! A new one! Ok, saving this for later so I have a full hour of uninterrupted viewing!
Thank you, Marshall.
Another fascinating episode, THANK You Marshall. That movement is tiny ! No matter how many times You talk about the tools that You use, yhis channel is NEVER boring, quite the opposite ! I would love to buy Your "starter" kit, sadly the South African Rand to Dollar exchange rate is horrendous ! Perhaps in the future. Thank You for teaching us and for Your clear enthusiasm for Your Craft. Regards from Cape Town.
I have levelled the feet of a small movement holder like yours on a plate like you use for your screwdriver. Beautiful video, thanks
I'm fascinated by your channel. Not being able to afford a new Omega, years ago I purchased a "Seamaster" for $550 from a Canadian (so called) horologist. I'm a sucker for a pretty face and love this watch with its gold-colored case and black dial. It was advertised as working, but it didn't run, and it looked like the crystal had been cemented on at some stage. When it came back to me a second time, all the hands had come off and were rattling around under the crystal. After a third failed repair attempt, I gave up on him. I tried several local jewelers, but they didn't want to touch it, and were never specific as to why. The watch has been sitting in a drawer for nearly 10 years and I'd like to get it running.
No doubt you get tons of similar requests and this is slightly outside your more usual type of repair. But maybe there's an interesting story to tell, not the least of which is what happens when a clueless buyer gets sucked in. I would love to be able to wear the watch and I’m hoping that you will undertake to repair the watch and perhaps feature it on your channel.
Great job brother! Always learning something watching your videos.
Watching from wales, UK
Lovely. Thanks for sharing.
Loving the stream of content, you are doing great! I was lucky enough to be able to work on and fire a Garand. They are so much fun
Such a great video, love this one!
Awesome video. Keep us updated
Now we know where Hewlett Packard took their new logo from :) Thanks as usual, Marshall!
That is a Really cool little movement.
This video didn't show in my feed luckily I check your page once a week so I won't miss any.
French numbers looks so similar to ours. Very nice!
are you serious😂
Why wouldn't they??
Thanks Marshall. 😊
Could you make a video on oiling/cleaning with ultrasonic the ST36 as well as what chemicals to use in what stage and what oils go where, what parts not to wash etc?
Thx for sharing
Hmmm, no time graph test at the end to see how it was running after the maintenance. But nice little watch, pretty band. Always fun and impressive watching you work on these smaller watches.
Add my voice (keystrokes?) to the chorus; another fascination and pleasure. Cheers, Marshall
Such a cute itty bitty movement ! Also the warning had me chuckling 😂
Me watching this at 10:30 P EDT having my favorite beverage, Mango Cart beer. Lovely way to enjoy these fantastic videos
Great great vid. Love the little warning message 😂
Marshall, firstly another great video. Secondly, if you massage the tube of Polywatch it mixes the abrasive component into the liquid
“Don’t touch me. Take me to your watchmaker” should absolutely be on a Wristwatch Revival t-shirt.
I just bought my first movement to work on, and its, a rather small movement, 23.33 mm and its so pretty. wish me luck :D
Maybe you can make a new series in which you test new relatively cheap watches and service them to perfection 😊
This was awesome ❤
A cool little vintage watch in a cool video!!
Always enjoy these videos, I have a pretty decent watch and wondered if I should get it serviced even though it’s quartz? It’s a Citizen Eco-drive (solar?) and I don’t want it breaking like my last watch (I thought the battery died but it was a broken movement)
Hi all. I have a watch that's been passed down from my father that's passed away. It's a sextant 21 jewel, gold plated and is smaller than normal, not a kids watch but not full size. The engraving on the back says from my grandparents Xmas 1965. I've done a basic search and can't find any information. I know sextant is mainly nautical things, but if anyone know where to find more or any information I'd really appreciate it. Love the channel for some reason, not a watch hobbyist but I find these videos so interesting
I honestly thought that that, was the Hewlett Packard logo on the dial!!!
Hi Marshall, really enjoy your videos and appreciate the quality of the production. Can I ask you a quick question, is there a difference between the Weishi 1000 and Weishi 1900 time grapher besides a slightly bigger screen? I tried to compare the specs and can’t really see any so I’m guessing it’s worth saving a few bucks and buying the 1000. Cheers.
If you put your movement holder on a pancake of rodico it can help hold it still while you work.
LIP made some great watches back in the day. Would be interesting to know if that movement was signed with a number. Great video as always....Greets from Germany
Is this the same company that made machine tools such as surface grinders and the like?
Welcome back marshal
Love the videos! Have you ever done the math to figure out how much the mainspring winder has paid for itself vs buying a new mainspring for each restoration?
I don't know how well the story of Lip is covered in English, but this company has an absolutely fascinating social history. After a long conflict, the workers re-started the production themselves at some point and eventually the government decided to crush the company to avoid giving ideas to other workers.
Jewels look huge in this movement.
Love this channel - I wonder would you be preapred to do a Vostok Amphibian watch of mine which has stop start issues. Its worked fine for ages but has suddenly gone trout 🤣
Cheers Marshall 🍻
Years ago I worked for the LIP company... The LIP brand is the contraction of the name of the company's creator, Emmanuel LIPMANN. It was based in Besançon, which is in the East of France near the Swiss border. The entire Jura region (French and Swiss) was agricultural and in winter there was little agricultural work, hence the idea of providing farmers with different parts of watch parts to be made. This is why we find elements of tools from the countryside such as elderberry to clean the pivots, modeling clay (rodico), wooden sticks. Unfortunately also animal fat for the cogs!
LIP still exists in Besançon, under the name SMB-Horlogerie.
I was happy to see a LIP on Marshall’s bench and it is really cool to see a former employee’s post in the comments. Did you work for the original LIP company before the mid 1970s or later on for the new company(ies)? I would be interested to hear your perspective on LIP’s current state.
I appreciate the original LIP company’s innovative designs, both inside (electronic movements) and outside (designs by Roger Tallon and other prominent designers). I am aware that the current LIP company no longer makes in-house movements but they still offer some beautiful watches. Unfortunately, they don’t have much of a presence in the US.
@Pulaski92 Unfortunately I worked for the LIP brand in the late 90s-2000s.
You are absolutely right about the design. Roger Talon's Mach 2000 was a great success and I find it timeless. But there is also the designer the (real) "Prince François de Baschmakoff" who created digital reading watches in the 70s.
Personally I worked with a designer Mrs. Prisca Riquet. She was inspired by the dashboards of 70s cars to create watch dials. The LIP Mythic of 2009 is inspired by this experience.
Hope you understand my English pidgin🙂
Prisca Briquet
@@TranquilouTeam the LIP Baschmakoff is amazing for how it stretched the form factor of a wrist watch. And I had forgotten about Briquet’s Mythic, but I appreciate how it shows that LIP is still launching innovative designs.
Thanks to UA-cam, I have developed a bit of a watch addiction and have managed to add a few LIP watches to my collection, including a Fridge and a Mach 2000. I am always happy to see a LIP on UA-cam!
I just purchased a 1954 vintage Elgin pocket watch on Ebay. It suggested getting it serviced. Would you be willing to service this one on your show? I am 70 years old, and got this 70 year old watch to wear myself. I don't even know how to open it to adjust time. It does wind an run. Thank you.
Assume job on the watch! Keep up the good work.
I like how you use one finger to stabilize the other (with the screwdriver) :-).
Love the videos, Marshall. Would you consider moving the white/clear dome organizer/container that is in the foreground of your videos? It's blocking the view of all the parts you are removing. 6:30 is a good example of how it's blocking the view
thanks again.
Do they make fractal clamps of this size for holding onto watch movements of unusual shape?
Looks like the HP logo, but I guess HP ripped off LIP
Maybe the other way around. Have you ever seen some of the original HP equipment???
Lip is a cool and historic brand. There are Breitling or Blancpain watches with the Lip logo.
Love this channel
With the watch not being water proof, that stretchy wristband becomes really convenient. Easy to take off when you wash your hands. Even if it's generally fine to keep it on for that, with how easy it is to take off, I probably would.
Why did you omit the braking grease for the main spring this time? Because it's not an automatic movement?
Did you use grease on mainspring?
Hand wound mainsprings don’t require breaking grease as they don’t need to slip when overwound like automatic mainsprings do.
Came here to also ask why no lube on the mainspring.
@IM-lf5qp not referring to automatic watch grease, but rather mainspring lube for a manual wind.
Marshall, I have been watching your videos for a while as I have a pocket watch that my grandfather gave me, however it has never worked. My father took it to a watchmaker 5 decades ago and was told it was not worth repairing. I understand one of the pins the ballance wheel rides on is missing. I think repairing it myself is not in the cards. Would you be interested in looking at it?
12:01 I thought i spilled my drink lmao
I can’t find watch hand removal tools without the pitchfork. I bought a set off amazon that had a picture with the straight edge but it arrived forked.
This is the exact same movement as an old timex my wife got from her grandmother.
What material is used to make the watch strap stretchy?
That text would be great for merch xD
I wonder if you would be interested in servicing my watch, I haven't been able to wear it because it stopped running. I miss the purple dial 😭
I have an old pocket watch that is in need of repair. Is this something that you could possibly repair for me? Perhaps do a video on to share with the community.
I took a look at your website, and your logo design is genius. You may not be aware, I’d say you are though. Both your initials in the design of a watch. How did you come up with that?
The French like to do things their own particular way, and so often the result is elegantly functional.
Hey Marshall, when you’re doing this do you use a loupe or a digital microscope to look through?
In another vid i saw him using a loupe
So I did buy a watch kit one day a few months back and am looking to find an actual watch with a movement in it. How does one find a REAL watch to work on? even if it's on ebay?
Thank you!
If you have "tension under parts" do you run the risk of having the tension fly away when you remove the parts?
😂 that might be the most French thing I've ever seen.❤
that holder that rocks around, could you mount it onto a board?
That band is beautiful. It's no wonder there was so much crud hiding in it.
I’ve haven’t seen a skeleton style watch on your channel at all, what are your thoughts on them? I love them personally