I had both, put 15k miles on each. Primary use is commuting to work and local dual sport rides but I have taken both on week long rides in Baja and the western U.S. I’m 6’ about 220 lbs and I would say both bikes got better after a respring and revalve. I had a local shop do both bikes with the same intended purpose. The Wr has the better suspension, the rougher the terain the better it handles. There isnt anyplace the suspension doesnt work. The DRZ, handles it up to a point then you are exceeding the capabilities of the suspension. On the road it works well. The DRZ has better options for a larger fuel capacity, up to 6.5 gallons, the WR has a 4.8 gallon option. The WR gets 10 MPG more so the fuel difference isnt so big. The WR felt cramped when I was loaded for camping, the DRZ has more room. In sand the WR rules, the DRZ is way more work. My shoulders are tired after a day of rough terrain on the DRZ. WR is a 6 speed and it cruises at So Cal freeway speeds while I would never try it on the DRZ. The WR had a programer and Pipe. For me, I stayed with the DRZ due to having more room and being field repairable which is huge in Baja or out in the desert. I can pull the carb if needed and there arent any sensors to go bad even though that almost never happens on yamahas. The DRZ desperately needs a 6th gear and a diet. The WR need another 200 CC unless you are happy shifting all day. The WR gave me confidence and made me a better dirt rider. They are both good bikes. If I was riding local trails and not hauling camping gear then it would be WR all the way.
Having owned both, the WR250R wins hands down for sheer fun factor. You can wring its neck all day and drive it 75-80mph all the way home. Ran it with moded suspension and 14/52 gears. Ate up single track and highway miles too. Looking forward to Yamahas next release on the platform. Hopefully a 300-350cc. My 300L Rally will keep me smiling until then.
+Bryce Piper You could say this for any manufacturer who has a 450. I would LOVE a KTM 450EXC with 25,000 mi valve checks and 3000 mi oil changes, but would it perform as well as my RFS, probably not.
+P Kurk I have a 450 exc that I ride more as a dual sport. I don't race but I do push it occasionally. The valves are easy to check but they haven't moved at in in over 5000 KM (roughly 3300 miles) and the oil is so easy to change I would do it on the side of the road if I wanted or needed too. I wouldn't be frightened to dual sport the exc. It does take a little more maintenance and costs a bit more money but I enjoy it more off road AND on road. My DR just didn't have enough power or a sixth gear and this bothered me anytime I was going more than 55 MPH.
Chain Driven I have a 450 exc as well and I love it. I guess my point was yes the maintenance is easy but it's still one more thing that's gotta get done that doesn't on some dual sports.
Love my WR250R, it's all about riding, and riding, and riding, with no worries. It's not a racing bike or a real dirt bike. In fact it's great on twisty mountain pavement. I've got an older 250 for the rough stuff when there's a chance of dropping it. The WR can do multi day touring anywhere except the rough stuff. It's super smooth and has good power at higher revs. If you need lots of power do not get a 250, but if you want a fun all around bike that needs very little maintenance, the WR250R is top of the class. For me, fun is making it home in one piece and never having to pickup my battered bike, yet enjoying curvy paved roads and some gnarly trails as well. So if you enjoy thrashing your bike on really rough stuff, get an old beater DR400. If you want all around riding, go anywhere but go safely, get a WR250R. Heck get one of each.
+eveRide ADV Hey Everide, I'm selling my VStrom to purchase a much lighter Dualsport. These two are the front runners. However I have very short Hobbit legs. Bikes like The CRF250L and the KLX250S feel really comfortable but these two feel uncomfortably tall. Would you recommend lowering one of these or taking the power hit and going for the Honda/Kawasaki? I do want that extra power though... Hmm
+Jimmy W my wife and I both ride WRs. I'm 5'9'' she is 5'4" we both lowered the bikes enough to be very comfortable riding the tricky stuff. FYI shaving down the stock seat's foam was the easiest and most cost effective way to lower the bikes height ✌️ cheers
I rode both bikes. I found the DRZ400 to be very cumbersome to drive in the woods. It feels heavy and unmanageable. The suspension is obsolete. The WR250r felt much more at home in the woods to me. It was easy to throw around. I could ride faster and it didn't tire me out. Much better suspension on the WR as well.
+Bryan Murphy I think you're absolutely right. Most of my riding is done out here in the desert where the power is put to good use... I think that if the trails were tighter out here I'd prefer the handling of the WR a lot more.
Beautiful shots, makes me miss colorado. I took my 100% bone stock wr250r up pikes peak last summer and did not feel any power loss. I never rode a drz400 but skipped it because I hate a carburetor, that's all we had a when I was a kid. The only other bike I considered was a KTM 690 enduro R but our only NE ohio KTM dealer is a mom and pops dealer where turn around time can be several weeks, just to get a new bike prepped was two weeks. I love my wr250r and just put 3k in mods, power commander + full FMF exhaust, 3 gal tank, LED, no toil air filter, removed AIS and servo, heated grips, hand-guards, new tires, heavy duty inner tubes and come other stuff.
cpittmx1 She got snippy with me when I asked to pay extra to get my bike faster. Also, pissed me of is they go on vacation in the winter and shut down their KTM shop.
Ive owned both, and nothing gets me more fired up than when people argue about which is better. My consensus (having owned one WR and 2 DRZ's now), is that the WR felt a little better offroad and the DRZ felt a little better on road. Now, I actually owned all supermotos, but i would do stupid gardensnake-esque stuff on them so both would get plenty of time offroad too. The WR is nice with its lower weight. 6spd, and EFI, but it simply doesnt feel as planted as the DRZ does on the road. Im WAYYYY more confident on the street on a DRZ than i am on the WR. WR just didnt feel like it gripped as well. Could have been tires too, but Im actually still a slightly bigger fan of the DRZ. If both were the same price, it would be a tossup for me, but the DRZ's coming in at about $1500 less, you can buy a lot of awesome parts with that money saved.
@@augustusappling139 its a good bike i hear and it has a 350? bore kit which is supposed to make it the best dual sport around just due to light weight, plenty of power, etc.
It's about time I found a well put together review, without all the extra, unnecessary, and meaningless (to the viewer) side-bar conversation. Well done and thanks!
I'm on a budget and I can only have 1 bike. The answer is the DRZ, hands down. Light enough to ride rough offroad and powerful enough for the highway, it's perfect.
@Jeff Crouch Got rid of the horrible DRZ as quick as I could & bought a KTM500, something you can hit wash outs in with out the bike trying to kill you & with 6 gears just cruises along at 100k hwy speeds without revving its tits off
I don't know about the "cheap used DRZ" thing. In my area, used ones are fairly rare, and they generally cost enough that I would prefer to buy new. Of course, it's pretty much the same for the WR. I've actually been looking at a new KLX250. It would be great to be able to do back to back real world demo rides on them rather than just a few miles on pavement. I guess that's not going to happen, and I already have a cruiser and a sportbike, so it might be some time before I pull the trigger on a dual sport. I'll be keeping my eyes open for deals, and am not ruling out a used DRZ.
I bought a new KLX250s with a little bit of modding I cut my dirt bike teeth with that in my 40s and kept at it until I got really power hungry and then upgraded to a KTM450EXC
This is got to be one one of the top 3 reviews/comparisons of the DRZ and the WR. Very honest and factual. Most UA-camrs try and sell rather than review. Thanks for the quality info.
Much too biased - clearly stated at beginning , but the many points in WR favour are glossed over or even questioned as not worth it. My first bike was the 400S, so I should be biased, but I then picked up the WR250R 3 years later (now on plated Honda 250X) The WR is MUCH MUCH better in dirt riding, esp tight single track - the 25Lb weigh difference is huge, even though downplayed here, and the suspension is absolutely superior, esp on obstacle ascending or descending. Both are similar on the road, with the DRZ faster out of the start, but the WR more fun flickable. if truly 50/50 and not too technical, pick up an old DRZ that hasn't been used much - they are steals. If you really want to have more fun on the trails, go WR250.
I had to pick between the two (400E or WR250R) and I chose the 400E for a few reasons. My riding style is very relaxed so comfort was a real big deal for me. The DRZ is very much a "lazy man" bike. The DRZ is more stable at highway speed, the bike's extra torque and more "forgiving" suspension makes easy work of trails or obstacles so less energy is spent on fighting the bike. The DRZ's weight is quite high up, so if you hit a rock at a weird angle it's less likely to upset your balance and any deviation is easy to correct for. When I ride with mates, their bikes are very "playful" (YZ120 and WR450F), they always look busy, carefully picking lines. With the 400E I take a seat, point it "in the general direction" and request power from the engine.
I think his end decision had a lot to do with the cost of bike, availability of parts and aftermarket. And obviously the power, a hopped up DRZ gets into the realm of mid 40hp. It can be difficult to even find a wr250r let alone at a good price. Youd have to be doing 70% dirt riding to really justify cost. the difference in price could be spent dialling in the DRZ suspension, you won't lose the weight but I'd guess a DRZ set up for your weight and riding habits is going to be better than the WR stock off the showroom floor or in whatever condition the previous owner had; even with the inherit benefits of the modern design Both great bikes, and im only watching because im having a hard time deciding which i like more. But simply due to availability and price ill probably wind up on the DRZ unless I sport a WRR at a killer price. The other thing is I already have a KDX which is far superior to both in off-road conditions and is a street registerable model but really no comfortable above about 50mph which is why i want a dualsport
He did specify his bias. He pretty much stated all your points in the video and mostly agreed, even. (the 25 lbs, suspension, flickable). He made a different point about a WR obstacle disadvantage, though. I have a different bias, a 28" inseam (also, while my desires say dirt bias, reality says 2 hour highway commute bias). I agree with Liam that the price difference (eh used vs the new ones, lol) makes a big difference in having the extra $ to address related mods. wr250r 36.6 $6699 295 lbs drz400 35.04 - 36.81 $6799 317.5-321.9 lbs crf450l 37.8 😒 $10.4k 289 lbs 👀 I didn't realize so light, but excf territory. crf250l 34.4 5.5k - $6.3k 317.5 - 346.1 lbs xt250 31.9 $5199 291 lbs tw200 31.1 $4599 278 lbs dr200 33.3 $4,649 249 lbs ktm 390 adv 855mm aka 33.6614 in $6199 lower ground clearance & 348 lbs 😒 At my height, dr200 range vs xt250 FI & HP vs just accept the offroad limitations of the 390.
I ride a wr and agree with most things you say here. the fuel injection is a closed loop system which means it has a maf sensor but no air/fuel or o2 sensor which is why the altitude affected it. if someone buys a wr with the intent of the typical mods (pipe, airbox, power commander) they will be very happy with the results. I have zero experience with a drz so I can't compare but both have reputations for reliability. the wr really does become twice the bike once it's uncorked. as always cool video man. thanks
Sooo good. Looking more pro every week. The only thing I take exception to is that drag race. I don't think that guy on the WR250R can use a clutch to save his life.
the weird part about dual sports is it can be a yz250 with a plate or a gs1200 with knobbies. peoples opinions are different cuz they are comparing them to different bikes. i think single cylinder dual sports rule hands down
I really enjoyed this video! I own a 1996 Suzuki DR350, which DOES have that 6th gear, and I love it! I've ridden the DRZ400, and enjoyed it. I will probably get one, eventually, but I will find it difficult to say goodbye to my wonderfully restored DR with it's cushy suspension and gear number 6. Great job!
I'll also note there is a wide ratio gear set (from ACT) you can buy for the DRZ. It leaves first alone, and widens the rest, supposedly makes it less buzzy on the road. I want to get one for my DRZ. That said, have you ever ridden a bike with a Lectron carb? It seems pretty neat, you tune it once and don't need to rejet based on altitude because it auto-meters the fuel. It's a carb that acts like EFI.
Great review. Very well done. I like that your comparison was "real world" riding. Not all drag races and spec sheets. Fun thing about these bikes, is that there is no perfect one. Just the perfect one or ones for you......today. I'm still looking forward to the day Suzuki makes a true upgrade/replacement for the DR-Z.
I'm looking at getting back into riding. I'll be 59 in a month, looking for a smaller dual sport after owning (and having to sell) an '05 KTM 950 ADV and an '07 KTM 200 XC-W. Moved from Illinois to Nevada. This video took my subconscious thoughts about both bikes and put them into words and onto video. It's a DRZ for me! Thank you for this video!
LanceKTM950 I’m 55 , hadn’t ridden dirt bikes since I was in my teens. Recently had an opportunity to ride a couple again and it rekindled my spirit! I’m looking at the DRZ400S, local commuter, dirt roads and two tracks , I think it’s a great choice !
Hi..I’m new to dual sport, and very new to the channel. Very enjoyable and relaxing I must say...a lot better then what’s on tv now a days. Just got me a Drz400sm and I love it!!! Learning to ride and getting to know her...give me congratulations on buying her. Keep safe, and tomorrow is not promised....let’s enjoy the day.
I did notice going from the Yamoto (200) to the dr350s.. the dr was still light enough to throw around but had that tractor factor that made it easier to get through the weird obstacles.. Great video though.. I believe a lot of what was talked about can be summed up to a lot of bikes based on size and fuel delivery.
Great video. I believe the guys at Suzuki could come out with a win if they put a 6th gear in and maybe bump the displacement up to 450, but keep it mellow so were not servicing it all the time. If they really wanted to put the icing on the cake they could offer it in fuel injection and better suspension.
If Yamaha made a WR400R it souls cost $8000-$9000. Putting it almost is KTM range. Which would be suicidal to there sales. And only then could it match the DRZ's power. Still far less that a KTM's. The biggest plus for the DRZ is it can be greatly improved both in power and suspension without breaking the bank. You can pick up a older DRZ for + or - $2000. Then if need be, pumper carb, full exhaust, and suspension for around $1000. I'm not talking Ohlins Suspension, but new fork springs and rear spring greatly improve the DRZ for offroad. So for around $3000 you can have a extremely offroad worthy dualsport that weighs around 320lbs and pumps out near 40hp at the rear wheel. That's a WINNER in my book!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the vidio's. Keep them coming.
Great job on the comparison. But in the end all that matters is as long as it will get you out on the trails. It doesn't have to be fast or handle great to have a good time.
Loved it! I love this time of year! Everyone is comparing bikes to find the undisputed champion of the dualsport world! Waiting to see more of you, CDS, and Hermit in action. Seriously could be a weekly show. Great video brother!
Still a master piece! And relevant! Good Job EverRide! Ran into a fellow at the bike shop wondering which one to buy, I pointed him to this video... as it is very well done. I have owned several bikes, still love the DRZ400s. Grrr, Grr up we go. I told him unless your are doing mostly off road, if you buy the WR you'll always be look at the DRZ. If you buy the DRZ you won't be looking at the WR! I look up, 690 ect. One day they will build a light "twin!, 6 speed, 650 DRZ!" Till then DRZ400s it is.
it's comical to hear the carb fans saying 'you can fix the carb' if it fail on the trail. Yah right, like all riders are above average bike mechanics and carrying all the tools. For the WR250R, I can carry an extra fuel pump solenoid (~ 2 oz) which cost $20 and repair a failed fuel pump with simple tools much faster than a pro can repair a failed carb, especially under harsh and dirty environment.
while liking your comment, I disagree. I believe the point was that while riding in less westernized parts of the world you could fix the carb with help of alocal mechanic (read: gaskets) while Amazon might not deliver the efi supplies for weeks if at all.
Hey....Jack! Never had a carb fail me on the trail. They work great as long as they dont sit around for a year while the fuel gels up. Ask me how I know.
The issue will be dirt in carb or dirt in injector or pump , shouldnt be an issue at all with proper fuel filter tho. As for mechanics, the fuel pump, electrical system and injector itself can fail. If you ride way out on your own a carb wins that argument for me.
@@rocketj7449 regardless, FI never failed me either. If one is paranoid, one can bring along a spare solenoid, it's not expensive nor heavy. The drz400 is very dated, it need improvement in every dept, not just on FI. There is a reason why used drz400 is cheaper than a used wr250r
such a well thought out video. I hope to see you have 100k followers by years end. everide and hermit should make an dual sport event. people would gladly pay for a planned ride, and with your creativity I'm willing to bet it would bring in alot of riders and be a blast
Tyler your your shot creativity and editing continue to increase in professionalism. I am impressed more by every video you put together. The aerial footage provides a dimension that elevates your skill set right to the top of the pack. Oh and the content us usually pretty good too... Keep it up brother!
As the owner of both a 2014 WR250R and a 1999 WR400F dual sport, I can safely say that Yamaha will have a huge hit if they sold a WR450R. Just use the same, slightly updated chassis as the WR250R, and drop a purpose-built 400-450 in it with slightly less power than the 450f, but the amazing service intervals of the 250R. I know it can be done, because my WR400f and WR250R receive nearly the same service intervals, and the engine on my 17 year old 400 has never been opened up except to check valves, which have never moved. That bike has to have at least 15,000 miles on it, wish I had an odometer to check though. It still runs like new. If they can make a WR450R with the same or slightly more power than my nearly 2 decade old 400, I would jump right in and buy one. You don't need ANY more power for such a bike. As it is my WR400 has a lot more power than the DRZ.
@@kazadventures the crf450l is a race motor with race maintenance and all the power is in the high revs. it's not terrible, just not really what people want from a dual sport machine.
Ok I've never ridden either of these bikes but have drooled on both. I have the inbetweener a Suzuki DR350SE. While it's not the best bike on either surface it's been the BEST BIKE I"VE EVER OWNED! My DR350 loves whatever I throw at it. It doesn't like 85 mph all day long but neither do I. We pick the nastiest back roads we can find and try to get lost and me and Suzi just love it. I would give my left nut for an Africa Twin but I think honestly small displacement bikes really are more fun! Wring her for all she's worth!!! It's all about the BRRAAAPP!!!
I was sent over to your channel by CDS. He said you put a lot of work into your videos and it really does show! Excellent video! I personally own a DRZ and I gotta say, for me, I think I made the right choice!
Great comparison, well thought out points about both bikes. Light dual sport bikes are so useful and fun to ride. I would include the CRF250L and the mighty DR in your shopping list as well, or even a KLR as long as you recognize the limitations (more rider than anything). I think realistically you can leave out any bike with a 100 hour piston and valve replacement interval (KTM/Husqvarna), at least if you ride the longer rides I have done here in Idaho. Good Job EVERIDE!
Thank you so much. I have been racking my brain for a dual sport bike. I tried a DR 200s, a CRF 250L, and I wondered about a DR 400Z. I am getting back into bikes and the 200 and 250 felt small in power. As a heavier guy I had several questions in my mind on which way to go. And you showed me I am better off with a used good bike than a new OK bike.
Hi Tyler. Great comparison. I have a 2015 R1200GSA and love it. Goes great on the road and is awesome on gravel roads but.......way too heavy and expensive when you drop it - and you will. As a result I have been looking for a small displacement bike that I can ride from my garage to the trails/dirt roads and have settled on the WR250R. Your comparison was great as were others I've watched (there are some great vids from MAD TV and adventure OZ - which is something coming from me as I'm a kiwi and we have a somewhat competitive nature when it comes to our Australian cousins). I've had a DR650 and didn't want a bike as large although I found it a great bike too. When it came down to it I really wanted a 250 and the WR was the best I could find. Almost went with the DRZ but the more modern package was what I was looking for. I have a bike with 125 hp so 28 hp from the WR will be fine. With an air box mod and GYTR muffler it should have a little more power as well. Some would say just buy the DRZ if you're trying for more power than 28 hp but another factor was build quality which seemed better on the WR. Putting on long range fuel tank as well which in NZ is necessary for the longer back road trips. Just my thoughts. As you say they are both great bikes and in the long run you have to pick one. Keep up the good work.
The point you brought up about being able easily lift an ADV bike when off road is a key point, which many newer riders don't consider. I am a fairly experienced dirt rider (XR250R) who is female, 5'8" and 160 pounds. I am in the market for used ADV bike and although I think the KLR650 is a great bike I know I don't want to be wrestling with a nearly 500 pounds of bike, especially when tired or hurting.
after market dirt tires for wr250r are taller thus making 6th gear useless. I went down a tooth on front sprocket with the after market dirt tires and can easily cruise at 80 on highway in 6th. I adjusted rear to soft and works good.love your video.
1. The sixth gear IS just for street fuel economy. 2. Gasp! The 250 lost a drag race to a bunch of 400’s? I’m shocked. Otherwise, I’ve enjoyed the video so far.
Fantastic cinematography and visuals as usual eveRide, lovely to watch - can I put a vote in for the Honda CRF250L? Strikes me it's a similar sort of machine (although I know very little about dirt bikes) but I do love my CRF, it takes me anywhere, always starts, is frugal, lightweight, cheap to buy, road legal, reliable and fun......what more does a chap need??? Great video as ever - keep up the good work my friend!
+TheMissendenFlyer CRF250L is good on fuel and cheap to buy, that's about it. If you think the WR is underpowered then the CRF250L is a slug. It's heavier than a DR650 also.
+tosgem ...well it's great as a first bike for an off road "novice" (me) - add an FMF pipe and she really doesn't feel underpowered, I love mine ....just putting a vote in for another dual-sport manufacturer to balance things up a bit :0)
Now that was an awesome video! I couldn't agree more with your final thoughts as well. Having to wrap out the WR gets a bit old pretty fast. I like the fact that I'm now 3 years in with my DRZ and I still don't have the skills to ride it as fast as it will go. You just can't find a better bike to learn to ride on then the DRZ, as long as you fit on it.
+ColoradoDualSport I think the IT guy should do an FI conversion on his DRZ400. A 36 or 38mm throttle body (complete with injector $50-60 on ebay) from a Honda CBR250 would flow enough air and could be adapted to mount to the DRZ. Just need to up the fuel pump, add an O2 sensor and program a dedicated controller (this is where the IT part comes into play).
yeah I would bet because it's lighter and more nimble and easier to keep the balance in the really technical stuff plus being softer on the power helps keep good traction in the loose stuff
Good video, great editing, music choice was solid. Fitted the content on screen, and wasn't distracting. It was also informative and to the point. You've earned my subscription
awesome video everide. They just get better and better! although I've never had a wr250 I don't think I'd ever swap from my Drz. Again awesome video! !
I'm a Clydesdale - so a 250 has never been entertained. But I also have never seriously thought about the DRZ. Being a motorcycle nut - it will be fun doing more research on the DRZ simply because... I can, and like reading about motorcycles. Good video!
Loved the comparison. I've wanted a WR250R for a long time now due to its fuel injection. I have the YZ450F and I find that most of the time it's too much power. My friend rides the YZ250F and I often prefer his bike to mine. It would be nice to see Yamaha come out with a WR350R or something like that so I can have my lightweight nimbleness with an easier time cruising on the highway. My 1200GS is always preferred though. Except in those places I watch you ride where my engine can't squeeze through.
Old thread but still a good one. DRZ400s is hard to beat, WR maybe more fun is slim cases but the DRZ just does more. No 6 gear but you can always gear it up for highway use. For a new rider maybe the WR, then move up to DRZ! I think you got it right! Let's ride all day, all roads, which bike you riding? DRZ400 baby! If bored just crack the throttle! Good bye WR!
Hey, just saying..so glad I found your channel..your content brought a light to an interest and has turned it into a full out goal go find adventure..thanks very much✊
Wich bike would better climb big uphills? Would the wrr be handicapped by its lack of power despite its weight? Thank you. I ride off-road only znd I'm hesitating between those two.
Soo.. I actually own both of these.. a 06 Drz400 pumped to a 440 44tooth sprocket.. And an 08 wr250 injected. With a 48 tooth sprocket... the wr is a great trail bike and great for whipping around 48tooth sprocket defiantly bumps up the torque. And the Drz is larger and a little harder to tame.
WOW! Thank you for the review. You reaffirmed my instinct of these two bikes by (biasly) choosing the DRZ. Also with a little clarity of the WR-"F" model needing more maintenance. My mind is made up to replace my 2008 modded out KLR for the DRZ (as you said I love how my KLR stays planted and I think the DRZ will continue that expectation). The ONLY thing that's still pulling me is the XR400 (which are hard to find).
I've had both and agree with all that you've said.I've owned a 2008 wr250x that was pre-owned and now my current bike which is a 2020 drz400sm and I can tell you the DRZ is a far better bike. I'm running a 16/41 for highway commute but i can still rip it up our local mountain, Blood Mountain. I threw knobbies on an extra set of SM wheels and this bike is now the ultimate machine. I love my DR. Ive had it for 6 months and it has 2100 miles already.
As always a great video well put together. The only complent I would say is I am sorry That I am only 5'2" and find these bikes just to big. I did like the review you did on Miss Stacies XT250, and think it would be nice to see some things from your channel for short riders. PS I do ride both dirt and street. Thanks Tyler
This was very helpful. right now I'm trying to figure out what dual sport I want. I have an FZ-07 for the street so street riding I could care less about its mostly so I don't have to buy truck to get to the trails and it's better for exploring if the bike is road legal. I was leaning towards the WR250R but now I'm seriously thinking about the DRZ 400.
That was excellent!! I purchased a 2006 R1200GS last year, and only recently began taking it off road (I've ridden for years, but not on dirt). I am enjoying the challenge, but at almost 60 years old, picking this beast up after a fall, or manhandling on a rough trail makes for a looong day. Long story short, I am considering a used dual-sport and the DRZ400 has been one of the contenders....your video just put it at the top of the list! I'm going to look at one in my town this afternoon =)
Never forget; even the smaller mods like bar risers and fatter footpegs can make a ton of diffference. I changed the gearing on my CRF 250 L, put some risers and aftermarket foopegs on and it went from shitty to gangsta in no time. Makes the braaaap even better.
It's cheap and bulletproof, and you can make it into whatever you want it to be. A true dual sport, very versatile. I like my CRF 250 L for what it is: my low cost entry into enduro riding, with reliable everything and good commuting ability. But it will never be a competition motocross bike with lights.
Great video! I've got a 2015 DRZ 400 S and love it. I've only done a 3x3 mod and changed the jets in the carb, but so far that's been plenty of up grade to get that baby going as fast as I wanted. Still would love to put a after market exhaust (for mainly sound reason) to give it a little more pop. I was looking to get a 250 for weight reasons, but now watching this and finding out it only has 25 lbs. less than my DR, I'm not going to waste the money. If your able to, you should do a test ride on the new Husqvarna 701! Now that would be an awesome bike to afford one day! Keep it up bud!
Really nice video! I felt like I was watching a big budget documentary or something : ) I really like the idea of the WR250R and it's red and green competitors, but to me they really are quintessential beginner bikes. Unless you are a very relaxed rider that doesn't care about that stuff, the lack of power and suspension really puts me off
Thanks very much yours is in the small group of video's i watched when choosing my first ADV bike and my first bike after a six year break from riding . Your comments about picking up your bike with a minor injury especially resonated . Thanks . Living in Oz i chose an early WR450f .
Excellent video as always bro!! I have ridden both the DRZ and the WR250R and I found the cornering, suspension, and ergonomics superior on the WR. The DRZ just feels like a heavy to me. I think they are both great bikes though for your audience and new riders. I prefer KTM cause I am primarily a weekend or weekday after work warrior, and take no shame in that. The maintenance really isn't bad. Keep the air filter clean, change the oil and filter every 500 miles. It weighs less than both the WR and DRZ, has way more power, and handles like a dirt bike should handle. Hmmmm, I should really make a video on my bike, lol!! Haha, anyway, my experience on the Widow was weird cause your handlebars seemed super short and I just couldn't get comfortable. It makes it hard to accurately judge a bike when not set up for ya. Again, excellent vid bro bro!
+The Slippery Wizard I went from a DR to a 450 exc and I don't understand people reluctance with the oil changes on the KTMs. Takes a socket set, a filter, half a quart of oil and 5 min. I haven't had any bikes EVER where an oil change was difficult at all I have have owned a Honda, Suzuki and KTMs. If you can remove and replace four or five bolts, you can change the oil in a KTM. Check valves before a long trip and no issues.
+Chain Driven Oil changes are definitely easy, and for round-the-town dirt riding they're not a big issue. I think in the case of taking a long adventure on these smaller displacement bikes, though, the less you have to change the oil the better, just for convenience sake for traveling.
Where's the rest of the multi-state trip? I see clips of it here and there in the videos. I really enjoy watching all the videos of the bikes bouncing around getting some air. Its my escape from work when I cant escape from work.
Great video again EVERIDE! Been watching awhile. I've had a DRZ400s for close to a year now. Made my decision largely due to this channel. Though other bikes interest me, like the 250's, I am happy with my DRZ. Took it out yesterday and got into some more challenging stuff. Almost scared myself as a beginner. The DRZ is a powerful bike. Used it for commuting mostly on 60mph highway and freeway. Did great. Glad I went with the 400. Could've got a KLR650 but I'm so glad I went with the lighter bike.... Anyway great vid, awesome channel. Wanted to encourage you to keep up the great work!
I appreciate this review! As a 5'9" chick, I went with the WR250R for the "can you pick it up alone, slightly injured on a rough trail" factor and I absolutely love it. I've made the typical modifications to it and never felt like it's lacked power, although you're right about having to move through the gears. Also, living in Colorado, I wanted to try fuel injection out, as I wasn't happy with my KLX300 jetted for altitude, it just never felt quite...right. If I end up west of Colorado, I think you've convinced me to go the DRZ route :) Thanks again for the vid!
someday I might get a smaller dualsport but everytime I think about spending the money .I work out how many tanks of gas I could fill up the KLR with that money and go explore ;)
+Wandering Beast Very true! And for a big strong dude like yourself, I think the KLR fits the bill perfectly. Us tiny-armed weenies need the lighter bikes :)
Guess I need to remove the Everide sticker off my WR! Seriously though, I don't remember you mentioning the stock 300 watt stator in the WR. Huge advantage for adv riding.
Great vid as always. I just bought my first "dual sport" bike and did my first green lane on it. It was exceptional! Abosultely loved it! Fantic E Casa 250! 28hp and 103kgs.
Everide, have you ever seriously compared the DR650 to other options? I keep expecting to see you try it. What gives? -A lot lighter than the KLR, ultra simple, reliable, with huge market support and upgrades available, and just a bit more weight than the DRZ.
+SLFYSH Indeed. A well set up DR (including suspension work) would be an awesome adventure bike. Really regret selling mine, and a new one is definitely in the cards.
I agree. When I was looking for a true dual sport I looked at DR650, 650XL and 690. My first DR was the most reliable bike I have ever owned. I went with the 690 for power but I am sure I would have loved the DR650 as well. And SOOO much cheaper.
+Chain Driven I have wanted to ride/review a DR650 for SOOOOO long! When it comes down to it, it's a matter of affordability and what my friends have. If I could afford it, I'd go out and get a used one just to review and then resell (if I didn't fall in love, which... you're right... I'm afraid I would fall in love with it :) For the time being, I don't know anybody who's close who has one that I could review... but trust me, when I can get my hands on one I'm gonna make a video!
eveRide ADV I have to agree. The DR series of bikes are amazing. I bought an 1986 DR in about 1990 and wound up selling it in 2015. I had that bike for 25 years because they are an amazing bike. Super reliable, bullet proof, pretty easy to work on (most of the time but there are a few annoying areas) and are super cheap to maintain. Even after 25 years, I didn't want to sell the bike but with four bike in the garage, my wife was parking in the driveway so one had to go. I eventually settled on keeping the wife and selling the DR!
Great video man, I watched the whole video. You weren’t bias, we can all appreciate that. I agree both are great, love the look of the WR, but I think I’m Still leaning towards the DRZ...
I had both, put 15k miles on each. Primary use is commuting to work and local dual sport rides but I have taken both on week long rides in Baja and the western U.S. I’m 6’ about 220 lbs and I would say both bikes got better after a respring and revalve. I had a local shop do both bikes with the same intended purpose. The Wr has the better suspension, the rougher the terain the better it handles. There isnt anyplace the suspension doesnt work. The DRZ, handles it up to a point then you are exceeding the capabilities of the suspension. On the road it works well. The DRZ has better options for a larger fuel capacity, up to 6.5 gallons, the WR has a 4.8 gallon option. The WR gets 10 MPG more so the fuel difference isnt so big. The WR felt cramped when I was loaded for camping, the DRZ has more room. In sand the WR rules, the DRZ is way more work. My shoulders are tired after a day of rough terrain on the DRZ. WR is a 6 speed and it cruises at So Cal freeway speeds while I would never try it on the DRZ. The WR had a programer and Pipe. For me, I stayed with the DRZ due to having more room and being field repairable which is huge in Baja or out in the desert. I can pull the carb if needed and there arent any sensors to go bad even though that almost never happens on yamahas. The DRZ desperately needs a 6th gear and a diet. The WR need another 200 CC unless you are happy shifting all day. The WR gave me confidence and made me a better dirt rider. They are both good bikes. If I was riding local trails and not hauling camping gear then it would be WR all the way.
Having owned both, the WR250R wins hands down for sheer fun factor. You can wring its neck all day and drive it 75-80mph all the way home. Ran it with moded suspension and 14/52 gears. Ate up single track and highway miles too. Looking forward to Yamahas next release on the platform. Hopefully a 300-350cc. My 300L Rally will keep me smiling until then.
Why did you switch to the 300L rally after all this praise for the Yamaha?
@@Venom3303 Maybe I can answer that for him
Who hasn't at one time, bought another bike in the hype and regretted it?
@@brockjohnson4116 I haven’t even had the 300 but I know the WR is better
This video is a masterpiece. Truly enjoyed every second of it.
Yeah, all his videos are masterpieces. He must be a professional. Love his videos.
Agreed 😊
DRZ will be like a 450F with little less HP with FCR carb en 3x3mod. and with a full exhaust it will rip good.
Agreed. One of the best comparison videos I have ever seen...for....anything.
Yamaha needs to make the wr450 a true 50 state legal dual sport. Or Honda with their 450.
I keep expecting it. I don't understand why they haven't. I'd be at the front of that line.
+SLFYSH And I would be standing on the corner turning tricks to be one of the first to get one!
+Bryce Piper You could say this for any manufacturer who has a 450. I would LOVE a KTM 450EXC with 25,000 mi valve checks and 3000 mi oil changes, but would it perform as well as my RFS, probably not.
+P Kurk I have a 450 exc that I ride more as a dual sport. I don't race but I do push it occasionally. The valves are easy to check but they haven't moved at in in over 5000 KM (roughly 3300 miles) and the oil is so easy to change I would do it on the side of the road if I wanted or needed too. I wouldn't be frightened to dual sport the exc. It does take a little more maintenance and costs a bit more money but I enjoy it more off road AND on road. My DR just didn't have enough power or a sixth gear and this bothered me anytime I was going more than 55 MPH.
Chain Driven I have a 450 exc as well and I love it. I guess my point was yes the maintenance is easy but it's still one more thing that's gotta get done that doesn't on some dual sports.
Love my WR250R, it's all about riding, and riding, and riding, with no worries. It's not a racing bike or a real dirt bike. In fact it's great on twisty mountain pavement. I've got an older 250 for the rough stuff when there's a chance of dropping it. The WR can do multi day touring anywhere except the rough stuff. It's super smooth and has good power at higher revs. If you need lots of power do not get a 250, but if you want a fun all around bike that needs very little maintenance, the WR250R is top of the class. For me, fun is making it home in one piece and never having to pickup my battered bike, yet enjoying curvy paved roads and some gnarly trails as well.
So if you enjoy thrashing your bike on really rough stuff, get an old beater DR400. If you want all around riding, go anywhere but go safely, get a WR250R. Heck get one of each.
+Jim Davis (Eastern Beaver) That's what I did.
+Hermit DaVlog You need to friggien bore that thing up! It drives me crazy! hahaha
+Jim Davis (Eastern Beaver) I like that idea!
+eveRide ADV Hey Everide, I'm selling my VStrom to purchase a much lighter Dualsport. These two are the front runners. However I have very short Hobbit legs. Bikes like The CRF250L and the KLX250S feel really comfortable but these two feel uncomfortably tall. Would you recommend lowering one of these or taking the power hit and going for the Honda/Kawasaki? I do want that extra power though... Hmm
+Jimmy W my wife and I both ride WRs. I'm 5'9'' she is 5'4" we both lowered the bikes enough to be very comfortable riding the tricky stuff. FYI shaving down the stock seat's foam was the easiest and most cost effective way to lower the bikes height ✌️ cheers
I rode both bikes. I found the DRZ400 to be very cumbersome to drive in the woods. It feels heavy and unmanageable. The suspension is obsolete. The WR250r felt much more at home in the woods to me. It was easy to throw around. I could ride faster and it didn't tire me out. Much better suspension on the WR as well.
+Bryan Murphy I think you're absolutely right. Most of my riding is done out here in the desert where the power is put to good use... I think that if the trails were tighter out here I'd prefer the handling of the WR a lot more.
off road = wr 250 ,stunt riding on road = drz sm 400 , to be frank you dont need much speed off road , light weight is the key
Beautiful shots, makes me miss colorado. I took my 100% bone stock wr250r up pikes peak last summer and did not feel any power loss. I never rode a drz400 but skipped it because I hate a carburetor, that's all we had a when I was a kid. The only other bike I considered was a KTM 690 enduro R but our only NE ohio KTM dealer is a mom and pops dealer where turn around time can be several weeks, just to get a new bike prepped was two weeks. I love my wr250r and just put 3k in mods, power commander + full FMF exhaust, 3 gal tank, LED, no toil air filter, removed AIS and servo, heated grips, hand-guards, new tires, heavy duty inner tubes and come other stuff.
Why dont you like the carburetor bikes?
HUSTLINISMYGAME I live in ohio and ride in the dead of winter.
the folks at Holeshot are amazing though!
cpittmx1 She got snippy with me when I asked to pay extra to get my bike faster. Also, pissed me of is they go on vacation in the winter and shut down their KTM shop.
the 690 is a beast of a bike but if youre riding heavy terrain for a long time it really tears your arms apart its so much fun though
Ive owned both, and nothing gets me more fired up than when people argue about which is better. My consensus (having owned one WR and 2 DRZ's now), is that the WR felt a little better offroad and the DRZ felt a little better on road. Now, I actually owned all supermotos, but i would do stupid gardensnake-esque stuff on them so both would get plenty of time offroad too. The WR is nice with its lower weight. 6spd, and EFI, but it simply doesnt feel as planted as the DRZ does on the road. Im WAYYYY more confident on the street on a DRZ than i am on the WR. WR just didnt feel like it gripped as well. Could have been tires too, but Im actually still a slightly bigger fan of the DRZ. If both were the same price, it would be a tossup for me, but the DRZ's coming in at about $1500 less, you can buy a lot of awesome parts with that money saved.
@@augustusappling139 its a good bike i hear and it has a 350? bore kit which is supposed to make it the best dual sport around just due to light weight, plenty of power, etc.
It's about time I found a well put together review, without all the extra, unnecessary, and meaningless (to the viewer) side-bar conversation. Well done and thanks!
I'm on a budget and I can only have 1 bike. The answer is the DRZ, hands down. Light enough to ride rough offroad and powerful enough for the highway, it's perfect.
Hated mine, couldnt sell it fast enough, ill handling pig of a bike
@Jeff Crouch Got rid of the horrible DRZ as quick as I could & bought a KTM500, something you can hit wash outs in with out the bike trying to kill you & with 6 gears just cruises along at 100k hwy speeds without revving its tits off
Jeff Crouch how do you find them for so cheaappp
I don't know about the "cheap used DRZ" thing. In my area, used ones are fairly rare, and they generally cost enough that I would prefer to buy new. Of course, it's pretty much the same for the WR. I've actually been looking at a new KLX250. It would be great to be able to do back to back real world demo rides on them rather than just a few miles on pavement. I guess that's not going to happen, and I already have a cruiser and a sportbike, so it might be some time before I pull the trigger on a dual sport. I'll be keeping my eyes open for deals, and am not ruling out a used DRZ.
I bought a new KLX250s with a little bit of modding I cut my dirt bike teeth with that in my 40s and kept at it until I got really power hungry and then upgraded to a KTM450EXC
This is got to be one one of the top 3 reviews/comparisons of the DRZ and the WR. Very honest and factual. Most UA-camrs try and sell rather than review. Thanks for the quality info.
Was going to go on a rant but you said it all.
Much too biased - clearly stated at beginning , but the many points in WR favour are glossed over or even questioned as not worth it.
My first bike was the 400S, so I should be biased, but I then picked up the WR250R 3 years later (now on plated Honda 250X)
The WR is MUCH MUCH better in dirt riding, esp tight single track - the 25Lb weigh difference is huge, even though downplayed here, and the suspension is absolutely superior, esp on obstacle ascending or descending. Both are similar on the road, with the DRZ faster out of the start, but the WR more fun flickable.
if truly 50/50 and not too technical, pick up an old DRZ that hasn't been used much - they are steals. If you really want to have more fun on the trails, go WR250.
Well said sir..
I had to pick between the two (400E or WR250R) and I chose the 400E for a few reasons.
My riding style is very relaxed so comfort was a real big deal for me. The DRZ is very much a "lazy man" bike.
The DRZ is more stable at highway speed, the bike's extra torque and more "forgiving" suspension makes easy work of trails or obstacles so less energy is spent on fighting the bike.
The DRZ's weight is quite high up, so if you hit a rock at a weird angle it's less likely to upset your balance and any deviation is easy to correct for.
When I ride with mates, their bikes are very "playful" (YZ120 and WR450F), they always look busy, carefully picking lines.
With the 400E I take a seat, point it "in the general direction" and request power from the engine.
Ive owned both. Drz400 did better on trails .
I think his end decision had a lot to do with the cost of bike, availability of parts and aftermarket. And obviously the power, a hopped up DRZ gets into the realm of mid 40hp. It can be difficult to even find a wr250r let alone at a good price. Youd have to be doing 70% dirt riding to really justify cost.
the difference in price could be spent dialling in the DRZ suspension, you won't lose the weight but I'd guess a DRZ set up for your weight and riding habits is going to be better than the WR stock off the showroom floor or in whatever condition the previous owner had; even with the inherit benefits of the modern design
Both great bikes, and im only watching because im having a hard time deciding which i like more. But simply due to availability and price ill probably wind up on the DRZ unless I sport a WRR at a killer price. The other thing is I already have a KDX which is far superior to both in off-road conditions and is a street registerable model but really no comfortable above about 50mph which is why i want a dualsport
He did specify his bias. He pretty much stated all your points in the video and mostly agreed, even. (the 25 lbs, suspension, flickable). He made a different point about a WR obstacle disadvantage, though. I have a different bias, a 28" inseam (also, while my desires say dirt bias, reality says 2 hour highway commute bias). I agree with Liam that the price difference (eh used vs the new ones, lol) makes a big difference in having the extra $ to address related mods.
wr250r 36.6 $6699 295 lbs
drz400 35.04 - 36.81 $6799 317.5-321.9 lbs
crf450l 37.8 😒 $10.4k 289 lbs 👀 I didn't realize so light, but excf territory.
crf250l 34.4 5.5k - $6.3k 317.5 - 346.1 lbs
xt250 31.9 $5199 291 lbs
tw200 31.1 $4599 278 lbs
dr200 33.3 $4,649 249 lbs
ktm 390 adv 855mm aka 33.6614 in $6199 lower ground clearance & 348 lbs 😒
At my height, dr200 range vs xt250 FI & HP vs just accept the offroad limitations of the 390.
I ride a wr and agree with most things you say here. the fuel injection is a closed loop system which means it has a maf sensor but no air/fuel or o2 sensor which is why the altitude affected it. if someone buys a wr with the intent of the typical mods (pipe, airbox, power commander) they will be very happy with the results. I have zero experience with a drz so I can't compare but both have reputations for reliability. the wr really does become twice the bike once it's uncorked. as always cool video man. thanks
Sooo good. Looking more pro every week. The only thing I take exception to is that drag race. I don't think that guy on the WR250R can use a clutch to save his life.
+Hermit DaVlog I thought he did pretty good! We'll have to get him out here again and do a rematch :)
+Hermit DaVlog but this time we'll do it between the WR250R and the WR250F :)
I love my wr250r, especially after I put a few more teeth on the rear sprocket....BIG DIFFERENCE!
the weird part about dual sports is it can be a yz250 with a plate or a gs1200 with knobbies. peoples opinions are different cuz they are comparing them to different bikes. i think single cylinder dual sports rule hands down
DRZ responds much better to mods as well, they can make quite a bit of power
I really enjoyed this video! I own a 1996 Suzuki DR350, which DOES have that 6th gear, and I love it! I've ridden the DRZ400, and enjoyed it. I will probably get one, eventually, but I will find it difficult to say goodbye to my wonderfully restored DR with it's cushy suspension and gear number 6. Great job!
I'll also note there is a wide ratio gear set (from ACT) you can buy for the DRZ. It leaves first alone, and widens the rest, supposedly makes it less buzzy on the road. I want to get one for my DRZ.
That said, have you ever ridden a bike with a Lectron carb? It seems pretty neat, you tune it once and don't need to rejet based on altitude because it auto-meters the fuel. It's a carb that acts like EFI.
Great review. Very well done. I like that your comparison was "real world" riding. Not all drag races and spec sheets. Fun thing about these bikes, is that there is no perfect one. Just the perfect one or ones for you......today. I'm still looking forward to the day Suzuki makes a true upgrade/replacement for the DR-Z.
+Bryan Gehrcke (Expedition Michigan) Oh man you and me both! DRZ 500? Yes please!!!
I'm looking at getting back into riding. I'll be 59 in a month, looking for a smaller dual sport after owning (and having to sell) an '05 KTM 950 ADV and an '07 KTM 200 XC-W. Moved from Illinois to Nevada. This video took my subconscious thoughts about both bikes and put them into words and onto video. It's a DRZ for me! Thank you for this video!
LanceKTM950 I’m 55 , hadn’t ridden dirt bikes since I was in my teens. Recently had an opportunity to ride a couple again and it rekindled my spirit! I’m looking at the DRZ400S, local commuter, dirt roads and two tracks , I think it’s a great choice !
Damn I am never jealous BUT I am of the awesome landscape you can ride. You must be the happiest dual sport driver. Sigh Germany is so far away...
Hi..I’m new to dual sport, and very new to the channel. Very enjoyable and relaxing I must say...a lot better then what’s on tv now a days. Just got me a Drz400sm and I love it!!! Learning to ride and getting to know her...give me congratulations on buying her. Keep safe, and tomorrow is not promised....let’s enjoy the day.
One of the best motorcycle chanels on UA-cam.
I did notice going from the Yamoto (200) to the dr350s.. the dr was still light enough to throw around but had that tractor factor that made it easier to get through the weird obstacles.. Great video though.. I believe a lot of what was talked about can be summed up to a lot of bikes based on size and fuel delivery.
Great video. I believe the guys at Suzuki could come out with a win if they put a 6th gear in and maybe bump the displacement up to 450, but keep it mellow so were not servicing it all the time. If they really wanted to put the icing on the cake they could offer it in fuel injection and better suspension.
+Piston Slap *Homer Simpson drooooooooooooooool
Yes, but Yamaha.
If Yamaha made a WR400R it souls cost $8000-$9000. Putting it almost is KTM range. Which would be suicidal to there sales. And only then could it match the DRZ's power. Still far less that a KTM's. The biggest plus for the DRZ is it can be greatly improved both in power and suspension without breaking the bank. You can pick up a older DRZ for + or - $2000. Then if need be, pumper carb, full exhaust, and suspension for around $1000. I'm not talking Ohlins Suspension, but new fork springs and rear spring greatly improve the DRZ for offroad. So for around $3000 you can have a extremely offroad worthy dualsport that weighs around 320lbs and pumps out near 40hp at the rear wheel. That's a WINNER in my book!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the vidio's. Keep them coming.
Don't know where you can get anything for $2k. 10 year old DRZs go for over $4k, 15 year old ones go for over $3k.
This is what a review is supposed to look like. Very helpful. Thanks.
Great job on the comparison. But in the end all that matters is as long as it will get you out on the trails. It doesn't have to be fast or handle great to have a good time.
+Hobbz-Garage Sooooo true! Which is why the XT225 is still one of my favorite bikes :)
Tyler your mix of info and cinematography is really impressive. It sets you apart. I've enjoyed growing with you on your channel.
Loved it! I love this time of year! Everyone is comparing bikes to find the undisputed champion of the dualsport world! Waiting to see more of you, CDS, and Hermit in action. Seriously could be a weekly show. Great video brother!
I'm right at 50/50 between these two bikes.
Thanks man, just bought my 2017 DR-Z400S today! ALL because of you and this video! You made me take the leap, and I truly thank you!
I got a 2015 brand new a few weeks ago. No interest in the wr
Couldn't put it better, if it's hard or nearly impossible to pick up with a (minor) injury, consider a different bike. Love the channel Tyler!
+William Weiler Thanks William!
Still a master piece! And relevant! Good Job EverRide! Ran into a fellow at the bike shop wondering which one to buy, I pointed him to this video... as it is very well done. I have owned several bikes, still love the DRZ400s. Grrr, Grr up we go. I told him unless your are doing mostly off road, if you buy the WR you'll always be look at the DRZ. If you buy the DRZ you won't be looking at the WR! I look up, 690 ect. One day they will build a light "twin!, 6 speed, 650 DRZ!" Till then DRZ400s it is.
That was the best comparison of any two bikes on the interets.
it's comical to hear the carb fans saying 'you can fix the carb' if it fail on the trail. Yah right, like all riders are above average bike mechanics and carrying all the tools. For the WR250R, I can carry an extra fuel pump solenoid (~ 2 oz) which cost $20 and repair a failed fuel pump with simple tools much faster than a pro can repair a failed carb, especially under harsh and dirty environment.
@ETB the drz400 carb practically falls out lmao.
while liking your comment, I disagree. I believe the point was that while riding in less westernized parts of the world you could fix the carb with help of alocal mechanic (read: gaskets) while Amazon might not deliver the efi supplies for weeks if at all.
Hey....Jack! Never had a carb fail me on the trail. They work great as long as they dont sit around for a year while the fuel gels up. Ask me how I know.
The issue will be dirt in carb or dirt in injector or pump , shouldnt be an issue at all with proper fuel filter tho. As for mechanics, the fuel pump, electrical system and injector itself can fail. If you ride way out on your own a carb wins that argument for me.
@@rocketj7449 regardless, FI never failed me either. If one is paranoid, one can bring along a spare solenoid, it's not expensive nor heavy. The drz400 is very dated, it need improvement in every dept, not just on FI. There is a reason why used drz400 is cheaper than a used wr250r
such a well thought out video. I hope to see you have 100k followers by years end. everide and hermit should make an dual sport event. people would gladly pay for a planned ride, and with your creativity I'm willing to bet it would bring in alot of riders and be a blast
+DGETHIS01 That would be a ton of fun! Hermit, you in?
hands down, best review if both bikes, and best honest comparison you've done yet! Tyler, you've outdone yourself.
+kaianine Thanks Josh! And again... here comes the obligatory "come out here and ride... like NOW!" comment :)
Tyler your your shot creativity and editing continue to increase in professionalism. I am impressed more by every video you put together. The aerial footage provides a dimension that elevates your skill set right to the top of the pack. Oh and the content us usually pretty good too... Keep it up brother!
+greedyg76 Thanks! :)
As the owner of both a 2014 WR250R and a 1999 WR400F dual sport, I can safely say that Yamaha will have a huge hit if they sold a WR450R. Just use the same, slightly updated chassis as the WR250R, and drop a purpose-built 400-450 in it with slightly less power than the 450f, but the amazing service intervals of the 250R.
I know it can be done, because my WR400f and WR250R receive nearly the same service intervals, and the engine on my 17 year old 400 has never been opened up except to check valves, which have never moved. That bike has to have at least 15,000 miles on it, wish I had an odometer to check though. It still runs like new.
If they can make a WR450R with the same or slightly more power than my nearly 2 decade old 400, I would jump right in and buy one. You don't need ANY more power for such a bike. As it is my WR400 has a lot more power than the DRZ.
Adam Alvarez Honda did it crf450l
@@kazadventures the crf450l is a race motor with race maintenance and all the power is in the high revs. it's not terrible, just not really what people want from a dual sport machine.
Ok I've never ridden either of these bikes but have drooled on both. I have the inbetweener a Suzuki DR350SE. While it's not the best bike on either surface it's been the BEST BIKE I"VE EVER OWNED! My DR350 loves whatever I throw at it. It doesn't like 85 mph all day long but neither do I. We pick the nastiest back roads we can find and try to get lost and me and Suzi just love it. I would give my left nut for an Africa Twin but I think honestly small displacement bikes really are more fun! Wring her for all she's worth!!! It's all about the BRRAAAPP!!!
+ThePr8head Ahhhh yeah! Some would argue that the DR350 is the best of both bikes!
I was sent over to your channel by CDS. He said you put a lot of work into your videos and it really does show! Excellent video! I personally own a DRZ and I gotta say, for me, I think I made the right choice!
Great comparison, well thought out points about both bikes. Light dual sport bikes are so useful and fun to ride. I would include the CRF250L and the mighty DR in your shopping list as well, or even a KLR as long as you recognize the limitations (more rider than anything). I think realistically you can leave out any bike with a 100 hour piston and valve replacement interval (KTM/Husqvarna), at least if you ride the longer rides I have done here in Idaho. Good Job EVERIDE!
Thank you so much. I have been racking my brain for a dual sport bike. I tried a DR 200s, a CRF 250L, and I wondered about a DR 400Z. I am getting back into bikes and the 200 and 250 felt small in power. As a heavier guy I had several questions in my mind on which way to go. And you showed me I am better off with a used good bike than a new OK bike.
Hi Tyler. Great comparison. I have a 2015 R1200GSA and love it. Goes great on the road and is awesome on gravel roads but.......way too heavy and expensive when you drop it - and you will. As a result I have been looking for a small displacement bike that I can ride from my garage to the trails/dirt roads and have settled on the WR250R. Your comparison was great as were others I've watched (there are some great vids from MAD TV and adventure OZ - which is something coming from me as I'm a kiwi and we have a somewhat competitive nature when it comes to our Australian cousins). I've had a DR650 and didn't want a bike as large although I found it a great bike too. When it came down to it I really wanted a 250 and the WR was the best I could find. Almost went with the DRZ but the more modern package was what I was looking for. I have a bike with 125 hp so 28 hp from the WR will be fine. With an air box mod and GYTR muffler it should have a little more power as well. Some would say just buy the DRZ if you're trying for more power than 28 hp but another factor was build quality which seemed better on the WR. Putting on long range fuel tank as well which in NZ is necessary for the longer back road trips. Just my thoughts. As you say they are both great bikes and in the long run you have to pick one. Keep up the good work.
muscle car vs rice burner. sums up all you need to know between the two. thanks for the advice! love this channel.
All those extra hours of editing show. Another awesome epic eveRide edit
The point you brought up about being able easily lift an ADV bike when off road is a key point, which many newer riders don't consider. I am a fairly experienced dirt rider (XR250R) who is female, 5'8" and 160 pounds. I am in the market for used ADV bike and although I think the KLR650 is a great bike I know I don't want to be wrestling with a nearly 500 pounds of bike, especially when tired or hurting.
Great video! great explanation! thanks for all the info! wr250 might be the bike for me🤦♂️ my first dual sport!, at 60 years.
after market dirt tires for wr250r are taller thus making 6th gear useless. I went down a tooth on front sprocket with the after market dirt tires and can easily cruise at 80 on highway in 6th. I adjusted rear to soft and works good.love your video.
This video led me to buying my bike! 2019 drz. I cant wait to ride with you one day
1. The sixth gear IS just for street fuel economy.
2. Gasp! The 250 lost a drag race to a bunch of 400’s? I’m shocked.
Otherwise, I’ve enjoyed the video so far.
Fantastic cinematography and visuals as usual eveRide, lovely to watch - can I put a vote in for the Honda CRF250L? Strikes me it's a similar sort of machine (although I know very little about dirt bikes) but I do love my CRF, it takes me anywhere, always starts, is frugal, lightweight, cheap to buy, road legal, reliable and fun......what more does a chap need??? Great video as ever - keep up the good work my friend!
+TheMissendenFlyer CRF250L is good on fuel and cheap to buy, that's about it. If you think the WR is underpowered then the CRF250L is a slug. It's heavier than a DR650 also.
+tosgem ...well it's great as a first bike for an off road "novice" (me) - add an FMF pipe and she really doesn't feel underpowered, I love mine ....just putting a vote in for another dual-sport manufacturer to balance things up a bit :0)
+TheMissendenFlyer I'll see if I can get my hands on the Honda and do a little test!
Now that was an awesome video! I couldn't agree more with your final thoughts as well. Having to wrap out the WR gets a bit old pretty fast. I like the fact that I'm now 3 years in with my DRZ and I still don't have the skills to ride it as fast as it will go. You just can't find a better bike to learn to ride on then the DRZ, as long as you fit on it.
+ColoradoDualSport I think the IT guy should do an FI conversion on his DRZ400. A 36 or 38mm throttle body (complete with injector $50-60 on ebay) from a Honda CBR250 would flow enough air and could be adapted to mount to the DRZ. Just need to up the fuel pump, add an O2 sensor and program a dedicated controller (this is where the IT part comes into play).
if you are a woods/tight trail rider get the wr if you're after the more wide open trails that can be rough get the good old drz
+bchant19 I agree with this 100%! I should have added something like this into the review. I bet the WR is faster in the tight stuff, actually.
yeah I would bet because it's lighter and more nimble and easier to keep the balance in the really technical stuff plus being softer on the power helps keep good traction in the loose stuff
These reviews just CAN NOT be beat! Thanks Tyler!!!
its a mystery why yamaha didnt make it a 300
2 stroke
Good video, great editing, music choice was solid. Fitted the content on screen, and wasn't distracting. It was also informative and to the point. You've earned my subscription
awesome video everide. They just get better and better!
although I've never had a wr250 I don't think I'd ever swap from my Drz.
Again awesome video! !
I'm a Clydesdale - so a 250 has never been entertained. But I also have never seriously thought about the DRZ.
Being a motorcycle nut - it will be fun doing more research on the DRZ simply because... I can, and like reading about motorcycles.
Good video!
Eve your videos are so high production! I really appreciate these, makes me wanna go ride.
@* Toxic Reviews * thanks for the correction 5 years later
Loved the comparison. I've wanted a WR250R for a long time now due to its fuel injection. I have the YZ450F and I find that most of the time it's too much power. My friend rides the YZ250F and I often prefer his bike to mine. It would be nice to see Yamaha come out with a WR350R or something like that so I can have my lightweight nimbleness with an easier time cruising on the highway. My 1200GS is always preferred though. Except in those places I watch you ride where my engine can't squeeze through.
You keep making me want to buy a DRZ. Love the videos. Keep up the good work.
Old thread but still a good one. DRZ400s is hard to beat, WR maybe more fun is slim cases but the DRZ just does more. No 6 gear but you can always gear it up for highway use. For a new rider maybe the WR, then move up to DRZ! I think you got it right! Let's ride all day, all roads, which bike you riding? DRZ400 baby! If bored just crack the throttle! Good bye WR!
Your production quality is awesome. Reminds me of +halfthrottle
+JohnJenin I would love to be even half as good as halfthrottle! He was my inspiration to start this stuff!
My 15 year old rides a Drz 400,and and we both love it.thanks for all your videos,love watching thwm
Hey, just saying..so glad I found your channel..your content brought a light to an interest and has turned it into a full out goal go find adventure..thanks very much✊
Wich bike would better climb big uphills? Would the wrr be handicapped by its lack of power despite its weight?
Thank you. I ride off-road only znd I'm hesitating between those two.
eveRide goodness!!!! Nice comparo buddy!!
+Steve Goyette Gracias Steve!
Soo.. I actually own both of these.. a 06 Drz400 pumped to a 440 44tooth sprocket.. And an 08 wr250 injected. With a 48 tooth sprocket... the wr is a great trail bike and great for whipping around 48tooth sprocket defiantly bumps up the torque. And the Drz is larger and a little harder to tame.
what? That was a review? Dang...Just thought it was your soothing vocal tones with some amazing cinemas all around you :)
WOW! Thank you for the review. You reaffirmed my instinct of these two bikes by (biasly) choosing the DRZ. Also with a little clarity of the WR-"F" model needing more maintenance. My mind is made up to replace my 2008 modded out KLR for the DRZ (as you said I love how my KLR stays planted and I think the DRZ will continue that expectation). The ONLY thing that's still pulling me is the XR400 (which are hard to find).
now you need to get a hold of a DR650 Tyler
+OtisENGINEuity Everything he said in this video is how I feel about my DR vs the two DRZ's I have ridden
+OtisENGINEuity Amen to that! Aaaaamen to that.
eveRide ADV Shawn Smoak loves his
I've had both and agree with all that you've said.I've owned a 2008 wr250x that was pre-owned and now my current bike which is a 2020 drz400sm and I can tell you the DRZ is a far better bike. I'm running a 16/41 for highway commute but i can still rip it up our local mountain, Blood Mountain. I threw knobbies on an extra set of SM wheels and this bike is now the ultimate machine. I love my DR. Ive had it for 6 months and it has 2100 miles already.
As always a great video well put together. The only complent I would say is I am sorry That I am only 5'2" and find these bikes just to big. I did like the review you did on Miss Stacies XT250, and think it would be nice to see some things from your channel for short riders. PS I do ride both dirt and street. Thanks Tyler
get an xr100 and make it street legal
This was very helpful. right now I'm trying to figure out what dual sport I want. I have an FZ-07 for the street so street riding I could care less about its mostly so I don't have to buy truck to get to the trails and it's better for exploring if the bike is road legal. I was leaning towards the WR250R but now I'm seriously thinking about the DRZ 400.
really too bad the wr isnt a 400
+jeff ferguson If Yamaha ever makes a larger WRR (hell, even a 350), I WILL sell a liver!
+minitstop You mean kidney, right? You can't live without your liver.
lol
Samual Iam Yeah kidney. Or part of a liver :p + being a hooker.
+Samual Iam he didnt say HIS liver
That was excellent!! I purchased a 2006 R1200GS last year, and only recently began taking it off road (I've ridden for years, but not on dirt). I am enjoying the challenge, but at almost 60 years old, picking this beast up after a fall, or manhandling on a rough trail makes for a looong day. Long story short, I am considering a used dual-sport and the DRZ400 has been one of the contenders....your video just put it at the top of the list! I'm going to look at one in my town this afternoon =)
Great review and I am going with the DRZ400 :)
Looked at a DRZ400 at the local dealer today. I liked it but still torn between it and the XR650L love the big red pig thumper.
Never forget; even the smaller mods like bar risers and fatter footpegs can make a ton of diffference. I changed the gearing on my CRF 250 L, put some risers and aftermarket foopegs on and it went from shitty to gangsta in no time. Makes the braaaap even better.
+thealvaco I put bar risers on my CRF250L and it does make a huge difference.
Braaap Josh Taylor
+thealvaco I wish I had more seat time on the CRF250L... as it stands I've only ridden one around the block, but liked it!
It's cheap and bulletproof, and you can make it into whatever you want it to be. A true dual sport, very versatile. I like my CRF 250 L for what it is: my low cost entry into enduro riding, with reliable everything and good commuting ability. But it will never be a competition motocross bike with lights.
Great video! I've got a 2015 DRZ 400 S and love it. I've only done a 3x3 mod and changed the jets in the carb, but so far that's been plenty of up grade to get that baby going as fast as I wanted. Still would love to put a after market exhaust (for mainly sound reason) to give it a little more pop. I was looking to get a 250 for weight reasons, but now watching this and finding out it only has 25 lbs. less than my DR, I'm not going to waste the money. If your able to, you should do a test ride on the new Husqvarna 701! Now that would be an awesome bike to afford one day! Keep it up bud!
Yamaha WR250R 💛
Really nice video! I felt like I was watching a big budget documentary or something : )
I really like the idea of the WR250R and it's red and green competitors, but to me they really are quintessential beginner bikes. Unless you are a very relaxed rider that doesn't care about that stuff, the lack of power and suspension really puts me off
great insight on this review. stay awesome Tyler!
Thanks very much yours is in the small group of video's i watched when choosing my first ADV bike and my first bike after a six year break from riding . Your comments about picking up your bike with a minor injury especially resonated . Thanks . Living in Oz i chose an early WR450f .
Excellent video as always bro!! I have ridden both the DRZ and the WR250R and I found the cornering, suspension, and ergonomics superior on the WR. The DRZ just feels like a heavy to me. I think they are both great bikes though for your audience and new riders. I prefer KTM cause I am primarily a weekend or weekday after work warrior, and take no shame in that. The maintenance really isn't bad. Keep the air filter clean, change the oil and filter every 500 miles. It weighs less than both the WR and DRZ, has way more power, and handles like a dirt bike should handle. Hmmmm, I should really make a video on my bike, lol!! Haha, anyway, my experience on the Widow was weird cause your handlebars seemed super short and I just couldn't get comfortable. It makes it hard to accurately judge a bike when not set up for ya. Again, excellent vid bro bro!
yep i went from a drz400 to a husaberg 570... can even push 1500km before a oil change if i wanted to.
yep i went from a drz400 to a husaberg 570... can even push 1500km before a oil change if i wanted to.
+The Slippery Wizard I went from a DR to a 450 exc and I don't understand people reluctance with the oil changes on the KTMs. Takes a socket set, a filter, half a quart of oil and 5 min. I haven't had any bikes EVER where an oil change was difficult at all I have have owned a Honda, Suzuki and KTMs. If you can remove and replace four or five bolts, you can change the oil in a KTM. Check valves before a long trip and no issues.
+Chain Driven Oil changes are definitely easy, and for round-the-town dirt riding they're not a big issue. I think in the case of taking a long adventure on these smaller displacement bikes, though, the less you have to change the oil the better, just for convenience sake for traveling.
@@eveRide I agree or valve checks as well, Less maintainence = more riding, or time for other stuff
Where's the rest of the multi-state trip? I see clips of it here and there in the videos. I really enjoy watching all the videos of the bikes bouncing around getting some air. Its my escape from work when I cant escape from work.
Great Video Again!!!! Love the dog analogy! Drz400 for Life...
Great video again EVERIDE! Been watching awhile. I've had a DRZ400s for close to a year now. Made my decision largely due to this channel. Though other bikes interest me, like the 250's, I am happy with my DRZ. Took it out yesterday and got into some more challenging stuff. Almost scared myself as a beginner. The DRZ is a powerful bike. Used it for commuting mostly on 60mph highway and freeway. Did great. Glad I went with the 400. Could've got a KLR650 but I'm so glad I went with the lighter bike.... Anyway great vid, awesome channel. Wanted to encourage you to keep up the great work!
+BikeFix100 Thanks so much!
I wanna visit the states and ride those trails.
I appreciate this review! As a 5'9" chick, I went with the WR250R for the "can you pick it up alone, slightly injured on a rough trail" factor and I absolutely love it. I've made the typical modifications to it and never felt like it's lacked power, although you're right about having to move through the gears. Also, living in Colorado, I wanted to try fuel injection out, as I wasn't happy with my KLX300 jetted for altitude, it just never felt quite...right. If I end up west of Colorado, I think you've convinced me to go the DRZ route :) Thanks again for the vid!
+kaili9 I think that you made the right choice in the WR!
someday I might get a smaller dualsport but everytime I think about spending the money .I work out how many tanks of gas I could fill up the KLR with that money and go explore ;)
+Wandering Beast Very true! And for a big strong dude like yourself, I think the KLR fits the bill perfectly. Us tiny-armed weenies need the lighter bikes :)
Guess I need to remove the Everide sticker off my WR! Seriously though, I don't remember you mentioning the stock 300 watt stator in the WR. Huge advantage for adv riding.
+David Walker Yes that is a BIG advantage of the WR.
Woohoo! DRZ POWER! Thanks for not making me look like a total noob :D
+The FLB Club Ha! It would be nearly impossible to make you look nooby :)
Great vid as always. I just bought my first "dual sport" bike and did my first green lane on it. It was exceptional! Abosultely loved it! Fantic E Casa 250! 28hp and 103kgs.
Everide, have you ever seriously compared the DR650 to other options? I keep expecting to see you try it. What gives? -A lot lighter than the KLR, ultra simple, reliable, with huge market support and upgrades available, and just a bit more weight than the DRZ.
+SLFYSH Maybe he's scared he likes the DR more than the DRZ ; )
+SLFYSH Indeed. A well set up DR (including suspension work) would be an awesome adventure bike. Really regret selling mine, and a new one is definitely in the cards.
I agree. When I was looking for a true dual sport I looked at DR650, 650XL and 690. My first DR was the most reliable bike I have ever owned. I went with the 690 for power but I am sure I would have loved the DR650 as well. And SOOO much cheaper.
+Chain Driven I have wanted to ride/review a DR650 for SOOOOO long! When it comes down to it, it's a matter of affordability and what my friends have. If I could afford it, I'd go out and get a used one just to review and then resell (if I didn't fall in love, which... you're right... I'm afraid I would fall in love with it :) For the time being, I don't know anybody who's close who has one that I could review... but trust me, when I can get my hands on one I'm gonna make a video!
eveRide ADV I have to agree. The DR series of bikes are amazing. I bought an 1986 DR in about 1990 and wound up selling it in 2015. I had that bike for 25 years because they are an amazing bike. Super reliable, bullet proof, pretty easy to work on (most of the time but there are a few annoying areas) and are super cheap to maintain. Even after 25 years, I didn't want to sell the bike but with four bike in the garage, my wife was parking in the driveway so one had to go. I eventually settled on keeping the wife and selling the DR!
Great video man, I watched the whole video. You weren’t bias, we can all appreciate that. I agree both are great, love the look of the WR, but I think I’m
Still leaning towards the DRZ...